Kenny & Danny Off The Clock - Get to Know Us

Today we go off the clock getting real (and ridiculous) about twins-in-business life, competitiveness, morning routines that would disappoint productivity YouTubers, and the tiny "luxuries" that keep us sane while building profitable, high-end businesses. Between choir-class trauma, our first "startup", and a few rants, you'll hear how we think about partnership, success, and staying relaxed enough to play the long game. It's fun, it's honest, with some business nuggets tucked into the chaos.

Highlights

00:00 Today's vibe: casual Q&A (with a few biz nuggets.)

03:00 Our power-move lesson.

09:15 How we channel competitiveness into business.

11:30 Our twin partnership: trust, conflict, and synergy.

17:45 Ways we unwind that actually work.

22:30 Small luxuries we enjoy and buying back time.

29:15 Our morning routines.

33:30 What we're loving right now.

41:45 Defining what success means to us.

45:30 Fake "podcast clips" on social: quick take.

47:45 Dancing With the Stars chat.

49:30 A sneak peek at what's next.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

We're back. You're back. Thanks, regulars. Like a dog returns to its vomit, so the regulars return to the podcast. Here's a little biblical reference for you. That's right. Do you know where that's what's the reference for that? Oh, it's a proverb. It's it's in Proverbs. Proverbs 26-11. 26-11. Yeah, I love that. Well, that's that's I think that's the Bible verse of appointment only. It's certainly the Bible verse of this episode. All of you regulars just returned to your puke. All you dogs are slurping up your puke.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Who let the dogs out?

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Remember that song? Uh yeah, I remember that song. That song rocks. That song was so sweet. That was a good one to request at the roller rink. Yes. Hey, uh, All-Star. Smash Mouth. Oh. Where it's like, I remember being however old we were. Season appropriate, smashing pumpkins, right? No, smash mouth. Oh.

unknown 0:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

I thought it was Smashing Pumpkins. No, okay. No. All-star was was uh by Smash Mouth. And I just remember certain songs, it's like this song just absolutely slams. Some songs define a generation, and I think All-Star.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, an All-Star. You're a rock star. Roll Star, Rockstar. Rockstar. Go get your game. No, yeah. Hey dogs, it's appointment only. It's time to slurp up your vomit. Get that vomit slurped up. Hey.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Nice. All right. Well, maybe we're gonna we're about to change our theme song, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

All that glitter is gold. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

This is Appointment Only, the podcast for entrepreneurs building profitable high-end businesses. If you want control, profit, and freedom from the endless hustle, this is for you. We're Kenny and Danny, twin brothers from day one and business partners for 15 years. We're sharing insights from our own experiences running a high-end small business, the highs, the lows, and what we've learned along the way that will help you build businesses you enjoy running that aren't running you. We're here to help you continue creating businesses that support the life you actually want to live. Your appointment starts now. That's what we call a tasty harmony. The unfortunate thing for me is I don't know any words to any songs. Oh, I'm I'm the king of the watermelon, watermelon. I know this song. I'm just gonna mouth watermelon. You know what I you know what's a good hack to do is do you just hum it? That's what I do. You know what was such a power move growing up. This is one of my favorite, my favorite memories of high school choir. For what we we sang. What a cool guy, guy. This guy was in high school choir. So cool. Cool guy alert. We sang this, we sang this song. It was that um like Mexican food song. Oh my gosh, chili con carne. Chili con carne. And for whatever reason, we were like supposed to practice it in our off time, and nobody did. But why would you practice a song in your off time? Like, what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Like, stand in your room and be like, chili con carne, chili con carne. Take some ripe and fresh tomatoes.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

But our choir director, with oil. Our choir director, Mr. Haugen. Mr. Haugen, I know you're listening. He's I know you're I know you're a regular. Shout out, Mr. Haugen, but he knew nobody practiced this song. We had a choir concert. Well, he told us you're singing this at the choir concert, so you better practice. And he and we didn't. And he knew it. And he gets up there and he just looks at the choir and he kind of gives this face of like, okay, like, here you go. You're ready to cook up some chili. And he raises his hands and he just kind of lets his hands go. And then he takes a step back, crosses his arms, and just watches us.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

And all of us are like, and uh torture, bada bum, bum, bum. Cause that was the bada bum bum bum. Gimme salsa. I'll take some extra rice and chicken. The onions, putting them in with the carrots and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 4:26

Eventually, the song just kind of it just kind of petered out. Of course it did. I mean, turns around to the audience, holds his hands up, like, here you go. Hope you enjoyed the song. Dear Cardinal Choir, ladies and gentlemen. Hope you're hungry. Such a power move. And I mean, the the cojones it must have taken for him to not have just gone like, let's just go in the back pocket and do something we know we're good at. He's like, I'm gonna show you that when I say I when I say to do something, I mean it. You better do it because it was so embarrassing. It was, it was mortifying. It was mortifying, but not it, not embarrassing enough where we actually wanted to learn the song. Oh man. What what were we even? That's a good anecdote. I don't that's that's a good anecdote. Well, we're just we're just getting to know each other. And and here's here's the deal with today is we're gonna we're gonna cash it up a little bit. I'm looking forward to today's episode because we're we're gonna we're gonna get to know one another a little bit better and we're gonna we're gonna hit on some questions that people ask us a lot. And there are gonna be some business nuggets woven in. I hate that. I don't know why I just said nuggets. Nuggets. Yeah. Sorry. Some business nugs. Yeah, let's not do that. Some business insights woven throughout. There we go. We're gonna talk about that a little bit. But really, this is this is just gonna be a little cash, a little chill. Because you know, podcasters, they're just like us. They're just like us. They love chili con carne. Every time I've yet to eat chili, make chili where I haven't thought about that horrible memory. Power move. Some some regulars listening were in that cardinal choir with us and they know exactly what we were talking about. You remember the feeling. And you didn't know the song either. Yeah, thanks for nothing. We could have used our uh our captains in the section to ideally lead us home on that. I was never a captain. No, me neither. I do remember the the ba-da bum bum bum ba-dum bum bum bum. It was one of those. Here's something about me. I don't love a cappella. What about like really good a cappella? Like the they had those entire like goldfish. Goldfish.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

