Creative Discipline: Building a Brand with Precision | Mark Peddigrew

This week on Mind Body Method, I sit down with my friend Mark Peddigrew— trainer, coach, and founder of the jewelry line Cartography — to talk about building a life with intention, creativity, and calm strength.

Mark shares his journey from Newfoundland to London to New York, and how Cartography started almost by accident while he was on tour with Rufus Wainwright, collecting travel charms along the way. What began as a personal creative outlet turned into a real business after a Neiman Marcus buyer saw his pieces — presented in a Nike shoebox, no less — and placed an order.

We talk about learning business the hard way, figuring out the balance between making art that means something and creating pieces that actually sell, and how storytelling plays a role in everything he designs — even the slightly subversive pieces. Mark also opens up about ethical sourcing, donating proceeds to Brandi Carlile’s Looking Out Foundation, navigating rising metal costs, and how humor, music, home life, and vulnerability help him stay grounded while juggling multiple careers.

This conversation is about design, discipline, and trusting yourself — even when you’re building it as you go.

Click the link for more about Mark's amazing brand Cartography.

Write to me at: Questions@MindBodyMethodPodcast.com

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Welcome to Mind Body Method, the podcast where health and fitness go beyond the weights and the workouts. I'm your host, Josh Grimm, and every week we'll dive into what it truly means to build strength, not just in your body, but in your mind and your life. From movement with purpose to building a resilient mindset, this podcast is about empowering you to thrive in every aspect of your life, inside and outside of the gym. So let's get started. There are certain people in your life who feel like calm in human form. They're steady, they're thoughtful, and they are deeply intentional about how they move through the world. Today's conversation is about that kind of discovery, not just what we create, but who we want to become in the process. We're talking about design, discipline, self-trust, and what it really means to build something that reflects you who you are from the inside and out. Hi, and welcome back to the Mind Body Method Podcast. And I'm your host, Josh Grimm. Today's guest is my friend Mark, someone that embodies calm strength and thoughtful creation. He is a trainer, a coach, and the founder of cartography, a jewelry line that is rooted in intention, craftsmanship, and meaning. The conversation today is going to be about creativity and deliberately finding that place where you find something that you love that you're aligned with and carry that with you. So please welcome my good friend Mark Pettigrew. Hi, Josh. How's it going?

SPEAKER_02 1:32

It's good. You're um you're you're busting my podcast cherry. Oh thank you. This is your first one. Uh it's my first, but I have two more lined up. Oh, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Oh jealous. Well, number one is the best.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Number one, you're the best. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

So for people that don't know who you are, please introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about you know where you came from, what you do for work, and um just about Mark.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

All right. Uh my name is Mark Armstrong Pedigrew, and uh, I was born in Newfoundland, Canada. And uh I arrived in New York like 21, well, 21 years ago, um, after a three-year jaunt in London. And uh and yeah, uh in terms of what I do, I think uh, you know, taking taking in both things that that occupy most of my life. Um I like to say that I make people feel good. Right. Whether that be through their body uh or what they're wearing. Uh I think uh um empowerment is something that is a through line with my work.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

So, I mean, obviously, you know, I like I said, you are the founder of cartography, which is a fantastic jewelry line. Um I have a piece here, a piece here, some pieces in my room. Um, I'm sure you're wearing all of your same everything. Yeah. Um, so when did you start cartography?

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Uh it was uh it was a um kind of a hobby for a long time that I started in the back of a tour bus. Uh, as you know, uh I'm friends with some musicians and they're kind enough to take me on the road. Um, and that's how cartography started was in uh uh through basically traveling the world with Rufus Wainwright. And uh one of our favorite things to do on a day off uh is antiquing. And so uh, especially in Europe, uh, a lot of things that he would buy required some country certifications to leave the the said country. Uh and then I I didn't quite have the same purchasing power that he did, but what I would do, I would buy these little charms, and uh and I would be away, you know, for a lot of friends, special events, birthdays, and whatnot. And I would just put these charms on a chain and give them to my friends. And uh that's actually how cartography started pretty organically. Um this is when you were living in London. No, no, no. This is this is New York. Yep, yep, this is New York. Uh in in London, I was just a party boy. And that's why I had to leave. Um so yeah, and I uh and you know, there's a a nice organic evolution story to that, but cartography, as you know, is the study and creation of maps. My initial spell map, Mark Armstrong Pettigrew, and my first creations were literally from collecting all of these talismans and mementos from around the world. So that's kind of how cartography came to be. Uh but yeah, it was a um it was a uh hobby for a long time, and then um uh I was on a tour and I was at the gym in Dallas, and I was wearing one of my creations, and um a buyer for Neiman Marcus noticed it and came up and we started chatting, and he was like, Do you think I could have 40, you know, in a couple of months? I was like, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Because these are pieces that you kind of created from your travels.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

