Bodies Like Ours

In this episode of Softcore Wellness, we’re celebrating Women’s History Month by taking a look at the history of women’s health — and how far we’ve come (and how far we still have to go).

From periods and period products to sports bras, medical research, and the ways women have had to advocate for their own care, we explore some of the milestones that have shaped the way women experience health and wellness today.

We also talk about something deeply personal: learning to listen to our bodies. For generations, women were often told to ignore their symptoms, push through pain, or accept discomfort as normal. Reclaiming trust in our bodies can be a powerful act of self-awareness and self-care.

This conversation moves between history, personal experience, and curiosity about what it means to live in — and care for — bodies like ours.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Welcome to Soft Core Wellness. I'm Savannah. I'm Chelsea. This is a space to explore without pressure, perfectionism, or performance. Softness, strength, and being human. That's the vibe. Let's get into it. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Welcome back to Softcore Wellness. So happy to see you again. We are here today celebrating Women's History Month, which started in 1987. Sadly, not that long ago. No. But we're here to celebrate women and talk through our experiences being in women's bodies.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

We do want to say that our experience in our lives has been as women in women's bodies. And so this podcast will be us sharing our personal experiences and some historical milestones for women in wellness. But we want to be clear that we do not want to exclude any of our trans or non-binary friends. We do think there are things in this podcast that anyone can hear and relate to. If you are living in a body with a uterus or living in a body that represents or presents as female at any point in your life, that I do think you'll see and hear things that sound like you. And we always want to do better and be better. We do consider ourselves allies to the trans and non-binary community. So as always, please call us in if we don't get something right.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

So I know Chelsea did a lot of research on this topic, getting a lot of history facts and kind of timelines and the history of how you know women's bodies have been researched and certain products have been introduced to the market that are focused on women and that kind of thing. So I will pass it to you to kick it off with some fun facts.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

Yeah, so I will say this is not an exhaustive list by any means of every women's wellness milestone from the history of time. Just some um but things that are, you know, relatable and topics that we focus on and talk about. Um, so I will be going back and forth with my phone.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_04 2:17

And I think we'll just go topic by topic. So first up, we have in the 1890s, okay, disposable pads were invented. So before that, I do think they were wearing things that were just like wash.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Like cloth, which is pre-bleeding.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

I thought it was really interesting when I was writing this because now I feel like we're like kind of getting away from disposable products. But they are so convenient and so helpful. Like if I was in middle school and had to wear something all day that I had to like take home and then wash, like the trauma of that would have been too much for me to take. Um, but as I was like noting that one, I just yeah, that piece stuck out to me of like jumping right into period care.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

Yes, we I think that it's really interesting too, like um every every like bleeding body has its own timeline, right? Like you just mentioned middle school. Yeah. Getting your period. Yeah. I was in high school. I was like the last girl in my friend group. I was like almost 15 years old.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

I was one of the last girls in my friend group. In middle school? 12. Yes. What? Okay, I grew up in the Midwest where we drank a lot of milk, y'all.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

No, but still, because I remember there being a few people, like a few kids in elementary school.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

Yeah, we had a couple people in Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

And so I just I think that that's a really interesting thing because there's such a vast, like a variety of experiencing your first period, and when that even comes, that like I was a little bit more mature than if I was in middle school or like fifth grade or something like that. Where like I've heard my friends all talk about it, like my mom has educated me. We've been through some sort of sex ed where I was, you know, whatever. Yeah, that I like knew what to expect at that point and could manage it a lot better than when I was maybe younger had I gotten it. So I think that's a big blessing for me. I'm super grateful. But that is, I feel like I'm a little bit of an outlier.

SPEAKER_04 4:14

Like, yeah, I think elementary school and high school are probably both, although elementary school might be more the norm now. Like I think nine to twelve is probably the range right now. Yeah. Um, I didn't dig into that, so please correct me um if that's not true. But I do think like I have nieces that are all in this age range right now. Um and like I think about the new products that have been developed since like we got our period because we were sitting on like three inch thick like cotton pads, um, and like period underwear. Yeah. That would have saved my life. Like I unfortunately inherited very heavy periods. Like every woman in my family had very heavy periods, and like your girl leaked at school, and it is the most mortifying, embarrassing thing to happen when you are especially middle school age. Like that is just torment.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

But I've had that as an adult. Oh, what I'm saying. So like same. The first two or three days of like my flow are horrendous, which is also why I'm super grateful that my birth control has eliminated periods for me. It's been a huge, huge quality of life thing from me personally. Yes. Um, but I remember a couple years ago when I lived in Seattle, I was I truly was in meetings back to back to back to back to back to back all day. And it's like I could wear like super, super heavy flow like tampon. And I remember there was one day when I just I did not have a chance to get out, and I was like, I bled through my pants, and I was like, please let me have not bled on this chair. I mean, I didn't, it wouldn't have been the end of the world, obviously. Um, because we also worked in like healthcare, so but but still, like my friend had to give me an extra set of pants so I didn't have to go home, and like then obviously I was I was really crampy too because it was such a heavy flow, it was just a whole thing that there is always that that fear of like am I gonna bleed through my pants? Yeah, are we scared to wear the color white? Yeah, like oh yeah, all the things. Yeah, scared to work white for many reasons, but yeah, I'm just such a mess. It would be it would be white for 30 minutes and then it's like well 100%. That was fun. But you get a cute pig.

SPEAKER_04 6:26

No, I mean I'm so grateful now that there are more options. Like I said, period underwear changed my life in my late 20s and early 30s. Yeah. Because it was just like a backup that I could wear it overnight or whatever and didn't feel like um I've always been a pad wearer. I have some anatomy things that make tampons impossible. Yeah. Um, so like just seven days with like that plasticky mesh of pads, so to the moisture, right? So to have period underwear where like things can breathe a little bit more, and like it's either a backup or like the only thing on a lighter day, like life-saving. So I'm sure that's how women in the 1890s felt when they're like, Oh god, like I can have a pad that I can just throw away and never think about again. Like, yeah, I can't even imagine. Although I do remember, I don't know if anyone read this book other than me, it's very old and like our moms. Um, but are you there, God? It's me, Margaret.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

I didn't read that one. I have heard about it my whole childhood, but I didn't read it.

