The Affiliate Marketing Podcast
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The Affiliate Marketing Podcast
Trust Over Transactions: Building Loyalty in Modern Affiliate Marketing
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Why personalised affiliate recruitment still outperforms automation (and what the best affiliate managers do differently)
If your affiliate recruitment is generating lists but not conversations, this episode is your reset. Frederic Jean-Bart, founder of Performance Partners, has spent 17 years building relationships across every side of this industry: affiliate networks, brand-side program management, and as an affiliate himself. Lee-Ann and Fred get into why the era of AI-generated outreach is actually making human connection more valuable, not less, how deal making with high-quality affiliates is where real program growth happens, and what separates elite affiliate managers from everyone else hitting send on the same mass email.
Listen to Find Out More About:
- The exact communication gap between what affiliate managers send and what top publishers actually need to see before they say yes
- Why media buyers are among the best affiliates for scale but require a completely different recruitment and relationship strategy than any other partner type
- How AEO and brand citation are starting to change where affiliate influence happens in the customer journey, and what that means for program strategy
- Why Fred's advice to his 2009 self comes down to one word and what that means practically for anyone building a career in this industry
- The rapid fire breakdown on CPA versus revenue share, the one book Fred says every agency owner should read, and why boring operations beat exciting chaos every single time
- What trust actually looks like in practice with high-value affiliate partners, and why paying on time is as much a relationship signal as any personal outreach
Key Segments of This Podcast and Where You Can Tune In to Go Direct:
[01:51] Fred introduces his 17-year career spanning network, brand, and affiliate sides of the industry and why building Performance Partners came out of working with nine-figure e-commerce brands
[05:05] Lee-Ann shares the exact outreach emails she receives that get deleted instantly, and what three pieces of information every affiliate needs before they'll respond
[09:35] The case for getting on video calls with key partners and why the human ability to convey excitement and credibility over a call still closes deals that email cannot
[15:30] Why media buyers are the most powerful affiliate type for scale but also the most burnt out by programs that overpromise, and what building genuine trust with them requires
[17:40] Partner diversification as risk management, why brands default to influencers and coupon sites, and how Fred approaches segmentation from day one of a new program
Call to Action
A huge thank you to Frederic Jean-Bart for joining us this week. If this episode has made you rethink how you're recruiting affiliates and managing partner relationships, KonverJ works with brands at exactly this level, building programs that are built on strategy, not spray and pray. Find out how we work with brands here.
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