Pregnancy and Post-partum Hormones

Rick and Greg close out their hormones series with one of the most personal episodes yet — a conversation with a guest who's family: Rick's daughter Lindsay, a nurse and soon-to-be nurse practitioner at BYU, who opens up about her own experience with postpartum depression and anxiety.

Lindsay shares what it was like to go through three different postpartum periods — mild anxiety she dismissed with her first baby, a severe depressive episode after her second, and panic attacks she'd never experienced before with her third — and why recognizing the symptoms in herself was far harder than recognizing them in the patients she cares for every day as a nurse.

Rick and Greg unpack the biology behind it: in the hours and days after delivery, estrogen and progesterone fall off a cliff, making the postpartum period the single most dramatic hormonal shift in human biology. While most women experience a short-lived case of the "baby blues," 15–20% go on to experience real postpartum depression — serious, often underdiagnosed, and treatable.

The conversation also covers the stigma around antidepressants, what changed when Lindsay found a provider who actually took the time to listen, the role of a strong support system, and how breastfeeding's hormonal effects can extend the postpartum recovery window to as long as 18 months.

A candid, important listen for anyone who is pregnant, postpartum, or supporting someone who is — and a reminder that struggling after childbirth isn't a personal failure, it's biology.

Rick and Greg are medical providers, but not your medical provider. Please consult your own provider regarding pregnancy, postpartum care, or any medication or treatment decisions.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Welcome everyone. Hey. We are back. We're back. Rick Sorensen, Greg Camp. This is Healthier Ever After. And we are here continuing our our chats. Today we're continuing our hormonal hormonal journey. Yeah, we have been, we have been for several weeks now talking about hormones. We talked about some male hormones and testosterone and then uh we've had like three weeks we've been talking about female hormones and kind of the history of that and things. And and uh I think tonight we're we're gonna talk uh a little bit about um sort of the the niche that women hold uh during childbirth and postpartum periods and how that can affect your health overall and and your weight loss goals and all those kind of things. Uh so we're actually kind of excited about that. We have another guest with us before we get started. Remember, this is for educational and informational purposes only, and uh any uh weight loss regimen, medication, exercise program, particularly if you are or have recently been pregnant. Uh it's it very important to uh discuss that with your own medical provider. Um and we'll go from there. Yeah. Uh so tonight we have with us Lindsay Ellsworth. Um we we both know Lindsay. Lindsay's been a nurse for for several years. Uh, we've worked with her, and um uh she she's kind of become passionate about sort of the hormone scene. Uh and we'll maybe talk to her a little bit about how how that occurred. I I I've known Lindsay for quite a while, many of many years of her whole life. Um and uh anyway, so welcome, Lindsay. We're glad to have you here. She is she is uh so like I said, been a nurse for several years, and she has just entered her last year of nurse practitioner school at uh Brigham Young University. And actually, what I've seen with that, I am like nothing but impressed with that program. Yeah, I've heard it's been really one of the top-tier programs in the country. Yeah, so tell us a little bit about that, your experience there and uh a nurse practitioner, and then we'll talk about how you how you got this uh motivation to help women with their um pregnancy-related hormone things.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here. Um, I think well, I I love the BYU program. It's been really great for me, and I'm grateful to be studying there. And I think a big motivation for me to go back to nurse practitioner school, I didn't think it was in the cards until I had older children, but um my youngest is two right now, and I went back to school when he was about 18 months. Um and a big reason for that was because of the postpartum pregnant um hormonal experience that I had. And I developed a big passion for um postpartum mental health and just kind of hormonal health in general for women. Um that's a big motivating factor for me to my degree.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

So so this might be a little this might be a little um personal to just chat about with our like it's gotta be millions of viewers, or 12 or nine. 12. Um six of those are in like my country that doesn't right. Um hey, speaking of that, if if you know anybody, send a link and subscribe, and uh we're gonna keep putting this information out. It's uh it's we we really enjoy doing it. Uh so so Lindsay, with at risk of being a little too uh personal, you you talked about kind of this postpartum mental health. Um, I I I've kind of seen you through this postpartum period. You've got three kids, right? Three kids now, and and um you didn't have an easy road postpartum. I people say postpartum depression, I might refer to it as postpartum insanity uh or or something a little more like that. I mean, it it was a big deal for you.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Yeah. Uh you want me to talk about it?

