The CHAARG Podcast

#106] Simi Botic: Finding Freedom With Exercise, Movement Menu, + Motherhood

March 10, 2020 CHAARG
The CHAARG Podcast
#106] Simi Botic: Finding Freedom With Exercise, Movement Menu, + Motherhood
Show Notes Transcript

Simi [@simibotic] is BACK on the podcast... sharing her story on finding freedom with exercise + how that led to her newest program: Unmeasured. + of course, Elisabeth + Simi chat about motherhood now that Simi has two kids -- the last time she was on the podcast, she was pregnant with her second child : ). PSA: Everyone needs to read Simi's book, Letting Go Of Leo! 

-- Connect With Simi:
-- Episode #16 With Simi: Healing Your Relationship With Food
-- Episode #62 With Simi: Intuitive Eating, Food Triggers, + Birth Control
-- Read Simi's Book: Letting Go Of Leo
-- Check Out Simi's Barre Membership: Unmeasured
-- Chris McAlister On The CHAARG Podcast: Part 1 + Part 2
-- Columbus Recs: Butcher Shop Fitness, The Space
-- Insta Rec: @healingcrayons
-- Book Rec: Anti Diet
-- Podcast: Raising Good Humans

spk_1:   0:05
guys, Welcome to the charge podcast. Today I am in Columbus, So it's Sydney. I am so excited to have you on the podcast for the third time. I just love getting to come and chat with you and hang

spk_0:   0:19
out with the charge community. It's like, so wonderful. Always.

spk_1:   0:21
It's so much fun. I'm sure so many people know who you are. But for those who are listening to the podcast the first time, can you share a little bit about yourself?

spk_0:   0:30
Totally? Yes, my name is Sue Me. I live here in Columbus, Ohio. I m. An attorney turned health coach and intuitive eating counselor. I'm a bar instructor in the author of Letting Go of Leo How I Broke Up With Perfection,

spk_1:   0:44
the best book ever. Honestly, everyone needs to read that book. It's so funny, thank you. That's like when people tell me that they laugh. That's the highest compliment. Like your whole areas. I'm like, Oh my gosh, everyone used to read it. We'll get up in the show notes for share. So there's a few random topics that I want to talk about today, but I wanted to start with something that Chris McAlister always starts with. And I know both of us know him really well. And he's also bet on the podcast. But he likes to start his conversations with Where you winning? Losing Stuck. Inspired. Oh,

spk_0:   1:20
I love this. Okay, where am I winning? I feel like I am very much leaning into this season of motherhood with two little kids. So I had a baby six

spk_1:   1:37
months ago, and then I have

spk_0:   1:38
a three year old and I feel really good about the quality time that I'm getting to spend with both of them. So that feels good in my life right now. Um,

spk_1:   1:50
losing in that same mix.

spk_0:   1:53
Um, I have not quite figured out how to give, like, the energy and intention to a lot of other

spk_1:   2:02
areas of my life

spk_0:   2:03
since having this baby's. So there are a lot of times where I have to use self compassion to tell myself that it's okay that you can't give your normal, like 100% to this thing that you could before, and you'll eventually get back to their or strike your new balance or whatever it is. So that feels hard right now. Stuck. Where do I feel stuck. Um, I think with the place where I'm losing, I sometimes feel stuck figuring out how to find my new balance. So I would say, like losing and stuck her kind of together and then where I'm feeling inspired, definitely in work. Right now, I feel super super inspired, sharing and writing and connecting with women, like especially around the message of movement. Right now, let's just feeling really fun and exciting. So works feeling very inspiring to me right

spk_1:   2:58
now. That's so funny, because those are the two big topics that I want to talk to you about movement, your movement, Siri's and then motherhood and what it's like to now have two kids. So perfect Segway. Glad that it worked out. Let's start by having you share what is going on with your work right now in terms of the movement. Siri's and then what's in store for the future?

spk_0:   3:23
Totally so. For many years I've got this business, and it's been very focused on intuitive eating and helping women kill their relationships with food and body image, and ah, thing that comes up over and over again when I'm working with clients is movement and how movement fits into that. And for anyone who doesn't know a lot about intuitive eating, one of the principles is around joyful movement. And obviously, when we're talking about body image and healing, our relationships with body movement is something that's gonna come up a lot in that. But for all of these years, I've really focused on talking mostly about food. And about a year ago I had this idea of bringing more of a conversation around movement because it is something that is coming up so much behind, like the closed doors of client sessions. And so I know that it's something that women are experiencing and struggling with. And for me, in my own like personal journey, exercise was a way that I really like, abused my body and tried to manipulate it and tried to fix it for so long. And I had such an unhealthy, disordered relationship with movement for so long and then ultimately feel that. So I know from

spk_1:   4:39
personal experience what a big part of the puzzle it is.

spk_0:   4:42
I know from hearing clients share like what a big part of the puzzle it is, and I do believe that movement is such an awesome way that we can take care of ourselves and such a great component to our self care tool box and so creating a healthy relationship with it so important. And so I decided about a year ago that it was something that I wanted to talk about more and support women more like openly around. Um, and it's such a big part of the way that I connect with my body and that I take care of myself. And so I just felt really enthusiastic about doing that and talking about that and sharing about that more and creating things that would support women with that. And I taught bar for a number of years at a studio in German Village Studio B, and it brought me so much joy, like taking classes there brought me so much joy teaching classes, they're brought me so much joy. My mentor and my teacher, Nancy Cushman Brown, has been, like so instrumental in helping me heal my relationship with movement and Bar has been such a big part of that that win the studio closed like about two years ago, I really felt like it felt like there was a missing piece of my personal puzzle, Thio, like missing, teaching and encouraging women in that way and then also missing taking classes. And so all of these things kind of happened back to back to back while simultaneously. I was pregnant with my second kid and then had my second kid and was trying to figure out like How the hack can my love for movement fit in with all of these things, like going on in my in my life? And so it was this perfect storm of things that inspired me to create a free seven day movement mindset. Siri's about cultivating a healthy mind, set around movements so that we can create a healthy relationship with it because I really am such a firm believer that our mindset is where it all starts, Um, and then also that I would. It inspired the creation of unmeasured, my virtual online bar membership that is very informed by intuitive eating and health every size. And so I'm just feeling so excited about all of it, and how it just like organically, came from these different experiences that built upon one another.

spk_1:   7:17
Absolutely, and it fits so well into what you're already doing. It's literally a perfect puzzle

spk_0:   7:22
piece. Yeah, it feels like that in my heart, and I haven't been I don't know if you can relate to this by, like,

spk_1:   7:29
when you

spk_0:   7:30
start your own business, when you start something there, so much excitement behind it and so much enthusiasm, and it

spk_1:   7:37
really is like having a baby, like creating a

spk_0:   7:39
business like having a baby. And it's such a blissful, exciting thing.

