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263, Where's David? ! w/David Radulovich!

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  It seems whenever we go to a tournament, we are always asked, "Where's David Radulovich?", "Have you heard from him? Is he ok?". Well folks, we finally caught up with him. Pre-warning! This is not your typical episode with David! This one brought some good laughs, some new developments, and even a new segment! We think you will enjoy this episode, for sure!

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SPEAKER_04

Welcome back, everyone. And listen, we've got someone returning to the show. And yes, he's a world champion shooter, but there's a lot of things that people, some accomplishments early in his life that people don't know about. Okay, not only was he captain of the football, baseball, hockey, and golf teams, but he was also Pram King three years in a row and valedictorian, all while being homeschooled. He drives an electric car because he's such an extreme environmentalist, and he's currently calling us from a charging station that's powered by a coal-fired power plant. You can say he's as good with a shotgun as he is with the phone, as both of those performances have been kept top secret for years now. Parazi gave the man a sponsorship just to get the proprioception talk out of their showroom. He changed his bare pop vest faster than Superman in a phone booth, and he spews out words out of his tourist faster than a politician. After 18 months of smoke signals, messenger pigeons, and a SpaceX satellite tracking him down, we finally got him back with us. Welcome back to the show, David Radolovich. How are you, David?

unknown

What?

SPEAKER_02

Oh my god. That was so that was so hard to try to be quiet listening to. Oh my god. That was quite possible. No, that's not quite possibly. This is undoubtedly the best intro I've ever had in my life. I wish that Scott Robertson read that when he'd intro me for the PSCA TV shows. Oh my god. I'm gonna have to put that on my resume. Maybe I'm I'm in the middle of designing my website right now. I'm gonna put that as like the that's gonna be like the on-screen, like immersive text as you scroll through like the cinematic hero page.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I figured you're gonna talk the whole show, so I might as well get mine out right at the beginning.

SPEAKER_06

You gotta get it in quick before I get on a roll.

SPEAKER_04

Oh man. Well, listen, I I promised a lot of listeners I'd keep you on the leash this show. But um, hey, before we get started, everyone, I just want to remind you um, first of all, no attorney talk this week. And also Neil Chadwick's contest, the $500 entry fee credit to the nationals has now grown. He's also going to include a $500 junior entry. Get over to show um $259 uh and listen for the details and get us those entries. Just send them to me. I'll make sure Neil gets them. Okay, so for this week's Make a Break update, the 2026 North Central Regional wrapped up here. Well, it's been about two weekends ago now, at Northbrook Sports Club with some great matchups and the top gun shootout. The event took place Saturday night at 6 30 with the top eight shooters in level one, which is your A through D, and top eight shooters in level two, which is your Masters through AA, taking the stage to see who would come out on top. In level one bracket, we saw Nash Blythe face off against Caleb Hull, with Caleb advancing after beating Nash 44-27. Next up, Ellery Kelly stopped Tony Shively 25-15. Kirk Davids managed to move past Spencer Block 34-33. For the last semifinal match, Tyler Seach beat Jamie Williams 32 to 14. Following that, Caleb stopped Ellery, who ended up taking third, beating out Tyler Seach. For the final match in level one, Kirk managed to stop Caleb and take home first place. In level two, William Brown beat Ryan Coch 33-32. Brandon Powell beat AJ Diamond 48-39. Blaise Whitehead beat John Brinkoff 40-23. Eric Shellen beat Michael Sasson, excuse me, 45-30. Brandon would go on to face William Brown, sending William face to face with Eric Shellin in third place match where Eric beat William 33 to 31. That left Brandon and Blaze to face off for the final where they stood off in a rhino choke shootout after tying on the final pair. They both managed to break the seven on the first attempt, but Blaze fell short on the second, leaving the door open for Brandon, who capitalized and crushed his seven to win. You can check Facebook and Instagram at MakeA BreakOfficial to see the qualifying scores in the top gun shootout. Also want to remind everyone trap sales are very, very, very busy right now. I've been getting a lot of calls. If you want traps by late summer, early fall, give me a call. We'll get your order put in. But it is busy season. If you need an Atlas trap, a Rainier Claybot, or a modular tower system, give me a call. Send me an email. I'm easy to find to get a hold of. David, I've been asked this question about 300 times. So we're gonna dive right into it. Everybody's asking me, where's David? Is he okay? How's he been? Where's he been? Tell us what's going on, man.

SPEAKER_02

Uh well, first off, I have to say, um is Jules like behind you with like a cattle prod or something because this is the most organized to any any start of a podcast I have ever had. Like, I mean, this is uh you uh what's going on? Are you okay? Just be quiet for five seconds if you're if you need help.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

So what are you what are you supposed to do? Like write something on the mirror so when they when the steam comes up, it's on there or whatever.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh no, uh I just I don't know. After 260 some episodes, I finally figured out how to do this, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

That's alrighty. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04

It it's hard to believe. We're starting in November, we'll be starting year seven.

SPEAKER_02

Wow. Are you serious?

SPEAKER_04

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_02

Good for you. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, still trucking line. I missed the big man being here, you know. Um we we got to crack up on each other, which is probably why I picked on you so much because I have my buddy here to pick on.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it was it, it was it was compiling up there for you. You gotta get it out.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, I still I I just talked to him yesterday, and you know, we still talk probably three, four times a week just because we're friends, you know, we've been friends forever. But man, he is so daggone busy. I mean, he just he barely got time to breathe for the fourth of July holiday, you know. I feel for the guy, and it's understandable why he doesn't have time to to join us, but he he expressed he misses it too, you know. He misses talking to everybody and seeing everybody, and I mean, hell, he's not even getting a chance to go shoot here lately. So it's um it's understandable. But no, back to what's that, David?

SPEAKER_02

I was just gonna say that that's the cool thing about the way that this whole shooting world goes, is that you know, I mean, you look you look at all the all the people that we all you know grew up in the game with, and everyone comes in and out. Um, and but when you come back, it's like you never left, you know. I mean, it really is the greatest group of people that I've ever been a part of, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02

When things calm down for him, we'll welcome them back. Maybe maybe we all will, but I don't know about you, Jason.

