Josephine McGrail
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Josephine McGrail
#29 When East meets West - Integration talk with Dr Charlotte Bamber
Dr Charlotte Bamber is a western trained medical doctor now working holistically and broadly. She champions good health and advocates a healthy lifestyle in order for each individual to be healthy, happy and free from suffering. She loves nature, art, dancing, hiking, spiritual nourishing conversations and music among many others.
Her current practice involves offerings of art therapy, psychotherapy, holistic health consultations and teaching Hatha and yin yoga.
Her main themes are :
You don't need to suffer alone. There is always support of the right kind out there for you. It's just a matter of finding what that support is.
Everything happens for a reason and for your (the) greater good.
There are lessons for growth and development in every experience.
Charlotte is a pleasure to work with and really enjoys bringing all her knowledge together to see each person individually to help them meet their health needs physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.
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Josephine McGrail: Hello, Hello, everyone! Today I'm sitting down with the gorgeous Charlotte. Charlotte and I met many years ago actually in Portugal, which I'm sure Charlotte will also tell us all about, because it was actually you, Charlotte, the other day when we bumped into each other, who was like Josie. I know you, and it's from Portugal, and I think you had a lot more amazing facts come straight into mind than I did, so I'm excited to hear about that as well.
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Josephine McGrail: But to our listeners here I asked Charlotte to come on, because everything that I know about you literally just shines
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Josephine McGrail: gorgeousness, wisdom, vibration, connection, a deep desire to want to understand, to want to understand oneself, and the world that we live in
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Josephine McGrail: through experience and through curiosity. That's really sort of what I was picking up. And then when I started looking around a little bit, I was like, Oh, she's also an actual doctor. And wow! She does this, and she does that. But without further ado, Charlotte, welcome, welcome! It's wonderful to have you here.
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Charlotte: Thanks for having me. Jesse. Yeah, yeah, actually, what how you describe me is quite spot on. I've not had anyone describing like that, not even myself. And that is yeah
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Charlotte: humanity through experience. And to share that with others of what it's. You know, the trials and tribulations of being human or being a soul in a human body rather.
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Josephine McGrail: Right, a hundred percent like the whole contrasting experience. I'm so with you. But, Charlotte, tell us a little bit. Tell us 1st and foremost. Let's hear in sort of like practical terms, what do you actually, you know, how do you spend your days? Well, how do you spend your time on this beautiful planet. My partner just decided to come home. But it's very. It's very live today. It's very real.
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Charlotte: Yeah. At the moment I'm in a I'm still in a phase of transition between working in the Nhs and having my own private practice and holistic business.
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Josephine McGrail: Oh, my God! I love it! I love it! That is so beautiful, and also how those 2 worlds intertwine, and how you know where they differ. And all of that. That's absolutely amazing. Okay, well, to understand how you became who you are today, let's take you right back in time. So, Charlotte, where were you born? Who were you born? Into? What kind of family setup did you grow up in.
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Charlotte: Yeah. Yeah. Very lucky. Actually, I mean, obviously, there's trauma, everyone's family. But I was born the 3rd out of 3 siblings, and in South London, and so I've got 2 older brothers. Both are 6 years between me and the eldest and 3 between me in the middle. So 3 years between each of us, which was very mathematically
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Charlotte: arranged by my parents, not consciously, though not consciously, at all. And both my parents are still together, that we they still live in the same house that they've had all 3 of us in. So it's like this whole house is like a generation, yeah, 2 generations in a way.
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Josephine McGrail: Oh, my God! Charlotte.
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Charlotte: Yeah, it's really cool. And my grandmother, who just reached 100, she just passed away, but she lived in the same house, and for the whole of that. So yeah, there's 2 houses in the family that have just existed. So it's a lot. Our family is quite sentimental and nostalgic, and holds on to like really good values. So I was brought up with.
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Charlotte: I think, really important core values like do as you would be done by, and that has always stuck with me is like, if you want to be treated nicely by anyone on the planet, then do the same to others, regardless of how they treat you if they treat you like shit. Then okay, be compassionate and say, like, Okay, I don't want to spend time with you anymore or highlight what the problem is, but you don't need to punch them in the face. You can do it compassionately, and you can set healthy boundaries.
