Wives Not Sisters

WLW Lore: The Shannon Beveridge Episode

• Kayla Nielsen and Alix Tucker

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In this episode of Wives Not Sisters, Alex and Kayla dive deep into the lore of Shannon Beveridge—from her early YouTube days and first love with Cammie Scott, to her rollercoaster relationships with Fletcher, Becky, and Becca. They unpack parasocial dynamics, viral breakup videos, the infamous Becky So Hot moment, and what it means to navigate queer identity in the public eye. Expect gossip, internet sleuthing, and lots of laughs along the way.


⏱️ Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome & “Would You Rather” game (Shannon edition)

04:30 – What “lore” means & why it matters in queer culture

09:00 – Shannon’s coming out story & early YouTube fame

15:00 – Relationship with Cammie Scott + iconic breakup video

26:30 – Fletcher era: secret dating, Sex Tapes, and queer icon status

42:30 – Becky + the chaos of Becky So Hot

59:00 – Becca, breakup podcasts, and lessons in queer love

Connect with us on social media: IG: @wivesnotsisterspod | TikTok: @wivesnotsisterspod

Follow our hosts on Instagram: @kaylalanielsen @alix_tucker


SPEAKER_01:

Hey guys, it's Alex. And Kayla. And we're married, not related, definitely codependent.

SPEAKER_00:

But in a cute way. And we are so excited that you're here with us once again. Welcome back to Wives Not Sisters.

SPEAKER_01:

We're back. I'm so happy to be here again.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's do this. We got a lot to dive in today. This

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is going to be a juicy episode,

SPEAKER_00:

I think. But first, it's my turn to lead. Oh, it

SPEAKER_01:

is your turn to lead. What do you have for us?

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, so a little spoiler alert for the episode. If you don't know how to read and just randomly selected this title, we are covering Shannon Beverage today for our lore episode. It's going to be spicy. So for my little game, we're going to do Would You Rather, but Shannon Beverage coded.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. I like it. This is just like a little, you know, a little amuse-bouche, let's say, before we get into it an appetizer okay okay honey so would you rather have to make a breakup video every single time you broke up with any girlfriend you've ever had and publish it on the internet to several hundred thousand people or live a private happy life alone never being able to date anyone

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ever

SPEAKER_00:

I couldn't ever be with somebody you can hook up with people but you can't ever I can't have like a serious relationship? you're going breakup video I see it on your face you are made to be a wife

SPEAKER_01:

this is so hard but because I'm so mortified of like being in the public eye and I don't want to have my breakups televised especially my ones in my early 20s those did not go well those breakup videos would have been horrific but amazing train wrecks to watch you and Shannon alike yes yeah yeah but I think I have to go with public breakup because you

SPEAKER_00:

want to end up with me I can't be alone I need I need a wife okay that's what I thought that's what I thought okay so would you rather be a really well-known youtuber and date pretty much the hottest girls that you've ever seen in your life every single one of them just stunning gorgeous beautiful or be the tech finance pro that you are and end up with this no I'm just kidding and you know just kind of fly under the radar you're dating like crunch granola girls maybe you met them in Nicaragua maybe not I don't know

SPEAKER_01:

this feels like a really easy easy one for me

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the hot girls

SPEAKER_01:

if you would ask me at 23 I would definitely have said hot girls like 1000% I mean

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like one of the hot girls is Fletcher I

SPEAKER_01:

don't I mean yeah I guess she is hot I don't know she's not like my number one but if you ask me at 23 I would have 1000% said only hot girls don't care if it goes anywhere don't need a relationship but like no no I'm going tech bro lifestyle gotta meet the wifey and I doesn't no I don't need that that crazy lifestyle

SPEAKER_00:

okay so would you rather live in the public eye like always have to share the ins and outs of your relationships online or I totally just forgot my other one but I feel like I already know the answer you already know

SPEAKER_01:

the answer because I'm just like I don't I'm not a public eye person

SPEAKER_00:

unless you end up totally alone and here we are doing a podcast in the public eye hopefully I was not I'm just not destined to be

SPEAKER_01:

a public eye person but I ended up with a public eye person so

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yeah but I would rather

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be private

SPEAKER_00:

yeah and I mean I feel like a podcast is also even though nowadays it is all on video it still is a little bit more a little bit more behind the scenes no is that a lie I tell myself probably I mean we're

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doing it in the comforts of our own home

SPEAKER_00:

yeah yeah that's true it doesn't you know if you like are people listening to this I don't know we'll find out chime in in the comments let us know if you are there if you're alive if you're breathing let's get into it

SPEAKER_01:

okay let's do

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it because we got a lot to cover I have a whole ass outline today I wanted to make sure that I kept the lore on point

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so we're gonna do lore what is lore because i don't

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i don't know like i

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fully understand what lore means

SPEAKER_00:

of course you don't of course you don't this this should have been my turn to lead game is quizzing you on just like i don't know if it's online lingo gen z lingo you should have because i don't know what this means i'm a lore whore so i feel like i can i can do this i was born for this it's just like the backstory it's a little bit of the gossip it's like what's what's their deal what's their story why does everyone care about them why it's the

SPEAKER_01:

juice if you will their juice

SPEAKER_00:

yeah there's so many different ways that you can explain it's like it's basically the backstory so

SPEAKER_01:

just i just learned what roman empire was recently when you taught me what this was and would you say that lore is your roman empire no

SPEAKER_00:

am i using that correctly kind of but it would be like is shannon beverage my is shannon beverage

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your roman

SPEAKER_00:

empire no that would be weird um but I do I love lore it's like I okay this is what I love about lore I love understanding also the kind of like fanatic mentality behind it so it's not just the person that we are studying but it's also the fans response to the person it's

SPEAKER_01:

like the internet psychology

SPEAKER_00:

yeah I find it it's like a morbid yeah I would way rather look at that than some true crime kind of stuff but it's that same morbid fascination of just train wrecks of people I'm not just saying the people online, but it's just the way that the world is now and the way that people respond to people that they don't even know. Wow. Which I think this is a really good place to start is just to remind everyone we don't know Shannon. And I'm going to go ahead and venture most people, if not everyone listening to this, also doesn't know Shannon. Okay?

SPEAKER_01:

Like as a person. We know who she

SPEAKER_00:

is. You know who she is. We've never met her. She shares a lot of her life on the internet. She's been on the internet for a very long time. but you still don't really know her. So if you catch yourself being like, I hate that person, it's like, that's weird. Why do you hate someone you've never met? You know what I mean? Just like keep yourself in check. The same way that if you absolutely love someone that you've never met, that's a little weird, you know? Like let's just observe.

SPEAKER_01:

These like, they're called like parasocial relationships, right? Is that a thing? Another word I taught you, yes.

SPEAKER_00:

You taught me that. It's so fascinating. It is. And I get it because I have them too. Everybody has them. And I've also experienced it. I

SPEAKER_01:

love Jojo Siwa.

