006 - The Uplift Podcast: Identity, beyond the mirror with Jenny Chistyakova

What happens when the thing that gave you identity stops serving you?

Former NPC & PCA bikini competitor Jenny Chisty gets raw about stepping away from the stage and navigating the identity crisis that followed. 

Her life revolved around prep cycles, stage weight, and how her body looked under lights—until she realised it wasn't making her happy anymore.

This conversation isn't just for competitors. It's for any woman who's built her worth around appearance and wants to find purpose beyond the mirror.

Jenny shares the grief of losing her "competitor body," the messy process of untangling worth from aesthetics, and what she's gained on the other side: freedom, sustainability, and training that actually fulfills her.

You'll discover:

• The identity crisis that comes with stepping away from aesthetic goals
• How to navigate body changes when you stop maintaining "stage condition"
• Finding challenge and purpose in training beyond how you look
• The difference between lifestyle training and competition mindset
• Practical steps to shift from appearance-focused to purpose-driven

This episode is for you if: You've built identity around how your body looks, you're achieving aesthetic goals but feel empty, you're tired of measuring worth by your reflection, or you're ready to find fulfillment beyond the mirror.

The Uplift Project is about building purpose away from just how you look. This is what that journey actually looks like. If you are interested in joining he next group you can enquire via our instagram link. 

Hosted by Scarlett Portues 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Hello guys, and welcome back to the Uplift podcast. Um, we are here today with another fantastic guest and going to dive into a little bit more of like the identity side of confidence building. Um, because I know that people get caught up in this trap sometimes, and whether you are a competitor or not, or just genuinely on your lifestyle journey, I feel like this will be a good episode for you to either save, refer back to, um, and yeah, help you on your way. So I have got Jenny Justy just newly weared, so you know I've asked her what um how to pronounce her name, I'm terrible at facing, so probably butchered it. But um I've known Jenny for a long time. Uh, we used to train together up in Durham. Um used to be very much bodybuilding focused, the the lifestyle, and where this podcast isn't necessarily anything to do with bodybuilding, um, you know, there are elements of where we come from and what brings us to this point. So um I am going to let you start with your journey. Introduce yourself, Jenny, and yeah, we can kind of go from there.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Okay, so um without going back too far, I was in the bodybuilding space for the last seven, eight years. Um, I did five preps over seven years. I was a bikini competitor, and that was very much my identity. Now I haven't actually officially said anywhere, I just kind of slowly shifted away. Um, but I am 99% sure I am done with bodybuilding. Um, I always say 99 because I'm a never say never kind of person, and you don't know what the future holds. But definitely my identity for the last nearly a decade was built around being the bodybuilding competitor. I was coaching, I still do coach competitors, I'm also a posing coach. All my weekends were spent at shows, like it was very much who I was, or it felt like who I was. And so at now I've kind of been, and I I quite proud of myself on this that I started the work about figuring out who I was before I actually stopped bodybuilding, and it's made this transition much easier into being like, Well, I do know what I like and who I am out of the gym a little bit more than I definitely did a few years ago, but that's kind of where I'm at just now is just trying to find where I fit within fitness, where I fit in the general scheme of things, and just what I enjoy that isn't me attaching myself to that one thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

Yeah. So what I know you said you kind of shifted it slowly. Like, what was the decisions that led you to that? Because I mean, you can go from being like fully diehard bodybuilding, which I know you weren't, and I I wasn't as well at that point in time. Like it was everything, and then what what do you feel shifted? Or was it anything in particular?