spk_1:   7:44
And then when you do

spk_0:   7:45
it for a number of years, it's like, Yes, you can love it and you could be passionate about it. But not every day is filled with excitement and you have to learn howto evolve and you have to learn how to change

spk_1:   8:02
things and move through all of that. And that's something I wasn't

spk_0:   8:06
prepared for when I started my business. Like seven years ago, I was not prepared for that excitement toe wear off and to really have to do like the deep work in entrepreneurship. Um, and I it just feels so good to have something that I'm feeling so enthusiastic and excited about, and I haven't I haven't been this just like lit up about something since I started my business so many years ago. So that's, like, really fun tohave After all of these years of doing this,

spk_1:   8:36
I'm so happy for you. Thank you. Let's talk more about the seven day movement mindset Siri's that you're doing right now. Can you share what that is and go into detail of what goes on every day?

spk_0:   8:49
Yeah, absolutely. So each morning there is an E mail delivered into your inbox, and it contains a mindset shift, a reframe or an intention. Help you cultivate a more joy filled, an intuitive relationship with and what we talk about in the syriza's how our mind set, um, effects our feelings and our feelings affect our behavior. So by really creating this healthy way of thinking about movement that is flexible and is joy focused and leaves lots of room for rest and just tuning into your body and honoring what your body needs in this season of your life that were then able to feel differently about ourselves and about movement, and then that impacts the way that we engage in movement and our behaviors around it, so that they really honor our bodies rather than trying to manipulate our bodies, air controller bodies or punish our bodies. Because when movement can be this fun, enjoyable thing that we look forward to and that feels really good to us, it allows us to create a long term relationship with movement that so that we can continue to get all of those amazing benefits from it rather than movement needing to be like this one super specific way. And then that being something that we can't like, continue it,

spk_1:   10:12
What would you say

spk_0:   10:13
is the first step? I believe that the first step in creating a healthy relationship with movement and the health mindset around movement is to really separate out our worth and are enough nous and our identity from how we move or how much we like. We are not defined by movement by the way that we move our bodies. And I know for me personally that was something that I struggled with for years and years and years. I felt like my worth and my enough nous were totally wrapped up in that, and so it was like impossible when I was in that place to have flexibility and to give myself permission to rest and to feel like I wasn't a failure if I didn't do X Y and see because it was so wrapped up in my identity. And so I think stuff one is definitely starting to separate those two things out. Like movement is one awesome way we can take care of ourselves. But it is not who we are.

spk_1:   11:17
Uh, I love that you said permission to rest. Yes. Oh, my gosh. It's so funny because I love looking back at what I was like a year to ago because you don't really realize what your minds that was like until it's been a long time, you can actually reflect on it. But I realized Oh my gosh, I did not rest. I didn't know how to rest, and I didn't think rest was necessary. And I remember I finally got to the point where I was like, what would it look like if I took a day off? If I took two days off like wood, my body change. Nothing changed. And now I literally love my rest days. And it's crazy because two years ago my mind was more so at yoga is rest where It's like to me that wasn't it was still more intense yoga that I was doing, Yes, and And to

spk_0:   12:13
be able to say, like rest really can be full rest like it It doesn't have to be a less intense version of like the exercise that I'm doing

spk_1:   12:24
right, because I also

spk_0:   12:26
have been in that place like when I was when I was really into running, and I think you can 1 million% have a healthy relationship with running. I just did not. So this is not me bashing running. But when I had a very unhealthy relationship with running to me, I was also like, Oh, yoga is is, is rest or yoga is a rest day and it's like, actually like you can really, really rest And yoga is a form of movement and walking is a form of movement, and all of these things are forms of movement. And in the mindset Siris, we talk about letting go of the rules around movement, and what I mean by that is what you think counts or what you think is enough and starting to strip those things away. And when we do, everything gets to count, and that means that you get to really see rest for what it is. And I also think something that you mentioned that is so important is about the body changes. And I think people are really afraid Thio work out in less intense ways or to give themselves permission to rest because they're so worried about the body changes. And so when we can really shift from seeing movement as a way that we control the way that our body looks and can really shift into connecting with how it makes us feel, then we can say like my body may or may not change, but I'm choosing toe honor her with movement rather than trying to control her with exercise. And that, like, opens us up to so many possibilities. It's

spk_1:   14:10
the loans of curiosity. Yes, I remember you talking about that with intuitive eating when you didn't eat any carbs and you were like What would it look like if I ate a burger today? Yes, and looking through it with the lens of curiosity, that's the exact same thing that you're talking about with movement, which I love totally

spk_0:   14:31
and really like. With that shifting from punishing yourself from not for not being enough. Two. Coming from a place of I already am enough which we can on Lee get to that place where we can separate out like who we are from how we move. But if I'm coming from a place of I already am enough, then I can be curious. It's like what would feel good? What does my body need today like is movement what my body needs and if not like how can I honor her with rest? Or if she is needing to move like how is she needing to move? Do I want something that's more intense? Do I want something that's really gentle? Do I want fresh air? Do I want to be like in a social situation? Do I want to be alone? And then, of course, layering on top of that curiosity around your life like what does my life allow for today, and how can I honor both? My body and this season of my life with movement were rest today, absolutely.

spk_1:   15:27
When a client comes to you and is both having challenges with eating and also movement, do you have them focus on one area first, and if so, which one.

spk_0:   15:41
So it completely depends on the specific client. Um, typically, we will, I would say. Typically, clients who are struggling both with movement and food feel like food is more of a pressing issue. That's typically what I see. Okay, So if a client comes to me with both, we usually focus on what feels the most like hard for them in that moment. And, of course, making sure that they are eating enough and getting what their body needs is typically like first thing. Most important, um, but it's usually not long before we start to see, like what, in my mind, I call like I think of as a spider web where it's like nothing is happening in a vacuum. Nothing is happening on its own. And so usually a conversation about food will lead in thio how their relationship with food is inter related to their relationship, and so we'll start to see that they're using exercise to, like, make up for what they eat or two like dressed if I like eating certain things, or that they have all or nothing black and white thinking around food and movement. And so if they feel in quotes like they did a good job, um, with food, then they they are quote unquote good with movement. And if they feel like they've done one thing that is that is bad, then they, like, throw in the towel for the day. And so there's a lot. Usually of that all or nothing mindset going on, and food and movement often be. Canal did there, um, usually with clients who are experiencing, like restrictive behaviors around food. A lot of times we see that they also have the restrictive, punishing behaviors around movement. So we will talk first about what the client feels is most important. But it's typically not too far in that we start to see how interrelated those things are.

