251, Buckeye Legend, Dick Vance!

  Mention the name Dick Vance around the northern states, and you are immediately greeted with the word LEGEND!   Since starting his sporting clays journey in 1984, Dick has racked up numerous accolades including All American, National Pump and Senior Vet Champ, along with countless wins. To list all his accomplishments here would take several paragraphs. None the less, Dick is a legend and it was an honor and a privilege to have him on the show!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:36

Welcome back, everyone, and welcome back, Mr. Largen in charge. What's up, Sean?

SPEAKER_05 0:41

Well, it's definitely been a while, Jason. How have you been?

SPEAKER_06 0:44

I've been good, buddy. It's been a hot minute. Now you and I talk all the time, but everyone's been asking, how's Mr. Sean doing? How's Steph doing?

SPEAKER_05 0:51

Well, been busy. Steph and I have been, we actually had her follow-up one-year visit with her neurosurgeon last week. Sad to say, we didn't get the news we wanted to get. She's had two brain surgeries in the last three years to try to correct the issues that she's been having. And at this point, the main problems have been fixed, but she still has some residual issues, like her balance is off. She kind of walks like a drunken sailor. She has some nausea problems still, and that's all because basically of her brain stem had been compressed for such a long time, and they didn't diagnose this problem for a long time. So, like any kind of nerve damage, the longer it goes, the less likely it is that it's going to repair itself. Now, the the surgery was successful and everything is flowing, the fluids uh flowing through her spinal column and up through her brain and into her skull like it should be. But the main problems we're dealing with right now is her brain stem issues. And you know, it was a tough pill to swallow that to know that she's not going to be able to have any more surgeries to get anything. I mean, it it's not that we wanted to have surgeries, but we kind of had hope that there would be something to be able to remedy and get her back to where kind of she sort of was, or maybe partially where she was, but her and I both had to come to terms that, you know, it's going to be a challenge moving forward, and she's going to be dealing with this for the rest of her life. And, you know, that that was a tough pill to swallow because there's obviously a lot of things that we still wanted to do, but it's just going to change the outlook on things a little bit, and we're just taking it day by day.

SPEAKER_06 2:15

Well, and you know, Sean, I I every time we talk, I'm telling you about somebody that, you know, ran into the tournament. You know, they're praying for you and staff, and you send their best. And there's been, you know, and I don't mean to bring up bad news on the podcast or anything, but everybody's been asking.

SPEAKER_05 2:31

So No, and that's fine, man. I don't mind talking about it. I mean, again, I'm not going to get really in depth with everything, but uh, you know, it's it's been a long, hard battle, as most people that I that I'm close to know. And uh it's it's just you know, it's just it's frustrating to where you've been through so much, you hope for the best, and then sometimes things don't work out, but hey, that that's life. I mean, you know, we all know that that happens. I I know a lot of people, you know, struggling with cancer, struggling with other diseases and issues, and and you know, it's not always you're not always guaranteed a fix. So you just kind of got to take things as they are and do the best you can with with uh with the time you got left.

SPEAKER_06 3:05

Right. No, I I completely agree, man. I do. I I understand. I mean, I'll never know what you're going through until I have to go through something like that. But I mean, I you know, I can I can level with you, right? I get it, you know.

SPEAKER_05 3:17

It's it's and I hope nobody ever has to deal with anything like this or anything else like cancer or any of those other horrible things that people deal with on a daily, but it definitely puts it in perspective and it puts you in the driver's seat when you're when you're dealing with it face on. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:31

Well, tell me some good news. You got some good news for us?

SPEAKER_05 3:34

Well, yeah, I was gonna say uh aside from all of that, about a month ago, I did get some some really good news for the family. My son Hunter is actually him and his wife. We we are gonna be grandparents, so that's something I'm looking forward to. And they're gonna have the kid, I think it's around November 1st, is what the doctors were claiming. So we'll see how that all pans out. Excited about that, hoping to get a little guy or little gal out and you know, spend some time with grandma and grandpa. So I know both of us are excited about that and what that holds for the future.

SPEAKER_06 4:02

I I am so glad you dropped that bomb, dude. I have been sitting on that news for a month. It's like, come on, son, you gotta tell everybody, man. I'm excited for you, you know.

SPEAKER_05 4:11

Yeah, but my son likes to keep to himself. He's like, you know, don't tell everybody and stuff. I'm like, well, okay, but at the same time, it what's done is done, and eventually people are gonna hear about it. So I guess it ain't no big deal if he gets mad at me for saying anything. Well, I'll deal with that too.

SPEAKER_06 4:25

Well, I think anybody that knows you will agree you're gonna be a great grandpa. And the the first thing we gotta figure out is when you're getting him his first gun, right?

SPEAKER_05 4:34

So all his parts in the works. Don't worry. I got well, I gotta see. They're not far enough along to know whether it's a boy or a girl yet. So I gotta kind of wait and bide my time and see what to see what's gonna come down the pipe here, so to speak, and then I'll make a decision once once I know that. Because I don't want to get a girl gun for a boy or a boy gun for a girl. So I just gotta gotta be patient. So I'm not the only one. Everybody in the family's like, oh, what's it gonna be? What's it gonna be?