SPEAKER_04 7:28

So she gets her period in the book and she's describing putting on a pad, and like I I don't remember the details, but like I feel like she describes it as something like she had to like put around her waist and then like strap it like it was crazy. So like pads didn't used to just like stick in your underwear, like it was a whole thing in like the 60s still.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:52

So like there has just been like leaps and bounds.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

I mean, like, we could do a whole episode on just menstruation, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

We probably should.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Uh yeah, we should we'll get uh a gynecologist in and we can go through all the like history of all the special products and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 8:09

But yeah, it's just really interesting to think about and reflect on like a thank goodness we have so many other options, and like if you're an athlete or if you have anatomical issues and can't do tampons or um like the menstrual cups or whatever, like it's so good. Oh, I love a diva cup actually. Yeah, I know a ton of people who love that.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Love a diva cup. Um uh I'll share a weird fact about me, although it's probably not that weird, maybe for people that wear diva cups because they're more comfortable with like you know, dealing with it.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

But I definitely went through a phase where I would paint with my menstrual blood on rocks, and it was a really fun self-love practice.

SPEAKER_04 8:47

Honestly, I love that so much.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

But I do. I love the Deba cup because you could wear it for long periods of time and you're not worried about like toxic shock syndrome, especially like I'm I'm a hypochondriac, so I would be like, What time did I put my tamp on in? Okay, gotta get it out, don't want to die today. Like, you know, I take it a little overboard. So that was great. Yeah. And like if you I would say it took a while to kind of get like the insertion and the way that it kind of has to like suction and sit in there.

SPEAKER_04 9:16

Like it took a couple tries to like some are like easier to pull out than others, to get into the groove.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

Yeah, but I feel like once once I had it, that was what I was using before like birth control stopped, like before I went on a different protocol and stuff. It was really great and sustainable. Yeah, you boil it in hot water, sanitize it. There's special sanitizing, special soap that they bring. I mean, sustainability and that great, so great.

SPEAKER_04 9:41

I always thought it was interesting, like maybe this is TMI about how Chelsea's brain works. Like when you're wearing a pad or a tampon, like you can't really tell, like amount. Like obviously, you know it's a lot or a little, but like I always thought it would be interesting with the menstrual cups that you can like Yeah, you can actually like see totally. Because in my mind, I'm bleeding and bleeding and bleeding and bleeding. Yeah, I'm sure with a diva cut you're like, oh, okay. Well Yeah, that's true. It's not like overflowing.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

I mean, maybe sometimes, but sometimes but yeah, that's a great point too. Yeah. That is, I think, an interesting concept to like track, right? Because like if you get certain like chest or like breast dogs or reductions or things, you get with other surgeries too, you get um why isn't my brain working? Why isn't my brain working? Oh, drains, you get drains put in. There it is. Yeah, so you get the drains put in and you monitor like how much fluid and it's not, I mean, it looks like blood because there is blood in it, but it's also other fluids that your body is like um excreting. And so you're you're monitoring like that so that you kind of know the cycle of the healing process and like when to switch it out. And so I think that I don't know, it's just a fun metric to track, I guess. I don't you know, I like it. I'm not a doctor, so I don't know if it really serves any purpose to know like I bled this many fluid ounces or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 11:05

Well, I do think like heavy bleeding can be a symptom of other things or cause issues and anemia and whatever. So totally there's a lot of reasons it's good to know.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

But I so I like that. Like I yeah, I would like to track something like that. So very cool.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

Yeah, I think that's super interesting. Um, so along with that, um I think just noting for people who don't live in a female body or have a menstrual cycle, like how much it impacts your energy. And I mean, we've talked about it in other episodes about workouts and needing to change depending on where you are in your cycle, but it also impacts coordination and strength and your recovery. It's not just like your mood and crampiness and like maybe I'm a little more tired. Like it genuinely impacts your ability to do certain things.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

And your pain levels. Um, it it impacts how sensitive your nosesceptors. Wait, what's that? That is those are your pain receptors. Oh, okay. How strong that they're reacting to certain stimuli and things like that. So um my mom and I had some like laser hair removal done, like when I was like a senior in high school or something like that. And I remember um the aesthetician was like, let's try to time it with your cycle so that you're not coming in when you're like super, super sensitive because you're also like adding like a topical numbing cream and stuff. But I mean, it's still uncomfortable, right? Like it is like a hot little rubber band going beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Um, and so that's how I kind of learned learned about that is that it can vary based on your cycle, on like how resistant to pain you are. And I've noticed it with so like I am not currently bleeding through a menstrual cycle, but I do feel a dulled down version of my hormones fluctuating and things like that throughout the monthly cycles. But I notice it when I go to sweat house. Um, how tolerant is my body to the extreme heat and the extreme cold? Because I know, you know, we've gone many times together, and like I've told you there are some days like I can sit in that cold water three, I don't think I've done it more than four minutes, but then there are some days, like you've seen I like hop in, do a quick dunk because my body is like, heck no, today. Um, and you know, it could be correlated to that.

