The Long Way Out

Episode 13: Bunch of F*cking Hypocrites!

Anthony DeLisi & Carlos Edwards-Diaz Season 1 Episode 13

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Recorded on May 13, 2026.

In the episode:  Mother's Day awkwardness and when Mom is MAGA, and you're not; Caitlin Jenner & other LGBTQ+ jerks; LGBTQ identity; Disturbing trend of anti-LGBTQ+ legislation in the U.S.; MAGA Grindr crashing; Kash Patel fail. 

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Music: Stick The Landing by Everet Almond

SPEAKER_08

Hey, it's been a while. Yes, it has. My gosh. Oh my god. You know, I forgot the name of our show. It's been so long. Welcome to the long way out. That's long way out. We're back. I'm Carlos. And I'm Anthony.

SPEAKER_05

I miss you. I see you every day. What are you talking about? I miss you on the show. I I miss doing this. Jesus. You know, it's because um our schedules are really crazy. Well, my schedule has been crazy.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah. I have no schedule at the moment.

SPEAKER_05

Yes. You're in recovery still, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_08

With the back.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, this is why we pay those taxes, I guess you want to call it, right? Towards that PFMLA.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, you know, that's only like three or four bucks a week. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

It's completely worth it, though. It is. Right?

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, we all need it.

SPEAKER_05

And I guess we never know what we're going to need. So it's better just to pay into it.

SPEAKER_08

Because you just never know. You know what the nice part about it is? You can't scam it because you you have to be written off by a doctor.

SPEAKER_05

Sometimes a doctor will write whatever.

SPEAKER_08

Not these days. No. Nope. Because the state knows. Like I looked it up. I looked up my my surgery, you know, on on um what the doctor is allowed to give you. It's the longest. And it said up to eight weeks. So, you know, the state knows, you know, there's regulations.

SPEAKER_05

Oh yeah, no, I think it's heavily regulated, which is a good thing.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

You know.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

But we just had Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, you know, it's it kind of sucks. Like, um, I have really one person that I could say happy Mother's Day to. Like, I'm not gonna call all my female cousins, but like I would always call my sisters. You know, my mother's been been uh passing away for a while, she's been dead for a while. But um what I did do, like on Facebook, I I uh did an AI generated card, Happy Mother's Day to to all my sisters here and up in heaven, you know. But it it really this was like the first year that it hit me uh for some reason that like I really don't have anybody to say happy Mother's Day to.

SPEAKER_05

I suppose I should be thankful, yeah. Um, you know, because I I have my biological mother and I have my adopted mother. Right. Right? And so uh it was rough calling them though. Well, I mean, for starters, you know, even as a as a child growing up, I always felt disconnected by these weird days, yeah, you know, and and even as a kid, I was like, what a fucking scam this is. Like, what is this bullshit? Yeah, right. They like you awkwardly have to be like, oh, happy Mother's Day, right, right, happy Father's Day. Never really got into it. I guess that has a lot to do with the way I grew up. I didn't have that kind of family structure, yeah. You know, and I'm not I'm not talking shit about my parents, they did the best that they knew how to do it. Right, right, right. Like as an ad as a middle-aged adult now, I could see that, but I'm not a parent myself, so I'm never gonna understand that experience. But I, you know, I could I could make sense of it of it now. You know, I could critically think, yeah, you know, how or imagine what it might have been like for them, you know? Yeah and them being immigrants and things like that, you know, things were dumb, things were hard. Yeah, right. They didn't grow up the same way.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, the way the way I grew up with, you know, Mother's Day uh was a day where we would take my mom out for a nice meal, you know, we take your mother out for for Mother's Day, you know. Um mom's uh supposed to cook on Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_05

And my mom, my adopted mom always cooked. Yeah, you know, she was always the nurturing type. Right. My other mom was the working type, like she was always at work. Yeah. Right? She busted her ass. Right, right. And and and it and and paid off, yeah, right, for her. And for me, it was helpful for me and my siblings, right? Um, but like I said, I've never really had that connection with it. And it was always awkward to be like, oh, I made you a car. This is fucking weird, you know. Like we had to do them at school. I'm like, is this fucking bullshit? Like, what is this about? Like, how is this gonna make up for all those days of the fucking week or the year that she does all this shit for me? Yeah, like a thankless little asshole. No, I really thought about that as a kid, you know? Wow, and then now as an adult, you know, calling my parents this year, my mothers, you know.

SPEAKER_08

I think you feel awkward.

SPEAKER_05

It is awkward, and it's more so now, right? And it's more so now because and I was talking to my colleague about this, you know, because she has a strange relationship with her mother too, you know. She went as far as to call it toxic and with one of my moms. It's it feels like that, you know. Like I've talked about, oh I'm you know, I'm gonna divorce her now after I, you know, divorced my husband, right? Um, but I it was it was it was hard. It was hard because you know, they have a hard time with me still, I guess. I guess they still disapprove of my life, you know, even though I work all the time and that's why I don't get to do this as much as I would love to, you know. Um, but i I guess what caught me off guard, not really, was how one of my moms, or what both of them were like, you know, vote red, son. Don't vote blue, look what's happening to you. And I'm like, what? And then for the first time, you know, because in the past I would be like ha ha, I'd laugh it off. And then like on Sunday, I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I don't trust that man at all. Like, how can you approve of anything right now?

SPEAKER_07

I know.

SPEAKER_05

And my mom was like, Oh, I love everything he's doing, I love all of his policies. And I'm like, okay, hold up. Which policies do you love? Do you love the anti-gay ones? Because that those are huge right now and it's disturbing, you know. And then she kind of changed the subject and laughed it off a little bit. Oh, geez, you know, avoided it, right?