SPEAKER_00 3:23

So, yeah, so I I was diehard bodybuilding when I first started. So I would say 2019, 2020, 2021, I was in that bubble. I was it was like prep was year-round, like off season was there was no off-plan meals, it was super, super structured. Um, and then I was so burnt out, and I thought at that point I nearly was done in 2022 because I was like, I can't be, I can't be all in forever, it's too much. So I took a year off and I kind of found a little bit of balance there where I was like, well, do you know what? I think I think I want to go once more and prove to myself that I do still love it. So that's I did a secret prep at that point because I just wanted to prove to myself that I was doing it because I enjoyed it and not because that was just all I knew. So that I did and I really enjoyed. And then after that, I was I also then was like, Oh, am I done now? And I had like another kind of year where I did silly things like taught myself how to dress not in gym clothes, like I didn't even own a pair of jeans at that point, which is kind of mad. Like I it didn't exist, I was so lost in. I was like, right, how do I dress? What do I do if I'm on the weekends, if I'm not going to the gym, like what do I do when I'm not somebody who's going on mad nights out and things, and you know, that took a bit of time to rediscover. It was like kind of that time that I rediscovered how much I love things like reading and things, so um, so that was like a good shift, and then last year I was like, I think I've got one more prep in me, and in hindsight, I I probably was just doing it because I was a bit scared to be like, oh no, I am done. But I did another one, it it wasn't my favourite prep, but I did it. Um, I was also getting married later in the year, so I think I was just I had too much going on. It wasn't I and then at that point I was like, I can keep going, but at this point, I'm not just like what am I to keep turning up for? I'm probably not good enough to be a top pro. Like, I've done eight, nine shows. Nine shows, but I can't remember. Um I've done that many, so I'm done. And then yeah, this year I was like, I'm not gonna say never. I gave myself so I did my show in April, that was my last one, and I didn't formally make a decision until January. That I was like, and I went back and forth in all extremes in between that time. Like, I was gonna squeeze in another prep to do shows in November. I was gonna like I was then like, oh no, I'm done, come like July, I'm never doing it again. And I yo-yo'ed like that for a long time until I was like, no, do you know what? If it's not a hell yes, it's a no. So that's what solidified that. And yeah, I just kind of decided I'm not gonna make I don't want to make not competing my new identity. I want my identity to be me. And so I was like, I'm not gonna be, and I have not obviously different people depending on like your circumstances, that might be the right thing for you. But I didn't want a big announcement, I didn't want a fuss, and I wanted to just sorry, the dog's on my lap, by the way, if she goes a bit. Um, I just wanted to be able to shift gradually and to just really connect with people on that level rather than people connecting with me because I'm not a competitor. Does that make sense? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Did you feel like you experienced a bit of an identity crisis then at any point? Yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

I would say I've experienced an identity crisis almost every like yearly for the last three to four years. Um and especially around December, January, before I had, so obviously I had a lot, I had sponsorships and things within bodybuilding specific areas of and being like, okay, if I step back from them, like that's it, that's final. That's me saying goodbye to that bit. And I danced around this for so long, and I was like, it felt so final and so big. And then I was like, right, but if I stop this, what do I do? Like, who am I? And I see a lot in the fitness industry of people like they stop bodybuilding and they go all in on another discipline, like they're running a marathon, they're doing a high rocks, they're and I I I could feel myself wanting to do those things so that I could fit in with another group and put myself on another box because that feels so comfortable. And so I've been I've kind of set myself like I'm like, I'm not allowed to do anything extreme until at least next year. So if I want to, and I can't say I see it happening of me doing a high rocks or running a marathon anytime soon, um, if ever, or anything, like again, obviously, like anything extreme, any going full in on any sport, because I feel like it's a re it's like a replacement of that, okay. Just put me in this other box that I know what the rules are and I know who I should be to be this person, but that's not necessarily me. So I want to make sure that I'm putting in the work now to find out what I do actually like and not just okay, what makes me feel secure and fit in with a group of people that I can identify with.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

Yeah. How do you how have you navigated this then? Like, what have you been doing that's allowed for you to figure out what what you like, what you don't like? Because I I thought I think I saw some bits of you doing um like mood boards and things like that. And I know people absolutely butcher them, but how have you like how have you made them action?

