Episode #230: Why you feel off (even when your life looks fine)

Jessica Frederick, licensed clinical social worker, yoga teacher, and somatic therapist, joins Jenni Berman for an important conversation about stress, emotional health, and the reality many high-functioning women face behind the words, “I’m fine.” Together, they dive into the connection between emotional well-being, cortisol, hormones, and whole-body health—bridging the gap between therapy and functional medicine.

In this episode, they discuss how chronic stress can show up as fatigue, irritability, sleep struggles, anxiety, weight changes, and feeling “off,” even when life looks good on paper. Jessica shares her holistic approach to somatic therapy, helping clients reconnect with the body, regulate the stress response, and build tools that go beyond simply masking symptoms.

If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed, stuck in survival mode, or like you’re carrying everything while trying to hold it all together, this episode is packed with practical takeaways and reminders that true healing starts by addressing the root cause—not just the symptoms.

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Transcript

Mission And Today’s Focus

Speaker 2 0:02

And we're back with the Berman Method podcast. I'm Jenni Berman, physician assistant, and I have a special guest here today. But first and foremost, we have to go through we are here to treat problems and not just symptoms. And if you've listened to any of the podcasts prior, you know that Jake always says we are David going against Goliath, going against the corporate medical system, and really just helping clients and individuals to understand there is another way. And so certainly go back and listen to some of our prior podcasts. But with this special guest that I have today, we have a very special topic, especially for women. But really for anyone. I mean, it has to apply to everyone. So I am super excited to introduce Jessica Frederick.

unknown 0:47

Hi.

Speaker 2 0:48

And I will actually let you give us your little bit of a bio rather than me. I think it's always more interesting than others. Otherwise, I'm just like rambling off of a piece of paper. But you have so much more to offer than a piece of paper. So tell us a little bit about your background.

Meet Jessica Frederick

Speaker 1 1:03

So I am a licensed clinical social worker, which just means I'm a therapist. I'm also a yoga teacher, and I have certifications in somatic therapy, which is kind of my jam right now for how I approach therapy from this holistic lens.

Speaker 2 1:21

Tell me a little bit more about somatic therapy because you do have a very, you're not just a therapist. Like we need to get out of that mindset. Speaking of what we're talking about today and talking to women and being, you know, supportive of ourselves. I heard something this weekend this is kind of off topic, but um one our business coach actually, he goes, I will never tell my kids I'm proud of you. He said, I always tell them you should be proud of yourself because you have to be proud of yourself, and that means more than other people being proud of you. Like when people say they're proud of you, you're like, eh, okay, whatever. Exactly. But when they're like, you need to be proud of yourself, you're like, Yes, I should be proud of myself. So, Jessica, you are more than just a therapist. So, can you tell us a little bit more in terms of the somatic therapy, but also just the what kind of route you take with helping others?

Speaker 1 2:11

Yeah,

What Somatic Therapy Actually Means

Speaker 1 2:12

I'll put this as basic as I can because sometimes it seems complex, but it's not. Most therapy is very focused on our thoughts, and they go from a very cognitive-heavy approach, and a lot of people are okay with that. We are really comfortable assessing things in our brains and trying to make things make sense. And then what I started noticing was a huge disconnect from basically the neck down. So we're so busy in our heads that we're not connected with our body and we're not really aware of the different sensations in our body, i.e., emotions, because they're just energy and motion in there. And so the somatic component brings in the body. And so instead of can constantly telling my clients, please, please practice meditation, please go to a yoga class, please, you know, do these grounding techniques outside of sessions. I now just bring it into the session for a little more accountability and to take maybe the discomfort away because of course it's something new, and and sometimes people are very uncomfortable by that. And when we can do it in that setting, right, that safe container of a therapy session, it allows them to then go and do it themselves.

Speaker 2 3:24

Right. And

Stress, Cortisol, And Whole-Body Health

Speaker 2 3:25

that is absolutely going to connect what we're talking about today, just connecting the functional medicine, what we do here at Berman Health Club on a daily basis with helping individuals with regulating cortisol, that stress response, which we know is one of the primary pillars to all of the issues that they're coming in with. I hate the word issues, but concerns they're coming in with between weight management or blood sugar instability, not being able to sleep through the night, inflammation and autoimmune disease. Yes. And we're really gonna tie in how you also talk about the same things from a different perspective.

