Women's Health + A TWO-DAY London Marathon?!: The Positive Split #6

Sam gets lost in a forest, we talk about how menstrual cycles affect your training (including why it's important for men), and discuss what a two-day London Marathon event is going to look like.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:01

I'm so sweaty. It's horrible. I hate it. Welcome to the Lifestor podcast. Ah, actually. Why do we start a podcast in the summer? Why do we do this?

SPEAKER_04 0:23

Welcome everyone to another week's instalment of the Positive Split with myself, Sam, Dan and Becky. We are currently in the world's hottest uh home recording studio in Dan and Becky's house. Uh Dan and Becky have dressed up for the occasion in the Is this what you're getting married in, guys?

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Yeah, this is my wedding outfit.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Yeah, it's a nice cool um describe describe your outfit for the people. Uh it's a cool perverts out there. Yeah. Blue t-shirt. It has a celestial sun on it, and I'm wearing some gingham. Gingham gingham shorts.

SPEAKER_04 0:59

Gingham for the cow.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

It's cool, okay?

SPEAKER_04 1:07

Dan's got a literally got a towel like he's in the middle of a boxing match.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

I've brought a sweat towel with me to the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

And Sam's wearing his sunglasses inside.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

I'm in a you know, like when you're tired drunk, I feel like I'm on that. I've had a very busy week. I've been working like 14-hour days because uh as most people probably know from listening to podcasts, I work in a school and our older kids went on a week-long residential, and I went to three of those days, and I saw I've been walking around doing like 25,000 steps around the Ashdown Forest, which has been amazing. The kit has been amazing, really good. But it is you do not sit down, you are just constantly walking around answering questions. I have been asked so many questions this week by children, which is great, they had a really good time, but it's just full on, and I've been trying to do all my routines and workouts around all that, so it's not really it's definitely not been a recovery week, and even my easy runs have been hard because I've been having to do them really early in the morning and then go and walk another 20,000 steps.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

So what's the question that you've been asked the most by the kids?

SPEAKER_04 2:17

Uh can I have a snack? Which is also the same question you probably get asked, Dad.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

That's the question that I get from Becky today. Okay, she's had a biscoff bagel pre-podcast, so you're you're energizing.

SPEAKER_04 2:29

Biscoff bagel.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Have you never had that before?

SPEAKER_04 2:33

Well, that that to me is like a savory thing mixed that those two worlds are colliding. I don't mix uh bagel's like a lunch thing for me, and a biscoff is like a sweet treat.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Yeah, someone el someone else said that. They're like, oh, isn't a bagel a savory, like you'd have like cream cheese and smoked salmon, but no, try it.

SPEAKER_04 2:56

No, no, I will not try it for the same reason I've never tried smoking or taken drugs. I'll know I'll love it and I'll get fully into it. And it will become your life. And so my addictive personality is not suited to trying things that I know are you gonna love not like peas, broccoli, they're the things. I mean, I do I do eat those, but like healthy things are things I should try in my modern life.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Oh no, I love uh a biscoff bagel.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

That does sound amazing. Is all the beige.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Like there's some noises that come out of my mouth when I'm eating one of those.

SPEAKER_04 3:24

Honestly. And if you join our Patreon and pay 20 pounds, make it we'll do that for you.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Oh, so good. I'll be sat upstairs working, and I'll just hear just a this muffled noise come from downstairs. I'll just hear, oh. And I was just like, uh, okay, I'm gonna leave her, do it.

SPEAKER_04 3:42

Oh, that's good. I was trying to not mention muffs and things, but you know, you've already said the word muffled, and that that's a free reinforcement. Oh, yeah. Um, so thank you to everyone who's been listening to the podcast lately. We had our best download day, didn't we? The other day, which was really exciting.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

We did. Although I was I was slightly disappointed, even though I managed to snatch disappointment from the the jaws of delight. It's a new phrase I've just made up. Um we had like our this is this is gonna be boring for everyone else, but uh good. We had please go on, keep the same peace. We had when I think when we put episode three out, we had the Sunday, and we had 98 downloads in a day, and I was like, oh, if we can beat that, we're gonna hit 100, gonna hit three digits in one day. And we did beat it last week, we got 99.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

That's still beating it though.

SPEAKER_02 4:26

It is still beating it.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Well, what's what would you say to a runner who uh wanted a PB and their previous PB was 25 minutes?

SPEAKER_01 4:36

I know what you're doing, don't use my logic against it.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

And then they got 24 minutes 59. What would you say?

SPEAKER_01 4:40

I would say, but did you get 100 podcast downloads?

SPEAKER_04 4:43

Yeah, and if you've got one second, that's not good enough.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Sorry, mate. I isn't isn't that Becky, isn't that how you broke your last 5k PB? Beat it by a second.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Yeah, with Sam. And when we crossed the line, Sam went, Oh, still a PB though.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

Yeah, yeah, I did. I was lying. I was, you know, you gotta build people up when you can. But no, uh, no, good. Uh we're breaking records every week.

SPEAKER_04 5:05

Yeah, nice. So thank you to everyone. And we've had lots of people writing questions in and stuff like that. We've got lots to talk about today.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

You got recognised in the gym.

SPEAKER_04 5:11

I got you know, guys, I've made it celeb over here. I've absolutely made it. I was working out, a really nice guy. I I did ask his name, I think it's James. Apologies, James. If uh it's been well documented that I'm really rubbish at remembering people's names, hence why I called Becky Holly for quite a long time. Um, he just came up to me and was like, Hey, are you Sam? I was like, Yeah, and he was like, Oh, he loved the podcast. Oh, that's cool. So, thank you to him.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Shout out, Jim Guy, potentially name James.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

And you went, thanks, Harry, and went off.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Yeah, um, cool. So, quick training update. I mean, Sam, you've already touched on your sort of week, but yeah, so how have you sort of adapted your planned runs based around obviously all your school trips and stuff?

SPEAKER_04 5:54

Well, we finished the last podcast, we did it on Saturday, didn't we? And I was we I was talking about how I hadn't gone to the gym. And you guys were like, you should go to the gym. And we demanded an update on how your gym was. Demanded an update, yeah, and I went to the gym. I actually did it on the Sunday, went and did that, and then I did an hour on the elliptical afterwards. Nice, and then I went for a run. So close in the afternoon. So I actually did, I did a double day without even meaning to, but it's because um my wife and daughter were out and I had some free time, and I was like, Well, I can't and I to be fair, I had done the garden, I had cleaned the house, I literally had done all the things, and I was just stood there, and I was like, I can't just sit still, that would be ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

You can't just sit and rest and relax.

SPEAKER_04 6:40

Oh my goodness that would be I think I'd die. So I went for a nice run and uh so yeah, I got a decent. I'm still I say I say only, and I don't mean it in that way because people run all different distances. For me, I'm only running 50k a week at the moment, and my sort of aim when I'm at full training capacity is like 70 to 90. 90 is gonna probably be where I max out.

SPEAKER_06 7:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:03

Um, so I'm still slightly below that aim, but for now, for the next two weeks or so, I'm just gonna stick at 50. Um, I've I've done it's my third week doing 50, so it's all going well. So yeah, I prioritised my strength session this week. Good. So got that in because obviously, with my working week being a bit crazy, I've had to move stuff around. So I did a proper Norwegian singles effort. I'm starting, I think it's a good sign for my YouTube channel. I'm getting enough people now, I'm starting to get Aggie comments. Oh, it's great fun. It's a really good sport. That's a that's a sign you're doing well. 100%. Like I'm still getting loads of positive ones, it's lovely, but I'm getting a few really funny ones, and I love them, and you probably shouldn't get them attention, but I find it too funny.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

What sort of things are they saying?

SPEAKER_04 7:43

So I had one, I've done like a sunglasses review video where I've just reviewed loads of different sunglasses, and it's been one, like Dan I know all about this for like evergreen content where like people just watch it all the time, whereas lots of my videos are like specific for you know, like a London Marathon video, is when you watch it around London Marathon time training vlog and stuff like that. This sunglasses one just keeps going on and on. It's actually got quite a few views now for my channel. But someone just wrote, This is useless, and I pinned it. I always pinned the bad comment, and again, that's probably giving people attention that you shouldn't give them, but I just found that really funny that someone took the time to watch it and then just be like, This is useless, and I'm like, that's really cool.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Yeah, I you do you you get some spectacularly unhelpful ones as well. The one I remember off the top of my head was uh putting up a video saying, like, oh, your your watch can can get you a new PB or whatever, and someone felt the need to comment, uh, your watch can't get you a PB because it can't run for you. Uh your watch doesn't have legs, so your watch doesn't have lungs and the and legs. So and natural I did the same as you. And instead of being the bigger man and ignoring it, I responded and said, That's you've taken to the internet to tell everyone that watches can't run. Yeah. So thank you.