SPEAKER_08

Oh, back it up, back it up.

SPEAKER_05

But but the thing is, like, be careful what you vote for, right? Because you're voting for this, you're voting against me.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05

And and that, of course, makes it awkward, right? And then she'll get into like, well, you know, Donald Trump doesn't collect a salary, and I'm like, yeah, because he's stealing it in other ways. Of course he's stealing it. He doesn't need why does he need a fucking pittance of a salary when he's stealing billions from us already?

SPEAKER_08

Well, how about does the president get like 300k? Maybe I don't even feel like about 300k.

SPEAKER_05

But like, but he's stealing billions, right? Look at what he did with cryptocurrency and other things, insane, you know, and what he's doing.

SPEAKER_08

It's so irrelevant.

SPEAKER_05

That board of peace, 10 billion dollars from taxpayers, right? How they were so concerned about fraud, waste, and abuse, and then here we go, right? Like, no oversight of anything. And and the thing is, I I let it go because my mom changed the subject. She couldn't defend right anything that I was saying. Yeah, and I threw her a bone. I threw her a bone because I was like, Well, it just goes to show.

SPEAKER_08

You know, some people are just ignorant.

SPEAKER_05

Well, I just I threw her a bone because I was like, oh well, I don't trust the the people on the on the other side either.

SPEAKER_07

Right.

SPEAKER_05

I mean, look at Nancy Pelosi.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05

She got rich while she was in in government too, right? So I don't trust a lot of these motherfuckers. Right. You know, none of them can be trusted. And I didn't want to sound like, you know, an ungrateful American, but I was like, really, we need to just burn everything down and start over. Yeah. You know, but not literally.

SPEAKER_08

I'm not gonna I wonder I wonder what Nancy Pelosi, like what a what a day is for her. Like now that she's retired. Like, like, does she have she must have like bodyguards? She has to have bodyguards.

SPEAKER_05

I'm sure because they can't husband get attacked, remember with the hammer and all this other crazy shit. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's disturbing. It's disturbing that what's going on with the war and like going on with the administration, people like Kash Patel, and you know, uh with Heg Seth, you know, yeah. They're they tell these lies and and and people like my parents believe it. And it's it's upsetting, it's disappointing, you know, and and and I feel bad because you know, I had to get out of the conversation and I was like, Oh, I'm getting a work call. I know it's so bad, you know. And I felt because you know, they say that they love me and I love them, you know. They've they were never like this before. I don't, you know, my I mean my parents down south, you know, my adopted parents, you know, they were always um supporters of Republicans, and that's fine, you know. They they voted for Reagan. I remember my dad was military, my adopted dad, you know.

SPEAKER_07

I loved Reagan, you know.

SPEAKER_05

I I think he was the start of the problems, if you ask me. Really? Yes, I think all this where we are now, you know, started from there. Um but anyway, the disturbing trend that I tried to have the conversation with my mom, you know, like, oh, you you you like the you like the anti-gay policies, mom? Because uh, you know, like this is what's happening. Well, a couple of weeks ago, I thought it was kind of, you know, well, it's kind of mean to say that it was funny, but it was really fucking funny that Caitlin Jenner was really upset that she got her passport back.

SPEAKER_07

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05

Right, and her passport is now marked M. Wow, okay, you dumb box. You fucking voted for that, and now you have now you have a problem with it. But this comes to show, right, that it's not just Caitlin Jenner that's the problem here, okay? Because there is a lot of like wealthy and famous LGBTQ uh people who are aligned with supporting Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, right? And those people, we just said Caitlin Jenner, right? That's also Peter Thiel, right, who is the co-founder of PayPal, and he invested in Facebook early, and he's one of the wealthiest openly gay people in the world. But at the same time, he serves Donald Trump, okay. Uh Scott Bessant, another gay billionaire, okay, chosen by Donald Trump to be secretary of the treasury, right? Um, you have uh Jennifer Pritzer, a transgender hotel heiress and philanthropist of her net worth is like $2 billion. Okay. Do you see a trend here? And um, and Tim, uh the CEO of Apple, okay. Uh, I forget what his last name is, but um, even he, you know, bends the knee to Donald Trump.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. And like, and it's it's disturbing to me because you're voting for these policies that are hurting people that are like you. The only thing that I can come up with is that most of these, you know, billionaires and millionaires, they're mostly white people. Yeah. You know, they're mostly cis children.

SPEAKER_08

A lot a lot of people uh are saying that um that Trump, you know, he he he changed a lot. You know, he's backpedaling a lot, he's doing things that they didn't think he was gonna do, and you know, they misread him, you know.

SPEAKER_05

Oh yeah, because a lot of that going on. We did talk about that because like, you know, his supporters from the past, yeah, like Megan Kelly, you know.

SPEAKER_08

Um but I I wonder though, like, you know, leave out like the the major supporters, but like the the the the everyday people like you and I, I wonder like if they would vote for him again. Like the people that voted for him, you know, like uh this this like I people that just don't give a fuck what's going on, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05

Right. So these so these billionaires who are supporting Trump, you know, they have an agenda of their own, right? They they don't wanna put themselves out there for a vote because people are not gonna vote for them. Yeah, it's not cool to be a billionaire right now because you're kind of a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_08

He's not gonna get any vote like the Latino community because of ICE. Forget about it.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08

But forget about it.

SPEAKER_05

Never say never because there's still people out there that will that will fucking go with this shit.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, but I I don't know. After the, you know, watching you know, that's another thing. ICE has been very quiet. You don't see anything on the news anymore.

SPEAKER_05

Not right now.