The the initial uh cartography creations, like I didn't even have a name by this point. I had no packaging, no marketing, no website. I literally just was wearing something around my neck. And at the time, Neiman Marcus was looking for this like edgy young designer content to fill in their um flagship stores. And uh a few months later, I flew down to Dallas and did a presentation. It was literally, I'm not kidding, uh, I took out a Nike shoebox in the office of Neiman Marcus and um put them on the table. And I I had collect at the time uh the each piece had a miniature pocket knife, a stone, a religious medallion, an animal, and some trinket related to travel. The really special pieces were like these miniature compasses. Uh, and there are also these um these visual optic things like uh uh little telescopes that if you held up to the light, there'd be like a miniature picture, and they were like from the 1800s. Oh wow. Um and so yeah, I I went into Neiman Marcus with a Nike shoebox for a presentation. Not surprised. And it's kind of wild to think like that because they were so expensive, you know, like one of those mini compasses could cost$200. And so they were retailing for upwards of like$3,000 once you combined the pocket knife and the chain and the animal and the stone and yada yada yada. And um, I didn't even have a company name. And um and yeah, that's uh step one of the origin story of cartography.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Did you have like whenever Neiman Marcus, the buyer came to you, and you know, at this time it's kind of just a hobby that you're creating these pieces, was that whenever you had a light bulb moment that this could be a business?

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Did it get you excited? It it got me excited, and uh I made lots of mistakes with that first big check I got. Um I was like, I'm gonna make t-shirts, and uh and I thought it'd be really cool to pick up all these uh vintage girly photos from the 30s and 40s and print them onto t-shirts. And you know, um one of the things I've learned in design is that you you feed yourself, but you also have to feed the masses, and quite often feeding yourself is not going to be the um the sellers. My my best sellers are always the the pieces that come quickly most easily, and so I I've always um I've come to learn if I want my artistic expression, I also need to balance it up with something that's palatable for the masses, and uh that took me a long time to learn. So with my I think I got like$40,000 from Neiman Marcus, which is great. That's very first my very first purchase. But the t-shirts cost me like because you need to buy bulk in order to get these price cuts. I basically, you know, spent the entire thing on the city.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

And how did the t-shirts go?

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Um, I mean, fine uh GQ got behind them a few times and and Ryan Reynolds liked them, so he posted a bunch and then stuff like that. But it was a long, long, long time selling them.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

So when did you transition to like going more headfirst into the design as we know it today, as I know it today?

SPEAKER_02 9:29

It was definitely more of an evolution because being self-funded, um, you know, and it was I I'm not trained as a jewelry designer, it was a lot of self-learning. And um, and so my first collection was called Travelog, because it was all these pieces that I found from around the world, and then um, and then I met a boy, and I thought, oh, I'm going to make him something special. And that's that was my first foray into um my very first design, and it was an anatomical heart. And within the heart, uh, you opened it up, and there was another heart. And uh it was based on the E.E. Cummings poem, I carry you in my I I Carry You, I Carry You In My Heart, wherever you go, blah blah blah blah. And um and the boy did not last, obviously, uh, but every time I get an order for it, and this coming up upon Valentine's Day, uh, I get many orders for that. I'm just reminded of him, and and I kind of thank him for you know that$350. Right. And and uh and if it wasn't for him, I'm I'm sure it would have happened eventually, but that was the uh initial kind of okay, let's try to create something by myself and of myself. And and then that began my very first uh other, I guess, self-made collection called In All the Wrong Places. And it's just a series of anatomical hearts inspired by um guys I've loved, whether it be relationships, uh One Night Stands, uh best friends. And uh and yeah, it's a collection that I still am very, very proud of.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Well, like I said in the beginning when I introduced you, is that you know, you do have thoughtful creation. And because I know you so well, when I look at your website and I see your pieces, you know, I look at them and I know a lot of the stories behind them, and I can see you in all of your pieces, which I think is really, really special in a designer because you're not just performing for the masses, you're not just designing for the masses, you're you're not a sellout, you're you are doing these things with intention, yeah, which is be which is beautiful. And you know, the way that you know I've I've gotten a lot of pieces from you over the years, the way that you are you package them and the way that they are presented, the Polaroids that are on my wall right there that come with from whenever you are packaging them, yeah, the scent of the cologne. I mean, everything is just so thoughtful and so beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Well, most of my business is online and I try to humanize it. Yeah. Because it's such a we're in such a digital world, and I want the experience that somebody, when they get the package, it starts from literally the moment they hold it. The scent comes from it, and then they open the package and my my ethos, my my motto, my whatever, my mandate, my I like all these words.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