SPEAKER_00:

I have a parasocial relationship with her. In case you're wondering what our next lore episode is going to be. But yeah, it's like you can develop these fascinations and interests in people, of course. And you can be a fan of someone and support them and cheer them on. But it's important to remember you don't actually know them. And they literally don't. know your first name they don't they know you exist but you're a number on their screen you know so it's just it's just kind of like an important reminder and whenever we do these lore episodes there's gonna be i mean we're gonna have opinions you know us we're gonna have some takes and stuff but it's not the point isn't to just be mean or snarky or it's just explaining like this person and all of the people that we cover in the lore episodes are important in the queer community for one reason or another they might be a like shannon but it's like why are they important what is the fascination there

SPEAKER_01:

yeah

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and usually that comes from like all sort of fandoms it's like you're projecting your own experience based on what they're showing you

SPEAKER_01:

i'm so excited to go deep on these

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and you know you know the lesbian drama is always good so

SPEAKER_01:

always oh my god if if it's one thing that lesbians do well it's it's the drama and the gossip

SPEAKER_00:

yeah i mean like we said last episode to the people in the thank you shannon for your service because you have provided us with you are the

SPEAKER_01:

gift that keeps on giving

SPEAKER_00:

yeah you said you said the yesterday when we were kind of going over it on our walk you're like what's gonna happen when shannon beverage gets married we're not gonna like what and i said jojo si was only 21 we got we got plenty of lore to go we got time

SPEAKER_01:

but shannon just just don't get married at least for like another few more years like give us the goods

SPEAKER_00:

yeah so thank you for your service and thank you for all of the inner out there, as well as all of Shannon's girlfriends who have told us so much over the years. We appreciate and love you all. Okay, so let's get started. Shannon Beveridge. So she's a fellow Pisces, just like you, honey. And she was born in Dallas, Texas. So as we know, a little bit more of a conservative area. She's a Southern belle. She said that her parents are I think she said from Philly or not from Texas so she didn't grow up super religious in her household but just the culture Texas you know we know how Texas is the stereotypes are true so she grew up in that environment and as she's explained many many times she has talked about this on so many of her own podcast episodes YouTube's everything her own coming out experience so I'm not sharing anything new there but she knew that she was gay in high school she fell in love with a girl in high school they developed an intimate relationship that I think was just like really lovey maybe a little flirty I can't remember if they kissed that girl's parents ended up catching them because they put nanny cams in the girl's room no what an invasion of privacy and and she said she's like they didn't catch us doing anything you know it was just I think they were just talking about how much they liked each other which is so cute

SPEAKER_01:

oh my god that's so cute also I'm so jealous that she knew new in high school like there's this part of me that just wishes that you

SPEAKER_00:

didn't even know what a lesbian was

SPEAKER_01:

no that like I would have been able to like identify that in myself sooner and had the confidence to to come out at a younger age because I sometimes I wonder like oh what would that have been like or yeah what would my college experience have been like had I come out sooner what I can't even imagine coming out in high school she didn't come out

SPEAKER_00:

oh wow the girlfriend's parents outed her to her parents no so that day that they put the nanny Kim in there they knocked on the door they're like you gotta go brought Shannon back to her house and told her parents and her mom was like you're not gay are you no even though her mom is heavily featured on her Instagram now yes her mom is like number one queer mom the biggest ally of all allies just maybe didn't say the best thing in that moment but that happens oh my god

SPEAKER_01:

that's so brutal

SPEAKER_00:

and Shannon and was like no you know just like shoved it right back down obviously felt a lot of shame a lot of confusion I don't even know if she had the words to place it that would have

SPEAKER_01:

sent me into a shame spiral that I don't know that I would have been able to come out of

SPEAKER_00:

yeah so she's like I know after college I should just join a sorority because then it will just like bully the gay out of me which is I don't understand those dots because I'm like now you're just surrounded by hot girls what yeah how is that going to un-gay for

SPEAKER_01:

like dude's attention

SPEAKER_00:

well okay she went to Oklahoma so I don't know if it was like that there I feel like they're classier there I don't know if I just made that up but I went to San Diego State we were the opposite of classy we were making out with our sisters okay I don't know if that was the vibe where she was but I picture that to be a little bit more southern belle that so she she was in a sorority at some point in the sorority she then is really admitting to herself like I'm gay and as she describes it is leading this double life hannah montana life where she starts online with tumblr did you ever use tumblr i was not a tumblr

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girly

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shocker

SPEAKER_01:

i did have a lot of emotions in high school so it's surprising that i wasn't a tumblr girly but i knew people who were tumblr girlies

SPEAKER_00:

yeah so she was she wasn't in high school she was in college at this point but she's on tumblr and she's like only doing lesbian stuff so she's fully out online i guess tumblr i also wasn't a tumblr girly i knew about it she was anonymous maybe I believe she had probably the same username she does now now this is living I don't know but she posted her face and stuff but it was I don't know I don't remember exactly how Tumblr worked if it was kind of like a TikTok I think it feeds you the sort of niche that you're in so she was on the very lesbian side of Tumblr which I guess was a really gay place on the internet at the time and she's connecting with other people and she's just sharing her story of Like I'm in the South, I'm closeted and I'm in a fucking sorority surrounded by all these hot girls. But it was starting to feel that kind of sense of belonging online at least. And then at some point she goes over to YouTube. Her YouTube is private, which is kind of crazy because her YouTube is really where she ends up growing to fame. But at the time you had to have the link, which I think she gave to people on Tumblr to be able to subscribe to her YouTube. And she already grew up pretty significant. following before she ever went public on YouTube so I think I'm looking at my notes I think she ended up going public on YouTube around 2012 give or take a year or two so if that's wrong don't kill me it doesn't really matter the point is it's been a long ass time she's been doing this for a while and especially once she went public she already had a following on there just from it being private once she went public and at this point she is publicly out she's out to her family out to her friends she's not doing the double life thing anymore and she blows up like it gains traction pretty quickly and kind of right around that same time is when she meets her first girlfriend enter miss cammy scott oh we love cammy scott we love cammy your birthday twin she is a birthday twin so is lex lex is my birthday twin yes lex our producer all of our little pisces babies march 11th so and i don't remember exactly how she meets cammy if it's i think it must be on the internet because Because they don't live in the same state. In true lesbian fashion, what do you think they do? They U-hauled? They long distance.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_00:

They long distance. And keep in mind, they're pretty young. Yeah, they're

SPEAKER_01:

like early

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20s. Yeah, because she was born in 90. Okay, you do the math. She was born in 92. This is 2012. So she's 20. Yeah, she's 20. She's 20, 21. So they're just graduating from college. And they do long distance, I think, maybe a year or so. I don't know. And then they moved to L.A. Because this is now really in the early parts of YouTube when it is that kind of era where people are like, what is YouTube? Is it working? Is it not? And also some people are really starting to blow up. They were starting to really take off. And at this point, were they YouTubing

SPEAKER_01:

together? Was it still just Shannon?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So once they– well, I'm assuming that when they– this is obviously, by the way, way before I was out. So I was not looking at any sort of lesbian or YouTube content back then. You and I have– wasn't

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either I wasn't like ever really a YouTube person

SPEAKER_02:

yeah

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but I had some friends who some other lesbians who were doing YouTube stuff and it was such a big thing in that era that like 2010 era of YouTube for like queer content was huge

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I mean I don't know if that's changed

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I

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feel like it's probably still a thing I mean I think every I feel like it's not like TikTok

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you know

SPEAKER_00:

well yeah TikTok is definitely really gay but I think every social app people were really

SPEAKER_01:

especially at that time looking for that long form content that like wanting you have to think about the time we're in as well

SPEAKER_00:

exactly

SPEAKER_01:

around that 2010 era first of all you know it was just starting to be the time where states were just starting to consider legalizing gay marriage like I think when in Minnesota it was 2012 was when gay marriage was legalized so it was like so many people were trying to connect with people across the country to find community because it wasn't safe still in most places especially in like you know more rural places

SPEAKER_00:

well because what year did you come out again I

SPEAKER_01:

came out in 2009

SPEAKER_00:

yeah so and I don't know the exact year Shannon ended up coming out but it would have been right around that same time

SPEAKER_01:

yeah

SPEAKER_00:

it's such a and I can't relate I came out in 2020 but it's like coming out in that time you're accepting I'll never have the same rights as people around me and that's okay

SPEAKER_01:

I genuinely in 2009 I genuinely when I came out I never thought that I would ever be able to be married that was the genuine state of the country and it was so wild wild how quickly things changed from there of like three years later living in Minnesota and they passed gay marriage it was wild because it was just like the year prior when the whole prop eight situation was happening in California and that was a train wreck so it was just such an interesting time so I think that's why it was such a big deal on YouTube

SPEAKER_00:

yeah and I think that's why so many people I mean okay to be clear like we said all of Shannon's girlfriends are super hot Kami is no exception she's

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gorgeous

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gorgeous and Shannon is really beautiful too. Yeah, she's stunning. So, you know, that bringing them together is already gonna be eye-catching, let's say. They have that pretty privilege where people are like, oh my god, they're so hot. And it's not that they were doing sexualized hot things. They're just two really beautiful people. And I think what people really found comfort in is just seeing oh, this healthy, happy, normal relationship of two girls just being girls and being gay. And that is really comforting. And they

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seem like really kind, Jen, and people

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and just kind of like silly sweet very I think that Shannon herself has even described it as like girl next door kind of vibe definitely you know she was a lot more femme back then Cammy has that vibe too well Cammy is queen femme like that is Cammy so yeah they just people really liked that you know where it's like oh okay you can and there was just this normalcy there that felt really comforting for people who didn't feel ready to come out yet so they moved to LA they pursue the youtube thing and it definitely works in their favor they're blowing up they're taking off and they end up staying together for it's so funny i'm looking at my notes it says cami 2012 to 26 that's obviously a typo to 2016 so they stayed together for four years yeah and not long before they ended up breaking up and i don't know if this was some foresight on cami's end or not but she had started her own channel luckily because they did end up breaking up and yeah then they made the breakup video that broke the internet oh so this is her first of many breakup videos and this was in 2016 so this was something I guess whenever they did a video together Shannon would say something along the lines of oh hey guys welcome back to my channel you know I'm Shannon and this is my beautiful gorgeous amazing and say all these things girlfriend Cammie and that was always how they started their videos so in their breakup video which was obviously titled something like we're breaking up or I don't remember exactly what it was titled but people already knew that they were breaking up just from the title alone she said hey guys it's Shannon welcome back to my channel and this is my best friend Cammie or my friend maybe she even said friend I don't remember and everyone was like no oh no the devastation literally hearts

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just broke across

SPEAKER_00:

America oh I mean I remember hearing about this video I don't know, years ago. And I wanted to just look to see how many views it had. It's not up anymore from what I've seen because when I was going back looking for this research, I couldn't find it. When I looked a few years ago, I want to say it had at least 3 million views. 3 million people watched that break-in video? Which is like a long form

SPEAKER_01:

content. How big is their channel at this point? Are we talking like half a million? Something

SPEAKER_00:

like that? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know exactly how big it was at that time. I know now it's over half a million. So probably I don't know, hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah, people were really upset. They were very upset by it. Just like, how could you do this to us? How am I supposed to believe in love if you guys can't end up together? Oh

SPEAKER_01:

my goodness.

SPEAKER_00:

And it just kind of gives you that first peek into the parasocial of it all. Of just like, guys, relax. And also, everyone is super young at this time. So her fans are really young too.

SPEAKER_01:

Imagine though, like... being Shannon or Kami at this time where it's like this is like your first real relationship you're also so young and you break up and that's the reaction that you get from your audience base like that must have been so overwhelming for them to experience

SPEAKER_00:

for sure and not only that this is 2016 so the internet this is less than 10 years ago but the internet was there weren't even Instagram stories back then just to paint the picture for anyone people are still shipping them

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today

SPEAKER_00:

yes they are which is so probably annoying for both of them especially cammy who's married married for like many years at this point and probably her wife is like seriously can you stop shipping me and my first girlfriend also remember how i taught you what shipping meant yeah i

SPEAKER_01:

didn't know what that was like two weeks ago

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but look at me use it in a sentence you're using

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it what's the origin

SPEAKER_00:

yes so but in 2016 it was like you everyone not just in the gay community i Everyone is figuring out how the Internet works of like, oh, yeah, I'm not just putting videos out there. There's like real repercussions and there's we're all kind of figuring it out. It's at this really strange time where people are maybe starting to see some blowback or mild cancellation ish things. But we're all still like, what is this? I think I started

SPEAKER_01:

deleting everything I ever posted on Facebook probably around like 2015, 2016. Exactly. I was like, oh, what's happening?

SPEAKER_00:

But imagine if you started posting when you're 20. you break up with that girlfriend at 24 that's already hard this is like your first and so by the

SPEAKER_01:

way millions of views oh my goodness

SPEAKER_00:

yeah you're you're so young first of all it's completely expected for people not to last that long second of all it's like you I don't I the thought just left my head again my brain isn't working today I didn't sleep last night but second of all it's like whatever I don't know you you have to um so this is the only thing that's kind of juicy let's say okay because we don't I didn't go back and watch all of these videos a lot of them were just kind of like silly whatever videos and they made their breakup videos And they're like, it's fine. We just grew apart. This is what I was going to say is to keep in mind that this was also Shannon's first girlfriend.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So really, I mean, she probably says her first love was that girl in high school, but this is her first like real love in a relationship. Kami had been out before she'd had a girlfriend, but still like your first adult love relationship, that heartbreak, that breakup is so hard, let alone with millions of people. Like, how could you do this to me? Yeah. You know, they say

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why they broke up.

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So they just said, yeah, you know, we just grew apart and we still love and care about each other. It was, you know, the most PR. Do we believe that? So this, remember that. Remember that this is going to come back around.

SPEAKER_01:

Someone's protecting someone else is what I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_00:

At the time, there were rumors, and this is all super, super alleged rumors that I've just seen whisperings about. Other people are like, that's definitely not true. That never happened. But people had said that there were rumors that Shannon had cheated on Cammie with this other This is like a Reddit

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rumor.

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I

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also,

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I don't even think on, I don't know where it came from, but I also think it's kind of weird to just be friends with a 17-year-old when you're 24. regardless but whatever okay so her and cammy break up you know who comes in next You don't know? Fletcher. I'm like, what is this place? I was blanking. Fletcher, of course. Yes. So do you know how they met? I don't know how they met. Okay, so I learned this. They ended up doing a podcast and that's where I learned more details of their relationship. So they had a mutual friend and Fletcher had been following Shannon for a while, a few years. And they had this mutual friend. Fletcher had said, oh, you are my internet crush. I was in town so Fletcher was in LA because normally she lived in New York and that mutual friend was like hey I'm going bowling with my friend Shannon tonight do you want to come and Fletcher's like yes I'm coming let's do this and because she was just so stoked to meet Shannon they hit it off that first night they ended up kissing and everything and then you know true lesbian fashion long distance again until Fletcher moved to LA and they really made it a thing

SPEAKER_01:

they did for a long time right like they also dated for four years okay

SPEAKER_00:

so yeah so they dated from 2016 to 2020 they were very on and off very i don't know if they use the word volatile but i think they like they say this themselves they were really on and off they would be doing the on again off all of that stuff it was the

SPEAKER_01:

first girl that fletcher had ever really dated right i think

SPEAKER_00:

i think so i i think she said she had had feelings for girls before maybe and i think even hooked up with them but yeah i believe it was her I think it was her first real girlfriend. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that was why, like, part of the reason why they broke up eventually is because she, like, wanted to explore more. Explore, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And, okay, so this is also a weird fact. They have the same birthday.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that is weird.

