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Natasha Bulstrode - The Confidence Revolution: Why Midlife Is Your Time to Shine
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In this inspiring episode of The 40+ Life Podcast, I'm joined by makeup artist, accidental influencer and founder of Chapter Five, Natasha "Tash" Bulstrode, for a conversation that goes far beyond beauty.
With over 30 years in the fashion and beauty industry, Tash shares her incredible journey from the London College of Fashion to working alongside some of the biggest names in makeup, including Charlotte Tilbury. But this isn't just an episode about makeup—it's about confidence, identity and learning to take up space in midlife.
We dive into why so many women feel pressured to shrink themselves, the power of authenticity in a world obsessed with perfection, and why embracing your unique features is the ultimate act of self-confidence. Tash opens up about grief, divorce, rebuilding herself in her 50s, and how something as simple as putting on lipstick can become an act of hope and self-care during life's hardest seasons.
We also chat about:
- Why beauty should be about self-expression, not perfection.
- The changing relationship women have with makeup after 40.
- The pressure to look younger—and why authenticity is becoming the new luxury.
- Practical skincare and makeup tips for women in midlife.
- Face yoga, Botox and finding what feels right for you without judgement.
- How colour, style and fashion can reconnect us with ourselves.
- Why supporting other women is one of the most powerful things we can do.
As always, we finish with our fun This or That quick-fire round, plus Tash shares a thought-provoking book recommendation that's guaranteed to spark conversation.
Whether you wear a full face every day or barely touch a makeup bag, this episode is a beautiful reminder that confidence isn't something you paint on—it's something you reclaim.
Because taking on midlife with style starts with embracing exactly who you are.
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Welcome back to the 40 Plus Life podcast. Today I'm thrilled to introduce a woman who wears many hats, makeup artist, self-proclaimed accidental influencer and advocate for women. Sorry. Natasha Bolstrode, or Tash, as many know her, has spent years helping women see their beauty, confidence, and strength through makeup masterclasses, face yoga, and authentic conversations. Through chapter five, Tash creates a space where beauty goes beyond the surface. It's about self-belief, personal growth, embracing life's next chapter, and supporting women as they navigate their own journeys. Tash, welcome to the 40 Plus Life Podcast. That's so great. I love it when I get to do a little deep dive on what people are about and what they're doing and just see that they've got, I know, so many exciting things going on. Tash, it's it's a thrill to have you on the 40 Plus Life podcast. Tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got into makeup.
SPEAKER_01Okay, very, very briefly. I mean, we could go on for hours, but let's just we'll do 10 minutes of my makeup career. Because, you know, I was very, very creative as a young child, so I did lots of watercolour, lots of drawing. I was very whimsy, and I genuinely think I probably knew a bit neurodivergent, but I've never been diagnosed, and I probably best I don't. Do you know what I mean? No news is good news on that one. But I was very, very sensitive and very creative. Um I had a wonderful grandmother that taught me how to draw. Um and then I went to London College of Fashion. I went to from art school, I went to Foundation Art School down here, which was called Shelley Park, and then I was going to study photography actually down in Bournemouth. But I ended up with a big grief situation happening when I was 18. So I ended up kind of travelling up to London and pretending to be a model, which I was hideous at because it was the kind of warfarer. And I was just very, very, very athletic and very tall with big tits, and so I just didn't fit the mould at all. So I ended up kind of going back to college up in London, and so I went to London College of Fashion.
SPEAKER_00Wow, I'm excited to have been at the London College of Fashion. It must have been such a buzz. It was a buzz, and it was a proper three-year course.