SPEAKER_04

And of course I'll welcome him back. Hey, you know, you were you were talking about that, like Sean and I started shooting with my dad in the early to mid-90s. And I was going through my wife just came back from Ohio. She went up there and helped my mom move some stuff. And don't worry, everyone, this relates to sporting clays. I'm getting to it. She brought back a bunch of my dad's paperwork, and I found a letter in there from DuPont Kriegoff, and I shared this with Kimball uh and with Sean Mainland. I found a letter in there. I didn't know that they used to carry both Kriegoff and Kohler. Um, and this letter was from DuPont Kriegoff saying, you know, Jerry, which was my dad, uh, Jerry, we hope you found the brochures for both Kohler and Kriegoff shotguns. You know, uh, we're here to help you through your purchase. My dad was getting ready to buy either a Kohler or a Kriegoff right before he passed. So and then I found this this will blow you away, David. You know, we had our own traps at the house, manual traps. Um we had a little tiny course set up when we didn't go to a club. How much do you think my dad was buying cases of targets for? This would have been this would have been ninety five or ninety-six was this price?

SPEAKER_02

Probably like probably like um uh they were probably around seven or and seven seven or eight cents a bird.

SPEAKER_04

Um well it wasn't broken down by the bird, it was broke down by the box. They were Laporte Targets, which were the big mainstay back then, and it was um six dollars and fifty cents a box for 135 targets.

SPEAKER_02

135, yeah. Wow. Yeah, I was a little off. Yeah, a big difference. I mean, same thing with ammo, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I found a receipt. Um, we used to drive out to Indiana Gun Club every year and buy a bunch of reloading supplies, and apparently they had a sale on um double A's and Remington STS. When I say we used to go out, I mean like six or seven of us would drive out there with pickup trucks and bring back like a ton of shot. Yeah, you know, case eight-pound kegs of like cases of eight-pound kegs of powder, and you know. Anyway, there was a bunch of flats of ammo in there, and the double A's were forty dollars a flat and the STS were thirty-seven dollars a flat or thirty-six dollars a flat.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Long time ago prices, huh?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, much uh less expensive to get good back then.

SPEAKER_04

Um, yeah, and it's amazing that I started back then and I still suck, but you know, hey, but now now you can now you can shoot a third of the time for five times the price. Yes, isn't that awesome?

SPEAKER_02

It's great.

SPEAKER_04

I want to get to some of that, but back to the question. Uh seriously, though. Uh fill everybody in, dude. Where you where you been? What's been going on? We haven't seen you in a while.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think um what was the last shoot that I was at? I don't even remember what it was.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you went to you went to Georgia State briefly.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's right. Georgia State. Yeah, I was there for a long time, but I shot for a day. And then but prior to that was a world championship, and then I was at uh don't remember.

SPEAKER_04

I think jacklang, I think jack language.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it was either something, it was I know I was there, but I can't remember if there was some other shoot in between that and probably not. But um, yeah, long story short, I I uh there's like it's been like a multitude of things that kind of have all layered up on top of themselves. One is that I started a new business, which I'm really excited about because it's really gonna give me the time to be able to not have to sell my time for a living, which means that it's gonna change so many things about my life, which is very exciting to me because there's a couple of things that that I have always just been like dreaming about being able to do. One is the fact that I honestly think it's hard for me to differentiate. Like, I if you ask me, David, what do you like more, shooting or teaching? I don't know if I could give you an answer to that question. And teaching and thinking about things in the same way that you have to if you are a coach, is really just the way that my mind works. Uh, it's a type of abstract thinking and problem solving that I that I love to just exist in and thought all the time. And I really just love being out there for you know a day or a half a day with somebody, and that like empathetic feedback loop that you get when you're helping somebody accomplish even the smallest of things. Um, and I love it so much. And the the biggest thing that is hard about it is that if you do want to teach in that way, it's not something that you can do with a high volume of people, just simple math. If I have sixteen hundred students, how can I go in depth with all of them? I can't. Right. Nobody can, it's not possible. And that's my favorite thing to do because that's where it stops being a regurgitation of an idea, and it starts becoming a deeply rooted, like this doesn't sound like a fun word, but it kind of is this a deeply rooted like dissection of the person's thoughts and goals and mind and everything to understand what else is being involved in the equation of getting them to get better, you know. And I can't do that if I have to pay attention to a bunch of uh to just a huge plethora of of people. Yeah, and that is not something that I say out of the from the perspective of like, oh, woe is me, uh, this is not fun. That's that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I hate the fact that I can't do that for every person, right? And because I want to. And so what ends up happening is because, as you know me, time does not exist in my world. We can put we can put it nicely by saying that. Um because I want to do that for every person. I basically do, and then I overextend myself, and then uh it ends up not going so good for me. Because there's this thing, I don't know if you know about it, but speaking of like neurology, uh, it's called sleep that is pretty important. Yeah, I don't know if you know about that. You struggle with that one, yeah. Yeah, so I'm very excited about that because I have had so many ideas that I want to do for my teaching that I've never been able to do. And I and also I should say, this doesn't mean that I'm not gonna be teaching anymore. What it means is I can spend more time doing things that help more people because now I can spend more time doing the things that like if I don't have to go and book weeks worth of lessons all the time, then I can stay home and do the thing that makes me know money that helps thousands of people if they listen to it or engage with it. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_04

I think so.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so uh I don't want to give too many secrets away, but I have some cool things planned. So this is actually saying like I can go in depth with people in a way that you can just engage with, and then also obviously reserve time to do it in person too. Um so there's the business aspect of it, and so that's been taking a huge uh portion of my time. But from the opposite perspective, aside from teaching, is the shooting thing, which is that, you know, for so long, uh, really for six years, I have been so busy with my job that which is in shooting, which is crazy, because everybody says, you know, thinks that if you're a professional shooter, you get all the time in the world to shoot. I have none. I don't know where that concept, I don't know where that concept somehow like mysteriously disappeared for me. But I haven't been able to focus on being a better competitor, not because I don't get the opportunity to like practice or but because I'm trying to cram so much stuff into a small window of time that I show up to a tournament, not in a state that I need to be in order to win. And so that's a huge thing. Like I can practice as much as I want and be mentally prepared and physically and technically prepared. If I show up driving through the night to get there from the other side of the country, I'm not gonna beat the guy that slept for you know eight hours. Yeah, and uh it just doesn't work that way. So I've kind of been rebuilding, I kind of I've talked you know with Wendell a lot about it, and him and I both, you know, love talking about the history of other sports and other professionals and stuff. And I I kind of am looking at this and treating at it similarly to the way that Tiger Woods did when he just decided to rebuild everything. And it's not that I'm changing anything that I'm doing, but I want to go back to the process of training like I used to be not be able to, but that I used to do before I had a resume that created uh demand to go somewhere to talk about how I used to practice. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