My um, I don't know the rest of what's coming afterwards, but they all sound like that.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Well, it just basically says, you know, thank you for it's a it's a read, but it's basically thank you for finding us. You know, we're a small company, locally made.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Ethos is a good word.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Ethos. Um, you know, by supporting cartography or supporting other mom and pop shops because my manufacturers are on 45th Street here in New York, and then Rhode Island. Uh my assembly people are in Ohio and New York. Um, and so everything is ethically made, ethically sourced, and uh and a portion of proceeds always go to Brandy Carlyle's uh Looking Out Foundation. And uh the looking out foundation is exactly that um Brandy's always looking out for people, and so she's looking for these small um grassroots organizations that she can donate to. So I instead of finding these organizations that I know would be near and dear to me because she really focuses on the marginalized, um I donate money to that and then her organization.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Your um passion for music and singer-songwriters, and you know, I know that that is probably the biggest part of your heart. You live and breathe it. Um, you're a self-proclaimed lesbian. That's right. My necklace says dyke. When did that passion for music come about? Have you always had that since you were a little boy?

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Same genre? Because you have a specific genre, and I I I love your genre very much. When I when I need something to listen to for a certain situation, I know who to who to find, who to text.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Yeah. Um, no, when I was a little boy, uh I was uh a devotee of the Church of Madonna, for sure. Uh like every little gay boy in the 80s, and uh and uh you know there's there's nothing else I really listened to. And then um and then I moved to London and uh when I was 21. And I I I had flirted a little bit with singer-songwriter stuff through college, but it was kind of living in London and navigating a new city and being alone and and um you know just having a lot of time on the bus or the subway with my yellow Sony discman because this was yellow too. Yeah. In the days before iPods, and uh and that's when I really learned to pay more attention to lyrics and and uh like Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen were always on on my radar because of being Canadian, but I really dug into them uh when I lived in London.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

And so when did your current um other kind of path right now with training and coaching, when did that begin?

SPEAKER_02 15:59

That began. Um this is a really cute story. Um so I was working out at David Barton, and uh and Rufus came into the gym and he went to the front desk girl, and he wasn't a member. He, you know, back in the day David Barton was kind of that like uh famous haunt where you know people just ended up and uh and he asked the front desk girl Sharon Weinberg who the cutest boy at the gym was, and uh she called me over and he said, I'm going to Europe this summer. Uh do you want to come and train me on the road?

SPEAKER_00 16:49

That's a great story.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

Yeah, and that was 2008, and uh this is 2026, and as you know, I just got back from Holland with Rufus, and I'm going to France with him in in April, and so it's um it's one of my favorite, most formative, most important, uh impactful relationships.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Right, that's amazing. Yeah. Do you see the connection between the two things that you do when it comes to you know coaching and training and designing? Yeah, I I actually think uh Is there a through line, I guess?

