007 - The Uplift Project: Finding confidence through strength with former IFBB Figure competitor Barbara Kiss

What does it actually mean to feel confident in your body — not just look confident, but genuinely feel it from the inside out?

In this episode, I sit down with Barbra Kiss — IFBB Pro figure competitor turned CrossFit and strength athlete — to talk about one of the most underrated shifts a woman can make: moving from training her body to look a certain way, to discovering what her body can actually do.

We get into the real cost of competing at a high level, what it feels like to walk away from something you've been defined by, and why starting over as a beginner past 30 might be the most freeing thing you ever do. This is a conversation about strength, self-trust, and the kind of confidence that doesn't disappear when the abs do.

If you're stepping away from a sport, trying something new, or rebuilding your relationship with your body — this one's for you.

"Strong isn't a size, it isn't a placing, and it definitely isn't a reflection in the mirror. It's what you discover when you stop performing for everyone else and start showing up for yourself."

What We Cover

• What life as an IFBB Pro figure competitor really felt like day to day
• The moment Barbra knew there was something beyond the stage
• Being a beginner again — the ego check of starting from scratch
• Confidence beyond aesthetics: what it means and why it matters
• Why women need to physically feel strong, not just be told they are
• What stops women over 30 from trying something new
• Building self-trust when the feedback isn't there yet
• How discipline evolves when there's no competition to train for
• What to say to the woman standing at the edge of something new and terrifying

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hello guys and welcome back to the Uplift podcast and with your host Scarlett. Today I am joined by Barbakiss. So Babs is someone who I have had on a previous podcast when we used to do bodybuilding, figure, all of that stuff. So if anyone did use to listen to that and now listen to this, then you might have uh caught our episode with Babs before. So I want to just let Barbara introduce herself. So like a little bit of an intro of like who you are for anyone who doesn't know, um, and then just where you're at currently now, and then what I'll do is we'll we'll let the the show kind of flow and and I'll pick out the bits that I want to really help to inspire people from your story um when it comes to this episode. So welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

Well, thank you so much, and thank you for having me. Um, I'm really excited for this conversation because, like you said, we um obviously the last time we spoke on a podcast was um when we were both um in our bodybuilding um era and uh a lot has changed um since then. So I uh competed in bodybuilding for almost 10 years. Um I competed in figure um as an IFBB pro for um five years, six years. Um, and in 2024, after um many many years and many attempts of you know um achieving my best look and my best uh performance um in bodybuilding, I decided to step away from bodybuilding and uh um hang up my uh competition here and bikini. Um and um a few weeks later that a few weeks um um later I started uh CrossFit. Well, I started functional training. I didn't really know what sort of uh direction I would go um in when I first started. And um, you know, I I did a um a HIROX, I did um HIROX training. Um so I was a little bit all over the place, but I just I I knew that I needed a new goal um and something new to focus on, something completely different where I can be a beginner again and um you know um try new things and um and learn something new. And um yeah, now I I basically I do um I do CrossFit mainly and uh um I'm absolutely loving it. So I went from being a professional bodybuilder to now um you know uh focusing on more performance and um getting uh trying to um become a little sorry less less shit of a crossfitter.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

So what what kind of what made you come to that decision to feel in yourself that that was enough when it comes to bodybuilding? Because you know how it is, people are in it, and when you're at a pro level as well, it's it's your life, isn't it? It's everything you've put into. Like, so what was it that got you into that that point that you just didn't want to do it anymore?

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Yeah, I just felt like um that was um everything I had in me, and I I just I felt like there wasn't anything else I could achieve within the sport um whilst staying within my limits and you know boundaries that I set for myself when it comes to you know how much I'm willing to um invest into the sport and um you know things like um using assistance, obviously at that level um in my category. Um and uh yeah, I just uh I just felt like I achieved everything I could achieve within my boundaries. Um and um if I had continued, um probably would have just um seen my physique regress and my placing regress as well, which to be honest, that already happened as well. Um in the in in my final few years of um competing, my placings weren't getting any better, you know. So um although my physique was getting better, my placings just continued to to get worse. Um and yes, of course, you don't do this for the placings. You understand that it's not something you can control, uh, but at the same time, having you know put so much effort into the sport and into a prep and creating that physique, and then not really see the um the reward for it when it comes to um you know a placing or um some form of recognition, I guess. Um, you just get to a point where you're like, yeah, okay, like what more do I want from this sport? It's like no matter how much more effort I put into this, I'm not really going to get any better. I'm not going to make it to the Olympia. And therefore, you know, it's it's probably time for me to step away from it and you know just leave it there and and finish on a finish on a high note. But I'm happy with my look and I I feel like that's the the best I can I can bring.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Yeah. Do you feel like it became a bit more like you the sacrifice wasn't really going to be worth it in that respect as well?

