Mindflow Radio #119: Uncertainty and The Delta State

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Speaker 1 0:00

Welcome to Mindflow Radio.

Speaker 2 0:04

Mindflow Radio.

Speaker 1 0:05

She's Jai Lynn.

Speaker 2 0:06

And he's Monte.

Speaker 1 0:08

So buckle your seatbelts and get ready to take a trip towards reality.

Speaker 2 0:13

Um, do I have to?

Speaker 1 0:18

Maybe. Eventually you do have to.

Speaker 2 0:22

Are we there yet?

Speaker 1 0:25

That's a good one.

Speaker 2 0:28

All right, my friends, how are you doing? I hope you're enjoying your day or your night or whatever it is for you. I wanted to bring up the topic of uncertainty. Ooh. I know. I feel that in our culture we strive to not have uncertainty. That's true. And yet there is no way to guarantee certainty.

Speaker 1 1:00

Right.

Speaker 2 1:01

So we're what is that? We're just spinning our wheels.

Speaker 1 1:05

Well, I think it's a lot of people just profit off of that idea. Sure. You know, that's the insurance companies for you, you know.

Speaker 2 1:12

That's yeah, very true.

Speaker 1 1:14

And then, you know, you get all this insurance, then you're certain to uh well, actually not.

Speaker 2 1:20

But there's still no certainty.

Speaker 1 1:22

It's the philosophy behind it, right?

Speaker 2 1:24

It is the philosophy. And it just really goes to that desire that we have as a culture to have some certainty.

Speaker 1 1:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:32

You know, I mean, I know for us and the fact that we're married, I I wanted to be married for the certainty of commitment, you know. So I mean, there's that, but you know, still that doesn't always mean that everything's certain. It means there's a level of commitment at least.

Speaker 1 1:52

Yeah. Right. But you you just never know what's gonna happen. Somebody could die. I could, you know, you just don't know. Right.

Speaker 2 1:59

Like, and in our culture, there's a lot of certain things that uh end up happening that end up making marriage not a known commitment. But I feel like in other cultures it's uh a little more, I don't know. I'm not in another culture, so I can't really say. But I maybe from what I have seen in uh other cultures, there seems to be um a different level of comfort with uncertainty. And maybe I'm wrong, because of course I'm just I what I know about myself is that I'm good at intuiting things and I'm horrible at interpreting what I intuited. So I can feel, and I know I'm feeling, and I know I'm right that I'm feeling, but I guess wrong on what that means a lot of the time. Every once in a while, I'm right. But I'm always right that I felt something. So I'm I can be certain that I am good at feeling, and I can be certain that at this time in my evolution, I am not good at interpreting.

Speaker 1 3:14

So, what you're saying is the certainty comes from you can be certain, you can be certain you're feeling a certain way, but it's challenging to interpret why you're feeling that way some of the time. Well, I so it's like the intellectual uncertainty.

Speaker 2 3:32

Yes, yes, because what I'm feeling, I have learned this as somebody who's empathic and gets confused on where am I and where do I end and where does the other begin. I have gotten better at that. So it took me years, but now I can pretty much tell if someone else's vibe changed and it's not mine, that something changed. And of course, my trauma brain goes, I must have done something wrong. And that's where the interpretation starts to go a little awry, because it might have nothing to do with me whatsoever, and yet I took it on as if it did. And that is my desire to have certainty that causes that issue, you know. And the reason why I feel like this is such a huge subject is because I feel that in this present time in our human history, there is nothing certain about what's about to happen in humanity in general. And there probably never was certainty, but I don't know. You know, we we get this sense that the people generations before us had it made, which I I don't even know where that comes from, but there is that feeling that uh the people who grew up in the 50s had it made. Which is you know, they had certainty.

Speaker 5:06

It all depends.

Speaker 2 5:06

Yeah, it all depends, right? And so maybe part of getting rid of the desire for certainty is coming to an acknowledgement that there really there's not that much that we can actually be certain about.

Speaker 1 5:20

No, uh I mean in the physical world, we really can't be certain about anything, right? Just from the perspective of you know, a meteor, like meteor might strike the earth or sun, solar flare, yeah. Some like like the solar flare times a hundred hits the earth, you know. It's like boom, everything's done. Yeah, everything's done. So physical reality certainty is not realistic, right? You know, we we but spiritual reality, I mean, if we believe we have a soul, that can be at least a feeling of certainty, even though you know, I I do believe I have a soul, I believe you have a soul, but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I I admit maybe I'm wrong, but the belief gives comfort. Well, it's more than comfort, it's like a statistically speaking, I'd say like 99.99% chance I'm right.