SPEAKER_06 5:01

So right. We need to call, we can need to call up Heather over at uh Bear Pal and see if she can make you a onesie air now.

SPEAKER_05 5:09

So yeah, yeah, that'd be cute. That would definitely be cute for sure. But that's that's a bit of silver lining in the whole deal, so that was good to find that out. But uh, I know it's been a minute since we talked, dude. You've been busy too. I've been meaning to follow up with you about everything that went on with uh Eric Trump and the Dead Pearl Blast. You've been a busy guy in my absence, so uh fill me in on that. How let's start with the dead pear blast. How did that go?

SPEAKER_06 5:33

Really good. I think the date killed it. You know, I just talked to Tracy Wright about there last week on the show. The date killed it. It really did. But we had one of two choices. It was either do it that date or they couldn't do it at all, right? It was the only weekend they had available. But everybody that came had a blast. I mean, you know, if I didn't hear it once, I heard it a hundred times is you know how much fun it was. And every it seemed like everybody won something, right?

SPEAKER_05 5:57

Good.

SPEAKER_06 5:57

You know, Taconic was gracious enough. Not only did they give a bottle at every winner, but we also provided for a cocktail hour Friday and Saturday night. We had a lot of fun, you know, sitting around hooping and hollering. And every man, I mean, over$15,000 worth of products that the sponsors really stepped up and gave away. And then I think total payout for a little hundred-person shoot, we were almost, I mean, just a hundred dollars or two hundred dollars shy of eight thousand dollars payouts. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_05 6:28

I mean, that's that's what we've always wanted been to keep doing. And so I'm glad it went well.

SPEAKER_06 6:32

Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to the one at Rocky Creek. I think the date's gonna coincide a little bit better. It's gonna be, you know, towards the end of the year, everybody's calmed down from the big circuit stuff, and and I think we're gonna have a lot of fun. I really do. And I and I'm hoping you can make it that one. I obviously you have your hands full, but you know, hopefully you can make it down because I tell you what, that Rocky Creek. Well, you know how Jake is about running tournaments, right? Oh, I know. I know. But that Rocky Creek is our it was sensational to begin with, and now they've opened up all this new ground and all these new roads, and Jake was driving around showing me, and it was it's gonna be just that's gonna be one of the country's premier gun clubs. Really, it will. That's killer, man.

SPEAKER_05 7:12

I'm glad to hear that. Glad that he's doing well down there, and sounds like he's definitely got the ball rolling.

SPEAKER_06 7:16

Yeah, but the deal with uh you asked about Eric Trump, the deal with him. I mean, ever since we've had him on the show, what, two and a half years ago, him and I have been texting back and forth and we've talked a few times. And I was asked by Matthew Gay, the owner of Clay Shooting USA, Trap Shooting USA magazines, if I would write an article on the most interesting guest that we have. And I really thought long and hard about it because we've had, I mean, everybody that's been on has been awesome, right? And it's really hard to choose. And I thought, you know, I thought it would be kind of cool to do somebody that's not one of the pros in shooting, but somebody that really gets in as passionate about shooting as we are. And Eric just kind of fit that bill, you know. No disrespect to any guest we've had on, they've all been wonderful. I've loved it. But Eric kind of it was it was a little unique, you know, okay, whatever on the whole political famous thing. But Eric himself is a person, and that's one thing I will say about that. When we finally were able to get together, we went down to South Florida shooting club and shot there. Two stations in, you would have never have known that he was the president's son. You would have never known that this guy is, you know, rich or famous or anything else. Just act like a regular guy, huh? Dude, he was one of us. And laughing and hee-hawing and cussing and having a great time. And I mean, never mind a secret service that looked like ants all over the place, but but yeah, such such an outstanding, cool guy to be around, lots of fun to be around. Handed him his Kohler demo gun, beautiful gun. If you haven't seen the pictures, go check it out. If they're all over the social media, and got him his two atlas traps, took those over to the Trump ranch, and he is wound up, excited, wants to do it again. So hopefully we'll have some more coming on that soon.

SPEAKER_05 9:05

But uh be cool, man. I wish I could have made it for that one, but obviously, you being in Florida, me being up here in Ohio, that doesn't coincide very well. So we'll have to see maybe one day down the road with the stars align, I can maybe meet him. That'd be nice. He's a he seemed like a good guy when we had him on to the original podcast, and I just I'm glad you had a good time with him. I'm glad he enjoyed himself. I'm glad he really, you know, was able to let his hair down and just kind of relax.

SPEAKER_06 9:26

I mean, honestly, uh, we probably could have shot the rest of the day and he would have been all about it. You just unfortunately had to meet as you can imagine.

SPEAKER_05 9:34

Oh, dude, he's got a schedule like, you know, I think I'm busy. I'm sure he's 12 times as times the the busy as I am.

SPEAKER_06 9:40

But you know, I mean, uh look, uh regardless of okay, let's just leave politics the hell out of this, okay? Regardless of where you're I mean, for me it was a huge honor. I mean, I got to shoot with the first family, you know. I mean, that was just something I was really giddy, nervous, excited, all that stuff, until it seemed like we got a station or two under us and we're doing some shooting. It was like, I'm just now I was just full focused having a blast. I mean, the guy was that cool to be around. But yeah, hopefully something coming soon with that. But hey, Sean, you've been gone for a while. You want to do a tourney talk for us?