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And and especially with the with the direction figure, and I guess all classes um are going and were going um now, you know, almost two years ago. The girls are getting bigger, the go the girls are getting more muscular, um, denser. I'm also not getting any younger. Um, and um, you know, to um to continue to to put my body through um um prep and off season and that limbo of you know body weight going up and down, um, you know, um sacrificing um my health, my hormones. Yeah, just wasn't happy to um to continue to do that.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Yeah. So when you initially stepped away then, and like, you know, you had to switch that mindset from focusing on building a physique and fitting a criteria and living that kind of very structured life, even like off-season, in-season, it's all pretty much the same, isn't it? When you live and breathe, bodybuilding, there's not really much balance when it comes to it. Like from deciding to step away and then having to alter your mindset. What was the main struggles that you felt like? Because I've seen your content change obviously a lot across the last couple of years, and you know, I like that you've been very honest about how you used to think and how you now are training yourself to think, because like you know, 10 years is a long time to live a certain way. Um, what kind of things did you do or did you struggle with initially when stepping away from that kind of lifestyle?

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Yeah, so first of all, what you mentioned about the uh the content shift and how I, you know, now I I speak about how I used to think or how I used to um um act and how I do now. Um, you don't actually realize how restricted you are and how much those actions affect you when you are doing it. And now stepping away from it and looking back and you know, having a lot more balance and a lot more freedom, and I feel like a lot healthier relationship with food, with exercise, with my body, with um, you know, anything um training related and non-training related things as well. Now I realize that oh my god, like the the way I used to think and act and um you know approach things, it was so restricted. And now I, you know, I have so much more freedom and so much more balance. So, you know, whilst you're doing it, you you you don't actually realize what you are doing and how restrictive you are. Um, and then obviously like stepping away from it, and it was definitely like um um um a slow uh process, so it didn't just happen overnight, and there was a lot of things that I had to learn. So, like, for example, um having a little bit more flexibility, you know, like um to nutrition, for example, slowly stepping away from following a very strict meal plan to now I'm I'm not even tracking uh my food. I I have no idea what calories I'm eating. I just you know, I just eat. I'm not going to say intuitively because that would be a lie, because obviously I'm applying the knowledge that I I gained over the years, but I'm I I went from like one extreme to now just having a lot more flexibility, and it was a slow process, so like slowly making those changes and slowly introducing a little bit more flexibility, and then obviously um like not focusing on my physique. So um I um when I finished competing, I was still working with my bodybuilding coach for um for a few months, and you know, I uh continued to check in in my uh bodybuilding poses, but then I was like, well, I need to stop this because I'm no longer working on a physique goal, so this physique is going to regress, and I it's it's never going to look as good as it used to when I when it was all about that physique goal. So it's just so unfair for me to continue to take these check-in pictures and then make the comparisons. You know, I was scrutinizing my pictures. Oh my god, yeah, I'm I'm I'm looking a little bit smaller, but you know, I'm not losing muscle and just your comparing condition. So I just stopped that. And um, I I actually stopped working with my bodybuilding coach as well because I I love her to bits, and um um, you know, she's a fantastic coach, but again, she was not able to help me with that with that new goal of like, okay, let's just leave all of that behind. So um, you know, I the the biggest challenge was to leave that all behind, but at the same time still uh use the knowledge I gained uh through those years without you know um continuing with that um same extreme approach and uh letting go of the control and seeing that as progress. Because I think often we think, especially in bodybuilding, the more control you have, the more extreme you are, the more restriction, the more restrictive you are, that is you see that as progress. Whereas stepping away from bodybuilding, it was the opposite. So letting go and letting go of the restrictions and introducing more flexibility um and um being more um more free, I guess, of restrictions, that was the progress, so it was a little bit all reversed. So that was the biggest challenge, and then obviously like changing my body, um, um seeing my body change as well.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah. Do you did you coach yourself then when you left um Mads?