SPEAKER_08

Wow, I wonder what's going on. Like they cooled it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I'm not seeing a lot of stuff either. But I did want to share this video, Anthony. Uh well, I wish I could share the video, but you know, the audio is good enough. But this was Caitlin Jenner being all sorts of upset. Listen to her voice, people. I know because because I remember Caitlin Jenner when she was Bruce Jenner.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, it sounded so much different.

SPEAKER_05

So I I vaguely remember Bruce Jenner in the 80s because I know he was an Olympian because I remember the Tropicana commercials. Oh, he was on the Wheaties box. Was he? Yeah. Okay, see, I I was like I was like four or five years old when this was going on in the middle. I remember it clearly. Um, but does that mean no? I guess he gets to keep she gets to keep her gold medals, but whatever. Yeah, you know, but she's m for I mean famous again or was made famous again as Bruce Jenner because of the Kardashians, right? Right, keeping up with the Kardashians and stuff.

SPEAKER_08

Um what yeah, what do you had? Did she begin her transformation?

SPEAKER_05

I can't remember exactly, but uh well over the 10 years she's been probably over the last 10 years, yeah. Yeah, but the thing about it though, like he probably as Bruce Jenner always felt like this, yeah. Right, and there was just no um structure at the time, right? You know, or I uh for the for lack of a better word, you know.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, and it's you can't even say that he grew balls. Yeah, Jesus.

SPEAKER_05

But that was pretty funny. Um, but you hear what I'm saying? There wasn't there wasn't a structure, I can't think of another word better than that that allowed us to come out freely and things like that, you know, or for that transgender community to know come out. But now I guess everybody's rushing back in, right? Because of the fuckery that's happening right now. Yeah but anyway, uh play it. Here we go. Roll the tape.

SPEAKER_02

Roll the tape. Recently I had my passport. I had to get it renewed. Comes back gender marker M. Screws everything up. So there's a form in there. If they made a mistake, so I fill out all the proper forms. I'm not calling anybody, I'm not calling the president. I mean, I got his personal cell number, I'm not calling anybody. I'm gonna see if I can fix this myself. And they sent it back M. They didn't change it at all. What do I do? This is a safety factor. Okay, I I can't travel internationally anymore. As we know, even to vote now, you have to have proper identification. I don't blame President Trump. I love him. Wrote a letter. The Secret Service guy said he could get it to him, put it on his desk and stuff. I haven't heard from him.

SPEAKER_05

You know, so and that's the thing, right? She voted for this. Yeah, she knows exactly what she voted for. Right, right. Okay.

SPEAKER_08

But he wasn't selling it back then.

SPEAKER_05

But I'm telling you, but I'm telling you. Like you could be LGBTQ, but you are rich and you were white first. Yeah. Right. You can give you can give two Fox or zero, you will you will have zero fucks for your own community because you think that your um race, right? Or you know, or your money is going to make you immune to this, right? That being white and being rich is going to make you immune to being you know LGBTQ.

SPEAKER_08

He none of those people were on his mind. No. When when he was uh you know doing what he had to do.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. You know, so of course, like now she's concerned about the safety issue. But you know, to your point, or not what you were saying earlier, like, oh, are they are they ever gonna vote for him? Even though that she's losing her rights or she lost her rights, basically.

SPEAKER_08

She still said I love him. She still loves him.

SPEAKER_05

I still love I still love Donald Trump, right? So it's it's like it's a fucking cult, dude. It is a fucking cult, okay? And this is where my problem is with everything going on, and everybody should have a problem with this. And to my point, that when I was saying that, you know, Caitlin Jenner was probably always a Caitlin Jenner all of her life, yeah, and there was no way for her to come out at the time, right? You know, and we did have this conversation too, when we were like, Oh, you know, is it too young to transition when you're like five years old? But but then again, like I I guess it's just like being gay in a way, because I knew I was at five, right? But no one was there to explain it to me and tell me that it was fine, right? Because in the eyes of people at the time, and again today, it's not right, you know, which is really fucked up.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, it's one of those things that never will be.

SPEAKER_05

It will it needs to be, though. That's the problem that we're having right now, you know. So, in uh a couple like a few weeks ago, uh, you know, Gavin Newsom was claiming that trans youth are too young for social affirmation. And then here's a trans person here. I wish I could identify her, but kind of explaining what I've been saying, you know, because she's coming out too, right? And for her, you know, I guess with her experience, like, no, like I've always known, and this is who I've always been, right? And I and basically they should be allowed to be. I just want you to hear this really quick.

SPEAKER_04

This notion of gender-affirming care for children is is eight years old too young. Yeah, I mean, look, I now that I have a nine-year-old, come on, man, I get it.

SPEAKER_00

Does Newsom think that one day people wake up and become trans? We don't. Trans people are born trans. If someone at age eight recognizes their gender identity, they are offered solely support and acceptance and they deserve to express themselves freely and without adults telling them that they're too young to know who they are.

SPEAKER_05

You see, and that's the thing, right? Like this person always knew that they were trans, right? So to say that, oh, you're too young to to transition, right? Because according to some scientists, you know, gender identity is understood as early as three years old. Well, so people can remember and I told you, right? Like I knew um that at five I was gay already, right? But and honestly, I I when I tell you I can't remember much before I was five. That's why I I say at five, because I remember that far back. Interesting, right? I know some people can remember before that. I'm not one of those people, yeah. But I'm sure I would have been able to identify as being different back then too.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

But that's, you know, and it's not and it's not a medical thing. I mean, it is a medical thing when it comes to transitioning, right? It requires medicine and science. Okay.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, but at at age five, all right, if you're a boy, right, you don't know what a girl has down below. You just think that, you know, a girl has long hair. You don't really know at age four or five that a girl has a vagina.

