Back in Action: Love Over Fear & The Return of Habit Masters

We’re back! After more than a year away from the mic, Habit Masters returns with an unscripted, heart-led conversation about what really drives us. In this comeback episode, Jeff and Sheldon talk about overcoming fear, embracing selfless love, and why the shift from survival mode to meaningful contribution is the real path to becoming your best self.

Inspired by a Seth Godin post on “Generosity Fear,” we explore how love—not fear—is the key to lasting transformation. We also dig into self-care, spiritual insights, and why it's okay to embrace imperfect progress. Stick around for story time at the end, where we relive some epic wipeouts on longboards and hoverboards (because growth sometimes hurts—literally).

🎧 In This Episode:

• The difference between fear-based and love-based motivation
• Why being a “hero” isn’t the final goal
• What self-love has to do with helping others
• Why contribution and generosity matter more than perfection
• Lessons from parenting, personal injuries, and Mr. Rogers
• Story time: Longboarding wipeouts and hoverboard fails

Let’s Reconnect
We’d love to hear from you—whether you’re a longtime listener or just discovering the show. Email us directly at:
📩 jeff@habitmasters.com
📩 sheldon@habitmasters.com

For reals, we will respond.

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Transcript

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Jeff: you guys we're back.

Habit Masters is back. We haven't decided what this is gonna look like, but this is our first episode back. It's been a long time. For those of you who have still been listening, you're amazing. We are grateful for you and we hope that we can bring some. Some of the lessons we're learning that might help you.

'cause we all know we're not that smart, but we are learning a lot every day throw our many errors and mistakes 

Sheldon: here. Here's my thing we talked about a while ago, and I wrote some of it down so that we wouldn't forget. It's a little, oh, we could put the, Seth Godin wrote a blog post called Generosity Fear, and I took that and I edited it a little bit so it was more applicable to me.

And I can just read it to you if you want 

Jeff: read it. Let's hear it. 

Sheldon: Fear is self-focused day to [00:01:00] day. Our fear is about us. What will happen if the answer is no, we're rejected, look weak or can't do it. Love and generosity is about others. How can I hope. Jumping in the water to save a struggling swimmer stops us from worrying about how we look in our suit or whether the water is cold.

There is no fear and love, but perfect love cast without fear. First John four 18. If you're concerned about your neighbor, ministering to them is easier too. The key scene in the climax of The Wizard of Oz happens when Dorothy intercedes on the scarecrows behalf. She finds the courage to overcome her fear , when she's generously supporting a friend.

It's more than a shift in narrative. It's a shift in intent. Ron, I Exar to pray to the Father with all the energy of heart that you may be filled with this love which heth bestowed upon all who are true followers of the son, Jesus Christ. And that's 7 28. When our [00:02:00] motivation for taking action changes from fear to love, the whole world changes.

Fear is self-focused, love and care, and generosity is focused on others. It's outward.

Jeff: There you go. Yeah. Just you just basically I was just telling Sheldon that I was afraid to go talk to some neighbor, and that's why he read that, to remind me that just means I'm worried about myself and not them. You gotta have an outward focus.

Sheldon: Going back to our little diagram of, our, there's survivor, there's being hero, and then there's contributor, right?

Surviving is all self-focused and it's necessary. It's part of life, right? We have to be able to overcome these things. And the hero, and it is, 

Jeff: I'll say sorry to interject. There is. It is probably the most primal feeling we have, right? Yeah. It is it's inborn [00:03:00] as a mortal human survival is part of your literal DNA, right?

Yeah. It's like you're built to survive. So in order to do what we're about to say, it really requires you overcoming, as they say in the scriptures, the natural man, right? Is that's the magic, the miracle of it. Anyway, sorry. Keep going. No, you're good. It struck out again. It's, 

Sheldon: I think it's less of a, it's not a rider better, overcoming the problems of survival isn't necessarily better than the problems of the hero or the contributor.

It's just part of the path. When we're barely surviving. Think of people in the, in war torn areas or, just doing everything they can to survive and provide for their family. There is great satisfaction and growth and I think happiness in doing that and helping others to do that, but I, we get, I think that's the, this is the crux of the [00:04:00] problem of the self-help world in general is they stop at the hero.

They stop at the, it's focused on self-growth, right? Yeah. Being our own hero. And that's great. It's important to go from just, problems of survival to the problems of growing, of growth and change and being able to contribute. But if you don't go from that to contributor to a guide, to a mentor, to giving back and caring generously for others, you're a happiness kind of plateaus.

You can't get enough sugar highs. 

Jeff: Yeah. It's easy to, it's easy to let the. Yeah, it's easy to let success and convenience turn into like vanity and slothfulness, right? Because you're just, you. If you're still focused on yourself, then all, and you're not like contributing, that actually can end up being a negative thing, right?