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, so I um I just went on my own for um for a few months. Um I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't call it coaching myself because I I yeah, I just I just try to be intuitive to be honest with you, instead of you know doing check-ins and taking progress pictures. I I stopped taking uh progress pictures because again, I just thought, well, right now my focus isn't a physic. Yeah, of course, like I I want to look good, like who doesn't? Um and I want to make sure that I'm not gaining um um weight, I'm not gaining body fat. Um but at the same time, that wasn't my my my priority, that wasn't my main focus. My main focus was to get fit, you know, and set myself these challenges to started running. Um, like I say, started crossfit, and I just wanted to um get fitter and really focusing on those performance goals. But I thought if I get fitter and more efficient in the gym and you know, take up all these new challenges, the physique is going to be a byproduct of that. Um, so that's that's kind of what I focused on getting fitter, fueling my body for those sessions. Um, and then the physique is basically just a byproduct of it.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Yeah. I think as well, what what you touched on before about intuitive eating, and like I think unless you have that background knowledge of like what a balance plate looks like, what it looks like to fuel a heavy workout or your day-to-day, like I think that way of like not tracking is you know, it isn't gonna get you sort of the performance goals even in the gym, really, like, unless you've got that background of knowledge. Um whereas like there's that weird fine line, isn't it, where people are like, yeah, just intuitively eat. But it's like if you haven't got a clue how to, you know, build that.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Yeah, yeah, that's why I don't like to say intuitive because because it's not, because intuitively I wouldn't eat protein with every single meal. Intuitively, I wouldn't eat uh more carbs before my workout or more carbs after my workout. I do that because I know I learned that protein is important um and that I need to eat carbs to fuel my training sessions and then to you know fuel my body post-workout and and fuel my recovery. Um intuitively, I wouldn't eat um um um a really good amount of healthy fats. Um, I do that because I know how important I learned how important that is for my hormones. So, yeah, like everything I learned through bodybuilding, and that's why I'm, you know, when I'm when I make my content, I I I try to be careful because I don't want to sound like um I hate, I don't hate like I love bodybuilding, and I am so so grateful for all those years that I spent in bodybuilding and all the knowledge I gained because that is serving me right now, and because of that knowledge and because of those traits, I'm able to make the progress I am making in my in my new challenges.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Yeah, I think you see a lot of it with people who they do step away and then slate it a lot. Um but it does teach you so much in terms of like resilience and discipline and all of that stuff. Um I know I probably wouldn't even be coaching if it wasn't for being in bodybuilder. Exactly. No way, it's it's brilliant. I don't want to slag it up, um, but yeah, it it is it does serve a purpose, and I think when you are ready to go in a different avenue, then you do take them qualities with you. Um yeah. So let's kind of talk about your new venture then. Like when you started getting into CrossFit, um what was that what was that like, honestly, like being a beginner and just starting something new straight away? What was it like?

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Terrifying, terrifying, terrifying. Um just you know, walking into uh a new gym and uh into a gym as well. It is like not a um not um just um a gnomo gym, not not a bodybuilding gym, um, you know, not even knowing the equipment, uh the the name of the equipment or the you know understanding what is on the on the whiteboard, not knowing anyone. Um so a completely you know new environment, new people, um, new challenges, new movements, like everything was new. So I can I can really um you know um um I I really feel for the for the people that start out in the um in the gym and I can really relate to them now because going through that, it's you know, no matter who you are, no matter how experienced you are um and um you know how much like training background um you have, it's it's a new challenge and it is petrifying. Um and uh yeah, like you know, going from a a pro bodybuilder and being very good at one thing to then back to the bottom and and start having to start again and um um having to learn everything from from scratch. Um it was it was really um overwhelming, but at the same time I I really enjoyed the challenge as well, being a beginner and being the one that asks the questions instead of being asked, you know, um, and just being able to go through that process again. And it almost like it reminded me of my early bodybuilding days where you know I started going to the gym and I started seeing um the like more muscle and more definition. And it's I I think people often try to rush that uh phase, you know, everything we we want everything yesterday. Um, and there is so much beauty in that in that first uh part of the the process where you where you are just you know um at the beginning and you are putting the work in and you start noticing the the the progress, like yeah, just embrace it because you're never going to get those moments back.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like I did a little bit of well, last last year I started to do some um strong woman training with within the gym that I that I train at, and it was the same like completely new ways of training, trying to be a little bit more explosive, and it's like backwards to everything that you know in bodybuilding, exactly. Um but it is good, it's good to see that sort of progress come and the strength mindset shift as well. Um, so coming from being solely focused on what your body looks like and that kind of goal within your day-to-day, like how has being physically strong changed, like how you kind of move in everyday life, like not just in the gym, like how has that affected you?