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Charlotte: But also, you said about community. That's my family has been always a close knit support network for each of us, and anytime any of us are going through something really challenging. We all come together. So when my eldest brother's daughter was born, she had a congenital disorder and had to have several operations, and we all just went to them, and just like dropped everything and go.
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Charlotte: And that's kind of what my family does like. We just drop everything for the rest of the family and come together.
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Charlotte: knowing that sometimes the most basic things of helping someone eat, sleep and just do the day is what you need. It's not about kind of like, okay, what's the future going to be like? It's like, how do I do today?
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Charlotte: And that requires community and support. Yeah.
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Josephine McGrail: Oh, my God!
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Josephine McGrail: I love that so much, Charlotte, and also because I so agree. You know
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Josephine McGrail: our life is made out of everyday moments.
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Josephine McGrail: and if the everyday moments are not working, our life will not be working, and we have to go back to the everyday, and we can always sort of like. Trace it back to the everyday, the mundane, the habits that done with joy and intention becomes rituals. Right? Like, I absolutely agree. It's that thing of.
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Josephine McGrail: Actually, I'm going to give you a personal example. So you know, when we go to bed at night and I lie to him, I'm very blessed. I have a wonderful fiance now. Yeah, I'm engaged, and he hugs me in bed right? And and I lie to it, and I'm like
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Josephine McGrail: this is the best moment out of the whole day. And it's not because I'm going to sleep. I'm actually, I find it really hard to really sort of. I know sleep is so important, but I get so excited about life. So I'm like, Come on, Josie, get to sleep. But but my point is that the most basic thing, him hugging me in bed. And that's the last thing I remember before I go to sleep, and it's the 1st thing I see when I wake up is him hugging me again like I fall asleep in a hug. I wake up in a hug, and honestly, that's
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Josephine McGrail: you know, that fills my heart so much. Yes, I love what I do. Yes, you know, like lots of beautiful things during the day, but something as basic as simple as that. And if that is not working.
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Josephine McGrail: nothing is gonna work like it's the everyday life. And you know, having finding the beauty in the everyday life and the sustainability in everyday life. And oh, anyway! So just listening to that whole chat about your family sounds amazing. And and also I hope you can relate. But
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Josephine McGrail: I always relate everything to nature, and as you were talking 1st of all, I was seeing your family and those 2 houses you were talking about this big house, and I saw like this great big tree that is just rooted down more and more and more and more, and you know, and then every time another child is born into the family there's just a little branch that's added, and another root. But it's like this great big tree, almost like a dew tree, because you know the dew is hollow inside, right
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Josephine McGrail: spacious Jew tree. And then what also came to mind was that thing like you said.
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Josephine McGrail: when you know when that thing happened in your family, like you all just dropped everything, and you came together, and it's a given. It's not a big oh, do we do this? Do we do that? It's like, no, this is the culture of our family. These are our values. And it's almost like.
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Josephine McGrail: and I know you'll hopefully you'll appreciate this, you know, with the intelligence of the body, the intelligence of cells, right? So the intelligence that sometimes a cell will be like, you know what? For the greater good of the organism, I'm just gonna like, release myself right as in. I'll sacrifice myself.
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Josephine McGrail: And and it's not a sacrifice like a terrible oh, no, it's just a you know. This makes sense for the greater good of everything. And I think that's something. This is a really potent thing that
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Josephine McGrail: I hardly ever speak. I hardly ever hear in conversation so wonderful to hear that. Okay, but anyway, back to you, my lovely. So where in South London.
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Charlotte: This is the hospital. It's not. It's a yeah. It's just outside of London. But we're we're in South London. So it's the. It's the nearest hospital. And yeah, I was.
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Charlotte: I was born quite a big baby. I was 10 pounds 11 ounces, which is big, because I was the 3rd one. So each one got bigger. But that had that had a big impact on my mom. She was kind of like, you really big. And I was like, oh, I wasn't the one eating, maybe less. It would have been fine. I don't know.
