303. Betsy's Story: Transforming Health with Mindset, Community, and Action

What does it really take to transform your health—inside and out?

In this eye-opening episode, we sit down with Betsy, a resilient Zivli member whose journey is anything but ordinary. From years of struggling with insulin resistance and emotional eating to facing a life-altering breast cancer diagnosis, Betsy shares how she turned her greatest challenges into fuel for personal growth and healing.

Betsy’s transformation didn’t happen overnight—but her story reveals the exact skills, mindset changes, and support that helped her break free from decades of frustration.

This isn’t just another health testimonial—it’s a masterclass in resilience, mindset, and reclaiming your power.

If you're tired of hitting the same wall with your health, this episode might be the breakthrough you didn’t know you needed.

Watch now—and see what's possible when you stop chasing quick fixes and start investing in real transformation.

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Transcript

If your main impetus is weight loss, that's fine, but get healthy from the inside out and the weight loss will come. But not only weight loss, your body is going to be strong and healthy and resilient at a cellular level because of what good you're doing for your body through Morgan's teachings. It's pretty amazing. Hi, I'm Dr. Morgan Nolte, founder of Zivli.

As a geriatric physical therapist, I saw the heartbreaking effects of insulin resistance. At Zivli, our mission is to help you prevent and reverse insulin resistance for long-term weight loss and disease prevention through a low insulin and inflammation lifestyle. Each week on this podcast, you'll learn simple, actionable tips to lose weight, keep it off and get healthy. If you're ready to create a body and life you love, you're in the right place. Let's get started.

Hey there, and welcome back to another episode of the Reshape Your Health podcast. Today is going to be a delight. We have one of our members here, Betsy, and she is going to be sharing her story about just how she found Zivli, her results through the program. And I know a little bit of it, and I'm excited to kind of hear it from, you know, from you, Betsy, and just kind of hear it start to finish. And

Thank you, first of all, for being a member and agreeing to come on and do this, because I know it takes some vulnerability for sure. Well, it does. But I'm excited to share the story with you. And thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to do this and hopefully help somebody else who could maybe be in similar straits and similar experiences. So yeah.

Let's just kind of start with what drew you to Zivli? Like how did you even hear about us? What drew you to join the program? I joined in April of 2022. So it's been more than three years at this point. so I probably started hearing and hearing about Zivli. In fact, it wasn't even called Zivli then. yeah. Yeah. I started seeing some of your Instagram posts about, you know,

insulin about calories, not all calories are created equal and just about, you know, what insulin resistance is, which I had a very, you know, low level understanding of that at the time, but there was something in me saying I need to know about this. So, so yeah, that's and so I probably joined like three or four months after first seeing your, your podcast or your Instagram posts and then listening to a few podcasts as well.

Yeah. So what was your primary motivator for joining and like learning more about insulin resistance? Did you have any like health or weight goals that were top of mind and like, let's start there. Kind of where were you at before? Yeah. So in April of 2022, had just become a grandmother for the first time and was sort of coming down from having had a breast cancer diagnosis in

early 2020. And I had, I had had treatment for that in like three days before the world shut down for COVID. So I was like a year and a half or so into, you know, just getting my life back to normal when I decided to give myself a birthday present and join Zivli. I was, you know, struggling with health, obviously struggling with

So definitely emotional and grief related issues because of my mother having passed away just about, let's see, three years prior. She passed away in April of 19 and she was actually living in our home. I was her caregiver for six months. So yeah, a lot of stress, grief and emotional eating happened after she passed. So.