Speaker 1 3:59

Yes. And I hear myself also gently guiding clients to a functional medicine, you know, approach or referral to Jenni to get more information because I can understand that it's all connected and I can understand that it's adding to the severity of what they're feeling. Um, but obviously that's not my lane, and so I very lovingly have you to refer people to, which is nice.

Speaker 2 4:27

And same for us. You are our go-to person as well, and for anybody listening to this, our go-to person for the parts that we don't have the experience for, number one, within our practice. But secondly, because we are a functional medicine practice and we're looking more at the nutrition and the medicine, yes, we talk with our clients on a daily basis about their feelings and what they're going through and you know, making that emotional connection to food or to the stress response that their body is going through, but having this outside person actually be able to do the therapeutic sessions and the somatic therapy is just such a game changer for clients, myself included, and my kids. Um, like we've all, and you know, Jake and I have definitely talked about on the podcast, like we've done counseling together since before we got married, and now we have um our six-year-old doing some counseling too. Like, I think it's just a it's a life component that we need to be comfortable with doing, and it shouldn't be a hidden thing, you know.

Speaker 1 5:23

I often am telling clients too that to remind ourselves that we're emotional creatures, and somewhere along our education in this world, emotions 101 disappeared. And so that that's what therapy's for, more than I have this issue or I have a mental health concern. Like it's more emotional stuff going on that we just need some basic guidance with, and then here we are regulated.

Speaker 2 5:48

Right, absolutely.

High-Functioning Women And The I’m Fine Mask

Speaker 2 5:50

So, what I want to talk about today, really, we're gonna kind of shift this more to women, but men, please don't jump off of this podcast. In fact, maybe you should share it with someone, but or listen to it, and maybe you can help the one person that's in your life that this could help even more. Um, but really, we're gonna be talking about high-functioning women, you know, that's really where what we're directed to right now, us included, right? You have three kids, yes, younger than mine, and I have three kids as well. We are both running businesses, and life is just in chaos all the time. Yes. But we're embracing the chaos, or we try to, and we often vent to each other, like, okay, we need our little text therapy session right now about our chaotic morning. But let's talk about these women like us who always say, We're fine. It's all fine. I'm fine.

Speaker 1 6:40

Mm-hmm. Um, this this kind of I didn't want to harp on on the should statement earlier, but this goes back to the should statement. Um, the very first thing I tell clients is to stop shoulding on ourselves. And so when we take a glimpse at some of these narratives in our heads that lead to our just automatic response to people that I'm fine. And what's underneath that is a lot of behaviors and a lot of additional thought patterns that are actually trying to convince you that you're fine because you're checking all of the boxes on your to-do list and because you, you know, did all of the things and ran all of the errands, but you didn't take a moment to ask yourself, how am I actually feeling? Where am I holding this stress? You know, have my shoulders been up in my ears all day? Has my job been tense? Have I eaten? You know, am I thirsty? Like when's the last time I had some water? Like you're not doing any of those things. And then you get to the end of the day and don't understand why you're not so fulfilled by all the checkboxes you completed.

unknown 7:43

Right.

Speaker 2 7:43

Yeah. Fulfilled or feeling your best, or where's your energy? Why am I so run down and I'm so exhausted, but then I can't sleep at night.

Speaker 1 7:51

Oh my gosh, yes. Because your body is resting, you know, for all intents and purposes, it's laying down ideally, but your brain in that moment is like, oh hey, oh, you're safe. I have your attention. I'm gonna tell you about yourself.

Speaker 2 8:07

Now is my time to communicate with you because you haven't had time for me all day. So yeah, these women who say they're feeling fine, but they don't. And we really want to get into the fact that on paper life looks great. Yeah. But the underneath, like you were saying, is where we're we're missing that. We just keep compacting all of those um internal dialogues and feelings and emotions that we have. And so tell me a little bit more.

Signs You’re Off And Why

Speaker 2 8:32

Let's talk about just um between you and I, like maybe your side and my side, about what does it mean to feel off?

Speaker 1 8:40

So for me, right, when people are coming into therapy, honestly, if if they're saying I have anxiety, if they're saying I have depression already, I'm like, right, we're feeling off, you know, we're disconnected. There's some there's something going on in my mood that doesn't maybe add up to how I think I want to feel, or yes, the shoulds come in, right? How I should feel. Um, they might have low frustration tolerance, i.e. they're irritable, um, they're agitated, they might be reactive, um, they might not, you know, call it that, but they, you know, getting snippy with their kids, losing patience with their, you know, partner, um, thing, things of that nature is something that I think a lot of people too just think this is just our human experience. Like this is just normal, but they're they're really huge red flags to me, like as the therapist when I'm hearing these things.