spk_1:   17:52
Absolutely. You talk to your clients once a week. It's every other week, every other week. We have coaching sessions every other week by

spk_0:   18:00
we interact like a lot in email in between. So yes, every week, but not in like a like a specific coaching session.

spk_1:   18:07
Got it? What are some other practices that you have them? D'oh! In between sessions around

spk_0:   18:14
movement. Yeah, something that I love to do with clients if they're in a place where movement is appropriate. So I do occasionally have a client who needs to take, like an extended intentional rest completely for movement. And so if that was not the case, and we were just looking to cultivate a healthier relationship with movement, something that I love to do with science is to create a movement than you, where it starts to help them to see all different kinds of movement as enough and starts toe open up their expectations and the possibilities for them. And so on. The movement menu will drop down like all of the different options, right? So it might be like a walk around the park. Or it might be a class that they enjoy, like a bar class or hit class or cycling classic. If they're into group fitness classes, it might be something that they stream at home. Um, it might be like some gentle yoga that they watch on YouTube, and then always rest is on the menu, and so then each day they get to look at their menu and essentially order off of it based on what they're craving. So checking in with their body and saying, like, What are you craving today? What do you need? Here are all options and it really it really helps to get away from that idea that there's only, you know, a specific way to move or like rules that I hear come up a lot with clients or that it has to be a specific amount of time. Or that they have to burn a specific number of calories or that their heart rate needs to get to a certain place, or that they need to sweat like those are all things that come up a lot with Ryan's and so to start, to move away from a meeting toe, look a really specific way, and that they need to check all of these boxes or it doesn't count to say like

spk_1:   20:06
movement is movement,

spk_0:   20:07
like all of these forms of movement, including rest, give us incredible benefits. And so how can we start to just, like appreciate all of these different forms and choose based on what your body is needing and what your life allows for today, rather than feeling pressured in to you having movement look specifically So I love doing.

spk_1:   20:29
And I love that name. I think it's like, so fun because you just open your like You like, open your menu at a restaurant and you get to, like, picking Choose based on what's feeling, really that dear, what you're craving, so Oh, my gosh, that is so good. I would love you to write a block post on that ice. Literally. Perfect. If I don't, if I have one, I'll send it to you. I feel like I might have written one, and

spk_0:   20:50
I'll send it to you. And if not,

spk_1:   20:51
I will definitely. Right? Yeah. Okay. Awesome. How is your relationship with movement evolved in the past year? Oh, my gosh. I feel so passionate about talking about this right now because my life has just I don't know. I said, that's my mom. I'm like, Is this just adulthood, like his life, just always changing and like, things are always happening. And there's, like, so many challenges

spk_0:   21:19
and you just have to be, like, so flexible and adaptable. And she confirmed for me that that

spk_1:   21:23
is, in fact, life as an adult and that this is like, not gonna end because I think for a

spk_0:   21:28
while I was like, This is just a year

spk_1:   21:30
when this year's over like it's gonna

spk_0:   21:32
be like smooth sailing. And so now I have wrap my mind around the back of this life

spk_1:   21:37
and it's just a doll hood. But the last couple

spk_0:   21:40
years, like so many things have happened in so many things have changed that for me. My relationship with movement has had to be really flexible and adaptable so that I'm able to honor my body with movement in all of these different like faces. So in the last year I have gone from being super sick and pregnant, Um, Teoh having a new baby. So then I had, like, recovery and healing in my postpartum phase two, getting slowly back into moving my body to now finding like, what does movement look like for me as a mom of two who's also an entrepreneur who is like, tight on time by myself? I don't have a lot of time buying myself

spk_1:   22:34
an a wife and a wife and a friend like trying to d'oh

spk_0:   22:38
all of those things, and so and everybody like, has a lot on their plate, right, Like we're all wearing a ton of different hats. We're all having to navigate that. So for me right now, movement needs to be something that I can do it whenever I have the time. So it's got to be flexible. It has to be something that I can say like

spk_1:   23:04
Oh my gosh, like I randomly have these 25 minutes

spk_0:   23:09
and I want to do something like right now I need to be able to, like, squeeze it in during this time right now at home, like, Wow, one kid's napping and the other ones, like happy in her bouncer or oh sh like is up for doing something with me and so I can do it now. So I've been doing a lot of at Home Bar and for like, shorter periods of times, like not a full 60 minutes with something like shorter, like 40 minutes or 20 minutes where I can do it at home. And that's been feeling great because it's something that I can d'oh whether I'm by myself or with the kids like can incorporate them with me. Um, yeah, Z, my six month old loves to like lay on the mat while I'm like doing bar And so I was like, Do push ups and, like, give her kisses in between, like, things like that, um, And then also things that I can do. Look with them. So walking at the park, we have this really big hill actually park by our house. And so a lot of times we call it the Running Hill because, oh, she loves to run up and down it. So I'll just, like, join him and play with us, and we pretend like we're dinosaurs and run up and down the hill. So for me, right now, movement is very in the moment when I can make it when I can make it work and essentially like that where we don't have to carve out a large trunk of time to, like, get somewhere and it is at a specific time, and then I have to get back home. So that's what's working for me right now. Um, and then also occasionally, like scheduling a class to go do like Reformer Platt is Are you good or yoga class? And that's usually like with friends.

spk_1:   24:48
Where do you do Pilates? I love the butcher shop. Oh my gosh. I want to go fun, Okay.

spk_0:   24:54
And then for yoga. I love the space.

spk_1:   24:58
I'm actually interviewing her today. Oh, your interview. Jack started so

spk_0:   25:03
fun. I excited Love the style of yoga that they do there.

spk_1:   25:07
Is it called a tone? Yes. That's what I'm interviewing hereabouts. I'm like, I don't know anything about this, but I loved it when I went to her. Clash is an incredible instructor, so very curious. Learn more. It's so it

spk_0:   25:19
cool and different. And I feel like I always for me right now I am, like, so sleep deprived from having a little baby that I cannot do any kind of movement that drains energy for me if I'm not gonna feel more energized after I do it that I'm not gonna do it. So when I walk out of one of her Katonah classes, I feel like I have more energy than when I walked in and same goes for, like, all the other things that I shared So, like I am like, right now, I could not do like a spin class or hit class because that would dress like, drain my energy too much like right now in this season and so sharing that so that people know, like in different times in your life, like your body is gonna have different demands. Not like taking you away from it like it should be something that allows you to show uYour life is gonna be demanding different things of you and movement needs in my mind, like needs to be supportive of you and of your life. p carefully in your life. Not that steals you away from from what you're doing and what you have going on. I

spk_1:   26:32
love that you said that so true in terms of tracking, I don't like to use that word, but I'm curious your thoughts on this Do you journal or reflect on what you did that day? What you did that week. Is there any sort of reflection component?