SPEAKER_05

I don't I don't think that they're as children, we're not thinking about sex characteristics. I don't understand why people are so obsessed with genitalia. Okay, it doesn't have to always be about that. Yeah, okay. It's about like I like that what that girl is wearing.

SPEAKER_07

Right.

SPEAKER_05

I can identify with her. Or I like the way this person looks. I find that my, you know, this person, like, I guess I'm attracted to them because I'm acting differently around them. You know, that sort of thing, right? It's not, I don't, I don't think it has anything to do with that because when I was five, I wasn't thinking about that either. I just knew that I was like, oh, I I think this person's really attractive, and I don't know why I think that, but no one was there to explain it to me.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah. Right. I'm I'm waiting to see like a five or six year old with like all different color hair walking in the playground.

SPEAKER_05

But again, you see, it's not it's it's not the things that they're thinking about. I know, I know because you're you're still being a kid, right? At that age. You just know that you're you're different. Right. You just know. Yeah, right. Like I just knew um that I was different. And you know, the way things are going right now, um, there's so many anti trans bills going now this year. All right. Um, so far, uh, according to the translegislation.com, in 2026, there are 773 bills under consideration across the country, and that's in every state. Yeah, every state. So in 2021, they were considering 135 bills and 18 of them passed.

SPEAKER_07

Wow.

SPEAKER_05

So that's a total 153. As of 2025, 896 bills were considered. Okay. 126 of them passed. That's over a thousand twenty-two. All right. That's over a thousand anti-trans legislation. Okay, or bills.

SPEAKER_07

That's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_05

This is what I'm talking about. Okay. And the most active states right now, uh, according to this website, Oklahoma has the most, followed by Missouri, South Carolina, Minnesota, Tennessee, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, West Virginia. Okay. Um, and surprisingly, you know, Massachusetts is the there with like six, six bills right now. Okay. Um I wonder what they are.

SPEAKER_08

What bills they are in mind.

SPEAKER_05

Well, the bills that are they're, you know, they're mostly focused on like uh, so for example, there's bills on uh in education. There's like 194 of them. And these bills are targeted uh to educational settings, and they aim to deny students name and pronoun autonomy, uh, forcibly outing trans students to their parents and uh banning basic gender identity education. So they yeah, so they don't teach about trans. They don't want, you know, they're they're gonna out people to their family. Can we look at Massachusetts laws right now to see what's what's let me see if I can do that quickly. But and then other bills, right, are targeted at health care and what we're talking about here, right? Right, right. Uh the number of bills seeking to prohibit uh gender-affirming care, right? So you can't get the care that you need, whether it's mental health care or the medical care, right? The for medicines, okay. Wow. Um, or for surgery, okay. Um, so many of these bills seek to outlaw care for minors and adults, um, and would impact medical insurance coverage or access is uh access to services. Yeah this is this is downright cruelty. No, yeah, okay. Uh sports bills, that's another popular one in this in this camp. Uh, and these bills target uh athletics in K through 12 and higher education. Okay, so they seek to codify sweeping definitions of gender and sex, and over one-third of states have already passed laws banning transgender students from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity. Okay.

SPEAKER_08

That's that's a big one. It is a big one. That's a big one. I mean, you get you get some some guy that's 220, you know, he's he's ripped, he'd he'd kick the shit out of me and you, and you know, he's gonna go play in in in a in a uh girls' football league come up.

SPEAKER_05

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_08

But shit like that. That's the shit like that is but not what they're doing.

SPEAKER_05

But sports is about, you know, you know what happens to like being like the sportsmanship and like it's a game and everyone should have fun, yeah, and everybody should partake and enjoy.

SPEAKER_08

But then you get the flip side of that where you know you have you know, you have a uh uh a girl that wants to play in in in the boys play to hurt.

SPEAKER_05

At what level are we talking about?

SPEAKER_08

Um you know uh junior high, high school, you know. Okay, so you so you gotta you get a girl football player and like they they try or hockey, uh-huh, you know, like they're trying to you know play to hurt the person.

SPEAKER_05

Well, if she that's just hockey in general. And women are not wimps. They've like women who play sports are tough as fuck. Oh, right. They've Debbie Crowley. Debbie Crowley.

SPEAKER_08

We talked about Debbie Crowley, right? But we and we talked about how you know the guys used to always try to hurt her. Yeah, this was your friend growing up, yeah. Right, yeah, and um I seen it firsthand.

SPEAKER_05

Well, and but the thing is that it's like you want to play, okay.

SPEAKER_08

Here's a little taste of it, but she took it.

SPEAKER_05

Well, but okay, but you know that what you were saying before, you know, like, oh, you know, it's not fair in junior high if they're developed, okay, but then you never gave her the opportunity to change earlier, right? Because everybody complains that she's too young to transition. Yeah, and so of course, you know, she's gonna establish more as a male over time, right? Puberty and everything else, right? When she could have been blocking all of that at an earlier age, okay. And that's what I'm trying to say, right? Because then that way, you know, she would grow up to be a woman then, right? Then nobody had nothing to say then, right? Yeah, yeah. So, but but the thing is, you can't you can't block a person's life from every direction and then be like, Well, you can't do that now. Well, like, what the fuck do you want them to do? Right? They should be able to partake if they want. Oh, absolutely. Uh, 44 of these laws, moving on, uh, bathroom laws. Uh, and then this was after North Carolina, the infamous HB2 bathroom bill. Okay. Um, and this would restrict public access to public facilities. Okay. So you're gonna have a trans woman having to go into a men's room now, right? She might get beat up in there too, because men are not gonna like that.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Right? So, where is she supposed to go?