SPEAKER_04 13:21

Yeah. Well, and you know, my favorite data point lately is just that like cold plunges are good for women and for men, but the temperature should be better. That's correct. And women, it shouldn't be quite as cold as it is for men. So we're like in the 50-55 degree range. Yeah. And men can go much colder if for us it triggers like that cortisol hormone domino effect if it's much colder than that. Yeah. Um, I think the other thing with periods too to note is that most workout plans ignore the menstrual cycle. So like I do think people are getting better and with having more female trainers and coaches, like and people who understand um those cycles. I know we work with a man who coaches men and women. And when he has a woman hop on a call who's his client and says, I'm on my period, he's like, Cool, you don't have to do anything today. Yeah, like you can if you want to, and if you feel like you're ready, especially if you're towards the end of your period.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:16

But if you are actively bleeding and it doesn't feel impossible, yeah, um, totally that's okay. That's where you are in your cycle leading up to physically bleeding.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Right. Yeah. I had a manager at the last job, um, the last company that I worked, and both he and his wife were like, I don't want to semi-professional athletes, I guess. He's like a professional bodybuilder. He is an entrepreneur, he's incredible, does so much cool stuff. And his wife is like a marathon runner and like all these things. So they're both very fit, very active. And then they both, you know, offer like training and nutrition counseling and like kind of the holistic approach. And so he would always tell us as a team, because he was like a very connected manager, yeah, that if anyone ever, you know, wanted just some like tips or whatever. And like I have a friend that I met through work who did, you know, meet with him a couple times and it really helped her because he had given her focus of like, this is how we shift your workouts through the months with your menstrual cycle so that you can maximize the state that your body's in and like the work that you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

And she said it made all the difference and having someone that helped plan the entire month based on her cycle and holding space for that.

SPEAKER_04 15:30

Yeah, I love that he was that tapped in. Yeah. It's really cool. I mean, I think, and just a reminder for anyone who doesn't know um, for those living in a male body, their hormonal cycle is 24 hours. So, like, oh yeah, for them, if they find a time of day that is good to work out, that time of day, in theory, most days is gonna feel great. Yeah, us, our cycle is 28 days or 30, it's approximate, but most people are around 28. Um, and so for us, it's day by day, week by week, it's not a 24 hour cycle. So there's also just with women's history and talking about this in general, there's so many things in society built around a daily hormonal cycle that we have to fit our bodies and our lives into. Um, I mean, even just like the temperature of an office is tuned to men's bodies and not to female bodies.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:22

Um, so things like that where you just don't necessarily really think about it until you know that these stats are based on this stuff and you're like, oh yeah, we're not taught that.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

It's not like something we talk about.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Or, you know, had the resources I needed because it's not built for me.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:40

And so yeah, just reminding yourself that as a woman or somebody with a uterus, you are on more of a 28-day hormonal cycle and to give yourself breaks and to track that. Again, I advise against tracking it in an app for many reasons. Um, but if you can track it manually in a notebook so you can keep track of your own pattern.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

Yes, I would do that. My mom like hammered that home ever since. So, like, I think I have a diary of every single period I've ever had in my life. Amazing. I'll never visit it, revisit it. No. But I have it somewhere in multiple like agendas and whatever. Also, I want to make note that not every woman's body has a uterus. Yes. I know. I'm just I'm trying to be as inclusive as possible, and I know you are too. Um, but yeah, I think I have a record of every period I've ever had.

SPEAKER_04 17:29

I mean, that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

Yeah, maybe I'll write a book about it.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:35

Well, I think that's cool. Yeah. Um, so more things on periods. Up to 90% of people who menstruate experience PMS symptoms at some point, but we're often told it's just like normal and not worth addressing. But some people have extreme, like, I've gone to the ER for my cramps before, I've thrown up from my cramps before. Like, I've probably bled more than like I healthily should have. And like in reality, we're just expected to go to work, we're expected to go to school, we're expected to do whatever. Thank goodness I had a mom who worked in the medical field, and she was like, mm-mm. She also had terrible periods. So she was like, if you aren't feeling it today, you're staying home. That's fine. Yeah, literally. Sleep.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

Yeah, there were days that I wouldn't be able to go to work because it doesn't matter like what medicine I took, like I would also throw up, I would be in so much pain.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

It was just it was debilitating of neproxin sodium I had taken in my life. Because my doc I had a great um gynecologist when I was younger, and she said that was the one that was most effective. Um, so I took she even prescribed me like megadose neproxin sodium at one point. Like it still never stopped them. I love watching the videos of men wearing the period simulators. Period simulators.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

They have no idea. They really have no idea. But I mean, you can't fault them. They have no idea because they have no idea.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

Why would they? But also every man wear it so that you can have a little more patience. Yeah. Because that's just like part of it. Like, yes, cramps suck and they're terrible, but like a bleeding is uncomfortable. Like, it's not like physical plane of the blood coming out, but like the feeling of it is uncomfortable and gross, and like I mean, I don't want to say gross because it is also magical and amazing. Of course. Wonderful. But like, I mean, I know people talk about like period farts and like the stuff that happened down there when you're wearing a pad and like your boobs can get tender, like so sore and tender, like leading up to and during period and halfway in between sometimes. And like your appetite shifts, and there's period poops, and like there's so many things that happen.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

We're gonna have to put a bodily fluid trigger warning at the beginning of this episode.

SPEAKER_04 19:49

Yeah, we're talking about it all. Um, but I mean, it's a body. We all have bodies, things happen in our bodies. I'm sure men have all sorts of things that happen in their bodies. I just don't know what's happening. I mean, bodies do weird stuff when we're not on our periods.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

Yeah. They just do some weird things sometimes. They have a mind of their own.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

But with that, like I've seen more and more companies giving um to any employee with a uterus uh unlimited menstrual leave. And like I think that's amazing and important and supportive. Um, because it is really hard to work on the so miserable and all you want to do is sleep with a heating pad wrapped around you.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Yeah, because I would be so much more productive if I had the rest time and then was like on my game when I was feeling better.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

Yeah, trying to like push through is really hard. Yeah. Uh I promise not all of the wellness milestones are about periods. Um so then in 1960, the birth control pill was invented. Cool. Obviously, before that, there were birth control methods. Like the diaphragm was invented in the 1800s, and I know there's been condoms forever, and they used to really be made from like okay, that's enough. Um, but anyways, I thought that so it's just weird sometimes. I don't know if that means it's the first like hormonal birth control. I don't know if there was one that came before that. Um, but the 1960s also weren't that long ago. Like that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

I mean, well, think about science. Like, we're still learning so much and the medical access and research and stuff. It's it feels like it's been around forever, but it really hasn't. Yeah. At least in the Western, Western methods and stuff, right? Like you've got like old school ancient herbal medicine that has been so successful for centuries and centuries and centuries.