spk_0:   26:50
So, for me, I reflect more like in the moment on how movement made me feel how it made me feel. Like I check in with how my feeling after that so that I can assess and make, like, empower decisions moving forward. So like I shared, I know right now for me that, like cycling, is not like doing a spin class or doing hip class is not best for me in this moment because I checked in with how it made me feel, and it didn't make me feel great right now. And so I always like to reflect on how it feels in the moment when I'm doing it and how I feel after so that. Then the next time that I want to move, I can ask myself like, How do I want to feel? And I can kind of look back into that information that I've gathered for my own personal lived experience and I could make an informed, empowered choice. I don't really write down anywhere like what I what I've done for me with my past, of being like, very obsessive about scheduling, exercise in needing exercise, to look a certain way that would not feel that would not feel beneficial or healthy. It would I know myself and I would. I think it would start to feel obsessive, and it I would start to go into a place of judging myself if that makes sense. So wasn't good enough. Wasn't enough if I had planned to do three, but I only did two like am I a failure. So for me, other than the occasional actual class that I would schedule, and so obviously it would need to be on the calendar so that I remember

spk_1:   28:38
to be there at that time and get child care.

spk_0:   28:40
And like the logistics of that, it's not helpful for me. Thio two really be like journaling about how many times I worked out or what I did. But it is really helpful for me to be in the moment with myself, to connect with myself and to check in with how something made me feel. Um, and because of that, I would like different weeks look very different. I might have a week where I move like intentionally five times. I might have a week where it's like one, and all of that is okay with me because I know for me that movement is one of the ways that I take care of myself, but not my only way. I value it. I believe in the benefits of it. Um, and I also know that it's going to look different in my life, day to day, week to week, and I have made total peace with So it helps me personally not to not to track it. How

spk_1:   29:48
do you feel? It's funny because I used to be that way because more so because I love spontaneous decisions. And I'm like, I don't want to decide when I'm doing for the entire week because I want to decide what I feel like that day. Do we want to go to yoga? Do I want to run? Do I want a lift weights? But now I actually do, I would say journal on it and more so because for me, number one I want to make sure that I'm resting enough. Yes, And number two, A big thing that I'm working on right now is my shoulder. And for me, I am so anal. I need to, like, write down that I did it. Yes, or I'm going to forget. So I like little bubbles on. Did I do my mobility touches? Yep. Because if I don't, I'm not going to remember that something I'm actively working on Totally. And I like to see two. Like, Did I do too much? Did I do to little? I would say that for me, a big reason that exercise is feeling high energy so similar to you, I barely run. I probably run maybe once every other week sprints if I'm feeling it. But I just want to feel high energy all the time. And I'm finally in a place that I do feel good with for so long. I was like and so exhausted all the time. Yes, and that such it I feel like that's

spk_0:   31:12
such an important message for people to hear that you feel better and you have higher energy. Now that you've started t really intentional about resting.

spk_1:   31:25
Absolutely. Yeah, And I know exactly what I'm doing. So I'm like, Okay, this week, this is what I did. And this is why I feel high energy s or the opposite could be true. And then I can adjust something.

spk_0:   31:36
Absolutely. And what I would say with that is that when I am trying to be really intentional about incorporating something, it is important for me to do like intentional check ins with and to say like these were These are my goals this week. These are the things that I'm trying to work on, and I absolutely, like, write those down and track in with them and I think right now for me, movement is it's not. I don't want to say it's not something that I'm intentional about, but it's something that it feels like a natural part of my life. And I've kind of like that's feeling like an easy part of my life right now and because I'm not doing like physical therapy for anything and because I don't have really any goals around movement other than to just continue tohave like a healthy, flexible relationship with it that it's not something that I keep like on the front of my mind. If that makes sense, absolutely. But if I all of a sudden and feeling like, Oh, I am really low on energy or him like stiff in my body, I think that's that's something that will come up for me a lot because, like with nursing, I'm hunched over a lot and working at my

spk_1:   32:57
computer like I literally, um, just like hunched forward, essentially like most of the day, Ray

spk_0:   33:02
between like nursing and carrying kids and being on my computer. That's a lot of my day and so I'll start to notice, like if I haven't moved in a couple of days and I start to feel really stiff. It will be a signal to me like, Oh, I want to find a way to do ti do something today to go to the park with the kids. Thio do like a bar class to do something to help my body feel like it can open up again for sure.

spk_1:   33:32
And like you said, you incorporate it into your lifestyle. And I think that is the biggest thing. Because even for me, as I'm talking about this, I started physical therapy literally two weeks ago. But even with drinking water like I used to have to track drinking water and the sounds crazy exits like that, shouldn't this be like a natural thing that you D'oh! No, I was not drink any water. Finally, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna by analogy to make sure that I drink at least three. If not four of these And I had a track it in the beginning because I wouldn't do it totally now it's natural part. I don't even need to think about it anymore. Totally in. I mean, I that was true for me. Like with intuitive eating in the beginning

spk_0:   34:16
Like now, Food is such a background part of my life. Like I do not need to be thinking about like am I Am I eating every couple of hours? And by honoring my hunger am I Do I have things available like that is a natural built in part of my life Because I was so intentional about it for years until I got that place. And so I think it is. It is so important to note that like, as you are trying Thio create just these, like subconscious habits that they do have to be conscious things that you're intentional about. Like with the movement menu, taking it out every day, asking your body what she needs, Like tuning into that. That is something that I feel like happens subconsciously for me now on Lee, because it happened consciously first.

spk_1:   35:06
Absolutely. Can you talk about a time that you didn't listen to your body recently and what that looked like? Oh, yeah, I totally talked about that. Um,

spk_0:   35:20
a time when I did not listen to my body recently. Well, it's so interesting because I actually feel like I have this ongoing thing that I'm not really listening to like I mentioned the sleep deprivation. Right? Um I am probably getting up, like around five times every night with she. The

spk_1:   35:42
thing is like, I want to say

spk_0:   35:43
she's not a good sleeper, but I also have to take total ownership over the fact that I just like it's our last baby. And I am not ready to move her out of the out of a bassinet in our room into her own room and tow like, Do you like sleep training like to get her to sleep through the night? Because I just know these are my last moments of, like, having a little baby in our room, and so I'm like, savoring it. And I'm like letting her comfort nurse during the night rather than like helping her learn how

spk_1:   36:15
to sleep. So I am 100% like

spk_0:   36:18
taking ownership over the fact that I'm, like, facilitating this situation. But at the same time, my body is telling me like you are so tired you need sleep. Um, and I'm and like, not really I'm not really doing anything to make that happen because I'm just not ready to dio what I need to do to make that happen. Um, And so sometimes we know that we need to make a change, and we're not quite ready to make that change for one reason or another. And so I just share that to say that I think awareness is like, the first step to making a change and like tuning in with that and that we can be compassionate with ourselves and patient with ourselves in the process. Um, and we're not always there. I know. I will get there because I got there with OSHA. Like, I had a point where I was like, I can't do this anymore. It's time. And I know I'll get there. I'm just not there yet, so absolutely, like, sharing very openly and honestly that I can tell my body needs more sleep. And I know that that's something that she's asking for. And I'm just not ready to do what it takes to get a