SPEAKER_00:

So she's gone from Cammy Pisces, your birthday, to now Fletcher Pisces, her own birthday. Okay? Wild. Which is just a weird fact. So the fans, so also for anyone who doesn't know, Fletcher is a pop star. yes at the time that they met she was very up and coming like not she was so

SPEAKER_01:

very small

SPEAKER_00:

yeah not at all very small venues yeah how she is now and she actually wasn't even out as queer when they first met to the public at least and then she had a friend they were all together at the beach one day they said they were just like drunk playing in the water and one of their friends had filmed them when they were just playing in the water and they were like wait this would actually actually make really good footage for your next video your next music video so fletcher ended up adding that footage in which was her kind of coming out to her audience so it was a huge moment for her and that was in her wasted youth yeah it was cool but oh

SPEAKER_01:

that that uh music video was really good actually

SPEAKER_00:

yeah so and but then of course everyone's like who's this girl that's with fletcher and they just they said nothing they never came out as publicly they never

SPEAKER_01:

confirmed their relationship before

SPEAKER_00:

four years. That's right. They didn't confirm it until they broke up. And this is, oh my, we'll get to that in just a second. Only

SPEAKER_01:

intensified the lore behind their relationship.

SPEAKER_00:

Because Shannon was coming from this place of like, I was just in this extremely public relationship. Everything was documented online. We made 500 million hours of videos together. And so it kind of makes sense. I feel like anyone does that in breakups where you swing the exact opposite way. You're like, well, I'm definitely not doing that again. And you do you know and so they didn't they didn't tell anything but they would they would kind of sprinkle you know give their fans little crumbs and do the little like oh a hand here that's her same hand because she has this ring you know whatever those little easter egg kind of things and then the internet sleuths are going crazy putting

SPEAKER_01:

it all together they

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know

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everything they should be like cia

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agents why don't they work for the fbi i don't

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know i

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don't understand it's impressive they and and i feel like the lesbians on top of it it's even more it's such a girl superpower to be a sleuth like are you edward snowden i don't understand what's the gay version of edward snowden i don't know but

SPEAKER_01:

that's carmen san

SPEAKER_00:

diego Is she a spy? I don't know what she was. Is Carmen Sandiego gay? Is it just because she's wearing a trench coat? Carmen Sandiego

SPEAKER_01:

is so hot. I don't know what it is about her, but I'm like, she was my cartoon crush, I think. That was your gay

SPEAKER_00:

awakening? Why was she so hot? Do you want me to wear a trench coat next time? Yeah, and that hat that she had. Ew, the hat. I can't. I can't. okay so all of the little gay Edward Snowdens figured it out and they're like they're definitely together um and yeah but they never confirmed it until do you know about the sex tapes oh I know about the sex tapes and it's not the sex tapes that you're thinking you

SPEAKER_01:

dirty little

SPEAKER_00:

get your minds out of the gutter so Fletcher came out with this EP that was called the sex tapes and it was a series of songs that all about their relationship were all written about shannon but all all of the music videos were shot by shannon shannon is a super talented photographer and i guess videographer as well and so she shot them and she was also featured in them so it was like the most meta breakup lesbian shit you've ever fucking seen okay ever they're

SPEAKER_01:

like you know what we're gonna do we're not gonna confirm our relationship but now that we're breaking up let me write an entire album do an entire video series about you and release it to the public

SPEAKER_00:

together

SPEAKER_01:

together now that we're breaking up

SPEAKER_00:

now that we're breaking up let's tell it and they then they released also old content of them voice notes text like they released all of this old stuff once they were broken up this sounds like my worst nightmare make it make sense I don't understand this is the only I mean for

SPEAKER_01:

Fletcher it's like it definitely skyrocketed her

SPEAKER_00:

career that makes sense you're you're literally monetizing for shannon why would you ever do this ever the only the only benefit of the doubt i can give both of them is this is covid this is 2020 everyone was a little cray like everyone had kind of lost their minds at this time i'm sorry shannon like i do not understand how you ever thought this was a good

SPEAKER_01:

idea i

SPEAKER_00:

don't know i don't know but they did it okay yeah What makes it even more interesting? So that's already like, why would you do that? That's crazy. Now you're going to have this influx of fans because they both have separate fan bases that are, of course, overlapping at some points too, especially once Fletcher came out as queer. But it's like they both have huge fan bases. And now they're like, we love you guys. You have to be together and the chemistry. Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Because now it's like you're broken up and now they have all this content just being constantly released about you. they're not going to be able to let it go so imagine

SPEAKER_00:

this is what i should have put in the would you rather would you rather be the one releasing that all of that content from a four-year relationship that was over releasing it to the public okay you have to do that release the voice notes the photos everything or be the new girlfriend that's dating shannon while she's releasing all of this stuff about her ex-girlfriend

SPEAKER_01:

i would rather be the one really because at least I'd have control.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So Shannon was already dating someone new. Of

SPEAKER_01:

course she is because she just jumps from relationship to relationship, a serial monogamist. Which I feel like is, is it gay? Lesbian gay to do that? Yeah. To not take time and space to process a breakup and like go into a new relationship healthy? No, we'll just jump right into a new relationship. That's totally normal.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, no, because I obviously don't really know.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I would say lesbians are known for their serial monogamy and jumping from relationship to relationship.

SPEAKER_00:

That's what I would guess because I feel like women in general, obviously there's tons of exceptions to these generalizations, but it's like women in general are usually the ones that are wanting the commitment. And the other person, if they're dating a guy, usually doesn't. Also,

SPEAKER_01:

we fall in love in three seconds.

SPEAKER_00:

We fall in love super fast. So it's like if women are dating women, then it kind of makes sense that you would just be constantly moving on quickly because it's like you're wanting that. Also, it's like love and affection.

SPEAKER_01:

Because of who Shannon is to the lesbian world, it's like she doesn't need to go on a dating app. No. Do you know what I mean? She's just going to have like hot girls who are like, you've been my lesbian crush forever. So it makes sense why she finds people quickly.

SPEAKER_00:

But that's not ever how she finds people. Well, I mean, I guess Fletcher said she was her crush before, but this is something that I will say is it would be, you don't want to date a fan. No.

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, you could have hot girls throwing themselves at you, but you're like, I feel like I would have trust issues. Like, are they going to take a picture in my bed and then like post it on the internet after this? You know what I mean? That would be super hard. That would be really hard. It's like, yeah, you don't have to go on dating apps, but you probably want to have some sort of filtration system happening, you know? Because

SPEAKER_02:

that

SPEAKER_00:

would be, it's a little bit, this is why celebrities date celebrities. It's the same principle. I mean, she really only does it. Okay, so this is... Kind

SPEAKER_01:

of.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I think that's probably... I would imagine, I'm just guessing, that's probably why she felt even comfortable with Fletcher because, first of all, she had that mutual friend and she was in the industry. Even if she wasn't a mega pop star yet, it's like, well, you're kind of fame adjacent too, so...

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, it's not going to be this like weird clout goblin. Can we

SPEAKER_01:

just talk about Fletcher for just one second before we move on from her? I mean, we're going to have to do

SPEAKER_00:

a whole more episode on Fletcher. I mean, she's...

SPEAKER_01:

She, her fame skyrocketed so intensely and she became such a queer icon that she made it into, can I not say it? I thought, are you going to say the song? No, that she made it into the new L Word Generation Q. Remember how she was featured in one of the episodes? That's when you

SPEAKER_00:

know

SPEAKER_01:

you've made it. Yes, she is now a queer icon.