SPEAKER_08

No, uh you but you want to know something, like like for instance, okay, we're home here. Okay, and you get somebody trans, they're gonna use your bathroom. So what is what's the fucking difference? You know what I mean? Like, you know, you have a house, people use your bathroom. You know, in public, people use the bathroom. I mean, you know, but the thing is they shouldn't be multiple stalls. I think that, you know, they should be men and women's bathrooms, but they shouldn't be multiple stalls.

SPEAKER_05

Well, I don't understand what you mean.

SPEAKER_08

I I just think it should be a private bath. You know, they should be called private bathrooms. Yeah, just single like like I went into yesterday. I went in, you know, they had uh I had to use the restroom at the at the bath at the at the hospital and they had the the sign and you know the male and female, but there was just a toilet. There was no hopper in there, you know.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

Um I mean something like that. That's that's that there's no problem with that. People are okay with that, you know, but they're not okay when there's multiple urinals. That's where the problem comes in. When there's urinals in there, you know, and you get some guy or a guy going into a lady's room, you know, that's where the problem comes in. With when there's multiple places to do your duty.

SPEAKER_05

Maybe, maybe I don't know. It's you know, I'm not hateful like that. I don't give a shit. Like I if I have to pee, I have to pee. I don't care. You know, I'm not thinking I'm not thinking about that stuff. So other bills uh that are coming down the pipeline, affecting things like the military, adoption, uh religious exemptions, civil rights, child custody, things like incarceration, employment, marriage, you know, birth certificates, you know.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Um, so it's it's difficult to say what exactly Massachusetts is down for, but I would have to take a look at it closely. And I don't think we have that, you know. I don't want to torture everybody reading from this, you know.

SPEAKER_08

You know what was weird, like you know, I'm a recovery coach, and I've I've had times where I had to place uh a trans person into into treatment, into detox. And that person wanted uh you know, didn't want to be in, or if it was a guy, didn't want to be in uh the men's dorms, wanted to be in the girls' dorms.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_08

And and staff, they for you know, the what the staff would do is they would have to create a single friggin' room because you know just because it it becomes problematic. It becomes problematic.

SPEAKER_05

And that's the ignorance of people. That's what that's what's problematic. Right.

SPEAKER_08

No.

SPEAKER_05

Right?

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, absolutely. But uh that's what that's what happens. Yeah. So what happened I've seen it firsthand.

SPEAKER_05

So what happened to well, I I have too, because I've had to do um, because I do sexual assault kits for the ER. Yeah. Okay. I've had to do them several times. All right.

SPEAKER_08

Um you're a sane nurse?

SPEAKER_05

Uh well, most ER nurses are. I do have a certification to do it though. Cool.

SPEAKER_08

Um I I didn't know that about you.

SPEAKER_05

I don't think so I have to do them when I'm asked to, and I've had to do them. Yeah. Okay. And there was a time that you know I had to do it for a trans female, and people were uncomfortable with that, so uncomfortable with it, that it kind of pissed me off that they're like, Well, Carlos is gay, he can go do it. I'm like, what the fuck does that mean?

SPEAKER_08

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I'm like, that's fucking ignorant. Yeah, let's start there. Yeah, but I'm gonna put that aside, we'll talk about this shit later. Let me go do my job because you don't want to, you know what I'm saying? So I remember had to give up all of my patience because I had to go do this kit, and this kit could take hours to complete, right? Right? It's evidence collection. You have to follow it by the letter. You can't leave the room when you start it, right? Okay, because you're gonna screw up the evidence, yeah. Right. But I remember that happening, and I'm like, what the fuck? What difference does it fucking make? No, I know, right? This person was sexually assaulted or raped and or raped, and like that should be your priority, okay? That should be what you like, like should be driving what you should be doing here. Yeah, not that oh, I'm uncomfortable because this person's trans. Let's send the gay person in. It's not first of all, not the same fucking thing, right? Right? Well, actually, that should be second, but first, like that shouldn't be a fucking problem, right? Right, right, but it was, and that was offensive, yeah. You know, well, they might have thought of it, you know that I would be more sensitive because I'm gay.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, well. Come on, no, but I mean, that's that's the way some people might think about it.

SPEAKER_05

This person was a survivor of sexual assault and rape, right? Right? It shouldn't matter what their gender identity is. Yeah, you just have to do your fucking job. Right. Because what if I'm sure if you weren't there, but what if I wasn't there?

SPEAKER_08

Right, but I'm sure if you weren't there, there there would have been nurses that would have done it with dignity. I fucking sincerely hope so. Yeah, right. I would say so. And like, and and then a lot, a lot of nurses, you know, that's they understand.

SPEAKER_05

And I had to conduct it exactly the same way. I would assist gender female or male. Of course, right? Like I would still have a chaperone come in for for those more sensitive parts of the evidence collection, right? You know, um it it didn't change how I did it.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05

This person was terrified, you know, traumatized. The approach was the same, it didn't change anything. So for people to be like, oh, you know, send Carlos in because he's he's one of them. And I'm like, what the fuck? You know, yeah. It wasn't said exactly like that, but that's what it felt like because no one else wanted to do it. Right? They were they were they were they were more willing to to take the six of my really sick ass patients so they didn't have to deal with that. Yeah, what's wrong with that? You see, yeah, but anyway, just to close this, uh, there are states who are who are banning those gender markers now, just like uh what happened to our friend Caitlin Jenner. Fuck her, she's a piece of shit. That's my official like m uh feeling about that. But these states include Florida, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Indiana, Montana, Wyoming, Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas, and Missouri. And more are going to follow, unfortunately. Of course.