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Yeah, yeah, like like like let us know what. I mean, that's kind of what it sounds like kind of motivated you to go back to more school and and try and help people um because of your experience.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

Yeah, so my first, she's almost eight. And I remember, you know, I'm a nurse, so I take care of people with mental health issues and all sorts of issues, and you never think it's gonna be you until it is you. But um, with my first, I just experienced some mild anxiety, but didn't do anything. And my first two are about 22 months apart, so I didn't feel like my body had enough time to recover. And after that hormonal drop-off, after my second child was born, I experienced um some severe postpartum depression. Um and honestly, I didn't recognize it when it's in yourself. Like you don't, I could recognize it in someone else. There's lack of motivation, there's um, you know, they're not functioning as normal. And I feel like I'm a pretty functional depressed person, but inside I was um not well. I didn't want to be there and I couldn't connect as well with uh my newborn, and that was really difficult. Um and I got help during that period, and then with my third, I was gearing up for war with the postpartum depression. I was I was right like I I waited four years because I didn't think I I was capable of doing it again and got pregnant um on accident or as a blessing, I guess you could say. I think God knew that I need a little push, you know, um, because I wasn't gonna commit, but um, so grateful to have my third baby. But um, I was gearing up for the postpartum depression and then I had him and I experienced anxiety like I had never felt before and panic attacks, and I had never experienced that in my whole life. And I just remember one night in particular that Jordan, my husband, was putting the kids to bed, and I had retreated to my closet because I didn't want to be here, and I just remember um sitting in my closet crying, and he comes in after he puts the kids to bed and he's like, What's wrong? And I just I didn't want to be here, and that was a really, really scary feeling. Um and I don't think you think it's gonna happen to you.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Like I never was gonna say that like you, like you mentioned, you you work with people, you know, you see people in that situation, and the thing, and you you don't think that's gonna be you, you're like, wow, something has happened to them or they've had something in their life and and that I can't relate to really, but there you were.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

And for for people that that don't know you, obviously, um, I mean, you know, no one else normal, chill, you know, person that like you're like, yeah, if you like were to guess and draw out of a hat of 50 people that you know, like you'd probably be number 49 or 50 of someone that would be in that state because you're just so rational and you know, I chill, I would use the word chill, um, and just easy going and logical. And so it's it's um it just kind of shows that impact of of knowing that it doesn't really matter your personality or your demeanor. Like once you kind of get spiraling, um, you know, it's it's it's one of those things where it's like hormonal and and all the other things that are in at play here. Um, it's just one of those things that you just you don't you can't expect it. And as someone that is co constantly obviously helping people in their time of need as a nurse and the emergency department, um now you're in this situation and it's like you'd think that it you having seen it a million times, you'd be able to just pull yourself out of it. Yeah. But um I was sorry, and I that was more of a statement than a than a question, but my question would be actually listening to you, and I've talked to you a little bit about this, of course, um offline, but is um uh about after your second child, about how long would you say? Was it days, was it weeks, when you started feeling like something was off?

SPEAKER_02 8:22

You know, that's a great question. I I don't think I really realized for a while. Like when I look back on that time, it feels like a blur. And now looking back, I totally recognize yeah, I was depressed. But I think it took me at least a month to six weeks to realize that something was wrong. And more so than me actually realizing something was wrong with me was my family, my husband recognizing that something was off. Yeah. Um, and I think again, like you don't imagine it happening to you, and it's harder to recognize when it's you. And you just as a woman, too, like I you spiral and you're like, well, I am not feeling how I should postpartum. Like I'm not loving this as much as I should. Like, I'm not loving um being with my baby as much as I should. And I think that's really hard because it leads to this catastrophic way of thinking of, well, I'm a bad mom or I'm not doing enough.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

So so you have like this expectation, like, oh, I'm I'm having a baby and I should love it, and I should be it should be joyful, and and I'm hearing you say like just the feelings that you that this hormone shift has, um, and you don't feel that the that that expectation isn't met, that seems seems to compound the feelings of inadequacy or failure or whatever that might be. Is that what I hear you say?