SPEAKER_00:

Not because she was on Call Her Daddy, not because she's selling out these huge stadiums, but because she's on L Word Generation Q. It was amazing. Yeah, we will definitely do a lore episode on Fletcher especially you know there's a lot going on there a lot so anyways so she meets her new girlfriend Becky Becky's

SPEAKER_01:

so hot poor Becky

SPEAKER_00:

poor

SPEAKER_01:

Becky honestly I feel bad for Becky she's a

SPEAKER_00:

babe she's gorgeous I mean this is we're gonna say this about every single person I mean they're all beautiful they're all beautiful but so we're talking about how it must be hard to meet people and trusting people's intentions. So this is kind of strange how this happened. So Becky was living in Jersey. She ended up moving out to Los Angeles because some of her siblings were already living there. They were singers and actresses and doing all that stuff in the LA scene. And I think she said a few of them were queer. I can't remember. At least one of them was. And that one who was queer was dating Shannon's roommate or something, I think. And so she met Shannon that way and

SPEAKER_01:

it was like peak covid right

SPEAKER_00:

peak covid super organic just like oh my my sister's girlfriend's roommates coming out whatever you know something like that Becky didn't know she was queer she was dating a guy at the time she met Shannon Shannon was still with Fletcher so when they both met they were in a relationship just nice high cool whatever but Becky had no idea who Shannon was didn't know any of the lore hadn't seen the breakup video okay She didn't know anything about the whole Fletcher of it all. She probably didn't even know who Fletcher was. She probably should have

SPEAKER_01:

been a little bit more up to speed. She didn't know what she was getting into.

SPEAKER_00:

She didn't even know she was queer yet. How is she supposed to be up to speed? So then she ends up breaking up with her boyfriend. Shannon ends up breaking up with Fletcher and they kind of bonded over that because it's like, you know how it is. Me and you kind of bonded over this when we first met. We're talking about our breakups and you're like oh you can relate and it's just a really transformative hard time and next thing you know they're doing their thing okay what do you know about their relationship because I had you do some homework I

SPEAKER_01:

only know a small amount about their relationship

SPEAKER_00:

I had you do some homework and listen to an episode the only interview Becky has ever given which you should definitely go listen to it if you just type her we could even put the link in the show notes but if you type her name into the podcast app you'll find it so what do you know about their relationship how long did it take shannon to commit to becky like a year

SPEAKER_01:

which i don't understand first of all this girl is gorgeous seems like a really nice person so sweet and super smart yeah from what i remember she was like after like three months it's like they're spending every single day together they're not dating anyone else there and she's like everyone else calls you like says that i'm your girlfriend but like you don't call me your girlfriend like

SPEAKER_00:

why is that and this is by the way her first girlfriend her first love that's a woman

SPEAKER_01:

yeah

SPEAKER_00:

so that in and of itself when you're coming out and meetings and dating someone it's it's a lot it's confusing and if that person who you're dating has experience in the gay world it's like you have all the power in the palm of your hands use that power wisely yeah take care baby gays and so shannon's just like i'm not

SPEAKER_01:

ready which is totally

SPEAKER_00:

fair just fair of course okay you just

SPEAKER_01:

got out of a four-year relationship now you're in a new one okay she's like but it's like heading in that direction right she's like yeah so she checks in again at what like the six-month mark like are we like Are you my girlfriend? Like, I don't understand what's happening. No, no. Because we spend every day together.

SPEAKER_00:

This is what happened at the six month mark. They were drunk and Shannon finally says something drunk. Like, we're girlfriends now. And Becky's like, no, you're not asking me like this. Not drunk. Like, not. You're going to do it in the morning soberly. Like, I want the real deal. Not after all this time. Next morning comes and goes. Nada. Nothing. Come on, Shannon. Another six months go by.

SPEAKER_01:

Jesus. first of all why would you date someone for a year without like being in a relationship essentially like that's so confusing didn't she say in that podcast she was like crying about it every single night for like six months i'd be like why are we not in a relationship we need to talk about this like i think she did say that

SPEAKER_00:

yeah and then she also said that it created this anxious avoidant attachment because she's of course you're she's chasing shannon and shannon is obviously avoiding because she's just gotten out of now two back-to-back four-year relationships So it's fine to not be ready. And she was communicating that. So it's like, Becky, yes, could have chose to leave. But we all know how it is to be young and in love. And like, but they act like they love me. And whenever I say like, hey, why won't you commit to me? They say these things to make me feel special

SPEAKER_01:

or

SPEAKER_00:

buy me$300 gold earrings and be like, but you do mean a lot to me. You know, stuff like that makes it confusing.

SPEAKER_01:

especially when you've never dated a girl and now you're like holding them to a difference like you're like giving them leeway in ways that you probably wouldn't if it was a dude

SPEAKER_00:

yeah keep that in mind because that's important for the next relationship of a girl who has pretty much the same name so might get a little confusing but also keep in mind one month into them being together oh my god is when the whole sex tapes thing is happening

SPEAKER_01:

so sex tapes is launching and you're in a brand new relationship

SPEAKER_00:

with that person and and so she had warned beck this might be a little intense Becky's like oh yeah it's fine whatever again her siblings were artists and she kind of was aware of fandom and whatever wasn't prepared for what happened you know of just people being like we love you you guys have to be together and again she's coming out at this time figuring out herself her sexuality and

SPEAKER_01:

she's dating like the biggest lesbian on the internet and then the other biggest lesbian on the internet is releasing songs about her girlfriends with music videos of the two of them like every other month there's like a new song coming

SPEAKER_00:

out but she's also feeling like i want to be supportive because if i'm not supportive then i'm going to look like a shitty girlfriend and i want to be able to support you through this and

SPEAKER_01:

but this is also really hard to go through

SPEAKER_00:

and okay this is just what i want to say to every every girl out there who maybe is in love with another girl you don't need to support them getting over their ex that's not your job it's really not they should be over their ex before you're talking ideally this is messy okay just wait because we all know about a little song called becky so hot i know so this comes out in july 2022 keep in mind they started dating in 2020 right so and i think they started dating around mid 2020 if we're including all the talking time and everything so So they've been together for at least a year, a little over a year since until the song comes out, Becky's So Hot. what we both are

SPEAKER_01:

in november of 2020 do you know what happens tell me so becky posts a picture of herself a hot photo and she's wearing like a vintage t-shirt like a mustang t-shirt and i think she's like only wearing you know that in like underwear and like tall socks and it's just like a really hot photo

SPEAKER_00:

yeah

SPEAKER_01:

and fletcher fucking likes the photo

SPEAKER_00:

okay but the reason it's important is that that shirt's shannon's shirt it's shannon's shirt and becky had said to shannon before when she posted it she's like wait should i not post this and shannon's like no no no no one's even going to notice shannon how have you not figured out the gay edward snowden carmen san diego they're everywhere

SPEAKER_01:

come on how have you not figured this out so fletcher

SPEAKER_00:

likes her photo and likes it which is the most relatable thing in the world i mean to be clear fletcher is the true villain in all of this but that moment of creeping on the new girl your ex-girlfriend is seeing and accidentally liking the photo is just like, oh God. I feel that in my soul. So yeah, Becky sees that she likes it. She's like, what the fuck? And archives the photo because she's like, I want nothing to do with this. Her and Shannon are not public at this point. Shannon won't even call her her girlfriend. So she's like, your ex-girlfriend's liking my photo. Like, I don't want anything to do with this.