SPEAKER_08

Of course. I would like to know what the laws are in mass, though. I really would.

SPEAKER_05

I think they had to do with sports.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Because Massachusetts is pretty progressive, but you know, I think the sports is where people feel strongly about it.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, because we still have gender-affirming care here. We have the gender-affirming surgeries um that are quite advanced. Yeah. And they're incredible. It's come a long way. Right, right. You know, just to be on the same subject, you're right. These people who are voting for these policies, you know how I say, you know, just because you vote for them doesn't make you immune. I guess I've been hearing a lot of lately is how Grinder crashes at conservative events. You know, how like when Charlie Kirk had his last event before he was murdered, right? Grinder crashed in that area. You know, when the Republican Convention was on.

SPEAKER_07

Really?

SPEAKER_05

Grinder crashed. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08

So for what reason? I'm not I'm not putting it together.

SPEAKER_05

Well, you know, the people that are, you know, like supposedly like MAGA part of this movement against LGPTQ, they like the LGBTQ stuff, which is fine. I don't care. Like you want to be with the you know, you want to be, you know, uh a secret closet gay, right? Then that's fine, but don't be a fucking hypocrite. Right? That's the problem that I have.

SPEAKER_08

Like, and then are you are you thinking conspiracy-wise?

SPEAKER_05

No, no, no. It's it's it's a trend that people are paying attention to about grind, right? Because we know about grindr. Come on. A popular LGBTQ plus dating app reportedly experienced increased activity and usage issues, sometimes dubbed crashes or outages, uh, during large-scale conservative events due to high volume of users in a localized area. Wow. While some reported outages are based on user data, others might be exaggerations or social media memes. But it's not, it's really actually happening. And here are some of the key events, like the rebel the 2024 Republican National Convention in Milwaukee. Uh, grindr experienced a significant spike in usage with over 1,000 users reporting outages in the Milwaukee area, prompting some of it to label the Grindr Super Bowl. Yes. Uh the Charlie Kirk Memorial Service in Glendale, Arizona, in September 2025. Grindr outages in the Phoenix area coincided with this memorial. Um, so people are like, hmm, what's going on? Yeah. Turning point, uh America Fest, right? Uh, when those were happening, users have reported increased activity on Grinder at other large conservative gatherings with reports indicating a similar trend at this event.

SPEAKER_08

Unreal. So, so here you have the just naming stuff that's been brought up.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, and and he hates them. And they hate us. Yeah. Right? Because they vote for this. They don't want to. You know what I'm saying? So it's so hypocritical. And this goes back as far as 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio. Data from this event suggested a 66% increase in app usage uh near the convention center, showing a long-standing pattern of high activity during these events.

SPEAKER_08

Holy shit. Yeah. What about the Super Bowl itself? I wonder how uh Grinder was if it went down during the Super Bowl. I don't know, but with all these just tester owned sports fanatics.

SPEAKER_05

But apparently Grindr has its own Super Bowl now. Right. And it's and it's happening when the when the US Republicans and these uh conservative like. We'll have to keep an eye on that. I know, but a lot of people keep an eye on this because it's very interesting, you know. Um, but but the boo reason why people pay attention to it is because the hypocrisy of it all, you know, so hypocritical to tell us how to live and to hate on us and to demonize our community as being the people who are, you know, not uh reflective of the image of God or whatever fucking, you know, the way they weaponize their religion to use against us. And here they are doing it themselves, right? Unreal. It is unreal. It is unreal. But in other news, um Do you know that?

SPEAKER_08

Can you imagine if you were the developer of Grinder? I think that fucking thing is worth $2.5 billion.

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_08

I mean, some I mean, you know, some gay dude, right, probably started it.

SPEAKER_05

And I think that they were hosting a conservative event recently, if I'm not mistaken. $2.5 billion. Like they're out there now. They're like, we know your customers. So we're just gonna hang with you because they're a publicly traded company, yeah. Right? So it's stocks worth $14.09. That's what I'm saying. Like they have to, you know, at the end of the day, it's about making that money. No shit. Right? They didn't give a shit about the community. I wonder who stocked.

SPEAKER_08

If anything, they're gonna exploit the community. Wow. I wonder who the developer was. Oh, I wish I knew more about that. I'm gonna find out instantly here. Oh my goodness. Joel Simcahi. S-I-M-K-H-A-I. Joel Simkay was launched in 2009. Started off with 5,000 bucks of his own money. Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_05

And worth all that money now.

SPEAKER_08

God almighty. Wow, it was bought out by a Chinese gaming company. They bought it from him for 245 million. Good for him.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, for real. God. But speaking of fuckery in American politics, I never got to talk about Cash Patel.

SPEAKER_08

Good old cat. Speaking about Cash App.

SPEAKER_05

Cash App. His name is Cash App or Cash App. I can't believe it's a good idea. Really? Yeah. A few weeks ago he sued the Atlantic, right? Because there were reports of him uh not showing up for work or being drunk on the job.

SPEAKER_08

Oh, Jesus.

SPEAKER_05

Oh yeah. And people, and I think this is a real thing. Where was he the night before? Well, I mean, there's a lot of evidence that, well, I I don't know if you can call it evidence, but he uh, for example, uh, when uh the hockey players won the Olympic gold, yeah, yeah, cash patel. Yeah, drunk as a fucking ass, right? Like partying like he was part of the team or something. Like, what a fucking loser.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, like he doesn't even have a fucking hockey fan.