SPEAKER_04 8:53

I just I just said thanks. I was like, cool, that's really good. Good engagement, I'll take it. And then another one was someone put because on my my parkrun videos, I do like a picture of me like looking surprised and like stuff like that. And someone put, the soy face is humiliating. And soy face is like it's like an internet, I didn't realise it, it's like an internet thing that like people do, which is what I'm obviously doing, where you like you know, feign shock or like to try and portray your video to get people to click. And I just do it because I'm like, it's just a thing to put on to like try and get people to watch. And yeah, yeah, humili humiliation.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

So I just but thanks then. Your next video, it doesn't matter what it is, it should just be your face. Right, no comments, just a montage of your face.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

Yeah, but my normal my Norwegian single, I did three by ten for my Norwegian singles workout, and it was lovely because the reason, yeah, the reason I was talking about the comments is because someone commented saying, Well, you're not doing um sub threshold pace because you're holding a selfie stick and you're able to talk in full sentences. And I was like, Right, we'll see about that. So then I went out and did this workout and then purposefully vlogged as much as I could while doing it. To be fair to the guy, and obviously it's a man, let's be honest. Yeah, um, it was harder. And the other workout I was doing, I was running slightly slower because I was being gentle with my knees. Um, not my knees, my legs. And uh, so yeah, but I still did it, and I was like, I love a bit of motivation when it comes to those things, driven by spite. Yeah, so yeah, I've done 50k. Tomorrow I'm doing park run, nice and easy because I've got eSport on 10k, which we can talk about later. Yes, nice, which is the plan, but it's all going alright. But my legs are in the bin currently because of just just walking around is just really, really hard.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Like being on your feet.

SPEAKER_04 10:30

Yeah, my normal walk I normally walk around quite a lot and I teach PE in the afternoons and stuff like that. But walking around a forest for literally 14 hours from like eight o'clock till half eleven, that is just insane.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Half eleven at night?

SPEAKER_04 10:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

What?

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Yeah, I then I then went home because I I was like working at school the next day. Yeah. But I'd be like, because the kids are up and like you know, not when to go to sleep and all that stuff, so you've got to help and do that. So yeah, I I saw five minutes of England game. But we did listen to it on the radio with everyone around the campfire, and then when this core the kids went mad. It was that's fun. That was cool, good nice. Then they equalize I didn't tell them. I let them go to bed thinking they were winning still. And luckily it all worked out. So happy days. So yeah, what about you guys? What have you been up to? Lifting heavy things. You did heavy things. Was that you listed to the Hill Arts podcast? You did a good one, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Yeah, I lifted a heavy thing. Um I did what was I doing? Rounds of four reps, two reps with my deadlift. I did 95 my twos. So yeah, it felt felt good.

SPEAKER_04 11:30

Um did you see that video that I posted on Instagram of the man doing the Turkish get up with 113.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

That can't be real. I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

It was on the Guinness World Records because I I was like, that does not work. How do you it was it was the most impressive feat of strength I've ever seen in my life. That man doing that.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:48

I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

I mean, if you don't know what a Turkish get up is, there's no way to describe it. You just have to Google it. But it's basically just keeping a weight suspended above your head and then with arms extended, yeah. Arms and legs fully extended and standing up whilst keeping the weight in the air at all times. I would have dropped half that weight, I would have dropped on my face and splattered my head, I reckon. Yeah, well, I wouldn't have got off the ground.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

I just looked at it in midlife, pointed at it, going heavy. Crazy, crazy. Sorry, carry on.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

I just oh no, um I did some squats as well, trying to get better at squats, which is helping in turn, helping the deadlift, definitely. Uh, because I've never really enjoyed squats. So I did leg day yesterday, and you know, as the day goes on and you're you can feel your muscles getting sore and sore. I'm definitely getting that today. Uh oh, and we did ooh, a high rocks class. Oh, high rocks friends. High rocks on um Wednesday classes. Yes, it was uh it was hard though. I mean, I rate it, but yeah, I was gonna say I ran the class as well.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

You you wrote the session and also did it with the session decision.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

Uh and that's it, really. Yeah, I've done so. Sam's hitting about 50k of running, I'm hitting about 10k of running a week.

SPEAKER_04 13:10

It all counts. And it's great. What's in a high rock session for those that don't know?

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Uh so I mean, a natural high rock, so you've got eight stations. High rock. High rocks. You've got eight stations, eight runs. So each run, you have to do a one kilometre run between each station. Um, but a class you can kind of I mean are you doing a mixture of just those exercises? Uh yeah, or some other supporting exercises that help.

SPEAKER_04 13:35

And is everyone like high-fiving and like you know that clip in Zoolander where they're all like at the petrol station? Or like having like the best time ever? Yeah, I can't lie. You've never seen Zoolander?

SPEAKER_00 13:44

No. Oh, yeah. Uh yeah, we all do a little fist bump at the end. Yep. Um but yeah, we did what did I do? Oh, I did like uh six minutes per station in pairs, so we were in a pair, you go, I go, split it how you like. I like that. I do like that that you you're relying on someone else.

SPEAKER_04 14:03

That is such a you get much more out of it that way.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

And then like I wrote, did like a finisher at the end, um, just to finish everyone off. So yeah, it was fun though. It was an evening class, and I never train in the evening, not a fan, but I enjoyed it. We did fun. Yeah, I had fun.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

I mean, we're on a podcast, so legally I'm obligated to say I had fun, but no, I did actually have fun.

SPEAKER_05 14:23

Good.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

Um, but no, I mean, I think that's I think that's like obviously we we take the piss out of it, but I think that's what brings a lot of people to high rocks is having that balance and kind of it's just like a very high energy class. Yeah. So having the balance between being able to just throw some weights around and also get some running in there as well. Although I feel like the vast majority of people coming to the high rocks classes, you say there's running involved and they go, uh Yeah, they're like, Oh, what, why?

SPEAKER_00 14:52

And like you do realise high rocks is predominantly because you're spending most of it is running.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Because if you do a high rox, you're spending about two-thirds of your time running.

SPEAKER_04 14:59

So do you think like on like not like elite level or whatever, but like for the average high roxer, are the people who are coming from it from a running background better than the people coming from it from a weightlifting background?

SPEAKER_00 15:12

I would say they have the upper hand.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

Because it's weighted in runners' favour.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

I would say they have the upper hands.

SPEAKER_04 15:17

Well it's like a what's the because it's a kilometre run. So what's like a decent run time? Obviously, we know like I know what a fast kilometre is, but with the other stuff, obviously that must make a difference to how fast.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yeah, I mean, obviously it's dependent on if you're doing it in a pair on the like if they want if they're going for a time or not, but I think you can sort of appreciate anyone sort of going for like a sub-five minute kilometre.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Yeah, is that you just run? Can you run?

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Yeah, we we skip round. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

They they they tie you together so one person just toes the other.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Well, you have to run together.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

So you're if you're not quite matched in the runs, you're only as fast as your slowest runner.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

Yeah, and do people do it in other flights and stuff?

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Yeah, people do it in proper running sneaks, and I'm like, try to do walking lunges or a sled push in those. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:05

Jazzy.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

So you try and find like a trainer that does both, which is the lovely for the marketing teams. Yeah, hence Dan's Hyrux trainers.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

I would I would argue that a big part of Puma's success in recent years has been they were slightly ahead of the curve in terms of um producing that market. Yeah, like producing shoes that could do both. Um, and I think Socony do it well as well. But basically, you want something that's pretty speedy, but it's got a good grip.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Do you remember when you wore your vapor flies and they fell off on the sled pair?

SPEAKER_02 16:38

They fell off. One of them just blew up.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Actually, during a rhetorical high rock swirl.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

So as you came out.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Yeah, they were just gonna try to do a sled push and vapor fly.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

Should have done a runner's knot, shouldn't I? But we were trying to do a sled push, and I was like, I had one vapor fly and one barefoot. And my partner, who is chronically known for not paying attention, didn't realise and was just like, Well, you're going in, aren't you? I'm like, I've got one shoe on. But I just went anyway and hoped for the best. But um, speedy ones that have got a good grip on them, uh, and then you're good.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

How's your training week, Dan?

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Um, oh well, I've taken a leaf out of Sam's book uh and I bought James Copeland's book and I've been reading about Norwegian singles.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:19

I was gonna drop it in and then I just kept forgetting.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Who's influenced?

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Yeah, I was I was influenced by the podcast. Um, and I thought I enjoyed maths, but there are some formulas in there. Yeah, that is basically the entire book is basically like this is what you do, and here's a long table uh that explains how to adjust for heat and for wind and for trail running and gravel. Oh my god. Yeah, it's good, it's really nerdy. And and some of the the formulas are like you would fill up that whiteboard just by writing these things, and I was looking at them going, I I don't have the I don't have the facilities for this.