Yeah. 

It's 

Jeff: like where it starts out as an ambition and something you're growing towards and is making [00:05:00] you someone new. 'cause it's a challenge and it's making you better, it can then turn into something that actually can be a negative thing if you don't realize that it's not about us. It's not about me.

And I like your shirt Sheldon, by the way. It's like you, you went dark. Did you turn off your screen or video because you something? 

Sheldon: Oh no. I don't know what happened There we go back on. 

Jeff: But anyway, I was Sheldon's wearing a shirt that says, how can I help? And you just basically read that from Seth Godin.

So do you wear that shirt to remind yourself like, I wanna make a shirt, and we've probably talked about this before on, but I wanna make a shirt that says it's not about me, or it, and have it backwards so that I read it in the mirror. So it's like a reminder of this principle, which is to have an outward focus in everything you do.

And I actually wrote this on my thing and said I wrote this and I have a sticky note up on my wall now that says, [00:06:00] if I were acting in perfect selfless love, what would I be doing right now? If I was having an outward focus, what would I be doing right now?

And I'm telling you right now, this is an absolute reminder to me because I rarely do this, but I want to remind myself that to have an outward focus like this says, and like you said, a cast without fear because you're. You are no longer afraid when your focus is to help someone else. And you might have something that can, you forget about how you look.

You forget about, your weaknesses and oh where you might sound or look dumb or feel dumb, or all of those things which hinder us and inhibit us from doing certain things, especially socially. It allows you to set vanity aside essentially and step into the hero mode and be a true contributor.

And the people who really get into that mode, like we've talked a lot about Fred Rogers in the past, Mr. Rogers, and I think he was someone who [00:07:00] fully embraced. That, 'cause a lot of people might have looked at Mr. Rogers and made fun of him or thought, oh, his show's stupid and this and that. And obviously there's tons of comedians who did spoofs on the show and things like that.

And he always just took it so well because he knew who he was. He knew what his purpose was. It wasn't about him at all. It's great have your fun. Or speaking from a gospel, from a church of Jesus Christ standpoint, it's like people are constantly making fun of the church of Jesus Christ.

Or they're saying negative things about the church of Jesus Christ and this and that. And it's and the church is always just so graceful in its response. Graceful is not the word. That's the word. Gracious. Yeah. Gracious. Or they, they're just always basically oh, okay. Like it's how we need to be in essence is like when you understand your purpose and you understand what you're all about.

Yeah, the fear of how you look or how you sound or what other people might think goes away. 

Sheldon: And I think this has to, so the more we are, I think this [00:08:00] is exposed primarily in our closest relationships, meaning especially with our spouse and children. 'cause we know them so well, or our parents or, you know what I mean, siblings, it's like we I'm gonna take this with my spouse 'cause it's easiest, maybe it's not easiest to see, but I've been trying to focus on the most, it's like, what can I do to love, regardless of their response, right?

Who do I wanna be? How do I wanna show up? And. Not be afraid of not being validated or, appreciate as much as I want, or whatever it is, right? It's like I'm surprised at how much if I can forget myself, not even forget myself. It's like going back, it's like certain maturity or growth that it's okay.

Like I know who I am and I know why I'm doing this. Therefore, if it doesn't, have the result that I particularly wanted, like that's okay and I can keep on loving [00:09:00] so much easier said than done. But yeah. If I can, I've found that every time I have struggles in my relationship, there's always a certain amount of inwardness, inward thinking, fear, selfishness.

It's like thinking about what's in it for me? What am I getting? What am I not getting that I want? You know what I mean? Yeah. There's always a certain aspect of myself, me, myself, and I, and my pity party or whatever. 

Jeff: Yeah. And the funny thing about that is it's like almost always a focus on ourselves and also on things that we can't control.

It's

Sheldon: yeah. 

Jeff: And when we really shift our focus away from, to an outward focus away from ourselves, and then also to only the things that we can control, which is how we how we come, how we come to the table, what we bring to the table, what, how, what actions we take. And like you said, regardless of the results.

It's we've been doing this podcast we've skipped a [00:10:00] year, but we would be at year five right now, but we made it to year four and we stopped for a minute and part of that was a shift in focus and kind of a reset with a lot of other areas in our lives, I think, and like realignment with what we wanna do overall.

And then maybe it was just also just a time to, to see what we missed. 'cause I've been missing it, but Yeah. , And honestly if we can make this podcast that where it's always the point is always to. Serve and help others, then it'll always be worth it. It's all always be. 

Sheldon: I have I have one mental contradiction, or there's this term that I've heard, it's called proving s it's, again, I think, I forget where in the scriptures it talks about that.

But basically it feels like something is like at odds or the opposite too, but they really go hand in hand. It's nuanced, right? Yeah. There's the story of the, it's like it is [00:11:00] true. You have to take care of yourself in order to be able to take care of others, right? You do have to put your own oxygen mask on it.