SPEAKER_00 9:20

So basically, one of the first things I did, I sat down and I just wrote out things I like, right? And it was the most in honestly, it was probably a hundred, and it was most random things. It was like laughing, reading, you know, and then I'd be like, right, if I like reading, what do I like reading? Okay, I like reading romance books, right? Cool. Like um I like sitting in bed early because I don't like to be up late. I like a workout that makes me feel like I've worked hard. I like I like being more social. I like, and then I I would kind of went through all this thing of like just writing all the things I like down, and even things like I like colourful clothes that make me feel good, you know. I you know, little things like that that I was like, right, what can I just pick out of thin air that things that generally make me happy, being outside, like I say, it was a whole mix, it wasn't like just sports and it wasn't just hobbies, it was things like you know, meeting friends for coffee or being at the beach, like I love being by the shore, like silly things. And from that, I was like, right, how can I make more of that happen in my life? Yeah, because at the end of the day, who you are is kind of what makes you happy, and you will find that you feel more like yourself when you're doing more of the things that make you happy, and obviously in day-to-day life, there's plenty of things we have to do when it comes to work, adult life that are things that we just have to do because that's just life. So I was like, how many more of these things kind of build in? And from there, I was like, right, I'm gonna try and try as many new things as possible or things that fit within that. So, you know, I was like, I like keeping active, I like fitness. Let me see if I can go to some fitness-based classes. Can I go to more fitness-based events? Can I connect with people on social media? Like even things like commenting on people's posts who you follow or messaging them and being like, hey, like you're doing really good. Like, do you wanna go for a workout? Or, you know, like just putting yourself out there and not being afraid to either not enjoy something or suck at it.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Um, which I think is when you're stuck in that rut and you've done the same thing for a long time and you're like, I'm I can feel this shift happening, you have to be prepared to be not very good at things or not very confident at things. And that definitely takes some getting used to when you've done the same thing for like, yeah, nearly a decade, and you're up like you asked me to just if you said, right, just do a prep, I'd be like, Yeah, I can do that, I can execute that, I can talk. You want me to do a bodybuilding podcast? Go for it. You want me to, you know, talk about that? That's fine. But yeah, it took a lot of like, so yeah, like I say, I basically just deciding what I like and what I don't like, and following that, even if sometimes I've done things I've been like, mm-hmm, probably not what I would invest in all the time, or maybe that thing wasn't for me, but I tried and that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

Yeah, would you say that like because obviously you do still coach in pause and you're still very much sort of in it, but not necessarily for yourself. Like, do you feel like as a coach, especially like the shift from like just posting like your physique all the time and things like that? Do you feel like that was quite scary? Because like I feel like it is sometimes it's very easy to hide behind your body.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

If like you've come from that bodybuilding background, like it's very easy to just hide behind your own progress and your own physical shape. So, like if you're in a prep, you don't have to think about what you're putting out there in that kind of deeper sense. A lot of the time, there's always something to say, it's exciting, you're documenting, your body's changing, you're in an off-season, it's you can talk about that relevant thing. Whereas when you're just being it all of a sudden you're like, Oh, what what do I what do I say when I'm not hyper focused on this one goal? And in terms of coaching, like I definitely feel like I actually think I can be a better coach. I think I can I think coming out of the bubble makes me see the bigger picture better. Um, so the goods and the bads of competing, the being able to support people more post-show, and also like a lot of my girls are first-timers, and a lot of them will compete and not necessarily ever compete again. And I think I'm definitely better equipped now to help them through that than I was before I'd ever done it. Um, and a big thing for me is that I'm I've not left bodybuilding feeling like it's done something bad to me. I am I'm quite proud that I did stop before I got to the point where I felt like it was really detracting from me. And I think that that's obviously a really hard thing to do is just like because I could keep I could have kept going, and it wasn't that my health was truly in the gutter, or that I was at this breaking point, it was just that I could feel that that was probably coming up in the next year or two, and I didn't want to get there.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Yeah, it's kind of like that stop before you get stopped.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like, I was like, I don't want to hate this, I don't want to hate this thing that's been part of my life and part of my identity, part of my social circle for so long. Because like I've met some of my best friends through bodybuilding, I've had so many amazing opportunities, I owe it a lot, yeah. So I didn't want to keep going to the point of then becoming somebody who resented that part of my life because it has genuinely built where I am today.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Yeah, I think you because you see a lot of people who you know they come out of it and they just start slating it, but like there's literally so many positive parts of it, like it helps you build discipline, it helps you like understand more about like your how you can challenge yourself, and you know, from a small part of it, it is healthy until you're prepping, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

But like for the most important it teaches you about the importance of health, I think. Although it might not be a healthy approach long term, it teaches you to look so you'll you'll know as well, like when you're at the end of a prep or in the middle of an off-season, like when you feel really unfit in the middle of an off-season, you're like, God, I value feeling fit. When you're at the end of a prep and you're so low energy, like, God, I value being full of energy. And obviously, when you choose to keep putting yourself in those environments, you're like, Why am I still doing why am I still putting myself in this if that's how I feel?