SPEAKER_04 21:39

Um, I do want to note too that like obviously it's called a birth control pill, but it's used for so many different things. I was prescribed it because my periods were so miserable. Same. My doctor hoped that it would help relieve some of that for me and shorten my periods and make all of that more. Palatable every month, I guess. Unfortunately, I was really sensitive to the hormones, even on the lowest dose that the pill never worked for me personally. But I'm grateful that people recognize it and use it for different things. I know they use it as an acne treatment for a lot of women. Yeah. Um, it helps like contain that.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:20

Um, I'm sure there's other things too, probably migraines and different things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

And I think so, and when you have migraines, you cannot take estrogen because it can cause strokes. So as someone that gets migraines, I can only take progesterone.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Um, birth, like hormonal birth control. Um, but I think it's important to note too, like any kind of medication or any kind of thing, it is a trial and error basis. Like absolutely. I was prescribed and I just I didn't want to commit to having an IED or like the next one on implant. So I was like, I'm a hypochondriac. I can take a pill at the same time every day because my brain will not let me skip it. Um, so I was like, I'll just start with this, see how it goes. Um, and again, it was because I was having such bad cramping, horrible like breast tenderness, like really heavy flows. I mean, I was miserable. It was debilitating for two to three days of every month. Horrific. Um, and wow, I haven't had a period since I started. Um, and it's been super life-changing, and that has really helped the quality of life for me, and I've been really grateful. And so, with me having such a positive experience, I will tell everyone because I'm like, this helps me so much. This is so cool. But it doesn't work for everyone. And here's an example. I told obviously all my friends, and one of them um decided to try it for her personal reasons. She didn't stop bleeding. I don't know what it did, but her body freaked out. She, I think, too, had to go to the ER where they were like, Stop taking this immediately. We need to get you, like, you should not be bleeding like this every single day for this, however long it has been. Um, and again, she was taking the same thing that worked for my body, and her body, it did not, it did not go well. Yeah. So, again, always talk to your medical professional. Oh, 100%. Um, but I and I know that sometimes birth control gets a bad rap because people like to be like, oh, men should be accountable, men should do more too. I personally don't want to focus on that in this episode because I'd rather keep it more positive and there's truth to be said in that. Yeah. But I think the positive things of birth control, like it's positively impacted me so much that like that is something to be celebrated. Yeah. And then if you've got your own like opinions and feelings, which we're all entitled to, you know, about being sexually active and maybe other partners that you're involved with can have their responsibilities and you can meet more in the middle and things like that. That's one thing. But but I think for you know, the medical purposes, it's really great. And I think the other side effects, like a lot of medications being designed for one thing, and then they learn that they actually are really helpful for X, Y, and Z. Additionally, is great. And I think I don't know, I'm I'm for it. I like it. And I know it's not for everyone, but no, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 25:15

I definitely agree with the statement about you know men, but also for me, I'm on an IUD and it's been life-changing because I don't have to have a period. Yeah, I can go swimming without thinking about incredible. I can, yeah. So for me, it's been freeing um for my body for other reasons. Um, and again, that's why I get caught up on like calling it birth control, because like, yes, it is, but also it does so many more things. And so I think if you haven't explored like all the benefits it can have, if you are thinking just purely it prevents pregnancy. Um and sometimes they don't prevent pregnancy.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

In fact, they're not incalculable. Yeah, like in the sense that the medication I am on is not prescribed for pregnancy avoidance. Oh, okay. It's prescribed for symptoms, and then not getting pregnant is a side effect because it keeps the uterine wall so thin that an egg can't implant, but that doesn't mean sperm doesn't eat the egg and fertilization doesn't occur. Right. So it just can't implant, so it comes out. Yeah. But so I don't know. So it's just important to note too that like there's a whole spectrum of that.

SPEAKER_04 26:38

Yeah, and medications that makes like I know if you take antibiotics on birth control pills, like it can it can make it ineffective.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

That's true, yeah. All the things, yeah, and different vitamins and whatever.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Yeah. Okay, switching gears. I'm really excited to talk about this invention for so many reasons, and was like the first fun fact that I found. Okay. 1977 was the first sports bra. Before 1977, there was no sports bra.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

What?

SPEAKER_04 27:07

Women they taped down their boobs or put jock straps on their boobs. So the first bra was actually someone like hacked a jock strap and a bra. It was a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

And what a practical functional thing. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 27:25

Which is also interesting because I think of a jock strap as like having sort of like a hard shield. Like, was it like a shield? Yeah, but you can take the cup in and out.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

True, true.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

But the shape it, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

Yeah. So that was the first one.

SPEAKER_04 27:38

Because it's like yeah, true, because it's the cup and the jack.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

Clearly Yeah, but it's still not like fully fitted for a boob. No. We can we can make it work, but it's not the same. That is a fun fact. That is wild. I think I have some opinions about bras. Same. Yeah. And yeah, I think it's interesting because my journey with bras has just been its own journey. I feel like growing up as um a female in America where we sexualize women and objectify them. It was all about like pretty bras and making your boobs, push them up, make them look bigger, and all the things. So I was begging my mom for a bra before I ever needed one. The water the water bra. Oh yeah. I ever I was like, oh, I have no boobs. Can we go get a padded bra again? Because also I was like later, later bloomer in puberty. So I had a flatter chest while my friends had boobs and stuff like that. So tartied to that party year, had my own, you know, journey. And then senior year of high school. You blossomed. I decided. Oh, I didn't, I decided I'm only wearing sports bras.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

But also that's because I went through a different phase where I went from like wanting like bigger boobs to wanting to be like that super model thin, which is also not my body type.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Um, to having like no boobs, and so I liked that it flattened them out. So yeah, I've had an interesting journey in relationship with bras and my boobs and all the things and expressing myself with my boobs. Hey, it's I've never heard that before. It's a thing. It is. It's a thing. Like I had a therapist that was like, you should buy lingerie for yourself.