spk_1:   37:32
story. Oh, my gosh. This is a great transition into mother, huh? Oh, my gosh. We haven't really talked about this on the podcast. Yes, So I have lots of questions. And you're the perfect mother to interview just because you're so inspiring and I feel like you do do so much. And I'm just very curious on how you do it all. But I'm curious because you said that this is your last baby. Did you guys always know that you wanted to

spk_0:   37:59
know? Well, I didn't know. I think my husband always wanted like he always had in his mind. That, too, was like his ideal number. Um, I did not have an ideal number, I say all the time. Like if I had married someone who didn't want kids, I actually would have been totally fine. Like with that, I did not know

spk_1:   38:18
a related No thinking

spk_0:   38:20
like I wanted to be a mom like that was not. That was not something that I had, like, a lot of clarity around. And I think I could have gone like either way and been happy with that, said, I'm like,

spk_1:   38:32
obsessed with it now. And it's so it's so weird how

spk_0:   38:36
we can surprise ourselves. Um, I'm like it is the Milik favorite part of my life, and I just like a door. My kids and I love being a mom, and that tip is like so

spk_1:   38:51
sounds all, but that's, like, really surprising for me. It is crazy. It was, like,

spk_0:   38:55
a shocking thing to have happened to have this baby, like, three and 1/2 years ago when I had ocean and just, like, fall madly in love with him that really, like, took me by surprise. Um, so Tim always thought Thio we both come from two. Okay, um, I was really sick. Both of my pregnancies the whole time. Like nauseous and throwing up every single day, All nine months, both times. So when I was pregnant with OSHA, I was, like, one and done like, I can't do this again. Um, but then we got to a place

spk_1:   39:29
where I was like, Oh, you like he needs a sibling. Like we got to do this again and you get far enough away from it that you forget how, like, how

spk_0:   39:37
it felt. And so then we got pregnant with jazzy, and, um, I was sick again,

spk_1:   39:44
and I was like, Oh, my gosh, I forgot how awful this is. We're definitely done after this. So yeah, that's kind of how we I think Tim was like I knew all along we would have to, but I

spk_0:   39:54
didn't have that same clarity. And then when she was born and we were at the hospital, I just had this feeling

spk_1:   40:01
of like our whole family's here, like it's just a CZ. It's meant to be in like everyone. Everyone's

spk_0:   40:07
here who's supposed to be here. And so I felt like in that moment I had that, like, emotional closure of like the whole gang's here.

spk_1:   40:18
That's while so I can literally see you having, like five Honestly, maybe Wonder Woman. Honestly, I do not know about that. So both pregnancies were pretty awful. It seems like, Yes, I love it when

spk_0:   40:36
women tell me that they have these really like beautiful, glowing, positive pregnancies. Those stories make me so happy that those were not my stories. I love hearing when people have, like, like, easy, lovely pregnancies. I did not. I didn't. I I did not enjoy being pregnant so hard. Um, but so worth it.

spk_1:   40:54
Absolutely. Yes. We're both pretty much the same. Or did you notice any difference? None identical. So you probably I was gonna be a boy. Yeah. I mean, I will Originally when I was pregnant

spk_0:   41:05
with everyone said Until we found out the gender. Everyone's like You're definitely having a girl. People are so sick with girls. And then he was. We found out he was a boy. And then when I got pregnant the second time, and it was like identical people were like, You're definitely having another boy. And then I was a

spk_1:   41:19
girl. Oh, my God. So,

spk_0:   41:23
so surprising. But yeah, they were like, identical pregnancies.

spk_1:   41:27
Wow. Okay, let's talk about balance and how you try to balance at least all the rules that you d'oh like. Do you have any routines that have helped you? Oh, my gosh, we're trying. I got to a

spk_0:   41:42
place before Yasmina was born, where we were in, like, we were really in our rhythm with the ocean. And I felt like I would get up before him in the morning. And I would have liked that time to myself, and then he would go to bed at night and him and I would have that time together. And it felt like we were really hitting like our stride. Um, and then we had this second baby, and we have it quite

spk_1:   42:11
hit. This is stride yet.

spk_0:   42:14
Um, but what I have found to help me in this, like Berry beautifully chaotic season because like it is chaotic. But also it's so wonderful. So it's like I don't wanna talk about it like it's negative, but it is hard, but it's also beautiful. I don't know. It's like all of the feelings at once. Um, is to really try toe on Lee do one thing at a time, so I'm not perfect at this, and I never will be it. But if I'm having time with my kids, I try to, like, keep my phone like away and not looking at my phone, and I keep it on silent. If I'm doing work, I try to be really, really present with work. If I am with a friend like, I try to be really present with her. If I'm with Tim like we're trying to figure out how to carve out like our together, time like even just like making eye contact and like really being there with whatever it is that I'm trying to be with and that has eliminated feelings of not eliminated, lessened feelings overwhelm Mom to just say like I can do one thing at a time because what I've found is what I'm trying to multitask is when I just feel like I'm being split in half like it's so overwhelming. I start to feel stressed. So I've just tried to go slowly and do one thing at a time, Um and then just say like everything else can wait. And that sometimes means that like

spk_1:   43:49
the laundry doesn't get done or a house is

spk_0:   43:51
a mess or I have 15 text messages that I need to reply Thio. But I just remind myself like it's okay to do one thing at a time, and right now that's what's helping. And then I think down the line, like when Yasmin is sleeping through the night and she has a bedtime, like, we'll get back to our rhythm of like, This is my time with Tim at nighttime and like I can wake up early. But right now, like I'm so tired that I can't wake up like earlier when I would like to, because I'm like, so exhausted and so it's just this season of having like a ton of grace for myself, practicing a lot of compassion, being flexible, being adaptable, being grateful for all those

spk_1:   44:35
skills that I developed

spk_0:   44:37
and just remembering like this is a season, it will not last forever. Although she does seem to be a night out.

spk_1:   44:43
I when you post that I die laughing, I wake and doesn't she, like, barely naps? She's like a week so late. And I'm like, Why are you still awake? Childlike t o So who knows? Like, maybe she I mean oh, she goes to bed at seven. Like maybe she'll be upto like, 11 p.m. every night. Who knows? Stop that. I just have to see Serious time will tell.

