The Dangerous Line Between Ambition and Losing Yourself

We all came from the same place. Our parents came here with nothing… just a dream and a plan to survive. So how did we go from chasing safety to chasing status? And why does it feel like no matter how much we get, it's never enough?

This episode came from real conversations we had this week with people in our community. We break down what happens when money stops being a tool and starts becoming your identity. We talk about the insecurity underneath the ambition, why people confuse power with respect, and what it actually looks like to be content when everything around you says you should want more.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why the jump from survival to greed happens so fast in our community — and the one thing most people never notice until it's too late
• The real reason some people with everything still feel empty inside — and what they're actually chasing underneath the money
• How to check yourself before ambition crosses the line into something that costs you the people and the peace that matter most

Chapters:

00:00 – Welcome Back and What Sparked This Episode 

01:09 – From Farmers to Fortune Chasers 

3:09 – Why Greed Feels Like a Disease 04:54 – It Started With Survival, Then Became Something Else 

07:04 – The Psychology Experiment That Proves How Fast Power Corrupts 

09:59 – When You Lose Sight of Who You Are 

11:00 – Insecurity Is the Root of It All 13:47 – Chasing the Feeling vs. Having the Thing 

15:36 – When Ambition Crosses the Line 

18:13 – The Types of Rich People Nobody Talks About 

22:25 – What Keeps You Grounded When Money Shows Up 

29:34 – Gratitude as the Antidote to Greed 

37:55 – Community Over Competition 

47:52 – Final Message: Choose Your Master

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey guys, welcome back to In Session with Nat and Ann. It's been a crazy week. Yes, it has. I'm exhausted. I'm tired. Mentally drained. Mentally drained. I was telling Nat today, I genuinely feel like a zombie. So I want to apologize in advance if my energy isn't giving. You and me both sis. I'm trying, I'm being real, I'm being honest here. I'm trying to be raw. And you might not get the best version of Angie today, but she'll be real and honest. And so every version of prep.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Angie is great. Pinks not.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

I love you. Um, so today, with all the craziness that this week's been, um, brought up some really great conversations. Oh, yeah. Great conversations. All those house parties, we were having good, good combos and a lot of like so many people interested in the podcast, which is so sweet. Yeah, and like wanting to suggest like more topics and like ideas. And I was just like so grateful for that. So, like a recurring theme, I think I kept hearing, especially through like one of the nights, was um this idea of where and how did we get to a place in our community and our culture where we are driven by power and greed and wanting more and just not being content, but not just that, I think also like the this idea of having more means you're better than everyone and showing love to each other, you know? So it's like we talked a lot about that, you know. So one of the things, one of the questions that was brought up is like, how do you like why do we think we got to this place? Why, how, how and why? We came from a place in Surya that we were all farmers, we were all falahim, all of us, and we just wanted to, well, not us, our parents wanted to come and provide for us and create a better reality for us to live in.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Yeah, the land of opportunity. Land of opportunity. Yeah, we had a dream, American dream for it.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

And it was that, I think, like back in the day. And then it's gotten to a place now where it's like everyone seems like they just need more and more. And it's like your power means that you're above everyone. You have authority if you have money. Authority, yes. So I don't know. I really want to bring that up today as a topic and see like what we think about that.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Man, this topic has always been something I've been wanting to talk about because I don't want to say it like it's like the worst thing ever, but I do feel like it's it's a disease that we're going through right now. It's like an illness in a sense. And I I just feel like I see that with so many people where it's never enough. It's always we need more and we need more and we need more. And eventually I just feel like that path is a path to loneliness. Because at what extent can you like, like at what extent do you say that's enough? To what, to what, what level is enough for you? And if it's not enough, then are you gonna go out of your way, like screw everybody over to get what you want? Because I think it would lead that, like to that path. But I think the more important question is like, why? Why are we like this? Why did we become like this? And I see this in our community especially. Like, you know, everybody comes from different places. I think we came from a village at the end of the day. Right. It's no matter there are the people who have more than in the village and the people who have less than, but in all, we come from a lower status, essentially, in the grand scheme of things. We're not the city folk, we're not that we are kind of like villagers. And so I think when someone handed us a silver spoon when we got to America, and they said, like, oh, here's here's a little bit of this. Like, let's see how much you you would chase after it if we dangled it in front of you. And I think when we took it, we realized like, oh, I don't want to go back to what I was. I don't want to go back to um being a farmer and the hot sun and and doing all that labor. Like, no, I want money and I want it quick. I want to, I wanna be above. I want people to see me. I want people to know that I can and I am able to do more than the next. But that's just what I think. But I think there's it goes way deeper than that. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 4:43