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Yeah, I think I think training is actually also designing. Yeah. Um you know, most people uh will eventually hit the gym for aesthetic reasons. And that in its own way is is designing. And um then, you know, you're developing programs for people, uh you know, telling them what to do, how to do it. Um, you know, truly, truly designing them. And then of course the design aspect of uh cartography is a little bit more obvious.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

Do you have a passion more towards one than another? Or do you feel that it's nice to be able to vibrate back and forth? Because I guess in one aspect, if you get a little bit bored slash annoyed, slash over it, I mean we both burnt out, we all have those days. I mean, you can automatically turn to something else. I mean, let's face it, that's kind of why I creating this new division. We always you need something else because otherwise we're going to bury ourselves in the ground by doing what we do 24-7.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

Well, I'm pretty regimented with um as you know, I I train a few people in the morning and I then I work out myself and then I'm I'm gone by like noon. Right. Uh and then I focus on on cartography. Uh and you know, eventually uh, you know, just in terms of I I think of cartography more as like uh my retirement plan a little bit. And it's nice to have that passive income, and I have like I work with a great group of people, and the actual creation process for me is very quick, very simple, very easy. Like I think of ideas and execute them pretty quickly, and um and I think a very good thing about me is I surround myself with even better people. And so while I'm a good jeweler now, um the people I I work with are better, and so I create, you know, the sample, the prototype, whatever, whatever, and then I have a wonderful team of people that make it even better. Um and uh and yeah, and then uh I I'm I'm just maybe the the silly one or the stupid one or the the the brave one that uh is actually willing to you know invest in my own company and you know take the risk of putting it out there and you know putting all of the um the capital into the designs and you know just the general running of a business.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

You know, you you you do it all with such calm energy, as I said before. I mean, there is not a single soul that knows you that I speak with that doesn't say that from the get. You know, people always say, Oh, they always speak about your energy. And I often get compared to you, which is like the biggest compliment. The biggest compliment ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, you know, we often wear the same clothes and we have a lot of the same energy in the gym.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

Yeah, somebody actually, one of my clients started going towards you the other day thinking it was me. And then she like saw me and she was like, Oh wait, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

I mean, there are there are you know, I think it's important to always have someone that you look up to, and I know I've told you before. I think I look up to you tremendously, and um, I'm very grateful for that. Yeah. Um whenever you first started cryptography um back in 2000 and what?

SPEAKER_02 21:28

I mean, the first hobbies of it were 2010, uh, you know, just rinky dink uh gatherings and my first um I think I had my website and all that stuff in 2015 I incorporated.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Have you been self taught along the way as far as like the business aspect?

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Uh yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Figuring it out as we go, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Uh I wouldn't go that far. Uh figuring out ish. Yeah, I I wish I had.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

uh a business mentor or uh somebody that that was a bit more guiding but i didn't do you have anybody ever reaching out to you for mentorship that are also creating their own jewelry line do people ask you for advice not just jewelry but in general entrepreneurial yeah things yeah yeah it's a nice feeling huh yeah it is uh it is and um i think i've i've earned some wisdom over the years that i can definitely impart what do you see cartography doing next is there is there some plan that you're keeping a secret from others do you have a vision in the next five to ten years with it i mean or do you just kind of are you going with how your emotions you know it's um it's been a really uh bizarre time in jewelry uh because of the cost of metals which in the last few years have really skyrocketed and um you know with the geopolitical climate um gold just keeps going up and up and up it's it's when I first started using gold in 2015 it was I want to say$1400 an ounce now it's fifty three hundred dollars an ounce that's big and in the uh evolution of like electronic vehicles and solar panels and AI data centers and the cost of gold uh silver which is a very uh the most conductive metal and is used in all of those industries has more than quadrupled in the last year and so uh cartography is about to have uh an interesting year I think where I I kind of have to assess how to navigate this new new terrain and pricing and you know like if something was$95 on my website now it's$145.