One of the things people don't know about is you traded in the old battle axe for a new piece of iron. Um, I was gonna ask you about that. Were you just tired of digging holes out of the old chamber? Or what what what prompted this?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, yeah, that's that's the other piece of the puzzle, which I would so you you were a step ahead of me. Um, the uh which is good because I was probably gonna ramble on until I remember what that what the other piece was.

SPEAKER_04

Listen, I promised a lot of people I'd keep you on a leash, okay?

SPEAKER_02

So you you and I have done enough things where we're talking to a camera in person that you you know when I'm going off track.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's bring him back in here.

SPEAKER_02

He's in the seventh dimension. Let's bring him back into at least the fourth. But no, so that's the other piece of the equation, which is that you know, I took a long time, like a long time, two years to spend on thinking about how I wanted to rebuild a gun for myself. Not because my old one wasn't like spec'd out in the way that I liked it, but because you know, the gun that I was shooting was 11 years old. I didn't know as much as I do now, 11 years ago. I didn't, I didn't know what uh you know, I hadn't shot enough with the magnifying glass turned in on myself to understand holistically what are my strengths, what are my weaknesses, what can I double down on that pays off four times over? What do I need to avoid? Because if I just touch it, it absolutely goes disastrous in the middle of the station. You know, like I didn't have as complete of an understanding of myself as an athlete back then. And so it was impossible for me to build a gun that perfectly fit inside the missing puzzle pieces. And after paying attention to all of that for so long, I do now. And it I literally experimented with things for two years to finally arrive at the conclusion that I arrived at, and then it was such an oddball uh gun that it took longer than normal to build. And so that finally came in, and it came in perfectly in time with everything else, which is why I'm I'm I'm not stepping back from competition because I don't want to shoot anymore. I'm stepping back from competition because I want to go back to the way that I used to be, where when I was trying to learn a new thing, like my favorite thing to do is to go to a match and to immerse in that mindset of problem solving for multiple days uh with the focus on myself. But the way that I have to motivate myself is to be disciplined and not allowing myself to do the thing that I want to do until I achieve XYZ, so to speak. And so um I'm wanting to do a couple things. One is like get to the point where when I'm shooting my new gun, I'm not intuitively making the movement that I used to make with the old one that was a uh compensation-based move for the way that that gun was not built for me, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because now the gun that I have is literally built to make it to where the exact way that I move, it does too. And I'll tell you what, it's insane. I like when I practice, Jason, I can't believe a lot of the stuff that I can do. I honestly, I'm like, I cannot believe that that happened that way. And then in the in the few matches that I've gone to just test, it's like I I immediately revert to not thinking about how my body. Body is moving because I've done it the same way for so long. That what ends up happening is it it will move with perfect execution of mechanics, but the easiest way to explain it would be like if you had too low of a gear in a sports car.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

You know, like yeah, the and because my old gun was balanced and weighted in a way that was different than this one. And so like I overdo it too much because that's how I'm used to doing it. So I I I'm trying to retrain everything of in this like whole system of how you respond to what you see with your body without thinking about how it's moving. I gotta re retrain it all to be basically uh non-bastardized, so to speak.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I haven't I haven't seen your new gun, but I do have one question about it because I I think I know the answer to that. Well, maybe I know the answer to this. I want to know how wide is your how many millimeters is your rib?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's three millimeters, four millimeters.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god, that's like looking down the edge of a fencing sword.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm uh I'm um rebranding it uh as the riblet.

SPEAKER_04

The riblet. Okay, yeah, I could see that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Verazi doesn't like that too much, but the uh I I think I think it and listen, I'm the guy that's building their website, so they might not have a tool.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, you can get a six millimeter or you can get David's riblet.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you can get the you can get the standard, you can get the reverse taper, you can get the 11 by 7, or you can get the riblet.

SPEAKER_04

Wow, three millimeter, four millimeter. Man, you'd really be lost if I if I put a side by side in your hands.

SPEAKER_02

No, I love side-by-sides actually. Uh for some reason. I that's the only gun I shoot with when I hunt.

SPEAKER_04

Really?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

How do you go from a hairline to a like a frickin' Cadillac hood?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, that's a great question. Um, the the uh is that a serious question or for fun questions?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, well, kind of both. I mean, because if you're used to shooting with such a skinny rib and then somebody puts a side-by-side in your hand, I mean, look at the field of view you have on a side-by-side, dude. It's like it's seriously, it's like looking at a Cadillac hood.

SPEAKER_02

I mean Yeah, it is. It feels like a like an El Dorado.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, the um uh basically the difference is, and and this is exactly why I built the gun. Now, the gun that I have, the new one, it's I I have two. I have a uh a high an HTS, which is, you know, if people are familiar with Pratzies, that's the non-removable trigger group version of the high-tech. And then I have a MX12, um, which is the non-removable trigger of the MX8. Um, both of and so they are high-tech is you know essentially a millimeter and a half wider on each on each side of the bottom rearward part of the receiver than the MX platform, which adds a couple of ounces of weight to it, uh, which I like, but I changed the way that the monoblock was was built in the MX12 to match the handling characteristics of the uh HTS that way that they both feel the same, but one is thinner and one is a little bit wider. I wanted to see the difference. I I wanted to know, like, if they both move and feel and point and balance the same, what one would I prefer? And would I even notice the difference aesthetically? Um, especially because of how high my eye is up over the rib, you know? Yeah. Um, whereas a normal person that, you know, brings the, you know, shoots 50-50, 55, 45, 60, 40, something like that. Um, I I honestly can't tell you what that's like to shoot because I've never done it intentionally in a match. Well, um, but with the way, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I was just gonna ask, I I know as connected as you are with Parati, you probably knew that the new, what is it, the MR57? You you probably knew that that was coming. You didn't want to try that, or was there something about that balance that you didn't like?