You're my little girl, you're the one that I created. No one in this world could ever be like you when you're crying in the night. All you need to do is call me. I'll be there for you. Cause you're my little girl. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

That is that is enough. That is enough. That is enough. And you wonder why I don't like Acapela. And you wonder why we have zero friends. I am so, so, so terribly sorry, everyone. Yeah, I'd like to apologize on behalf of myself. And just like that, we have an explicit rating on this episode. Usually when I'm getting to know somebody, uh my first question is what's your favorite goldfish? Don't if it's not you're my little girl, we're not gonna be friends. Here's when we get all the time. Here's a question. Who's more competitive? Me. Yeah, I know. Next. No. I am definitely the more competitive twin. And and here's something that I think is interesting. I I don't know if I heard some of the things. I love when people say that. This is interesting. No, I said here's something I think is interesting. Oh, okay. I was I was gonna say, I think I love when someone says, here's an interesting fact. I want to say, why don't you just tell me and I'll tell you if you're gonna do that? Yeah, let me be the judge. You don't get to tell me if this is interesting to me. Well, we'll see about it. We'll see how fun it actually is. So why don't you continue? I think business scratches my competitive itch.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Where I I don't, I'm not involved in like men's league sports or anything like that, but I do think that business like scratches that, scratches that competitiveness in me where it I feel satisfied with it. My kids play sports, and I'm certainly among the more competitive of the parents in the crowd. But I do think that there's an element of I'm a very competitive person, and I feel like I get that out of my system just being an entrepreneur. Because it's a what cutthroat or yeah, because you're always working on something and your goals, you're trying to reach. Okay, yeah. Yeah, and you're you're you know, you have competitors, obviously, and you want to crush them. You want to crush the competition. Crush their skulls. Yeah, put your put your foot on their throat. Yeah, you can't. Do you think make being twins makes us better business partners or worse business partners? What do you think? I asked you. Well, okay. I think being twins makes us different business partners. Where we don't have the abil I mean, so many business partnerships fail. And they fail often, it's usually because of finances in some way, shape, or form. But we don't have the ability as twins to like disconnect from what the other is feeling. So I think it makes us definitely more in tune with one another, but it also doesn't allow us to separate at all, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

I was just gonna say, yes, I think it makes us better. But I do think it makes us better because we have that built-in trust, which often is another reason why business partnerships don't work, because somebody is doing something untrustworthy, financially driven. We're able to have conversations that I think other business partners can't have or won't have. And there's just a mutual love and respect for one another that we have that oftentimes has to be like earned among other people. Right. I I think if you you know, this isn't to say that those of you who aren't a twin are at a disadvantage, because that's not true. Because I mean, just on a base level, when you're a business partner, you have two mortgages to pay and two lifestyles to pay for. You have to make twice the money. You gotta make twice as much. So I don't think that it's necessarily all positive to have a business partner, but one thing that being twins has allowed us to do is because we're similar in many ways and we are able to be synergistic in the way that we work, where we're able to feed off of each other, we can accomplish things together that uh other people can't do. And not to mention the natural, you know, marketing that it lends itself to. And just overall, I think there's just an interest element in our business being, you know, the fact that it's a visual business and there's two of us and it's we have a unique look. So I do think overall, all things considered, it ends up being a real benefit that we're twins. But I think that we would probably be experiencing some of these similar things if we were just regular old brothers, too. But I think the twins thing is just interesting. It is interesting. I think it's just uh I do think it's a benefit. And I think we understand, we we understand sharing at a totally different level than most people without a twin understand it. Like there's just a certain level of sharing things growing up, whether it's a birthday, whether it's a room, whether it's a car, whatever it is, that is just part of what our life is all about. That it it doesn't matter if you have other siblings, you don't understand the idea of sharing something in the same way. So like I've never once wished I owned more than 50% of our company. It's just been, it is what it is. So as twins, I feel like many of the many of the questions that people have for us are just in relation to being twins. Yeah. Growing up as a twin, what would you say was a a time where you identified or looking back, you can identify like that was us being entrepreneurs. Or maybe there wasn't anything, and there were a lot. There were a lot. Uh the first one that I can remember is the snow fair. The snow fair. The snow fair, the infamous snow fair. So we were always very creative. And we were, I don't even remember how old we were. I want to say it was second grade, maybe. We were also those those weird people who would like put on plays and things. We were very creative. Listen, I've I've said this before to my mom and to our friends that if TikTok was around when we were growing up, we would be TikTok stars. We'd be stars. We had no outlet. We actually, here's another, here's another way that we were entrepreneurial, and this actually relates directly to the podcast. We had a radio show when we were in ninth grade. I forgot about that. Yeah. It was called Is It Tasty?