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Yeah, 100%. Like you I felt completely inadequate, and you feel horrible for feeling the way you do. Like I had a husband who has a stable job, I had beautiful, healthy children, like my I had a normal birth, like that went well, and I, you know, you can't I felt honestly stupid for and ungrateful for not feeling gratitude and happiness, and um, you know, but when when you're dealing with a clinical depression, like it it's hard to to see reality.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Yeah. What on your it sounds like to even add to uh Rick's comment, and um it's sounds like even having gone through it once, it sounds like on the third um on the third child, um, it sounds like possibly some of that anxiety was also a compounding effect. You were almost probably so nervous about how you were gonna feel afterwards that now you're in this sure, the postpartum depressive depressive stage, but then also just so anxious about that that it sounds like the third one almost compounded from the second one just from those feelings of um of worrying about having that happen again.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

Yeah, 100%. I was terrified to be depressed again, and we were preparing, and I I actually stayed on my antidepressant throughout my pregnancy um because I was nervous about being depressed, and little did I know that I would experience crippling anxiety this time. Um you know, you can't win that.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Yeah, wow. So so they we appreciate you sharing that. Um and our hope is that that I mean, you know, we've never been through that specific thing, but but that's our hope is that by you sharing that um feeling, it it kind of emphasizes what we're talking about. Um, the the postpartum period, um, I'm just I've got a little summary here. It says it is the most dramatic hormonal drop in a woman's life, you know, within um in the hours and days after delivery, your estrogen and progesterone just like fall off a cliff. And it's the most rapid and dramatic um hormonal shifts possible in human biology. Yeah, that's how that's described. So so this is not a it's not like a just a oh you are sad. It's a it's a real thing that's driven by a a the absolute most dramatic shift in hormones that your the human body ever experiences. And and it's not like most hormonal shifts is that happen over a period of time, right? This is rapid rapid, yeah. And so and so you know, people talk about the baby blues, and and a lot of times this is a two-week thing, you know, one or two-week thing. Yeah, uh, but but about 15 to 20 percent of women um have hormonal crash and it contributes to real postpartum depression that is is serious but treatable and and and really I think underdiagnosed and underappreciated. And so we really appreciate you coming in and and just helping people be aware that's a real thing. And so what do we do about that then? Uh, I guess is one of our next questions. So that's kind of been that's gonna be your maybe your future is what I'm hearing you say.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Yeah, I would love to help other women with this. And I wish sometimes that I could go hug that that girl, I'd call her a girl just a couple years ago that was crying in the closet. Um, I wish I could go back and give her a big hug and say it's gonna get better, and just to give yourself some grace. Yeah, it takes time, but there are lots of things that can help and will help. And I think just being aware of it, and I'm grateful we're having this conversation because a lot of women just expect to bounce back and be normal, and how come she's happy with her baby, but I'm not? And I think giving yourself a lot of grace through that is really important.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Can I can I pose then maybe that same question in a different way? If someone is watching this, that's just maybe they're not going through this yet, or maybe they are someone that happens to come across this that um is actually kind of in this place right now and they don't really know what's going on. So that girl that you were that like you're like, I should have been aware, maybe I should have known, and I just didn't because it just didn't come up on the radar. Good support system in place, all the things, and and yet here you are uh having these feelings. What what would you advise yourself at that time if you could go back in time or someone that's listening now, what would you advise like the first step? Um, I mean, is it obviously seeking help, but like how how would you advise to go about that?

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Yeah, that's a really great question. I think um, like you said, you if they have a good support system, I think that's one of the most vital things is having someone who cares about you and who's gonna push you to get the help that you need and ensure that you're getting the help you need. Because when you are depressed, as you guys know, it's hard to um get the motivation to get help. Like you feel like it's hopeless and there's no point in getting help.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

It's a vicious cycle.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Yeah, it is. So I think one thing that's really important is getting um having a great support system. And number two, I think um anyone who is pregnant postpartum, just having things in place, like I'm going to go on a walk, like things that you know are gonna help your mental health, like whether it's outside or fresh air or a food you like or something else. And I also I don't know, and I'm not a huge fan of affirmations, but I just wish that someone I wish I would have written myself a letter that maybe I could have read every single day, being like, this will get better. There is help. Um, you know, antidepressants were a big help to me. I think, and therapy, I think there's lots of little things, but I think the biggest thing that I would say is make sure you have a support system that, hey, if these things happen to me or if you notice the XYZ in me after the baby, then like help me get help.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

So so you're you're even talking about like this is part of like making preparations beforehand uh for when this occurs.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