SPEAKER_01 16:12

I think like as well with the the uplift project that I do, which is more about um not just how you look, but like building those discipline points in um with people who have never really experienced that before, um, but not really making it focused about how they how they look, etc.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Um so how do you feel like now, like within your training? Because I know you're someone who does still train regularly, like, how do you feel about um what your body does for you and and how do you kind of ingrain that within your identity now?

SPEAKER_00 16:47

So my view for training now is that like I want I want a body that I feel good in. Like, I always say, like, I think it's very naive of us to totally take vanity out of the equation because we all want to feel good and feel confident, but my confidence doesn't come from being my smallest self anymore. Um, I value feeling strong and I value feeling functional. Um, I've picked up a lot of injuries over the years from having to train certain ways to fit certain criteria, and so now I I enjoy trying functional movements, and there are so many things I'm so bad at. Um, like I went to an event recently and they were trying to get us to do like a push press, and my brain just couldn't not add a tempo and pause at my chin, and they were like, Oh, it doesn't count if it comes to your collarbones. And I was like, I've never taken a barbell to my collarbones in my entire life. I was I was I was like, this is going against everything I know, and being able to improve on those skills, and yeah, I'm basically just thinking, like, you know, I'm gonna be 30 in the next year and a bit. I want to be able to get into my 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, being strong and functional and fit, and I want to be, I don't want to be at, you know, 60 or 70 and be somebody who has to sit, or my only form of exercise is walking. Like I want to be going for a bike ride, I want to be, you know, going to like a little gym class or a swim or you know, being able to keep up those elements and be the make the most of all years of life rather than it just being about how I look now.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Yeah, but I definitely feel like when I hit 30, I had this like shift. Yeah, like I just started to think more like that because I feel like for me, like I was so extreme for so long with everything. Like it it is a form of you know self-destruct in a way sometimes, you know. Constantly like, I need to do this, I need to be, you know, the best at this, and you know, push yourself and you you know you're awful yourself sometimes. Um and then when I got to like 30, I just like the way that I think and the way that I train and like how I want other females to think as well, like is it's so different. And I don't know if you do just get to a certain age and you're just like, oh, we want it. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Yeah, 100%. I think it's just one of those things that you you kind of think like the risk versus reward element starts to weigh up. And without going into any details, I did have like a little bit of a health scare in my last prep um that made me be like, you every time I thought about prepping again, um this so basically my blood sugar plummeted and I passed out. Um and I was like, every time I think about doing it again, I think if that keeps like I've that's never happened in all my preps I've ever done. And I'm not that doesn't I've never had that happen to a client, it's never happened to anybody I know personally. Like I have it was just one of those things I'm like, and I'm a big believer in like science from the universe and blah blah blah. And I do think that that was kind of like every time I think about prepping again, that pops into my head, and I'm like, no, that was that was some somebody was trying to tell me something, yeah, and I'm an idiot if I don't listen. Um and it's just not worth it, you know, to yeah, like I just there's so many, there's so many elements to life, and like you say, you do get into this bubble where you're like, this is how I succeed, and my measure of success is this one thing, and how I viewed myself, my success, like even to the point where even if business was good, I was like, Oh, if I if I'm not being the best bodybuilder I can be, where I'm not achieving things in this one area, then I'm not good enough. When actually life's about having like, you know, so obviously sometimes you need to focus in on one area, and I appreciate that discipline and that structure that bodybuilding taught me about going all in and what you can achieve. But when you're going all in every single year, year after year, on the same thing, it's especially if you are stepping back and you're not fully fulfilled or fully happy, it's like, why am I expecting a different outcome when all I'm doing is the same thing over and over and over again?