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Is it Is it Is it Tasty?

SPEAKER_02 13:19

So, as weird as the name is, that's exactly what it was. We would it was on the local um uh not to brag, it was the local Christian radio station. Alternative, the buzz. A lot of earbuds listening to that. Yeah. And uh it was this stupid show where we would, I don't remember if we came up with the ideas or if it was the listeners that would say, hey, make them try this, but we would try all sorts of crazy foods. It was we I remember we tried that horrible thing from Australia, um, whatever it was called. There's like that spread, you know what it is? Oh, yeah. I'll think of it in a second. But we tried that. I mean, I remember we, it was like eat an onion like an apple. So that's what we did. Um that was brutal. I tasted onion for about a week after that. But it was just a stupid, stupid thing where it was. I remember one time we ate, wasn't it like a cleaning product? It was really bad. We shouldn't have done it. It it was not a my mom was not involved, otherwise she would have put the kibosh on that. I remember we sometimes no, sometimes we had to come up with it because we would be rummaging through the cabinets and uh Boolean cubes was one of them. I remember we'd be rummaging through the cabinets, and I think there was one time where I had something, my mom's like, you cannot eat that, you're gonna die. So close call. But that was one of the entrepreneurial things. The snow fair, though, was we were we were just coming up with some fun things. We we made flyers, we put them in all the neighbors' mailboxes for this snowfare that we were putting on. And I don't know what we were thinking. The idea was that we were gonna have a carnival in our backyard and we were inviting all these people. We had sent out, I don't even know how we did it because this was obviously before social media. We had enlisted the help of our friends' moms to make treats for the snowfare. Bring like prizes. And bring them, and we had prize donations, and we didn't even have a snowfair. We uh we thought we were gonna do it, and we remember it was just gonna be some random day after school. One of the rides was we thought we were going to hook up our dog to a sled, and the dog was gonna run around and go over jumps. Well, it was inspired by the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland. Oh, that was our inspiration. So we're like, we can do that. We can do that, we can do that with our dog Bissle. I remember our mom always tells us she came home to a couple of frantic answering machine messages of parents who were like, hey, sorry, I'm running late. The the special K bars are taking a little longer than they were supposed to. I'll bring them over as soon as they're ready. And and we came home from school, she's like, What did you guys do? What is going on, guys? Snowfare. So she ended up calling some friends and bringing them over, and we like ate all the treats, I guess. But I it is it was looking back, people at the snow fair. No, we didn't. I mean, we didn't have a lot. Neighbors. Yeah, neighbors. And I don't know what our plan was. I don't know if we thought it would really be a big draw. There was a really big homeschool family we grew up with, and I think my mom called them to have them bring the all the kids over. Bring them all over. Yeah, every single one of them. Load up that 15-passenger van and you guys get on over here. Bring your appetites. Bring your appetites, boys. Get your glasses, girls, throw that hair in a braid and get over here. Get over here. Get over here to the snow fair. So that was uh that was one of the very first entrepreneurial things we ever did. Yeah, I it was a big success in case you were curious. Snowfare 2.0. Mark your calendars. Sometimes when we're doing things, we're like, this is a little bit like the snow fair. This is snow fair for sure. When we were starting the podcast, it was like, is this a snowfare? Is this just another snowfare, but we're 37 years old. It feels a little bit like you know what? Only missing special K bars. Yeah, if we could get somebody's, uh one of our friends' parents to make those special K bars and bring them over, that would be great. I've noticed that it's important because I don't have hobbies to find like outlets for like relaxation. Because as we mentioned in a previous episode, Susan, Susan gets worked up. Susan lit Susan is worked up. Just high strung woman, powerful woman. She's a power, she's a boss, power hungry woman. She's starving for power. She's yeah, she is invited. She's starving for power. Yeah, she is like the the absolute worst type of TV character. She Susan is uh not invited to anything I'm participating in anytime soon. So, what's something that you found is helpful for you to like unwind or to get your mind off work? If well, I'm I'm boring. I I love going on walks. I know that is gonna rock all of you regulars out there. That is gonna rock your world. I love your world. I I love me a good walk. And I I love I just love watching TV. As stupid as that sounds. That's that's what I do. If I don't have oftentimes my evenings are spent driving the kids here and there and doing those things. Are you able to do do you find that relaxing or is that not? It's not relaxing. Do you listen to uh you know appointment only or anything in the car? Yeah, it's appointment only is always queued up. Oh, yeah. It's just it's the only thing I listen to. Do well, I mean, but seriously though, what do you listen to when you're walking or when you're in the car? It depends on what I'm into. It often it's a it's a business-related book or podcast. Um if I'm into a show, I will watch that. We'll talk about that in a little bit later. We'll talk about recommendations and all that. But walking, that's what you got? Yeah, as as boring as that is. And if if if I'm out of town, like places I find myself now are oftentimes we will go out of state for kid sports. And I always look forward to that because I love a hotel. I just love it, it doesn't matter if it's nice, if it's not nice. I love checking into a hotel. And I love I love exploring an area that I'm not familiar with. So as much as I love my walking trails near my house, I really love being in a city I'm not that familiar with and just walking around. Yeah. What about you? What what gets you going? What gets you relaxed? Well, uh walking, same same. I I totally agree with you. And I even bought a treadmill this past winter and put it in my basement because I was like, I'm going crazy. And I need to get, I need to walk. So that's super important. It's nice to do the self-care every once in a while. I actually just got a facial over the weekend because uh Madeline booked it and she didn't want to go. So I was like, I'll go. Dibs. I got it. Those are really relaxing as long as the person doesn't want to chat. Which she didn't. She was great. You know who always wants to chat? No. The people at Jersey Mike's. I think they're is that what you do to relax and go to Jersey Mike's? Just hang with the hang with the fellas. Hey guys. You're ready for Mike's way? Uh yeah, uh yeah, we're gonna have it Mike's way. Yeah, all right. There's Mike. Is there any other way? Am I right? What is Mike's way? There Mike's way is like the oil, uh lettuce, I think some different spices. But wait, so Mike's way is oil and lettuce. Is that what all the hype's about? Just a