I think that's a really good point. Because when you were talking, I was like, if you think about it, everyone was just trying to survive at one point, right? It's like we are especially moving to this country where we don't know anything, we don't know anyone, and we just need to survive. And some of us have like families already with us, and we need to survive, all of us. So I think it was a place of like safety. It's like, okay, money means safety and security, which is something maybe I didn't feel before. And so I used to, let's say, have to worry about how am I gonna pay my next bill? How am I going to feed my child? How like all of these questions that you would have in your head. And so when you get to a place where you no longer feel that way, it's such a great feeling naturally, right? Like you're comfortable, like this is great. Like, I don't want to have to ever worry about that again. But I think slowly that can become more than just like, oh, I'm content. It can become like, okay, like I'm already doing great, but like how great would it be if it was just like there was that one more business, one more thing, one more adventure, one more risk. And it's like easily you can lose sight of all of it. I don't know. I think I would ask that person, like, what would happen if you lost it all tomorrow? If you're at this place in your life where you have reached more than you can imagine and it's amazing, right? But then what else do you value that you have in your life? Like, do you have people around you? Like, are your friends still there? Is your family still there? Do you have good relationships with people? Or did you burn all your bridges? You know? So I don't know. I think it come it can come from a lot of different places, but you brought up a really good point with power of authority. You get that sense of power at the end of the day. Money means power, and it means that I have this authority. Automatically, I'm better than the next person because I have more than the next person. And that power is really dangerous. Yeah. Have you ever heard of the um Zombardo prison experiment? Oh, my favorite one. So good. So, for those of you guys who don't know, Zombardo was a psychologist back in the 70s, and he did this prison experiment, okay, where he did it at Stanford University. He had 24 college students uh do a screening for this psychological experiment. Okay, and it was a social experiment. Um and the basically the idea of or the goal of the experiment was to see, you know, what power of authority can do to us humans, just in general. And basically what he did was he split up these 24, 12 and 12. So 12 prisoners, if I'm correct, I'm not sure. 12 prisoners and 12 um policemen. None of them are policemen in real life, none of them are prisoners in real life. This was all for the basis of the experiment. And they all knew that. They they all knew that, right? So they go into this experiment, and um all of a sudden, the police really started acting in all ways that they were police and that they were above these prisoners, that these people were scum of the earth criminals who like did the absolute worst when they were just college students like them. But that power got in their head, that authority got in their head of like, no, I'm better than you. So they would do things like, you know, make them make the prisoners pee in buckets. They wouldn't let them like go to the bathroom, like really inhumane things. They would beat them, like really, really like let themselves believe that no, I have the authority to do this. The experiment was supposed to last two weeks, but because of how traumatizing it was for everyone involved, they had to end it in six days because didn't someone kill someone? No, or they hurt them. Yeah, they would hurt them for sure. Yeah, yeah, they would like beat them and like bruise them, and it was bad. It was really bad. And it's like, and again, eventually they had to step in and cut the experiment short because they were like, this was like, whoa, we did not expect it to be like this much, this intense.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

It shows how fast it can kill your soul. Totally. You're I I really do feel like greed is a soul-sucking thing. Like it takes you, it takes everything you value, everything you grew up with, all your morals, it takes it, it takes it with it. Like you no longer have the ability to just exist and feel content. You now are a slave to to greed. You're a slave to money. That is your master. And I just, I don't know. I feel like that's very sad, lonely, and scary almost.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

You lose sight of who you are. Yeah. Do you think you people in that position ever realize it though? Or do they do you feel like they just justify it?