SPEAKER_01So, but while I was doing that, I was also working on a counter for benefit. God, I I mean, I graduated from in 1994. Um, so it was a it was a real night, the real 90s era, and I'm and I met Charlotte Tilbury on the street in Labrook Grove where she lived. God knows how. Maybe we were at a party. I met a lot of people at Raves. I feel like there's gonna be some there's some. I met my friend Jodie Kidd at a rave under an arch in in the in Vauxhall. So that's how I met her. Because, you know, 1992 was when I was 18, and so that kind of that kind of hit the kind of the the the probably the best musical era of my lifetime, and so it was a lot of creativity, it was a lot of the kind of sarchy arts, all that arts system was happening, all that kind of cool art, the Tracy Edmunds and everything else. So it was a very exciting time to be in London. And I just got very lucky with Charlotte because she was an amazing mentor, and I met my ex, who I have a son with, at Charlotte's wedding in Ibiza. Can you imagine? I can imagine. I bet it's even better than I could. It's even better. It was the best, one of the best weddings I've ever been to. Because she ended up it was her first father husband. She married one of my friends, and so it was this very crazy, but I am a huge, huge, staunch uh supporter of Charlotte's. I think she gets a lot of rubbish and she's was an incredible mentor, and what a powerhouse of incredible products. It supports so many young makeup artists. You know, God knows how many makeup artists she employs within her shops. You know, she's I think she's just got an MB or a CB or something. She's just been given another award by the king, and so she goddamn uh deserves it.
SPEAKER_00It's so nice to hear you speaking so highly.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I'm so I'm passionately uh, you know, I'm a passionate supporter of Charlotte's. I think she's done huge amounts for the for the makeup industry, and I think she's she's magic. And I wouldn't know how to do the kind of makeup I can do without her. I think also in this country, we have a wonderful, I don't know where it comes from, this kind of rotten tomatoes behaviour where we have to turn women that want to elevate themselves down. You know, the tall poppy syndrome of I'm just gonna really cut that woman down.
SPEAKER_00She's too fabulous, she's too tall, she's too mouthy, she she's doing too much, she's get putting herself out there. And I think it's it's a projection from from some women, not all women, and and men as well, that they just it's too much to see a woman being too successful for some people, which is is so upsetting, really. We should be completely lifting up though everyone around us that's trying to do something different.
SPEAKER_01I think, look, I think there's a systemic uh patriarchy where you've been told for a very long time, you shut up and keep small, because if you if you don't, there'll be consequences, young lady. Yeah, you know, the whole, as I said to you before, it's like Michael Winner, calm down, girl. Don't you know, don't get above your station. This is this is patriarchic systems in place, and you are safer within the patriarchy. If you you put your head above the parapet, you're gonna get real trouble. You would and yeah, there are real emotional financial consequences if you don't fall back in line. It's it's it's uh I won't even go into the manosphere thing, but it's the whole thing of getting people in a kind of if the everyone is in line and shuts up. But the thing about midlife women, which is what chapter five was about, is more to do with really owning your own responses to that kind of behavior, but then also really listening to your intuitiveness about people, places, things, and where you are valuable, you are worth it, and you are allowed to be here. Just because a system says you're not, or a man says you're not, or a woman that's been taught to stay small says you're not, it's utter BS. It's a lie. It really is. You've been taught a lie. And so I really, with chapter five, was my my sole intention is to get people to wake up and realize you are valuable and you are worth it.
SPEAKER_00And you are allowed to take up space and you are allowed to if if you want to be loud, you can be loud. If you want to be, I don't know, extrovert and fabulous, if you want to be quiet and steady, you can be whatever you want to be, and no one should be telling you you should be one way or the other. And it is it's a lot to um not unpack, it's a lot to untangle because as you say, it's systematic. It is not even just years, it is decades and decades. And it's since the dawn of time.
