Episode 11: I'm Okay--The World is Wrong!

Recorded on Thursday, April 16, 2026.

In this episode, we invited our friend and neighbor Mario to join our conversation!  What's better than three old, cranky queens talking trash? 

Topics include: Artemis 2; Anthony's surgery, Katy Perry problems, the hypocrisy that is Bryon & Kristi Noem, "transmaxxing", "furries" and why we should care about the transgender community.

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Music: Stick The Landing by Everet Almond

Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

Four three two one it be low as drifting falling floating waitless calling calling home I got a horrible voice but anyhow they're back yes we are back the astronauts are back Mario or Togenos but yes the air we're back too and we're back bigger and stronger than ever well I haven't come back yet this is my first time yeah wait until I come back no we're we're back but we're back with you bigger and stronger than ever welcome to the long way out well thank you I'm Carlos and we have a guest here today our friend and neighbor Mario well hello people hello there me and I'm Anthony and uh the three stooges so the astronauts are back and wow pretty cool thank god they l they they landed safely yes you know yes um you know I I always thought that when they would come down you know they got the parachute but they had those big balls that so that so that the um the capsule it really doesn't go underwater it you know it's a gentle splashdown you would think that something coming from up there would would go and go underwater and then come up. Yeah my guess is gravity would take over and uh starts to weigh more as it the capsule's in encased in air in oxygen or whatever air it's gonna keep it it'll come back up it'll go down whatever though but then whatever's inside of it's gonna bring it back to the float to the oh yeah and then they get these big floaty balls too that were on it you know but what I'm saying is you know you would think that something coming down would go underwater like when we go in the water. Yeah you know you you go in and then you come back up you know that doesn't nowhere near that it was a gentle phone that was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Yeah what was really cool are those photos that they took too yeah you know and I think one of the one of the most touching stories about that whole thing um when they were looking at the craters on the moon and they wanted to um I guess the brightest crater that they found they wanted to name it after uh one of the astronauts um uh wife wife wife uh she recently died right yeah she died and and I think um what he said was I'll always love you to the moon and back how beautiful this is right I know and I just that was very touching like when when I saw that I was like brought a tear to mind amazing it was pretty amazing he did it they named it after her I guess right I uh the thing is to you know actually getting into a spaceship and leaving earth to me it's like you know it's like losing an eye when you you're just leaving it and then you go back and you're looking down on her and saying I want to go back home this is ridiculous to be in space for one thing. Yeah no kidding yeah and that's that's just like blind one for me because I don't I'm grounded here to be thinking to if ever we had to leave the earth that would not be me. I'll be in the back of the line and and if somebody else comes back then I'll just keep going back and back and back until until I'm not going.

SPEAKER_06 3:35

Yeah I don't think it's gonna happen in our lifetime man I would I would love like blast me up blast me up I don't know about that I mean no but but just think can you imagine like being out there and like like like right now look out the windows right pretend we're in a spaceship look out the windows and like Earth is right there and it seems close you know the you know when when you it's not like we look up to the moon.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

Yeah you know it seems real close to them when they're up there you know yeah but the other thing too imagine the space that they had with four people right and remember they kept they I think they were worried about the toilets not working?

SPEAKER_00 4:15

Oh yeah yeah well you know what the woman the lady uh astronaut got out there and fixed it or I don't know if she left the uh left the capsule or whatever but she fixed it she was a plumber on board oh wow we thank god for her the guys were lucky to have her she had to leave the spaceship and go outside of the spaceship to fix it I don't think she did oh I don't know I hope not no sometimes they had to do outside repairs I mean they're hurling through space pretty quickly right and and depending on the gravity of the moon to kind of hold them in and then hurl themselves back to Earth.

SPEAKER_06 4:51

Yeah I know it's crazy. You know just to think right the way that they go up you know it's all um like rocket propelled to get them up there. You know remember the old the old what were they Apollo's you know they they used to put the plane on the what were those? I'm not sure yeah you remember the the the we had the rocket with the plane attached the spaceship attached to those what was that um was it Apollo were those Apollo I that might have been Apollo no what were those called oh god dude Voyager yeah but there was one called Voyager there was one that I know you're talking about they yeah they they take off on the back of a rocket and then once they get out of out of orbit then they take then that thing blasts up they say they have more of a space shuttle but space shuttle the space shuttle remember those oh yeah the the gravity of the earth is not you know it's not like actually forcing them giving you know a lot a lot more power to get off yeah once you're out there they take off and they can actually take off yeah they they don't need that uh that that big thing anymore you know it just came so fast so fast I mean there were there were a lot of moments that I enjoyed about it but is it awful for me to say that I wasn't really that into it because there's so much shit going on like that took over. Well you know what the the they they say that because of that a lot of the stuff that was going on in the world you know people only focused on the beginning like the the the liftoff in the landing yeah everything in between like you know there was just so much going on yeah with the wars and you know who's fighting with who and who's you know and all that stuff going on in the world you know so you had your surgery last week. I did I did a week ago yesterday yeah it was Thursday man move I'm feeling better you know um it's just amazing that the pain that I was in fast amounts the surgery yeah and like it was gone instantly as soon as I left that building.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_06 6:50

Yeah it I mean I was in pain.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

You were you couldn't even move out of bed it was horrible.

SPEAKER_04 6:56

Yeah interesting that you said that the s the sciatic uh pain was worse than your surgical pain.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Yeah yeah yeah yeah but was it sciaticus or was it something else?

SPEAKER_06 7:09

Was I thought it was no it was no it it was I had between my L4 and L5 I had uh a cyst the size of a uh he told me um a pencil eraser okay you know there was a cyst in there you know like the size of a pea and that was causing the pain and that yeah that little bastard like put me out and those tend to keep growing over time.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

It was brutal.

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Oh I know I I had one on my wrists oh yeah that's right and they hurt right after a while they started yes it did my hand would go no really I'm a lefty too that's that was and and this was in my back in my spinal cord yeah you know like right along your spine so we're putting pressure right just in the right place and it goes down that nerve. So and it caused some weakness sometimes.

SPEAKER_06 7:55

Yeah who diagnosed that was it did they did they say it was sciatica what happened was um I had the sciatica and and I was feeling it in my knee and I had the you know I called my knee doctor and I said I don't know if the pain is coming from my knee or my back I says but I can feel my knee is numb you know and the pain is in my knee. It goes right down to the back of my knee you know I wasn't sure where the pain was coming from so he ordered an uh an x-ray you know and he didn't see that my my knee moved or anything everything was in the same spot he said but what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna I want to get you an MRI so he sent me out for an MRI on a Saturday he had me in his office on the Thursday so right so Saturday was the MRI Thursday was the consult with the surgeon and the following Wednesday I was under the knife. Yeah it happened though that fast it was very quick.