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Oh, justify for sure. Like this is ambition. This is just drive. This is my my talent, my ability. Who cares if I'm screwing over the next person? It's just who cares? It's just business. Yeah. Well, what do you mean? Do you want to end up like live your life where you've screwed everybody over and nobody is at your funeral or nobody is sitting next to you on your deathbed because you were a nasty human being to other people? Like, I don't know. What's it at the end of the day, like you said, you have to ask those questions to yourself. If that's what you want in life, go like that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

That's the thing. What are you trying to prove? Who are you trying to prove it to? That's another thing. Are you trying to prove it to? My theory is you think you're trying to maybe prove it to other people. You're really, at the end of the day, trying to prove it to yourself. To yourself. It's insecurity. It's a lot of insecurity.

SPEAKER_01 10:51

And I think also when we were talking about how we came from a village, that was low status. So you're already feeling insecure of like, well, I don't have enough. I don't have more than what the other people have. We're like, I don't know, you're just seen as less than in the rankings of life. There's always a ranking of life, no matter what. So you're already at that base level. You come to America, you're even lower, right? We come to America, we have nothing. We were zero. Everything you built in Surya, like, it's gone. Now you're at zero. And now you're trying to like build yourself. And I feel like for men specifically, money almost gives them value of self. Like maybe to them, it feels like I'm a more valuable human being if I have more money in my pocket.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

I think that's what they were told.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Yeah, I think that's what they were told, and they grew up with that. And not just that, look at our community. We are a comparison culture. We love to compare ourselves to the next person. And we grew up with all of our parents telling us the same things of like, or something like that. We're always told this stuff to compete. To compete. Yeah. So that and plus insecurity of not feeling enough. And then somebody handing you a silver spoon seems like the perfect recipe that the devil was trying to conjure up.

unknown 12:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

That's such a good point. You know, I think it's a very, very fine line though, between when you said, like, oh, people can justify it as just ambition, like, oh, I'm just being ambitious. Yeah, but to what extent? Like, when do you know? Like, when do you really check yourself? And you're like, wait. Have I lost like have I lost myself? Have I lost myself? Because I think that's the point that you get to where it's like you are trying so hard to be accepted by everyone around you because of who you think they want you to be and what's gonna make you shine and what's important. But then you get to this place and it's like okay, well, I did all that, and I'm still feeling lost inside, and I'm still I haven't accepted myself. Like I'm still trying to prove something to myself. So, like, okay, you got that mansion, you got that car, you got that okay. How do you feel now? Like, have you reached what you've been wanting to reach? Do you feel what you expected you do you feel how you expected you would feel when you got to that place in your life, you know?

SPEAKER_01 13:36

Yeah, what was the feeling you were chasing? Right. What did you want to feel? Right. And maybe you did. Did it last? Did it last? You still feel it. Yeah. And honestly, I feel like a lot of people we chase confidence, we chase we we want to chase feeling accepted. Okay, you have it. Do you still feel accept? Do you now everybody is looking at you and they're like, oh my God, you have so much money. And like, we're all yes people now. Like whatever you say goes. But like, did you do you truly still feel do you feel what you wanted? Or are you still missing it because you didn't accept yourself yet? You know?

SPEAKER_02 14:21

So I think that uh the way we're trying to say it right now is that the first generation, which would be our parents' generation, chased stability, it chased safety and security, right? And then the generation after, which would be our generation, chasing image and status and status. Yeah. It doesn't have to be just our generation.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

I think it trickled it trickled into the generation right above us.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Right. It's there a little bit, but it easily, quickly, I think, turned from stability and security to just greed for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Greed.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, it's really scary.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Yeah. And there's that fine line like when does um like wanting better for yourself turn into a need to be better than everyone else? You know, like ask yourself those questions. Like, do I want to be better than everyone? Or did I just want better for myself? And when is when is that enough for me? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