It's like there's a certain amount of caring for your own health and body is the only way to be able to be healthy and strong and capable to be able to help others. Rightly. It's just like absolutely tug and pole of, I, I wouldn't even call it survival, but it's like there's a certain amount of focus on if we were to.

No one has so much time and energy and wealth and capacity that they're always focused on others. And or take, you have to take time to rest, to sharpen the saw 

Jeff: you do. Yeah. And like you said, nor should they be, right? It's

Sheldon: yeah. 

Jeff: There's so much to self-care and self-love whi, which really is the ultimate contributor in how you can serve and love others.

Because if you like, there always, people always say, Hey, how can you love others if you don't love yourself? I've heard that before, right? I've heard, yeah. Lots of phrasing. And it's absolutely [00:12:00] true. And even in the two great commandments, if we're going back scriptural, right? It's love your neighbor as they as thyself.

It's not, he's not saying Love your neighbor more than you love yourself. He's not saying that you should only love other people. In fact, he says the exact opposite. He says, you should love your neighbor as much as you love yourself. It's like you should be loving yourself. To the same extent you want to love and serve your neighbor.

It's so in other words, if you're getting, you want to give God and others equal time, but at the same time, you need to give yourself time. You gotta give yourself time to rest. You gotta give yourself time to learn, to study, to grow, to be physically healthy, to be mentally strong. Like all those things are vitally important to being able to serve.

And unless you are practicing that self-love, you can't, you won't be able to do the other 'cause you'll be right back in survival mode. 

Yeah. 

Jeff: Like you said proving contrary like lifestyle balance, it always is of life. Things that seem to be at odds. But in fact our symbiotic maybe is the word.

I don't know. [00:13:00] 

Sheldon: Yeah. It reminds me of a story of I, I can find the, it's from a BYU devotional. He gives a story about a woman she talks about in her youth. She had acne really bad, right? And she's died, forego everything from chocolate and greasy foods, everything I could think of to try and help my skin.

And it just didn't work and talked about lamenting how much grief this amazing body. But at the time it was difficult to feel grateful for it. And basically her mother at one point was like, you should do all that you can within your power to take care of yourself and present yourself as best as you can.

But once you walk out that door, forget yourself, love others, and just show up in the world. As you, God created you to be. You know what I mean? It's don't we? We do need to do all within our power to do our best to grow and do our [00:14:00] things, but once you walk out that door, let it go. Just love others.

Just forget yourself. Yeah. 

Jeff: Yeah. That's a great point, right? It's make time, schedule time to take care of yourself, but then make sure that when you're out there amongst others, that focus is outward, that you're finding ways to. Yeah. That you're not focused on the things like that.

It's oh no, I got acne or whatever. 

Sheldon: So these are aspirational folks, right? This is the person I want to be, and I'm, I work at it. I try and nothing's better than, marriage and children or tough situations at work and friends that, that can round off the edges, soften me and give me lots of experience and opportunities to practice.

But I need it, man. I need it. 

Jeff: And every [00:15:00] day, right? We'll fall short of this, just like everything else. But I think it's something that if you consistently practice you'll get better and better, right? And you end up spending more of your time. When you're, when you can be focused on others, when you're showing love when everything you do, not everything you do, but the most of what you do becomes out of love.

Like even taking care of yourself becomes outta love because hey, I wanna be healthy and strong and I wanna be fit to, to be able to spend time with my kids and spend time, and be active enough to do the things that are helpful to others. And so all your intentions become more focused on who you need to be able to do all those good things, right?

Sheldon: Maybe that self love is it really is key and important. I don't know how much we've said this so many times, Jeff, it's I change best by feeling good, not by feeling bad, right? I don't know how many times we've beat ourselves up and tried to, what's the, to flag? No. As the, when you whip themselves into chain Oh yeah.

Self, [00:16:00] self ululation or whatever, self, beat ourselves up and think that will change us, right? Yeah. And pain can be very motivating in the moment, but it's never a long term effective or sustaining. I think love of ourselves and others, like you have to give yourself grace and forgive yourself for falling short and like loving, I guess loving others and loving yourself like they're connected.

Jeff: Yeah. Okay, I don't wanna go too deep into this because I know. I'm this has been something I've been thinking about a lot lately, but that essentially in essence, love is the ultimate superpower in the universe. And

and that everything that is or can be is really from love and all the good things, at least, right? And it's and that's really like the more we become someone [00:17:00] who's like really loving, the more capability we have to serve and help others. And the more knowledge we'll gain.

And it's just as you get this sense of wonder about life and others and everything you do if I had to say it down, I'm like I personally believe that I. God's power is love, right? He is love number one. But then his power is, it comes from that fact that he is the essence and embodiment of love.