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Yeah, yeah. And like so, within that sense, like if you were to speak to uh the listeners here, like, and they they're not necessarily coming from a competitor standpoint, but they they want to find that that bit of balance with the different trying different things, right? Um and maybe like all they've ever known is to diet is like

SPEAKER_00 22:00

only weight of progress or um things like that what would you say that your message is like helping people through that like because I feel like whenever anyone thinks about progress they just think about dieting and there's just so much more elements of it like you know what would you what would you suggest to people listen so I always say like dieting only accentuates things in life so especially if you're really unhappy if you're unhappy about yourself in general yes dieting can fix the outside but you're not going to you're not going to actually shift into being somebody that you necessarily want to be if anything it can sometimes just feed the more critical side of yourself so yes dieting can be a great tool but outs if you're not doing the work outside of dieting to know okay who do I want to like if you want to be more confident yes feeling better in yourself is going to be part of that but like I can speak from experience sometimes the smallest I've been has been some of the least confident I've felt um and sometimes you need to focus on who you are outside of what you come across what you look like to the outside world and exercising different like so discipline helps in all forms and it's not just discipline within food and training and cardio but discipline and you know doing the things you said you're gonna do if you want to make more friends go more go do more things go to more places put yourself in social situations dieting isn't gonna necessarily bring that side of you're not gonna make more friends by dieting if anything you're gonna lose them you know um and so like of course you can diet while doing those things but yeah go to a run club put yourself in a situation that's more social if you want to feel like for me a big part of it was like knowing who I was outside of exercise well doesn't matter how many gym classes I go to I'm not gonna know that so it's like right how do I dress on the weekends like if I'm just putting like trackies and a matching sweatshirt on and hiding underneath that all the time I'm never gonna know who I am so it's like go and buy the jeans you know spend a little bit of money on yourself invest in yourself in other ways if you want to improve your mindset what content are you watching you know thinking about changing that environment sorry I'm gonna cough sorry it's like sorry about that um but yeah I definitely think as well changing what I consume has made a huge difference like when I made that decision like I still because I'm still coaching and posing I haven't totally taken myself away from all the bodybuilding online content but there's now a great tab on Instagram where you can kind of set your algorithm and you can say ah show me more of this show me less of this and I just went and did that and I took the keyword of bodybuilding out and so I still see the people who I know and the people that I connect with but I'm not being fed things that constantly remind me. So if you want to improve your mindset go and ask Instagram to show you more mindset content. Go and consume more podcasts around that you know read those books if you're constantly like spending your time doing something that isn't actually making you feel good like you know say you're sat watching you know reality TV every night and you're like oh I really wish I had a better mindset like just replace that time doesn't have to be every night but do a little bit of something to help you improve and eventually you'll start to shift and shift is gradual like I think that was the biggest thing for me is it's like I'm not gonna suddenly feel like this whole new person. Yeah it's some days I'm gonna feel great some days I'll feel a bit lost some days I'll be super happy some days I'll be like what have I done but overall the shift is becoming more and more positive the longer that I don't just revert back to my old comfort zone.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Yeah I think that's is what holds some people back as well is they don't realise that it is a gradual thing. Even if you're sort of in a a stressful situation or you know say like you don't like your job and you're really stressed about that all the time and people think that they can't move away from them things to try new elements um and and they keep themselves stuck because of that fear of not being able to change straight away.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