Speaker 2 9:30

Okay, okay. And from our side too, you know, we communicated it's very similar. People will come in to us and saying, I have I'm irritable, I have no patience at all. And certainly we know that there's an underlying factor that to that, um, not being able to sleep through the night, seeing weight gain, because we know that cortisol or that stress response is gonna hold on to fat as well, having these energy crashes. And so, of course, from the functional medicine standpoint, we're gonna go down, okay, you have energy crash, you have brain fog, you're not sleeping at night, we're seeing weight gain, there's something metabolic going on, and we will go that direction, but we have to also target um just the mental capacity and what's going on with the stress response from an emotional standpoint as well.

Speaker 1 10:12

Absolutely. I I typically am reminding clients if if there are these symptoms that we're now feeling, right? And we're we're actually paying attention, you know, to our body, which is great. But if we start slapping on the band-aids and we don't get to what is going on, you know, what are you feeling? Have you ever actually named your feeling, talked to anyone about this emotion? Do you have the right tools to help yourself allow the emotion to just roll on out of you? Because that's what emotions want to do, then the band-aids will work for a little while.

Speaker 2 10:48

Momentarily.

Speaker 1 10:49

And then we're gonna be right back to where we started, although now the wound is a little deeper.

Speaker 2 10:54

Right, right. And that's just like, you know, taking a weight loss medicine, right? How many people come in there, or you know, maybe not to you, but to us, oh yeah, say, Oh, I took this weight loss medicine and it was great. I lost the weight, but then I stopped it and it came right back. And the same thing with looking for this magic pill of taking L-theanine or taking progesterone, you know, so many women are like, I just need hormones. So taking the progesterone, taking the L-thenine, taking magnesium, and you know, it certainly is helpful when we're deficient, but we're not treating the problem here.

Speaker 1 11:25

Yeah, we're not getting to the root. And typically with certain things that I see, it it is the thought patterns, which of course is influencing people's behavior patterns. And so to get into, you know, a little bit of taking the action outside of the sessions or you know, outside of your meetings with Jenni, you there's there's homework, right? There's follow-up, there's things that need to be changed outside in your real life, obviously, that we can't just talk about in, you know, our 50-minute session. And so if we aren't doing those things, then we're gonna come, we're gonna come right back to this.

Speaker 2 12:02

Right. So let's talk about that because there's homework in anything. And you know, we also something I communicate about regularly is we all have to have a coach, whether the coach is in business or the coaches through nutrition or the coaches through therapy. But any athlete has homework. Any athlete practices five, six, seven days a week, not just the one day a week that they're meeting with their coach or game day. Yeah, the game, exactly. So

Top-Down And Bottom-Up Tools

Speaker 2 12:28

let's get into maybe some of the treatment side. Like we we recognize that as high functioning women, we're just like, okay, yep, we're gonna be fine. We got all these things on our to-do list, we're checking off the boxes, but then we eventually start experiencing the fatigue, the crashes, not sleeping through the night, the irritability, reacting to our kids or to our spouse, or even at work, you know, having short tempers there. So if we were to go through the actual functional changes and identifying the problem, we know that there's a stress access dysfunction, HPA access. That's your hypothalamus pituitary adrenal. So it's coming from your brain and it's coming from the adrenal glands. So, to your point, of we have these emotions that we're thinking about, but it's really involving the whole body. The adrenal glands, if you don't know, sit above the kidneys, which are in your trunk, right? So it connects the whole body. So, what what process do we go through?

Speaker 1 13:26

So, this is why I integrate the somatic piece. Um, so I do both top-down, bottom-up. So, top-down is we're gonna, of course, need to figure out what's going on in your thought patterns. There are going to be cognitive approaches to that cognitive reframing, you know, basically rewiring your brain. And then I think simultaneously, we need to also do the bottom-up approach, which is are are you actually aware of any sensations going on in your body? Are you aware of the tension? Do you actually feel something in you physically when you're telling me I feel and then fill in the blank? Because often, number one, often when people start a sentence with I feel, they actually then cite me a like a monologue of no emotion words. Um, and then if they actually give me an emotion word, I ask where they feel it. And most people can't identify that. And so that's then all in your brain.

Speaker 2 14:22

Okay.