SPEAKER_02 24:10

Right. And that is a big jump because it's a new customer a new application. It's a new customer exactly so that is literally exactly what I'm focusing on now and trying to figure that out with uh some marketing people and part of that is really going to have to push the fact that it is you know made in New York it's not China it's silver it's not stainless steel uh it's adult hands not kitty hands you know making it um you know just really having to rely on the story of cartography small business uh ethically manufactured ethical sourcing and uh and because one thing that I want is for everybody to be able to wear cartography and um and maybe that's not going to be possible because you know some when people go shopping and they find me on Instagram you know they're like well I can buy something similar on Amazon for twenty dollars and I'm like then buy something on Amazon for twenty dollars like you know I I I would love to be able to do that but that's just not it's literally not possible because of your ethos and because of your ethics and things like that and what you want your your vision to portray.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Yeah and and I get you know contacted by uh manufacturers in in China several times a month you know just those random emails that come in and you know the price points look very very attractive but um uh just morally I I just wouldn't be able to so please buy me so you know you and I are both entrepreneurs and there are days where well I don't know I I would say that there used to be days where I personally would question you know taking this path of working for myself full time um I've worked for myself full time for over 12 years and um I wouldn't have it any other way. Yep. Um how about you I wouldn't be able to yeah no I think at our old age I don't think that we have another option.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Well I think I think an entrepreneur is kind of um it's who you are. It is you know and it would be fighting a very basic component of your your structure your DNA.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Do you think that um I I know again for me I think that with a lot of things that are happening in our world a lot of changes political climates you know it kind of makes me a little bit more grounded um protective of my own sanity and my own strength and my inner peace um because you know at the end of the day I still have to perform and I still have to run my work and my livelihood. So a lot of the outside noise can't I can't allow it to affect me more than a very small amount of time. Yeah. Do you relate?

SPEAKER_02 27:17

Yes yeah yeah it's it's it's a noisy world right now it's pretty mad um uh I mean I'm I'm really sad of course like yeah I mean I I I run melancholy anyway uh I'm just lucky that um I think I'm really funny and so I I I have if it wasn't for my ability to seek humor and to see humor and um uh you know if it wasn't for that ability I would be in big trouble. Right um that was my next question to ask you how do you protect your or keep your calm but I I guess that's keeping that humor and seeking it and I mean I have several things I had I had I had more um as you know um donut my my dog he was such a um a grounding force for me um uh before him I was definitely a New Yorker I was out all the time you know dinner out every night blah blah blah blah blah and um and having something to take care of other than myself uh really grounded me right and kept me home and made me just want to be home a lot and I love my home it's so cozy uh and um n he's not there anymore but uh I love being home and um and that grounds me um just playing music grounds me um I'm very fortunate to have uh really great supportive friends and family that ground me and um and yeah for as um exciting as life can be with you know being an entrepreneur and and all the traveling and and living in New York uh at the end of the day it's just you know being in that quiet place at home.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Do you have any daily rituals? I mean you know me you know my rituals I'm a crazy person. And every time you I I tell you about them you have this look on your face just like how you did now that you you you think I'm a nut job.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Uh I would just I mean the fact that you are able to execute so much so early before getting to the gym.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Yeah. I'm telling you but I I said this to someone else recently and like this is only because it works for me now. Yeah it will evolve it will change it will probably loosen up a little bit I can't imagine it being more rigid than it already is. So as I let go of some walls and continue to grow then I'm sure I'll be able to brick by brick take some of these things down. And maybe even have dinner on a Wednesday night. I don't know that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

I I think it it sounds so like you know sometimes when you post it and you have like your eye patches on and I didn't know you just meditated and and you've been on the bike and and when I wake up in the morning I have all I can do to have a make my cup of coffee which is my as you know I'm never without coffee it's my elixir. So no other rituals? No I I I have a few unfortunately I am addicted to the news um for better or for worse I it's uh not the first thing I do in the morning the first thing I do is wordle and my dad does wordle as well and so what I love about that is I text my dad every day now. So uh the first thing I do is is wordle and then a few hours later I get a text from him and he'll say three meaning he got it in three which tells me he's done it and then I send him my screenshot and then he sends his screenshot. Who's winning? Uh we're pretty even I would say um we're pretty even and then he tells me about the weather he slips into dad mode and uh and but it it it keeps me you know grounded and connected that daily ritual of Wordle. And then um and then yeah I read the news and and I uh start my daily spiral into depression come on which I find you know hilarious so I mean there's okay there's a pause.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Yeah yeah when it comes to cartography or yourself as a brand you know Mark Pettigrew what do you hope that people take away from a meeting with them um a interaction with you um from you know you as a person your business training what do you hope that people walk away from knowing about you a lot um I mean the the the the the best compliment somebody can give me is that I'm funny um I think I think that's such a wonderful gift to to make somebody smile to make somebody laugh um uh and in but in and that's you know if you know at the gym or or out for dinner um and stuff like that but if you're talking about uh the cartography work um I like my pieces to be conversation starters and I like uh as you said there's a lot of intent and meaning behind them so I like I like them to tell a story and uh you know through working with Rufus through being friends with Brandy and the twins um you know and and all of the people I meet through the singer-songwriter world um it it really does reflect back into my work uh I wish I were a musician I think it's you know one of the most beautiful things you can do uh but I can't tell a story that way and so somehow I've evolved to telling stories through jewelry and um and yeah whether it's like you know the the uh anatomical heart series I did or I'm a huge fan of Patty Smith so I devoted an entire collection to her uh primarily based off her books Just Kids and the M Train um and her relationship with with Robert Maplethorpe.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