SPEAKER_04 8:55

Yeah well he seen the condition I was in like I crawled into his office I mean between that he was like oh we'll send you to PT and maybe you should go see a chiropractor and I was like I don't know about that yeah freaks me out that that was that was the uh my that was my my primary care doctor that sent me there it wasn't my knee doctor oh okay yeah that was your broker yeah yeah I don't know I mean I'm not talking shit about chiropractors but they have their they have their place they do have their but like when anybody like fucks with your back though like a neurosurgeon chiropractor like there needs to be a good fucking reason why you're doing that shit right and they how much do they know about about the damage you have though I mean when they go in there do they know exactly what's going on to to even like you mean like the chiropractor?

SPEAKER_06 9:43

Yes I don't then that's my thing right I don't think the guy the the chiropractor gets to look at your MRI.

SPEAKER_04 9:49

No no I don't know I don't even know if they understand how to read them because that's not how they're tra I don't think their training involves that right yeah that's a science but that it is it is its own science right yeah but and I'm not talking crap about it. I'm just like uh I just feel like you should take a peek under the hood first and then do your thing. Or maybe maybe some chiropractors do from from what I've seen with one worked with them in the past and never involved anyway I went to three um physical therapy sessions and they were putting pressure making me stretch a certain way and bend a certain way where it was kind of aggravating it more.

SPEAKER_06 10:35

You know I mean you know he was doing sit down here you know and um damn yeah I'm glad I don't go there anymore.

SPEAKER_04 10:45

I know now you now you're good. Yeah you know but you know who's not doing really good right now? Who's that? Katie Perry who oh my god like I I'm not sure how to feel about that whole thing. So what happened was there was this woman in Australia she was an actress here I think she was in Orange is in New Black she was in Batwoman she she was in a lot of shows here in the States her name is Ruby Rose and she said that 15 years ago was uh 2009 2010 Katy Perry sexually assaulted her and it came up when Katy Perry was at Coachella with Justin Trudeau and they were watching um Justin Bieber set and then she made a comment about it and and Ruby Rose basically made the comment like who gives a shit she sexually assaulted me nobody gives a shit about that or who gives a shit about what she thinks and that in like started this firestorm now yeah now to the point that now Australian officials are are involved oh yeah now there's an invest like an official investigation as a result of this yeah and so of course Katy Perry's people was fight or they're fighting back and they're like no she's lying this is not true um well you know the the way they do lawyers speak but anyway Ruby Rose also has a reputation for being a liar a pathological liar you know because she has she has made claims on other sets and TV shows that she's injured herself and like trying to get workmen's comp. Like I mean we're talking insurance fraud type shit you know but I mean she could be a dirt bag and still be sexually assaulted right so I had to dig a little bit to find out what the what this whole thing was about. But basically they went out to a nightclub um I forget what it was but in Melbourne Australia they were a little well a lot of drunk you know and I think people there were like oh you know they're public figures they can't be seen like this you know so they sent them back to the hotel and then at one point Katy Perry's vagina ended up in Ruby Rose's face and then Ruby Rose fucking pukes on her little from the that would make me do it too though yeah you know don't put that in my face that's a good one that's no that's a pretty witty comeback Mario I like that but like but but I I guess I guess you know Katy Perry has a reputation for being a creep too right because there was a video that I just watched um with Anna Kendrick one the actress uh Anna Kendrick uh she was in an interview in 2014 with Conan O'Brien and she just talked about how katy berry katy perry finger banged her cleavage you know and I know like and I was like wait what what's finger banging cleavage I had to use my imagination I was like oh yeah yeah you like that like I know downward banging instead of the cleavage when does the word no come in there I mean just like oh okay it feels good but you're not supposed to be doing that but that's the thing right so but the way Anna Kendrick was saying in the interview she was probably like oh I probably deserve that but you know that was a response you know but there's a thing right so we were talking earlier Anthony and me about how like women women are open about their breasts and stuff yeah yeah but but is it I've seen women like you know touch each other's breasts and stuff like that. Yeah and just be like oh yeah those those do feel real when they get like near breasts. I've seen I told you I've seen you know we'd be in in my backyard having a family barbecue you know a few friends over and and um you know I've seen it happen where you know uh my ex-wife would be you know somehow the conversation of boobs come up you know oh I don't know what happened was um my wife had both her boobs removed you know she had the mastectomy and she got new ones yeah and my my sister was like come over here let me see what they feel like you know and it's your sister in law it wasn't anything sexual you know and then um and then uh my wife said to Michelle I could have borrowed some of yours you know because she's like this you know what I mean and then and then my sister was like yeah these are these are watermelons you know what I mean they're playing you know it it's it was different you know but that's different right but but no but but if they were stars and that content came out and nobody's seen the beginning portion of it yeah like you know oh yeah she grabbed mine and says these are watermelons it depends on how it starts it depends on the context that's right right so a lot of these no I'm not gonna say a lot I only read about a few and I can't I'm having trouble remembering right now but there was the there was the uh finger banging of the cleavage you know there was the vagina in the face um there was uh there was a time when Katy Perry got a 14 year old boy up on stage who had never been kissed before and she kissed him like but I guess basically like yeah like none of this was done on with anyone's consent.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Can you imagine if a if a man was doing that to to I mean if it was a man and not a woman a man going over and going to kissing a 14 year old girl not even knowing that person or even I mean just going up to another man not knowing that man and putting his whatever in front of his face you know that's you'll you'll see it on the news it'll even go further than just oh yeah you know oh you might just I got harassed. Somebody's gonna go to jail might just go straight to jail.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

Exactly you know but the whole problem with the Ruby Rose thing so of course people some people believe her a lot of people don't believe her.

SPEAKER_06 16:51

Right.

SPEAKER_04 16:52

You know I don't know what the figures are for that. But same thing with Katy Perry. People are like you know what Katy Perry like you know you have a history of being a shitty person too right so like so basically the when I'm reading about it, you know, they're both seen as both shitty people doing shitty things right or shitty things can happen to you for being you know whatever right but that yeah so they can't talk about it now because now there's uh an official investigation and there's and Ruby Rose is claiming that there's witnesses and that were there in the and this was back in 2010 for fucking this is in the hotel room in the bedroom or at a party I don't I that's the thing I can't with that camera crew there like right I I I think that was before OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_06 17:44

That just goes to show you gotta be careful in every fucking thing you do. You cannot seriously you cannot even play with somebody that you like that you know even if you know them you know you really can't you know God.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

But talking about cleavage you know this past week you know well let me stop you for a minute.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Oh yeah about boobs anything over a mouthful is a fucking waste but see I I grew up this way okay um I I let people know that I you know I I I I'm homosexual but still I I like boobs okay I do like female boobs and I tell that to a lot of my girlfriends uh I mean I say not girlfriends like in dating whatever but they're just friends who are girls and and they throw them in my face. I mean they will they would grab my head and and it'll like they motorboat yeah motorboat me and I'm like no can't be doing that and I'm like why don't you love them but that's not the point you just can't be putting people's faces in your boobs like that. You know and they're like but you said you like them. I'm saying I like them I'm not actually acting on it the other one is shoving in my face and I don't like that.