Speaker 1 14:22

Which could be a false emotion, right? We can think ourselves right into feeling something for sure, but we want to get more to what's, I don't want to say intuition, but you know, what's more the genuine emotion that's going on in my body? And then can I learn to tend to that? And so these two tools are usually happening at the same time. And we need to get our body to a place of not fight or flight, you know, not in the stress response, so that then we can actually talk to ourselves.

Speaker 14:52

Sure.

Speaker 1 14:53

Because when we're in that stress response, our prefrontal cortex shuts off. We're in our lizard brain, we're just trying to survive, regardless of how, you know, minuscule the stressor is. If our body is reacting in that way, then okay, we need those grounding techniques. Sorry, I I know it sounds so simple, but take a deep breath. Like, take a deep breath. Take a moment, pause. Don't allow your brain to just go on to autopilot where it's gonna think whatever it's gonna think and stress you out more. And then we can say, like, hey, Jess, is that, you know, is that really that serious? Are you okay? Like, you got this now? Right. Like, hey, t name that problem again. Oh, hey, girl, you actually have a solution. You're good. Okay, moving on.

Speaker 2 15:32

Okay, I love this. I feel like this is my own therapy session right now, as I'm regulating my emotions about my children. Yes. And I get home from work after a day of work, and I'm like, I put out fires all day long, and now I have my one crying because the other one took a baby.

Speaker 1 15:53

Oh, I'm I'm a heavy deep breather. I and they know, like, hey, I'm also trying to teach them to do that, sure, you know, and I'm not gonna tell my two-year-old in the midst of the tantrum to take a deep breath because she's not able to understand what I'm saying, neither are adults. Right. But if I'm breathing, at some point she's gonna start breathing.

Speaker 2 16:11

Right. No, and that's absolutely true. And we have to think about these situations with when we're when we're going through the situation, the we're like a toddler. Like you don't hear anything when you're in that state of mind of the frustration or the irritability or the even anger, yeah. You're not gonna hear anything around you, you're not gonna be in a state to be able to make an immediate change. So that breathing has to be our own rescue. No one else is going to rescue us at that inner that moment. That moment. That immediate moment. Absolutely. Um, so tell us a little bit more.

Breath, Pause, Then Challenge The Story

Speaker 2 16:45

So we do the the deep breathing is is step number one.

Speaker 1 16:49

So once we get basically we'll we'll speed it up, right? So once you get some body-based grounding techniques and you're able to bring yourself back to the present moment, because when when you're starting to go into that stress response, you're you're not there. Like you're not really there, you know? So you're back in the present moment, then we go to the brain. Usually that automatic thought that might go to a worst-case scenario thinking, or you should be doing this thinking, or whatever it might be, we've already interrupted it by taking that breath. So yay us if if we're not even able to go back to the negative thought process. We dodged a bullet, right? Sometimes it's still there, right? It's still heavy. So then that's when we start talking to ourselves. Like, is this factual? Right. Do you have evidence to support this concern that's going on in your head? Okay.

Speaker 2 17:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1 17:39

Really like is like honestly, is this real? Or I tell my clients all the time, if you slow down some of the quote unquote anxiety in your head, there are usually questions and you usually have an answer, or you can sit for a second and brainstorm some solutions to it. But when we leave it in our head unchecked, it just spirals and it snowballs, right? And it's adding question after question after question. Of course, that's gonna seem overwhelming.

Speaker 2 18:04

Right. And then the negative self-talk comes directly next.

Speaker 1 18:08

Yeah. You should have it all figured out. Right. You should know this.

Speaker 2 18:11

Why am I in that this situation? The the why state. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I think I got ahead of myself because I'm like, how can I fix myself? Right. I just wanted to jump to the solution and fixing myself.

Speaker 1 18:24

But that, but that is kind of it. I mean, honestly. And then it's it's a reminder that oh, I just practice. Oh, I have to do this. I have to do this all the time. And and depending on the severity of your stress response, you you may feel like you're doing this every 10 minutes, but I promise you, right, you're you're building a new muscle. So I promise you that in time that's gonna slow down.

Speaker 18:51

Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 18:51

And something that actually I was thinking about talking to you right today, and this this thought came to me. It's not that how do I how do I put this? It's not that every emotional response is some big to-do that we we need to tend to. And in these practices, when you really start to check in, you you'll learn that. Oh, I'm I can actually be unbothered. You know, I can still make a note of something, like, oh, you know what? I don't I don't love that. Right. But I'm no longer having a physiological reaction that's leading to my stress response, right? That's leading to these automatic behaviors. I can just be here, right, observe what happened, make a note, and then keep it moving, which is the goal.