SPEAKER_04 29:36

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

To feel beautiful in your skin. And that could be that was really awkward at first, actually. I'm like, this is weird. And then I was like, oh, okay, this is a fun little self-care practice. Anyways. I'd love to hear about your boobs. It's their time to shine.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Feel like it's always their time to shine. Yeah. They're there. They're there. Um, since I was nine, apparently, when they forcibly gifted uh my first bra by someone who thought it was time. Uh, I don't know. I don't remember what like they looked like, but they weren't bothering me at the time, so I didn't know. But I definitely like had boobs and like large boobs before everyone else. I got made fun of, actually. One boy was like, the bigger the nose, the bigger the boobs, which I'm just what where does it even come from?

SPEAKER_03 30:25

Kids are so ridiculous. And what? So savage.

SPEAKER_04 30:29

In fifth grade. I'm like, also, why are you thinking about my boobs so much, sir? Um, but anyways, I so my complaint specifically with sports bras for someone with a larger chest is like, okay, they've figured out how to like hold the underneath. How are we holding the top? Because then you spill out. I'm not well, but also I'm not doing a jumping jack. Like these things are gonna fly up and hit me in the face. Like I mean, yeah, that's you're right. I can jog, like they're bouncing when I jog, but like a forcible jump or whatever, like it's a lot, and they have weight, like yeah. Last I did weigh them one time, which is like not fully accurate because you can't detach them from your body, but they're each four pounds, so that's like almost 10 pounds of like when I'm doing like a box jump or jumping or whatever. Yeah, and the bra does not hold them down, yeah. So sports bras creators who are obviously listening to this podcast, and someone please invent a sports bra that like full coverage, full support.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

High support.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

Like I don't even whatever full coverage, but I guess yes, it's really full. But is it like a bra turtleneck? Like what? Because that's always my line. Like, I have cleavage in a turtleneck. Like yeah, they're that's true.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 31:50

Maybe this is your calling to invent a like boob shield.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Yes. There is a gap in the market.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

Yeah, I do know a fashion designer. Maybe he'll want to transition from hot couture to some very functional undergarment.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

We'll pitch in the idea later.

SPEAKER_04 32:11

Yeah, I'm sure he'll love it. Um, but I mean, aside from that too, like just different movements, even in a yoga class, like Savasna, Shavasana.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Shavasana, laying down.

SPEAKER_04 32:22

I'm laying down on my back, like they like there is pressure on my neck. Like, I also know a lot of women with larger chests who just you can't sleep on your back. It's not it's literally safe.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Little something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:34

Um, but different things where they're like moving or whatever, or like some you were talking about going to top golf, and like I like going to a driving range, but hitting a golf ball, like especially a drive with boot like it just can't happen. Totally doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

Yeah, and I think a good point you're making though, too, is like especially in athletic well, we're talking about sports bras and like athletic movement and different like um variations of movements that you're doing in exercises. Um, like I know someone that had a double mastectomy and then had implants put in. Any kind of belly-down pressure on the chest, so uncomfortable, needs modifications, yeah, things like that just because it doesn't feel good and in their body and things. And I'm as, you know, I don't have as large of boobs as you, but I still also feel discomfort in certain positions and certain things. Um, and then you get into the back pain situations and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

I'm so grateful. I don't have that. I think I mean you know I'm very muscular, but I think I just lucked out in like having enough quirks. Having the support, yeah, it's never bothered me. But I know people who've had reductions. Yes, and we too had to deal with all like even having like actual back surgeries because like I said, like this is 10 pounds just right here. Um, and it impacts our movement, it impacts you know how our bodies carry us, and so like it is like ha ha funny boobs, but like but also ha ha funny can be a hindrance.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

It's like that meme now. I don't know if you've seen it where it's like a mouse or a some sort of character, and they'll put on like you know, big long nail extensions, and it'll be like he he. And then the next one right next to it has no extensions, it's like not hee hee. And so it's like a nice supportive bra. Hee hee. Right, boobs flailing around, not supported, not hee hee.

SPEAKER_04 34:34

Right, right. And I just think like, yeah, bras in general, certain top sleep where like there is a meme about women sleeping in a tank top, like oh my god, yes, and wake up in the morning and like one is out the neck, one is out the arm. A thousand percent.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

They never stay in unless you're in like a really tight, like, but like, oh yeah, that's always a funny adventure. Yeah, you wake up and you're like, what was I doing last night? Right in bed dancing, my boobs fluttering around.

SPEAKER_04 35:02

Like, am I exhausted? Because yeah, yeah, what happened? Hilarious, but just so many things like uh under wires are awful, and I'm so happy that they're inventing more like real, like form-shaping bras that don't have that because the number of times I've been stabbed by one is more than once, and it never should have happened to me. Yeah, um, but I think too with 2020 and COVID and like never leaving my house for like a year, I stopped wearing underwire, I haven't worn underwire since then. Yeah. And um, I discovered these like jelly bras again, influenced by social media, but I love them. Yeah, um, they're supportive, they keep them up, uh, but there's no wire. Yeah, and I love that really like that, and they're comfortable. I've also really enjoyed the brand Third Love. They do like memory foam, so it's like soft and comfortable. Yeah. And like the straps feel nice and their sizing's really inclusive. I think they also even do like if your boobs are two different sizes, which is a that is a whole thing. You can get like two different cup sizes in one bra. And like, yeah, it's really nice and half sizes and different things.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

I love that. I need to check them out. I think that we need to normalize asymmetry in the body. As much as I like to pretend I'm gonna be perfect, uh I am full of asymmetries.