SPEAKER_04 18:52

And it's not like you're giving getting my consent to shove my face into your tits. You don't have that you don't have that right all but anyway we're on a boobs because we're talking about boobs you know boobs there is something about boobs that gets men's attention whether you're gay or strange. It just does.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

The itty bitty titty committee I wasn't breathfed as a child my mom gave me formula and I mean I just I mean and that maybe that's what it what's going on in my head I missed it or maybe something you're like I wish I should maybe maybe I should have sucked on some boobs and but I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 19:26

I I wasn't breastfed either no no I think I was hooked up to a keg of beer okay so we see a pattern here we're all gay because oh god but anyway the the about boobs Brian Gnome and Christy gnome so brian gnome not too long ago I guess someone leaked that he likes to dress up as a woman with some big ass boobs and put on a show for like the camera. So whoa yeah but the thing is like so Christy gnome was the former head of DHS the Department of Homeland Security right and her husband Brian you know I mean we should have we should have known there was something wrong with him because his name is spelled B-R-Y O N. What the fuck kind of spelling is that but anyway like um but yeah there are pictures of him with like like I I can I don't even know what the size of the breasts are but they they look humongous.

SPEAKER_06 20:29

Really?

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Yeah what like he he has he wants them but he wants something like that.

SPEAKER_04 20:34

Yeah what were they were did he have them done? No no no they were like they were just like a costume oh okay but they were in like in a tight shirt. Yeah and it looked real and he and he put on shows for people like that was his case. No shit. Yeah and he was paying sex workers like yeah like upwards of tens of thousands of dollars when doing this yeah and then I think one of the women that worked with him or whatever I can't remember the details leaked it just in time right because they noticed that Christy gnome because here's the problem with the administration right she's so God fearing yeah and she's such a Christian with her perfect Christian marriage and their X amount of kids I think three kids you know are there photos Oh yeah they're photos please you could you could totally you could totally see them they have this they have this Christian marriage it's supposed to be perfect. They talk about how God fearing and and you know God God God and everything and I have a problem with that okay because here you are um talking this shit and you're you're like I don't care that you have a fucking kink you know but um don't be a hypocrite. That's yes. Right? That's don't tell me how to live. Don't tell other people how to live.

SPEAKER_06 21:53

When it's under happening under your own hood.

SPEAKER_04 21:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:57

Oh but it doesn't stop there because She was also having an affair and she was banging her number two at DHS before and desking. Are they getting divorced or anything? I have no idea. Probably not, because they have to have the perfect Christian marriage. You know? So when she lost her position, right? At DHS, um, I guess Trump was gonna give her another position. You know, that fucking of the Shield of the Americas horse shit that made up was it her? The Shield Council was what oh I don't know what it was. I can't remember. I can't remember because sometimes I get her mixed up with Pam Bondy because they're both assholes, right?

SPEAKER_03 22:41

It's some sort of some sort of council.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Let me see if I can find these breast photos of God.

SPEAKER_06 22:48

Yeah, see, this is so he wears makeup in the whole bit, right?

SPEAKER_04 22:52

Oh yeah, he probably does. He goes. Here's from the Daily Mail. Oh wow. Wow, right? Look how big those tits are. They're not even shit.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

They're not even not even.

SPEAKER_04 23:09

They're asymmetrical.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

He does like boobs. But he's all up in it, right? Isn't that funny? You know, that just brings me.

SPEAKER_04 23:17

It is crazy because look, there's more. Oh wow. I know, but look, that's that's like not even real. That's like and he makes that little pucker face to go with it.

SPEAKER_06 23:29

Oh my god. Yeah, and people apparently but at what point that brings me to this.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

Oh, and there's the booty. Booty booty. Oh wow, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's it's wild what what's going on there. But anyway, don't tell us how to fucking live. Don't vilify the trans community. How are they explaining this? They're not. They're trying to avoid it because now she can't even keep a job. She no longer has one. Wow. Because the administration won't put up with that, right? Or maybe the I don't know. There's probably more to that. What picture do you have there?

SPEAKER_06 24:04

The one that I sent you.

SPEAKER_04 24:07

About a trans person?

SPEAKER_06 24:09

Yeah, yeah. It's um well, what it what it was on Facebook I seen it, and it, you know, uh, the headlines were like, What's this? You know? Yeah. Um, but it's just I I hate to say it, but he looks like a clown. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

He looked like yeah, he looked like a circus clown.

SPEAKER_06 24:26

Yeah, you know, and Carlos says, you know, you be you. But what what okay, be you, but what are you trying to be?

SPEAKER_00 24:32

You know, what is that?

SPEAKER_06 24:33

I mean, that's not yeah, but what do you mean? Whatever you want to be. That's that's just not natural looking.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

What happens with that is that people go out looking like that and they want to be accepted, okay? But not everybody's gonna look at that and say, okay, you can be my best friend, or you know, I'm gonna bring you to my my my home and you're gonna have dinner with my family because you know, we're gonna accept you.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

I mean, look at the look at the lips, the way the lips are highlighted. He's got big lips highlighted, they're glossy.

SPEAKER_04 25:00

He's got the he he just doesn't eyebrows, he has a beard. How to make up with the beard.

SPEAKER_06 25:05

Yeah, okay. I mean, you know, are you do you want to be a guy or do you want to be a woman?

SPEAKER_03 25:10

They could be both if they want.

SPEAKER_06 25:12

People need to just look at it.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

But we gotta be careful with that too, because they also see people who want to be animals. I mean, they they dress up as dogs or cats, and they're out there with this uh the butt plug in their ass with it with the collar of the tail. I mean, no, I'm serious. I mean, do you accept that? I mean, do you take it, do you take that person to uh to school with you and and I mean like an elementary school with his kids and I mean and introduce them as uh this is normal. You could be you could be just like this if you want to be, you know, and I get extra butt plugs too feet if you want them. How do we know that they're butt plugs?

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Come on.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

I see them, but they put them in their ass'ta tail. So yeah, they did that's how they holy shit.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

No, they do not do that. They don't you're gonna prove it. They can't be a butt plug. Stop it. Get into the mic for the okay, sorry. For the furries.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

I'm gonna show uh Carlos. This tail that's actually uh up to his butt.

SPEAKER_04 26:05

No, like literally, like the they get it gets held by the booty?

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Yes, it's in there, yeah. And yeah, and they treat it like a tail.

SPEAKER_04 26:12

They can't just wear it on the outside of their pants like a costume.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Well, they are somebody that would cost them that do have that, but then this is like where they go to the extreme and they want to be this animal. So they want this to be a part of their body.

SPEAKER_04 26:25

I think those are called furries, right? Like the furries, furries, okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Yeah, they they they they have like hoofs on their hands because they don't have or paws. They don't have yeah, they don't have paws, they don't have paws. So they if they want to be a horse, they got hoofs and they got with all that leather and all that stuff too.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

And wow, I'm clueless about all this. This is crazy. I know.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Bizarro, but anyway, yes.

SPEAKER_06 26:49

I I wish we had visual, and you know, so people I know this is when we want video, so we can but we will start that one day.