But like you say like just trying new things and and like being honest with yourself really isn't it like if you're not happy and you want to make some changes to how you feel then you have to understand what is draining you as well and you know sometimes it's hard as well and like I think we're fed a lot these days about burnout and the idea of burnout and for a long time I just told myself I was burnt out and it took a bit of a harsh reality for me to be like maybe I'm not burnt out maybe I just don't enjoy this anymore and like that was a hard thing to swallow because everyone just tells you that oh you're burnt out rest you know take a break and it I just got to put my it doesn't matter how much rest I take it doesn't matter how many holidays I have it doesn't matter you know how many social media detoxes I have I still feel burnt out and so maybe it's not burnt out maybe it's just that I'm not enjoying it anymore and that's and the thing is is comfort zones look different to everybody and just because my comfort zone was bodybuilding and then most people that's not their comfort zone most people that's way out of their comfort zone but leaving your comfort zone is hard no matter what it was because me turning up to like a functional fitness class felt so much scarier than me going on stage in a sparkly thong. Yeah and it's when you say that to people they're like but why and I'm like because it's just not my normal and that's and you know if your normal is you know being in a job that you don't like but it's a paycheck and it's it's coming through it's really easy to stay there because that's comfortable and you know what's going to happen and I was actually I was speaking with this like a client I actually put a TikTok up about yesterday but it the one of my main things that I've followed this last year is reminding myself that you want to take the path of least regret. So I always frame it to myself that like okay if I have multiple options which one when I'm old and frail and I'm in my care home which one will I regret the least so like when it came to doing my last prep last year I knew it was it was too short a time frame for me. I'm normally somebody who needs longer that's obviously the point but I knew that if I didn't try once more I'd probably regret it. So I was like well do you know what we'll do it if I don't place that well my life will not end it will be okay the same with like okay if I do another prep I'm now at like getting to that age where I'm like I don't want kids right now but I do want a family at some point if this next prep is the one that messes with my hormones that causes any health issues I will regret that more than if I do it so I'm not gonna do that and I'm gonna and I think just phrasing things in that way and making yourself take a step back and be like okay in five years time if I look back on this decision will I regret trying or will I regret like not trying like and that's a bit cynical but it helps you take a step back and kind of take the emotion out of the immediate situation because sometimes the scarier decision is the one you'll probably feel better about later on.

unknown 30:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

I love that yeah it's my little phrase of the moment well it is it's a good way to think about it isn't it um because people just think you'll regret the things that you don't do but sometimes you will regret the things that you keep doing or you know choose to ignore. Yeah I think as well we and I don't know if you're the same but like especially when you're dealing with like family or people of like maybe older generations or just like how I was brought up was that like safety and comfort was like you know was number one like you know secure job you know get house mortgage you stay there that is your safe space and I found myself like falling into that trap and I'm like it's probably not how I actually feel I want to live my life deep down yeah and I have through my life made many a decision that the people around me have been like that is not like so you know I dropped out of uniform I've done all kinds you know I've instead of going back to uni I became a PT and then you know built my business that way and then I started bodybuilding and everyone's like you'll never make a career of bodybuilding and coaching online or you know posing coaching what but like there's always a way and even if it's not the most conventional way if it's what makes you happy it's worth it and I would rather be a little bit less well off or you know not in society's eyes as qualified or as anything like that but I'm happy in general with what I'm doing and you know I I think that when you if you start to value what you want and what you like rather than what society tells you you should be doing you'll start to find that you do feel better and also things tend to work out anyway you know yeah so what um is like a little bit of a a little bit of a closer as well so like what would one thing that you would say to someone um like if you were in the thick of it like either competing or sort of career or whatever that needs to be like you just know deep down that it's just it's time to to change or shift an identity exactly you're on that that brink like what would you want someone to say to you if that was you because obviously you did this on your own and you found it yourself but if someone's on that brink from someone who's gone through it what would you what would you say to that person so every emotion is temporary and every feeling is temporary.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

So just because it felt good doesn't mean that now when it feels bad that there's something different and if it feels bad you have the power to change it and it won't be bad forever but you sometimes have to make those hard decisions and honour how you feel and especially I think definitely with emotion it's very easy to act on impulse but there also signals you know if you're constantly unhappy if you constantly feel like you want a change sometimes the scariest action is the one you need to take and it's not going to shift overnight it's gonna be slow and it's gonna be gradual and you might doubt yourself and people around you might doubt you and it might seem like the craziest thing in the world and sometimes you've got to take a step back to continue to move forward so you know sometimes one step back is worth it for three steps three steps forward and that's not a failure that's just life amazing love it thank you so much for for sharing your story on the uplift podcast thanks um so where can the listeners obviously find you your coaching your work etc I'll pop it all down but yeah so both my Instagram TikTok which socials I use are Jenny Chisty so ch I s t y um and then Chisty no R. And then um my my coaching that I do with my husband is driven D R V N coaching which is linked on my profile as well.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

Awesome thank you so much for listening guys and we will catch you in the next one. Thank you bye