I like subversive and juxtapositions which always show up in my jewelry you know juxtapositions and and subversiveness show up a lot in my designs like my dike necklace and I did a faggot one I have this it's one of my bestsellers it's a heart not an anatomical one but like a traditional jewelry shaped heart and it says be kind on the front and then you flip it open and it says of a cunt. Right. And um and a lot of the stuff I make um you know my mom sees a lot of it and she'll be like I don't know who's gonna buy that I'm like okay I'm on something just wait and uh and she's like well at least it's not a penis and I'm like well that's a good idea. And say with like uh with the faggot and and be kind of a cunt um the New York Times featured both of them.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

So you know I I like conversation starters I like something that might rub somebody the wrong way.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Well you throw them in just enough right you sprinkle them in just enough for yeah and that's the stuff I was talking about earlier.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Like that's the stuff for me. Um and you know they're the conversation starters and then yeah I have much safer things right um that to me always seemed like filler but they uh they do they're they're the ones that do well. With the jewelry I like people to um you know have that conversation piece have something that means something to them um you know for the number of of guys that that email me if they bought the faggot necklace you know they're like thank you you know like this is you know I'm so proud to wear this word on my neck.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

That's a great thing to read yeah an email.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Yeah and um and it was definitely risky um but like I said the New York Times caught wind of it and and they ran like a really lovely article and you know it was they acknowledged the fact that it's a childhood taunt for a lot of boys and and myself included you know it's about uh repossessing something and not taking power away from something but also being a really proud faggot. Right. Like one of the things that you know um when I first came out and you know like you would hear things like oh I I you know didn't know you were gay or you know I'm so surprised and it's like I want you to know I'm gay. Right. Like how am I gonna get laid and uh and you know if like the the reason you come out is not because you're trying to pass us straight. It's because you're proud of who you are and you know wear it like a badge of honor and a badge I mine says dyke because as you said I'm a lesbian and that's how I'm self-proclaimed.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Yep um I think that I think that your brand is amazing and I think that you're amazing and um before we finish we're gonna do a little rapid fire here.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Okay.

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So morning training or evening training for yourself late morning. One word you use to describe your energy right now. Uh kind of up actually oh this is up okay okay wait what I thought you were gonna say melancholy oh no no this conversation has brought brought it up a lot of joy yeah a physical movement you always come back to in the gym uh squatting piece of jewelry that you never take off do you have one of those yeah I I wear my stack silence or music while you're creating music right of course what grounds you fastest whenever things kind of fall off or maybe when you feel sad or feel down I think I still need to find something okay like yeah it was definitely donut but um yeah yeah city energy or a quiet space quiet space but with the access to the madness something that you're currently unlearning imposter syndrome final one what does being strong mean to you right now uh being vulnerable yeah it used to be stoic but now it's um it's being vul vulner I can't even say it I'm still learning vulnerable scared of it yeah yeah thank you for being here thank you for having me you're very funny thank you so much I love you I love you too so thank you for listening um you've listened to me Mark Pettigrew Mark Pettigrew's jewelry line is called cartography and the website is cartography.nyc and so is his Instagram his personal Instagram because he is a cool guy is the boy that fun forgot wherever you're listening watching and viewing this podcast please like and subscribe um any questions or at questions at mindbody method podcast dot com and my Instagram is josh grim underscore fitnot f I t and u t see you next Wednesday thanks thank you for joining me today on Mind Body Method this podcast is part of Pridehouse Media hosted by me Josh Grimm produced and edited by Josh Rosenswike original music composed by Nick Ballivan if you enjoyed this episode please subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts and while you're there leave us a rating and review it really helps others to discover the show. I'd love to stay connected with you so join the conversation by following me at Josh Grimm underscore fitbut on Instagram and by emailing me at questions at mindbodypodcast.com