SPEAKER_04 26:56

But anyway, with the furry community, there was this whole thing that they were shitting in cat boxes and things like that and peeing in them, and that the school they were doing. I was like, I don't know where people uh yeah, like I don't know where people not elementary and I I don't know what level, but it still I don't know where people are coming with this bullshit. That's not happening. Come on, that can't be happening.

SPEAKER_06 27:19

Like well, you know what's going on again is um you know people are starting to change the bathrooms, you know, back to men's and women's.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

I'm seeing I found some pictures. Kyle still doesn't believe that this is the way it goes, but I'm gonna show it to him. It's the way it goes. Okay. Head to toes. This is a butt plug with a furry furry tail on it.

SPEAKER_04 27:40

So this is a furry costume. Oh wow, you can buy this at Amazon.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

You can buy anything on Amazon.

SPEAKER_04 27:48

Butt plug, foxtail, cosplay, anal plug, anal butt plug, adult, adult sex toys for Wow, that's a beginner level. Can I see that? Can you show me the picture?

SPEAKER_03 28:00

It is. It's give me a picture. Because I'm gonna get you this for your for Christmas.

SPEAKER_04 28:04

I'm gonna buy you one. Holy shit, that is a butt plug on the other side. And they walk around with it.

SPEAKER_06 28:09

You're gonna feel like you're gonna take a shit all day. Well, well, I guess you have to get used to it. I just can't be right. My God.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

There's so many things out there. You can't be that. I mean, I um I mean I've seen a lot, and I and I'm I'm on the computer all the time. When I when I want to find something out, I find something out. I go and I do my research.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

God damn, this is my favorite picture. You see her from behind. There's the tail. What is happening? And they come in black, gray, yellow, purple, and a rainbow.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

And they they do stay in character though. They they they want to be a donkey or horse or a dog. I mean, they they don't talk, they bark at you, or they make other weird noises, and and they stay on their on all fours.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

Get the fuck out of here. I don't know how it is. I need to see this. Wow, okay, wow. You can do shit.

SPEAKER_05 29:03

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 29:04

There's like a porno pick here.

SPEAKER_06 29:06

It is holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 29:08

So you're on Amazon. Yeah. I I wow, mind blown.

SPEAKER_06 29:12

Hey, you know, see you right, check it out. What we're talking about, what we're doing right now. This is what Howard Stern wanted to do years ago, and they kept taking him off the air.

SPEAKER_04 29:23

Really? Yeah. Oh, nowadays that's whatever he's done is pretty fucking miles.

SPEAKER_06 29:27

Yeah, no, no shit, right? Right. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

But I know because there's three guys in the room now who are acting like a bunch of fucking frat boys and shit.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Right. Right. A senior citizen frat boy.

SPEAKER_04 29:41

I know, right? So yeah. So so that whole thing with Brian Gnome, like I said, like everybody could have their kinks. Even that guy, you know, with his lots of makeup and his beard and everything else, you know, it it might not make you feel comfortable, but it's not about you. No, it's not. That's just my opinion, right? Because I saw I went to Trader Joe's the other day, and I swear everybody that worked there that had a Trader Joe's tag was a trans of some sort.

SPEAKER_06 30:11

How would you feel? Okay. How would you feel if if this man and woman, this trans person He doesn't know which way to go. He can okay, and you're the dad. All right. So he's gonna take Bobby home to meet the family. Okay, and then next week he's gonna take Susan home to meet the family. Which way, you know what I mean? You can go any way they want though. That's all.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

But at at what point are the parents, you know, like I don't know, but look okay, like like he just said, he's Bobby one one moment, then he's Susan the next moment. But who knows if he wants to be grandma all of a sudden, or like I said, maybe something else, uh a fly on the wall. I mean, uh, or whatever. He's no longer human now, he wants to be something else. I mean, if it was my uh okay, I don't have any children, uh I never will have any children, but if I had a son or a daughter like that, and that and like you said, confused, then yeah, I would maybe s suggest counseling. And I'm not saying the counseling is gonna like make that person straight or or even think straight. Try to find out what that person wants. Yeah. You know, that try to get that person to figure out what you know where he wants to stand if she wants to stand. It you can't be just all over the place. I mean, because uh eventually that's gonna go on to the later years when he this person's a senior citizen or 90 years old and he's still looking like a mess. Right, right. Let's get that mind um right.

SPEAKER_04 31:40

But the but the thing is, it's not it's really not up to us, right? It's not our children, it's their children. That's something that should be discussed with the family, and you know, and they'll they'll manage it.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

And that's what that's what I'm saying, though. Yeah, that they should be managing it, but still let's get that person um in in the right sense of mind. You know, let's ask them what that person wants. What do you really want out of this? What you know, what are you looking for? Where what are you most comfortable? Are you comfortable being that uh Bobby? Are you comfortable being Susie? Can't be are you comfortable being both? Uh and then you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:14

I've never ran into a situation like that. Like um, you know, I no, I have ran into situations like that. And and these are with patients in mental health facilities, uh, personalities disorders, or or do they have multiple personalities? But it I wouldn't go as far as say that's what that is.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

You did call it a disorder though, okay. But then you put that word in there.

SPEAKER_04 32:37

No, personality disorder, that's separate. I'm saying but it's not but it's not for someone who is trying to figure out if they're in the wrong body. Remember how it was when when it was about being gay, and that used to be the thing, right? That was wrong. Um, remember that, okay? And remember how confusing that was. Being trans, forget it. I I don't even know how you would navigate that.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

No, I know. I mean, but that person, yeah, yeah, yeah. That person said, Yeah, my mind's female, but my body's male. Yeah. And that's why I want to be female. That maybe, okay, I could understand that a a bit. I'm not saying I understand it completely, but I'll say, okay, then then let's let's let's set that person in the right direction. Then let's okay, you want to be a woman? Let's talk about that. Let's let's you know make you a female if you want to be a female. Let's you know, give you the the characteristic of that. But then I know somebody who did that and then fell in love with a woman. He wanted to be a woman, but then all of a sudden he went and got himself involved with another woman, and then he decided not to be a woman anymore. He decided he went all male. And that made me like, okay, people are just choosing what they want to do, or maybe they like to see somebody else doing it and say, Oh, I'm gonna try that, and then say, Oh, that's not for me. So that's a little far over the edge for me to say, you know, I'm gonna try to be a woman, even I'm just gonna try to be a woman, see if I like you.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

I don't know, because I have I I I don't know how that is.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

Like I have no desire to sound like they don't have any boundaries anymore. To be a woman at all, you know? I don't have that. I don't have a desire to be. I'd like to being I'm a gay man, I'm a man. I love being a man.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

Did it though?

SPEAKER_06 34:17

It did. Like that's what made that's yeah, given yeah, DEI is what brought out the flamboyancy of what what you're seeing right here.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

I I I I don't know if it has something to do with it. Absolutely. But everyone should have the freedom to be who they are.