SPEAKER_05 10:17

Well, heck yeah, I think I still remember how to do that.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

All right. It's tourney talk. Brought to you by Scorechaser.

SPEAKER_05 10:28

All right, guys, we got the Delaware River Classic at Eminem. That's gonna be September 25th through the 27th. It is now open. The Dead Pear Blast at Rocky Creek, as Jason mentioned just previously. That's gonna be December 11th and the 12th, 2026. Waiting for you guys to sign up. You guys get in there and get your spots picked early because I guarantee you that one's gonna be a big one.

SPEAKER_06 10:48

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SPEAKER_05 10:57

I'm gonna go up there and look. I got a couple of uh samples you sent me, so they're looking good so far. You'll have to go check it out and see what else you got.

SPEAKER_06 11:04

Yep, for sure. Just go over to thedeadpear.com and click on the swag button. It'll take you right to it. Sean, I'll get you some of those Hawaiian shirts coming. I'm telling you, dude, those things are they're like a real silky, smooth, like, you know, real comfortable shirt, but it's a Hawaiian shirt and it's got the dead pear logo all over it.

SPEAKER_05 11:21

Oh, that's that seems like maybe right up my alley, no pun intended.

SPEAKER_06 11:23

So tonight we're talking to Mr. Dick Vance. He is an Ohio legend. This guy has been around for a very long time, can get it done with a shotgun. My goodness. I'm gonna let him speak for some of his accolades. But he's taken uh he's introduced a ton of new people into the game, and he's he's definitely has earned his spot on this podcast and many other places. So if y'all bear with me here just a minute, we'll get Mr. Vance on the phone. The Dick Dick. All right, everyone. Help me welcome Mr. Dick Vance from the Buckeye Legend. I'm gonna call him the Buckeye Legend, Sean. What do you think of that?

SPEAKER_05 12:02

I like it.

SPEAKER_06 12:03

Mr. Vance, welcome to the show, sir.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_06 12:07

Uh Mr. Vance, would you just kind of start us off? Tell us how you got involved in clay target shooting. Where when did that start and how did that start?

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Actually, I think I started I started shooting when the Elkhorn Lake Gun Club put up a s a small 50 bird sporting clays range, you know, hand hand traps in 1984.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

And yeah, 1984 they put that up six miles from me. And I shot it a couple times with my friends and a gunsmith or a gun stock maker friend of mine. And I really liked it and uh it didn't do real well the first time we actually shot for score. But it kind of hooked me, you know. And after that I started shooting a little bit more, and I finally got to shooting a lot over there. Register first registered birds I shot, I joined the NSCA in September of 1992.

SPEAKER_05 13:16

Okay. So so Dick, prior to that, I mean, so that was your first experience in sporting clays. Were you shooting like trap or other clay sports before that?

SPEAKER_01 13:25

I've shot trap a few times and I I wasn't I just wasn't crazy about it. And I pretty much I I hunted ducks. I hunted ducks and bees. And I was more of a hunter than a sporting clay shooter until until uh you know I got into it.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

Well, we know a lot of people like that that actually are hunters and they kind of shoot sporting clays through the summer to kind of polish up on their shooting skills, obviously. So it does go hand in hand with that, and I can completely understand. But that's very cool that you know it's been that long ago that you kind of got first a first taste of that, and and it's nice to see that it grew into something that you became very passionate about.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Yeah, yeah, it it was one of the things about it was I'm you know, I wasn't crazy about shooting better than my friends, but I w I wanted to break every target, you know. It was just uh go think about it and you say, Well, what what did I do? What did I do wrong? And I've always I'm not one to go shoot a whole bunch of shells. I like to I like to think about the target, what's what it's doing and then think about why I missed it and you know the sooner you can figure out what you're doing wrong, the better your score is gonna be. Right.

SPEAKER_06 14:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 14:49

Well m Mr. Vance, did you travel a lot back then or did you kind of keep it close to home when you were shooting?

SPEAKER_01 14:55

I well initially when I think I started shooting, I shot in Michigan quite a bit the first in ninety in ninety uh two and ninety-three. And then by 2000 I was shooting in Florida and Georgia and Texas. And in ninety four I shot my first nationals in ninety-four. But in the in the late nineties I started shooting a lot more.

SPEAKER_06 15:24

So who were the who were the big names back then? I mean, obviously we can all go look it up and see who won, but so who were the some of the big names around your area back then when you were shooting?

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Well, John Krueger was uh was around here quite a bit. And I shot with John some. That was, you know, one of the things that I did when I would register to shoot when I was like a D class or a C class shooter, I would say um on my registration when I would please place me with master class or no, actually would have been double A class shooters because I wanted to I wanted to shoot with better shooters so I could see how how they shot. And they would always put me with Wendell Cherry or they would put me with uh Anthony Matterice and those kind of shooters, and I got got to I can't help it, they give you a lesson when you shoot with Oh yeah, if you pay attention for sure. For sure, especially especially Anthony. Anthony Matarese was very helpful. He was young, you know, he was he was not very old then, but uh he would see me struggle with something and he couldn't help but tell me what what I needed to do.