And that, and therein lies the power to do all things. And anyway, I'm getting too deep. I told you, but I was, I've been thinking about this a lot, and in essence, I feel like that's what it comes down to is love and true love, right? True selfless love. Like the love that come that we think about when we think about how much we love our kids or how much we love, to like the things that matter the most.

Not the kind of what's the word? 

Sheldon: Like an immature love, like a lustful love. [00:18:00] You 

Jeff: know what I mean? It's not really love at all. It's just, yeah. We use that phrase, but that's not what it is. An unselfish love. It's like really 100% focused on it is an outward focused kind of love, right?

Sheldon: Yeah. 

Jeff: Selfless 

Sheldon: man. Isn't that, isn't children the best example? It's like even when they get angry, even when they storm off, even when they are, they're just little brats. Yeah. You still love him, right? You still love him. Didn't you read now? Just kidding. Correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff. I remember when you, was it the richest man in Babylon and I would greet this day with love in my heart.

Didn't you read that every day for a year or something like that? 

Jeff: No, it's it's not there. Babylon. It's the, oh,

hold on. It's coming to me. Oh, shoot. Yes, I did. What was it? I'll say I attempted, I did not get [00:19:00] perfect, but I did really close. Hold on. Probably 

Sheldon: the greatest salesman in the world. The 

Jeff: greatest salesman. Yes. You got it. The greatest salesman in the world. Yes, I would agree to stay with my heart. It's 

Sheldon: been a long time.

Yeah. 

Jeff: In that, in essence, that's what one of the laws of good salesmanship came down to was that you had an outward focus, right? That you weren't, it wasn't about tricking someone into buying something that couldn't afford or like anything like that. It really came down to understanding your customer and serving them

Sheldon: and helping them get what they want.

Jeff: Exactly. And it goes back to what Zig Ziglar says, right? It's like you can have anything in life you want if you just help another enough other people get what they want. And I find that to be, in essence what this is talking about, because it all comes back to you. The more you give, the more you serve, the more you are required to not only have the self-love, but the more abundance and things come [00:20:00] back to you.

Yeah. 

Jeff: Anyway, it's, and abundance can come in many forms. Right? Abundance of love, abundance of family, abundance of health, abundance of we think of it in money terms, but it's not always that way. And most of the time it comes in other ways. Blessings of all sorts. Anyway 

Sheldon: else. Abraham Lincoln.

Yeah. I know. We need to wrap this up. Abraham Lincoln. The best way to destroy my enemies is to make it my friend. 

Jeff: Yeah. And you saw, so who was it? Ben Franklin. At one point he was it Ben Franklin? Okay. Maybe I might be totally messing this up. Hold on. It's, we'll say it's Ben Franklin, but in essence he had a cr, a crazy good library, but there was someone in else, in politics that was like in his enemy, basically. They disagreed and he hated Ben Franklin.

And at one [00:21:00] point, Ben Franklin asked this guy if he, because he knew he had an amazing library, and so he asked this guy if he could borrow a book, a specific book that he knew he had in his library. And the guy was so excited to give it to him. And then after that, like he told him all that he had read about, so he read the book, obviously, and then they talked about it, and the other guy from then on became one of his best friends and advocates.

Even though, right? So he had asked him essentially for a favor, and that this is one of the what do they call that? Like a juujitsu, right? It's like how do you turn an enemy into a fan? How win friends and influence people is one of the methods of jut of like how to win friends and influence people is to ask them for a favor, right?

Something that you can't do for yourself that they can provide you. And and because even more so than being gifted something they say this the feeling of like love and reciprocity is more is when you actually are, if someone asks you for something. So serving somebody else, yeah, serving somebody [00:22:00] else or providing them with some kind of benefit is one of the greatest ways to build friends.

And I was like, huh, that's really interesting. Or to turn, if you wanna turn enemies into friends, right? It's like essentially ask them for a favor, which isn't something you think you would do, but. Anyway, I can't remember where I read that recently. There's a book Oh, I was reading okay, dude, if you haven't read still the Ryan Holiday books that I was telling you about.

Gotta get on it. They're good, man. The three, the the, there's four cardinal virtues. He's written three of them so far 

Sheldon: okay. 

Jeff: The three books of the cardinal virtues that he is wrote, they're really good. I think it was one that, one of those that he was talking about that in, but anyway, yeah.

Okay. So 

Sheldon: we've we've wandered, 

Jeff: we have, we've wondered, I think we actually, for being, like having no general agenda for this conversation, we pretty much stayed right on [00:23:00] point. 

Sheldon: Let me wrap it up again with a little, going back to Seth Godin. Fear is self-focused day to day. Our fears about us love and generosity is about others.

How can I help?

I like it. 

Jeff: I like it a lot.