SPEAKER_01So 400 years ago, they were burning a whole load of witches, you know, because they were herbalists, they were midl up midwives, they were touchstone, they were, they were the, you know, they were the matriarch. Christianity came in, and that's where it all went to to rubbish, actually. But chapter five started with uh a makeup thing because I was in the fashion industry for 30 for 30 years, having been a wonderful career of flying around the world, doing lots of really exciting and fun things. I worked with Maybelline for six years in Berlin. I lived in New York, I've assisted some of the best makeup artists in the world, and also worked, you know, as a main makeup artist on shows and various other things. So it was a really interesting, creative, nourishing uh career, but it was also really hard work, and you had to really want to do it. Young makeup artists, and now with it, the dawn age of social media or anything else, every man and his dog is a really good makeup artist. With that comes this weird, it it's less about art and more about the narcissistic element of beauty now. The best makeup artists are artists. Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think Charlotte's cashed in on that and done very, very well because it's about products now and it's about marketing products and how many products can we all use? And yeah, you know, rather than actually going, hang on, I really want to fit my own amazing way of how I present myself and I want it to be beautiful red lipstick. This is how I want it to be, this is my identity, this is something you know, like mods and rockers and subcultures, surfers, they they become a tribe within themselves because they love representing the sea or motorbikes, or they are part of something, they're part of a movement. And whereas now, this kind of identicate, everyone has to look the same, everyone's got to have Botox, everyone's got to have lip fillers or their noses done. So the flex now, I think, is that actually not having anything done, and I have definitely not having anything done, not having your nose done, you know, like really being totally authentic to your true self is the real flex now where you you almost are kind of going, cute.
SPEAKER_00I don't I don't be unique. I think that's the thing. I I've I've I see these posts sometimes actually on Instagram where you see the a before and after of a of a of a nose job, and and you look at them and you go, Oh gosh, your face was so interesting, it was so memorable. I would remember your face. I am gonna remember your face, and I'm actually gonna remember your old face more than the work you've had done. And you know, look, this isn't to judge anyone that's had that nose job, but I think some of it does come from societal pressure, particularly because we're talking about noses, you know, sometimes it's a nose that really maybe common within your culture. And I think, gosh, it's so beautiful because of that. And what are you conforming to? Is it trying to are you trying to get that cookie-cutter American look? And oh, it's it's such a shame when I mean my husband and I were in a local pub a little while ago, and a group of girls walked in, and it was like the same girl walked in six times, and we both went, that was weird. Same sort of outfit, same hair, all with the same plump lips, the same eyebrows. And and I get it, it's a fashion. I just want people to embrace their unique beauty. And again, uh it's tough, it's tough to have this conversation without sounding judgmental. But I just I would love it if people's faces were different.
SPEAKER_01I think it's a again, we we're coming from a place of wanting to fit in and belong. Ultimately, as a human, we want to belong. And to run it to run against the slipstream is really difficult. I've been at the raw end of that. And and also if someone wants to really tear you down, you're doing something right, as I'm saying, you know, it's like there's a real honor in being disliked and having the courage to be disliked. And go, you know what? This is who I am, this is what I'm about, you know, within a safety zone. And if you don't like it, that's okay. Yeah, I'm calling it. If I'm not for you, that's not for you, that's fine. And if you need to continue to tear me down, there's something going on there within your character.
SPEAKER_00It was as Susie says about Sadie, says more of Sudie than of Sadie. I can't remember exactly what the wording is. Yeah. Yeah, but this is it.
SPEAKER_01And it's like that happens in small towns as well, doesn't it? So it's like the world at the moment, because of social media is a really small town, and we're all being kind of fed this algorithmic AI thing, it's darkness, actually. It's like you, you, you can't, I want you to turn away from God or faith or nature or whatever is you've been given, and then I want you to just look like this and be this perfect young, it's that whole youth thing. And that's where this whole thing where suddenly celebrities are getting thinner and thinner and thinner and thinner. And the same thing happened in the war era in the 90s. You know, when women start rising and going, hang on a minute, this is crazy.
SPEAKER_00There is so much to discuss about makeup and women and their outer appearance, and you know, feminism comes in, and empowerment comes in, and you know, it it can be all of those things. And I think people think that makeup can be frivolous and that beauty is is frivolous, and it's I don't know, time wasting, but it is so much more for women's confidence and what it can do for us. And there's so many angles to come at when we're talking about makeup.