Who knows if that led to the breast cancer diagnosis, but I kind of learned that there's most likely some kind of connection there. But yeah, so I was just like, Lord, I need to get healthy and not only just lose weight and feel better about how I look, but I need to get healthy from the inside out. And yeah, I really feel like finding Zivli was an answer to my prayers. Yeah.

thank you for saying that, you know, that means a lot to me just as a person of faith, like that's my goal, you know, is I put content out there and hope that it reaches the right people and that resonates. And I'm just so glad that you found me on Instagram. Cause I was very resistant to join Instagram in the first place, but I'm glad that I'm glad that God worked through Instagram. he does that sometimes. He does. all right. So tell me a little bit more about.

your expectations coming in. think this is always so interesting. I would say it was more than what I expected. mean, you really got, you know, I'm a physical therapist, you're a physical therapist. That was the other thing that drew me to the program. I'm like, ooh, a fellow PT. Yes. And, you know, of course, so the science was solid. You know, you had a lot of great research to share with everybody and just, you know,

talking about how do our hormones work? What is insulin? What does it do? And what's the cascade of things that happen in our bodies when we eat, especially when we eat poorly? And then all the brain training that you got into was so fantastic. And that's really what I needed, having some science background, not necessarily a metabolism though, but

health of the musculoskeletal system, certainly I know, but so the brain training, you know, I read Atomic Habits, I think, you know, one and a half times at least. I read Dr. Ben Bickman's book, thanks to you, you know, just so much that I learned as a result of being involved with Zivli and working towards meeting my goals.

That makes me happy. And it's going to be even more than that, you know, because we're bringing in this emotional brain training piece too, because a lot of the brain training stuff in there right now, it hits it a little bit, but it's more at that cognitive level, like the top of the brain. So we're going to be training people to go even deeper inside of themselves to rewire things. And I'm so excited for that. So I kind of had to put that in there as well, that it's getting even better. So I would love to hear a little bit more about how did your habits change?

Like how did your lifestyle change before and after going through zivli and participating in it? Yeah, I think so. My mother passed in April of 19. I spent a good six months on the couch and just, you know, trying to console myself with carbs. You know, not all day long, thankfully, but for sure after dinner, that was sort of like my time to, you know, just just lay on the couch and.

you know, I started thinking like what am I doing to my insulin levels, but I just Like my satiety was was non-existent like and and I started noticing like I was still craving carbs 10 o'clock 10 30 sometimes even 11 o'clock at night It was like Betsy you have got to stop doing this because what was happening was I wasn't sleeping well Because I was so full when I went to bed

Plus, unbeknownst to me, I was smack dab in the midst of menopause. Like, I had my last period in December of 18. Didn't really know it until December of 19. Right? So my mother died in April of 19. So like I was smack dab in the middle of that too, which that's a whole nother hormonal situation going on. So yeah, was just emotional eating had taken over my life, honestly.

And, you know, I was kind of too tired many nights of the week to make a good healthy meal. I mean, I kind of knew what a good healthy meal was. But yeah, my husband was all about like, he could see that I was happier when I was eating carbs. So he was like, yeah, let's go out. And he knows now that he is a food pusher. But he was I think he was just trying to help me whatever way he could. And food was working. So

Let's see, by November of that year, had surpassed my highest weight from 18 years prior when I was pregnant with my third daughter. So I was pretty much convinced that I needed to do something different. And then I got the breast cancer diagnosis soon thereafter. Wow. One thing after the next. It was. It was a tough time. Yes.

But you know, God gives us these health challenges for a reason. As a physical therapist, I have to tell you, every time I have a health challenge, for sure, I'm going to meet somebody, assuming I've gotten through it, which I have gotten through many health challenges, thank the Lord. But yeah, once I get through a health challenge, for sure, I'm going to have a patient who is facing the same exact thing. It's just so uncanny. And then you can relate to them better and connect with them better and be an inspiration and a hope

to them. So yes, we're always looking even though even through the hard stuff, we're looking to okay. All right, God, you know, I know that this will pass and this is hard, but please like give this some purpose to my life here. right for sure. Yeah. I was just gonna circle back to I think you were asking me what my mindset and habit changes were. Yes, I started zivly. You know, not only learning that, yes, I was really

causing trouble to myself through my most likely having insulin resistance. But also because I had just created some, you know, a long laundry list of some pretty bad habits. I've always been more than happy to exercise. I was an athlete all through high school, college. I got into physical therapy because I loved moving. I love sports. loved, you know, all that. So exercising was never

an issue for me and most of my life I could exercise and maintain my weight even through all my pregnancies, even after gaining the pregnancy weight. But yeah, all of a sudden, this season of my life, perimenopause, pretty close up into menopause and then the death of my mother and then the breast cancer, exercise alone was not working anymore. yeah, so changing my habits pretty much involved for me the...