SPEAKER_04 17:53

Yeah, what I love is that it's it can be as complicated or as simple as you want it to be. Like because in its simplest form, it's so easy of being like, run three times, run about this sort of pace, and just keep doing it over and over and over. Or you can go into it far more and really get more in depth into it.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

I think there was one point about halfway through the book where he basically went through all the different things. And I'm I might have misread this, but I'm pretty sure he went through all like seven different things that could affect your running. And then the next bit was basically like, I don't really pay attention to any of this. I just I just do this.

SPEAKER_04 18:23

He's a really just sort of sort of the earth, like just laddish kind of guy who's just like says it how it is, like he's brilliant, like he's really good. Yeah, very knowledgeable guy.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

So yeah, so I've been with with my training, I'm just starting to get into the numbers a little bit more and and set my like kind of do a reset on my my zones and my threshold pace. Um, and gonna try a bit of a bit of sub threshold rather.

SPEAKER_04 18:44

Yeah, but it is lovely. Like when I did my three by ten, I did the first one at about four twenty five. And that sort of pace, like as a percentage compared to what my threshold is, which is around like four oh eight, it's hard enough that you really feel like you're doing something. But then I finished that session, I was like, yeah, if I had to, I could probably do that again. Yeah, it would get much harder, but it's just that lovely level of good pushing, yeah, for sure, but not effing yourself up.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

You can still talk, man, on the internet, and you can still keep training without injuring yourself. Hopefully. Hopefully. And you've got energy left for skipping.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

I've not done any skipping. I neither forgot this week.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

I've I've just been I was like, I'm pushing it with all the stuff I'm doing, and skipping is probably such an intense thing to do. So yeah, I'm having a little break from it, but I'm gonna get just gonna do like 30 seconds at a time and just build up from there and just keep going.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Won't lie, I just I just completely forgot.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

I came up with a perfect segue into skipping, and then both of you just went, nah.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Well, where's your skipping efforts?

SPEAKER_02 19:50

I didn't commit to doing it.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

Right, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Right. Well, I think that's trained, that's enough training updates that people need to hear from us. Uh now we have the news corner because we've got big news to talk about this week. We're quite, yeah, we're quite relevant actually.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

It is coming out now.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

Yeah, I've been unlocking his thing.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Can anyone guess what?

SPEAKER_00 20:08

Was this the news from yesterday? Was it today? Yesterday, this morning.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

For the audio listeners, we're talking about London Marathon being a two-day event in 2027. Yes. So they've finally announced, they've been kind of bandying the idea around. I think what I say, like the Guardian or someone first reported on it in March. Yeah. Um, and that was come talked about. And I, to be honest, when I first saw that come up, I looked and thought, no, there's no way they would do that. Like the logistics and trying to make that that work, getting a hundred thousand runners through London over the course of a weekend. I was like, they're never gonna do that. Uh and boy, did I get approved wrong.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

Yeah, the important thing is everyone must have a really strong opinion on it. You cannot have anything other than it's the greatest thing ever or it's the worst thing ever.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

So well, I was sorry about that. I was reading comments because I just I get in a I'm just like, oh, what's everyone's opinion? I must know. Uh and yeah, it is literally divided. Some people are like, oh well, if you have it across two days, it's gonna ruin the um the atmosphere. Like, you're not gonna have two days worth of all those people, all the spectators coming out in support and stuff. But I'm like, I think you will.

SPEAKER_04 21:18

I know. Is it bad that I'm just like, if I get in, I'll just turn up and I'll crack on. If I don't get in, I'm not gonna care. Like, no, like do what you like. Like if people turn up, they turn up. If they don't, like I don't find it really hard to be like polarizing that.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

They've just said it's just like a one-off thing for next year.

SPEAKER_04 21:34

Yeah, that's the only thing I find a bit weird.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

I'm like, why why is that?

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Or are they just trying to soften the blow to be like really I think they're gonna use it as a test run and see seven day event 2028. Yeah. Oh God, can you imagine?

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Maybe then it might be uh But then uh like you said, there's so many people that apply in the ballot and it just gives you a slightly, slightly.

SPEAKER_04 21:57

The double 0.6% is a very small percentage. One point two percent. Yeah. Well that makes people think that, oh, I'm definitely gonna get it. It's like if you buy two lottery tickets, you're not really.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Yeah. But you you c I mean you can see the logic by why they're doing it. If you think about like um like if you look at a graph of how many applications there have been for London Marathon in the last like three years or so, the rate it's increasing at, I can't remember off the top of my head, but it went from something like 800,000 a couple of years ago to 1.1 million last year to 1.3 million entries this year. Like the demand to get in is going up and up and up, and now London is the hardest race to get into uh on a ballot. Do you think they're just trying to do it to make more money?

SPEAKER_04 22:38

I mean there's other people.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

I don't think that's not not a reason, but do they make that much money out of it, I guess? I mean, how much does it cost for volunteering?

SPEAKER_04 22:47

I think that's make a large amount of money.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

How much do you think it costs to shut down half London?

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Yeah, I imagine quite a lot. Um I I don't know the economics of of no idea. Yeah. Um the the race and how much it costs them to actually to operate it all, but I mean it's gonna be a lot on the city and the infrastructure for two days. I think the maybe the most controversial thing that people are talking about is the fact that they're splitting the elite men's and women's fields. So that seems to be the thing that people are having the most discourse on online is you're gonna have the elite women on the Saturday, I think. Um, and then the elite men are gonna headline the Sunday, and then the open, like people who've just entered normal, the rest of us mortals, um, are gonna be able to run on both days. Do you think that impacts the uh the the sport in terms of splitting the men and the women?

SPEAKER_00 23:38

I think they were talking about um the weather conditions could be different. So I don't know, for example, if on the Sunday the weather's more favourable in terms of the men, is that gonna make it more of a bigger thing if there's some better times, whereas if the females are on the Saturday and it's I don't know, say it's hotter and the time I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

Yeah, I mean for me, I mean that there there is always gonna be a degree of separation between the men's and women's fields just because there is a slight there is a slight differential in performance. So the weather affecting one or the other, I mean, I feel like it would impact it more if you split them and did elite men on both days and elite women on both days.

SPEAKER_04 24:17

So yeah, I think the uh the elite coverage of like running is just so rubbish. Like I can name you like three like elite runners, and I'm fully obsessed and into running. And it's so different to like cycling is so different in that the elite side of it is so is such a big thing. And runners, like people can name more Instagrammers and YouTubers who are runners that they're interested in. Like when you like like Ran to Japan had the most people like following him, he's on the tracking thing for like one of his races once.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Like who do you say?

SPEAKER_04 24:51

Ran to Japan. Guys with Jake Barraclough, he's he's a YouTuber, he's really, really good. But he, you know, he's trying to, he's like an elite runner, but he's like more of a YouTuber in that sort of sense, and he's getting more people interested in what he's doing. He's running fast times, but he's not running sub two or two oh three or anything, he's trying to do a sub 215. And it's just like so with cycling, like there's a race called Parry Rubate, which is like the biggest one-day cycling race there is, it's incredible. But they've been toing and froing between the women finishing just before the men and having it on the same day, so the women doing it on a Saturday, the men doing it on a Sunday, and it's about giving them, I think splitting it gives people that platform. But the issue is they're not people aren't interested because they're not they haven't been marketed in that way for people to be interested in their stories, like the drive to survive made Formula One massive because people suddenly cared about the stories behind all those people, whether they're fast, slow, it's just about the story behind it.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Well, that's quite interesting you say, because when we I don't know, have you watched um Sprint on Netflix?

SPEAKER_04 25:52

No, but I've heard about that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

So they follow the short distance runners, the US and the American teams, and now, like, whenever we see, I don't know, like Shakeri Richardson or Noah Lyles popping up, like we're invested in them because suddenly you know you care, it's not just some random person running from A to B.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Yeah, and that's and that's why Noah Lyles is arguably like he's kind of the face of of the hundred meters and maybe even the two hundred meters. Is yeah, I mean he's a fantastic sprinter. He won gold at in Paris and like he's he's right up there. But he he he's not always like the absolute best runner, but he's kind of the the go-to, the one that you think of first because he's such a big personality.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

But they've had cover they've had a Netflix documentary two seasons of around the 200 and 100 meter, and it made us like even obviously as runners, even though it's not long distance, it's short distance, we were like so invested in it because we found it so interesting learning about their training behind the scenes, like what goes in to what their training into a race. Whereas these long distance runners, like obviously the um the Sare getting sub two, I would have loved to have seen like the build-up in his training, like his breakfast, what he eats for breakfast, like you know, and runner elite runners like that, they don't get paid anything. Like, there's no money in running, but there's money in influencing.

SPEAKER_04 27:16

Hence why then doping is massive, because if you only get paid by being the very, very best, and that's your option, people are gonna take that option.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

Hence why I feel like I feel like doping's taken a bit of a hint after the enhanced games absolutely failed. Yeah, exactly. That was quite satisfying too.