little bit of oil and lice. Mike's way is it's a number of other things. But the the people at Jersey Mics are always like, what do you got going on for the rest of the day? Oh, I hate that. And it's it and I know that they're that they're told to say that. Just like at Chick-fil-A, they're told to say my pleasure instead of you're welcome. Oh, I've never noticed that. My pleasure. Or when they when they say, Oh, you're not a customer, you're a guest. Right. But at Jersey Mike's, I know that they're instructed to ask what you have going on for the rest of the day. I wish they wouldn't. Me too, because I'm always like, yeah, nothing. And then that's the end of the conversation. Like they don't have anything queued up. Well, and also, you know, if you're at Jersey Mike's, that probably is your whole plan. It is Mike. This is as exciting as it's gonna get. I'm gonna go home and I'm gonna eat it Mike's way. Give it to me Mike's way and I'm out of here. And I'm I'm moving on, baby. You know what is worse even than that, though, is when you end up going to a restaurant and they have a bathroom attendant. Oh, I hate bathroom. I don't hate bathroom attendants as much as you hate bathroom attendants. I cannot stand it. I can grab my own paper. Here you go. I can grab my own paper towel. I can pump my own soap. Thank you very much. That's a very like high-end establishment thing. And I feel like going there and dealing- I feel like not necessarily. I think generally, yeah, but sometimes you go someplace. You know where they used to have a bathroom attendant was at the public house in Chicago. That dumpy, horrible dive bar. It wasn't a dive bar, but it was like this stupid big restaurant that would turn into like a nightclub at night. They had a bathroom attendant there. And I remember I'd be so thrown off because I'm not bringing necessarily my Wallet to the bathroom. Now they have, oh, here's it's no problem. You don't have cash. I have Venmo. Yeah, I have QR code. It's like I don't, my phone's at the table. I'm not also uh, do I really have to pay you to gave me a paper towel? Turn the faucet on? Like what? But I cannot stand bathroom attendance. I just find it to be totally unnecessary. And they're always in the way. They're always in the way. Oh, do you want to mint? Like, no, I'm in the middle of my meal. And also, we're tipping for everything these days. I don't want to have to tip to wash my hands at a restaurant. Just a few questions for you before you go outside. Yeah, you're having a good day. Okay. Well, enjoy. What you got going on later? How hot would you like the water? You'd like it lukewarm? You got it? Here's a couple questions for you. After you've washed your hands, why don't you touch this dirty iPad in the bathroom? No, thank you. This is a good question, though. And it's in line with bathroom attendance. Okay. Do you like going number one or number two? No, just kidding. Uh the question is what's something small that you spend money on that feels like a luxury to you? Don't you think that's a good question? I do think that that's a good question. And does it actually have to be a luxury or does it is it something like that? No, that's the whole idea. It's what's like a small thing that you do or that you spend money on that feels like a, you know, like a luxury? It doesn't have to be luxurious. Like they're not saying like what's something small, like, oh, every time I buy diamonds, that feels like luxury. Oh, probably, probably when I buy gold. I think bit Bitcoin's pretty small. Bitcoin. Um I get my house cleaned every week. That to me feels like a luxury. I wish you would have asked me because that's what I was gonna say. Okay, well, now you're gonna have to come up with another one. Another thing that I do that is definitely uh feels like a luxury but never gets old is DoorDash. We are door we DoorDash all the time. See, that doesn't feel like a luxury to me. That feels like I would die without it. That's a necessity. The thing is, you wouldn't die without it. You just have to go to the grocery store tomorrow. But in our house, we are we are doing takeout or DoorDash every single night. Wow. Brag alert. But that feels luxurious. And I order my groceries online. I would almost say that's an abuse of DoorDash. Well, how else are you gonna get to know how else are you gonna get to know your drivers? Do you you don't actually know your drivers? I know my Instacart drivers. Oh, really? Because oftentimes I'm ordering from one of the same two gas uh gas stations. Uh no, I didn't type it wrong. I do want all 24 slim gyms. Did you forget my torpedo? What do you spend money on that feels like a luxury where it's like your little secret? Um well, I I actually was gonna say house cleaning, but I have an unpopular opinion about that. I don't find it to be all that convenient because it's it's I it's one of those things where she comes at a certain time and it's not the most convenient time, and sometimes we're all rushing out of the house to get out of there before she shows up. So it's actually, of course, it's convenient and it's beautiful when you come home and your house is clean, it's amazing. And that was always one of the first things I said I was gonna do if I ever, when I make it big. But I actually like cleaning, but I don't love like cleaning the stove. So it is that nice to have that and it's nice the consistency. So I that definitely feels like a luxury. Um, let me think of other something else that I spend. You know what one thing that I've thought about is um when whenever we're just gonna go out for dinner, we end up going to places that I think a lot of people save for special occasions because that's what I like. And I've always one of my favorite things that we we used to do growing up is when we would go, we would be someplace with our grandparents, and they always like would want to have nice meals. Both sets of our grandparents valued that and they liked eating well. And I always felt so fancy when we would be at a fancy restaurant. And so, as an adult now who gets to make my own decisions, I just like going to nice places. I love steakhouses. I love having a food experience, and I'm happy to pay for it. And I have found that generally speaking, anytime we're gonna go out, we generally end up at places that people think are special. And I I realize that when I'm there, that okay, this is something that people have got dressed up for, they've been planning for, and uh, that definitely feels like a luxury to me. And even though it happens uh pretty frequently, I try to keep that in mind that this is something that is a this is something that is a nice thing. And I'm I'm grateful that I can do it. What does your morning routine look like these days? Um, well, it is very routine. I wake up in the morning feeling like P. Diddy. Uh yep. Fresh mad tea with the bottom of the jack. I remember the first time I heard someone say, Have you seen, or I saw this on TikTok. I was like, excuse me, what? What Casha? Like, no, TikTok. Oh, because that was a song. TikTok, that was the song. Yeah. And that was the tick, that was, that's my that will always be my TikTok. That's my TikTok. That is my TikTok, absolutely. And TikTok is my president. You talk about Kesha's my president. Well, that'd probably be pretty nice. But you uh you talk about songs that define a generation. TikTok. There's one.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