SPEAKER_01:

And now this is the inspiration for like the most infamous song ever

SPEAKER_00:

becky so hot almost a year later a song's gonna come out called becky so hot talking about her in the old vintage t-shirt with her fucking name in the title you know what i mean it's one thing to write a song about your experience and by the way at this point

SPEAKER_01:

fletcher is huge she is everywhere

SPEAKER_00:

like that song put her everywhere that song she was already in a

SPEAKER_01:

massive place at that

SPEAKER_00:

point she was but that song took her to a different level for sure that's literally for instance call it that's how she got on call her daddy is the drama surrounding that you know where it's like call her daddy's for the

SPEAKER_01:

straights yeah

SPEAKER_00:

so now all of a sudden the straights are talking about it this is no longer just in gay tick tock tick tock land no this is

SPEAKER_01:

taking over the internet

SPEAKER_00:

people are like who Becky you know it's like come on dude that is not okay that is not okay not cool and Fletcher will be like you know that like love has always been my muse and I can't help it and I just want to I just want to write about things that inspire me and it's like you can do that without naming them and especially Becky who has nothing to do with she's just dating Shannon

SPEAKER_01:

she's just a literal collateral damage she's just poor girl

SPEAKER_00:

a beautiful girl from New Jersey who doesn't know about any of this and now she's blasted everywhere everywhere and she was just a normal person for all this like she just had

SPEAKER_01:

like probably like a thousand followers on Instagram do you know what I mean, just a normal person.

SPEAKER_00:

And she said she was like before the song. And once her and Shannon were out, you know, online, she's like, it was normal. It was fine. Like, yeah, some of her fans came over and started following me and stuff. But like, it wasn't weird. It was normal. But when the song happened, you know that people are right back then to shipping Shannon and Fletcher. They've been broken up for two years at this point. Two years. So Shannon's also probably like... what the fuck I have clearly moved on I have a whole ass girlfriend and a whole ass relationship at this point and Fletcher is releasing these songs okay and I say songs because there were multiple oh

SPEAKER_01:

no Fletcher

SPEAKER_00:

so then there's also birthday girl they share the same birthday so it's like was it about her or was it about herself I don't know but you know people are gonna everyone knows the snowdens know that you have the same birthday so now they're commenting on shannon's like oh my gosh you know so there's that one and then and then oh

SPEAKER_01:

i remember i know where you're going this broke the internet taylor swift

SPEAKER_00:

yeah the heiress tour heiress tour so the song comes so becky so hot comes out in 2022 when okay a whole year later may 2023 is when they go to the heiress tour becky and shannon had tickets for different nights i don't know why but they did they're both in new york but they go at different nights shannon tells her after she's like i ran into fletcher there and becky's like are you fucking kidding me and these are her own words if she's saying she's like i knew she was just gonna be too nice about it and i knew that she wasn't gonna tell me how nice she was because she also wouldn't want to hurt my feelings and then fletcher's gonna write another song and it's gonna be a whole thing

SPEAKER_01:

Because basically Fletcher's been torturing them for their entire relationship. Intentionally or unintentionally, I don't know. But essentially it's like they can't escape it because it's like there's songs coming out every other month and then, you know, she writes the Becky's So Hot song and then all of these, she's like ruining their lives. She's like,

SPEAKER_00:

just when you thought you were over me, she just like pops up again. It's like a haunted house and she's just like this little clown that just keeps popping up. So Becky sees the hug heard around the world as they say yeah the same time as everyone else when it's going viral on tiktok because a bystander saw shannon and fletcher seeing the each other at the eras tour and giving each other a hug which apparently was very long and very intimate too long too intimate and they filmed it and it went mega viral obviously and becky sees imagine me becky this poor girl i just want to hug her becky we love you we're so sorry I just want to give you a hug I'm so sorry I'm so sorry so she says she's like I feel like it just like broke me you know it was just but they continued to date for a few more months but she was just at this point the anxious avoidant thing is strong you know because obviously and a few months later in September Shannon breaks up with Becky on FaceTime ouch I don't know why it has to be on FaceTime time but maybe that was for her own protective measure like I don't know I don't understand that after three years of being with someone I think that's a little shitty but whatever and then the next month they go to coffee just to kind of like have the closure talk and everything and Becky's like yeah it felt pretty good and Shannon asked her you know like are you going to talk about our breakup meaning online at this point Becky has a following as well and Becky's like no like I'm not planning on it you know I still respect you every you know it's all good and Shannon's like yeah me either cool like let's just keep this let's just kind of like not address it and people obviously know we're not posting each other anymore whatever you think she's learned from the public breakup video and then a month later a month later Becky sees Shannon's coming out with a podcast and the title is or the name of the podcast rather is X's and O's and the podcast description is something something something like take it from someone who's had three public breakups over however many years 10 years whatever it was so it's like you're you're now fully acknowledging the breakup in this launch of your podcast when you just told her you're not going to talk about so Becky's like are you fucking kidding me you know so then she asked Shannon she's like are you going to have Fletcher on your podcast and Shannon's like I don't think so but like if I do I'll let you know So she didn't lie. She didn't lie. But obviously she had

SPEAKER_01:

Fletcher on the podcast because we know Shannon at this point and she wants the views. So she's going to have Fletcher on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, so here's another fun would you rather. Would you rather be Becky seeing Fletcher on the podcast about three months later? So this is now March 2024 that Shannon has Fletcher on the podcast. Or would you rather be Becca, Shannon's new girlfriend, oh no no who shannon

SPEAKER_01:

and fletcher just gonna keep torturing new girls is this really what's about to happen her new girlfriend no come

SPEAKER_00:

on that's so messed up her new girlfriend who tell me if this sounds familiar shannon warned her this might cause a reaction oh this might be a lot and becca's like yeah but i love you and

SPEAKER_01:

i'm so dedicated it's okay support you because i want to be the best girlfriend do you need me to help you edit just torture me I got you Shannon

SPEAKER_00:

don't do this to another girl would you rather be Becky or Becca

SPEAKER_01:

I'd rather be Becca sounds like the new girl I'd rather be Becky I'm farther away from it because you're just oblivious you don't even know

SPEAKER_00:

okay but so here's the thing about Becca so this is Becca's the new the new girl okay who Shannon is

SPEAKER_01:

Becca Moore

SPEAKER_00:

this is Becca Moore Shannon met her the end of 2023 December 2023 broke up with Becky in September 2023 so it's been about three months longer I think than other times in between and and

SPEAKER_01:

Becca is not a normie

SPEAKER_00:

no she

SPEAKER_01:

has a big following

SPEAKER_00:

that's what I was gonna say so you said she's oblivious but I'm like she's not totally she's a tiktoker she has over a million followers so it's like she gets it you know she and Shannon tells her I'm having Fletcher on I'm doing this to promote the launch of my patreon like it is a full business move Becca's like I get it it's fine the thing about Becca is she's always also a baby gay

SPEAKER_01:

another baby gay she's never been in a relationship with a woman it is that she does love a baby gay

SPEAKER_00:

one thing about shannon is she

SPEAKER_01:

loves a baby gay

SPEAKER_00:

she and she doesn't like when you call them baby gays she made a video about it's not just

SPEAKER_01:

baby gay she loves to like find new bisexuals essentially

SPEAKER_00:

yeah i don't know if they have to be bi i think i think it's it's coming from that same place that we were saying where it's like but they don't they're not tainted by the lore they don't know all of the stuff yet and i can see how that would be comforting where you're like it's a clean slate they're not gonna know all this stuff about me and then she just destroys their lives and then she ruins their lives so the other thing about becca is she's much she's 25 when her and shannon meet and shannon i think at this point is 32

SPEAKER_01:

32

SPEAKER_00:

33 yeah so she was 32 when they met so it's a lot younger too so she's a baby gay and she's she's also just younger you know 25 is young not fully formed prefrontal situation so even though she has some experience on the internet and in the public eye it's like she's in love with her first girl and her first girl is the main lesbian you know so of course she's so excited she's so stoked the most stoked you've ever seen it's so cute I want to be