SPEAKER_04 27:33

But if there was like in the build-up to London, they picked like 30 people of all different paces, but elites, yeah, and then you'd be invested in looking out for those people, you're following them on the track out, all those different bits, following their story, knowing oh, they're going for a 212, and hopefully she can get that. And if she doesn't, you know, X, Y, and Z, like their stories 100% it'd be much better. But at the moment, people aren't just that fussed by it.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

No, and I I think that's like I think a really good example of that is uh is Philly Bowden. Yeah. I think she's she's a good mixture because she's a phenomenal runner, but she's also a real character, like really characteristic.

SPEAKER_04 28:06

Whether she runs fast or not, is not gonna uh change what the people that are invested in her. Yeah, people are invested in the story, whether that works, doesn't work, whatever, and that's where that's the journey you're with on those people. So it's that's what's really good about it.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

Yeah, we've got totally sidetracked from the from the two-day event. But that was all that was all people needed to know about it, really. Is your chances have doubled now? Instead of being half a percent, they're one percent. Have you signed you signed up? You haven't signed up, McKevie?

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Well, it's likely I'd get in give for age.

SPEAKER_04 28:37

Oh, watch out.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

I'm not doing a marathon next year.

SPEAKER_04 28:40

I'll I'll just I'll do it if I want to. I'll just run a casual. It's a slight to everyone not getting to London. London Marathon. I could do, but I'm not gonna bother.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Number three. Well, I did say if I was like, Dan, do you want me to apply and then you can run as me? Completely illegal, not illegal. Well, I could get disqualified from doing London ever again if I did that as well.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Neither of us would ever be able to run again if I put on a wig and ran.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

No, but I was like, I can apply and you can have my good for age.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

But Dan's like, no, I can't run as you, it's just I have not got the moral compass or I have I I have I have a moral compass and I have far too much body hair to be able to run as a convincing impression of you. Yes. And you've got to be running quite quick. Yeah, well, actually, I don't have the pace.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

That's also a good point. I can't run as quick as you can. They'd be like looking at it, going, got she got good for a while. Don't give that to her next year. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Take her off the list. Um, I have one more news story for both of you.

SPEAKER_04 29:36

Would you rather run on the Saturday or Sunday? Very quickly.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Sunday. Sunday, run day.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

Sunday, because yeah, long run day. It's normally only Sunday's. And that's when the best my brain was just confused.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Sunday is when the best headliner plays Glastonbury. It's just a f hashtag fact.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Hashtag fact. Okay. So Becca can run London Marathon whenever she wants, and she would only go if she could be the headliner. So main character energy. Yeah. Real main character energy. Right. I've got one. Is that it on London Marathon? Very quickly.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

Would you do you know the the noodle where they run backwards at midnight? No. No. Well, so in London, if you don't get into London Marathon at midnight, they start at the finish and run all the way backwards.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Oh, actually, if it goes to Greenwich Park. Yeah, they still go.

SPEAKER_04 30:19

It's called the Noodle because it's London backwards. People are obviously gonna get in on the Sunday now. Yeah, and they're gonna run it and then run the and some people probably do the triple somehow, because you're not gonna get into two. No. But people will find a way to run both on both. It's all sorts of things. Yeah. I'm very interested to see how it how all the logistics and everything comes out. I'm gonna get into the ballot, so I'm fine. Yeah, you'll just know I've got a feeling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

We're all gonna get in front of the ballot and then Becky will just decide if she wants to run. And we're gonna podcast the whole way round. Live podcast.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

We'll have a live podcast running round. It'll be a four and a half hour podcast. Right. Four and a half. And you speak for yourself. I was adding like buffer to be able to podcast.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Do you could you run and podcast in your time? Easy.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

We could we'll hang on a minute.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

We'll go on like a we'll go on like a 7k run and we'll be getting to it and Becky'll start getting serious and be like, don't talk to me.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

You really think you would talk about?

SPEAKER_04 31:20

You do so you really think that you would do that if we were podcasting round? Actually, if me and Dan both get in, do you do you have time if we're in to be able to then sign up?

SPEAKER_00 31:33

Yeah, good for ages and we both get in.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

We will run as a three as a caterpillar.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

That is the I'm sure Dan's maybe first and only ever London marathon he really wants to run in. He really wants to go for it next year.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

You basically just said I will never get a good for age entry into a world major. Short's fired.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Well, maybe not in the next or damage.

SPEAKER_04 32:03

Sorry, I forgot the whole week with ten years.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

I've got all I've got is memes in my head. All I've got is you know the the like the meme sound effect when you're playing. Um all I've got is that uh that meme sound effect where they go fuck! That's just just right.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Next news story.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

Well, hang on, Sam might have something very quick to say.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

What?

SPEAKER_02 32:28

No, I finished these are the last three times I've moved to the next story. Sam's gone. Wait, very quick.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Oh, wait, okay.

SPEAKER_04 32:33

All I know is we're running as a caterpillar, so it's okay. The very hungry caterpillar.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Right. Now, I pulled this because it gave me a giggle when I looked at it. Um, and basically they did a uh they did a poll, and the headline is 30% of UK adults believe they could run a sub-four minute mile. This is like all the men who think they can get a point or three in a winning up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:57

Get a life, mate.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Or or people who are like, oh, if I played the striker of the Premier League, I could get a couple of goals. And no, no, you couldn't.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

Where is this research come from, please? Sub-4 minute mile. Um out of the couple of. Give me the paper.

SPEAKER_04 33:10

What's that in kilometres? Just so I can I obviously know it's ridiculously rapid.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

It's like two something.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

No, it's gotta be around what, 2.30, something like that. Chat away.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

So because they did a whole thing with the It's about 230 kilometers. What was that athlete? Yeah. And she did like four uh four ten or something.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

406, which to this day is the fastest uh a woman has ever run the mile.

SPEAKER_00 33:33

Well, 30% of UK adults, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

30%. So, well, let me let me give you some of the some of the key points because I I was giggling to myself the whole way through this. So, according to a survey of more than 2,000 adults across the UK, um, conducted in May 2026, almost a third of us believe that we could run a mile in a time that would classify ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 33:54

Is the caveat that you get to train for it, or just literally on the they've just asked just a puffy couch or bang out a four-minute mile. They've just done a consensus of everyone and said, Do you think you could run uh I think that I think that says more about people's understanding of what that is rather than they know how hard it is and they think they can do it, if that makes sense. It's more misinformation.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

They also gave some good uh splits where um of the 2,000 adults who are surveyed, 48% of Gen Z think that they could do it, uh, followed by 45% of millennials. So we are slightly more modest. Am I the same as you though? I might not be the same as you.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

You're a millennial. Or are you I'm in I'm in 88. Are you a boomer? No. Boomer. Well, those I don't know. Is there one anything more? I don't know what the things are. Boomer, millennial, Gen Z, Gen X. No, Gen X, Gen Z. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Gen Z are the ones below us. I'm just a badass. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

You're born in 88, Sam.

SPEAKER_04 34:44

Yeah. God, you're old.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

37. Oh, you're older than I thought you were.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

Yeah, my mental age hides it really well.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Yeah, I thought you were.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

The way I dress, the way I speak, and the way I behave. Thank you. And when I shave my beard, 12 years old.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

We're a little bit younger than you, doesn't it? When I grow my hair up, 43 years old.

SPEAKER_03 35:08

Ah.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Um then diagram we meet in the middle with someone.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

They don't quite cross over, they're like just touching it. Waving at each other. Um, and the other the other thing that surprised me about this was it wasn't just like uh men being overly uh uh overly optimistic. Yeah. 31% of men and 29% of women or something.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

Oh ladies.

SPEAKER_04 35:29

I think that's just people, men and women just not understanding if you showed them it, yeah, I think that would that would drastically change. Or maybe they were like sub-four minute kilometre. Yeah. Have you ever done a mile effort?

SPEAKER_00 35:40

No, I haven't actually.

SPEAKER_04 35:41

Not for a long time. Other than that, I'd be interested to know because I've never done that sort of effort since I've been like a kid and like 1500 meters. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Yeah, I can't remember. But again, it was it was a while ago, but it was literally something like a six-minute mile or something. It was a long, long, long way off. Yeah. Um, but uh yeah. So if you if you think you could run a sub four minute mile, then please do let us know. If you were one of the 30%, then please do let us know. Yeah, I was trying to think what I could do. We should test this.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Yeah, I mean, because I've always been at kilometer gal, I don't really know.

SPEAKER_04 36:13

So it's 1.612 kilometres. Four laps of a track. Four laps, what pace could I hold? Maybe like uh actually the more the question is will my Achilles survive? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Cardio, fine. Legs, mmm.

SPEAKER_04 36:30

So I think I think we should all get down the track and test this. Part of me wants to say, I reckon I could hold 320, but I think realistically I I could hold 330 for four laps.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

Do you think?