SPEAKER_02

Uh no. Um like I said, the this these guns took me so long to arrive at that it way predates knowing about the MR57. Okay. Okay. And uh the I mean, so I started basically so they they took a while to be built, like I said, because it's when I say I ordered a gun from Pirati, I I'm not saying like, hey, I want another high tech, and they're all the same. I mean, uh the way that you can build a pirate is every part of the gun can be custom. It's not just me, you know, like anybody can do that. And um, they really hate when my orders come in because they're so like oddball, you know. But the uh, oh my god, can we send David over to some other company, please?

SPEAKER_04

Well, David, I I was gonna say, man, I could have saved you thousands of dollars in payoffs if you would have gone with a color.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Sorry, man. I had to throw that. I've been waiting to throw that one out there.

SPEAKER_02

I'm sorry. So, like, because of that, here's why they took me so long to build, because the things that I have on my guns I've never seen on a gun before. So I I don't want to be wasteful, you know, um and and just order something and be like, no, no, that was terrible. Let's not do that, uh, because then I can't even give that to somebody else, you know. So um I really had to slowly and deliberately go through the process of thinking about how I wanted it to be built. Uh, and it was all literally exactly for the process of or for the purpose of what you pointed out between uh a side-by-side and over and under, which is how it looks to me in competition. Um and I like I'll don't let me forget that point because I'll I'll say something about the the other question that you're asking me, which is like with the uh MR 57, I didn't know about that gun until maybe November of 2025. Okay, um, and I got these guns delivered uh literally actually at the jacklinks. So it was um Yeah, you're like talking three months or yeah, and the fit and the MR57, you know, we got the first ones in the country at the world championship in May. You know, so and um I am way too boneheaded to uh switch the just because I it's like I I but I will say I shot the um demo prototype of the MR57 and I like it uh like a lot. And in fact, actually Tom is switch is I mean he switched over to it already, Tom C. Um it's a cool gun, it really is very unique. The cool thing is that um I don't know if there's any other manufacturer that offers this, but I know for sure it's the first time Pratt's ever offered it, which is that so that's the gun he just won Georgia State Fitask with. Uh so as a FETAS shooter, I have to say that it's a shame that over in America that this is thought of that way because the shoot that Tom just won, the only shoot he can win bigger than that is the World Fiat Championship. That is bigger than winning nationals in San Antonio what he just won. That is the continental championship of Fiat. Why do you say that? That's what it is. It wasn't the it was not the Georgia State. It's like the way that this, if you ask anybody in Europe, if you were to say, like, hey, you want to come over and shoot the Georgia State Feetask, like, yeah, or the Georgia State, like, yeah, sure, sounds good. And they go on score chasing to sign up and they see what it said, Georgia State Sporting Place Championship and North American Feetask Championship, they would say, Why the hell is that order not reversed?

SPEAKER_04

Okay, all right. My bad. I labeled it wrong. Okay, so but anyway, back to my point, that's the gun he just won with.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, the um yeah, the the uh but what's so cool about it is I I could be wrong. So if you know of any other one, let me know because I'd be curious. But um, it's the first gun that Perazzi has ever made, possibly anybody else, uh standard from a factory with thin walled chokes. Um, so you which is super cool, way cooler than most people realize because the difference in pointability and balance between a fixed choke barrel and a choked barrel is huge. And anybody that wants the fixed choke feel, uh the fixed choke barrel feel of the movement and handling characteristics of a gun, the only way that you can get that previously is to order a fixed choke gun if whatever manufacturer that you want to buy a gun from makes that, and then have somebody else stin wall it, but then you void your warranty. And um, so this is really cool because it comes from the factory that way, and it's the best of both both worlds for for the people that have more intellectual capability than me and can think about what choke they need to use.

SPEAKER_04

I don't know if you caught it or not, uh, but when we had Kyle Millwood on, um, he was telling us he went from the 34-inch on his K gun back down to a 32, and I said, Kyle, you and I are the same height. And he's like, Yeah, and I said, You and I shooting 34-inch barrels is like a Keebler elf swinging a telephone pole. And just he's like, Yeah, I don't think I was very successful with them. But that's you know, I mean, seriously though, I mean, if you think about that, I know you like the 34-inch barrel, but what you're saying with the thin wall chokes, that might be that might change that balance point. But for me, it just felt like every 34-inch barrel I've ever picked up, it felt like I had a car battery on the end of the gun.

SPEAKER_02

Well, this is regardless of length.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, okay. So they offer it both for the 34 and the 32?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, 33, 33 and a half, whatever you want.

SPEAKER_04

Well, they just they just grab a hacksaw and whatever you want, they just trim it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. There's a there's a guy, he's got a really fast twitch right hand.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god, that's why I can't record with you very often.

SPEAKER_02

Don't give him don't don't give him too much caffeine though, because your hair will become crooked. He can't have too much espresso. They they limit him to the to the Italian espresso part of the factory over there.

SPEAKER_04

Oh man. Okay, all right, yeah. We got that one out. Um, well, despite all of this, are you still, I mean, you're still getting some lessons in in between here and there?

SPEAKER_02

Am I teaching?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm teaching some. Uh and but but a huge portion of what I've been doing over the last couple months, really since November, is basically bu building this business and then uh and practicing. Practicing more than I ever have.

SPEAKER_04

Like I would say trying to get the gun to feel like an extension in your hand, like the old one did.