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Um very positively, only only positively I'd say.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Um so in terms of uh do you mean like physically or just like Yeah, just like in general, like how has it had a big impact on your day-to-day?

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Or just a yeah, like um um really positive effects, to be honest, like only only positive. Um because I feel like when you're a bodybuilder and you you take it um obviously like very seriously and you you compete and you want to be the best, um, you that that's an extreme goal, and therefore your approach needs to be extreme as well, not just in training, but in all other areas of your life, you know, nutrition, daily routine, um, planning everything. You you can't leave the house without planning ahead, without knowing where you're going to eat, what you're going to like, taking your meals with you, um, you know, what time you're going to um eat, and just like planning literally everything around that physique goal. Whereas with performance goals, and you know, I'm pretty sure that the that um people at the highest that compete at the highest level in in CrossFit, in strong women, they need to be very regimented as well, of course. Like if you want to be elite, you your actions need to reflect that. But there is always um, I feel like there's a lot more flexibility um in these sports, in the performance-based sports, um, than you know, bodybuilding and like physique uh-based goals. Um, so just having that um um more flexibility and not having to be on it and uh be prepared all the time and being able to be a little bit more spontaneous, you know. If if um um a friend of mine wants to go for a coffee or wants to go for lunch today, I can do that because I don't have to make sure that every single calorie that I eat um needs to be prepped by me and needs to be tracked and and needs to be you know um 100% on point in terms of my routine as well. So you know, having a lot more flexibility in in all areas of of my life, like uh relationships, business-wise as well, um daily routine. So yeah, it's I think it's good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Do you feel like as well, like with the so body composition change? I know you said you stopped checking all of that, but like in yourself, like was there any struggles or do you feel any struggles in general now? Or are you quite you know, comfortable and confident? Like, how do you go from the mindset shift of just being focused on how you look to like Yes, being strong in the gym, but also being confident in your new body as well. Because you know, that there is that shift, isn't there?

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Um, yeah, absolutely. I I actually I feel so much better in my skin now. Um, I feel more confident than I've ever felt in my skin. Um and I think part of that is um because obviously with figure, especially when you are so in every season in figure, uh, we'll have the um will have its own challenges. In off season, you're gaining weight, you're bigger, you are um, you know, you're carrying a lot of weight, um, and it's yeah, it's just like a look where you where you are uncomfortable because you are trying to gain muscle and you are pushing for that, um, for you know, optimizing muscle gain. Um, so that's the challenge. And then in prep um or when you are lean, uh, you know, like people will stare at you and it's it's just a it's it's a really impressive look, isn't it? When you have a lot of muscle and then you're lean, you have a lot of definition and you know, veins popping everywhere. Uh, but again, that will have its its own challenges because it is impressive on stage or in the gym, but in everyday life, when you try to wear a cute dress, you know, that's it's definitely um um um a challenging. And then now I'm in a place with my physique where I just um I just maintain my physique and I just maintain a healthy um you know body composition, but I I feel like I'm you know I'm relatively lean, I'm not super lean, I'm you know, I may have abs all year round, basically. And I um and I'm people will say that no, that this is not true. I feel a lot smaller now, so although I I don't think that I lost a huge amount of muscle, but I I definitely noticed the changes in my physique. Um so I just feel I just feel a lot more balanced in a way in my physique, uh, which just um um yeah compared to where I was, I guess, with that constant limbo of like, okay, um, you know, being 30 kg um um above my stage weight and then being looking like a 14-year-old boy. Um now I actually I just I just have that happy medium, but I but I just feel really good in my skin. But you know, again, like it it was a slow process, and I would say it's only been the last sort of like uh four, five, six months where I I felt like this, like initially, but I um as I was transitioning from bodybuilding to um to performance, like the the changes were slow, you know, it doesn't happen overnight. So there was um um a period of time where um I still felt um um quite heavy and you know I was my body fat levels uh were higher as well because I I I also had to find that sort of like new uh confidence with my nutrition, you know, not following a meal plan and just like making sure that I'm I'm actually not overeating and um but fueling properly. So yeah, it's been it's it's it's been a slow process of like okay, letting my body to just like adapt to the um to the new um to the new approach and just constantly telling myself that yeah, okay, you know, focus on what my what my body can do instead of what my body looks like.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