TikTok and the party dawns.

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Well, my morning routine is extremely boring. I love that scene in the office where uh Robert California. Robert California asks Aaron about her day, and she said, Well, I woke up, and then he said he's stop. He said, That is how every person since the dawn of time has started their day. You saying I woke up is a waste of your time. That was good. Yeah. That is a waste of your time. So that's what I think of. But I do wake up at I it's depending on who you ask, they'll say, wow, that's so early or wow, that's so late. 7:15. That's when my alarm goes off. And first thing I do is I take the dogs outside. I get their dinner or their dinner, their breakfast. Yeah. I don't, I don't get out of bed till 5 p.m. Dinner time. Dinner time. Oh, what day is it? Uh, I I feed them breakfast and then I get my stuff ready. I make a espresso for myself and I put it. Here's a here's a hack. And this is something. If you take one thing from this episode, let it be this. I was one of those people for years. I would on my way to work, every single morning, I would stop at a coffee shop and pick up a black coffee because I don't know what it is. I like drinking a black coffee out of a paper cup. And I'm I've tried, I have all the thermoses, all the stupid stuff. I just I never remember to bring them home. They end up getting moldy. Hold that thought. What do you think of when I do this? He nailed it. There's a guy at our church growing up. Every time I open up a can, and there's it's and it's an inappropriate time to open up a can. Like it'd be like, everyone, please hang on. Let me let me tell the story, and then you save your can for the sound effect. So there was a guy in our church growing up, the church that we grew up in. And if you're listening to this, if you're a regular and you went to this church, when I opened up that pop can, you knew exactly, you knew exactly. I thought you were gonna say him. Was listening to this. You know who you are. You know you're a regular. It's like I don't, I don't think he is, and I think he's dead. Oh, really? I think so. Okay. Well, if you went to our church growing up, you know exactly who opened up their candy. It would always be at the very worst times. It would Did you already open up your pop? No, I have it right here. Relax. Your pop. Your your hopier. Did you already open up your pop camel? It would always be at the worst times. He would always bring like just a soda drinker. And it would always be at the worst times to be like, okay, you know, thanks for coming to church, whatever. Let's pray. Dear Heavenly Father. There he goes again. There he goes again. I know who that was. Do what I do, which is to buy a 50 pack, or I think maybe it's a hundred pack of paper cups and lids on Amazon. Make your own coffee at home and put it in that. And I found that that just really scratched the itch for me. I don't have to worry about bringing my thermos home. Every more I mean, I can't even imagine how many, probably thousands of dollars, not to mention the amount of time you save by making your own coffee at home. And for me, I'm not like a latte guy. I'm just black coffee. So it's what what am I doing stopping somewhere to get a black coffee? Like it's literally dirty water. Just make it at home. So that's what I've been doing. So that's my morning routine. It is so, so incredibly lame. Oh, I forgot. I I forgot I have to take all my pills in the morning. Got a lot of pills to do. You're a pill guy. You're a pill guy. I'm a pill popper. Yeah. My morning routine is eerily similar. I wake up at 7:20. I'll never five minutes. I clock an extra five minutes. I bet you you go to sleep later than me, though. Probably. You're probably up just crushing shows. Yeah, I stay, I stay up, but it's I mean I'm going to bed in the 11s pretty much every day. Okay, yeah, me too. Do you know what I was watching last night, but I didn't quite finish it. My dad is the BTK killer. Oh, I've seen it. You've seen I thought it just came out yesterday. Well, it's it's just a movie. It's an hour and a half.

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Okay.