SPEAKER_02

Well, that's the thing. It it feels so like it feels identical to mine, it moves completely different. I'm really just trying to to be deliberate and intentional. You know, it's it's it's less about I mean, I've shot so much that I can pick up any gun and shoot it really well. Um, and that's not me uh, you know, bragging about how good I am. That's me covertly thanking my dad for spending my inheritance before I could get it. Yeah, when I was a little kid. So uh I you know it's I can adapt to a thing quickly, uh, and I can change and and and do stuff very quickly. What I what I want to do is I want to be more disciplined with myself, you know. I want to change uh how I approach what I do because for the last six years I made the choice to move what what the thing was that I was putting all of my time and effort into. And I took it out of competing to put it in something else, whether that be teaching or building a gun club or whatever it is, and the only thing that I had room in my life to pull that uh deliberate investment of time from was preparing to win. That was the only thing because if if you win, if you I mean, when I did that, that was I started that change in mindset three weeks after I won the US Open in 2019. So basically, at the point in time when I decided to change that approach, there was nobody better than me in the United States. The only way to get to being as good as the best person in this country is you have to put like there's no room for being a full-time entrepreneur in some other realm. There's no room for you know splitting half of your time with something else. It's not a good, I mean, look at every Olympic athlete at the end of every four years, they don't even have friends, you know, like it's not a healthy thing to do. So the uh the everybody naturally will pivot, you know, and that's why we have periods of time where one person is dominating and then they'll go away for a while because it's an unsustainable life, unless you don't like having a good one.

SPEAKER_04

I was just I was just about to say, I feel so sorry for your girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, exactly. Well screw her. What about me? I'm the one that has to live with myself.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you may you may have just become single, so careful on how much she listens to these things. So um, so well, with all this said, I mean, you you've got the new gun, you've got the new business, you're practicing. What are your goals for the remainder of the year? I mean, is it like some competitions you're really gonna put some effort into? Or I mean, what's I I know you can't really reveal your crystal ball to us, but Oh, I don't mind.

SPEAKER_02

I'm the open book.

SPEAKER_04

Are we gonna see you a little bit more often or what's what's going on?

SPEAKER_02

Um, I don't I can't answer that question because my um my and I really think this is it, that's a really good question. And I and I hope people take my answer very seriously because it's really important. You can't and you shouldn't measure your goals by are you wanting to win a tournament? Because by doing that, it completely devalues the things required to do so. And um, so yeah, I have plenty of goals, plenty of goals in the realm of how well my shooting is going. None of them revolve around a competition because it's they're all focused on how much do I want to train, how much do you want to, how much do I want to think about and plan and prepare my practice? Uh how much do I want to deliberately plan ahead, not to go to this shooter, go to that shoot, or do this or do that, but to say, instead of looking at my calendar to say, okay, when do I have free time and what tournaments are available? I want to look at my calendar, say, when do I have free time and where do I want to go for five days where I can isolate myself and train? That's what my the that realm of thinking is where my goals are in. And until I get to a specific point of what I feel like I'm capable of doing, then at that point in time, I'm gonna switch into the mindset that I've talked about plenty of times on other podcasts, where then I then I will pick a tournament and I'm gonna go for that. Yeah, but I don't know if that will be before the end of the year, in the middle of next year, you know, because it's gonna be based off of uh like a measurable quality that I can I guess uh perceive in my ability to do or feel, you know, and I I can't I don't know when that will be.

SPEAKER_04

Well, and I don't want to beat this up too much. Um, we talked about on the last podcast, but you know, I don't know if you've been paying attention, David. The schedule is insane now. And what I mean by that is like if you want to go to a good shoot, it's not hard to pick one. Like, literally, you can pick up the phone on Monday morning and look at Score Chaser, and there's a plethora of good shoots around the country that you can go to. Like, all these clubs have elevated everything that they're doing. You know, they're creating better experiences for the shooters, better payout. Um, they're really focused on like their target setting. Again, like I said, payout, you know, giveaways, all this stuff. And it's great as a shooter. The problem comes is on the club side, right? Because what are they gonna they've got to outdo the guy down the road in order to get attendance, right? So it's harder, it's becoming harder for the clubs to become profitable because it's harder for them to draw a crowd.

SPEAKER_02

And I don't know, it's harder for the smaller clubs to become profitable.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, well, but there at the same time, okay. Let me give you an example that I brought up on the last podcast. You take the shooters' championship, okay? The very next weekend I went to the Southeast Regional. The very next weekend I was scheduled to go to California State, and if I wanted to, there was probably 10 other state shoots that weekend I could have gone to. Okay. The very next weekend was Georgia State. You know, I mean, take, for example, here in the next week or so, we've got the Ohio State Championship. Following that is Indiana State, which is right down the road. Following that's the U.S. Open. I mean, it's just one after the other after the other after the other. And, you know, you mix regionals in there, you know, you mix now the world championship next year is overseas. So, I mean, it's just a constant. I mean, if you're a competitor, you have every shoot at your fingertips that you would ever want to go to and make some money or you know, whatever your goal is. If it's yeah punches and patches or whatever your goal is, there's a lot of good shoots out there now. And but it's getting harder and harder for clubs to to draw attendance because they're if they're back to back with people, right? And like myself, I had to that was my point. I had to pull out of a couple of those shoots because if not, I'd have been on the road for a month straight. You know, I got a lot of I got a lot of heat for not going to the worlds. That would have put me, if I would have gone to the worlds, that would have put me on the road for four weeks straight at that time. And you know, when you have a family, dude. I mean, look, I I don't know what people think. I mean, I love our sponsors today. Thank you so much to our sponsor. I'm humbled by our sponsors, but it's not enough to make the mortgage payment, and it's definitely not enough to fly me around the country. So, you know, I I gotta be mindful of what I go to and and where I spend my money because for myself, it's the shooting's the enjoyment part of it, you know what I mean? And the and the being with people and everything. I'm not like you or somebody else at the top echelon of the of the game that's gonna get a big paycheck if I win. That's just not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02