Yeah, a hundred percent. Like if I if it's a big if, but if I do have another baby, um, I think my husband is is prepared and my close family members are with every postpartum period, it's gotten a little bit worse in different ways. So I think um just preparing beforehand too is is really helpful.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Well, I think I think what um, and something that just came to mind while you're talking about that. I mean, I was just actually thinking back on me and my wife kind of preparing for our kids to come into the world. And with each one, of course, it was so different. And um we we went and got a crib and we went and got furniture and we went and got all the newborn baby stuff. And I think it sounds like what should also be on that checklist is really just like what's what's the mom stuff that needs to be taken care of, like making sure that um, like you said, like you have those things in place already to where if you legitimately, if someone's like, hey, if you start seeing signs of this, or if I start saying things like this, like maybe that needs to be more so a focus on uh preparing women, like maybe even while they're pregnant, to say, hey, you went and got all this stuff for the baby, but um someone's gonna be there with the baby 24-7, and we need to make sure that the caretaker of this child is is gonna be ready to deal with whatever.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Yeah, a hundred percent. I feel like uh for a lot of women, myself included, it's hard to it feels selfish to have me time or to have preparations for yourself, but I think it's so, so important. And every baby, I've gotten a little bit more passionate about how important it is to take care of mom as well as baby, because baby, the best thing you can do for baby is be well, is to be mentally well and physically well.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Yeah. No, I I think I think that's a huge thing. And so did you initially um, I know you know a ton of medical people, so I don't I don't know. Did you initially just reach out to your OBGYN or who did you initially reach out to for medical help?

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Yeah, that's a great question. With my first baby, I had the little bit of anxiety, and I remember going to my OBGYN and telling them I was experienced a little anxiety, and I just remember he wrote me a script and was like, here, fill this. And I I I wanted more. I wanted someone to have a conversation with me to tell me that this, that I wasn't crazy, that I what I was experiencing was normal. And I ended up not filling that prescription because of back then I had this stigma of like, oh, well, I don't need antidepressants, I don't need anti-medications. Um, you know, that that that's like a bad thing, right? It's gonna, it looks down upon me if I need those types of medications. But when my second came around, um, the first person I reached out to was obviously my support system. And then I went to therapy first, actually. And then as far as medical, I went to my OBGYN, but then I found a primary care provider that truly cares about me. So I really feel like my OBGYN, you know, they see this all the time. And not that I didn't love him, I do love him, but I feel like sometimes they just write a prescription because, you know, you have your baby and then you get your your six weeks checkup and then you go back in a year and like they see you in a year, it's not their focus. But I really feel like it was my primary care provider who sat down with me for an entire hour and there was a lot of tears during that session. But he he listened to me and he um focused more on not just the prescription, which I did need. It was part of the plan that I needed, but he also focused on more of like what else can we be doing to help with this?

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Right. So it sounds like your kind of goal and end goal in mind is to just basically become that resource eventually for women that are going through this and have that not only that good uh experience, get the anecdotal experience in clinic, and then combine that with obviously your education, which is just an awesome. I mean, a lot of people go into medicine into things that they're interested in because that's what they become passionate about. And it sounds like you just want to be, like you said, the OBGYN, they see this, you know, 40 times a day. And a lot of times, um because a lot of cases are very mild, it's so easy for them to just write your prescription for an antidepressant and and they're on to the next patient. So uh it sounds like what really helped you is that provider that would actually take a little extra time to sit down and talk with you about it.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Yeah, 100%. It made all the difference, and that's the type of provider I want to be, is the one who um will sit with the patient and help them realize that they're not crazy. Because, like you said in the beginning, I feel like it is a little bit of postpartum insanity. Like that's how you feel, you feel crazy for even feeling that way. Like I look back and I'm like, how could I ever have felt that way? But it happens and it's real and it's hard. And for someone to sit down and listen with you and come up with a plan with you, it made all the difference.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