SPEAKER_01I could do honestly, I could do a PhD on makeup and how important when when my brother died, my my brother was 15 and he died, and my mother, the two there was two things that saved my mother's life, which is a very strange thing to see. One, the dog, because she had to get up every morning and she had to walk the dog, and it was the only thing that got her out of bed. Um and I know this sounds very weird, but the second thing was also a lipstick, it was a little lipstick, and she had a really beautiful little case, and it was in her handbag, and it was like, I'm gonna put on some red lipstick today, and I'm gonna just keep going. You know, it's that whole action, it's the action, and I've had this moment as well where I'm currently going through uh, you know, a divorce, and it's like there have been whole there's been like at least a whole year of just wearing sweats and no makeup and not really caring, putting on weight and just going, ugh, I can't, I just because it's a long journey. Yeah, like I I I I can't I can't do this, I don't want to do this. But it's like that whole action of like, right, I've got to get back in, I've got to start wearing a dress, I've got to put a little bit of makeup on, I've got to elevate myself by going if I go to a post office or I go to the supermarket, I see someone, I at least representing myself in a way that is respectful.
SPEAKER_00I think there's an interesting change at this age. Now I'm I'm 46, and what is important to me in terms of how I look and how I present myself has changed so much. And you know, when I was younger, I was so so worried, always so worried about whatever anyone would think of me. And I think I'm getting to that point where I am feeling that less. I am much more comfortable in my own skin. I'm not trying to mask myself in the way I do my makeup, for example. It is just about enhancing, looking fresher. And if you if you want to go full contour, thick makeup, then that you know, you do you. We've we've all got our own look that we want to achieve. But um, it it's changed so much for me now at this age. Have you found that? Obviously, as a makeup artist, you'll have done all the different looks and creations that you can achieve editorially on or on someone's face for I know, for them going to a party or whatever. Um, but have you really found that that's changed for you personally?
SPEAKER_01I think it's a really good question. A, you I love the fact that you can still experiment and actually the movement with my young makeup artists who I sometimes assist me and who I'm lucky to still be in contact with, who give me loads of ideas, and we have we have real interesting conversations about makeup, and I can get really nerdy with it. And I love doing really intricate, heavy, cool artistic makeup that really interests me. But from a day-to-day thing, it for me it's enhancing my skin and and doing pops of colour or less is more, and but but it's also again about eating really healthily, moving my body, so it's in more as I've got older, it's more embodied, and also because of my people-pleasing hormones have just kind of fallen away. I'm embodying myself a lot more because I know myself better. I I know how much sleep I need, I know how I want to, you know. But it the adornment is is lovely, and I love to kind of I call it the high low. I love to kind of have a beautiful night out, wear really beautiful dress, really kind of gear my makeup up, and you know, and that's beautiful, but day to day it's more to do with the element of health and well-being, and also being really mindful of what I put on my face. I have vitiligo on my uh um on autoimmune disease. So what I put on my skin, my organ, which is like the skin is the biggest organ we have. I I'm really careful. I I don't necessarily agree with the Korean skincare thing. Is that because it's it's layering so many products? It's really compromising your lipid barrier, it's really it's stripping it down, it's not nourishing it, it's it's a quick fix. It's like doing a 28-juice cleanse to get yourself ready for a bikini time. And you look great, you will look good in the bikini, but you'll just put all the weight back on and it won't be, it won't work, and it it will, you know, you won't get the proper fibre or the nutrients that you properly need, but it's like a quick fix. It's like so you have that smooth, perfect, open close. And again, yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not judging those people that that want to get those quick fixes either. I'm a huge fan of Dolly Parton. Dolly has had everything done on under the sun, you know, everything done under the sun, but it doesn't take away her or authenticity. I don't, I'm not in any way sitting there on a plinth going, you shouldn't, you know. If I think you should do whatever the hell you want in life, if it makes you, you personally feel fabulous, but it's not coming from a place of fear, patriarchy, or because you know, you think everyone else is a fear of being too old and you're not valuable anymore. It's that it's a fear or love, it's those two elements of you know, Dolly genuinely loves herself. She thinks she's really cool, she's worked really hard, written four four thousand songs or whatever, and I have yeah, all 47 albums or more, including the Christian ones. And you kind of go, you know what, you know, and she's never been non-verbal about her work, yeah, which I adore. And it's like if we're all honest and authentic, and say, you know what? I've had a facelift and I look great. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00She has never been anything other than who she is and has been completely honest. She's one of um, again, my sister and I discuss her quite a lot because we're huge Dolly fans as well. And she is one of the most diplomatic people who has managed to stay, you know. If you look in American politics, the Republicans think they own her, but the Democrats and Liberals, they think they own her too, you know, as the LGBTQ, um, they that she's their queen, but she's also still queen of that sort of Republican mentality as well. And it's like, how has she done it? But she, when you hear the nuances and the things that she says and the way that she shows her support, is so clever without taking anyone down. Yeah, she's the ultimate sort of girl's girl that knows how to to lift and again does not criticize anyone, yet says so much without without saying it. It's in it's in in between the lines. She's she's she's a genius. She is absolutely a genius.