you know, food planning, macro tracking, gosh, that was a lifesaver, learning how to track my macros. And just, was so eye-opening, like, wow, Betsy, you're putting 50 grams of carbs into your, your eating window from after dinner to bedtime. Like that blew my mind. Yeah. I was wondering, I'm like, well, I wonder what she thought when she started tracking the carbs that she was eating after dinner. Yeah.

Yeah, mind blowing. Yeah. And so then I learned the value of intermittent fasting, which honestly I really have continued to do pretty much up until the last few months and meal planning and just having a plan, you know, having a plan and establishing better habits really made a huge difference for my life. Yeah. Did you have the habit like of

Regarding like mindset. Did you have any mindset habits? Because you mentioned like the brain stuff was really interesting to you So before and like after the program did your mindset habits change at all? Temporarily and honestly that's something in getting prepared for this interview. That's something that I realized I've let slip is my my thought processes first thing in the morning and I know you are wonderful to really promote the personal faith formula recital

first thing in the morning. So I've been trying to get back into that because yeah, if you start your day with a slew of negative thoughts, the rest of the day is not going to follow suit very well. So, or it is going to follow suit with all those negative thoughts. Yeah. It's like starting your day on offense versus defense. Like if you wake up and you're like, so another thing from EBT, emotional brain training, they say every day, start your day by asking or by saying, I am creating joy in my life today.

and then listing three ways that you're creating joy in your life. And joy is not this elated happiness that's like fake. It's kind of like integrity, spirituality, authenticity, freedom, like all of these wonderful things that we all wanna feel. How am I creating that in my life today? So I've started adding that too. If you're getting back into a morning mindset routine, that would be a good thought to kind of add to that personal faith formula. Yes, yes. And along with

Adding that back in, I have been good about using a gratitude journal because I find that that really gets my thought processes going in the right direction for sure. And along with my little Bible study that I like to do every morning. Yeah. Have you ever heard of the book, 1000 Gifts by, I think it's Ann Voskamp maybe. I know her. She's an author. I have not read that book, but

It's small. It's good. very small. It's like a challenge to write down a thousand blessings or a thousand things that you're grateful for. And when I was a physical therapy student, the receptionist gave me that book. And I thought that that was such a sweet like parting gift, you know, when you're done with your rotation and like, yay, thanks for coming. And that was what she gave me. So that was a really cool thing. So if anyone's kind of interested in getting that book, it's a really quick read and a fun challenge to

to undertake to try to actually write down 1000 gifts. So in that vein. That sounds really cool. You're a very well read person, Morgan. Has anybody ever said that to you? I've gotten more really great book recommendations from you than probably most people that have impacted my life in the last 10 years. Thank you. I do a lot of audio books anymore, as you know, like when you're a mom, that's kind of my jam.

and we have a lot of drive time as moms. So I've kind of stopped just listening to random radio stations and doing a lot of like audio books or podcasts, much to my children's dismay at times. They're just like, can we just listen to music, mom? And I'm like, no, this is good for you too. You're only five, but I want you to hear about metabolic disorder. Just absorb it. You'll thank me later.

All right, so I would love to hear, like, from your perspective, what was most helpful about the program? Because when I say program, it really encompasses the course, which is great, and then coaching and then the community. And we're really going to be vamping up the coaching and community aspect of the program, especially for this upcoming round of enrollment and beefing up the course with EBT. But I'm kind of curious, from your experience at the time you went through it and kind of up until now, what was your favorite part or what did you find most valuable?