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It didn't come out yesterday. It came out within the last week. Oh, I just got an email about it yesterday. That is an interesting situation. And the crazy thing, it's always crazy to watch these shows. And it's like, I was 25 years old when this this yeah, where was I when this was all happening? Like I would have heard of it. Here's here's I'm I actually was listening to the there's a P a BTK Killer podcast that I've been listening to all weekend. And there's definitely I I feel like there's more to this. There's a lot more. I was watching the documentary last night, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, they are just breezing past a lot of stuff. So that's what I would encourage if you're in, you know, if you're into serial killers, I would highly recommend. It's kind of like remember back in the day when movies would come out and they're like, it's not as good as the book. Yeah, it's like, well, yeah, but it's easier to watch a movie, more entertaining. But that's kind of how I feel now about the documentary, is it's not as good as the podcast, but it's really not. And there are they do that a lot now, where there's like a really long podcast, and then they do an additional like documentary about it, which I like. I like being able to watch both or listen to it, but it definitely leaves out a lot of information. I'll finish it tonight, but it's that was my takeaway. So I'm I'm that's interesting that you thought the same thing. Yeah, I just I just felt like when I was watching it, super, super engaging. I very interested in the story, but you can tell there's a lot more going on behind the scenes. And I remember I wrote as if this was like so long ago. When I was when I was watching it, when it ended, I thought it was a series. So I was like, oh, I can't wait for the next episode. And it's done. So, well, you know, one thing that all of those serial killer documentaries have in common? All of the neighbors.

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I never would have suspected it was him. He never saw that quiet, kept to himself. That's what they always say.

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So if you have a neighbor who keeps to themselves, you better make sure your doors are locked. I am that neighbor. I very much keep to myself. I feel like that's what my neighbors would say. He was pretty quiet. I remember seeing him out with the dogs. I feel like my neighbors be like, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised to hear that. Not with his crazy eyes. You should have seen all the Door Dashers, they would just disappear. Yeah, he got to know the Door Dash, the DoorDash Killer. That's gonna come out. That's gonna be something where somebody orders things and the people go missing. Well, I think maybe this is a good uh segue since we're talking about the BTK killer. You were mentioning earlier some things that you listen to while you're walking or while you're driving. I would love to hear uh any specific shows, books, things that you'd recommend. As far as let's do we're we're gonna have to narrow this down. So let's do you can do one entertaining one and you can do one business one. Okay. And it can be anything. Oh man. Entertaining recent. I gotta go black rabbit.

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Okay.

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Gotta go black rabbit for entertaining within the last handful of months. That was one that when I started watching that, I was hooked. And I couldn't couldn't stop watching it. Black Rabbit, uh, we're only a couple episodes in. It's really good, but it's you can barely see it. It is so dark. Like it's it the the subject matter is dark, but the show, what is up with so many shows now being so dark, you can barely see the TV. I just don't understand it. There have been so many times where we've been watching a show, we're trying to watch a show, and we're like, we turn off all the lights, I'm turning the brightness up. I'm like, I cannot even see these people's faces. How is that good watching? Good viewing. I don't know what's going on. Did you notice that at all? I actually didn't because the majority of my watching happened at night. So don't you remember Game of Thrones was in trouble for that a little bit in the it was, I don't know if it was the last season or the second to last season. There was that big, huge fight that was like the entire episode was like one long war. And all of the complaints online were like, I cannot see this. What happened? Who won? Like, I couldn't see a thing. I would, I may as well have been in the pitch black as well. Right. That's a good, that's a great point. It's something we can certainly bring up to the higher-ups over at uh Netflix and the other streaming services. Just brighten everything up a little bit. That's all. Turn up the brightness. That's my entertaining one. Black Rabbit. Okay. Black Rabbit. Any any sort of uh advisory that you'd like to throw out there? I mean maybe don't watch it with your kids. Yeah, it's definitely not a family-friendly situation, but it's good. But it's it's good for those of you who liked Ozark, uh Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul. Uh apparently there's a new thing coming out with the creators of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul as well. Really? Looking forward to seeing them. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's it, but it it's along those lines. So if you're looking for and it's a one-screen show. It's not the show that you can watch while you're also doing something else on your phone. That's why we haven't finished it. It's because we're pay attention to the show, put the phone away, focus on one screen at a time, please. So that would be my caution. Is it's it's it's a great show. It's along the same vein of like it's it's dark, it's got elements of it's drama for sure. It's comedic though, because there's you know Jason Bateman's in it, and he's he's just a funny guy. I I think Jude Law is so cool in that show. I just think he's so cool. He's great. And he uh what what has he been in recently, other than that? I don't I don't know. He's been kind of quiet, right? Yeah. Business recommendations. I gotta go with well, I'm I'm gonna give one that is No, you can give one. You give one. Unless you want, I mean, fine, give two. I don't care. Someone has to be the most expensive, why not make it you? But if you're gonna be the most expensive, you have to be the best. Whoa. There's a title for you. It's a book. We've talked about it before. We've talked about it before. It's the it's the best book, in my opinion, business-wise. I'm also gonna say if you're looking for something that is watch forward where you're watching it. Oh, got it. The fixer.

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Okay.