SPEAKER_01:

excited and happy for her but I have a feeling where this

SPEAKER_00:

is headed so like I said they meet at the end of 2023 Shannon commits to her a little faster than Becky took her about six months this time not 12 so progress but this is the thing this is the thing and we learn this in Becca's podcast that she shares post breakup okay so during their relationship she like pretty early on before they were fully committed to each other they were exclusive i think it was around march maybe feb no i think it was in it was in february it was in february the month before she does the podcast with fletcher she goes out to a bar with becca her exclusive non-girlfriend because there's so many steps to being girlfriends now okay they're out at this bar they're drinking they are go to this party together she so much so together Becca's phone is in her back pocket kind of together Shannon

SPEAKER_01:

has Becca's phone

SPEAKER_00:

Shannon has Becca's phone in her back pocket like a good non-girlfriend does okay do you think she goes home with Becca that night oh no or do you think she goes home with Becky that night Becky so hot is back in the picture no oh no but this is my favorite plot twist of all and this also doesn't come out until later you know who else saw this whole thing happen and made a video about it carmen san diego vanessa from the ultimatum

SPEAKER_01:

this is the thing about the queer world that people don't understand until you've been in it for a while is that it is so small like too small

SPEAKER_00:

painfully painfully Painfully small.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, my God. Because it's like Shannon can't get away with anything. Because why would you ever think you could get away with that? You went to a lesbian bar. All of those people are tracking your every move.

SPEAKER_00:

You went with your non-girlfriend girlfriend. She can literally track your move because your phone's still in your pants. Her phone is in your pants. So she can literally track you. She's looking for her own phone. I don't know if that's what happened. So that happens. And she went home with Becky. She went home. home with Becky so hot okay what Shannon Becky so hot also made a video about this after and Becky so hot made a video a few it was a few months later and I can't remember if it was after Shannon and Becca had hard launched already or not but Becky had made a video you probably don't know about the aura ring trend because you just learned what a Roman Empire was but she made this video being like how many aura points did I lose when I was laying naked in my ex-girlfriend's bed when she told me that she was dating someone else or so it was something like that and everyone's like huh huh OK, so she made the video. Vanessa made the video. Vanessa made a video the whole year later being like, so this one time she didn't name any names, but everyone knew who she was talking about. I am

SPEAKER_01:

speechless.

SPEAKER_00:

So needless to say, you know, when you when you start a relationship like this is not going to end well, probably the same anxious avoidance situation. Right.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm just sensing a trend that like, although Shannon's been out like on the Internet for a long time she doesn't know how the internet works she also doesn't seem to like learn lessons very quickly

SPEAKER_00:

yeah no it's not her strong suit it feels like she's for sure a lover you know what i mean but it's like and then it just it's it almost it reminds me of like a dude thinking with their dick where it's just like how how are you not seeing beyond what's happening right in front of you right now like you have to know this has these repercussions that ripple out i get it

SPEAKER_01:

it's hard

SPEAKER_00:

i've been there yeah but you know something about thinking with other body parts but

SPEAKER_01:

once you kind of get into your 30s like you more or less start to figure things out even just

SPEAKER_00:

for your own sake for your own sake you're getting a lot of feedback you're getting

SPEAKER_01:

annihilated on the internet

SPEAKER_00:

but so she tells becca because becca's obviously having a hard time with this you okay it's like a ross and rachel situation and we were on a break you know it's like the technicality of it like we weren't girlfriends yet but you were exclusive so she's like look Becca if you can't get over this then we can't date because I you know like I can't undo what happened so you either have to get over it or we can't be together and Becca's like

SPEAKER_01:

while that's true that does feel manipulative

SPEAKER_00:

it's

SPEAKER_01:

like it is that is true like but also like can I fully express my feelings on this matter and can we actually work through this or are you just shutting me down

SPEAKER_00:

exactly and we don't know this is from Becca's side of her podcast Shannon hasn't really clarified stuff so you know just putting that out there but it's like okay Becca's in love with you she's a baby gay too she's just a she's so cute also very beautiful I think that goes without saying this is a trend and it's just like I'll do any I want to be with you you know Becca says but also like I'm really hurt I'm really hurt but I also

SPEAKER_01:

feel like I can't really say anything because I want to be with you so I need to just like shove

SPEAKER_00:

down my feelings and move on with you like I want to marry you like she's like I thought that that's what I was gonna end up with like I thought this was it for me this is not only her first woman relationship this is her first relationship in like she's never done anything other than long distance she's never had a relationship longer than a few months because she's young she just doesn't have a lot of experience in general gay or straight and so you know it's like her first big big real love so of course she thinks we're getting married this is it and Shannon's like well then you gotta get a this you know obviously it's hard to get over so come December 2024 do you think that Shannon was like let's just fizzle out let's do the thing I did with Becky we'll just stop posting each other the internet will figure it out or I know maybe I could do the same thing I did with Cammie and make a breakup video an hour-long breakup video which one do you think she did she

SPEAKER_01:

doesn't

SPEAKER_00:

do that does she it's come on why she said fuck learning from the past I'm gonna make a breakup video and that's what they did it was on Becca's podcast titled we're breaking up and it was a full hour long maybe even a little bit longer where they talked about why they were breaking up and this video broke the internet not for the reasons that Cammie and Shannon's did where everyone's like no we want you to be together we love you it broke the internet because Becca went on there and said we're breaking up because I am just coming to terms with the fact that I don't know if I feel I don't want to put words in her mouth but along the lines of like I don't I'm I can't accept having a baby with a like that's really hard for me to wrap my mind around right now

SPEAKER_01:

she basically said like I want to have a child that's 50% mine DNA and 50% like the person I love and am married to is DNA and And I don't know how to accept that otherwise. And so I don't know how we can move forward if we want to be married and have kids together, essentially.

SPEAKER_00:

So as you might imagine, if you haven't already heard this, you know that that is probably eliciting some sort of response in you right now. It can make you feel super defensive. Anything fertility is a hot topic if you're talking about now queer for and natural versus non you know these words that get thrown around people get very angry

SPEAKER_01:

yeah I think the internet was very mad

SPEAKER_00:

so pitchforks came out for Becca they're like fuck you I mean the amount of videos on TikTok of just like dear Becca Moore you think that my baby isn't valid just because it's not 50% and it's like I don't think she said that and to be fair on the podcast Shannon always also said she's like I totally get it I had a hard time accepting that too when I first came out it took a while for me to accept because my whole life I thought it was going to be one way and now it's going to be this other way and that comes with this kind of like grieving process

SPEAKER_01:

1000% because it's not fair it's not fair it's yes it is the way that the world works but yeah do I want my baby to be half you half me oh my god of course of course yeah and I totally understand why she feels and if that's how she feels like honestly I support her in that if that's like genuinely how you're feeling like and you have that choice like

SPEAKER_00:

and

SPEAKER_01:

she

SPEAKER_00:

was saying you know shannon is in her 30s i'm quite a bit younger than her i don't if she is ready to have babies anytime soon and i'm still just coming to terms like i don't want to hold her back yeah you know mature so it's like okay she got ripped to shreds so now she just posted her breakup video with her first love and

SPEAKER_01:

whose idea was it to do the breakup video

SPEAKER_00:

interestingly question interesting question so she's getting ripped apart going through the breakup the internet's like fuck you Becca and everyone's like oh my god Shannon and and this was the other thing that was really messed up everyone's like I knew that Becca wasn't even gay I knew she was straight this whole time oh come on have you ever heard of a bisexual why did why do we have to go there internet I don't get it let's it's like 2025 we don't need to speculate she we don't even need to speculate because she's she has never said she was gay she says she's bisexual hello I don't it exists it's real so if she does end up having babies with a man it doesn't mean that she never had real feelings for like come on I don't need to spell this out so That narrative goes for a little while. Three months later, Becca comes out with a video and she's like, I'm telling my real side of the story now. Because also in those three months, so that was December 2024. Sometime I think it was January 2025, Shannon releases a podcast with a girl named Tefi. And everyone senses this mad chemistry between them. Like it was just this something, something, something.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