Speaker 2 19:38

Right, right, right. And that's with most things in life where we have to really focus on the effort initially when we're first learning something. Like, let's go again to a child learning how to ride a bike. She really has to focus on putting her hands on the handlebars and which direction the handlebars are going. And is she leaning her body? And are her feet pedaling fast enough to put it on? Are they on the pedals, right? Yeah, like it's all these things that we have to think about, and we have to be so focused on it just to get the bicycle to move. And it's it's also like that in my world with the dietary changes, and people have to be like, How much protein is in that and how many carbs? And does it have enough fat? And am I drinking enough water? And am I eating frequently enough throughout the day? Like, initially, there's so many things to think about. Same as you were just explaining. Initially, we might be taking a hundred deep breaths a day when we're in this heightened state, but it's not always gonna be like that because we are gonna get to that point of most of us will get to that point of regulation. Now, with this, you know, I said on my side, we can't just take L-theanine or take magnesium or you know, even go down the route of the progesterone and our our problems are gonna be fixed. And I think it's the same with you and your clients, which is why you say you try to guide them politely to the functional medicine world. Because in Western medicine, when people come in with irritability or anxiety or feeling um that they're reacting or sad, the first thing people the doctors will do is try to give them an SSRI.

Speaker 21:09

Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 21:10

Right. And they won't even go down the route of is your magnesium low? Or do you need progesterone? Did you get some sunlight today? You go on the sunlight.

unknown 21:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2 21:17

Like there's no questions about anything supplemental or functional. Um, or you know, even with my women who are dysregulated in the sense of stress response, they go to their GYN and tell them they're having dysfunctional bleeding or they're having really bad cramps, or they're, you know, what we call PMDD. So before their menstrual cycle, pre menstrual um dysfunction in their their mood, right? They're feeling super anxious or stressed or sad or angry right before their cycle. And so they go to their GYN asking for help with regulating their cycle, and their answers are a birth control or an SSRI. Is an antidepressant, right? So we know that we're neither one of us are in line with that, right? And but coming back to me and you is we can't just from a functional standpoint put them on the supplements and say you're fixed. From your standpoint, we can't just say breathe, right?

Speaker 22:18

Right.

Speaker 2 22:18

And so that's so important. What are some of you know, let's let's make the connection of this stress response that our body is going through and the emotional attachment to what the rest of our body is experiencing and this fight or flight response. Breathing does help to regulate that cortisol response to that fight or flight mechanism. But let's make the connection to the hormones and why some women are feeling this more through at parts of their cycle than others, and let's connect it to the blood sugar and um you know, really pulling in the entire area of me and you together.

Speaker 1 23:01

I think

Cycle Awareness And Planning For Stress

Speaker 1 23:02

for like the PMDG thing is such a good example, and so how of course, not super medically, right? Over here, um, I'll tell people it's a good signal from your body and the fact that you have the awareness of when your cycle is gonna come and like your body's talking to you. Like we are nature and we are cyclical, so it's it's expected that you would recognize the pattern of you know, clients will come in and they'll be like, I don't want to blame my period, but I'm like, no, like I want you to tell me that you're on your period. Yeah, I want you to tell me that it was the week before your period and you knew that you were gonna have low patience, and then these are all the sequence of events that happened. Because then I tell people, hey, you then have part of the answer already in front of you. So when you know that your period's coming, hey, guess what? Maybe your workouts need to look different that week.

Speaker 23:48

Right.

Speaker 1 23:48

Maybe you need more check-ins with yourself, especially if unfortunately work is more stressful that week or your kids are crazy that week, right? It's a full moon. Then you know, oh my goodness, you know what? I I need more check-ins with myself. I need more time to stop and breathe and de, you know, decompress because of what's going on. It's not, oh, you know, I'm more emotional, so I just need to like deal with it. It no, it's uh you you wouldn't, you know, go to your game with an injury and not plan for your injury. Right. Like you would wrap your injury more or whatever it might be, right? Like it's the same thing. Like you're gonna be a little depleted to begin with.

Speaker 2 24:33

Right.

Speaker 1 24:34

So if I know that I'm not functioning at 100%, why wouldn't I do things to help me?

Speaker 2 24:38

Right.