SPEAKER_05 16:42

Well, that's definitely a good thing, and that's what we always say about this sport. It seems like people are always willing and eager to help you if you're having a problem, so that's that's awesome to hear. Well, back in those days, like what was your home club? I mean, so Elkhorn, I guess, was your was your home club?

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Well, that's six miles from me.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Yeah. Well that was my that was sort of my home club, but then these there's four clubs that shoot on a rotating basis every Sunday in northwest Ohio. And now I'm gonna have a little trouble thinking of the names of all of them. Indian Ridge is one over by Canton. Rice Creek is another one. Can't think of the third right now.

SPEAKER_06 17:24

Well, some so some of the clubs in Ohio back then, Sean and I used to shoot at were like Holtry Holler, H Hidden Haven.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_06 17:33

Those clubs are long gone now, but I remember going to a lot of those clubs back then.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yes. I went down to Hidden Haven and Ron Blosser came out and personally showed me how to shoot Feetusk. And Ohio I was hooked immediately on Feetusk. And that to this day is my preferential game.

SPEAKER_05 18:01

Well, that's that's awesome. Jason and I were kind of going through b some of your back stats before we got you on here that that's on the NSCA, and definitely look like you were a guy that traveled around a lot and did a lot of shooting. So like in the early 2000s, I mean, were clubs like Hillendale and like South Cuyahoga, maybe Cardinal, were those clubs that you frequented often back in those days?

SPEAKER_01 18:23

Yes. Yes, those those clubs, yeah. Always tried to go to them. And uh well, you know what? And also the one down in Kentucky Elk.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

Elk Creek Creek?

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Elk Creek, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

I shot there quite a bit too.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

I I think I shot the Nationals uh ten times. Nine or no, nine times. Tommy Thompson shot it ten times because he shot it one more time than I have.

SPEAKER_06 18:59

Well, you know, you you mentioned when you were shooting with Anthony or Wendell, one of those guys, it was kind of like taking a lesson. Now, coaching is something that has always been around, but it wasn't as common for shooters to go to a coach until maybe like the last 15 years or so. Did you take did you take any lessons back when you were coming up?

SPEAKER_01 19:18

I did. I took one from uh I took a lesson from Jim Arnold, and Jim was coaching that time in Ohio down at Mad River. And he you know, he told me, he says, you know, one of the things he says you are trying so hard. He said, You gotta just relax with it. He said, You're he's and he really taught me one of the things when it's most important. Act like it's not important. And uh for me that worked.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

Yeah, sometimes you can't take yourself that seriously, because I think you actually do yourself a disservice when you when you try to do too much or you try to focus too hard. I think you gotta be a little relaxed in this game and and then you'll shoot your best if if you can make that happen.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

Yeah. And I have always done well in shoot-offs because I I'm able to say, well, you know what, I'm relaxed because at least I made it to the shootoff. And uh I've done well in shoot-offs by using a relaxed method.

SPEAKER_06 20:21

Well, I I think I think Brandon stole that from your arsenal, Brandon Powell, because that's one of his things is you know, you need to shoot like it doesn't matter when it matters the most. So I it sounds like he stole that from you.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

I think so, you know, and I shot with Brandon when he was probably he was a teenager for sure, you know.

unknown 20:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Yeah, they his dad and his mother used to bring him down to Yale Creek there in Kentucky when we shot the uh boomerossias and cystic fibrosis shoot.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

It would bring all those I mean they called us pros in and shoot with teams, and uh Brandon was always down there. And he he was a great kid, but he had he he was funny. He had he had a lot of zipping in that.

SPEAKER_06 21:13

I've I've uh I've seen some videos and heard some stories, so we'll just leave it at that. So Mr. Vance, did you did you do any coaching yourself? Did you help anybody?

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Yeah, locally here at the local club I would. And a lot of that was people that bought it, actually people that were pheasant hunters. And some people had bought a new shotgun, couldn't even put it together. You know, a lot of that. I didn't really coach expert shooters very much very much. You know, there was there was people that wanted to shoot with me, but a lot of it was, you know people hunting more.

SPEAKER_05 21:52

Okay. Yeah. Let's change gears. Since you've got so much experience under your belt, I mean throughout all of your years of computing. I mean, what are some of the biggest changes you've seen in the sport? I know that Jason and I, his dad got us started into the sport back in the early 90s, and you know, we were accustomed to the handset traps. And I know a lot of things have changed since there, but or since then, but you know, from your perspective, what do you think some of the big changes have been since you got started?

SPEAKER_01 22:22

I think one of the biggest things is the uh the the young people shooting, you know, the I can't remember the letters S T P C or whatever that they shoot down at Cardinal.

SPEAKER_06 22:33

Yeah, S C T P. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Yeah. And you go down there and see all of those kids come from all over the all over the country, and and there's just always new new people coming up that are really good shooters. I think and a lot of ladies, a lot more lady shooters now.