spk_0:   45:11
Yeah, but I Yeah. I mean, like, I don't really have, like, many routines in my life right now, but I am consistently practicing grace and compassion for myself. And so I think, like I love routines, I look forward to a time where I can get back to having them. I just haven't really figured out how to have them right now, So I'm just doing trying to do one thing at a time and being really gentle with myself,

spk_1:   45:39
huh? What do you do in your tire? Do you nap? Do you have more coffee or caffeine? Do you just embrace it?

spk_0:   45:47
Yeah. So I love coffee. I have a cup of coffee every morning when I wake up Usually a second cup a day like in the later morning. I don't really nap right now because of needing thio. Run my business with these two little kids, like usually naptime is if they're both sleeping. I'm getting work done. Um, but the good thing is that my work energizes me. And so I do get energy from that, um, fresh air helps. Water helps. Um, trying thio be as gentle with myself as I can. Helps not doing anything that's like too high intensity or that drains my energy on top of already being tired. Um, and I shared this in letting go of Leo. But when I was pregnant with OSHA, our doula said, like, don't pray for him to sleep through the night, pray to find joy in the nighttime feedings. And though I come back at all the time and I just tried to think about Lake do not have unreasonable expectations for this season in life. Like I actually think for me right now, it's an unreasonable expectation to be super rusted and to be getting amazing sleep. So instead I try to dressed fine, like little moments of gratitude for this season of being, like a little bit more tired because it really is, like, so special. And like I said, like getting up in the middle of the night with him, just

spk_1:   47:21
like I think I'm gonna just like you with the last time I get to do this. And so

spk_0:   47:28
that that helps me a lot and trying to just be clear on what are my priorities. And what am I saying? You asked to and really giving myself permission to say no. Like all of the rest. Um, And to say, like, this is an awesome opportunity. This is something that I would be excited about, but maybe in a year Yeah, yeah.

spk_1:   47:51
Has your business change? Now that you have two kids,

spk_0:   47:54
my business has it changed? I, uh, no. And yes, I took a maternity leave this time, which I didn't really do with OSHA. I took three months off was awesome. Amazing. That was so wonderful. But I was able to do that just because I'm, like, further along in my business now with oh sh like I didn't I wasn't able to prepare. Um, and I am now, like working, getting ready to launch this new bar membership. And so that's gonna be like a brand new thing that I I'm hoping will change the way that I do my business a little bit moving forward. Um, one thing that I do have to do now that I didn't have to dio like in the last two years of my business is I have to carve out time to, like, nurse during the day now, So my schedule has to be, like, more offered. So that's something that's like, a little bit different now. But again, it's received. And like when that's done, I'll go back to that. And about that,

spk_1:   48:57
Yeah, this true? Yes. Do you feel like you want to eventually have less clients or I'm curious about your I don't wanna say work life balance, but what your schedule looks like during the day because honestly, you really do inspire me, and I can see Well, I hope that I can see myself in you eventually, you know, like I want to be able to still run charge. I want to also be a mom like I want to be with my kids and I want to figure out what does that actually look like is I really don't know many other people that are actually doing what you d'oh

spk_0:   49:34
Yeah, I will number one. I think it's absolutely possible to to have a career that you love and to love being a mom and love spending time with your kids. And I also think that it's one of those things where it is like, always changing, and there's like, always, sacrifices. So any time I'm doing work, it's like I'm sacrificing time with my kids. Anytime I'm with my kids, I'm sacrificing things like I could be doing for my business. But I have just really leaned into the fact that both of those things are important to me, and so I want to do the best I can, doing both of those things rather than like him comparing myself to like someone else or feeling like I need toe be doing like 100% of one of them. So I would say it's absolutely possible for me it I have pull back on the number of private clients that I take, but that's happened over the last two years because I was getting to a place where I had so many private clients that I was starting to feel a little bit like drained at the end of the day and, like I didn't have the energy to have conversations with the people in my personal life. After talking to clients all day, I was like, I don't want to talk to anyone else And that's not how I want to feel about my family,

spk_1:   51:08
right for my friends right later on. And so

spk_0:   51:11
I had to really take inventory of that and shift things around in my business, And that happened about two years ago where I pulled back on the number of private clients that I was taking. I created route program and now created this membership, and so for me, like because it's really dressed me. In my business, things take a little bit of time to change, because as I pull back on one thing, I have to create something else to, like fill in that income gap, and it takes time for me to, like, created and laundry and get it off the ground and like growing into something that's, like, fruitful for my business. Um, so it was not an overnight change, but it was something that I felt that felt off and out of alignment for me and was like, This is something that you need to start working on so that, like a year from now, your future self doesn't have to feel this way. And so I have pulled back on the number of private finds that I've taken over the last couple of years and created these other parts of my business. And I love private coaching, and I don't at least right now. It's not something that I ever want to not have. But I also can't do it at the at the level that I was doing before and still feel like I'm showing up as the wife and the mom in the friend that I want to show up. As and for me, I would rather make sacrifices. I would rather make financial sacrifices and live like a little bit different and make a little bit less money and be able to feel like present in my relationships than the alternative. And everybody has to make those decisions, like for themselves and see, like, what feels right for them. But I am such a relationship person that when my personal relationships feel off, that's like my number one priority to want to shift things to get those back to a place where they feel really connected.

spk_1:   53:08
Oh, sh is now in school. Does he go to the half day or full day? He goes to a

spk_0:   53:12
half day, three days a week,

spk_1:   53:14
only three days. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so I guess you're still going through this. What does it look like when you're working at home? And then he's also home.

spk_0:   53:23
So we have a nanny who's been with us since I was four weeks. Wow, that times that she's so wonderful. She's literally, like, part of our family. She's incredible. So right now she is with us at our house. She is with us from 9 to 3 Monday through Thursday, and she so I scheduled client calls during that time. I do work do it during that time. Um and I'm in my home office. So, like, if I don't have a client schedule during preschool pickup, I go and pick him up and bring him home. If I don't have a client scheduled when it's lunch time, I go out and I sit and I eat lunch with them. I scheduled things around like nursing schedule. So, like I'm going out there and, like nursing Yazzie. So it's not like during those hours I'm, like, completely separate. But during those hours, I know that I can, like, schedule the things that I need to schedule. And when those air on my calendar, I'm like doing work.

spk_1:   54:20
God, did you have any moments that made you rethink? Oh, maybe I shouldn't have a nanny liked it. Oh, sh go to the nanny instead of you. Like anything like that that made you shift your behavior in balancing both. Being a mom and working.