SPEAKER_06 34:35

Well, absolutely, absolutely. But there's gotta be a point, like Mario said, I wish I wish that uh our viewers could see this picture of this and it's tough to describe.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:49

You know, you have to really look at it. Um when that person is ninety years old, he it's it's not going to and that's another thing. Like right now I'm saying it. I don't know if it's a a man or a woman. Them. Them.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

They.

SPEAKER_06 35:07

They all right. Well, so you don't know, but how do you say they when it's a per it's one person? Or them when it's one person.

SPEAKER_04 35:17

Well, that's how we talk in the English language anyway. Them? Yeah, like when you say so-and-so is in the bathroom, maybe they are in the bathroom. Oh, that's they that's they are.

SPEAKER_06 35:28

Yeah, right. But but what I'm getting at is at 90 years old, what what what what route is where like where what's what's the final outcome? What uh are you are you still gonna have want the fat lips getting injections when you're 90? Okay. Okay. Let me ask you.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

And you're still gonna be Let me ask you this. How does it affect you at all? It it doesn't. And no, but that but this is just why does it bother you so it so much bother me so much?

SPEAKER_06 35:56

It's a conversation we're having. It doesn't bother me.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Okay, but this is what I'm gonna say. What's the what statements he's making? Okay, what's what is he trying to get across to most people when he when you're saying it shouldn't bother me, but he's putting it out there in public. Now he's in my eye. Okay, and then sometimes they're not just in your eye, but they're in your private space too. And they'll bump into you and you say, Oh, excuse me, sir, and then you smack right back at you saying, I'm a man, and this thing looks like some hairy gorilla man that you know, for a wrestler even dressed for a drag, you know, and thinking, you know, oh, I'm gonna, oh sorry, I'm gonna respect you now for whatever thing, whatever you're coming across, okay, whatever you're putting out there, you know. I'm gonna say, Oh, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_06 36:36

They become combative.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

They do.

SPEAKER_06 36:38

They do.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

I don't think it's that easy, guys. Come on, but it's not that easy, but it is that bad. It happened to Bob, my husband. He banged it by accident, he he he he hit somebody and he turned around. And I mean, this guy this thing had like eight eight foot shoulders. Come on, he had arms like he worked on the gym. And Bob said, Sorry, sir, and he came right in his face. And my husband's like, you know, he's a small guy, and this guy was tall and and big, and all all in his face say, I'm a woman. I'm like, You're you're scaring me.

SPEAKER_06 37:10

Yeah. And that's the thing. You can't you, you know, a normal everyday uh bump into, or uh, I hold a door open for you, thank you, sir. And you're gonna get that kind of a response. That's what the thing is. Nobody knows what they are. Nobody knows how to address the person.

SPEAKER_04 37:28

Well, I mean, if you know them by name, you just address them by their name.

SPEAKER_06 37:33

But if it's a stranger, but it's they, them. If we go across the street to the restaurant, okay, us all three of us are walking in, and we hold the door open for the person. Okay, I'm the last one in, I'm holding the door open for the person behind me. And to me, that person looks like a man. And I and and um and I say, There you go, sir. And they cut and then they give you, I'm not a sir, I'm a woman.

SPEAKER_04 38:00

And they, you know, but why do you even have to say sir or ma'am? Just that's the way it is. Just say thank you, or after you're not gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Now you're changing your ways of seriously. Make us change whatever whatever it is that you you you you're saying, okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:14

Um But didn't you expect as a gay man, right? Because you're both in your 60s, okay? Like back in the day, you demanded your rights too.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

I didn't I didn't shove my my sexuality in front of nobody, okay. Okay, I didn't do that either, but and what I did was I accepted myself as a as a gay man. I w I didn't I wasn't putting it out there saying, Here's my flyers, you know, here my name is Mike Ferreira, I'm a gay man, and I want you to accept me. I didn't do that. I I accepted it on my own terms, being myself and my per and it to me is personal. Okay, and then and who would know be my family, my friends. I don't go up to strangers and and shove it in their faces. That's that you know, and maybe because I was afraid that you know they would tolerate you know they would like come back and punch me in the face because of it, but still, I mean I kept it to myself and I didn't dress like a woman.

SPEAKER_04 39:07

But that's different. That's the whole point that I'm trying to make. That's a different thing being trans, right? So if someone is transitioning from male to female or female to male, okay, it's gonna be difficult to hide certain aspects of that, okay? So, like if a man is dressing is is is really a woman, right? Born a male, but really a female, right, they're gonna want to appear as female, wear makeup, put on the clothes, okay? I s I still think they're worthy of respect. They have the right to do that.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

Of course. Well, no, who's being disrespectful at that point when they, you know, you you open a door for somebody and you and you just say, Oh, okay, you know, I'm I'm I I see a man. Okay, here he goes, sir, and then and then that person's gonna turn around and get all angry. That's that's they're losing respect for you because you were being the the nicest person by holding that door open to them. They could just turn back and said, Oh, I'm sorry, but uh um you know I'm I'm try I'm a tran or you know, instead of just getting really angry about it.

SPEAKER_04 40:13

Well, yeah, that could have been down to the person too. I'm sure not everybody's gonna respond.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Like I said, me as a gay man, I I live, I I walk out the door as a gay man, I go on the I get on the bus as a gay man, I go shopping as a gay man. You know, and and the and these trainers should do the same thing. They go along, you know, up that do their business, being whatever they want to be, but they just can't go out there with it with all this anger, trying to make a point with a lot of anger. It doesn't work that way.

SPEAKER_04 40:38

Well, I okay, I can I can understand what you're saying, but again, right, it's different for them, right? You and I can hide our sexuality. We don't have to be right out with it, okay. But like someone who's in the trans community is not gonna have that same luxury, is my point, right? Like that's what I'm trying to say. You know, it's gonna be hard for them to live the life to be true to themselves, yet we are granted that luxury, right? You see, and this is what we talked about in previous episodes, Anthony. Like how you know it is a different thing to be trans, because I don't understand it. I've never had to go through that. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

Um, but well, my nephew did. I had a I had a nephew that wanted to actually have his whole body chain. Um you had a cousin. He never got to have a cousin, yeah. He he never got to that point because he passed away. Um uh he did a lot of uh drag shows. Um he he dressed up, but he actually didn't take care of himself. Um he had boyfriends and and they were they were gay boyfriends and they they accepted him for what he was and stuff like that. But he didn't put it out there, he didn't go getting mad at people because they didn't accept him for it. He because that's his that's his um agenda. He that's what he wants to be. He shouldn't be out there saying, you know, I'm I'm this and everybody's gonna accept me for what I am or else. You know, that's not it. You know, that's not the society doesn't do that. They don't want they don't want people shoving their that their their belief in their faces.

SPEAKER_06 42:10

All right, so um, you know, we could talk about this for days. Yeah, we can for days. We got a lot to go over tonight.

SPEAKER_04 42:16

No, we can continue this conversation. You want to continue? Yeah, we can keep talking about it. Okay, I mean we've we've got there's so many things that could that can go along this vein, you know. Because you know, when Stonewall happened, right, that was because gay people wanted their rights. Okay. And remember there was a trans community then. Yes, it was right, and they're the ones who started that riot. Yeah, let's call it a riot. Right.