SPEAKER_04 36:38

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

I don't I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

But that that's probably like really slow. 330 would probably get you a mile in I don't know, like five and a half minutes, something like that. I'd like to go sub-six.

SPEAKER_05 36:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

Oh, yeah, you'd do that. You do that easy. Okay, let's do that. But yeah, that that was that was the only other thing that I wanted to chip in with because I thought that was funny. Yeah, that's interesting. Everyone uh seems to think that they can run a world record type.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

There's like a TV programme, isn't there, where they ask people on the street, um, oh, do you think you could beat this professional tennis player? And they're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they go, Right, come on then. And they've got this woman, the pro athlete, round the corner, and they take him and then she just annihilates him. And they're like, and do you now still think that? He's like, nope. Or they go, like, can you land a plane? They're like, Yeah, yeah, I definitely could. Then they put him in the simulator in like a plane crash.

SPEAKER_05 37:25

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Very entertaining. Right. But uh, but yeah, that that is all I had for News Corner this week. So good news corner. From one corner to the other, we're gonna move from News Corner into Coach's Corner. Lovely. Um, Becky, this is all you this week.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Well, not all me.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

No, but you know more about it than we do.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

Yeah, so we're just gonna talk about women's health around running and training and basically what it means for obviously for women. I think we're pretty aware of how our cycles affect our training, but also how it affects men as well.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

Yeah, and I also I'm gonna preface this very early with if you are a male and you're listening to this and your first thought is, oh, this doesn't affect me, I'm just gonna either turn the podcast off or skip past it. Don't. Because even though it doesn't uh even though it doesn't affect you directly, it will have a massive indirect effect. And one of the things that certainly uh we see as coaches is that women's health when training is massively underrepresented and not enough people talk about it, and not enough people are even aware aware of it as a concept.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

So there's a massive um lack of research in it all as well.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

And so if if nothing else, just by educating yourself on some of the ways that the women in your life, like some of the effects that they have when they're training and being able to account for that and and being understanding, even if it just means that you're able to listen a bit better when they talk about these things and giving them a space to talk about them, then do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

That's a win.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Yeah. That's my contribution to that.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

Yes. And I think I mean, I was talking to like some of my female clients this week and they're like, Oh, um, they're like, Oh, I couldn't have a male PT because they just, you know, they just wouldn't understand or they don't they can't empathize or sympathize. I mean, you can't fully empathize because you can't go through it yourselves, but but they're just you know, I I just don't feel comfortable training with a a male or having a male PT. So we want it to be that that's not an issue and women would go for a male. I mean, if they feel more comfortable that's with a female, that's absolutely their their choice, their prerogative.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

But but people should be able to have those conversations regardless. Yeah, like if you have yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

And uh some male PTs like openly don't care, or they're not yeah, they're just like, oh get on with it. And it's like that is just literally the worst thing you could say to a female, especially in um it's not very empathetic. No, it's not all, is it?

SPEAKER_04 40:01

On the scale of empathy, it's probably quite loo.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Yeah, I mean, Dan puts up with my moaning when it's uh my time of the month, and I I I I don't think you think that I'm just being dramatic, but I really, really suffer like with a lot of pain. Um so I think yeah, it's just sort of being switched on. And how can you as a a female adapt your training based around obviously what part of your cycle that you're in?

SPEAKER_02 40:31

Yeah, because I mean, and and I see this when I whenever I work with uh with nutrition clients as well, is when a woman's on on the site, depending on where a woman is in her cycle, massively impacts obviously how your body's functioning, hormones that you're producing, and then that has a knock-on effect on like take weight, for example, um, the amount of water that you're gonna retain in your muscles is gonna impact your weight. And if you're someone who weighs yourself regularly, doing everything right, but your weight still shoots up and you don't know why, and it's stressful, and that's just one example of how it's actually mad, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 41:06

Like it's like everything, plus we're gonna spin this wheel every day.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Yeah, yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_04 41:13

Like it does make you appreciate it, and again, like like you're saying, men just don't normally have to think in that sort of way, but like I said, just thinking about it, even if it just makes you appreciate how lucky you are not to have to deal with that all the time, and it makes you have those conversations with people and have a bit of understanding, yeah. Even that is gonna be a massive step forward. If everyone did that, that would be huge.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

I'm sure Sat, I don't know how obviously, as a teacher at a secondary school, what's like a school stance on it, like male teachers and females, and you teach PT. Do you ever come across like I teach primary school? Oh, you're pri Why did I think you were secondary school? Yeah, why didn't you? I don't know what I thought you were at secondary school. Oh, well, fine.

SPEAKER_04 41:51

But yeah, we we yeah, with that the as the kids get older in year four, five, and six and stuff, they have sex education, and but what a big thing is it used to be segregated, which made it a real like, oh boys, you can't find out about this because this is girl stuff, and girls, oh this is so important and massive and embarrassing, we can't possibly have any boys in the room. Yeah, whereas now it's all just mixed together and it's just promoted as this happens, we all need to understand it, and actually, boys, you've got to have a bit of appreciation here of all these things that go on. And to the girls, this is a thing we talk about, and it's yeah, please. Oh, I love that, and it's not uh, and there has been a huge change in how the girls it's not like uh oh my goodness, this all these terrible things, and oh that's good. Yeah, so it's really really good.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

Because I know, I mean, this is going maybe going off sub like on a tangent a little bit, but I know when I was at prime school year six, that sex education chat, the boys stayed in one room, the girls went to another, this is how you put a tampon in, this is what happens, and that was it.

SPEAKER_04 42:51

Yeah, no, it's massively, it's massively, massively changed, which is really in our school, especially, but I'm pretty sure the the sort of advice and stuff like that is all changed as well for other schools. So yeah, it's much better, it's much more open conversation, which is good.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

So now it's our responsibility to keep that moving in the right direction. Yeah. Well, I mean, why why don't you tell us a little bit about how you adjust your training uh around it? Like what do you need to consider, whether it's your running or your strength training?

SPEAKER_00 43:17

Um, I think most females know when whereabouts they are, because I track mine. Um, so I know when it's coming and I try and plan my rest day around it. If it's not exactly when I think it will be, that my like day one, I am in a hell of a lot of pain. Firstly, I just take a lot of ibuprofen and paracestol. Uh but that medical advice?

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Again, not doctors, not medical advice.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

Um and I'm normally just like hunched up on the sofa and can't move. But if you're very dramatic. Shut up.

SPEAKER_02 43:52

I am joking.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

It's a lot of pain, it's a lot of pain. Um, but I will, yeah, if I'm sort of I know roughly when I'm when it's gonna come. And then I'll definitely go lighter if I am going to be training. Some I think what the thought of exercising when I'm on my period is like how I really, really don't want to move. But sometimes it actually really helps. So making sure if I am going to train, lower intensity, um, keeping the weight a lot lighter, or even if it's just like, oh, I've planned to train today, but I really I'm really not feeling it. So I'm just gonna go for a walk. Because actually, exercise can help alleviate the pain, ease the muscles. Obviously, it's cramping, so exercise can actually help. Um, very much so.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

If you were, if you were, let's say you were training for for a race or something, and you had She doesn't race. Yeah, let's just race, what's that? Let's hypothetically say that she's actually gonna race. Um, and you had to say you're training for a marathon, you've got a long run coming up at the weekend, and you know that around that weekend is when you're due to come on. What would you what would you do with your training to to try and preempt preempt that? For example.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

I would probably get myself all geared up, do what I'd normally do before a long run, get my coffee in, have a break, have my breakfast. If I get out the front door and I start running and I've been running for 10 minutes and I'm still in pain, I would just probably stop and sack it off until the week after or something. I'd get going. If like if I was in absolute agony, I would just bin it off completely. But if it was like, oh, I'm just a little bit crampy, I'm a bit uncomfortable, but I might I I want to try. If I'm feeling mentally up for it, then I would give myself 10 minutes to get into it, and then if I felt alright, then keep going. If I'm like, nah, not today, then I would just cut it short and not beat myself up about it.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

That's the main thing. And are there like any specific types of workouts you would try to avoid around that time? Like, is it a case of like, oh, I'm not gonna do high intensity work because that can aggravate.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

Yeah, so I wouldn't go for like some intervals run or something where I know I've got to put a lot of effort in because that's just gonna you're already feeling fatigued and sore and in pain and mentally you feel blah and physically you don't feel great. So I wouldn't then go and try and push really hard. Because also, if I then went went and did that hard session and I didn't do it as well as I would have wanted to, that would probably make me feel like shit as well. So you're just kind of adding fuel to the fire in that way.

SPEAKER_04 46:34

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I've got I've got a stupid question. No, ask so in the Olympics and you've got all these women who's on that day is the biggest day of their lives. Yeah, how are they able to control? Because someone could win and someone could lose based on that whole cycle.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

So how do they how do people like control and adjust and this is a whole thing that's like really like not discussed a lot about female Olympians? Um, so it's like part of almost tactics and stuff that you don't even know. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Because like the week after your period, what are I'm such a bad uh woman, I can't even remember what such a bad woman. I can't even remember what that's called. Is it follicular?