And that helps a lot.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Yeah, I do have a lot of women, like even just people who tend to message like on Instagram or things like that, like about like the the mindset coming a little bit slower, like they can enjoy the gym and enjoy being like strong, but they're still very much attached to the way that they look and things, and I think as females we do always have that little nag, don't we? Um yeah, but it is one of them things where like you have to force yourself to to be a little bit more uncomfortable with that as well, don't you? Um because otherwise it'll just it'll always linger, and it's like who who are you beyond just what you look like to somebody?

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Yeah, absolutely. And the the thing is I I I think a lot of people that step away from bodybuilding, and even myself, I was so tempted to um, you know, I was I was a few weeks, well, not a few weeks, but um a few months post-show um um and started to uh prep for Hyrux and I was like, oh my god, like I need to start dieting, you know. Um or and then I I went on on holiday and I was like, oh my god, like I I need to I need to diet for my holiday. And I I actually I didn't like I started to diet a couple of times. Um I also did a photo shoot with my clients. I was like, oh my god, like I need to I need to get lean for this photo shoot. Um and I just I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't stick to it. Um, I just couldn't be bothered to diet. Um and so again, just like understanding that like you don't have to look a certain way. And it's it's really difficult because you are conditioned to think that for a photo shoot, you you have to look a certain way. You go on holiday, you have to look a certain way. Yeah, you are going to the Hyrux where you wear a sports strobe, a sports bra and uh um a tiny short, you have to look a certain way. That's not the case. Um so um so so so, yeah, definitely um, you know, it's it was a challenge. But also what I did was um I just you know again, like I don't want to brush bodybuilding under the carpet and and forget about it because I'm really, really proud of it. But I don't really look at my old um uh prep pictures when when I was lean, and that's not because I um I have, I don't know, like I don't respect what I achieved. Like I'm I'm really really proud of what I achieved, but I but my body is never ever going to look like that anymore. So, what is the point of me looking at it and being like, oh my god, like I I looked absolutely incredible. Yeah, I did, but that's you know, that chapter is over now, and there is no point in me uh looking at those pictures and comparing those pictures to what I look like now.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Yeah, I think a female females get like that as well, just in general, as they get a little bit older as well. Like you sometimes see like the the comparison with other people, but they also compare themselves to what they were like when they were younger or before they had children or things like that. And it's the same sort of thing, isn't it? Like respecting where you're at and being able to move forward through that.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Yeah, absolutely. Like, what is the point of you know looking at your pictures when you were 10 years younger and yeah, you you didn't have your kids and you you had more time, you could go to the gym five times a week. Now you have two kids, your body is completely different, your hormones are completely different, you're 10 years older, and your life is completely different, and you're not able to dedicate as much time to your um um physique development as you could 10 years ago. Absolutely no point in looking at those pictures, focus on where you are where you are now.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Definitely. Was there anything like one lift or one movement that helped you change like your relationship with your body?

SPEAKER_01 29:46

Like I think just um just the the to be honest, the the whole the the new sport, the whole new sport, just focusing on on what my body can do and just um being to be honest, I'm I'm I'm I'm just really amazed by what my body can do and just realizing um how capable I am, you know, because it just doing completely different movements, running, for example, is was you know something that I could never do when I I did bodybuilding, and now I I actually learned to enjoy running and um that changed for me, and I'm just I'm just amazed by what my body is able to do. Um and uh yeah, and and that definitely gives me that confidence in my my relationship with my body as in like the look of my body as well, and and that confidence.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Yeah. So off the back of that then, like what do you think is like the biggest lie that women sort of tell themselves when they are starting something new? So what do you think kind of holds them back for it?