SPEAKER_01I think she is a genius because she's managed to, she's always been a massive, well, almost kind of like a mentor. I will say, I think I'd love to. Alice said to me in the car the other day, if you were gonna meet anyone, what would it, who would it be? I know, I know her makeup artist, so I know he was called Paul Starr. I would adore to do her makeup, but like that's the thing, it's like that you can be whatever you wish it to be, but make it authentically true to you. Yeah, I think that's kind of crux of what I'm trying to say.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I do want to get some tips from you for our listener. For that, you know, 40 plus and beyond.
SPEAKER_01I do believe that you should change your makeup every decade. So um, I genuinely, because every decade you're gonna have different needs and also different hormone imbalances as well. Oh, I definitely would start wearing an eye cream and prepping your skin really well prior to putting your makeup on. It's a bit like prepping a wall before you paint it. It's like when we can prep our skin, and that that means properly cleansing it, exfoliating it at least twice a week, doing a lovely um, you know, collagen mask. Um, a lot of people think collagen snake oil, I don't agree. Every time I've taken uh collagen, it's really worked for me. I have always seen a massive difference whenever I've taken collagen, my nails, my skin, my hair. Yeah. I would I would take, I know it sounds weird, but I take eye drops. My eyes have got my eyesight since COVID actually has got really quite bad. And I'm 52 now, 52 in July. And so I take some dry eye drops. So for so for dry eyes, which really happens because apparently everything dries, I've noticed that my skinopause my body has got really dry and itchy, like my back has got really itchy. So I started using a glycolic, a glycolic, like a proper body wash, which is basically sloths off all the dead skin cells in the shower. And I would highly recommend getting a really good glycolic. I also would get a really good one skin do a great body lotion. Like you literally come out of the shower, either coat yourself in a beautiful body oil or a body wash and really properly take care of your body, you know, and that has made a massive difference as well. Loads and loads of really good nourishing moisturizers that I've found that has made a massive difference. Yes, and a dry eye drops, which you can get from opticians, makes a massive difference because if you're in the wind or the rain when we when it will come, you know, your eyes stream, or if you have to put eye makeup on and your eyes are really streaming, you really want to kind of get on top of that.