I don't even remember what our wrap up was anymore, whether we do it anymore or not. 

You know 

Jeff: what guys? Today it's a brand new start. We'll just do. 

Sheldon: We love you if there's something we can do to serve you. I promise this what Jeff shared is true. If there's something we could do to serve you, we would love to and it would make our day.

Don't know what that is. Absolutely. I'm not gonna put a qualifiers on that. We may not have the answers, but hopefully between the two of us, we know someone who does or hook you up or whatever it is. [00:24:00] 

Jeff: And you know what? We don't even have a website anymore 'cause we shut it down a while back 'cause it was costing us money and we weren't doing anything with it.

If you wanna contact us, just contact us, jeff@habitmasters.com or sheldon@habitmasters.com. We still do own the domain, so there's that true. But jeff@habitmasters.com or sheldon@habitmasters.com and we will, we'll be happy to respond. We know there's probably only, like two of you out there now, but if you are still listening, send us an email because we wanna know and we wanna know what you've gotten the most out of.

Of your years of listening to Habit Masters and how we can help, we just wanna thank you. 

Sheldon: Best serve you. Yeah. 

Jeff: Yes, because honestly we are gonna start doing this again. Right now we don't know how often that's gonna be, but we wanna make it very consistent, whether that's, hey, twice a month or once a week, or however we decide what's possible for us at the moment, we wanna continue doing this.

And the format, as you see, is gonna be a little less structured than in the past. Part of that is just because we feel [00:25:00] like if it's gonna fit into our lives and we still want to be able to serve people this way, then maybe we just need to make it less structured and a little more off the cuff.

With that, hopefully still comes some great information and stuff that you can use in your life. And as always, it's always gonna be focused around, building a better life and becoming the best version of yourself. And the stuff that we're learning, we'll try and share.

Sheldon: We love you. Have a great day.

Jeff: All right, Sheldon, what? Oh, if we were to start up Habit Masters today, what would we, need to share with the world, with the Habit Master listening crowd.

We had 40 something listeners last week and we haven't been doing this six months now. It's longer than that. It's like a year. It's been forever. Oh man. We're back folks. We made it,

I think, [00:26:00] back in action , 

Reunited 

Sheldon: second Timothy on the seven. That should be the basis of our 

Jeff: thoughts. One second Timothy one, seven. 

Sheldon: For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Jeff: So in other words, if you're feeling the other way, it's not God. That's what we know. Amen to that.

Okay. 

Sheldon: I think this actually, this back so much. Go ahead. What did you say? I think fear stops us more often than we recognize.

Fear of the unknown. Absolutely. Fear of the effort that it will take, which is always like starting is always the hardest part. I 

Jeff: It's true. That's where I'm like, once you take that first step, at least you then there's no [00:27:00] so much of fear and so much of what of like lack of faith is in, is just misunderstanding or a lack of awareness of the reality.

It's 'cause even hard things like when I got up to go running this morning, which was not what I wanted to do, I was like I don't wanna do this. But then once you start running right. It's not too bad. It's like you just get into, you're like, okay, I remember it. This is hard, but it's not like impossible and you can do it.

I don't know. But that's what I think about is once you start going, once you start doing and so much, so many different habits and things are like this, it's oh, when you start doing it, you just get into the groove and you do it. And 

Sheldon: I think that's the power of the minimum of the lower limit Absolutely.

Is [00:28:00] just, it keeps you in the habit of doing the habit. Even if it's just one pull up, 

Jeff: which I can't do right now. I dunno what I did in my shoulder, but something like, I dunno if it's ribs or shoulder up. I like pull my, I don't even know when it happened, but it's from one day to the next, I get two pull-ups and the next day, like I can't, this left arm, it's been a while too.

Like I can't get it to heal up. I don't know what's going on. If I pulled a tendon or something or tore tendon. Anyway, that's a side note, but okay. It's 

Sheldon: the same thing and it's been, it took a couple, it's to the point where it's almost really, almost normal, but it's been like a couple months. 

Jeff: Yeah, mine's underneath right here.

I don't know what I did and they keep telling me it's my ribs out, but I'm like, but then even when I adjust my ribs, I can't, still can't do it. It's been a long time though. Like I've gone, yeah, it's been at least a month. No, February. Since February. [00:29:00] Almost two months.

It sucks anyway, because that was like part of my morning routine, like every day, right? Yeah. So I feel like I'm, I could see the pull up bar in the background there. Slack. I know. It's just taunting me over there. Stupid pull up bar. 

Oh, so story time. Let's see. Yes. What's a good story of late? What's, you tell me a story. Do you have a story? Anything new recently? Or not even recently, but just awesome.

Sheldon: I don't know. I, yes, but I can't think there's been stories. I just can't think of one off the top of my head. 