Speaker 6:24

Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:25

You know, just because that's just talking about intuitive feeling and yeah, okay. And just more than that, it just makes sense. You know, the the whole spiritual reality thing makes sense to me. So I'm fairly, but I'm not completely certain of anything. Yeah. Because I I really just well, I can be, you know, it's interesting because earlier you were talking about how you feel, and part of my philosophy in the past has been all you really have is how you feel. So I can be kind of certain about how I'm feeling right at the moment, sort of.

Speaker 2 7:04

As long as you don't get intellectually into it, and right sometimes we don't feel just ourselves though.

Speaker 1 7:11

No, well, I'm not saying we do, we probably never do. We're probably always hooking into some collective vibration, you know. And but I can be fairly certain that at this moment I'm standing right here and we're talking and you know, or creating this podcast. You know, unless I'm dreaming, of course, which is possible.

Speaker 2 7:32

You do say life is a dream.

Speaker 1 7:34

Well, it is really it is kind of a dream. But I mean, literally, I could be dreaming this, I could be laying in, you know. Yeah, you just again it like the level of certainty is high, but not yeah, not absolute, and that's what we want is absolute certainty. So we go like chasing after it, you know. And if I if I just had enough money, I can be absolutely certain that I'd be happy. Yeah, and then then they then when we die, they try and sell us these grave, these grave, um, you know, that you can add on and have perpetual, there's some like perpetual wall they can put around your casket, they call it. I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, that's not perpetual, because you know, the earth is gonna get the sun's gonna expand and you know, destroy the earth someday. Nothing is perpetual, you know. Even if I spend an extra five thousand dollars for this thing around my casket, you know, but that's what they try and sell you. Yeah, it's like really pretty sad and disturbing, but yeah, not surprising in this culture because everything is like kind of for sale, right? Exactly. Sort of like that, but you know, we'll we can get beyond that eventually. I want to say we don't we don't have to be stuck in this.

Speaker 2 8:55

Yeah, and that's what I wanted to talk about is how do we get to a place of being comfortable in uncertainty? Well, that's it, and that's definitely the quagmire I've been playing in. Well, comfort is peace in our minds, yeah.

Speaker 1 9:14

So, how do we get peaceful in our minds throughout the day?

Speaker 2 9:17

And there's more than that because the other piece I wanted to bring up is meditation. And in meditation, we go into uncertainty, we go into the unknown. And, you know, there's different ways, there's so many modalities that can give us different directions for getting into meditation. And one thing that I, when I work with people who have a lot of mental health stuff, I say, don't even try to do silent meditation. Like that's just torture. Because going into the unknown without having good inner mental boundaries and such can really be scary and unlike talk about uncomfortable. Oof. And in uh White Tiger Qigong, we do a meditation called the primordial breath, and there's six energetic focus stages that come before the last stage, which is going into the unknown. And for me, I kind of just skip that last step because I'm just not comfortable with the unknown. And I find my and it is, it's totally funny because I'll get to that place and I'll find something to forget that that's what I was doing.

Speaker 1 10:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2 10:47

And it really goes to that place of how silent meditation can be a very uncomfortable, unknown place to be.

Speaker 1 10:56

I I can get to that place of discomfort too, sometimes when I like just ponder infinity, and then it's like, wait, wait a minute, you know, and just like the idea of like any any any space, like uh a yard, you can cut that in half, and you can keep cutting that in half for an infinite amount of times mathematically. So there's this infinite space that just keeps shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and shrinking. It's like, whoa, you know, it can like make me feel uncomfortable sometimes. Then I imagine the space that expands for an infinite amount, infinite length of you know, space and just all that. I've definitely gone there. Yeah, it can really, it can really, it can be unsettling.

Speaker 2 11:47

Unless it happens organically, and then it can be like a wild ride. I've I've definitely I've had the experience where I'm meditating and I've gotten bigger than the universe and like expanded beyond this earth and just got really big, like the biggest giant you could possibly imagine. And it was the most interesting. Like it, it was that was probably seven years ago, and I can remember it like it was yesterday because it was so it touched me so deeply. This expansive, like talk about infinite, like I felt infinite, and then when I came back to the earth, I was like, and it was great, like I said, it was very memorable. But when I'm trying to go into the unknown, yeah, that's very uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 12:43

Yeah, well, I don't know, it just makes me think of like our deepest sleep at night, you know, where we actually do get to the place of our brains, kind of just like the thinking brain just turns off, boom. And that's the the delta, delta state as far as the brainwave goes. And then I believe at that point our our minds just really merge with the universal mind. And that's when like kids grow, they actually grow that's when they grow, is when they're in this delta stage sleep. So it's like we're really recharging through connecting with um the universe or the the infinite intelligence, and we if if we can sleep fairly well, we we do that every night. So it's really interesting to think that we actually go to this like super transcendental place basically every night if if we can sleep. And I think those moments are moments that none of us we really don't talk about it because we can't remember it, you know, but it's uh it's like that place where you you you wake up and it's been like three hours, four hours have passed, and you can't really love that. It's just like, oh whoa, how'd that happen? Yeah, you know, with beyond dreaming. It's like typically it's like we dream and then we go into that deeper state.