SPEAKER_05 22:52

Yep. What about like on the technology side? Like, I mean, obviously traps have gotten better, guns have gotten better. I mean, there's a lot of that's that's changed things as well. I mean, just people going from semautos to over-unders or or vice versa. I mean, that's that's been a big change in the sport too, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Yes, it has. It's got a big change in sport. They you know, of course the over-unders are still, to me, the the gun you can shoot, but like in my case, I had a left shoulder repair and couldn't even couldn't even lift my Caesar Green, and I started shooting a Benelli 28 gauge semi-auto until I could shoot uh I finally worked up to a 12-gauge Benelli. And so it's keeping an 84-year-old man shooting, is what it amounts to.

SPEAKER_05 23:44

That's awesome.

unknown 23:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:46

So so let me let's let's take the good and the bad here. So what do you believe changed for the worse? Do you like is there anything in the sport you're like, man, we went the wrong direction on that, or we shouldn't have done that? What is there anything you think is bad?

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Well, I I guess not. I and and uh I've been called uh that I see roses everywhere too. I've been people think that I've you know everything is just wonderful. So I don't really uh people have been good to me. I've lived in a good time and I've had a good time. So it's a little hard for me to say, but I don't see anything going the wrong way, really.

SPEAKER_06 24:28

That's good. I'm glad to hear that. That's awesome. What would you say has changed f what's the best thing that's changed? Like what's changed for the better? The the the thing that stands out to you the most?

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Oh well, one of the best things is definitely the the computer age of coming home and not waiting for the mail to come from Grindr Switch in nineteen eighty-four when I shot down there at the uh Fitask Grand Prix. Grinders Switch had a club down there, wonderful club. And I shot in that event, come home, and heck it was I bet it was twelve days until I got a package in the mail that showed me where I finished.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Really?

SPEAKER_01 25:13

You know. And that was down in Tennessee. And that was one of the nicest clubs I ever shot at was down at Grinders Switch.

SPEAKER_05 25:21

I'll be darned. Yeah, that definitely things have come come far. We we all have uh like things like score chaser now, the tips of our you know, fingertips just ready to look up. I mean, within minutes of of finishing a shoot, you can figure out where you stand with everybody else, how bad you did or how good you did, whichever way that goes for you. So that's definitely a big change.

SPEAKER_06 25:39

Well, well, shoot, Sean. I mean, Casey's got live scoring now at the Nationals for the Pro Squad. It's live score. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 25:46

It follows and tracks while the event's going on before it's over with. That's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

And and that's almost too good because it's a temptation to watch what what you're doing while you're shooting.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

I can see guys doing that a lot for sure. You turn in a good scorer, and it's hard not to not to look, see what good it was.

SPEAKER_06 26:09

Yeah, I could I can definitely see that.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:12

Well, well, Dick, what about, I mean, over your long career, what are some of the accomplishments that you're most proud of that you've achieved?

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Well, I well, one of the things I'm proud of to start with is I got to shoot with George Digweed at the lobster shoot in Rhode Island, and I can't name remember the name of that gun club. But George Digweed flew in with a helicopter and got squattered on the prelim event that I just signed up for, and I got to spend some time and shot with him, and that was that was pretty good. Had my picture taken with it. And heck, we about look like we're brothers, about the same size.

SPEAKER_05 26:57

Gotcha. Anything else stick out to you?

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Well, I got picked on Team USA and I went to Australia with Team USA in uh 2009 and shot the FTASC World event over there in Australia. I think I ended up 13th in senior supervet or whatever they called it back then. Senior Super Vet I believe it was. And I shot I won at the Nationals, I won the pump gun event and I can't tell you what year it was, 2007 I think. Yeah it was. The Ohio Cup I won that in 1999. One of the things I am most proud of is the year I won that Ohio Cup. I started out shooting and I missed eight birds out of the first thirty-five targets that I shot in that event. And I never missed another bird. And I won the event with a 92. And just taught me that taught me a good lesson right there. Which is, you know, just don't ever give up because you had a crummy start.

SPEAKER_06 28:14

Yeah, that that Ohio Cup, I remember when dad and I and Sean, you know, all of us were shooting back then. That Ohio Cup was a very prestigious event. That was probably as covenant as the Ohio State shoot was back then.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Back then, yes, it was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 28:31

That was a that was a big deal. It really was. In fact, I think there was a couple of years that the Ohio Cup had a bigger turnout than the Ohio State Championship did. So I mean I didn't know that. Yeah. It was only for a couple of years that it did. Of course, it's all tapered the the opposite direction now. You know, we're over 600 shooters or well, right out of just over 600 shooters to the Ohio State shoot by the time it's done, and Ohio Cup, you know, you're lucky to get 100 now.

unknown 28:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 28:57

It's gone the other way. But that was that was a big event back then, and I I'd have to go back and look at the records, but I think I was at that event. But yeah, that's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

Yeah. I uh that's that's one of my favorite stories to tell is missing eight birds out of the first 32 or 35, and then not missing anymore. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 29:19

That's incredible. I I now see I can't I can't do that. I miss eight birds and I'm a train wreck the rest of the event, so good on you for doing that.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

I don't know how it how it works out either, but I I think maybe I just relaxed and thought, oh, it's over, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:37

And wound up helping yourself by doing that, probably.