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Oh, I think there are just so many different limiting beliefs, you know. Um, some people will um think it's it's age, other people will think it's genetics, um, you know, uh there will be people that think, oh, I I I don't have time. Um it's it's it's all those limiting beliefs, but I think if you really want to do something, um it's just a case of shifting priorities, and you're more capable than you think. Um, you are um able to achieve what whatever goal you want to achieve. It's just a case of consistency, commitment, you know, investing in the process, being willing to learn, and understanding that you just need patience. Like any goal is achievable.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

No, is it's like I think when you are going through like that transition phase or even like starting something new for the first time and having that fear of you know what you might look like or whether you're not might not be very good at it, etc. Um, you know, just to to go for it and you know, you never know, you might absolutely love it. Like I bet you never thought that you would ever end up doing CrossFit when you were in the the deeper bodybuilding.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Absolutely not. I I mean I'm pretty sure I I thought that CrossFitters are crazy, and you know, what are they doing to their body and you know, all those crazy movements, like they are walking on their hands and you know, jumping, like climbing the rope, and you know, just yeah, no, I I definitely didn't think, and also just running as well. Like I say, it's it was always something that I, you know, I I I convinced myself that I I hated running.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Just because someone told me that, oh, as a bodybuilder, you can't run, it's not good for you. Okay, I convinced myself that I can't I can't run. I'm you know, um, I don't enjoy running. And you you can you can learn to enjoy a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Yeah, love it. Amazing. No, that I swear I just could talk to you literally all day. It's it's like you're very much on like the same sort of like page as me when I was.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

I was just gonna say, yeah, yeah, we are on a very, very similar journey. Um, which is also really good to see. I I feel like a lot of people uh from you know from from when we um peaked bodybuilding, I guess. Um a lot of people from that same um time and era are stepping away from it and uh you know starting new challenges. And it's it's it's really, really good to see.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Because I also think that a lot of people um get stuck in bodybuilding, or you know, not necessarily just bodybuilding, but in what they are doing, because they are they think that that's their identity, and um that you know um they won't be able to um see the same results or same progress if they start something new. It's that unknown, you know, like okay, if if I stop bodybuilding, what am I going to do? Like, who am I without my my stage bikini? And that was definitely something that you know I faced, and I'm I'm pretty sure that you faced as well. Like, okay, who who is actually Scarlett? Who is actually Babs without that pro card?

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Yeah, you know, but you just gotta you just gotta go and you just gotta try it.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Um so yeah, you you need to you need to figure out who you are, because also what people need to realize is that bodybuilding has a shared life. Like you're not going to be a bodybuilder forever. You might go to the gym, but your competing days will eventually come to an end. So, you know, you will have to figure out who you are without your competition heels.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Yeah. So just like one last thing, just to sort of wrap up for the listeners, like what would you want like any of the women listening to uh take away from this conversation when it comes to building confidence like in your body and and what it does for you? Like what what kind of closer message would you want to give to someone who might be struggling to do that?

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Yeah, so that's kind of my my whole uh mission with my coaching as well. This message that when you focus on the actions, um as in, you know, focus on training for um for longevity, you know, build muscle because you will need that muscle later in life. Um train to to be fitter, uh, train to be stronger, eat to to to fuel your your body and your your training session, your health, your hormones, uh focus on your health, you know, especially us females. Like make sure that you you focus on your your hormones and your longevity. And when you focus on those actions, I promise you that the physique is going to be a byproduct of that. Like if you are consistent with these actions and uh you're proud of those actions as well, like you you align your actions with your goals, and if you are consistent with those actions, I promise you that your physique and your confidence in your physique is going to be a byproduct of that.

unknown 37:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. Thank you so much. So, where can everyone find you? Um, if they want to work with you, if they want to follow you on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Yes, so I have I actually have two pages. So uh my um coaching page is uh Body by Bab Body underscore by underscore uh Babs. And I also have um a second page where I document my my new journey. It's basically a new personal uh page, which is uh Babs underscore chapter two. Um so yeah, give me a follow.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

Amazing. I'll put it in the the show notes here so you can give uh give them pages a follow. And um, yes, thank you so much for listening, everyone. Um I know that it'll be a really good episode to to listen and save and refer back to when you need it. Um but thank you so much for for coming on, Babs.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

And thank you so much for having me. See you soon. Bye.