Don't you think they did want better for themselves and then they wanted to be better than everyone else? That's what I think happened. Like that was the original, like, we're coming here with a goal, and and now it's like we feel like we need to be better than everyone else. Oh, for sure. Have you ever been in a or met someone to like that kind of level status where you feel like they truly believe people owe them things for the amount of money and power they have? Like it's like you owe me, you know. Oh, for sure. Right? Or it's like you owe, like, you must respect me.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Well, I mean, but that's the psychology of it. Like it makes sense for them to be like that and not justifying it. But it's just like kind of like the experiment you were just talking about. You give them a little bit of power. Some people, they're gonna run with it. They're gonna be like, yes, now you owe me your life because I helped you with this and this. But it's like, are you helping them from the from the you know, sincerity of your heart, or are you helping them because you want slaves? You want people to work for you, you want power over people. Like, what where's the intent coming from? Yeah. And I do feel like there's a lot of people who have been in that position or are in the position of, you know, the the person who feels like they owe this person everything. Right. When in reality, it's just like, okay, yes, you lend me a helping hand, but I gotta run and do my own thing too. Like, I can't just be living my life to work for you or please you or do what I need to do for you.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Totally. But then there are that those people too that it's like they also feel that you you owe them respect for being at the position that they're in. Like you, you know what I mean? So money like money. Yes. Yes. Ah, I think that a lot of people in in positions of like having a lot of money, um, really wholeheartedly believe that I'm above you. And so naturally, it's it's again that power of authority. You need to respect me. Not because you I I helped you even, but I there's that too. But it's like not that you owe me in that sense of like you must always like, you know, give me money and work for me and give me a part and whatever. But it's also like you just you must respect me as a man.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Like, do you respect people as a woman? Do you, when you look at people, are you looking at their bank account to respect them, or are you looking at the way they treat others to respect them? The way they treat others.

unknown 18:16

100%.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Which is like it drives me nuts when people made that that like description in their head that like money equals respect. And like I get it from like the bigger picture type of thing of like you have power when you have money. Yes, 100%. But do you have my respect if you're a I hate to use the word, like a shitty human being? Yeah, like oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

You know what I do respect? I respect a hardworking person, a hustler, a hustler. Um we're not, I hope like no one's getting this twisted. We're not saying that like everybody that has a lot of money is like evil and greedy. Not that at all. When I'm so humble. When I genuinely respect like certain people in that position, it's because I respect the hard work you did to get there. I respect the kind of person that you were before it and are after it, which I respect it. If it's like a still a good human being that loves to give back and care for others and you know, take care of their own. I respect that wholeheartedly. And I think there's nothing wrong with that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with having money, obviously. One. And two, spending that money in the way that you want to spend it. That is your money. That is your business. And like you should, as you should, spend it whatever you need. Yeah. Sure. What I don't respect is the ones that act like they are entitled. Entitled. I hate that. Entitled.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

You know what I hate? Oh my gosh, I can go on a tangent about this. No, but I hate those people who like they donate, but their donation has to be like uh displayed to the public. You know, like I donated. I did that. I did that. Say my name on the mic. Yeah. Excuse me, sir. Like where did the where did the desire to help others fall here? Like, where is that? Because I feel like if I was to donate, I don't want anyone to know. I just want it to be like my own little thing. Like, I want to do this. I don't want it to be publicized. Because then it just gonna start to feel like I wanted everyone to know that I donated. I want everyone to know I have money. I want to be flashy. I want to do this. And I think there's there's so many, there's many different types of rich people. There's the flashy rich people of like, I want you to see everything I have. And I feel like those are the insecurist type. Or the types, I don't know what happened in your childhood that made you feel like not enough or or very less than. And you grew up and want and you just wanted to feel more seen and more visible to the public. And then there's the other type where it's just like they're more quiet. They're more quiet, but they are willing to destroy every bridge to get to what they want. Yeah, they're more low-key. They're more low-key. Yeah. But then there's others that are like, you know, they have money, but they're they're humble about it. They don't really, they're not displayed like that.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

What do you think makes them all different? Like, what do you think plays a role in like each type of rich person? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

I don't know. I I don't know. I believe values and morals and and the people you're around. Yes. And personally, I do believe uh a faith filled family might have a like a better standing chance against. the devil because they know when to draw the line of like okay I'm not gonna I'm not gonna tread over and and fall into this this trap.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Yeah I can see that I totally agree. I think there's um number one the important things like you said need need to be instilled from a very young age that you know your morals and your value and your principles like those are things you'll never lose. Like money comes and goes so quickly but your soul like and who you are as a human being like you don't want to ever lose that because you can't get that back once you lose it. Yeah. So it's like that being instilled in you and then the people surrounded by you for sure it's like are they just saying yes? Like are they just like telling you what you want to hear and they're not being honest with you. Or do you have the people that will humble you like will your family tell you hey like check you need a wake up call like this is not you. This is what I'm seeing this is like you know you're becoming money hungry to the point where it's like you're willing to do things that are not okay doing to get there. You know so I think it's like having those people around you for sure really play a big role because we've known this from a very young age and our parents would always tell us but you really are who you surround yourself with.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