SPEAKER_06 29:41

Yeah. Well Mr. Vancey, I mean, you're you're being very modest here. I we I know from the stories I've heard, you've been a very big part of introducing and helping others get started in the sporting clades in the Buckeye State. What does it mean to you when you see the joy that it brings to other people when they first start breaking targets? I mean, it's it it has to be fulfilling to you, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Oh yeah, it really is. When you when you see that light come on in someone else that you've helped them do it, it it like you say, it's fulfilling. It it it makes your day. That's for sure. Especially once in a while you get a like a young I can remember one young gal that was just learning to shoot and and all all of a sudden she really she really caught on and and it's it's just um amazing when you can kind of get somebody going like that.

SPEAKER_06 30:38

Do you do you still get the opportunity to get out and shoot? Do you still shoot a little bit?

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Yeah, actually I'm just now I haven't even shot a registered word this year, but I'm I'm signed up to shoot to stay shoot and the V Tusk event. I had a uh what they called a hip abduction surgery where I had torn muscles in my hip and they and actually they call it they anchored four of the muscles that are in my hip onto the femur. And so I have only shot a little bit at uh some of the little local clubs. I have not shot a registered bird yet, but I'm I'm gonna get out there and do it pretty quick here.

SPEAKER_06 31:23

That's awesome. Well, we had Mr. Jim Lowry on on this program. He's elderly gentleman down here in Florida that sold the golf clubs and bought a shotgun and has been out shooting sporting clubs, and he's I think Sean, correct me if I'm wrong, he's 86 now. I believe so.

SPEAKER_05 31:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:40

I honestly I can't go to a tournament down here in Florida where he's not there. Like yeah, he's just he just ate up with it. He he didn't find the sport until you know very late in life. He was you know very successful, retired, was gonna golf, and found this program and found shooting, and just is just tearing it up, and he loves every minute of it. And I love seeing it. I think it's awesome. You know, yeah. I I I think it's I don't think for people you can find a better sport.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

You're right. People are great. They are. The thing the one thing that I noticed now at my age, I used to sign up to I'd I'd film film my entry thing, you know, every shoot everything I could. At my age now, I can shoot a hundred birds pretty good. But I a hundred birds a day is enough.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

For my for my concentration and my energy level.

SPEAKER_06 32:39

Yeah, no, that makes sense. I mean, uh shoot it. I'm half your age and it burns me up, so I can only imagine, you know. But good on you, though. I I I can't wait to see you at the high state shoot this year. I'm looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Oh yeah. Well, I'd I'm signed up and I'm planning to be there.

SPEAKER_05 32:56

Goodbye. That'd be cool. We'll definitely have to look, track you down, and and uh shake your hand and introduce ourselves to you. I I was gonna ask, you know, the neat thing, well not ask, but you know, just state the fact that the neat thing about this sport, which I think is you kind of pointed out earlier when we were talking, when you get squatted and like let's say you don't go with a group of your buddies and squad with your buddies when you go to a tournament, the neat thing is you get introduced to all kinds of people, all walks of life, you know, just like you got to shoot with George Digweed and Wendell Cherry and guys like that. That's I think to me, that's one of the unique things that you can come into the sport as a beginner and go out there and and not knowing that you'd be squatted with you know one of the top names in the sport. And you know, obviously you don't want to take that over the top, but like you said, you can sit there and watch them shoot, pick up on little things if you pay attention, you know, how they stand, how they set up to shoot. But on top of that, I mean, I personally, and I know Jason as well, has met lots of people that we would have never met or known or become friends with just because of this sport.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yeah. And one of the things that I've always is amazing to me is I'll shoot with somebody and eventually find out that they're in they're in law enforcement or they're doctors or they're they're lawyers, and they're just as common as as I am, you know, and in every way. And that that's kind of it's kind of a I don't know, a leveling thing where where everybody's the same in a in a in that way aspect.

SPEAKER_06 34:31

Yeah. Well, and a name you know, Mr. Tommy Browning, yeah. He he made the statement. He said, There are no strangers in Sporning Clays, only friends you haven't met yet. Yep. And and he's absolutely correct. I mean, he really is. I mean, it's you know, every time I get squatted with somebody new, I I feel like I've you know been introduced to a new friend. I mean, it's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

I have shot Fiatus, I've shot Fetusk for I think I started in '94 traveling shooting Fetusk and I shot every big Fetusk event that I could get to, you know, I would fly to Hopkins and and those places. And so many of the Fetas shooters are very, very concentrated on their game, but the minute it's over, they're just perfect friends.

SPEAKER_06 35:21

Yep, I agree a hundred percent.

unknown 35:23

Mr.

SPEAKER_06 35:23

Vance, we do something on the show called Rapid Fire, and basically we go through like your gun, your gear, all that kind of stuff. You want to do that with us real quick?

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Yeah, I'll do it with you, but uh remember I'm shooting a different I'm shooting a different gun than most people will now.

SPEAKER_06 35:39

Well, that's okay. We can go through both. So let's let's start with the gun. What are you currently shooting right now? What gun are you shooting?

SPEAKER_01 35:46

I'm shooting a Vanelli Ethos 12 gauge 30-inch barrel.