spk_0:   54:37
I have not had a moment where I have questions like whether that was the right choice. Rest. I feel like it's always been the right choice. There have definitely been. They're definitely hard moments, like transitions with little kids are hard and so like if she comes and I have to go toe work like he can get upset sometimes and it's like Mommy, I don't want you to go to work like I want you to stay even if I'm just walking like three feet down the hallway. That is so hard. It's like hard every single day. It's hard if I can hear ya z crying and I'm on a client call and I'm like, I just want to go to her and be with her and hold her and like, make this okay. Um, like moments like that are really challenging. And I would say Those are the things that make working from home The hardest is that I feel like I technically could do something, but also like, can't time. And so that is hard by also knowing that they're with someone who loves them so much and is taking such incredible care of them. And also that this set up means that I get to hug them and kiss them, and sometimes do pick up, nurse and do that stuff during the day. I feel like for our family, it's been the best of the best situation. Um, so yeah, like it's hard, but it's it feels right. What

spk_1:   56:03
about Instagram stories? Talk to me about interest. You are on so much I'm like How is she doing all of this? I'm honestly so impressed, but I'm so curious what your relationship is with Instagram and Instagram story. You were so kind to say that it's true. I have such a

spk_0:   56:23
hot and cold relationship with social media. Like if I did not have my business, I would not have Social media. Same um,

spk_1:   56:30
and so that is like kind of

spk_0:   56:32
hard for me sometimes because so many beautiful good things can come from it like so many connections, relationships like business. Like all there are so many amazing things that come from it. And at the same time, I still feel like it can be such a toxic thing because, like, I always think it's better to be like in real life sent on my phone.

spk_1:   56:57
And so that's like,

spk_0:   56:58
That's tough. So I just really try to make sure that when I'm coming to social media that I'm coming with, like the intention and the purpose to support and encourage and like, poor joy into people's lives and that I'm not using it like unnecessarily, because when I use it unnecessarily, it has like negative impacts on me,

spk_1:   57:20
like give me an example of that, like what would that be like? Using it

spk_0:   57:24
unnecessarily would be just like, going to just, like, constantly be like, constantly relaying like what's going on in my real life in real time, all the time, As if, like, I need to just be like sharing every single thing which I think you can. It can feel like that, Uh, but like, it's not necessary. And so that would be something also just like for me, like mindlessly scrolling and like, consuming tons of content on there like So, Like, really like how much time and spending on there and being like, intentional about if I have downtime and I have time to myself like I've been trying to keep a book with me So I'll pick that up instead, or like a really nice episodes downloaded that, like, I want to listen to you because, like reading a book for listening to a podcast. Those things leave me feeling, and our dries social media can leave me feeling drained. Uh huh. And so I want to make sure that the stuff I'm putting on there is hopefully making people feel like better, or at least like the same as like when they got on rather than drained. And so I try to really think about that before I go on before I go on to, like, post or to share. Do

spk_1:   58:41
you ever take breaks? Or do you feel like you need to post every day? Oh, no,

spk_0:   58:45
I take breaks. That's I definitely take breaks. Like when I'm running a serious like I'm running this week, I will post every day because it's like a thing that I'm being intentional about. But if nothing, it's like I'm not in the middle of a lunch. I probably take look at least two days completely away from social media every day, and I delete the app off my phone every single day.

spk_1:   59:06
What? Yeah, way. When do you do this, like at night? Or when you're I'm done with? The day

spk_0:   59:12
after? I'm done posting that I had to lead it off so I don't track it. And then I don't read outmoded and Tom, like this is intentional, like Instagram time.

spk_1:   59:19
I love that. I

spk_0:   59:20
know it's like a bit extreme, but it's helped me so much.

spk_1:   59:24
Yeah, you gotta do it. It's addicting. Everyone knows it's addicting. I literally hide it on my phone. I have it in some random folder because I actually used to delete it. A long time ago on that did help. But then I would like, Look at it in another way. Totally. Yeah, it's so fun. It's so addictive. It's so addictive and it's It's so I'm so hot and cold with it, too, because obviously there's so much that wouldn't be able to do without it. Totally like it is, really how charge was able to function, especially in the beginning and even now, like with connecting with women from all across the different chapters. But, uh, I want I feel like eventually it will potentially change. I'm serious. I know a lot of people like Don't have them anymore. Yeah, go out of younger kid. Yeah, I I really I mean, it's so hard to

spk_0:   1:0:17
say like that. I hope that it's not a thing like when ocean as they are like older My God, she hasn't so funny. It's like I don't really know what that would mean for my business, like everything comes online via social media like at this point. So it's basically saying like my

spk_1:   1:0:36
parents would be done. But at the same

spk_0:   1:0:38
time, I just feel like for like, the mental healthy of, like, the younger generation like I think it would be a benefit if it was at least last problem. But I don't

spk_1:   1:0:48
know. And then also there's

spk_0:   1:0:49
a flip side where it's like someone might be able to connect with a message that helps them feel seen and heard and supported that maybe they are not getting in their real life. So again, like I know that there are these linking animal benefits to it. But I just think in general, our society, it's so like, addicted to our phones. And I do think it has, like a negative negative impacts on all of us. So I try to be just really, like, really, really intentional about stepping away from it every single day. So it makes me I'm so grateful to hear that it feels like I like share often. But

spk_1:   1:1:33
you d'oh that it feels that way. That's awesome. Yeah, keep up. Keep it up. The last topic I want to dive into is diet cultures. I love to hear from you. What are some not so obvious ways that diet culture appears in our daily life.

spk_0:   1:1:52
Oh, my gosh. Okay, So, first of all, anybody whose leg What is diet culture? I want to hear like more about this. I really think that you should check out Anti Diet by Christi Harrison. It's a book that just came out. It just like, breaks down the history like the roots of diet culture, how it's evolved over time. It's so, so helpful and clarifying. So anybody who's like I don't really like understand I culture what it means. Read anti diet. It's so awesome. Um, insidious ways that it can show up are linked. Thio, I would say the most sneaky way it shows up is like related to help. So saying that, you know, eliminate these foods or do this thing in the name of health is a really, really sneaky way that it can show up. And so when we're talking about, like, wellness culture and, you know, being healthy to really examine, like if those messages are encouraging like restriction or trying to encourage body manipulation, talking about one body tight or size like better than another. Those are all really great ways that you can reflect on like,

spk_1:   1:3:14
is this diet culture in disguise?

spk_0:   1:3:16
Um, that can be really, really helpful.

spk_1:   1:3:20
What are some trends or popular books that you would consider to be a part of diet culture that we should be aware of? It's so interesting because I feel like I'm

spk_0:   1:3:30
very checked out of, like what the books are, which is to me it like exciting because I usedto literally by, like, every single diet book. And I could have told you

spk_1:   1:3:42
like every single Yeah, but now I'm

spk_0:   1:3:46
like, I don't even know. Like what? Like what the books are or what the books would be, But anything that is telling you a specific way t eat. So anything that is giving you rules on how, what? How much win Thio? Eat That's diet, Walter. So anything that is giving you the set of rules and regulations and taking you away from tuning into your body's own cues those air great things, too. Look out for like in in the trends things that are having you like count or portion, or keep track of points like all that stuff. Um, it's taking you away from listening to your how much food your body's asking for when your body's asking for that food. And so those are things that I would say, like across the board, just asked like Is this am I am needing to rely on, like what

spk_1:   1:4:43
this thing is telling me

spk_0:   1:4:44
or it are these messages allowing me to two more into my body's own cues. It's a great way to be curious.