SPEAKER_06 42:44

It it was a different time, a different era, and it wasn't they weren't as flamboyant as what's going on now. I mean, they they're just like now it's it's just they're doing it is it's happening in a way it's kind it's it's kind of being chaotic, you know.

SPEAKER_04 43:03

But you don't think like it should just be the way it is? Like we should all be able to do that, right? We don't have to like it.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

No, we don't have to like it. Right.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

We don't have to like because my problem with it now, okay, because all you know what the the trans community is being vilified, they're coming for their rights now, you know. And in for example, in Kansas, they're taking away their driver's licenses now, okay? So they can't vote, they can't drive, they can't do a lot of things now. Okay, and now it's happening in other states. Okay, I can't name them all right now, but it's happening and it starts and it always starts with one group. And we should all pay attention and we should all give a shit. Because if if governments are allowed to for this to happen, okay, if they can make this happen for one group, what stops them to from coming after the other groups too? Like us. All right. The lesbian community, the gay community, the right women's rights. Right? Nothing stops them from taking away all those rights. And that's why we should speak up for those people. In my opinion. Whether you and you don't have to accept them for a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_06 44:23

I realize that, I realize that. But even the gay community is knows that that this type of transition with the craziness going on with them. It's making the gay community look they ha they're having issues with it. The gay community is having issues with it. I think the gay community they're not embracing it as is like they don't want to be part of that.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

That's what they say.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

Some gay men do dress up as girls.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

But then that's that's totally something different then. Right.

SPEAKER_04 45:02

That's drag.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

That's drag.

SPEAKER_04 45:04

Right? But drag is not trans. No. That's different.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Still, that's something else. That's not just you're just not being gay, you're being yeah, you're you have a fetish and you're so and you and you want to what put it out in public too. Keep that fetish personal, keep it, you know, keep it to yourself and keep it in in your own place. You don't you don't go out saying, you know, I'm gonna dress as a dad.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

I mean fetish is different. I mean like a Brian Gnome.

SPEAKER_06 45:28

Uh uh they had drag queens out there that that uh straight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Yeah, there are straight drag queens. Absolutely, because it's just a show.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Drag, drag people females get dressed up and they call it drag.

SPEAKER_04 45:43

Yeah, and they dress up as men and it's drag, right? It's just performance, it's performative at the end of the day. But they get stereotyped, but that's not trans though. See, trans is different, okay. And that's what I wanted to go into because last episode we talked about all the maxing and trans maxing. My students told me about it, and I was like, what? What is this? And it is about you know, men who dress up, you know, as women because they feel that there are certain advantages to being a woman. All right, but that doesn't mean that they are a woman trapped in a man's body. You see what I'm saying? That's the difference. But the problem with things like you know, Brian Gnome having his kink and now it's out in the open, you know, being like the big perfect Christian family that they are, it's not you know what what what people are gonna start doing is that they're going to associate his kink to the trans community and then to our community. You see how it works, right? And that's why, you know, you it's better to you know to pay attention. Like I said, you gotta fight this together to do it apart.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Who's allowed to get on that spectrum? I mean, you're now you're saying, okay, because it's because the spectrum is wide. Okay, we're at we're at one end, the gay man. Then the way the other way the other end is these, you know, um transgender, trans uh genders or um the female male. Well, the sexuality bit. And then everybody else who's like wants to be something else just jumps on that wagon too and saying, you know, oh, I want to be this, I want to be that, and I want to be part of the that group, even though they're not accepting, I'm not that way.

SPEAKER_06 47:26

I follow you. I follow you. And and that's the thing, you know, the gay community is what he's saying is the gay community is just finding it odd, that that piece of it. You know?

SPEAKER_04 47:37

I uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

The wildness of it, you know. I mean, I growing up in Boston, I grew up in Boston, I and I did go gay a lot of gay pre uh pride uh parades or whatever you call them, and and the crowd wasn't the way the crowds are now. I mean exactly when I was growing up and and I saw it was mostly just gay men cheering them on, and and they were you know, it was uh the flows were different, but but the people in the um the crowds were mostly gay men. They you didn't see very many um people dressed up as as girls, as whatever they want to be. They were mostly just gay men. You that's how P Town was the same way too. You know, you go to P Town, you see gay men. You don't see all this like other things going on. I mean, if you saw lesbians and you saw gay men.

SPEAKER_04 48:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

Okay, you didn't see the uh in between stuff trans. You didn't see that many. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 48:29

They just didn't have a voice then.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

You didn't see that many.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

So so okay. So let me ask you this do they deserve a voice?

SPEAKER_06 48:36

Everybody deserves a voice. Of course.

SPEAKER_04 48:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 48:40

Oh, they deserve a voice.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

But that voice gotta be saying something though that makes sense to people.

SPEAKER_04 48:46

You just can't have a voice in men saying again, that doesn't affect us in any way.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

I think it's their lives.

SPEAKER_06 48:53

I think it does. Well, I think what blows everybody's mind is that the they're almost abnormal the way that they're trying to do it. Like like this dude in the picture, man. Or this, I don't even know what to it's it's it has a beard. It's they have a beard. They it's one person, it's not a they. It's a they them, Anthony. They them.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

But you say it doesn't affect us, but it does. It does. They influence people then. I know, but they do they do influence people then. I'm confused. A child sees that, a child sees that and doesn't know what he what he wants out of a life yet, and he hasn't even developed, but he'll see somebody like that and says, Oh Mama, that looks neat. I want to be like that. And she's like, but you don't even know what that is.

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Okay, do you see, but you can't say that, right? Because then do you're because then people can make the argument that gay parents are trying to like make gay kids. They don't make gay kids. We know. Well, but how do we know, Mario? Because your argument already is saying, Oh, mama, I want to be like that.

SPEAKER_00 49:57

Well, that's it. That's not what I meant. That's not what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

You know, people will take it out of context and you know that.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Okay, I'm not no. Um it's like you know, somebody wanted to be an astronaut as a little kid. Oh, the guy went to the moon. Well, I I want to get on, and I want to become an astronaut. That's gonna change. You know, as he grows up, he's not gonna be an astronaut, he doesn't want to be that anymore. You know, he's gonna find other other experiences and he wants to change his mind. But you know, you just don't uh enforce that. You don't say, Oh, you want to be like that? Okay, let's go get some makeup for you, and we'll keep that up until and then you know you keep saying that this force it on him. No, that's what you're saying. Because parents don't want their children to be, you know, they don't want to change their children. Let the children pick their own thing, but also as a parent, you want to um not enforce, but you know, uh be there for them and also support them and also counsel them too. I mean, you know, you you want to like give them the right tools and the right, you know, the um advice too. You just don't let them go on their own and say, oh, do whatever you want to. No, no. You bring them back in and you say, first, first of all, as a human being, you were born a man or you were born a woman. Okay, let's go there first. You're not saying, oh, because you mom, mom don't know that what's going on in that little kid's head, you know, unless you know they do a lot of communication that kids actually expressing, and kids don't do that expression either. When the kids they don't know.