SPEAKER_05

You know, but like he's like, Oh, I wanted to celebrate with the hockey. I don't even know if he supports hockey, yeah. Like, whatever.

SPEAKER_08

Well, you know what that was. That meant you know how Trump in Canada isn't getting along, America, you know, our government isn't getting along with Canada. And we, you know, we played Canada for the gold. So it's like, you know, fucking Trump got a heart on when we won that one. Yeah, he would have they would have never lived it down if he if uh if we lost that the Canadian government would have fucking creamed us. What do you mean? The media. Oh, of course. I don't think so. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because they're going back and forth. I mean, is that really like what do they have? A prime minister up there? What do they have?

SPEAKER_05

I think it's a prime minister.

SPEAKER_08

Who is it? Who is ping. And the prime minister of Canada was Mark Kearney. That's it.

SPEAKER_05

I couldn't remember his name.

SPEAKER_08

He's a 24th Prime Minister.

SPEAKER_05

But anyway, back to Cash Patel. Right? Yes. Well, the whole thing started right back in April when he got a letter from Congress. I'm gonna just read it really quick. Dear Director Patel, a damning and explosive report recently revealed that the men and women of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI, are privately and at times publicly alarmed by your episodes of excessive drinking and unexplained absences. There are numerous accounts that you consume alcohol to the point of illness, direct profanity-laced outbursts at support staff, and pass out drunk behind locked doors and episodes, making you so unreachable that agents have had to fetch SWAT-level breaching equipment to awaken you.

SPEAKER_08

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05

After repeatedly and inexplicably disappearing for long stretches of time, only to re reappear conspicuously inebriated, it is no surprise that your purported drinking habits and erratic schedule have had demonstrably disastrous effects on your performance of duties as FBI director. Your staff's inability to reach you has reportedly led to delays and time sensitive decisions to advance investigations of terror cases, including apparently the issuance of FISA warrants. On the flip side, your inability to control your Impulses has reportedly undermined high-stakes criminal investigations, including the manhunt for the mass shooter at Brown University and the search for the assassin of Charlie Kirk last year. During the course of both investigations, you shared and broadcast inaccurate information. These claims corroborate what the American people have seen for ourselves. You have shuttled boxes of alcohol on board the FBI jet down at Pertibo with foreign dignitaries and chugged beers in the team USA locker. Yeah. Oh, this is a full-on letter.

SPEAKER_08

Well, maybe he needs to go to AA. I won't you know if he needs a sponsor, you should call me. I'll straighten his ass out. I'll get him into treatment.

SPEAKER_05

These glimpses of your relationship to alcohol uh would be alarming to see in an FBI agent. For us to see uh them in the FBI director himself is shocking and indicative of a public emergency. As you may be aware, federal law prevents employees in competitive civil service jobs from habitually using intoxicating beverages to excess. The Department of Justice Ethics Handbook for On and Off Duty Conduct applies that that rule to all department employees, including the FBI director. We understand that you have sued the journalists who have reported on the widespread concerns about your job performance and alcohol abuse, demanding a whopping $250 million in damages plus disgorgement of income. However, the American people deserve to hear the facts directly from you now, not your lawyers, weeks or months from now, uh, to determine for ourselves whether you whether your continued leadership to the FBI in fact constitutes a severe national security vulnerability.

SPEAKER_08

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

Right? I I think this is a really good letter. Um, for the sake of our own security, we need to know, for example, how many drinks containing alcohol do you have on a typical day when you are drinking? How often during the last year have you failed to do what was normally expected from you because of drinking? How often during the last year have you needed a first drink in the morning to get yourself going after a heavy drinking session?

SPEAKER_08

All those questions are coming out of the alcoholic. It is.

SPEAKER_05

I know.

SPEAKER_08

All those questions are coming out of the alcoholic's Am I an Alcoholic handbook?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, the big book. You know? And so given the urgency and gravity of the risk to our nation and our people, we request that you fill out and submit to Congress the results of the attached alcohol use disorders identification test, or also known as audit. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08

It's a gold standard. Whoever he's suing, right, in in defense.

SPEAKER_05

That's the Atlantic.

SPEAKER_08

Okay, so but the Atlantic will never be able to get any records from the FBI. So it's not even a fair fucking trial. Or you know what I'm saying? That'll never be fair.

SPEAKER_05

So this came from Congress, and it sounds like it's from both sides.

SPEAKER_08

So so you know what's gonna happen? The the Atlantic, is that what you said? They're gonna have to settle. They're gonna have to settle.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, because they won't get any evidence. Yeah. Yeah. Um what a fucking scam. They'll defend themselves, and they everybody, I mean, everybody knows this is a fucking bullshit lawsuit, and he's trying to cover his ass right now, right? Because Teddy claimed bankruptcy.

SPEAKER_03

That's what they'll do. Based on public reporting, it appears Cash Patel is a raging alcoholic. There's also videotape of him flying to the Olympics on taxpayers' dime and partying and drinking. Did we not say that? There's also an article from the New York Times uh that alleges that Cash Patel had as FBI agents query FBI databases to go after a New York Times reporter who wrote an unflattering story on how Patel was using taxpayers' money to fly his girlfriend around on private jets. So we can't trust Cash Patel. And if the administration removed Cash Patel, it would make Pfizer reauthorization, I believe, a much easier thing to do. And now I want to talk a little bit about the economy. Inflation, based on the last CPI report, skyrocketed. It was the largest month-to-month increase. It was 3.3 percent in a number of years. Gas prices are continuing to be very, very high. But what is Donald Trump focused on? Building a giant arch in Washington, D.C. And building a private ballroom with taxpayers' dollars at $400 million for a ballroom that 99% of Americans will never be able to access. That's it. This is really just for the elite. We urge Republicans and Donald Trump to focus on American people instead.