SPEAKER_00It's all about hydration, isn't it? It's hydrated skin and hydrated. Looking at eyes and everything will look well and glossy. And that's just about your skin. It's not even about covering it in makeup. I mean, I'm with you on the skin prep because I think that I now wear less makeup. I wear less foundation, I wear less concealer, I just dab it where I desperately need it. Like the darkness under the eyes is just a little bit there. I'm more about a little bit of highlighter, not the super shiny, sparkly, but just a glowy look. I want, I want cream blushes and dewiness. I've seen a lot of the have you seen the all the have you tried a lot of the new watercolor blushes and and bronzes? Yeah. They just leave your skin looking so dewy. And it's it is a game changer, I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Lisa Elders has done some really good ones. Victoria Beckham's just put a launched a whole lot of new ones. Merit, great. Tell uh tell me a little bit about face yoga then. Are you doing it every day? So I uh well, I I used to do a class at Sioux Studio, but I just stopped it for the summer because summer I've got kids and everyone else. But I'm gonna be doing it a lot more online and it'll be through chapter five. Um okay, so we'll keep an eye on the website. Yeah, and I'll I'll send it to you when I do it. So it's kind of like gonna do 10 minutes a day online where and I'll probably start at the beginning of July, where I can send everyone a link, and if they want to join me every day while over the summer, they're very welcome to do that. It's gonna be easier for me to do it online over the summer. I have two children, and you know, so I still have to kind of be a bit more flexible within my work. Yeah, and but I really enjoy it, and I have done less Botox I have um since it and I don't know whether I'll ever go back to Botox. I will never say never, I won't. You know, if it I had a brilliant midwife and she said, My body, my baby, my birth, it's my face, right, and I'll do what I want with my face. And I'm not gonna be ashamed. I've got clients that have had everything done and they look fabulous. I've had clients have nothing done and they look fabulous. You know, it's the same thing for everyone. It's like um, I used to get Botox actually in my nose, so because I have my dad's nose, and I'm really like, oh, but everyone's like, You've got a great nose, you've got a great nose. Yeah, but I've always been very aware that my mother was eye-wateringly beautiful, and my dad not as much. And so everyone goes, Wow, you look just like your dad, don't you?
SPEAKER_00I totally get it, I totally get it. But you know, it's it it it is impossible for someone else to be able to say, No, no, no, you you don't see how beautiful you are. Your face is gorgeous, Tash.
SPEAKER_01But that and that, but that's also the thing, like you are conditioned to think, oh, I should be like my mum, or I should be, you know, I shouldn't be the my and a and a mix or an amalgamation of them both. And so I suppose that's what we yeah.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, Tash, the 40 Plus lifetime is taking on midlife with style. So for you, what what does style mean to you? So obviously we've touched on makeup and empowerment, but when it comes to fashion or styling out your life, you mentioned that you spend a lot of time in your in your track suit phase when you were going through one of your lowest points. How has style now found its way back for you?
SPEAKER_01I think the first thing that comes to mind when you say that is colour. Like so when I'm wearing colour or I've got something yellow on or a red red lipstick, I feel mostly myself. Right. You know, when I'm I think that that's what makes me feel akin or connected to myself and my style. I just haven't quite found my personal dress style. I'd actually love a stylist. I'd love to, I could love someone to just I'm gonna do it next year where I'm gonna pay someone to come into my wardrobe and go, okay, let's sort you out. I think that would be a really beautiful process to do that again in my 50s, where I just go, okay, enough kind of trying to throw things together. Let's get someone that really wants to work on, you know, stuff.
SPEAKER_00Like I sometimes, sometimes you need someone to come and look at your wardrobe and help you see what your consistent pieces are and realize, oh yeah, no, those are the pieces I'm always drawn to, those are the pieces that make me feel confident. Um, and sometimes it's just a case of like you've loved a jacket, but you don't know what to wear it with. You just need someone to go, you need this shape to go with that jacket on your bottom half. And then you go, oh yeah, that was the missing piece. And sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees when you've got too much in there, and actually it's already there. Your style is probably in your wardrobe, you just don't know it yet.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I agree. I think so. It's things, and it's the same with I say with my clients, like they go, I don't know how to what my you know what my makeup thing is, or I don't know what my lipstick should be. And I say, open your wardrobe, let's have a look at what you've got in there. Because actually, women are really much more intuitive and much more aligned with themselves than they think. And it's like giving them the opportunity to go, look, I can teach you some techniques, show me what you've already got. Let's, you know, so it's empowering women rather than taking something away from them. It's like, you know, really giving them the power, empowerment of themselves to then, you know, that's that's what I think that's the main thing. Really empower people to be themselves. Agreed.