100%.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

100% so it's just like I think that plays a big role too.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Influence like let's say you're you know you're still Angie but like you're Angie and every day you like have adventures on your private yacht and you go to the fanciest of restaurants and like I'm just Natalie here like with my low income paychecks I think I would be influenced to want or desire that more because I'm starting to feel like like oh well she does it like I want to be just like her or like all my friends they get to do all of this and I don't get to do that. I want to be like everyone else or that's just your mindset. Your mindset is like I like to I like to go out and do the luxurious live the luxury life right I might feel influenced like well I want to go and enjoy that as well you know and then but I feel like maybe because maybe I I'm speaking from a more biased standpoint of like I feel like the people I surround myself with we all kind of have the same mindset or we have the same personality in a sense of like no today's enough today is today is good. Like we're not like constantly chasing and maybe because we're women it's different. There is a big difference in that too yeah like men versus women yeah for sure like my contentness is like oh my gosh my friends came over today and we had Metine we just had like a time together like that that's cool for me. Like I'm I'm enough and that could just be my personality. So I think personality could play a role.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

Huge but and I also think we have to go back on the whole men versus women thing. That's true. Because there's not that and we've said it before and I'll say it again there's not that like expected pressure from us to have all this money. You know what I mean? To like make all this money. Like no one's placing that pressure on us. Whereas the men, they kind of place it on each other and it's like it really like says something about you as a man if from what I see and here it's like it says something about you as a man if like your income is not what it's expected to be. It's like are you a man? Like are you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Yeah I think it's something makes me so sad. Like men they do influence each other of like they they all love it.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

A lot of motivation for each other and they really like I love to see them helping each other. I love I think that's what I love about this younger generation too like our brother's generation and stuff they really do want to help each other from what I see you know they really do care about each other and they want to support each other and I think it's amazing and they influence each other in the best way in that you know but I think easily that influence can become okay but now you're doing so much better than me. I don't like this.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Oh I don't like that it becomes at first I started to help you but then when you started to be a little bit better than me now it's just like how dare you like and not them specifically just I think that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

It really is like a lot of people in in that position I feel like they're like okay like we'll help you on my terms. On my terms what am I gonna get in return? It's it's help but it's it's selfish.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

As long as it's benefiting me I'll help you. Yeah. But if it's not then selfish ambition. Yeah and again not everyone everything we're saying is general that's true.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

So please don't no seriously not everyone is like this no not at all dude and it's not bad to have drive and ambition and to want more for yourself. It's not at all we're just saying like know when you're maybe going too far with it of where it's now consuming you and you know it almost feels like it's you you no longer are yourself. You're just someone living for the approval of others or someone living to just want power or authority over other people because that can be really really dangerous. How many people do we know like we were just mentioning this about like P Diddy and like all of those like Epstein Epstein all these people they got a little bit of power they went for the the people who were like um what what is the word vulnerable the vulnerable people they went for the vulnerable population they made everyone feel like they owe them something they got all that power look at them now they're in prison because they killed people they violated people they they uh sexually abused people like it can get to that if you don't check yourself 100% and I don't want that to feel like you know just oh whatever do what you need to do.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

No like it can get bad and we've seen that they lost their soul they lost their soul they sold their souls theoretically hypothetically or actually I don't know but their souls are not there anymore. Like genuinely you've seen like after all the P Diddy stuff dude like his face in court and like his interviews and whatever like just soulless like you would think like there's some sort of remorse seeing how many people you hurt along the way of like all your disgusting actions you would think there's some sort of remorse when you're hearing these people crying and testifying in front of you if anything it was a smile and like that's scary you know and it's just like you wonder at the end of the day this was a child once upon a time this was a kid a beautiful innocent little child how did we get here and it's like you lose sight of everything that matters it's heartbreaking. It's lonely it's lonely it's very lonely.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Yeah yeah yeah on my way here I was like when are the times that I felt the most content in my life and when are the times that I felt not content and I found that there was a common theme when I'm not content is when I'm insecure. When I am content is when I am able to physically count every blessing in my life and feel like on top of the world feel confident in myself that like God has truly blessed me. And when those days happen when I can say that to myself and when I can accept that it's just like I really don't need more God is God is giving me everything I need today today my drink was amazing. It was so good.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