Well, and then nobody is. I mean, there is not even at the top of the game. You you can't there is no paycheck that's big. If you won every paycheck for the whole year, it still wouldn't be big.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you know, most regionals, I I know there's a few outliers, but most regionals, let's say I go there and I win double A class, that's not enough money to pay for the flight in the hotel room, let alone the rental car, the $900 a week golf cart, the you know, flats of ammo, the registration. So really, even if you win, it's not going to justify the cost of going if that's what your end goal is, is money. Now, if you're going for you know the entertainment value and the fun of being with your, you know, the camaraderie and all that stuff, man, go to all the shoots you can. But it's it's taxing on the average income individual to to try and keep up with all this. But yeah, so when you're ready, dude, what that was my point, is there's Every shoot you want to go to at your fingertips right now. I mean, Casey Chase has got to be really busy over there at Score Chaser.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's a good thing for the sport, you know. But I think that it's a good so I I think that what I'm so what I'm about to say has to be classified into a specific category of like a specific demographic of people that participate in the game.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um which would be like, you know, split it up into three groups. You have the people that do it for the reason that you just said, which is that it's a social reason. Then you have the people that do it because you're trying to, in some form or another, measure and work towards improvement. And then there's the third type of person that does it as a professional or sole focus of a career. Right. Um there's one, not even one percent of people in that third one, there's maybe five percent of people in that second one. I think that would be a huge stretch. I mean, if you measure, I keep in mind, I'm not talking about the people that just go to like at the US Open. I'm not saying only five percent of the people. I'm talking about of the 20-some million people in the United States that shoot the game, how many people are it's really like less than 1%, and the pros are less than 0.0001%. But that's just talking about the NSCA, 30,000 people. You go to the US Open, you know, there's maybe there's a good percentage of people that are there just for the social reasons. I'm not talking about them and I'm not talking about the professionals. I'm talking about that middle group when I say what I'm about to say, which is that that middle group of people, uh, those are the people that take lessons.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And they're the they're the people that listen, they selectively listen to to podcasts to see what they can learn, not just because they want to be entertained. And those people, I think, very easily fall into the habits of the first group because they all come from the first group. And the way that you should approach the game if you're in that first group to be more social is you want to go to as many tournaments as you can. If you have a free weekend, go somewhere and shoot. If you're in that middle group, you shouldn't be going to more than three to four big tournaments in a year. Go to the go to the monthly ones at your in your local area, but don't try to fill a schedule of tournaments because my question for you would then be when do you have the time to practice?

SPEAKER_04

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. And that so then, but it's so weird that so many people they don't it's so easy not to realize that and then to get frustrated because you're not seeing yourself improve, but that's the thing that you're wanting to have, you know? Right. And then when that happens, then it ruins the game for you socially, too. Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I mean, and that's just the thing, right? Like get used to doing well at a local stage, and then when you go to the bigger stage, it's not it doesn't seem like you're climbing such a big mountain, you know. Um I I think I've accepted the fact that with this podcast um and the obligations I have when I go to a shoot and plus talking to everybody, I I've just accepted the fact that I'm gonna have to keep the game as enjoyment for me. There's a couple of shoots a year that I'm gonna put a lot of effort into and probably hide a little bit, if you will, when I go to those shoots so that I can compete a little bit more. Um but I've accepted the fact that I'm not gonna be at the top of master class. Okay, I've let that go. I'm doing everything I can to stay where I'm at double A. Because I've been back and forth from master to double A four times now. Um and you know, but but I had this talk with Corey Cruz when I was at shooters championship, and I was like, look, as long as as long as I have this podcast, and I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way, I get pulled in a lot of directions when I go to a shoot. Okay. Um, I feel obligated to visit with my sponsors, be there for them, help them if they need anything, because they help me all year long, you know, right? Whether it's helping put up tents or or you know, helping with a customer, anything I can do to help. And then also, you know, for a lot of people, it's uh it's the only time they get to see me, right? So and and I and listen, I am not a celebrity, but people want to come up and and talk to me, and I love it, man. That's I mean, I absolutely love talking to people, but that is a very big distraction if you're there to try and compete. Um, yeah, you know, I I always remember the the last year that Joe Fanese won the Jack Lanks, which was three years ago, I think it was. But anyway, you know, he shot, got in his truck, and left.

SPEAKER_06

Right.

SPEAKER_04

You know, why? Because he didn't want any distractions, he was focused. And you know, I can't do that. You know, I I can't do that for for the business reasons of the podcast and for the social reasons, but I've accepted it.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I think a better way, I think a better way, it's not that you can't, it's that you you don't. And that's not a thing to feel guilty about. You you the thing that I and I I try to reframe this a lot with my students, which is that like you know, and I and it doesn't, I mean, I know you well enough to to know that you'll go through phases of this, but it's not all the time, which is that um because it's human to go through phases of this, but always try to keep it salient in your mind that you know whatever you choose to do, you shouldn't feel bad about because that's the thing that you want to do. The only thing that's wrong is if you're doing a thing that you don't want to do in terms of how do I approach the game. And to you and to me as well, this is why like I can look back on the last six years of my career and happily talk to anybody that criticizes me for quote unquote not taking competing seriously, because it's not like I was unaware of what my priorities were. I had a I I can line them up every day. I wake up, I I can put a list of all of them on the table and say, what is the most important thing for me to choose to focus and be really good at right now? Is it being a coach? Is it starting a business? Is it being a father? I'm not, but I'm you know, the uh we hope not. I was just about to say that, and I was like, I probably said it. The uh the uh, but you know, for every person, it's always a daily choice. And if you're making that choice, don't feel bad about it and don't like put yourself down or or allow yourself to feel like you're incapable because of it. Because the real measurement of your ability is to say, you know, instead of saying like, I've accepted I'll never be at the top of masterclass, a better way to reframe that would be I've accepted that because I love the Dead Pair podcast and running it so much, and I like the interaction that I it allows me to have at tournaments of people, I've accepted the fact that I would rather do that than be in the top of masterclass.