SPEAKER_05

He wants to build an arch? Yeah. He wants to build an arch with his ballroom. He wants to rename his name on it. Where does he want the arch? It's in DC. You know how that arch that you see in like uh Paris or one of the or Central Park, I think has one. Um, and he's gonna name it like the Arc du Trump or something like that. Yeah, it's uh it's offensive as fuck, you know. So so all this is going on with Cash, you know. I mean, as of as of today, I think Cash Battle has agreed now to take an alcohol test because they've been battering him. Uh on you know, Congress has been coming down hard on him about this.

SPEAKER_08

He probably spent a few days in treatment and you know, he'll blow, he'll blow a zero.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I mean, he's not gonna yeah, because there's no there's not gonna be any alcohol trace in his in any in any of his samples, right? But yeah, you you're probably right. He probably detoxed himself.

SPEAKER_08

And if he's that much of a raging alcoholic, you can't detox yourself. No fucking way. So here's his response out comfort meds.

SPEAKER_01

I'm on the job, I'm the first one in, I'm the last one out. I'm like an everyday American who loves his country, loves the sport of hockey, and he's with my friends when they raise a gold medal and invite me in to celebrate. I've never been intoxicated on the job, and that is why we file a 250 million dollar defamation lawsuit. And any one of you that wants to participate, bring it on. I'll see you in court.

SPEAKER_05

Bring it on. And the thing is, like, I mean, he looks, I mean, he probably balanced out his hangover, right? Yeah, everybody was.

SPEAKER_08

Don't don't go there, don't go there because I'll sue you too. What a little fucking cunt.

SPEAKER_05

He's playing Donald Trump's game. That's a fucking cunt. And he's a piece of shit, too. And so remember the the White House correspondence dinner, how he kind of just didn't know what the fuck was happening. Like that was a huge failure on them.

SPEAKER_08

Oh, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_05

Shouldn't they have been on top of that?

SPEAKER_08

Do you see that that that dude ran right through the metal detector? There were cops leaning against the wall, leaning against the wall, shooting the shit.

SPEAKER_05

Where the fuck was this? Nobody was looking in that direction at all. Yeah, at the entrance. Like you came barging through the metal detector gun.

SPEAKER_08

Idiots, like if that was Putin or or the Chinese president man, they would you would never see the security leaning against the fucking walls. Oh no, no. This country's a joke as far as security. It really is. It's a fucking joke.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, this is uh what a mess, you know. But like I was saying, he he looked hungover in that video, so he probably had to take a drink before he came on to give that press conference, or he took a bump of coke.

SPEAKER_08

I'll tell you one thing right now, right, Carlos, think of this. If this was planned out, right, to get Trump instead of one shooter, can you imagine if fucking three or four of them ran through all at once? They would have got to the president, they would have got him, they would have got him.

SPEAKER_05

And a lot of other people.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_08

So they would have fucking got him.

SPEAKER_05

To this day, I still think it was staged because you know, he needed a cause or he needed some way to justify that ballroom. Yeah, right. That ballroom that also has a bunker underneath, you know, and I think he knows that everything around him is collapsing. So, you know, and and when he's not president, where what's gonna happen to him? He's probably gonna go to jail. So he needs to stay in power, right? Doesn't that kind of make sense?

SPEAKER_08

Well, I'll tell you, it's gonna be well, you know, he's already been indicted and impeached, and the FBI raided his house, and you know, he's not in jail. So he's if he didn't get in jail while he was sitting president, he's not gonna go to jail while he's fucking.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

I think I think it's all gonna just go away. Let him go out in into the pasture.

SPEAKER_05

Or he might just die, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

So of course uh but you know what's think of it. What's gonna I mean, like, he's still got a couple of years left, right? Two and a half, three years.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. That's a long time. Maybe a year and a half.

SPEAKER_08

Who knows? But when will they start running again?

SPEAKER_05

Um, probably in a couple more years. Really?

SPEAKER_08

Yeah. I wonder what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05

So that's why the voting matters. And we'll discuss that on another time because you know, I I'm I'm trying to understand the whole voting and the gerrymandering because that's why uh it's so important to get that vote in. You know, um, the last thing I wanted to talk about. Well, before that, before I was gonna say, you know, uh, then Cash went after James Comey, remember? What is it that she the Seashell said? 8647. Yeah, you know, and they took that as a death threat. Yeah, bunch of fucking hypocrites, right? Because Donald Trump was able to say, what did he say to the Proud Boy? Stand by or hang Mike Pence, God, and none of those things, those were actually like threats, right? Yeah, that was just a picture, you know. So of course they came down on him, right? Got him uh indicted and everything. So god damn. Yep, but that's but that's to take you know the take the heat off of him, right? But he could still be fired, you know, because I think what they wanted also after that White House correspondence dinner, they really just they like I think they were gonna do it over again, right? Because that dinner was over.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, he said he wanted to do it over within 30 days, within 30 days.

SPEAKER_05

That's coming up, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_08

Where?

SPEAKER_05

I don't know, but think about all that money wasted, all of that taxpayer money gone to waste, yeah, right? Just fucking don't do it. Come on, right? If you yeah, if you really gave a shit about the people, just call it a loss and don't do it again.

SPEAKER_08

Fucking White House president, come on. You don't need that shit. See you later, elegator.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Well, that's all I got.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, all right. Well all right, man. That was a great show.

SPEAKER_05

Thanks for listening, everybody. Like, subscribe.

SPEAKER_08

Absolutely, child maybe.