SPEAKER_06 35:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Semi-automatic, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:55

Yeah. What was your over-under that you competed with before that?

SPEAKER_01 36:00

A Cesar Guerini. I've been shooting a I had been shooting a Caesar Guarini for uh since 2009. Oh, an interesting side to that too. Uh before the Caesar and I can't think of the guy's name that started the company, Wes something. Wes down in Florida at the uh I can't think of his name, the Seminole Cup. The Seminole Cup in 2000. Wes Lang is his name. Wes Lang had he come up to me and said he I had a shotgun he would like for me to shoot and tell him what I thought of it. And I said he'd give me the shelves and uh sent me out to shoot and I had nobody with me, and I said, Well, could he do it too? And he said, Yeah. Anyhow, what it was was the Caesar Greene prototype before they started selling them. And then he had me fill out a little check sheet of what I thought of it. But anyhow, that's uh originally that was where we he was doing that down there at that time.

SPEAKER_06 37:04

Wow. That is cool.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:08

That is very cool. So now let me ask you this either your overunder or your Benelli, does either one have a custom stock or you just run a factory stock on it?

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Actually, uh uh like the Benelli, I just use a factory stock with the adjustments that came with it.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

And the uh Caesar guy did have a little bit of work done to the original stock that came with it.

SPEAKER_06 37:30

Okay. Let's go on to your shells. Like, do you have a favorite brand or what's your favorite recipe or shell that you run?

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Well, I I like the Winchester A's. And the Redmingtons, STSs.

SPEAKER_06 37:45

Okay. Are you an ounce one ounce guy or an ounce and eight?

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Uh one ounce. I shoot mostly one ounce.

SPEAKER_06 37:51

One ounce.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Because I I don't want to have to carry extra different shells around for fee task.

SPEAKER_06 37:56

Yeah. So are you seven and a half or eights?

SPEAKER_01 37:59

I like eights. I shoot more eights than I do seven and a half. I shoot seven and a half when I think it's a rabbit or a uh longish bird.

SPEAKER_06 38:09

Okay. How about your glasses? What kind of glasses do you shoot with?

unknown 38:14

Boy. Was it?

SPEAKER_01 38:16

I don't have it right here and I can't tell you.

SPEAKER_06 38:18

Was it SGS? Is that who it was?

SPEAKER_01 38:20

Yeah, yeah, it's it.

SPEAKER_06 38:21

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

You're right.

SPEAKER_06 38:23

So there are they prescription then? Is that what No. No? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

No, I did I had my cataracts fixed and had lenses put in for distance, you know. So had my cataracts fixed so I could see far away.

SPEAKER_06 38:38

Gotcha. Um I wish I could have that surgery. I need it badly. How about your hearing protection? Do you just run the standard foamies or what do you run?

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Oh, I got uh ESPs from Granny.

SPEAKER_06 38:53

Oh, okay. Granny showing? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:56

Are you a vest or a shell bag guy?

SPEAKER_01 38:59

Yeah, I shoot with a vest. I I just like having all the accruments with me, you know.

SPEAKER_06 39:04

Yeah. Okay, now we we always ask this question, w what's in your bag? And what we're looking for is like something odd that somebody, you know, like a lucky rabbit's foot or something like that that somebody might not think, you know. Or we've had a lot of interesting stuff. For example, one of the first ones we had that was really interesting was Brad Kidd always carries a rosin bag with him. So do you carry anything interesting with you in your in your shooting bag?

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Not well, uh eye drops. That's about it.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

Eye drops and try to have all the things that you need. You know, when you're shooting a semi-automatic, you when previously when I shot a st a different semi-automatic, you needed a few parts with you.

unknown 39:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Vanilla doesn't leave me down. You know, only time I ever did I had a show that had a hump in it that I didn't see and wouldn't feed it. That was the only time that's ever happened in the last four years.

SPEAKER_05 40:01

Wow. That's awesome. Well, Dick, let me ask you this, since we're we're gonna be w winding this up here. You know, after all your time in the sport and everything you've done, how do you want people to remember you, you know, going forward?

SPEAKER_01 40:17

Well, I just I just hope that I don't know. I hope I didn't ever insult anybody or anything. And uh I I just want to be remembered as somebody that loved to shoot. And uh, you know, you when I still when I go to bed at night, I still dream about shooting, you know.

SPEAKER_05 40:36

That's that's awesome. That's about the perfect answer.

SPEAKER_06 40:39

Yes, that is that is just so cool. Mr. Vance, you've been very humble about this. There's a ton more accolades that you have, and we really appreciate you spending some time with us this evening. You're an amazing shooter, and you you've definitely earned every right to be on this show and and every Clay Target podcast there is. So we we appreciate your time, sir, and thank you very much for joining us.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Thank you. I appreciate you calling me. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 41:11

Well, Jason, I'll tell you what, man, I I can't remember ever running into Dick anywhere over all the years we've been shooting here in Ohio. I'm sure we've passed each other just without knowing who we were. But my goodness, that guy uh looking back, we were just kind of looking at the uh the stats on the NSTA and some of the stuff he's done. He was a little too humble, I think, in what he was.