SPEAKER_04

Well, maybe I should have restructured what I said because that's what I meant.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I know. Well, I I'm not I know that you know, but I'm saying that so the other people, because you would be surprised how many people don't ever think of that. They don't, and so then what happens is they get discouraged either in their ability or their capability. And you know, and that's not and the the real thing is like, okay, well, you know, sometimes a good coach is not just there to help you learn how to hit a 70-yard crosser. Sometimes a good coach has to say, hey, this lesson shouldn't be about anything out on the course today. Let me help you figure out a way that, you know, right now it's evident to me that you want to put your time into shooting and figure out what you're capable of if you did, but you don't know how to do it. Let me help you with that today. You know, because sometimes that's a thing that people are oblivious of as even being a choice that is available to them. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, no, absolutely. And if you remember correctly, it was a few years ago. Um, me, you, and Sean were in studio recording a podcast, and Sean talked about taking that long, hard look in the mirror. And and that's exactly what I did a couple years ago. And it's like, look, I gotta be honest with myself, I don't have the time, I don't have the money to train to do what I want to accomplish. Okay, so that's that's number one. So I had to weigh the pros and the cons, right? And I knew that with the podcast and the obligations that I have, it's gonna be a constant distraction. I don't care if it's at a local shoot or US Open or whatever, right? So that was another big factor. And it was like, I love the game, I'm passionate about the game. Obviously, I wouldn't be doing this, you know. I I had a really lucrative career that I cut the parachute cord and I'm about to smack the ground, so I gotta be careful, but uh, but you know, and I chose to do this because I have a love and passion for the game. So it was like, you know what? I'm not gonna make a career at 50 well at the time I was 50 years old. I'm not gonna make a career out of shooting. And I have to decide what's more important. And for me, as much as I love shooting, as much as I love competing, to me, it was more important to focus on this podcast and honor my sponsors that stand behind me each and every day and support me. And to when I when I'm at a shoot, make sure as I as many people want to come up, shake my hand, talk to me, I won't I'm there for it. I'm let's do it. Hey, come on. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So, and that was that was the basis of my decision. It's like I'm gonna enjoy the game for what it is, and I'm gonna compete when I can, you know. Like I said, there's a few shoots every year that I'm that I hold near and dear to me that I would I would love to accomplish some things, but for the vast majority of it, it's gonna be that social aspect of it. So with that being said, you know, I and people, why didn't you go to the world championship? I think I just explained it.

SPEAKER_02

Uh you know, well, I remember you a couple months ago explaining to me how you know you what you the thing that you wanted to do this year was make a focus to attend a lot of state shoots. I think that's freaking awesome. You know, I mean that's a completely different experience than repeating the same schedule that we always have every year of going to five regionals, a US Open International Championship. You know, that the diversity of experience and location that you get and targets and and even people is so cool. You know, I mean, I think the coolest shoots on tour are the state shoots. And I've always thought that. Um, because you get it, they are all so different. And you know, I might get heat from the people that own the big ones, but I I would I'll say all day long. Uh a smaller club that hosts a state shoot, they can just do they logistically are able to do a better job than any big shoot. You can't when you get 2,000 people on a piece of property, you can't, you can't, I don't care how much money that you spend on it, you can't offer the same experience as when there's between 80 to 180, you know, and then and and then you know extrapolate that onto bigger stage shoots as you go. But the but the a stateshoot is just different. Um, it can be held at a club that's different, literally just going to a different club that you haven't been to maybe ever or in five years. That's different, you know, and it's fun. And it's not to say that you shouldn't go to the big ones and that they fail in that measurable uh you know the statistic. They're not a big shoot with 2,500 people. The purpose of it is not to give you the experience that you would at a small one. That's not what they're trying to be good at. So it's okay that they're not, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Well, and the bigger the shoot, the more things, the more chances there are for something to go wrong.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, or just you're spread thin, you know. I mean, yeah, the you can't you a small shoot. I can have literally logistically, at a small shoot, I don't need as many trackers. That's a huge portion of the experience for the shooter. At a small shoot, I can have a local restaurant make the dinner and make it really, really nice. Uh for 2800 people, I have to have a catering company. There's not very many catering companies in the middle of nowhere where gun clubs are that can have food like a fancy restaurant, you know? Right. Um, the that's just completely different. Every every little piece of the experience can be better at a small shoot because it's easier to do so.

SPEAKER_04

Right. And I'll say this again, too. I do not want to discourage someone if they've never been to a big shoot. I'm not, we're not trying to discourage. Go. You need to go and experience it, right? But I think the local clubs need our support more and more, especially with the schedule getting bigger. Um, and like you said, David, you know, sometimes the experience at a smaller chute can be threefold what it is at a bigger shoot. It may it's really cool, totally different. Yeah. I mean, look at it like this, dude. If if your wife or your husband, whoever your significant other is, can make a mean pot of soup, I guarantee if they did 10 times the ingredients and put it in a big vat and had 500 people over, it's not gonna taste the same.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_04

You know what I mean? So it kind of gets somehow, somehow in the mix, it gets watered down, or some one little thing, one little ingredient doesn't quite add up, right? So, and again, it's not a dig at the big shoots. Man, I love the big shoots, they're awesome. But I you don't have to go to a big shoot every weekend or even every month, you know. Um, for me, I pick a few a year, you know, jacklinks is one of them, uh, nationals is one of them, and then I try to hit one regional, is where I'm at right now. And the rest of my the majority of my time is gonna be at state shoots and local shoots.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And and the cost is the other thing too, right? So, um, but you know, David, we've we've rambled quite a bit here. Um, I I guess now, this late in the show, I should have said this at the beginning. Just want to remind everyone we will not have an episode next week. Uh, it's during the High Estate shoot, and I am traveling across the country with my family, so uh we will not have an episode um next week, but we'll be back the following week. We'll be back good and strong. And we have a new segment. It's called David's Brain. And we're we're we're gonna launch it on this episode.

SPEAKER_02

So do I get to hear the intro of this one?

SPEAKER_04

You do. Sit tight.

SPEAKER_02

Inside David's brain. Long story short. My brain works AHD. Literally is a lot hyper focused inputting into the neuroplasticity, neuroplasticity, neuroplasticity.

SPEAKER_00

Inside David's brain, literally.

SPEAKER_02

Literally changes the way it's aware of the neuroplasticity.

SPEAKER_01

Inside David's brain. Long long story short. Literally, literally, literally, literally.

SPEAKER_04

Hi, David. You like that intro, by the way?

