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Rethinking Schools

Embracing Arts and Social Justice in Education: A Conversation with Dr. Cierra Kaler-JonesIn this episode of 'Dirty Laundry,' Mandy Griffin and Katy Swalwell interview Dr. Cierra Kaler-Jones, a social justice educator, writer,...

October 05, 2025 • 56:28

Mothers of Massive Resistance: Author Interview with Elizabeth Gillespie McRae

Author interview with Elizabeth Gillespie McRae, author of 'Mothers of Massive Resistance,' a book examining how white women have systematically supported and engineered white supremacy. The discussion covers McRae's academic background, resear...

September 19, 2025 • 57:56

Mothers of Massive Resistance: Conclusion

Mandy Griffin and Katy Swalwell discuss the concluding chapter of Elizabeth Gillespie McRae's book, 'Mothers of Massive Resistance.' They explore the roles that white women in Northern and Southern United States played in maintaining segregatio...

September 12, 2025 • 37:38

Mothers of Massive Resistance: Chapter 8

In this podcast episode, Mandy Griffin and Katy Swalwell discuss Chapter 8 of Elizabeth Gillespie McRae's book 'Mothers of Massive Resistance.' They reflect on the ruthless persistence of white supremacist tactics used by women in the mid-20th ...

September 05, 2025 • 1:20:25

Mothers of Massive Resistance: Chapter 7

In this episode Mandy Griffin and Katty Swalwell explore the complex and troubling history of white women's resistance to school integration following the Brown v. Board of Education decision. The hosts discuss various themes, including the hat...

August 28, 2025 • 55:28

Fan Mail

Hi there! I’m a teacher and I found your podcast through readings and trainings with Paul Gorski in which Katy’s work was highlighted. I’m wondering how your book club on Mother's Mass Resistance is going to work? Date starting, etc. Will there be meetings or just discussion on the podcast? I'd like to participate and invite some white lady friends to join me. 😃 Thanks. Maureen

Reading, Pennsylvania