Speaker 2 14:19

That's I mean, they've done studies on that, but and that is the goal of meditation too, to get to that delta state.

Speaker 1 14:27

Well, that's a super deep meditation, yeah. But we do get there sometimes through dreaming, through I mean through sleeping, which is it's quite interesting, yeah, actually.

Speaker 2 14:42

Yeah, which you know the quality of our sleep is an indication of health for a reason.

Speaker 1 14:49

Well, and if we if we if we don't get to that place, like if we have like massive sleep deprivation, yeah, you can go crazy. Well, you do go crazy, it's not a if it's like you do, you you go psychotic, yeah. It's no fun. The mind just yeah, is out of control because the mind needs that to be plugged into the universal mind, yeah.

Speaker 2 15:12

Occasionally, yeah, to just regular if possible.

Speaker 1 15:16

Yeah, right, yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 15:17

Yeah, that's that's where health is.

Speaker 1 15:19

So maybe that's where certainty lies. Oh, maybe that's where certainty lies in that place that we can't even really talk about because we can't remember it.

Speaker 2 15:27

Oh, that's so interesting. Because that's what I was I was wanting to bring it to that place of that spot in meditation and how to get comfortable there. But what you're saying is that that's where we go when we're sleeping, yeah. And that's a great point because we actually need that for health, yeah, and we are doing that generally. Yeah. I mean, I know sometimes I don't sleep that well, yeah, for sure. But uh in in general, and so I so what I'm hearing you say, and and this is interesting because I haven't really contemplated it, is that this the quality of our sleep can affect how well we cope with certainty. Well, or uncertainty.

Speaker 1 16:14

Well, yeah, the quality of our sleep is probably one of the most important things in our overall health. So in our mental health, our physical health, everything. Which accepting uncertainty is part of. Yes, yeah, that's right. Gotcha. Yeah, and maybe in when we when we're in that space, that delta brainwave space of just plugged in to the to the universe, we're we've we've achieved it, we're comfortable with uncertainty at that point because we're like beyond the intellect, we're just connected, fully, present, and we can get there for hours at a time sometimes. But even like 10 minutes, five minutes, three minutes is probably very helpful. Regenerative for sure.

Speaker 2 17:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So bringing it around and wrapping it up, I feel like getting to a level of even recognizing the desire for uncertainty because I feel that uh this can be uh easily hidden in our subconscious, that we even desire it. So bringing it out into the conscious and and being able to acknowledge the need or the desire for certainty, and then kind of pushing back and realizing that every day or every night, or most nights, or some nights, or every once in a while, we get to that place of absolute peace and regeneration. And we do go, we do get comfortable in the uncertainty when we're sleeping. I love that you pointed that out because I've really not thought about it before, but when I'm thinking about it, it's like we can't be certain that we'll wake up, we can't be certain that the world will be the same when we wake up, but our bodies desire and cause us to sleep so that we go to this place. Yeah, right. It's four stars regenerate.

Speaker 1 18:24

Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 18:24

And that's amazing. I love it. And that also just brings up that we can tap into that knowing of oh, you know, instead of desiring certainty, I can accept that there when I get my most regenerative place, I am absolutely uncertain of anything. And that it's okay.

Speaker 1 18:50

Yeah. You're you're uncertain of anything.

Speaker 2 18:54

Right, because you're in the delta, you're you're out.

Speaker 1 18:58

Oh, right. Well, you're beyond beyond certainty and uncertainty. Yeah, okay, okay. You're beyond it, you're yeah, I like that. In just like this super high-level flow that's just and we we struggle and struggle, and we we want to get to that flow state when we're awake through meditation, but the way we really, really, really get it, or through meditation or through working out, or through playing music, or whatever it is. Qigong. Qi gong, of course, future qigong master, but um, yes, but yeah, so awesome.

Speaker 2 19:39

Well, I just want to invite you all out there to sleep tonight and think about how you are regenerating and really getting into that universal flow in your sleep and yeah, that you're doing it effortlessly. And how amazing is that.

Speaker 1 20:03

Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 20:04

And maybe you'll even get there in a meditation and or even in your conscious time, just feeling like, oh, certainty is not what I'll it's cracked up to be. So I think I'll just be comfortable in the unknown.

Speaker 1 20:21

Sounds good to me.

Speaker 2 20:22

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Speaker 2 20:48

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