SPEAKER_01 47:22

It's the name of the podcast, anyway. That's that's the podcast title.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

You've got luteal, menstrual, yeah, ovulation, and uh yeah, follicular. Is that how you say it?

SPEAKER_04 47:34

Funicular, isn't that something that goes up the side of an alpine mountain?

SPEAKER_00 47:37

I can't remember.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Well, it's if it is it's funicular.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Oh my god, I'm so terrible.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

It definitely is uh basically a tramp that goes up a mountain.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

After your period, that's when you're like at your you've got the most testosterone in your system, and when you're feeling your strongest and ready to go.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Um it is it is a follicular phase.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Yeah, just follicular. I thought so. I knew it.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

And it's not a thing that goes up the side of a mountain. Vernacular. Okay, vernacular is a mountain situation.

SPEAKER_00 48:09

Follicular is what we're talking about. So there we go, man just taking it for something else.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Yeah, but taking ownership of it.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Of the men straw cycle, that's when you're feeling your sort of yeah, strongest, you've got the most amount of uh yeah, testosterone in your system, so that could play to your advantage. When you're in the luteal, is when you're feeling like the week before your period, you're feeling the hungriest, cravings are high. A lot more. That's when the uh lining of the womb is starting to build up, which is why, which actually didn't we find out that luteal phase is when you burn on average, a female burns an extra sort of like two to three hundred calories a day, because that's what your body is uh sort of building up, and that's why you get cravings while you feel hungrier because you are burning more.

SPEAKER_04 48:57

Yeah. So that must make race preparation even harder if you want to time it right for the maximum thing, but then the first the two weeks before that, you're basically not ready to do that thing. Yeah, yeah, and it's really hard, and your calorie requirements are always changing. And why would you talk about it otherwise? But it's so important to like find these things out.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

Um an Olympian side, um, as a fee as you know, someone who has a period and they're gonna be tracking when it's gonna happen potentially, can take uh pills to delay your period, right? But that doesn't that could potentially still play havoc with your hormones and stuff because fun fact when uh I ran Boston. Did you run Boston? The day what do you want? A gold medal? The gold medal the day um my period was due on the day of the race, and I was like, fuck, yeah, that is game over. Worst possible situation, literally worst thing. So I went to the doctor and asked for the tablets, I can't remember what they're called, and they can delay your period. When I spoke to him on the phone, the doctor, he said, Oh, you're flying. I was like, Yeah, he was like, Oh, well, actually they um they cause blood clots, they cause they they don't cause blood clots, they can increase the risk of blood clots anyway, but also if you're flying, that will then increase the risk even more. Oh, sweet. So I was like, cool. So I'm either on my period, day one, and I wake up and it's race day, or I have a high risk of a blood clot.

SPEAKER_04 50:32

Yeah, so did you go up and down the plane lines and what do I do? Buff compression sleeves.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

Uh thank goodness the day we flew out, it was the Friday and the race was the Monday. I came on that morning and I literally I went to the toilet.

SPEAKER_06 50:45

I was like, yes.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

Dad was uh, yeah, you were like, What's what's happened? I was like, I'm bleeding.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

You hear you hear some weird noises in this house. It's either Biscoff bagel moans or celebrations on the toilet. I'm bleeding is a good contender for the podcast title.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

I'm bleeding. I mean, so I still maybe this is TMI, sorry, but I still was on a little bit on race day, but it was, you know, absolutely nothing I needed to worry about because the first two days are always the worst, but yeah, still not something you want to do. But I have seen posts on socials where females are becoming a little bit more open about, you know, that it's marathon day and I'm on my period. What do I do? Like sometimes you're gonna have to go into the toilet and you know, sort yourself out. And it's like if you've been training for months and you're going for a time, that's like really not ideal. You know, if you're running for three, four, five hours and you need to get into the toilet, like it's yeah, really like not good. So, yeah, I Olympians I have no idea how they would sort of deal with that. Would they take the tablets that delay your period a little bit, or do they just crack on and there's there's probably been in the past and probably now some shady medication and things to try and and because they are at such an elite level, these things will make a difference. Like their time of the month. Yeah, some and you know, they're in little shorts as well. And I know a lot of females feel a bit uncomfortable in the sort of clothes that they've got to wear sometimes as well.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

And that's a whole separate conversation, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 52:27

Yeah, and I know tennis players because they're all in white, some you know, it's you know, didn't they change?

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Didn't they change the rules in tennis that um it doesn't need to be all white, including shorts anymore? I'm pretty sure women can wear that.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

Uh oh, women's football women's football as well. The ink the girls England squad were said they didn't they wanted to have the choice to have blue shorts or navy shorts instead of white. Yeah, yeah. Because some things happen, you know, you can't even if you're you're wearing your protection and you're play but you're playing sport, you know, things move around. It's yeah, you know, and it's trying to create more conversation around this sort of thing, like periods in sport and running and stuff, because yeah, it's not really spoken about a lot.

SPEAKER_04 53:09

And when it comes to technology, is watches because I've seen that that's like features on certain watches and stuff like that. Is that what you use? Is that accurate or is there better ways to people to use it?

SPEAKER_00 53:19

I use I think you you can track it on your Garmin. You have got a period tracker. I just use my iPhone, the menstrual cycle tracker, just because I know that's just like it just tells me how many days. But you there is a there's an app called flow uh for obvious reasons, and I think it goes into more depth. It can like when you track it, it goes into more depth and stuff. So there are definitely apps out there, and I think your Garmin, yeah, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

Do you see biometric markers of like sleep and heart rate and stuff like that? HRV, are they affected by the cycle or are they pretty steady throughout?

SPEAKER_00 53:53

For me, my HRV and stuff, my HRV, I only notice when I'm getting ill.

SPEAKER_04 53:58

Which is heart rate variability, which uh Dan will now explain.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

So, yes, heart rate variability is just in simple terms, is the time in between your heartbeats. Um, and contrary to popular belief, you want a higher heart rate variability because when it's lower, that is your body trying to protect itself and it just settles into actually a more steady rhythm because it's trying to almost go into survival mode a little bit more. So when your HRV really drops, that's actually a sign of uh excessive stress. Yeah. Um or you think you might be getting ill because your body's trying to fight something.

SPEAKER_04 54:31

Yeah, that's why I wondered though, because it you can pick it up, it like guess when you're feeling representative.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

It probably does. Um part of it. Because I know if you I don't I mean, it's a bit different, but I know everyone says if they've had a couple drinks or alcoholic drinks, their HRV drops because I guess your heart is being poisoned.

SPEAKER_02 54:50

Yes, yeah, literally. Danger, danger. Yeah, yeah, because it because it's just another stressor on your body. Um and just finally on HRV is people always go like, Oh, what what's the what's the ideal HRV? What should I have? Everyone's different, um, but the key difference is whether your HRV changes rapidly. So if you see a sharp spike or a sharp drop, that is a more important thing to look out for than just what the outright number is. Yeah, yeah. Good to know. Yeah. So yeah. Little mini coach's corner.

SPEAKER_04 55:16

Little corner in a corner.

SPEAKER_00 55:18

A corner within a corner. Um, but yeah, I think I mean, in terms of like women's health, females' health, I think it's just making sure that um women can be vocal about it with their male partners, friends, whoever it is that they're training with and their coaches, their PTs, yeah, if they're going in for a class, like, you know, they don't have to vocalize it to everyone and walk in the room and say, I'm on my period. But they just know, you know, if they're in a class situation with a bunch of people and you know they're not moving quite as fast as everyone else, or their things are feeling harder than normal, like just adapt it and have no shame in doing a bodyweight squat instead of a weighted squat. It really doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

It's not something that should be stigmatized or swept under the rug. You shouldn't feel like you have to hide it from people, no, um, which is why we have been talking at length about it. Yeah, um, so I guess to summarise, it's it it needs a bit of extra planning on your part because it's extra shit that you have to deal with uh that we are very fortunate to not have to deal with. Um so you may need to change some of your runs, you may need to change the intensity of some of your workouts, and we should all be doing our part to make sure that we're all able to talk about it and to offer any women a space to talk about it. Fair play.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

I won't be able to do it. I'll be rubbish, I'll be the worst. Shit. So like well done. That sounds so patronizing. I'm so sorry. Thank you. I didn't mean it like that. I was like, God, I'm gonna I'm just saying, I it's it's like I've never spoken about it in that way, and like literally I've learned, I hope people have learned as much as I have at this thing because it's just like I just hadn't processed it in that way. I'm just like, I'm just thinking now, like, how would I manage? Like, it's just so much extra variability in everything that is already vendored.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

The worst thing you can do to a woman is if she's a little bit grumpy or a little bit low, or she's just not feeling it, is going, you're right, you're on the blob.