SPEAKER_04 36:25

Yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone's boobs are the same size, it's like a known thing. Yeah. But they're all the how different inside they are varies.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Yeah, and it varies by activity too. Um I know someone that recently is, you know, getting their boobs done, but they were an athlete. And so because of like using one side and one arm a lot more, there was a lot of like um asymmetry based on just like their sport as an athlete. And so they they were getting things a little bit more evened out, which is really cool. And I also I love to plug a plastic surgery or things like that. I just think that is one of those things that sometimes people are like, uh you've had work done, but impact someone's life in such a positive way and an empowering way. I just think that it's really cool that science and technology allow us to do those kind of things.

SPEAKER_04 37:11

Yeah. So no, I agree. And I think we could talk about bras for a really long time, but bras are not the only uh specifically active wear, but like really any kind of clothing that's made for women that wasn't really made for women.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:25

Um, so I know leggings is a hot button topic just in fitness in general. Like, are these squat proof? Like, are these roll-proof? Are these like, are they gonna move around while I'm working out? Like I need something that's gonna stay put.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

Stay put, and you know me. I gripe about it all the time. The camel toe chronicles. Okay, before I got those cutesy little camel toe thongs, yeah. I would send my friends every time I worked out the camel toe chronicles because, like, I'm sorry, that seam, it just has wants to be like sucked up in there, so it was just like inevitable. Um, but I think that they are working on designs that don't have the seam there. Yeah. Big fan. I do really actually love the camel toe thongs personally. Um, and I know they have some designs that aren't thongs, but I like it because it still feels like supportive in a way. It's just like I think a mental thing. Yeah. I was one that I would never wear underwear under my leggings anyway, so I would free ball athletic activities, don't care. Um, but I do like the camel toe underwear, but yeah. Annoying. But gosh. Get rid of the front seam and leggings, period. Literally for real. Yeah. It's uncomfortable. I don't want to say it doesn't look pretty because I think that that's um vulva shaming. Yeah. And I'm not about to do that.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

No.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

Um, I personally don't think everyone needs to run around seeing the shape of uh that on me. I'm not offended by anyone else. But yeah, let's like make designs that are made for women's bodies to empower them and compliment them. Also, while they're moving, like I personally have the good, like, I love to look cute in a cute set because just for my mental health, like it's a thing. But like functionality is key.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

Right. And also, you know, if when I'm in a kickboxing class and those shorts are riding up, not only is the camel toe having its moment, it's uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

And then I'm what? In these big gloves that I gotta try to take off a couple times in class to like pull it down so that it's not like, you know? So functionality. Things that stay put where you want them. For sure, as well as the aesthetics, but definitely.

SPEAKER_04 39:42

Yeah, well, and to just add an element, like I know this isn't exclusively women, but medical equipment again, like I can't wear every type of high-rise anything because some things can grab my sensor or my home site and rip it off. Like I've had leggings that don't stay put and rip everything out. I luckily have found something that doesn't have a front seam and doesn't seem to push my stuff around that I'm loving right now. But it's a journey to find things that work for your body shape. Like not everybody has the same shape, but or thighs or hips or belly, and every piece of clothing seems to be designed for a very consistent body. Like I know I struggled for a long time, like um, I don't want to say any of the stores because I don't shop at a lot of these anymore, and they may have changed. Um, but I would want to dress and it'd be super cute and it would have like this cute little boob, whatever. And like as the size went up, like the waist went out, but the boob part never got bigger. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

You're like, wait a second.

SPEAKER_04 40:51

So it's like I could wear this like extra giant plus size something to fit my boobs in, but the rest of my body wasn't extra giant plus size and didn't need that. Yeah. So like, can I afford to get everything I buy tailored? No, also just the time. Yeah. Tailoring isn't that expensive, and I do recommend it for certain things.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

But um But if you were to get everything modified, that is expensive, especially because, like, I don't know, even going to get a pair of jeans, which is probably the last thing you should be modifying just because that fabric is so thick and stuff, but like still the cost of all the things have gone up. And so then you're just still adding, like, even let's say something that's like $50 could then potentially be $70 worth whatever modifications you're getting done. So I mean that it adds up right still.

SPEAKER_04 41:40

I mean, I'm so glad to see that like more places have shorts and talls and all of that than they ever used to. Um, but there's so much more. Our shapes are so different, and how do we, you know? I think for me, it's just been finding companies that do fit my body. They might not fit your body or someone else, but they work for me and um and that. So I think too with leggings and moving on to other clothing items, pockets.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

Yeah, I get so excited when even dresses have pockets now, unless it's like really form-fitting body con, then I'm like, this is not flattering. Like, we don't need a pocket in here.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

Right.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

But like, wow, I have some gowns that are like wow, wow, wow, and they have pockets, and I'm like, yeah, a plus.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

Yeah. A plus. It's so nice. I mean, I think with workout stuff too, even having a pocket, having a place to put your key. Or for me, like I would love to go on a walk and not have to carry a bag that has like fruit snacks in it. Like I could stick that in a waste bucket or a pocket or something. Like a lot of times I wear hoodies just because I can put my phone, my keys, my fruit snacks, my whatever I need in that. So I don't have to carry a bag everywhere all the time. Yeah. Um, but I do think like there is some history behind pockets, and society not necessarily want women to like be able to carry their own things and have their own things or have witchy things on them, or whatever the politics of the time was. But like even when we do get pockets, sometimes they're really small or they're not functional, they're just for or they just look like pockets, but they're not. I know there's so many like trousers or pants. I've been like, cool, I'll just like rip the seam out and then I'll have pockets, and there's no pocket in there. How rude.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

I know. So sad.