Well, the course for sure and then the just writing out the you know your Goals writing out the goals and Your why I'm just looking through my notebook again Which is a great resource of course actually like I loved it when you asked us to you know Just list all of our like labs and all the all of our numbers and then I was able to go back, you know with

subsequent years to see how things have changed and once I hit the maintenance phase, which honestly I met my goals within six to seven months of starting Zivli, maintenance is a little harder. But so it was really great to be able to go back and see where I've started or where I did start back in April.

of 22 and just kind of see how I'm progressing then. You know, I've had a few little blips on the screen, but, you know, for the most part, I'm right where I want to be. And that's what we want to hear. Like this is, want sustainable results and that comes from like mindset and lifestyle changes. That's it. Like that's, that's the name of the game here. And the person that I interviewed before you, he said, like, I thought I would join and, you know, do a couple things and then.

be able to go back to my old self healthy again. he's like, I quickly realized that was not the case. Well, and you, you do a very good job of, letting people know this is, this isn't just a diet. This is a lifestyle thing that, know, you need to embrace and get as comfortable with as possible. and that was always my, you know, my initial personal faith formal was that

I am living a low insulin and low inflammation lifestyle so that I can prevent breast cancer recurrence. mean, that was really why I was there. And that was my why, because I wanted to be there to play with my new grandson. I now have a second grandson and a third one on the way. So yeah, like I love being able to run with them. Like so many women in my peer group will say, I couldn't run for the life of me or I couldn't jump for the life of me. And

And that's a problem, you know? Yeah, and they can't, they just don't, they don't know it yet. And I totally second that. think, I just want to speak to grandmas really quick. They change lives and they change marriages and they change children. Like I was so close to my grandma growing up. We lived really far away from one of them. But my other one, both of my grandparents shaped my values and my work ethic and my relationships so much.

Yeah, it's, it's so true. You know, when I was looking for a partner, my grandpa always said, you know, marry your best friend. And when you're walking down the aisle, the person you're looking at should be the best person you've ever met. And I was like, well, that's rich coming from you, grandpa. Like, wait, wait a second. Bar really high. Being a mom and understanding the support that my mom and my mother-in-law have given me for my mental health.

for my marriage, for my children. Like my mom this week, this summer, she's trying to do individual play dates with the grandkids. So she took Dawson golfing nine holes and she took Leah to this little forest place where they walked around. Her mother's day this year, the three of us, my mom, mother-in-law and me or I, however you say that, mom, I know you're gonna be correcting me. Mom and I. Thank you. That's your job.

We went for a bike ride, like a 10 mile bike ride. And I just like watched them and I was so grateful for their health and their ability to do that. And I'll watch my mother-in-law play baseball with Dawson and just like you said, run around the yard. And I'm like, I am so grateful for her presence and her health and her vibrancy. And the impact that you can have when you have good health is so much different. And in my opinion, greater.

you know, then then if you can't, first of you got to be there. And then you have to be physically and mentally present and active. And I'm so glad to hear that you told it you shared a win once that's like, weren't you at the pool with your grandkids? And then people walked up and asked if you were their mom? Did that happen? Yeah, yeah, you have a good memory. Yes. Which, I mean, it's so flattering. And, and, but sometimes I'm like, you have like,

You know, is the sun in your eyes? Obviously, I am not my 30 year old daughter. But you know, I think at first people don't expect a grandma to like to have biceps, you know, and to be able to like carry the grandson out of the water without holding on to the railing. And it people's perspectives, of course, are based on their own life experiences. And I also did not have.

grandmothers that could ride a 50 mile bike ride and you know run up and down a hill in the back of the in the yard, you know, so so yes, it's very freeing. It's very Bring it brings me joy. Yeah, and if your kids haven't told you yet, it means a lot to them. Like it means so much to them and it means so much for their kids and you're making generally you're you're making a generational impact on marriages and on on kids so

That's like very important to that. It is an important why. And well, and also just, you know, lot of people my age are starting to think about this, but you don't want to be a burden to your family as you get, you know, to the, have a friend who says the retirement years are the go-go. You start the first third is the go-go phase of retirement. And then the middle third is kind of maybe the slow go.