SPEAKER_04 57:15

Oh, that's what has an in-between.

SPEAKER_00 57:18

Yeah, that is the worst thing you can say. It's like, no, I'm just having a bad day. Yeah, not everyone is grumpy on their period.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

And you just made it worse. Fuck off.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

Uh but yeah. Cool. Well, that is that is that's really good.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

Really interesting. Yeah. Yes. I've learned a lot there. I'm gonna cut all of Sam's audio and all I'm gonna include is the well done.

SPEAKER_05 57:37

The well done.

SPEAKER_02 57:38

In the end.

SPEAKER_05 57:38

And that I'm bleeding.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

Yeah, it's gonna be Becky talking for an hour and then Sam just goes, Well done. I brought a little game for you uh of overrated or underrated. Yeah. Um, so I'm just gonna give you a topic and you're gonna tell me overrated or underrated. Okay. If you really feel strongly that it is appropriately rated, you can say so. But I want uh I want some some definitive uh choices here. Okay. So number one is handing out t-shirts at race events. I don't care, I check them in the bin.

SPEAKER_04 58:09

I don't throw them in the bin, I just leave them, but I don't wear them.

SPEAKER_02 58:12

So overrated for Sam?

SPEAKER_00 58:14

I like a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_02 58:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

Because I wear them. But I wouldn't say they're underrated.

SPEAKER_02 58:19

No.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

Or overrated. I again I like a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_04 58:23

This game is going swimming. I don't bother. It's a badge of honour. I think they're underrated because I think it's really good for everyone else. I'm fully aware that I am very different when it comes to lots of things like this. So I'm like, I'm not, but I think it's nicer people. Yeah. So basically if it's a good design, I'm like the Brighton Marathon t-shirt.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

Could put it this way: if you signed up for an event and you paid like 50 or 60 quid to be part of it, would you expect a t-shirt? Yes. Yeah. Yes. What if they offered to plant a tree instead?

SPEAKER_00 58:53

It depends what race it was. If it was a pretty good one.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

It depends where the tree's going.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

If it was a half marathon or a full marathon, I'd want a t-shirt, but anything under a half, uh, you can plant the tree.

SPEAKER_04 59:05

I like smaller races that are like 20 quid, and then you have the option to pay 15 pounds more for a t-shirt. And I'm like, no, thanks. But then I'm like, great, for everyone else.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Yeah, enjoy your t-shirt. Yes. That's where I land. I'd like the option, but some of them are pretty good. The quality is a bit.

SPEAKER_00 59:18

I think if you're paying a lot for an entry tick, like entry ideal, or like it's a big race. Did you get a Boston t-shirt? I did. It's a long sleeve one. So banger, that one.

SPEAKER_04 59:27

Oh, because the Boston.

SPEAKER_00 59:30

I didn't get a jacket. They're $120.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

Yeah, the jackets like a big thing, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 59:34

Yeah, everyone was wearing them. It's a bit of a flex.

SPEAKER_04 59:36

Because you can't buy the Boston jackets anywhere, can you? You can only buy it if you're there, is that right? Or can you buy it separately? You can see for me, like London, you could buy all the stuff just on sports shoes. Yeah. So that completely cheapens it for me. If it was just like there's one jacket and there's a t-shirt and a singlet or whatever, and you can only buy it at the expo, great. I would then sold. I would be like, yep, that's really cool. Anyone can wear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

It's New Balance, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:02

But also, New Balance's designs have been shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

Yeah. It's not Adidas.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

Overrated. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:08

Yeah, overrated. New balance.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:09

But yeah, well, I haven't I've actually not worn it yet because it is long sleeve and it's as soon as we got back, it's been warm. But come autumn, you're gonna see me flexing.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

Every every park crunch is gonna be that. Oh, this bastard. Um, right, next one is naked runs. No, not that kind. I can see Sam's face already. Naked runs, by which I mean either running without a watch or covering it up entirely. Underrated.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:33

Underrated. Underrated.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

Well, that was an easy one. Stop relying on technology.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:38

Next question.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:39

Uh and your last one, because I only brought three. Could you run?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:43

Now here we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:44

How accurately could you run very quickly? A park run. As in you could name a time, how close director you could get to.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

Oh, I think I would be alright at a tillgate because I know it well.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

I could get within 20 seconds either side. At any at any time.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

Obviously, not like 14. On the well no. I think if you if you said to me you have to run a 25 minute park run, I think I could get 20 seconds or 30 seconds. No, 20 seconds. I'll back myself. 20 seconds.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

You're not and you're not allowed to run it near people because then you'll know roughly the sort of big paces, yeah. Especially if someone with the vest on saying 25.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:18

Yeah, you follow the 25-minute pacer.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:20

No, I think without yeah, well, on my own, I I reckon 20 seconds. I think certain times I think I can dial in to certain paces, like I can dial into like 545 really well, quite specifically, and I can dial into like 428 quite well.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

Yeah, they're the natural, yeah. You know how it feels. Someone was asking me the other day, they're like, How do you how do you stick with your pacing? Obviously, you have a watch, but I'm like, you just learn how it feels on the legs, on the breathing. Like you just get you've just done it so many times, you just know how it's meant to feel.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

I might do that if you park around tomorrow, actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:53

Yeah, do it. Let's know how you can.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:54

I turn it off the thing or things on my watch and just see if I can run out.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

Well, are you going for a fast time or like a no because I've got East Bond on Sunday, so I'm like to try and do that at 25, 26? Just see what I can do. We we know we know how you function. That doesn't necessarily stop you from running a hard over.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:08

Nothing. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

All right, last question. Now, your final overrated or underrated before we go into questions, is and I don't really know why I brought this one because of my audience, shoe rotations. So, and by shoe rotations I mean having three or more pairs of shoes. Overrated. Okay, good answer.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:29

As in more than three, overrated. Three, three plus. Yeah, overrated.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

Complete first world problem, fabricated, yeah, aesthetic. Just we're we're just we're just an example. And I'm aware that we're recording this sat in front of about 25 minutes. It's just codible, it's just case. It's it it is capitalism.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:44

But some of them are the same shoe in different colours just because I like the super.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

How many pairs of super blast twos do you have? Or have you gone through?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

Oh, I'm on my third pair of super blast twos, and I have super blast threes.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:58

But that's at least a thousand pounds of super blasts.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:01

I just enjoy them so much.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:03

They are good.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

Enjoy them. Oh, can you still get twos?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:07

Yeah, aren't you guys get on the Chinese shoe revolution?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:11

Yeah. But I do I did say to Dan, I'm missing an easy shoe now. Yeah. Missing it because what I gave my mum my uh uh Socney hurricanes, because I'm just ugh, don't like them. Uh yeah, so they're like utility shoes for my mum now. So I am missing an easy pair because I'd love those, but they're a little bit beaten up now. The socky triumph twenties.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:34

Hold on. Any shoe that has like like Triumph 20 or Hurricane 22. I'm like, nah. No, I'm not joining in. If you're doing that 24 times, you should have got it right. Sorry. So 25th times the charm. I don't know why, like Brooks do it, and like I was like, no, I'm not look at them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

I wore them the other day and they're still great. Running. They've got big hole in, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:57

You've got a giant hole because Becky's got really long toes.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

Oh, yeah, I forgot to say, I it lost another toenail last week, and I've got another one on its way, so that's three.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

After all this talk about stigma and like making sure we can talk about things. Ugh.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:12

Yeah, maybe I am a bit too open about some things, but yeah, two toenails are currently off on the same page. And the other ones are subscribed.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:22

No, they they would pay us to blur these images, honestly. My my summer feet are yeah, you're not wearing sandals anytime soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:29

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

Um but you said you had some questions. Yes, questions. Oh yeah, I got some questions. We got questions from the people. Did you get questions that we can read on air? Sort of.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

Yeah. Okay, so first question. If RuPaul wore Alpha Flies, how tall would she be?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:47

Oh, six foot.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:48

RuPaul's tall.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:49

Yeah, six foot seven.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:53

Yeah, I think at least Alpha Flies make you super tall. Um, so that's from Sev. Thanks, Sev, so much. Uh information. Uh my other one We're a very uh educational partner. I need to get the Wi-Fi at your house because my Wi-Fi, no idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

Oh yeah, the the the internet's uh well, the 4G is not good. You've got to get on the wifi.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:14

There we go. So from Daniel Harvey Sports Rehab, we've already answered this. Two-day London Marathon for 2027. Oh yeah. Does it take away from the event and smaller crowds?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:23

Well, we just spoke about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:25

So I don't think the crowds will be smaller. I think people will still get behind it. And Double Day. London was already at breaking point when it came to trying to navigate the city to watch the runners anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:36

Maybe it'll make it easier to spectate in a good way.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:39