SPEAKER_06 41:32

Yeah, Ohio State Hall of Fame inductee, 2009 All-American team. I mean, come on, dude. This guy's got tons of Ohio Cup champion. I mean, it goes on and on and on. Pump gun champion, national pump gun champion. I mean, look, this guy's got a shotgun and you're right, he was just way too humble. But you could tell just by the interview, super, super awesome guy. You know, I'd love to be okay with him.

SPEAKER_05 41:57

Yeah, I really would. Yeah, probably looking forward to meeting him come Ohio State again.

SPEAKER_06 42:03

Yeah, yeah. And thank you to Stan Rue who suggested online to me. Actually, I've had several suggestions for Mr. Vance, and thank you to the people that wrote to us and those that spoke online to Harry of him because you're right, he definitely deserved a spot on the show. And that's what I said on that, you know, as we were getting wrapped up there with him. He deserves to be on all Clay Tiger podcasts. I mean, the guy's a legend. Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I'm gonna deem this episode Blackeye Legend, Mr. Dick Vance.

SPEAKER_05 42:31

There you go. Perfect. He got got a problem solved. Didn't even know you were gonna do that.

SPEAKER_06 42:35

There you go. You know, but hey, I uh yeah, like I said, I look forward to seeing him when we go up to high state. I remember him, Sean. I actually seeing his pictures like I remember seeing him at Chutes. And uh I I don't remember Kloback in Ohio Cup days. I mean, obviously he got it done, but I remember him for the last probably 10 years seeing him at some shoots down there. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

Well, just never got introduced, so it would have been nice to put a name with a face earlier.

SPEAKER_06 43:02

Yeah, well, you know, you're you're kind of like you don't have the memory I do.

SPEAKER_05 43:06

No.

SPEAKER_06 43:07

I mean, you have you you have you got a lot more room in your brain for more important things, but I have, you know, I'm the epitome of useless college, so I got like this memory.

SPEAKER_05 43:15

But now that I'm a grandpa, it's only gonna get worse. So uh, you know, that's that's I'm gonna gonna feel as old as my name implies.

SPEAKER_06 43:22

Well, well, hopefully you'll forget some of the stories that you and I have when you're talking to your grandchild.

SPEAKER_05 43:26

Well, we'll have to keep them PG 13 until I get over here.

SPEAKER_06 43:30

You're right. I'll spend my I'll have my lawyer say you're in NDA. Well, hey, you know, each and every week we talk about taking someone new shooting, and that's the perfect example right here.

SPEAKER_05 43:42

Absolutely. I mean, this guy basically said everything that we say week in and week out, the the feeling, the reward feeling that you get when you actually help somebody start shooting sporting clays, and then you see it click, you see the light come on in their eyes, and they're like, oh yeah, that's it's fun. You know, and and that is. I mean, anytime if any of you guys out there listening to this podcast, any of you guys and gals have ever helped somebody get into this sport, which I hope that all of you are doing it or going to be doing it, because again, that's what we preach week in and week out. That's how it's going to grow. But what a feeling. I mean, to know that you helped that person connect with the bird and it got them excited, got you excited. And it really is. It's a it's a fantastic, warm, fuzzy feeling that I've done it many times with many people, and I tell you what, it never gets old.

SPEAKER_06 44:28

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SPEAKER_05 45:17

No, I'm still white Rhino guy. I like the big bag.

SPEAKER_06 45:19

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SPEAKER_05 45:38

Not yet. I've been looking, been anxiously looking. So hopefully they're on their way. And uh, I'll be definitely anxious to give those a try because me and my big bucket head, I've been waiting for something a little bit larger to wrap around these eyeballs.

SPEAKER_06 45:50

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SPEAKER_05 45:54

Oh, you mean they actually listened to me gripe and they actually did something about it? Okay, well, that's nice to know that that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

SPEAKER_06 46:03

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SPEAKER_05 46:04

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SPEAKER_05 47:04

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SPEAKER_05 47:43

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SPEAKER_05 48:15

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SPEAKER_05 48:32

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SPEAKER_05 49:44

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SPEAKER_05 50:37

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SPEAKER_06 50:41

Absolutely, absolutely. Well, Sean, listen, man, I know you got a lot going on, and I appreciate you spending some time with us. Everybody's been asking about you. Everybody's concerned about you and Steph. So, you know, good news, bad news, but hey, look, we'll keep rolling with the punches. Everybody's praying for you. You know, you got my support. We'd love to have you come back anytime you can.

SPEAKER_05 51:02

Yeah, absolutely. And this was fun. I mean, again, I was like riding a bike, didn't forget how to do this. We'll try to get back in here as soon as often as we can right now. Just kind of got a lot of stuff going on, a lot of moving parts. But again, I appreciate everybody out there that's uh given that's called me or reached out to me or given me support. Means a lot. And uh obviously we're just trying to kind of get through this the best we can, and we'll we'll do what we can as far as the shooting stuff goes. But you know, family takes priority, so yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:27

No, totally understandable. Well, listen, I have tried so hard to fill your shoes wrapping this show up, and I epically fail every week. So I'll let you take it until next week, my friend.

SPEAKER_05 51:37

Can't wait to see y'all back here on the Dead Pear Podcast.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

We'll see you next time on the Dead Pear Podcast.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

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