That's amazing. Yeah. So so um, you know, we we we talk about, I mean, we you know, we have our little disclaimer that we talk about, you know, talk to your medical provider, and and we really mean that. But this is this is interesting. So I I um I know the medical, the primary care provider you're talking about. Um, shout out to Tom Jones.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Oh, is it Tom? Okay, I didn't know who it was. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Yeah, you know Tom. Yeah, I know Tom. Yep, and yeah, big shout out to Tom Jones because because you know, I I mean I deal with a lot of providers, and I would put him top of the list of of anyone I've ever known as far as as far as understanding and and really diving in and knowing his patients and their lives and and pathology. And you know, this is a guy who years ago, like years ago, um middle of the night from the emergency department working there, I could call Tom Jones and say, Hey, I've got, you know, Lenora, your patient. 83-year-old lady in the ER, and he says, Oh, well, what's her potassium? I mean, he knows that she always has low potassium. Or so and she'll be say something, he'll say something like when how's her his husband? He just had surgery on his phone. He knows he knows everything about people, and and really took the time to get to know Lindsay. I remember hearing about this, and and and really, yeah, kudos to him. And and you know, this isn't to diss on anybody else in the profession, but but really I think that's an important thing. And I really applaud you for uh Lindsay for kind of wanting to model that and be that that provider, because that seems to be one of the biggest steps is just taking the time to understand and to listen and to validate and to come up with a good plan to come up with that. And anyway, yeah, so kudos to him and anyone else who really takes the time to understand your patients.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Yeah, I think really you could do um uh a really uh um uh uh uh be a provider for even before that happens and help people maybe prepare prepare for that transition and then also into their transition. I mean, it's I think sometimes we get in the mode that we just we're not gonna prepare for you know for the storm that hasn't happened yet. But once the storm's here, I mean, and because you know, like you said, it was a high percentage, 15 to 20 percent. 20 percent that's not a small, I mean, in medical terms, that's not a small amount of people affected. And and um, and it has a trickle effect, right? These, you know, your kids and your family, and not everyone is as lucky as you, Lindsay, to have um this solid support system, even with all that in in place, um, it was still an absolute struggle for you. So, I mean, for someone that doesn't have that great support system, imagine having a provider that can help you with the pre and the post if necessary. I I think it's uh uh just an underserved area, really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Yeah, I think that's so true. And just one thing I wanted to add too is I just I hope all women know that you know they are gonna experience this huge hormonal shift. And it's okay to not be okay, but it will get better. And also, like if you're breastfeeding, like it takes a long time to regulate those hormones. Like if I I breastfed my kids almost all of them for a whole year, and then up to six months after that, I didn't feel normal, as you could say. But um, you know, it's it's a long process, like that would be 18 months after you have the baby, you start feeling hormonally regular again.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Yeah, yeah, I know. Man, breastfeeding is is great, and but you're right, the the you know, breastfeeding release triggers a sustained release of prolactin, and that that not only produces milk, but it also suppresses estrogen. So you're you're it's like doing the reverse of home hormone therapy, you're causing yourself to be in a like a pre-menopausal menopausal artificial state for yeah, the this extended period of time, 18, you know, 12, 18 months. Um and and again, that it's a real thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Yeah, yeah, it's uh that's that's that's really good. And it's it's important to know. So as far as um how do I want uh you know it's it's a it's a touchy subject. Um, as far as uh therapy and all that goes, was there any specific techniques that they were like, hey, like these are the things that are gonna kind of help you deal with this? Were there anything like like you said, you talking about walking or going outside? Was there anything specific that you found with therapy that was like, hey, these these these are the things that they kind of instructed me to do that were really helpful?

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Yeah, that's a good question. I feel like mostly in therapy was about learning to give myself grace, which I'm really bad at. I'm really hard on myself. Like I'm type A. Thanks, dad. Um, I I am very driven. And so when I'm not functioning to where I think I should be functioning at, I'm hard on myself. I feel like a failure. I feel like I'm not doing enough. I feel like a bad mom. I feel like a bad wife, all of the things. And so I think a huge part of my therapy journey was helping me have grace on myself. And that included like things like writing letters to myself and um saying things that if it were my friend, what would I say to my friend? And then saying that same thing to me because you would say something to a friend, like you would never say these awful things that I'm saying to myself to a friend, but you do say them to yourself.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Yeah. What your conversation um with yourself in regards to being on antidepressants. So it sounds like you had what I think as a general society, we have this kind of um bad taste in our mouth for like antidepressants and things like that. It sounds like eventually that was something that at least was one tool that kind of helped you uh get through this. So, can you kind of talk about your mindset before and maybe what it is now and and what your perception on that is?