I would actually be a big fan of slightly smaller crowds.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:42

Yeah, because it was impossible to get round, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

Yeah, I mean I chased Becky round. I've chased Becky around for both times she's done London Marathon. The first time, when it was a bit quieter, I saw her like five or six times. And the second time I Once saw her once, and I'm not even sure she saw me at the time. No, I didn't. And if next year goes to play.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

You'll be chasing her as a caterpillar.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

Also, really didn't help that that was when I proposed was after London Marathon. That's a stress, that is a stressful thing added to a very stressful thing. And then running around and not being able to see her anywhere, and then her texting me saying she wasn't going to finish the race.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

I was nearly a DNF.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:19

So if you DNF, would you have still proposed? You would have been like not today. No, you gotta you gotta earn that shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

I meant as if you'd be in the right mood. Not do you deserve to marry me?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:35

Good for age, good for dad. I'm not marrying a DNF. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

How many times did you walk?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:41

I still got a 335.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:43

Becky said herself, walkers not tolerated. I'm just applying the same words.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:47

Again, we got no we got no clap back from that last week. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:50

Well they will just what you didn't see your Instagram following drop by like a hundred.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:54

Fuck this crap. Uh right, next question from Daniel Harvey Sports Rehab again. If you could pick one race anywhere in the world, which one would you do?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

I mean, there's probably so many that we don't even know about, which would be amazing. But I've heard from a friend who's done it before, she did the Lake Garda half marathon, and she said it's not actually hilly, and she said it was beautiful. I bet. So that would be on my top of my list.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:23

On the lake front as well, isn't it? There's a lot of like boardwalk stuff, and you're you're right on the edge of the lake.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:27

I was surprised when she said it was flat, so yeah, I'd yeah that would be one, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:31

Lakes tend to not be that hilly by nature of being a lake.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:34

Yeah, but there's like it's all surrounded by mountains, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. So but yeah, that would be an amazing, amazing one, I think, for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

Yeah, I I still think um even though I prefer half marathons, I still think Tokyo Marathon would be would be up there. Partly because it's so hard to get into, I think just makes me want to do it more. Yeah. Um, but I mean I was always wanted to visit Japan anyway, so I think that's that would be my top of my list.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:58

What about you?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:59

I would do comrades. But I think that's cool. I the medal is like tiny, it's so understated, it's like, yeah, we don't care. We don't even care about the medal, yeah. And the history of it, and like and at the beginning they sing like a South African, I've got I don't want to, it's a dangerous thing of like trying to work out what it is actually. Um, but they sing this song and it's like incredible and like everyone's crying and like it's like promotional. I think that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:22

I think it's is it 90?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:23

God's brutal.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:25

Yeah, I'll let you do that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:27

Yeah, yeah, you're doing that one already.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:28

Can anyone enter that, or is it like a ballot, or how do you get in?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:32

It's a ballot. I think it's hard to get into. Yeah. Um, no, that I would what I do want to do UTMB after slagging it off. Still want to do it, or something like old Swiss Alps 100 or something like that. Like, I want to run on Gasia. That's what I want to do. Uh, this one is what's each of your most memorable race or achievement from running? And we did answer that in a podcast. It's because we've got new listeners, that's the problem. Yeah. New people coming in. Why haven't you gone and done your revision?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

I can't even remember what I said. My answer might change.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:56

Yeah, could why I've I think I because I I tried to say proposing to you after marathon, and your instant response was that's you went, that's not a race.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:04

Yeah, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:05

You went, shut up.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:06

Favourite race. I can't remember what I said last time.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:09

Mine's in a London last year.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:11

As a memorable event of like the running was not pretty, but it was just a bit of a whole moment for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:17

Yeah, yeah. I got emotional watching your London marathon video.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:21

Ah, uh, mine was the back half of New Forest half marathon when it opens up into the valley and you've got the wild horses running alongside. Wild horses. Oh, so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:30

Wild horses. I can't even remember what I said. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:34

When I lifted 80 kilograms four times in the June.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:39

My 110 kilo deadlift, my one rep max that I got last year. That's my favourite reps.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:44

Was that it for the questions? That was yeah, they were the main questions I got. I only posted it early this morning, so so guys, we're out of questions. We need more questions. We need more things to talk about because clearly we haven't been talking for long enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:56

I mean, I I I think we've not not been talking.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:00

I don't yeah. I don't I don't think anyone could accuse us of not talking enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:04

Um last thing, I've got Eastbourne on Sunday. Yes, date.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:08

Well, it's gonna be hot one. What time are you starting your run? Do you know? I think it's nine o'clock start. 9 a.m. It's on the coast. So what's the game of uh what's the game plan?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:17

I've got to commit to it if I say it. That's the sub 40. I'm gonna run a sub-25k in the second half. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:24

Are we gonna negy split or posy split?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:27

Oh no, I'm gonna be have to negy split that. Because if I posy split, that means I've run a faster than sub-20 5k in the first half. Yes. So I think I'm gonna go out at maybe so four, so to do a 4030, which is what the overall plan is, just to slowly build towards sub 40, is like 403 per K, obviously. And so I think I'm gonna maybe do like four tens and then go through halfway in whatever that is.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:54

Um 2050. And then that's my PB. And then bust out a 19 something, maybe. But like I say, if it's hot, I don't I don't like the heat.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:05

Are you gonna gauge it when you get to the five halfway point and be like, I've got it, or I'll be right back?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:10

I'm just gonna try like like the other day at Worthing, I'm gonna get to that 5k point and I'm just gonna go for it, and I'm gonna see how many kilometres out of the five I can run sub four and just go for it. So I'm gonna try and run like a like again, 358 seems to be my my go-to, like that sort of effort. So try and do 358, 358, yeah, and then run a sub four mile at the end. Yeah, easy. Because you can everyone can do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:32

You can be part of it of UK adults is how you do it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:36

On your on your last race, you said that you felt like you'd overcooked it a bit early. Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once you I didn't do the best time I could do because I was just trying to stay with a 40-minute pacer. Yeah. So that cost me time for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:48

So this time we're gonna switch up the strategy a bit, ease off a little bit in the first one.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:53

Yeah, but the legs are not feeling super fresh because of everything. Yeah, but that's never an indicator of how well I can run. I've never, some of my best runs I've ever done, I've been like cooked and it's been in the middle of a hard training week, so that's not an indicator for me. I'm not gonna wear the pumas. No. What are you gonna wear? Yeah, what is the shoe of choice? I'm tempted to run the adidas. I know you've been saying adidas. They're banging. But the leanings uh in my park round I did last week, they're just they go.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

Every time you say leaning, I think of someone leaning.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:23

Yeah, that's what I always think you say. Leaning in, leaning.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:26

I just feel like they're like running at an angle. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:28

Well, the stack on one is 30, the stack on the other is 50.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:32

Well, we'll see. We look forward to hearing how you get on. I mean all about it. I kind of want to know once you've done well, we'll see. I'm sure you'll post on socials.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:42

I'll do it, I'll do a video. My working video I did did quite well actually, which is good, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:46

Don't tell us. I mean, it's it's sad that you don't reveal all the details until podcast day. Yeah, because I kind of want to know, but our our friendship is now uh podcast only.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:57

Yeah, look. Look, we've monetised the friendship, yeah. And we want to be natural. We can't fake this, we can't fake this dynamic uh no, no, you cannot.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

I wouldn't control chat that is up, but I certainly wouldn't want to. This is not scripted, guys, believe it or not. If we could if we could fake things, we'd fake something a lot better.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:17

And on that note, yeah, and on that bombshell, we wish you luck.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:20

Enjoy.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:21

Thank you very much. Please write in, let us know. Um, Becky's on Instagram, so is Dan, Annais. All in the show notes. Um, come find us and we will be happy to chat to you. Any questions, especially around women's cycles and stuff like that. I think that's a really good thing to chat about. So do that, plus other stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:36

And the very last thing is for anyone who is still listening, uh, an hour and 20 minutes odd into the into the end, you'd probably be interested. I'm doing a live workshop for working out your zones um on Saturday, 27th of June. Um, so it's like online workshop. We go through, talk about a little bit more about what threshold pace is, what your zones do, and how to actually work them out now and in the future so that you can retest your zones so that you can stop using whatever the hell your watch is telling you, because it's probably wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:06

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:07

We need a name for the people that listen till this time. Psychopaths? Psychopaths. Well done to the psychopaths.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:14

The marathons positive positive people.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:18

The positive people.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:19

The positive the PPs.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

The PPs. Well done the PPs for joining in right till the end. Thank you so much for listening or watching, however, you digest this uh shite. No, you really appreciate it. It's really fun. I just enjoyed it, it's just nice having a chat and giving time to talk about things. So thank you for facilitating us to be able to do this. Um, yeah, we'll catch you on the next one. Have a good week, and we'll see you then.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:43

Bye bye.