SPEAKER_04 51:19

I mean, I I I knew I was gay like at five, dude.

SPEAKER_00 51:22

I knew I was different. I knew that too. I just didn't as a kid, but I kept that to myself. I mean Well, because we had to out of fear. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 51:30

Okay, the times were very different for us, okay, but it's different now.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

Yeah, growing up, my dad didn't accept me, but I didn't go out, I didn't go out of the uh, you know, jump off the the the the the the building saying I'm gonna become uh some some Nelly queen because my dad doesn't accept me.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

I'm gonna become you know I'm gonna We're so homophobic. No, no, I'm so phobic. I don't know how to be a trans queer like or like to make it a point, yeah. To make a point.

SPEAKER_00 52:02

I didn't no, I don't want to do that. I don't want to go over the edge to make a point. And uh I I I told my dad I was gay and that and then that's the way I live my life. And you know, he he just you know he didn't see it. He goes, but then that's okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:15

I almost view it, okay, because it used to bother me too, the really effeminate gay men. It used to bug the shit out of me. And I know you see you wanna laugh, right? Because it used to bother me, you know. But as I've grown more comfortable, you know, uh after coming out and everything else, and not and giving less a shit about what people think, I'm like, as they should, they should be comfortable in being whoever they are, and that's part of their identity, is to be that so-called quote unquote nelly queen, right? It doesn't bother me anymore, but it did because I think, and then what I've also learned is that it it bothered me because I'm kind of homophobic myself. That was because of my internalized homophobia, that I didn't want to be associated with someone like that.

SPEAKER_00 53:11

Yeah, I see that. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_04 53:13

You see what I'm saying? So I like go get it. Like if you want to do that, hell yeah, go for it. I support it. The same way I'm gonna support this trans community that's struggling right now because their their rights are being taken away and the administration's coming after them. I think that is shameful. I think that is absolutely hypocritical of them. Um, you know, you you claim to to love God and believe in the teachings of Jesus. Like, you know, I'm not a religious person, but I I can I could probably safely say that most of these religions don't teach you to hate anyone.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 53:53

Well, then it brings you back to you know, nobody is born to hate. People learn to hate, you know. Nobody's born a hater, they're taught to hate.

SPEAKER_04 54:04

Yeah, it's crazy time right now. It really is, you know. But as I said about that trans maxing Christy Gnome's husband, you know what? Do whatever the fuck you want, you know, but don't don't fucking come after me because I'm gay. You know, don't come after the trans community because you know that's who they are. That's you should not be taking away their rights just because they're different. You know, and everybody needs to wake up to this. Everybody needs to wake up to this just because you're like, oh, it's not gonna affect me, therefore I'm not gonna say anything or do anything about it. They're coming for you next.

SPEAKER_06 54:42

Right, but there is a lot of fucking confusion involved in the transgender people. There's a lot of confusion. You don't know who what confusion for uh, you or them? No, for the p people out there in the public. There's confusion when when they look at a transgender and they can't tell male or female. They can't tell. That's confusing to people.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

Sometimes there can be both, you know? And there's it really depends on the individual, man.

SPEAKER_06 55:16

So you're saying there's individuals that want to be both? They could be. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Some of these guys that want to be, you know, oh, I want I want to marry I want to be married to a woman, but I also want a boy from inside, you know, and that's that's kind of like okay, that's confusing for me. I mean, I don't I don't want both. I wanna, you know, and to to even deal with that in your head, and then you do that, go out and probably go to like a straight club and you try to pick up a straight guy, and that's that that straight guy's not gonna accept that. He's not gonna like, oh, okay, let's you know let me go home with you and your wife, but you know, you're gonna want to you wanna wanna have sex with me too, though, right? I'm not just gonna be me, me and your wife. And that's not gonna be that's that's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 55:54

Well, that's what I mean. Everybody has their thing, everybody has their kinks, everybody, you know. There's just gotta be a lot to let them be.

SPEAKER_03 56:01

That's all I'm it's really I guess, I guess, I guess. But guys, oof, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_04 56:07

Okay, we we were totally gonna talk about other things.

SPEAKER_06 56:12

That's that's see what we're talking about, right? What we're talking about is what's going on out there.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

A lot of people out there were thinking the same thing. They're a lot of people like they they don't know how to deal with it or confusion.

SPEAKER_04 56:23

I won't lie. I was at Trader Joe's, I meant to tell say this before, and everybody was some sort of transgender. I remember no, I'm not I'm not trying to be funny. No, no, but I'm saying, but like you know, the person who the person who was cashing, no, like legit, like everybody stocking shelves at the register, like everywhere I turned I had a Trader Joe's, and then I was like, Oh, you know, like so, for example, the the person who was checking me out so polite, so helpful, so nice, you know. I couldn't tell if you were transitioning to a female or you were transitioning to a male because there were aspects of both. They had super muscular arms, like a lean muscular arms, you know, the legs were hairy, overalls, so I'm like, okay, here we go. Um, hair was short, voice, voice a little bit on the higher side, you know, pitchy wise, okay. A little masculine as well. You see? So, and I couldn't see the name tag, and I was like, of course I can't see your name tag. Like, what what's your name? You know?

SPEAKER_00 57:36

You say something like that, okay. You'll say it too. But what is it to you? What was what does it matter to you?

SPEAKER_04 57:42

It doesn't matter to me.

SPEAKER_00 57:43

It doesn't, okay. But then okay, but then now you're also you're going to places like Trader Joe where you're saying they were all oh, they all look like that now.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

Okay. So then they had the color, the color of hair, the piercing tattooing.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Now it's gonna start mattering to you because now you're saying, oh wow, now how do I But here's what I'm trying to say. How do I take all this in and how do I This is what I'm trying to say?

SPEAKER_04 58:04

Maybe uh I'm transphobic and I need to work on that.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

Or just walk away from it with like the same way because let the meta teachers walk away from it and let them because they're now because they want it to they want it to matter to you. That's why they're doing it.

SPEAKER_04 58:18

That's why they that's why they're out there in public in the in the but the same way with that quote unquote email queen, they want to be to be an effeminate gay man.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

But they also want to be accepted, they want society to accept them. That's why they're out there, you know, in that in that situation and that they do it to a society.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

Okay, but tell me, tell me this. So so the so the really effeminate queen is more accepted than uh trans?

SPEAKER_00 58:42

You know what? I'll no, I'll let them live their own life. Okay, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 58:45

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 58:45

We should let them live. I'm gonna let them live their own lives. I'm not gonna take that home and dwell on what I saw today and say, okay, I'm gonna start thinking differently now. I gotta keep thinking of the way I'm thinking and let them live their life.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

No.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

Okay, I'm not gonna like stop taking other people's garbage into my head and like I'm gonna go out every time I go outside, I gotta like realize that you know these people are like in my face now, and I gotta I gotta be acting different now. I gotta every time I see somebody, oh, you know, and it's always something different. They're all they're not all the same. I gotta switch, you know, switch and switch and switch and say, oh, okay, you know, I gotta be nice, and I gotta like I have no idea that's a man or a woman, so I I won't say sir or or ma'am, and I'll just, you know, all of a sudden I'm changing my way to please other, these other people that want to be.