A sandwich really good sandwich really good like my friend amazing my my life amazing and so like I I'm content with me I don't need more oh my God you remind me of the trend that's going around TikTok right now with the hallelujah like everything hallelujah everything hallelujah yes because that's really like wow sorry I cut you off go ahead no no continue I I want to hear no but it's like that's what it reminded me of because it's so funny when Justin like performed that song and there is a lyric um like he's saying like you know Haley babe hallelujah baby jack hallelujah like he's just like thanking God for like everything and then he goes I brushed my teeth hallelujah I didn't know and I I didn't understand it at first I was like okay Justin like now you're just no I know just what are you doing here? But it makes sense because it's like I think he was at a place that he was so low in his life to where even brushing your teeth felt like the biggest task in the world. And so it's like I'm so grateful God that I brushed my teeth today. Yeah like thank you. Thank you you know and it's just like whoa like really everything hallelujah like thank God for everything. So you reminded me of that when you were saying like when you when you remember all the things you're grateful for the things that really bring you that feeling of contentness like yeah that's like for me why I mentioned my drink it's like thank you for making me comfortable enough that I'm able to buy this drink.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Thank you that I'm I have a pair of jeans to wear today you know like gratitude. And I think on my ride here I was like how do we put greed in its place? Gratitude being thankful for every single second of the day you get to have on this earth because you might not get it tomorrow. And I feel like you mentioned it too like at the end of your life like if you have a week left to live yeah you were saying that and what how do you want to spend that what what is it that you want to spend it doing do you want to spend it traveling the world like being on the private jet? Do you want to spend it with the people you love and like whatever you decide that's yours and you do what you want to do with it. But like I I don't know for me I would want to spend it with my friends, my family like in nature with God and just being so grateful for every second of my life that I got to live and every experience I got to go through because it it gave me so much meaning it gave me a purpose in this world you know it truly is what makes me the happiest yeah I so agree with you.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

Like at first the automatic thought is like oh I have a week left to live okay I'm gonna go see everything, go travel the world, go to all these countries. I need to experience all this stuff before I die. I need to you know do all the things but then it's just like no like I really just want to be with my family and my friends and the people that I love. Like that's truly it that's all I care about at the end of my life. And so when you say it that way and I think you look at your life reality check happens. It's like do I have those people to spend it with yeah or did I lose them along the way like if I do get to that point at the end of my life and like like you said like I'm just on my deathbed alone what's the point? What was the point of any of it? What was the point of any of it?

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Yeah you're not dying with any of it you're not dying with the money you're not dying with the house or the car the we know you're you're just you're dying with the memories oh that's beautiful you're dying with the memories oh my gosh I'm getting emotional I'm getting emotional too you know as you were talking I was just like I was remembering my wedding day you know a wedding day so crazy and chaotic and just like all over the place. Such a beautiful day too it was now it was in the moment it was not anyways but I was just remembering I was like man there was just so much pizzazz and this and that but like everyone was telling me don't forget to like take in the moment just take in the moment and I was just so frustrated with everything but I made sure like at my thalau I just made sure to just look around and just see like how many people I've like how many seeds I planted and how much fruit that bared that like for me how many people in my life that I have that I enjoy that like love me that support me and that just came to just sing with me and just like take me out to this next chapter of my life like that for me was just in the midst of the chaos was so important. Yeah just take take a take a moment to just look around and be like wow I am so blessed. Yeah yeah and even you're always crying on this podcast what's wrong with me I'm always crying on this podcast I'm just always crying period no but even like walking down the aisle too it's just like that still moment like with you and your person before God it was just like all right take it in take this moment in and then the rest was just chaos because it was just like ah yeah yeah then it's just like then it's just like uh but like those moments are the moments I want to cherish forever and that means so much to me you know yeah regardless of anything like everyone kept telling me like nah but everyone else had a great time and like this this and that but I was just like no but I wanted to have a good time with everyone like that means so much. I want to be with everyone I want to enjoy it with everyone not just like everyone thought it was good. Because I don't care about your thoughts I care about my moment with you.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