Jeff: They do a story time on the podcast I listen to and I love it. So 

Sheldon: that would be fun. 

Jeff: Okay. Recent story for me. A lot of fun. 

Sheldon: Yeah. 

Jeff: Okay. Is I, so Logan got a longboard for Christmas, and of course he hasn't been able to write it much because it's been winter [00:30:00] and just before, just like a couple of weeks ago, he was trying to test it out, and he's not very comfortable on it yet.

He's feeling awkward. He is never really ridden roller blades or skateboards or anything, so it's not really super comfortable for him. He's ridden Uhhuh those things called scooters, but nothing else really. So 

Okay. 

Jeff: I'm like, oh yeah, watch, I'll show you how to do it. And so I jump on, I used to be the pro at this.

I thought I was like, telling my kids like how cool I was back in the day. Oh, I was ride down mountains and on trails and hills and all this stuff. And so I jump on and I'm riding around our cul-de-sac and I'm like, oh, first I'm a little, I haven't done it in a long time, so I'm feeling a little off balance.

I'm like, okay. And I, but I got used to it and starting to go and making turns and whoa, dad, you're. You're pretty good. I'm like, yeah, I'm getting my, I'm getting it back. And there's a neighbor outside. Okay, wait, I have to go back. 'cause there's, how this all began is I walked outside and my neighbor was standing outside, standing on a longboard with his daughter, taking a picture of [00:31:00] him, Uhhuh.

And, but he's seems really uncomfortable on the longboard. Yeah. And I'm okay, what's I walk over there and I'm like, Brad, what's going on? You need a longboard now. He is oh no, I've never ridden these in my life. He's we were just taking pictures from my daughter's photography class of sports in action, or whatever.

And I was like, oh, okay. I was like, yeah. I was like, you were looking a little uncomfortable on there. He's oh yeah, I never read these things. And I was like, okay. And so then of course, a few minutes later I bust out Logan's and I'm like. Yeah. 

Maybe in my 

Jeff: mind being like, watch this boys. I can ride along board, even though my neighbor was inside at this point, I wasn't trying to show him up or anything.

So I'm riding around in the cul-de-sac and I'm, you, I'm cruising around and like getting pretty, I'm getting a lot more comfortable kind of remembering my groove and there's the little lip on your driveway,

and I was like, okay, I'm going slow. And I'm like, maybe I can get up it.

And so boom, I get up it, I was like, oh, good. That was easy. I thought I was actually gonna stop my board. And it's been a long time, so I hadn't really been driving up the driveway yet, so I go for one more spin out [00:32:00] there, and I was like, come back. I'm, this time I think to myself, I'm just gonna fly up this little thing, so I pick up speed right before I get to the little lip on the driveway and and I must've been too far forward or going too fast or all of the above. And as soon as I hit the little lip, the board just stopped and I go flying like probably five, six feet conservation of 

Sheldon: energy.

Yeah. Yes. 

Jeff: I land on my hands and then I just like my elbows hit and I just slide forward and my kids are like, dad, are you okay? And my pride is completely crushed at this moment. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm such an idiot. Thinking I'm all cool. Look at those boys guy 

Sheldon: in the corner.

Yeah. 

Jeff: It's your dad can write a skateboard Anyway, and I looked down and my watch has ripped off my wrist and my wrist hurts super bad. Like right after you break something, I'm like, oh crap. I think I broke my wrist, but I didn't wanna tell my boys this yet. And I had my elbow is just like a giant scratch on it.

You can probably [00:33:00] see you 

Sheldon: still got it. Yeah. 

Jeff: The remnants. Anyway. So I run inside and I'm like washing it under water 'cause it's hurting so bad, I just need some cold water on it. So I do that and then I just lay on the ground and I'm like in so much pain, like my knees hurt, my wrist hurts like crazy.

And I thought, oh man, 

like 

Jeff: that like post break feeling where your, you start to get nauseous. I'm like, oh my gosh, I think I broke my wrist. And so I lay down on the ground, my boys come in, they're like, dad, are you okay? And I was like, I will be and great face 

Sheldon: for the children. 

Jeff: And so I was like in so much pain.

And then I got, so I took out this wrist brace just to put it on for the time being. So my wife has it at night sometimes. And so I steal it from her side bed and I put it on and for two days I'm just in intense pain and I go to the chiropractor and he takes an x-ray for me. And he is oh, I think I see a hairline fracture on your wrist.

You can do this laser therapy yada, yada. And so I do it and I start [00:34:00] doing the laser therapy for a few days. And I go and I'm like, I probably should go check with an actual, a doctor to see, just get, because his, the x-ray machine at my chiropractor is like old and I don't, and like it doesn't have the most crisp image.