And then towards the end, you're in the no-go phase. geez. When I get in the no-go phase, I still want to be able to like take care of myself. I want to be able to get up off the toilet by myself, right? And get out of the couch by myself. yeah. As a PT, we both know that's a very important thing to be able to do, just maintain that quality of life and that independence. And I haven't really heard that. I don't that's that's an interest. I hope that we can change the percentages, you know, like

Right or percentage in the go-go and the slow go and then very very minimal in the no-go would be well honestly Morgana I mean I feel like the the impetus now is for people my age to be in the gym lifting weights because of everything we're hearing about how it's good not only for physical but also your brain health so So, you know if that continues, I think you're right. I think the percentages will shift. I hope so Well, I'd love to hear a little bit more. I know

about just your results. You said you met most of your goals within like six to seven months. Can you share just some concrete tangible results that you've had? Yeah, no, I lost 25 pounds within the first six months, which, you know, I'd never would I say, you know, lose all your weight as fast as you can. Never. But, you know, thankfully I didn't have that large of a weight loss goal. So I was able to meet that within six months. All my numbers went down like

know, percent lean body mass went up, which is good. But everything else was going down, including my fasting blood sugar, hemoglobin A1C, my triglycerides went down quite a bit. And even though my LDL went up a little bit, I didn't care about that. We don't care because we teach you about cholesterol and when you shouldn't. My health care provider cared about it, but I told her, guess what?

I'm okay with that. Yeah. Your body's not, your body isn't dumb. Everything else is not going to be going in the right direction. And then all of a sudden this one thing is not in the right direction. Like that's just not how blood work, blood markers work, but most physicians are not properly interpreting the cholesterol stuff. Honestly, that was another really good thing that you put into your course because I mean, yeah, so many people don't get it.

I definitely want to share what's happened to me more recently because this involves my long-term goal. My long-term goal was, my short-term goal was to be cancer-free in a year, which I was, and I was cancer-free the next year and the next year and the next year. And then last December, when I was going in for my fifth year mammogram, I was like, that was the first mammogram I really was not worried about. had other things I was thinking about. I wasn't worried about it at all. And guess what?

they found something. So, you know, I had a biopsy pretty much the week later. It was positive and I was devastated, of course. But, you know, so my my long term goal of being cancer free in five years, I was literally weeks away from meeting that goal. And then it went down the drain. And my gosh, I was just like, what did I do wrong? I thought I was doing everything right.

One thing I didn't do, which may or may not factor in, I'm not sure yet, but I decided not to go on the estrogen blocking medication when I had my first diagnosis. my doctors are saying that's why this came back, but who knows? Only the good Lord knows. But I had cancer again and was devastated.

But as I got through all the tests and I did opt to have a mastectomy the second time around, as I got through that surgery, it became clear that this cancer was not only no worse, it was less worse than my first round. had, thank the Lord, no...

No other signs of any tumors going on anywhere else after I had the MRI, the breast MRI that was, you know, ruled out. after having cat scan and a bone scan, which let me tell you, scan anxiety is a real thing. I found out I had no metastasis anywhere else in my body. Thank the Lord. Then after going through the surgery at which time they, you know, they look at your tumor tumor itself and not just the

the needle biopsy results, because the needle biopsy was saying, it looks similar, it's in the same kind of location as the first one. It's in some ways looking a little bit less concerning, but in other ways, like it was a little bigger, they thought. They thought it was around 1.5 centimeters where my initial tumor had been just under a centimeter big. So, know, caught early, thankfully.

after I had the mastectomy and they actually looked at the tumor itself in the breast tissue, it became clear that it was actually much less concerning. It was actually smaller. It was 0.8 centimeters. So it was smaller than what they initially thought. The tumor makeup was, you know, they do all this wonderful testing on the cell. The tumor makeup was about the same, if not a little bit better.