Speaker 1 24:39

Instead of just thinking, I just somehow have to wing this and make it work.

Speaker 2 24:43

Yeah, exactly. If you're going into the game with um, you're coming off of a sprained ankle, we're not gonna not wrap it, right? We're gonna prepare for it, we're gonna do extra therapy sessions to get ready for it. And we have to think about our cycle as the same, the same way. Or just it doesn't even have to be a cycle if we know we're going to something stressful. Yeah, going to see our parents for a week and not my parents per se, listening. Um people that is stressful. And they don't eat well or they don't exercise or they're negative, you know, whatever it is.

Speaker 25:21

Yes.

Speaker 2 25:21

Um, so we just have to prepare for those situations and say, what can we do therapeutically that's going to be different?

Speaker 1 25:28

And preparation is wildly different than I have increased anxiety. So again, okay, you know, you know these things, right? Someone could present those that same list to me in a very heightened, stressed out, or overwhelmed way instead of just like a list of things that I'm well aware are going to affect me or could potentially affect me. And so that in and of itself is already kind of like part of the practice, right? Okay, so thanks, Jenni. You presented me, you know, a good list of things that could potentially hold you back on your progress. So now let's plan.

Speaker 26:00

Right.

Speaker 1 26:00

Let's make a plan of attack. Okay, so I'm going into an environment where they might not have all my food choices. Okay, I'm going grocery shopping. Like I'm going into an environment where they don't prioritize movement. Hey, guess what? Like, I'm on my schedule. Right. Like I got I have my schedule. I'm still waking up, I'm still going to do my thing. Like it doesn't matter. Instead of using those things as a reason to fall off track.

Speaker 2 26:20

Exactly. Yeah, excuse me. Right. We use that word lightly and meaningfully, but lovingly. Yeah, not to be negative, but they are at the end of the day. If you're if you're recognizing that these are the things you're going to be experiencing, so what can we do to change it? You know, rather than using them as an excuse to slide backwards mentally, physically, and emotionally.

Speaker 1 26:46

And not to get too emotional, but at the end of the day, this is pretty foundational in my work, is it comes down to your relationship with yourself because those excuses are self-sabotage. So if you are loving yourself and you're compassionate towards yourself and you want to take care of yourself, that doing these things, prioritizing you, prioritizing you know your schedule is you taking care of yourself. Like it's it's nothing, it's nothing crazier than that.

Speaker 2 27:10

Right, right. And I think it has to come back to that initial statement that I made of we have to be proud of ourselves. Yeah, absolutely. So we have to create that relationship of I am going to take care of me. Doesn't have to be physically, it doesn't have to be with the food, but emotionally, I'm going to take care of me so I can be proud of myself.

Speaker 1 27:28

Exactly.

Speaker 2 27:29

And when we start to f slide backwards or fall off track, right? The quote unquote off track, then we're doing things that we don't feel good about ourselves. Exactly.

Speaker 1 27:40

And that's just the downward spiral to because then you go in your brain and then you're beating yourself up for doing it, and then we just continue and continue and continue.

Speaker 2 27:47

Which is also creating a physiological inflammatory response, right? A stress response on the body inside, more inflammation, more oxidative stress, which is our negative stress, more of that cortisol response for fight or flight. And again, the cortisol talks back to the brain, and it's just this vicious side.

Self-Compassion And Next Steps

Speaker 2 28:07

So this has just been so great. We are gonna continue this conversation. We're gonna wrap up for today, but I think we just have I feel like we didn't even get even a dabble of what we actually want to talk about, and it's just been such a great conversation. So Jessica Frederick here, she is a license licensed um clinical social worker. Clinical social worker therapy. I'm always gonna uh just jumble my words over that. She's an amazing emotional connection therapy yoga teacher, really connected to the functional medicine world. How can our uh listeners reach you?

Speaker 1 28:43

Um on my website is lotuslivingfl.com. Um, because I am licensed in Ohio, Utah, and Florida. Um, so I can see therapy clients um in those states. And so you can reach out to me via email, Jessica at lotuslivingflorida.com.

Speaker 2 28:59

Perfect. Lotus L-O-T-U-S Living L-I-V-I-N-G-F-L. Yes. Um for both of those. We will link it in our show notes so everybody has that too to be able to um reach out to Jessica. But she does a lot of virtual. Yeah. So mostly virtual.

Speaker 1 29:15

Only virtual, usually with baby strapped to me.

Speaker 2 29:18

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