Yeah. So I go to another clinic and I have them do an x-ray like a week later. And it turns out that it wasn't broken or the laser therapy magically healed me, one of the two. And and it was just sprained. So now it's finally, it's getting back to normal. So I feel pretty good now, but it was rough but it was hilarious and totally injured.

My pride. 'cause my kids are like, dad, oh no, I haven't seen Logan ride it since. I'm like, oh dang it. I hope I didn't scare him forever. You 

Sheldon: scared him for life. We got, we've got those hoverboards. Yeah, and we got the pretty, we got a pretty nice one. I got one that's, my son wanted it, but I made a point to get one that was strong enough that I could ride it.

Jeff: Yes. I'm the same way. I'm like, I don't wanna get you something I can't write. That's lame. 

Sheldon: Exactly. And it's been a, it's [00:35:00] a little bit difficult actually. Something about the firmware and this, the newer one we got, it's much easier to even start out and get used to it. But yeah, for whatever reason.

I was trying, a few days and getting more used to it and trying to like, push the limits, right? 

Jeff: Yes. 

Sheldon: As we do 

Jeff: male, 40 plus. Yeah. 

What I just did. Oh 

Sheldon: man. And so I'm outside and it's going pretty fast. Fast enough. If you were to like jump off, you'd have to be basically running in order to stay on your feet.

Yeah. And I turned way too sharp and just bfit and land on my like right butt cheek to the point where it was like, again, like the instant you land, you're just like, I broke something. Yeah. So you're like, oh no, I'm broken. And I get up. It took me a little bit, 'cause I can like barely walk and I'm looking around and nobody saw me, [00:36:00] thankfully, just wipe out on my keer.

And I go inside and I was I, after a minute of walking around I'm like, okay, I don't think I broke anything. Yeah. One of those like moments, it hurts so much in the moment that like, I have not tried to push it like you 

Jeff: are. Like I just go slow and gentle on these things now.

There was a reason I stopped longboarding a long time ago. It was that injuries. Next time I'll have another story for you about skiing. Another. I think I'm smart and I think I'm better at things than I am moment. I think 

Sheldon: I'm more coordinated and cooler than reality 

Jeff: going off 20 foot tabletop jumps and thinking I can do that at all.

Having harsh realities strike you down when you don't.

Good times. 

Sheldon: Good [00:37:00] times. 

Jeff: Gotta push the limits sometimes, guys. Is that the lesson? Is that the lesson or our stories? 

Sheldon: Know your limits. 

Jeff: Know your limits. That's, but you have 

Sheldon: to be, okay. So it's funny 'cause there's that, it's like growth only comes by pushing limits, right? It doesn't matter what it is, whether it's building muscle or mentally, like, all growth go comes from like pushing where the box ends, right? And at the same time, people who don't know when to stop are the ones who die, right?

It's like those, you have to know what that limit is. Tech one and pushed a little bit past it because if you push too far, it. You'll break something. 

Jeff: It's, there's that limit thing again, you gotta know, it's like upper and lower limits.

Sheldon: We tend to, I. It's like my downstairs, I was talking with a friend. 'cause we have a, a projector and TV kind of to the side. And [00:38:00] frankly, we let our kids roughhouse, I think more than the average, like quite a bit more than the average person, right? Kicking soccer balls around and stuff like that.

And they're like, why did you put it right there? I was like it's gonna put it in the center of the room. But I realized like it would break if it was, it'd get broken. What? Like the kids would break it. This is the playroom. You know what I mean? This has to be off to the side, close to the wall with the bookshelf, partially protecting it.

Jeff: Like 

Sheldon: why 

Jeff: did you do that? 

Sheldon: You're like,

still haven't survived. 

Sheldon: But because that's our mentality, especially my mentality, it's no, that's how they learn their limits is by. Falling down and scraping their knees. I don't know. It's I remember one time with some cousins, it's like the cousins who were several years older than them, down by the, they're jumping from rock to rock down by the lake.

And I had no fear for my kids and they were just like freaking out my child's gonna kill themselves. And I'm like that's why, 'cause like you don't let him do anything. So yeah. I'm actually [00:39:00] much more nervous watching your children who are several years older than mine. Yeah. Than I am watching my 5-year-old.

'cause I know he can handle it, but Yeah. You're 8-year-old, he's gonna kill himself. Yeah. It's like 

Jeff: my 2-year-old Max, he's like a wild man on his scooter and I'm always like, oh my gosh, he's gonna die. But. He hasn't yet. 

Sheldon: Our second JJ it was, we, I didn't know it at the time, but I guess he used to just freak the neighbors out.

'cause we had these long doors and he would, when he was legit, like two, I can't talk two years old or just lay on him and go down the driveway. We don't have a steep driveway, but, and we live in a cul-de-sac Okay. For don't think we're neglectful here. But yes, at two years old they get on this and go down the driveway and I, we had some neighbors that would just like, I couldn't watch like when I would see him out there.