But the cool story is, so are you familiar with oncotype testing? I've learned way more about breast cancer I ever thought I wanted more to that right now. Yeah, I know. I'm not sure about that. So oncotype testing is basically a really cool test that they use to test the genetic material of a tumor to determine whether or not a patient would benefit from chemotherapy.

Oh, and also during the surgery, no lymph node involvement was found. I didn't have to have radiation. But the Oncotype score was like my last big hurdle to get over. And you don't really know that until a couple of weeks after your surgical procedure. So I had really just like the number 11 had been popping up in my life everywhere.

So in order to not have, in order to not be a chemotherapy candidate, I needed to have a score lower than 25, which is, I believe is correct for my age range. And so was like, gosh, maybe, maybe I'll get an 11. Wouldn't that be great? Like 11 seems like a number that's important in my life right now. So I started praying that my chemo, my oncotype score would be 11. Well, got on the phone with the breast surgeon two weeks after my surgery.

She was like, how you doing? know, she just sort of was talking very nonchalantly. And then the whole time I'm thinking, just tell me my number, just tell me my number. I don't really care about all the rest of this small talk. And so finally she goes, well, your uncle type score. And she almost sounded maybe a little bit disappointed. She goes, your uncle type score is four. Wow. That's what I said. I was like,

So yeah, seven, you know, the perfect number seven in the Bible, seven points less than what I had been praying for. And the breast cancer care coordinator nurse who was like older than me, she's been a nurse for many years. She said, Betsy, that's the lowest score I've ever seen in my career. So I was just like, you know, hallelujah. Thank you, Lord. I was just so amazed.

I knew that because of what I had done through Zivli, and this is where I'm gonna start crying, so forgive me if I do, my body was able to fight this and to prevent this from going everywhere. And so thank you. Thank you for sharing that. And I just feel like God was protecting you in so many different ways, setting you up and setting up for success.

But you, did the work also, you know, you're the one that, that put the work in and that was motivated and resilient and strong. And that's an incredible story. I wanted to share it with you because, know, having breast cancer, thankfully is not as scary of a thing as like for my mother's generation. They know a lot more. There's, there's a lot more out there to treat it.

I am not somebody that wants to take medication and I've still am not sure that I have done the right thing by saying, yes, I'll take estrogen blocking hormones because apparently a body needs estrogen, a woman's body needs estrogen. But in any case, I mean, there's so many good things happening in cancer care for particularly for breast cancer, but regardless, it's still devastating and it's still very scary. And the thought of,

The thought of being chronically ill with this is difficult. I felt empowered, especially as my test results came back. I felt empowered because of what I've learned through Zimvle and knowing the good that I can do for myself in addition to the medical help that I can get. that's a good point. Yeah, that's the piece that's missing in conventional medicine is

Nobody, well, honestly, I I've consulted with a naturopathic oncologist because I want them to know how I am eating and how I'm exercising and the supplements I'm taking and the mindset and the sleep, you know, those are all the things that non-conventional, more integrative health will look at. So yeah, that's, you know, for anybody that's wanting to, you know, on the fence, maybe thinking about zivli,

If your main impetus is weight loss, that's fine. But get healthy from the inside out and the weight loss will come. But not only weight loss, your body is going to be strong and healthy and resilient at a cellular level because of what good you're doing for your body through Morgan's teachings. It's pretty amazing.

You're amazing. I'm like, I'm just taking it in. And I know that I'm guessing that someone listening is in tears right now because maybe they've had a breast cancer diagnosis and they're they have this scans ID like you said, I just think we all take a big, like a take a deep breath and just give thanks, you know, give thanks that you're here with us today and that you

are such an example of what's possible. I think like that's how I view you. You're an example of how you can face a challenging situation with grit and determination and resilience and faith and trust and support. And I'm really, really proud of you. So I'd love for you to just answer one more question. So you kind of said, you know, if you're on the fence, like, don't just do this for your weight, like do it for your cellular health.