SPEAKER_04 59:27

Oh, that's part of growth.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

They're not gonna please me. They're gonna go out of their way saying you don't accept me, you know, and then and and then throw it in my face, and then they say, Oh, because this person was completely kind and helpful.

SPEAKER_04 59:40

I'm saying that one was the and they all were, and they were all happy.

SPEAKER_00 59:45

No, but I'm saying, but you didn't address that person as a he or a she. You were just uh a customer, and she was just cashing you out, and you and you already knew because you are gay too, and you're saying this to you, you want to accept them.

SPEAKER_04 59:57

But it was yes, I do, because that's who they are, you know. But all I said was thank you, and that was enough. I didn't have to add anything else to that. But I was trying to look at their name tag to be like, Thank you, Bobby, or whomever.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:14

But it's amazing that uh the conversation this topic brings in, brings on, and it's not just us three, the world is talking this way.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:23

But I feel like maybe because we're older and we're cranky in our old age. Bitches, old bitches, yeah. We're old fags. Maybe you're you two are older fags, but you know, like but but what I'm saying is like maybe it's time for us to grow a little and to take notice. Okay, that's all I want to say.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

I'm not gonna take other people's baggages and fill my head up with it and all that crap.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Well, I'm not safe to do that either, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:05

Be as much as I can when I'm out there, but I'm not gonna go my way to say, oh, my even go any further, are you a man or a woman? Because I want to call you know, I want to direct you to your wedding.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

I don't have to say anything like that. That's why we're like that's not necessary to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

But you make that from you when you don't uh you don't address whatever whatever agenda they're putting out there, if you mix it all up by by mis you know, mistaking them for whatever, no, that they don't like that. And so you don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:32

Well, I'll tell you something. When I when I was at Anthony's surgery, and I was like, Oh, um, my other half just went for surgery, and um, you know, I I don't know if I was supposed to leave my number. And then they're like, Oh, when do they take your wife back there? When do they and then I was kind of offended. I was like, I was like, there's nothing straight about me. Come on, stop it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:58

You know what I'm saying? How did you feel when we um the there was like eyes on us when when when it when they called my name to go in and I gave you a kiss? I said, give me a kiss you will chat and leave. I said, give me a kiss. You know?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:12

I I um I still get uncomfortable with it. Do you? Yeah, and it has nothing to do with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

No, I realize the same thing. I'm not I'm not comfortable showing that in the public, even though see that it's me that's that that's not accepting it. I don't care. I'm not worried about how society's like receiving me or stuff like that. It's how I see it. Right. You know, and so and that's how I grew up. My my family, even my brothers and sisters didn't like the idea that you know me being homosexual. They even told me, well, they even told me that you know that God's gonna God's not gonna accept me in heaven because of the way I am. You know, my dad said I was gonna, you know, uh uh uh have an early death because of it, living with this lifestyle. That was gonna, you know, uh and and and I I didn't accept any of that either, because I can look at me now, I'm 67, I'm still here, I'm still um, you know, I'm I'm gay, but I'm not gonna throw it out there in people's faces. I don't wear uh the the gay flag and I don't wear the word gay on my back and you know and because it's for me it's personal. And because maybe it's the way I w I was raised, that it's personal. Okay. And I'm uh and I am comfortable in my own skin. Okay. And if it comes out in like in a crowd, yeah, I might maybe express myself a little, but I'm not gonna go out there and make a like uh stand up on uh on a soapbox and start pr you know preaching whatever.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:30

Yeah. So if you were um going in for surgery and and Bob was with you, would would and you were in the waiting room with five or six other people, would you give him a kiss? No, you wouldn't. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:43

Yeah. I so it it I I I did it because you were you were like, give me a kiss. And I'm like, okay, okay. You know? And I was like, there's people. Because I I'm just not a I'm just not a PDA kind of guy. Yeah, and I don't want to be a victim.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:59

I don't want to be somebody who's and and to be honest, I did that not for me. I wanted to, you know, you to be comfortable with me doing it. Like you you follow?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:11

Of course I understand that.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:13

Yeah, I didn't want to like just you know walk away from you and say goodbye. Uh well, you know, why didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

Me and my husband, we kept it too we kept it inside our house, we kept it in our bedroom. When we were out in public, we didn't show that. Okay, we didn't we didn't even hold hands. Okay, because that's you know society's taught us that that they didn't accept us from you know for for the very longest time, that they didn't they didn't appreciate two guys kissing in public or you know whatever. You know, and so growing up that way, we kept it to our you know private. Right. You know, and and and yeah, once we get inside the you know, inside the house or the bedroom, we go at it, but you know, then it's different when you're without the society. We don't want society to see us that way because we want society to think that we actually it is normal, but it's still I want to say it's they want it I want them to see it as a norm that everybody's you know but then society also has their own little kinks too, whoever's out there and they they do it, you know, like I said, it's personal, they keep it private. I mean, I know people like I used to work with, they're in suits and stuff, but but they invite me to a party and he's coming on high heels. All right, and that because he said, you know, this is my house, you know. And I'm like, but still you're inviting people you don't know yet. And then you you know and he goes, Well, Mary, I think you're a nice guy, and I think you know you you will accept me for you know me dressing up like this. And I'm like, Well, and and how many times he invited me over, not that many times, because I questioned it. Really? Yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:41

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:42

Yeah, it's a it is it is a complicated thing for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:47

Oh, yeah. I mean, we we were on an app an hour and a half just talking on this subject.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:52

Oh my god, I think this is a good time to end the conversation, people. No we're We'll still we'll still be friends. It's fine. But it's always good to have these conversations to see where people are going. But maybe you're right. Maybe people are thinking this way. Who knows? Um, but I I don't know. I would like to think people thought more like me, but hey, in a perfect world, like a perfect world.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

No such thing as a perfect world.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:21

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:23

The norm is dysfunctional. There's no functional.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

The norm is dysfunctional. I know, right? Like it's like I'm not crazy. You are. I'm okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:32

The world is wrong. Right, exactly. You know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:36

All right. Well, thank you. Great show.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:41

Thanks for joining me. You might not have you back.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:48

An asset. Oh, and yeah, I'll tell you, man, I gotta throw this out there. Mario, um, he's an above, and he's a fucking chef and a half. Can he cook, man? You know, I was telling him today I've had um hummus. No, no, the eggplant. I've eaten the eggplant all my life, relatives, Italian, off the boat. He makes the best fucking eggplant around.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:15

Delicious, delicious. And not only that, for breakfast, he makes homemade hummus, folks, that you would never eat hummus in a store if you ever tried his. It's just, but thank you for last night. It was good. Well, you're welcome. All right, guys, let's wrap it up. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you. Ciao May.