SPEAKER_04 43:31

Yeah. So pockets, you know, fitting bodies differently.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

Yeah. So I we wore uniforms at the high school that I went to, and there were a lot of different discrepancies between what boys and girls and anyone in between would wear.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:52

And uh the boys' pants were like the little pleated, looser fitting like khakis, or they were in. Maybe they had the pockets or whatever. The girls' ones were these like form-fitted khaki pants with no real pockets, so ugly and uncomfortable and not practical. No. That I lived in my boyfriend's pants. Yeah. I would wear those with like, and even the girls' shirts, because we did wear skirts a lot. And so in order to not have to tuck them in, we would get bandaged shirts at the bottom. So which is practical for like if you're wearing the skirt.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

But like wearing that bandage shirt with a men's pants. No. I my mom, I remember I went through a phase where I like wasn't wearing any makeup and stuff either. And she's like, Can you please put on lipstick? You were literally showing up to school every day in your boyfriend's clothes because it was so comfortable. Yeah. So much more comfortable, easy to move, flow. You didn't have to worry about anything. Yeah. Like 10 of 10.

SPEAKER_04 44:50

Yeah. No, my mom is really tall. So she was like 5'11 girl. Yeah. And so she would buy men's jeans, or sometimes like the like teenage boys' jeans or whatever, because they were longer than what they had in the women's. And for me, like I've got a bubble butt. Yeah. Like if you're putting me in a women's form fitting pant, like no. You're you're gonna get plumber, but because all of this is not gonna fit in there. Yeah, I mean, I think it's the most is gonna have to be like gaping.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

I think maybe that's one thing that is good about the BBL fad is that the different proportions have allowed for butts now, more inclusive uh butt coverage in a way, you know, whatever the the fashion body goes, it goes in and out. But um that's so true though. Yeah. I grew up We normalize this one little body type that is not that common. Right. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah, great point.

SPEAKER_04 45:53

Yeah, luckily I grew up in the era of like multiple layered tank tops underneath everything. Ah, yeah. Um, and still do because I have to tuck that into my pants because my butt waist proportions are not the same, and so things don't fit the way they should. And I don't need to boon everybody. So I can't.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

I mean, we'd probably all enjoy it, but you should be comfortable in your clothes every day.

SPEAKER_04 46:18

Yeah. I also have like PTSD for like being in elementary school, and if anyone's butt crack showed while you're having like circle time on the carpet, like they were a persona non-grata for weeks afterwards. So kids, man. It was like worse than farting, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

Oh my gosh. Wild behavior. They are so mean.

SPEAKER_04 46:36

Uh uh, so okay. The final milestone I have, and this one to me is heavy. Um women were not included in medical research until 1991.

SPEAKER_02 46:55

But I think we should just have a tiny moment of silence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:59

But I will say this is not to exclude women who were tested on in other ways. I know black women were unfortunately tested on in horrific ways when it comes to gynecology and medications and things like that. Yeah. Um, and so though they weren't included in like formal medical research that we have today, yeah um, that is a real history in the United States and I'm sure elsewhere that deserves a moment as well. Um, but in general, in the United States for sure, um, medical studies excluded women. So I know heart attacks has been a big thing that most people have heard about. Like symptoms in women are different. And we only have known that since some point in the 90s or the early 2000s. Yeah. Many doctors still don't connect all of those dots. And so women often come in with heart attack symptoms, and nobody knows that's what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 47:54

Right.

SPEAKER_04 47:55

And they get sent away. Yeah. And there's so many other medical things, it just presents differently in women than in men, and we have um higher interest instances of um autoimmune disorders and things like that, and like understanding why and things like that, just we haven't caught up.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Yeah, definitely. And I, you know, I want to throw a little highlight to Pevolve, um, a functional fitness method uh that I'm trained in and coach, but one thing that is so unique about them is they are science research based. Yeah. They have put a lot of funding into researching the aging of women, and they specialize a lot of their online and specialty classes based on, you know, are you peri or postmenopausal? Are you pregnant? Are you going through IBF? Are you on a GLP one? All of these different things that you can experience and tailoring the workouts to that, but also going down to their fundamentals, the core of what they do being movement, longevity and like strength, stability, and mobility to support women at any age, especially like as we age, we, you know, have issues with bone density. So it's really important to add, like, it can be a low impact, but an impact, right? Like you might not be doing jumping jacks to the like most aggressive degree, but even doing like little step out taps and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Your brain is still getting the signal that you're getting the impact and it is gonna work on building bone density and things like that. So their entire method is about sustainability in creating the strength, stability, and mobility in the body for women. And we do get men and other gender identities in the class always welcome. Yeah. Always, always welcome. Um, but I think that that's one thing that sets them apart from other fitness methods is they've spent the time doing the research and the science backing um so that we can maximize results and longevity in women's bodies. And I think there's so much room for growth there too. Absolutely. Um, it's relatively new. Very new.

SPEAKER_04 50:18

Like all of the advice leading up to probably like the 90s was like thinness is healthy, um not you know, having huge bulking muscles on women and certain diet things. And now we know like the stronger you are when you're younger into your 30s and 40s, the better off you'll be as you age, the stronger your bones will be, the totally mobile you'll be as you get older older. So like now that it's shifted from like cardio thin only focus to building that strength and having that for mobility and longevity, which I think is great.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

I think you speaking to the nutrition part is really important too. Um, considering like reading some of the old little articles or ads where it would be like we have a wine and a cigarette and one olive, or like these ridiculous weird no-nutrient diets to stay thin or whatever. Like, I we can't remember the publication, but they exist. Go Google it.