Let's just say that someone is going to join and they sign up and they get that welcome email and the onboarding manual and they're going through it they're like, my goodness, this looks like a lot. What advice would you have for new members? Anything good in life takes time, you know, and health is going to take time. And, you know, so just

take it one step at a time. There's a plethora of wonderful information that Morgan has put together, Morgan and her team have put together. And just walk through it at a pace that you can. But most people have time. mean, honestly, even a cancer diagnosis, you have time to think about what is really best for you. Cancer develops over years and years and years and years. So it's not like,

I have to do something right now. Although unfortunately the medical system kind of makes us feel that way sometimes. So if bad health takes a long time, good health might even take a little bit longer, honestly. So yeah, try not to be overwhelmed by the information and take it as good information and just know that it's gonna...

bless you really. And most, I think most people, well, you can speak to that Morgan, most people probably get at least some good knowledge out of it, if not meet their goals, right? yeah, yeah. And I think I love what you said about if it took you this long to kind of get to where you are, to develop the unhealthier habits and like give yourself some grace and lots of patience to get healthy.

this is not a quick fix, it's not an overnight thing, it's not something that you do for 10 weeks or 12 weeks or six months and then you revert back. Like this is a slow process of transformation from the inside out of your mental, your emotional, your physical, your spiritual health. And I think that that's our ultimate goal is just transforming lives. you mentioned something and I can't remember exactly what you just said, but.

the thought that came to my mind is like, you're giving to yourself so that you can best give to other people. Like, you can't pour from an empty cup. Right. Right. And by, you know, by making the decision on my birthday in 2022 that I needed to gift myself this membership so that, you know, I could get to a place of better health, not just weight loss.

but better health, better knowledge about where I wanted to be in life and how to get there. That was the greatest gift I could give to myself. And now I've sort of followed in Morgan's footsteps and I'm now a certified health coach as well as continuing to be a semi-retired physical therapist. I just feel like, it looks like God maybe wants me to help people who are going through breast cancer.

So yeah, like now that I've been filled with all that good information and good lifestyle change, you know, I can, I can pour that into other people. I think I wanted to tell you this earlier, but this is a perfect time. It's like, have you heard the phrase like God gives you a mess and then through that mess, he gives you a message and then you become the messenger. I haven't. love that.

Isn't that a nice little one? don't know where I had heard of it. God, did you mess? A mess to a message to become a messenger. I love it. Yes. So I think that kind of sums up a little bit of your experience here, which is beautiful. And I just wanted to thank you again for coming on and sharing your story. And it's very impactful to me. I know I got a lot of just joy listening to you today and I really appreciate your time. well, gosh, I appreciate you so much, Morgan. You are like

Earlier you mentioned before we started the interview, you had a girl crush on this person running the course. You're probably my girl crush, other than my three beautiful daughters, of course. And she's talking about Dr. Laurel Mellon, my official girl crush. She's the founder of Emotional Brain Training, which is what we're bringing into Zivli. And I'll tell everybody who will listen about it because it's just such a really, it's a very cool and effective thing that.

that she developed and it's her life work. She's a health psychologist. And what I love about, she was a dietician first and then she became a PhD in health psychology of like, how do we get people to do what we know they want to do? How do we stop self-sabotage? And I'm like, brilliant. You're so brilliant. So thank you for saying that. That's sweet. Yeah. No, thank you, Morgan. This has been, it was a really good exercise, somewhat cathartic for me to kind of go through this whole timeline and the, you know,

just to put the pieces together to see how everything just worked for good. Yeah. And he does, you know, he works all things for good. So there is that. There is that. is that. Thank you so much and have a good rest of your day. too, Morgan. Take care.

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