SPEAKER_00Well, we're gonna play a game of this or that, so you've got to make your choices between what I'm going to give you here. So makeup brush or beauty blender.
SPEAKER_01I'd go makeup brush.
SPEAKER_00Red lipstick or nude?
SPEAKER_01Oh, red. Always, always.
SPEAKER_00Are you an early morning ritual or late night self-care?
SPEAKER_01No, I'm early morning ritual.
SPEAKER_00Classic elegance or playful whimsy.
SPEAKER_01Ah, it's a real tricky one for me. I would go classic elegance over whimsy initially. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00A silk scarf or statement earrings? Silk scarf. Vintage treasures or modern luxury. Vintage treasures. Oh, hosting dinner parties or attending them.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I'd love to be invited to more dinner parties actually, but I would. I like I love a dinner party, but I like hosting them as well. I love cooking. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Love it, love it, love it. Me too. And and I hardly we never do dinner parties, but I love them. Yeah. I love hosting, I love cooking. I will have a dinner party. I will have you round for today.
SPEAKER_01I would love to, you know what? I'd love to be invited to more dinner parties with different people as well, like people I don't know. Yeah. You know, yeah, and it me, you know, definitely going to do more dinner parties next year.
SPEAKER_00Would you like to be remembered more for your beauty advice or impact on women's confidence?
SPEAKER_01Oh, impact on women's confidence, 100%.
SPEAKER_00I thought that would be the answer. Absolutely. Now, before we wrap up, I always like my guest to leave a recommendation for our listener, something that you're loving right now, could be anything, something that I don't know, puts a smile on your face each day.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, well, I mean, again, if it's in line with empowerment and stories, I think it's like women's stories and their truth. By the way, I may make that very, very clear. Women, because women, someone says something, doesn't mean it's just a story, it's their truth. But the moment I'm reading this brilliant book by Belle Burden, and I'm gonna do something on my Instagram about it today, and it's a true story, and it's called Strangers, and it's how she basically was in the pandemic, and her husband just came to her. But basically, it's about a marriage breakdown, and it's a true story, and there's been lots of controversy about it because she came from a financially wealthy, privileged place. She was from part of the Vanderbolt family in in America, which is huge, it's like the Rothschilds. And I think the Daily Drivel did some piece on it, and also the Independent, and then the New Yorker did something about it. But what I love about it is it's what it does, is it it gets people talking and being aware of what financial abuse and betrayal looks and smells like, and that can be across the party of socioeconomically. You can I think with anything with domestic abuse or uh any any abuse in itself, people kind of have these pigeonholed ideas of what it is meant to look like, whether it be you know domestic abuse or something, if it gets getting heavy, you know, it should be in a low-income area and you should be, you know, very badly physically hurt. But I really love this because I love books that start awareness and conversations. And your opinion on something is being challenged, and that is my summer book recommendation. Because read it and tell me what you I devoured it within a day is interesting because it really it has brought a lot of people's heckles up, have gone, well, she's fine because you know she's got money, so she's fine. What she likes, so that really yeah, interests me. I'm interested in really interesting.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I like the sound of that, so I'll be adding that to my list as well. Tasha, I could talk to you for hours. But we we haven't got long enough um today. But we shall well, maybe we might have to come back and pick at some of those threads another time. But thank you so much for joining me on the 40 Plus Live podcast. And everyone that if you are want to find out more about Natasha, you can follow her on Instagram and her website, which is chapter five, which I'll put all the links in the show notes and people can find you. Thank you so much. You I've really loved it.
SPEAKER_01I love, I mean, honestly, I love a chat. Love a chat, yeah. Love a chat too. I appreciate you, and I appreciate you inviting me on. It's really kind. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00My pleasure. Thank you so much. And uh, for those of you listening, there'll be another episode of the 40 Plus Life podcast coming your way really, really soon.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. Bye.