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Enjoyable, business focused. I wish they'd go a little deeper into the businesses, but you know, it's on Hulu. Eight episodes, it's two. All right, all right. Give me a wreck. Okay, so I'm gonna start with a business wreck, and it's actually uh it's the same business wreck that Amanda Brinkman gave, but I'm gonna explain it a little bit more. So the the recommendation she gave that I'm gonna echo is well, of course, Small Business Revolution, which you can catch now on YouTube, which was her show, but she recommended How I Built This, which is a podcast by Guy Roz. And the reason I'm gonna recommend it is it's easy listening. The other thing too is it's uh for those of you who maybe don't want to feel there there were times when it when when I would be listening to this religiously, and I was like, oh man, I don't want to feel like I'm doing everything wrong. You know, where I really just kind of want some confirmation. I don't want to feel challenged right in everything I'm doing, or you know, if business was slow, I often didn't want to watch a lot or consume a lot of business content because I didn't want to feel bad about how things were going, or I didn't want to get stressed. So I think that's a good podcast for that because it shares the struggles of a lot of different founders and business owners and entrepreneurs. And what I found was that as I was listening, I heard my story in their story. And it was really encouraging. It wasn't discouraging. So that's why I would recommend that. It's also, I mean, I don't even know how many hundreds of episodes there are now. So you can very easily scroll and find uh a business that you are interested in and listen to that one. You can be, you know, picky and choosy because they don't build on one another. And I think the entertainment quote unquote that I'm going to recommend is also gonna be a podcast. I'm kind of I'm I'm into the BTK killer podcast. You're really into the BTK. I was listening to it in the car. I I am the BTK killer. No. Uh I actually it's so bad, but I love I love serial killer stuff. I love I love a heist. Oh I love a con. I love a rise and fall. I love a cult. I love a what else do I love? Oh, you know what? I I I love uh a pro wrestling. Oh yeah. Doc. Oh, there's one. That's what I'm gonna recommend. This is so weird and it's so it's so out of left field, but I loved that show, Heels. It was so damn good, and it was so entertaining, and I balled my eyes out. What's that one on? I don't even remember where I found it. I think it was on Netflix. I think it was about a year ago that I watched it. Uh, the only there's a couple names, Miriam McCormick and uh the guy who um what was he in? He was in Hunger Games, I think. Alexander Ludwig. Ludwig, yes. Uh so those would be like the the bigger names in it. But I don't know, man. It was it was really good. And I I think there's three seasons, and I think the third season was shorter, maybe. Netflix looks like it has seasons one and two. Why do they do that? I hate that they don't. There's only two seasons. Oh, okay. They're both on Netflix. All right, okay, good. So you can watch all the seasons. Uh, but that was just like I was really surprised to find it, and I'm so glad that I started watching it because it was honestly so good. Yeah, it was. I loved it. I thought it was so awesome. It was really well done and super underrated. And aren't isn't that true that all the best shows there's only like two seasons of? Yeah, they don't they they they quit while they're ahead. Let's just say that. Yeah, they they they know what they're doing. So if you're not interested in serial killers, I think maybe that could be a good one for you. How would you define success? My definition of success has for sure changed and morphed and shape-shifted over time. I don't know that early on in our business I had a clear definition of what it looked like. I always just knew it was something that we didn't have. Well, I'm not successful yet. Yeah, I'll tell you when I figure it out. I think right now my definition is to have the time to do the things I want to do and have the money to do the things I want to do. I don't see the benefit in overcomplicating it more than that. And within reason, I'm never gonna have all the time in the world, and I'm never gonna have all the money in the world. But I want to be able to spend time doing things that I enjoy and I want to have enough money to do the things that I want to do. I love the life that I have. I love my morning routine. I love being able to, you know, get out of town from time to time. But I do think overall, like the success thing, it can, it can change over the years. Of course, like the life that I have at this very moment isn't the the life that I the only thing that I aspire to to do or to be. But I'm really happy with where things are at. And the definition of success to me is having a podcast. That's right. That's absolutely right. This is the this is as good as it gets. This is the pinnacle. This this is that feeling I've been chasing for my entire life. Talking into the microphone, wearing a set of headphones. This is I've I've made it. It doesn't get better than this. Everybody wants to be us. Yeah, I love that. I love that. I can't wait for Devil Wears Prada 2. That's the definition of success. Everyone wants to be us. Everyone wants to be us. Everybody wants this. I will say, I think uh, I think the Ann Hathaway's character should have. Continued on with that career. Yeah. I did not like watching her throw her phone in the fountain and being like, forget this life. I know. I was like, what are you thinking about? What are you gonna go back to your weirdo boyfriend? This sucks, by the way. The worst. He was so also her friend group was the worst. Watching them at dinner, like, oh, oh, give me the phone. I know. It's like she just gave you a beautiful bag. She just gave this guy what that other friend. What did she give him? I don't know. Gold fragrance myrrh. But it's like, you guys are the worst. They were so bad. The friends and the boyfriend. Oh, the boyfriend. I just bought this expensive cheese. Why don't you want to eat my grilled cheese? Andy does not have a good support system. Andy, that's her name. Yeah. Andy did not have a good support system. I was rooting. I'm still rooting for Andy. I hope she sees the light. Well, I think here's the deal. And gets back into the rat race. I think she will because they're shooting in New York. And based on the videos I've seen, she's running here, there. She's a girl on the go. Andy is Andy's running across the street. She's hailing cabs. She's decked out in her designer duds. That's what I like to see. She's a busy lady. She is a boss bitch. Yeah, she is. I am rooting for her to get back into the game, back on, back into the rat race, back onto that hamster wheel, and just keep spinning the spinning those legs. You know what? Life's too short to be in journalism. You want to be in fashion, Andy. You want to be in fashion. Take it from me. Life's too short to be a journalist. Everybody wants to chase fashion. Everyone wants to be us. You know what? After this episode, I don't think anyone wants to be us. That's nobody wants to be a channel. They're like, are you kidding? Yeah, they're like, are you kidding with that morning routine? And and your your goals in life is just like take a trip every once in a while. That sucks. And have a podcast? What's wrong with you? All that's to say, Devil Wears Prada 2 coming out in theaters soon. This episode brought this episode brought to you by Devil Wears Prada 2. This episode brought to you by Runway Magazine. That's the name of it, right? Runway. Runway, so Runway Magazine and uh Andy, what was her last name? Do I need to IMDb? No, you don't need to IMDB it. One thing that is funny that I Well, let me be the judge on that. You don't see, right? That you'll find this interesting. You don't see this a lot. You're gonna love this. You don't see this a lot, but you do see it sometimes. People who will post podcast clips, but it's not actually a podcast. What? You've never seen this where someone is probably filming themselves and they're like wearing headphones and they like have a mic, but they don't have a podcast and they're just pretending to be on a podcast. Like they're saying something as an expert in a talking to the camera and they're like, oh yeah, you know, this is something, and here's my take, and and here's what you need to know about this. And it's like this doesn't even have a podcast. And sometimes I've even seen clips where the microphone's not even plugged in. And you can hear it because you can tell if someone's posting a video and they're using a real microphone or they're like just using the microphone on the phone. Yeah. Like they set up it, set it up, and they're pretending to have a podcast and they're acting like they're like an expert, and they're like, Yeah, here's what I have to say. And well, speaking on behalf of somebody who does have a podcast, let me just say, you know what? You barely don't worry about it. You you barely have a podcast. Let's be honest. I have a podcast. Kenny has a podcast, and I'm the guest every single episode. You are the guest. You acted like a guest in this episode, even though I was hoping you would uh ask them questions. I was like, I don't want this to feel like I'm interviewing you, but I still feel like I was interviewing you. Well, I mean, what are you gonna do about that? Nothing. What at this point, now that it's all recorded, there's nothing we can't. I can't I can't go back. I'm on the hunt for a uh podcast guest host. Me too. I'm definitely, I'm definitely the guy. There's a I I I can't even remember what podcast it is, but there's I get I get shown these clips. It's sports-related podcasts, and there's like a guy, just a goofball guy who's always off camera and he's always wearing a ridiculous costume. And they'll just like pan to him every once in a while, and he'll be like, uh oh. He'll like respond with like a two-word thing. Does he have a catchphrase? I I I don't go sound up a lot. We should have a catchphrase. I'm let me think of a catchphrase. Oh my. That'll be my catchphrase. That's whack. That's laps. Or like those are kind of like the uh remember Microsoft Golf? It's in the deep stuff. Oh, it's in the sand.