As you might guess, Tefi is gorgeous so um not a Pisces not a baby I don't know about that um but they were like what's going on Shannon and Ted and then all of the little gay Snowdens start tracking their every move and they're like oh my god they're at this concert together and they're even though they're like not posting together but they see an elbow that they can reverse google search Shannon's up like it's crazy stuff they're doing and Shannon and Ted you're spending a lot of time together it is okay and it's they're probably together so becca's like what the fuck so the same fletcher said the same thing you moved on really fast it hurt me becky said you moved on really fast it hurt me now becca's like are you fucking kidding me so three months later she releases a video that's like this is my real side of the story that's not why we broke up i said that because i was protecting shannon because basically she broke up with me because of this reoccurring fight we were having she never said what the fight was but she just said this reoccurring fight we were having I still wanted to be with her so I kind of just threw myself under the bus and said this was why we were breaking up hoping that maybe we would get back together or never really break up kind of thing if I didn't want to make her look bad I didn't want people to think anything bad about her so I just that's what I said and so it was her idea but she didn't run it by anybody else she showed the video to Shannon and Shannon's manager after it was recorded and they were like yep that looks great she also showed it to two of her queer guy friends and they said Becca do not post that video and she was like why and they're like that is not don't do it and she's like the

SPEAKER_01:

queers are not gonna like that opinion

SPEAKER_00:

Shannon and her manager are both lesbians so she's like I trust them they're not and she loves me and I love her and we would never do anything to hurt each other because after they posted their breakup video they kept dating for a month so they were still fully together and so she's like she loves me she tells me this every day she loves me she's not gonna fuck me over nope so she's getting slaughtered online and Becca's like can you please say something like just say something to you know like hey I whatever it needs to be and Shannon is like my manager won't let me and Becca was like like you're manager tells you like what you can and

SPEAKER_01:

can't do

SPEAKER_00:

she's like your manager's on your payroll you can tell her what you know she's like are you fucking like you can't even leave one comment in one video of anything nothing so finally she makes a video that's when she tells about the bar and leaving with that's when she spills all the tea that we didn't know before okay okay so they kept dating after the breakup video for a month spending the whole time together true lesbian fashion I love you so much I'm gonna miss you so much this like long drawn out breakup and then Shannon is going on a cruise so Becca's like you know I love you same same old same old they're crying in each other's arms the night before she leaves for the cruise because they're gonna miss each other so much Shannon tells her she loves her she goes on the cruise Becca never hears from her again after a year long relationship Shannon just poof

SPEAKER_01:

never like just never responds to her texts again.

SPEAKER_00:

Ghosts. Gone. And Becca didn't try texting her like, hello, because she has too much pride for that. Go, Becca. We love. But, you know, so she's like, she ghosted Becca. She's now starting to see this other chick, Teffy. And Becca's also getting annihilated. So then she finally releases her truth. And Then Shannon got like semi canceled of people being like, what the fuck? You know, this is not cool. You're not as good of a person as we thought you were. So

SPEAKER_01:

people start coming for Shannon

SPEAKER_00:

now. So as you can see, it's a real roller coaster existing online. Okay. And just the kind of last things to wrap it up. At the same time, Cammie and her wife unfollow Shannon. Cammie starts posting photos with Becca.

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

Becca goes to to coffee with becky becky so hot yes becky makes a video about it with the tiktok sound that's like what do you know what do you know what do you know and the text over it says like when you go to coffee with your ex's ex and you know like figure out what the other person knows or something like that that's spicy and shannon i wonder what shannon was thinking about all that she's kind of well she ended up stopping her podcast she's sort of backpedaling off the internet I'm sure she's like, this is a lot. This is a lot for me right now.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you think she understands how she's created these situations? The bed that she's in, she made it.

SPEAKER_00:

I have no idea because I don't know her. You know what I mean? I'm like, I would like to think that she knows that, but I have no, it's like. The

SPEAKER_01:

only thing to be fair to her is that her fans are, they're crazy. Okay. And so I do feel bad for her in some ways, but also like you did make your own bed.

SPEAKER_00:

And this is what leads me to my who's the problem. Who is the problem? Is it Shannon or is it the internet, the fans? You know what I mean? Because it's like, should she be able to exist and fuck up freely the same way that by the way all of us most of us I should say did those mistakes in our 20s and we didn't we were not perfect and we didn't do things right and we maybe cheated on people or didn't commit like all of those things it's like yeah that sucks but we've kind of done a lot of people have done stuff like that you know or is it the parasocial fandom of it you know should she be allowed to just do that and share that. I don't know. I don't know. So you guys can vote. Who's the problem? Shannon or the fans? What do you think? I think she obviously has faults for sure. Like I just listed some of them. I don't think she's a bad person. This is a hard choice. I think she doesn't sound like maybe the best partner right now. Yeah. I don't think she's a bad person. I think she's fucked up. No, I don't think she's a bad person. You know, the internet is a lot. By the way,

SPEAKER_01:

Shannon, we're so grateful for you.

SPEAKER_00:

Again, thank you for your service. Thank you for your service yeah we really it's and all the girlfriends who have put it all out there keep making the videos

SPEAKER_01:

because there's a really there's a strong wake of just beautiful girls that are heartbroken by shannon beverage

SPEAKER_00:

as we talked about last week there's never enough representation in the media we have you know one queer reality show this is its own little reality show yeah so thank you for your service

SPEAKER_01:

she's done a lot for the queer community too

SPEAKER_00:

exactly she's helped so many people be comfortable in their sexuality to come out she's provided so much comfort and inspiration and empowerment and affirmation for sure and representation to so probably tens of thousands of people maybe more you know and that is that is major you know and it's like will that all be overshadowed by her relationship faux pas maybe TBD we'll see let us know what you think

SPEAKER_01:

okay that was amazing do you want to know what my this a problem is yes okay so in our house we have a lovely master bedroom and we have a big closet but it's not a walking closet oh my god okay and basically this closet has these sliding doors okay you can picture it it's really big it takes up this giant wall but you can only open it so far it's like if you slide it to open one side then it closes the other sections closed And so I'll be at the closet, you know, thinking about what I'm going to wear on my side of it. So it's open for me so I can see my section and I'll be thinking about what I'm going to wear. And right as I'm about to grab a shirt, my wife will just shove the closet door. So my section closes completely. Shove it. I just open my side. Right as I'm about to grab a shirt. And so this drives me up a wall, as you can imagine, because I'm trying to get ready for work or whatever I'm doing. And she's just like, you're taking too long, whatever. And And so I want to know... Is the problem my wife or is it the closet doors?

SPEAKER_00:

Or is it me?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't

SPEAKER_00:

know. Yes, I was going to say, please let me provide a third option, which is you, because I begged you to get new closet doors, ones that folded. So we didn't have this problem and you said, no, we're not going to spend money on something like that. That's right. I'm not going to pay

SPEAKER_01:

for that.

SPEAKER_00:

So you, you are the problem. No, you are

SPEAKER_01:

the

SPEAKER_00:

problem. We have a solution to the problem and you refuse to pay for it. Why

SPEAKER_01:

can't you respect the time in which I have the door open?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, looks like the time is up. Looks like the time is up. I want to know what you guys

SPEAKER_01:

think. Please tell me you're on my side. I need backup support.

SPEAKER_00:

We love you guys. Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_01:

See you next week. Great job, honey. We love the Lord.