SPEAKER_02 26:54

Yeah, I think my mindset before was if you're on an antidepressant, there's something wrong with you, which I didn't feel that way about someone else. Like, you know, my siblings have been on antidepressants. I didn't think there was like necessarily, I mean, there are things wrong with them, but not in that way, not for taking antidepressants. Um, I didn't think that about other people, but when it comes to yourself, for some reason there's this, there's this stigma, it's like, oh, well, there's something wrong with me if I have to take an antidepressant.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

I failed at something and I couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

I'm not good enough, right? But I feel like um once I found the antidepressant, and that's the thing with antidepressants and meds like that, is you gotta find what's right for you. There's a lot of different options, there's a lot of side effects, and everybody's different, and you've got to find out what works best for you. So once I found one that helped me feel better, I my mentality changed. I'm like, why do I feel ashamed for taking a tiny pill if it's gonna help me be what I want to be, feel the way that I want to feel about myself. Um, and so now, like I'm two years and almost a half postpartum of my third child, and I still take a 10 milligram Prozac every day. I a couple months ago, I was like, oh, I don't think I need this anymore. I'll go off of it. And you know what? I didn't feel as good on it. So I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna go back to my 10 milligram Prozac every day, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. And I think it's a great tool.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

That's that's awesome. I I I really think about this in terms of uh when I'm talking to patients about it, um, because I don't push it. I just I mean I just want people to have the tools they need to feel good, and you know, it's interesting as as you know, patients and really as providers is you know, it's it's if someone's potassium is low, we recommend potassium. If someone's magnesium's low, we give them magnesium. If someone has any other abnormality that we can see on a lab sheet, we recommend replacing that and and treating correcting that. And then when it comes to the mental health stuff, because we don't have a lab value in front of us that necessarily says, hey, your dopamine or your serotonin levels are off, or or once again in your or we can measure your anxiety level or your depression.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Is that a number that we have?

SPEAKER_01 29:09

I just feel like you're you're you're accounting for something that your body currently is not, you know, maybe long term or maybe short term is not is not there. It's not in enough of an abundance for you to be able to function properly. So it's I don't view it any different than it's a tool to be able to correct correct an abnormality within the body, just like we would like once again correct your electrolytes if they were off. And so I really feel like having that conversation with patients because most patients, including yourself, I think all of us, um, it's okay for patients. We understand the benefits, we've seen all the studies, um, but for ourselves, we're just so hard on ourselves and just unwilling um to accept that we would maybe need a little bit of help. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Yeah.

unknown 29:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

I think that's awesome. So you mentioned uh you got your type A personality from but you say you got that from your dad?

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Yeah, okay. Well, spoiler alert, everyone, that's me. I'm Lindsay's dad. We're so glad to have her with us today. Or when I say I've known her for many years of her life, it's been all of the years. Every one of them, every single one. So uh we're we're really grateful to have you here. And and and honestly uh are so grateful for your not only experience and personalizing that experience, but for your uh expertise. I mean, we've seen you kind of delve into this and and really um come up with uh you know solutions that can be shared and helped. And we we look forward to you, you know, being able to do that for for women all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

I think being having that personal personalized side of medicine is like really where like good medicine um meets good providers and and it's just the the two interwoven is is really what a lot of patients, especially nowadays, are looking for. No one's wanting that three-minute visit in a clinic not to be heard or just to be thrown on a uh antidepressant. Like, I think if you just get an explanation and someone can talk to you about, hey, this is why we're gonna do this, I think that's it sounds like what Dr. Jones did. And um, rather than just giving you the medication, there's actually some thought and and um discussion behind it. And I think that that um that it's I think it's awesome as hard as it has been to go through this experience. I think it's gonna be awesome how many patients you're able to help by being able to relate to that and then being able to really like take the time with them and and and dive into this with them.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Yeah, obviously I wouldn't choose to go through what I did again, like it was horrendous, but I am honestly so grateful that um I can relate to other people and have empathy um for family and for friends and for future patients um in this area.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Yeah, I'm grateful. Well, we appreciate you being here. Um, we're actually gonna have Lindsay back for another episode. Yeah, uh, talk a little bit more about the specific uh weight loss during and after pregnancy. Uh, but we appreciate you being here and we will talk again. Uh for now, this is Healthier Ever After, and um we'll see you.