SPEAKER_02

Uh I don't even know what's going on over there. You you must have like uh angel investors or something. You guys I mean, my God.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, thank you to Toby Tomplay for putting that together.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Well, here's the thing I have to say about that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, but I know it is a thing that I should talk to my psychiatrist about because it was calming to listen to that to me. I was like, oh, this is such a familiar inner monologue.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, I hear a new prescription in your future. Um, David. So um, a lot of people have wrote to us and asked us if we would ask you this. And please keep in mind I'm paraphrasing because a lot of people ask the same question in a different manner. But okay, here we go. They're asking about your mindset and focus when stepping into a station. Can you walk us through the psychological and physiological process when you enter a station?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Um pick up your whoever's listening to this, uh, pick up your phone, rewind 45 seconds. There's your answer. Uh um. So and here's what's actually semi-truth about that. Um, that actually is a fairly accurate representation for the way that a lot of people, um, a lot of people's minds work when they are like nervous in a match. You know, it's a complete overload of like tangential thoughts that are overlapping and prevent the ability to be present in thought and present in physical connectedness with the body, uh, and flip you from being in a like decisive authoritative state of attention into being in a state of like pure reactive decision making, so to speak, because it it completely eliminates the ability to be able to think further ahead than what's happening right now, and but not in a way that's good because you're experienced experiencing a calm presence of thought in a way that's bad because you're experiencing an overwhelm. And so it's actually cool that you have that because it's really a good example of that. But essentially, what just repeat the question one more time for me so I I can make sure I answer it accurately. It's basically what's going on in my head physiologically and emotionally as I prepare for a station.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so it says, Can you walk us through the psychological and physiological process when you enter a station?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So um instead of saying psychological and physiological, what I'm going to say is I'll split it up into the category of really um three categories of mental slash emotional. That's one category. Second category is physical, third category is visual. And uh because physiological is uh well uh psychological is half of physiological in a sense. So you really should categorize it into those three categories that I just listed. So what happens for me and what's going on inside of my mind is essentially I'm trying to pay attention to those three states. How does my body feel right now? What emotions and thoughts am I experiencing, and how are my eyes working right now? Not just working in a sense of um, how are they moving, how am I perceiving what I'm seeing, things like that. And if I can hold on to those, if I can hold on to a state of awareness to those three things, then I'm going to be using that to compare it against what I believe those three things should be at state-wise, in order to do what is the most optimal thing for me for the presentation of targets I'm about to shoot.

SPEAKER_04

All right. Well, that's enough for that for this week.

SPEAKER_01

Inside David's brave.

SPEAKER_04

David, hey, I don't know if you you caught it or not. Um, I want to say a very big thank you to Matthew Gay, Clay Shooting USA magazine, and the fine folks over at Shotgun Sports Magazine. They both published articles, uh, one of them, of which I did with uh Eric Trump. So thank you. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Chat GBT is a wonderful thing. Um no, I'm just kidding. Um, and then the one that was done at Shotgun Sports magazine, uh, they actually called and interviewed Sean and I. And they published every word of it. It's like seven pages long. It's awesome. Um yeah, very Very big thank you to them. So, as you all know, YouTube had pulled our channel down. Um, but it's back, and I have to give a huge, huge shout out to John Cummerford and his staff at the NRA. They work very diligently. Um, they work, you know, every day they're fighting Meta and Google on things like this, and they got me back on. And I'm even working directly with um some folks at YouTube now, so it's gonna be bigger and better. But um very, very big thank you to John Cummerford and the NRA. I mean, without them, we we would have permanently lost our YouTube channel for silliness. So um thank you to them very, very much. We do have a Patreon, um, where it's right down in the show description. Of course, we're still on all the podcast outlets, but if you would like to, if you don't listen through a podcast app, you can go to our Patreon. We have our videos loaded there now, and um, until our website's up, which will be probably by the next episode you hear, which I'm very excited about. That's a way that you can get over and participate. Also, on the Patreon, it's free to sign up, but if you do join the uh subscription, which is five dollars a month, less than a cup of coffee at Starbucks, you're gonna have quick access or early access, I should say, to all of our videos. Uh, there's gonna be some special content that the subscribers will get before anybody else does. And when we do our scoops episode, you're gonna be able to participate, ask questions. I'm even gonna have a call-in number so you can call in, be part of the show. And then for those that are just on the free side, that video will be available the next day. So there's there's a few benefits to being a uh a paid member.

SPEAKER_02

Well, don't don't forget to tell them about the VIP membership.

SPEAKER_04

Oh no, I'm afraid to ask. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02

Well, you were telling me the other day that you were coming up with a VIP membership that is gonna be uh $14.99 a month. And the only thing that you get uh on top of the normal membership is that every single one of the snippets of every podcast I've ever been in where I'm talking is cut out.

SPEAKER_04

No, David, I want people to actually sign up, dude. Oh wait, cut out. Oh yeah, cut out. Uh I might I might be buying me a new gun this month, but uh no, I'm just kidding. Um that's hilarious. David, seriously though, man, thank you for thank you for coming back on. And I do want to do, I think it'd be fun to have you on. I'm trying to get a round table put together for our year-end show. Um, I think that'd be really cool. Yeah. Have you come on? I'm I'm trying to get the big guy back in. I'd like to get all the hosts that have helped us this year to come on at the same time. I think it'd be a lot of fun. Um, maybe have a another special guest or two, and I want to video the whole thing.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I think it'd be really cool. Listen, folks, our message is the same each and every week. Take someone new shooting, take them to a tournament. Um, whether it's a big tournament, a local tournament, or you know, state shoot, drag them out there with you. If they're just a recreational shooter, show them how much fun it is to go to one of these tournaments. And if they're not a shooter at all, this is your chance, man. Take them out, show them how much fun this game is. Get them hooked and addicted like us so they spend all their money on shotgun shelves. Or if, you know, in David's case, you know, your parents spends all their inheritance on shotgun shelves.

SPEAKER_02

Either way, I'm not getting it.

SPEAKER_04

You're not getting it, David. Um, but no, um, seriously, David, thank you for joining us. It's been a lot of fun, man. And uh listen, I I'm gonna get as much love as I am heat for having you back on, but it's it's worth it. You know, it's been a while, so it has.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, absolutely. Uh, you are we gonna see you at Ohio State? Can we let that out of the bag? Oh my gosh, he's actually coming.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, absolutely. Wow, that's an awesome shoot. I'm I uh I'm really looking forward to that.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, it's gonna be a good one. It's moving next year. Not to say who or where or what and when yet, but I I'm I think big things are coming. But listen, everyone, we went long. Imagine that David's with us. So until next week, we can't wait to catch y'all back here on the Dead Pear Podcast.

SPEAKER_03

We'll see you next time on the Dead Pear Podcast.

SPEAKER_00

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Jason Rambo

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