spk_1:   1:4:52
Are there any other leaders in the wellness space that we should follow that are a part of anti diet culture like you?

spk_0:   1:5:01
So definitely I met. I mentioned Christie Harrison and her book. She is just like her book is just so awesome. I can't say it enough. Um,

spk_1:   1:5:10
and I just have to say that like, one of my

spk_0:   1:5:13
favorite accounts right now is healing crayons. It's on, um, on Instagram. She's healing crowns, and she creates all of this like anti diet art. And it's just like such a beautiful, lovely account. It's so inspiring. It's so nice to take in like it's not over stimulating S o. I highly recommend the following healing grants. One of my favorite accounts right now.

spk_1:   1:5:38
Done. Yeah, that sounds amazing. All right, let's end on some rapid fire questions. What is your favorite quality about yourself?

spk_0:   1:5:49
I really love my ability to find humor in almost any situation in the moment. And basically every situation like after the

spk_1:   1:5:59
fat favorite book that you read this year,

spk_0:   1:6:03
Um, probably anti diet documentary Every Charge girl should watch. Oh my gosh, I I'm trying to think of a documentary that I have seen like recently, and I

spk_1:   1:6:18
cannot I know. Can I can I say, like I would encourage you not to watch documentaries

spk_0:   1:6:26
that are like fearmongering about, like a certain way of eating that make you feel like you have to eat a certain way?

spk_1:   1:6:32
Oh, examples.

spk_0:   1:6:34
Examples would be like documentaries that would promote, like being

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key toe. Are game changers. Yes. Yep. And it's not that I'm

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saying there isn't helpful information in there, but I think the way it's presented is like feels very scary and makes people feel like they need to eat a certain

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what's one side? Yes, totally. Can there at least be a documentary that's two sided, like I love to hear about athletes that used to be vegan right? Then they started incorporating, and we'll meet. This is what happened, right? Let's hear both sides. Yes, and this

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is not. This is not like bashing veganism, totally done in a very like thoughtful, intentional, intuitive way. But for me, like I was vegan for many years, I could not get a period until I started eating meat. And so I think it's like it might be great for some people and can be done in a really thoughtful way for other people, like it's not the healthiest choice. And so I would just be wary. Eye

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would be wary of that favorite podcast favorite podcast. Well, it's a right now. It's a parenting podcasts. It's called raising Good Humans. So that's like a podcast that I'm like really listening to me. Oh, and I always just loved tuning into your interviews here in charge. Oh, you're so sweet country. You'd like to visit Australia? 00 haven't been No, I haven't been in It is like so at the top of my list. And then after

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that, Italy, which I also have not been to

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Simi. No, I need to say I need to make both of those things happen. This is selfish question, but What are some Columbus new favorites that we need to know about? Oh, my

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gosh. Well, I mean, speaking off, like, speaking of

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veganism, Woodhouse Vegan. It is so good right here in Fort Greene. Amazing.

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The nachos. The Ogi nachos are incredible on def. They have the chocolate chip cookie. It's, like, out of this world. And they also carry gluten free beer. So, like,

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it's just so, so, so delicious. Wow. So that's an awesome spot. Woodhouse, begin. Is there anything else? Um, have you been to Commune? No, I haven't been there yet. I'm like, naming all these like playing bass places. Commune. What? Happy. And they're, like, also good. Um, and yeah. I mean, like, they're just incredible. And the butcher shop is new ish. Right or no, they're about to open up a new location, but it's been around for a couple years, but it's under new ownership. And, like the new owner is amazing. Okay, Amazing. We'll need to check those. Yes. What is your go to coffee shop? Order my go to coffee shop order is a black coffee or in Americano. Simple. So good. Yes. Favorite dessert. Favorite

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dessert. While definitely something chocolate and definitely something baked. So, like maybe if

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I could have any dessert like could I get a like a double layer yellow cake with chocolate icing on it? Absolute. That's what I would have yellow cake with chocolate icing. Oh, I wish there was a magical bakery that would drop this from the sky. What is a dream that you have that you haven't really talked to people about a dream that I haven't

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have not really talk to people about is well, unmeasured is like a really big dream, this bar movement, membership that is about to come out, that I have not gotten to talk a lot about. And it is like such a dream come true. But my other dream is that Tim and I would build a house like on property, like in the woods, and then it would also have a pool. Then on the other side of the pool, we would have a guest house that my mom would live in. And I'm like imagining the house in the O. C. You

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know, Oh, my God. Not that size like that set up and then we would

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all live like on that property together. And I just, like, have so many dreams of, like moving all of my family to, like, one toe one, like

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a whole face like commune since you. I love that. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Okay, well, it's gonna happen. I hope so. Love attractions. Last question. If you could give your first year out of college self any piece of advice, what would it be if I could give

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my first year out of college self? Any piece of advice it would be that they're really like, is no destination, and it's a constant evolution and journey. And so just to be present with the phase that I'm in right now or that you know, you were in right now, um, to see, like, what are you learning what's coming up for you and where will it take you? Rather than feeling like there's this are off spot that I need to be like racing towards because what I've learned is that every time I thought that there was gonna be some destination to arrive at that, it's not that at all. It's just like a part of the whole journey.

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You are such a beautiful human So are you. I love getting to be together and getting to chat with you. Thank you so much, Sameer. Thank you. Where can girls learn more about you? And also, if you have any other events in Columbus coming

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up on Instagram at Simi Bo Ditch, uh, semi voted shot calm. And I just wrapped up a couple of events and I don't have any of my calendar right now. But whenever they happen like I always share on social media and, um, with my email list, too.

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Perfect. Yes. So we'll definitely link up your email, Liston. And, of course, your bar membership. That will be out when this podcast launch is always so excited. So excited for you. And for that it will be amazing. Highly recommend you guys to check out all that city has to offer. And like I said, you guys better grab her book. And Rita, if you haven't already so good. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And thank you guys for listening. I will talk to you next week. Bye. Charged girls. Good morning. Yes, I'm talking to you. Was time to get charged up because these days I knew This guy says hi Hands blew it And blue with the sun shining and all the birds chirping to two day is the best day to be alive The miracles appear once you open up your eyes Surprise time to keep living the dream So get up Enjoy the rest of your charge Tain.