My moment with yeah of course oh that was so beautiful now it really is like that like wow like you've realized what's important in those moments and it's so funny I'm sure because you put in so much time and stress and effort into all the details of it and it really was all beautiful. Like I can't get over this wedding like from you to everything everything everything was stunning you know but it's funny because hearing you now say like really what like I really remember and what stood out to me in those in that day was just as simple as like seeing all my friends and family around me. Yeah and like having them there and walking down the aisle to my husband like that is what I'm remembering. Yeah and it's so interesting because a lot of like brides like will say like dude I'm just ready for the wedding boot I just can't wait to live with my husband. That's what I want like I don't like it's fine. Like I don't want I just want to like get to the next place. I think that's so beautiful because you also like remember like I don't know the meaning like why all matters you know why all matters yeah and so I think purpose is another big thing purpose say when people like are thinking about like you know when they're at a place of like they have all this power it's like okay what's the purpose behind it? What are you gonna do with it? You know that's really good. Yeah it's like I agree you can do something great and beautiful with it but you have to choose to do that. Yeah and I think some people are great with that some people are so good with like they get blessed with so much and they give it back and they don't ask for anything in return and I think it's beautiful um and you have the power to like make a difference and make a change and you know do something really good. How many people do you know that don't ask for anything in return you know why I'm it's so hard to think because I don't think people recognize they do it. I don't even think I recognize I do it me too. I'm sure like everything I I say like something's gonna happen in return. You know what I mean? I yeah I think that too sometimes I catch myself I'm like wait am I really being selfless or is it benefiting me?

SPEAKER_01 38:25

Why are you expecting a reaction back or why are you expecting them to kind of almost treat you the same way yeah is did you do it because you wanted to be treated the same way? Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

Like I'm just problem I never have like one black and white answer like yes or it depends. It depends it does like I don't know I could get so deep into philosophical about this genuinely but um yeah not many people I don't think many people do anything without something in return. Maybe if they don't realize it that that that's what they're doing but like it makes you feel good.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

You know what I mean? It's like giving back makes me feel really good.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

It's also oh man that's a whole debate within itself we're just not gonna get into that. But I I ask that because I'm like because you're we're around so many business people I just feel like business people are kind of just trained mentally of like like a trade you know like that's their business like I'm gonna I'm gonna sell you this in return for this like I need the cash back or I need something back if I'm gonna give you this it's like almost like transactional it's transactional it's but it's like because their mind is so business because maybe in back in the day they did transactions like that it's like a trained process in their head of like I'm not gonna do anything if I'm not gonna get anything back for it. You know? But I will say like obviously there's those people who are very giving and they're just under the radar and we don't even know. And that's the best part about it. Nobody knows if you are giving or if you're not you can't judge a book by its cover. It's just I know that there's some people who are very flashing out there and that's fine. Do what you want with your life but don't let it get the best of you don't let it suck your soul away leave your humanity like get stay within that.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

I agree. Yeah you know I think what also can help with like reminding yourself that like we're all humans at the end of the day and like you all we all came from somewhere is um going somewhere or like seeing like serving somewhere that's like less fortunate than you are whether it's like you know a certain country on a mission trip on homeless shelter or whatever it is to really like put you back in check of like it's weird because we all know like there are people who don't have that much and like there's always someone less fortunate than we are. We know that we say that all the time right but it's so different when you see it like it hits at a different level. So I think it's like also like try to surround yourself in those kind of areas to like just to remind yourself that like how blessed you truly are and like how quickly it can all go away you know um that too. So I think that'd be like a really great way to help keep you in check as well.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Yeah. And I think for our community too I think we reached we got money so quick like it almost was like a all of a sudden everyone just became rich. And it's like where did this come from? But I feel like as quickly as you got rich as quickly is as quickly as you're gonna fall and that is going to be a hard hit and you might not even fall financially but you might fall within your life you might not you might just not still not feel fulfilled still keep chasing and still keep going and still feel like nothing's ever enough and I'm so unsatisfied with my life right now. And that's the that's the scariest part to be a slave in your own head ooh a slave in your own head I believe that sometimes that wait can you tell me more about that a slave in your own head like you know in the world you might be big and powerful and like you have authority over all but like in your head your thoughts run you they control you they consume you like you're your lack of esteem is the loudest thing in your head and you are just stuck in this mental state and you can't get out of it.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