SPEAKER_04 51:21

Oh, we did like a vision boarding session and had these like ancient magazines earlier this year. Wow. And they were so cool and beautiful to look at, but like the cigarette ads and like the alcohol ads were insane.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

Yeah, unhinged. And so I think it's really interesting the shift that we have experienced, I'd say, probably in the last, I don't know, five, ten years of one body inclusivity, body positivity, health at every size, yeah, focusing on strength versus you know the thinness type of thing. And you know, I think we're seeing in culture today where there we are starting to again get into romanticizing that like heroin chic ultra thinness. But then you get into all the research on like uh eating disorders and stuff and how those can they can literally kill you. You get heart issues and all of these different, you know, health issues when you're not getting the right nutrients, healthy fats, all of the things in in your diet to let your brain function at its highest potential and like just get throughout the day. Um, you know, the 2,000 calorie diet may be outdated and whatever, but your body does need a baseline of calories to function at its best. Yeah. And then the rest, you know, you can you can change based on your needs, based on your lifestyle, based on those things. Again, and just to say get a professional opinion is higher than a thousand calories. Just throwing that out. No, it is. Um, because even like I I have been on GLP1s, and something that they really emphasized is, you know, you have to change your eating habits. It's got to be healthy habits. You need to be eating 1,200 calories a day minimum, like bare minimum, so that you aren't like getting a super like dangerous drop in your metabolism and you just needing like that food and like that kind of thing. And it's so that's important. It's not, and I've seen disordered eating stuff, you know, and men and women, and again, everyone in between, that it's the aesthetic and or you know, however your body feels, right? Like sometimes, like I feel like at the holidays and around my birthday, like I've just been like treating myself, and then you feel little changes in your body where maybe it's just uncomfortable, but you're still in that healthy range and like whatever. But I think it's important to note that women have had a lot of pressure of that for sure. Um and I I appreciate the shift, and that's something that I'm mentally battling. Um, not necessarily bad battling, but going through a journey that ebbs and flows every day is you know, staying focused on health and being strong and something that's more sustainable versus how many of my ribs show today? Yeah. Do my obliques pop when I go like this at this one angle? You know what I mean? Like it's a day-to-day journey. Absolutely. Um, yeah, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:16

And there's constant pressure, just I mean, on social media, on TV, on if you're consuming any kind of media or content, like truly the only way to escape it is to consume no media or content, which is possible, which is a choice and is commendable. It's a choice, but um it's hard. But like even conversations with people, the way people talk, the language that we use, like it's ingrained, especially I think for people who grew up in the 80s and the 90s for sure. Yeah. I mean every generation before that too, but yes, it's gotten better. Yeah, it's far from perfection, but it's totally, I think, since the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 54:55

And I think it's reflecting on like how can you be better? I um I had a little tough pill to swallow, not last summer, but the summer prior when I did my Hip Pilates training at M3. Um, and this actually spurred a lot of like internal work with, you know, my body image things and my disordered eating things and all the things about how can we be inclusive in our language and body positive in our language, especially in the fitness realm when a lot of people's goals are wanting to lose weight and someone being like, oh my gosh, like I lost 40 pounds. Yeah. Or whatever the number is, having the idea given to me that the response that could be neutral and impactful is, is that good or bad? Instead of like, oh my gosh, that's amazing. When or how do you feel about that? I've had friends that have lost weight, and it's because they are going through their most stressful moments, their eating disorder is super active, and I've made the mistake in the past. I learned from it being like, oh my God, you look amazing. And my friend being like, I'm miserable. And then I'm like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 56:04

Right, or a cancer diagnosis, totally, you know, some mystery illness or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 56:09

So approaching things with curiosity, trying to see kind of the biases that we have based on our own stuff that we project um and how we've been conditioned because it has been such like a loud signaling and conditioning that we've had, you know, almond moms, all the things. Um, but that's something that I still think about on a regular basis of like, is that good or bad? Um, because I've actually been that person that's been like, oh my God, I've lost this much weight. And it's like, oh, it's a reframe and it's humbling. And I think that it's just I think it was to me, it was a really impactful little piece of the training that we did.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

Um, and it's something that I I do think about regularly and try to continue to embody um, not just when I'm in the fitness setting, but all the time throughout my experiences, approaching things with more curiosity instead of producting projecting my narrative on somebody else.

SPEAKER_04 57:02

Yeah.

unknown 57:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:02

It's hard. It is hard, totally. It's a lot because we're the center of our own universe, and that's what I think of 24-7.

SPEAKER_04 57:08

Live in our brains. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um, but no, it's good that you're working on that. And it's good that like in society we seem to be improving. Like you said though, we may be taking a step back in some areas because you're right, like the thin thin is in again. Um, but hopefully, you know, if you're in community with us and you're listening to this, you know, this is a space where we appreciate everybody.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

Diversity, variety. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:37

It's part of nature. Thin does not equate to health. I mean, as someone who lives in a world um where diabetes is front and center, I've done a lot of work with people with all types of diabetes and experience people who get misdiagnosed because they're thin and they have type 2 diabetes, and their doctor refuses to believe that that could possibly be what they have, or people in bigger bodies who are diagnosed with type 1 later, doctors refusing to believe they have type 1, and then they're really in a bad treatment program because you need insulin and your doctor doesn't want to give it to you because they don't believe you have type 1. Yeah. Which there's tests for that, and it's crazy that people aren't getting the appropriate tests, but that's a whole nother issue. But like thinness is not representative of health. Um and there are people in bigger bodies who are extremely healthy. Um, if you're looking for an amazing role model, I think I've talked about her before, but Jasmine Stanley is an incredible yoga teacher who's on social media. Um, and she was just talking today, she's going through something that, yeah, right. Or I mean, I think asking someone if it's good or bad, if they if they share it with you, or just asking how they feel, or if you notice a change in their body being asking how they how they're feeling. Yeah. Um, and maybe they'll open up or maybe they won't, or whatever. We're all at different comfort levels with where our body's at.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

But yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_04 59:02

So that's the end of my little list of goods, history, wellness milestones.

SPEAKER_02 59:08

Again, very short, very high level, just a few little like treats.

SPEAKER_04 59:12

Um things that I knew it would be interesting for us.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Yeah. I would love to hear if anyone knows of other things.

SPEAKER_04 59:18

I mean, obviously, we can do more research, but I thought about adding like Title IX and like a whole bunch of things.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

Yeah, and things that like have impacted you or you found really fascinating. Um and, you know, it doesn't, it also doesn't have to be linked to women either. Um, we're here for all the listeners to share their experiences down in the comments and create the community. Um, but we do want to thank you for listening for Women's History Month and holding the space for us and you know, all women identifying humans in the world. So and all the different bodies that come along with it. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

And I guess we'll catch you next time.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:53

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