'cause,

and I'm like proud of the little guy, because he's just wow. Yeah. [00:40:00] Going out the with him. Yeah. You got your finger under that. That really hurt, huh? Yeah. 

Jeff: Ouch. Don't do that again. 

Sheldon: Some lessons. Yep. Gotta learn those. So I'm not encouraging 'em to touch the hot pan. Yeah, exactly. But am saying, yeah.

Get your, yeah, it's hot. You feel that? Put your hand close, closer to it. Yeah. It's hot. You know they learn. 

Jeff: Yeah, they do.

All. Alright, brother Drew, wrap it up again. That's a wrap, folks. Oh, is this story 

Sheldon: time going in? 

Jeff: Oh yeah. I already included it. I'm putting it in a hundred percent.

People like it, they'll get a little bonus. It'll be like, we'll finish and then be like, Hey, if you wanna stay later, we got stories. So stay after the credits. You get story time, 

Sheldon: stories of stupidity, stories 

Jeff: of whatever we want. 

Sheldon: I play, I turned 43 last week and I play ultimate Frisbee.

Dude, I'm the worst I your [00:41:00] birthday 

Jeff: every year. 

Sheldon: I do. Same with yours. That's good. 

Jeff: Then we're good friends. 

Sheldon: I take a fair amount of pride, if I'm honest, at trying to keep up with the 20 somethings. And I use, absolutely, I do that response of you're how old? Yeah. 43. No way.

Because I think I do a decent job at keeping up with the 20, 29 year olds. So 

Jeff: Yeah. It's like when I run races, I'm always like, I you, when you whip up on the young bucks in races, they're like, whoa, how old are you? Yeah. I still got a step or two. 

Sheldon: I remember, let's see, I did a couple marathons like 18, finally passing some.

She had to have been in her seventies. Yeah. Oh man. I being, it took me 18 miles to catch up to this. You're like, this lady's 

Jeff: legit. There's another story for another day about a marathon when I was trying to beat Miss, miss Utah. And 

Sheldon: really, 

Jeff: [00:42:00] I'll tell you that another day. 

Sheldon: Okay, sounds good. 

Jeff: The the spoiler is I did not beat miss Utah.

Sheldon: The race with ourselves by hours. It's not too often that we compete against others. The race is with, what's the scripture? Scripture say. The race is not with others, but with ourself and with sin or something. I have to look it up now. Scripture. Yeah. Okay.

Jeff: Find that one. I that is not ringing a bell.

Sheldon: I'm Googling it right now. 

Jeff: You know who's really good at those kind of answers? Chat, pt.

It's if you want something specific like that from the scriptures, it really does a great job. Google, on the other hand, not always as effective. 

Sheldon: Oh, okay.

I'll find it. Cheers on every runner. 'cause the race is not against each other. It's against sin. [00:43:00] 

Jeff: That's it. That's the scripture. 

Sheldon: I see. I have to find the exact scripture. 

Jeff: Dude I can't believe, I don't know that sounds like something I would remember. 

Sheldon: Let's see.

Maybe I'm making this up. 

Jeff: You probably aren't. I'm just shocked because I felt like I was, oh, I forgot what I was gonna read to you. So I wrote the other day. Mind you, it's unfiltered in random thoughts that I was just jotting down and it says this goes back to our, what we were talking about today.

I don't wanna include it because I think your finish was better so it was just like perfect. But it says to be Christlike is to have pure, selfless love. It casteth off all fear. It removes all barriers, is the source of all power in the universe. Now, this is just Jeff preaching. It's not necessarily true, but I feel like you know what I was thinking was true.

It was like Jesus was perfect because everything he did was out of perfect love for others, for his father, and for all of us. All that [00:44:00] we do in our lives should be with the intent to love and serve others, to bless them with our talents, to inspire them with our example, to mourn with them, to comfort them, to encourage them, to support them, and to offer them a hand whenever they're down.

There is not pride, ego, or selfish selfishness. Where there is perfect love, everything we do to serve those around us and fulfill our higher purpose. As a, as children of God. Our life is not our own. Our body is not our own. Our heart, our mind, our strength, our talents and our money belongs to all.

We were created and blessed so that we could grow, give, and serve, and we are served so that others might share their gifts and blessings with us.

Sheldon: Love it.

Jeff: Anyways, that came to mind the other day and I was like, I'm, I haven't actually read that since I wrote it. And I, it was more on point than I thought. It's like better that, I was gonna 

Sheldon: say, that sounds really good, actually. 

Jeff: I was like, that was better than I remember. I don't know where I came up with that.

Okay. Must have been, like you said, it must have been something somewhere beyond my own. '

Sheldon: Okay, I gotta run, but I'm gonna send you something real [00:45:00] quick,