That's that's kind of what I mean like you're you're a slave to your own thoughts your own your own insecurity your own demons the loudest power sometimes comes from the deepest insecurity oh beautiful yeah that's so true though now yeah oh my gosh yeah it's that s it's that you are so powerful on the outside and you have all this authority but you are so insecure and lost and maybe broken inside and it's like what are you hoping I don't know what are you hoping to to to how are you hoping to fulfill that that that that void and I think our community gets it twisted because they fill the void with validation that's how they're filling the void.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

But it's like if your self worth is based on achievement then you're just gonna be working for the rest of your life there's no retirement you know you're just gonna slave your life away to that concept or that idea but if your concept or idea is self worth comes from within not achievement, your um personal happiness, gratitude, content. For me, it's Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

Then for me too.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

Yeah. Then that's like that can manifest it's that can manifest such a beautiful life with you in its own way. Or just like everything, even like when the the wind blows on the tree is just like such a beautiful awe-awakening thing of like, wow, what what a world we live in. Like that's how I feel sometimes because I get my self-worth from that of like, man, Jesus is such an amazing creator. To like, this is amazing. This is beautiful. They're alive. Everything here is alive. I don't know. It's just it's a different perspective. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

It is for sure. I think that reminded me of um when the astronauts recently went on that mission and so beautiful and they were like kind of saying like all of a sudden like just like Earth looks so small. Like like we're all one. You know, like we're just all floating on this ball in space. Like we're all one you know and so it was such a like I think like woe moment of like there's so many problems there are so many issues and evilness and like that happens in the world but at the end of the day we're all in this together. You know like we are all one human and it's just like it's that perspective of like wow like I don't know I don't know I think everything you just said just reminded me of that moment because it hit so deep for me. Just seeing it I was like that's so true.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

I don't know. I don't know how to look at our first episode like the zooming out. Yeah you know like you zoom out you see like we're all the same we're all one we're all on the same playing field like I I wish we can get back to like community rather than competition. Yeah because there's so much power in a community. And it's so beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Yeah like it's there's something so beautiful about us all helping each other.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Yeah you know that's power. That's power. That's big power totally yeah but like power shouldn't be a self a self thing. Power should be like let's let's all work together for the common good.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

That's powerful you know why is it that I feel like when like I can see that happening if it was like us against a different community or another group is like we'll all have each other's back. I know that and I don't doubt it. We'll all be there for each other.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

But with each other Bro even with each other it's like well we're better than you it's like come on it's like the Middle East no actually checks out.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Dude we went to that one party and I think it was like the Carlos party and it was just like a bunch of different groups from um like like some people are from Lebanon some people are from Iraq and then some people are from Surya and like all the different places and we like walk out everybody's fighting with everybody and I'm like dude what is wrong with Arab like but then I bet you if it was Arab versus like Americans like all the Arab would be like one and like you know that's what I'm saying we just want to fight bro we want to compete I don't know what it is love to compete don't we? I swear but don't get me wrong I love a good competition. Yeah oh we know oh we know we know soccer games soon everyone please sign up in the comments down below we're gonna have a soccer tournament soccer tournament anyway um what would we want to leave our audience with last little piece of advice or just comment before we end our episode for today I feel like we said a lot I would say you can't serve two masters so choose your master powerful no but also don't lose your soul to the materialism of the world keep it keep your humanity and notice what's important in life and find your self-worth from within and from you know the the relationships the connections and like the I don't know the the gratitude of everyday blessing the gratitude of life I don't know how to explain it but just be grateful.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

Be grateful notice your blessings I agree that's my message notice your blessings I think my last message would be um to remember that people's respect for you comes from the kind of person that you are and not the amount of things that you have for um you know not for the materialistic stuff it comes from just who you are as a person. That's what we're gonna be so yeah but we love you guys love you guys and thank you so much for tuning in to today's episode of Insession with Nat and Ann. See you next time. Bye bye