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Get legs.

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That'll play. That'll play. We should have a catchphrase. What should it be? What are we always talking about? That's happy. Yeah. I don't think they're interested in sponsoring the podcast. Well, I've only tagged them once on Instagram. Maybe I should tag them in a video where I'm crying. I just want to I want sponsorship. Do you like looking at people cry when you know they're filming themselves doing it in the car or wherever they're doing it? That doesn't really land in my explore page. It doesn't land in mine either. Sounds like it bugs you a lot. I've seen it with people I do follow where they're like crying in the car about something or crying at home about something. And I'm sure they're going through something. Seriously. Well, stop looking in a mirror. Trying to film my how do I get the perfect? I hate when people cry in the mirror. Speaking of crying, are you watching Dancing with the Stars? Uh, we just started it last night. And so did you start from the first episode? First episode. Okay. Of the most recent season. 34 seasons? Seriously? That's whack. That'll play. 34 seasons is insane though. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize there were that many seasons. Yeah, but uh Anna watches um Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, and apparently there are a couple of them on this one. So we started this season, so I've seen one episode. Okay. Why? Just uh because I found that I have sometimes get emotional watching uh some of the people on there. Interesting. Why? Because they're like dancing so well. No, it's more like the backstory. You know how they show like a little bit of like the training leading up to it? So sometimes that'll get me. And there's always something when you put music in. Yeah. Did you know all that music is live? No. That's interesting. I've seen TikToks of the guy doing the music. Like he he's like an amazing musician. I don't know why he doesn't have his own career, but it's amazing. All right, is there anything else you want to talk about, or you want to just uh get on with your day? I think we can get on with it. All right. We'll let you get on with your day too. Your time's valuable, much more valuable than ours. So thanks for joining us for this episode of Appointment Only. I think we're calling this off the clock. I like it. Off the clock. That's whack. Thanks so much. This appointment is over. We will catch you for the next one. And that's that. Today's appointment is over. This has been appointment only. Your time is valuable, and we're very appreciative of you spending some of it with us. Thanks for showing up. Thanks for being on time. Thanks for being receptive to what we have to say. And if you have a question you'd like us to answer here on appointment only, please shoot us a DM. We would love to hear from you. We would also appreciate a five star review. We'd love if you'd follow along. Follow us here however you're hearing this. And follow us on Instagram at Appointment OnlyPod.