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Charlotte: Yeah, that was a very long baby. There's a photograph of me next to another baby born like the day before, and I'm almost twice as long. I look like the the obstetrician said. I look like I was one already so.
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Josephine McGrail: God.
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Charlotte: I was just like a big baby, but.
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Josephine McGrail: Oh, wow!
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Charlotte: I've I hardly ever get sick like I have a really strong immune system.
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Charlotte: Physically. I don't get sick mentally, that's my. Those are my battles. But physically my body is a very strong, healthy, like fit body, without having to do too much.
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Josephine McGrail: Also for listeners that can't see you right now. Charlotte is absolutely gorgeous, like you always look super healthy, like just radiant, this vitality. So I'm just sitting here like, yes, this makes sense that you don't get sick like you're literally like
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Josephine McGrail: sparkling. Now I want to ask you something. What's the 1st memory. You remember the 1st memory you remember.
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Charlotte: Oh, that's so cool.
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Charlotte: It's difficult to know which is the 1st one, but there are many in the garden. Most of them are out in nature. So we're really lucky. Not very few people get this nowadays. And even when we were kids it wasn't the norm. We had a back alley so that we live in. Lived in a group of terraced houses, and each each house had a garden, and then behind that there was a back gate onto an alleyway.
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Charlotte: and then there's an alleyway joined up the road at the end, but it meant there was a safe place that all the kids could play, and behind the alley was a park, so we would jump over the fence and play in the park. So it meant that I was picking flowers, making stews, inverted commas, you know, like herbal remedies just playing outside making mud. Yeah, doing things like that, really getting outside and being with nature, and I found that incredibly
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Charlotte: healing and grounding and connecting, and also just playing with my brothers and playing with the other children in the street.
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Josephine McGrail: God, yeah, I
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Josephine McGrail: love that, Charlotte. And thinking back, do you remember a time in your life where it doesn't matter what age you were. But when is one of the 1st times that you remember going? I want to do this. I want to do this thing, or I want to become this, or want to be able to teach this or share this when I grow up. Do you remember that thing.
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Charlotte: Actually in kindergarten, kindergarten or year one. I remember you play. What are we going to be when we're older? And there are the outfits like the doctor, the fireman, the nurse, and I remember definitely playing with the doctor and nurse outfits a lot, and it was only when I was 15 doing Gcses that my dad said to me like.
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Charlotte: you're really good at studying, you should be a doctor, and I remember saying to him, no way, I'm not going to do that. And then, one or 2 years later, I'm applying to medical school. And I'm like, Oh, okay, something happened.
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Charlotte: Yeah, actually, when I was about 10 or 11. My dad was in Boston for a Sabbatical, and so we went over and visited him a lot. He stayed there, and we traveled every holiday to visit, and he took us to things like the planetarium, and also to the original Imax cinemas, which were like properly 360 degrees, like the ones in London, are not 360. That's just a big screen. This was
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Charlotte: mind blowing actual 360, and there was no. We went to loads of documentaries on turtles, on seals, on otters, and I got really obsessed with marine biology. So for a long time I wanted to be a marine biologist. And then I realized actually what that entailed. And I was like. Actually, it's not that fun and another one. I was a volcanologist, because that's that's really cool, like going and looking at volcanoes explode. And then
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Charlotte: again, I realize that's quite dangerous.
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Josephine McGrail: Besides.
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Charlotte: And the reason I ended up choosing medicine was only quite late at the last minute. Right about at the point of applying to universities, and it was
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Charlotte: a combination of things. I'd done some scientific research a week in a research lab looking at Petri dishes, but with agar jelly and like stuff cells. And it was interesting.
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Charlotte: But I looked at the lab assistant next to me. I was like, Are you really going to do this for the rest of your life. Because this is this is a very small thing. My dad's a professor of medical physics and cancer research. So he spent his life in a very
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Charlotte: This particular niche
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Charlotte: that you then very much specialize in, and something about that made me feel uncomfortable. And I thought, this isn't for me. I need to be engaging more with people. And so then I started looking at different universities, and a friend gave me the
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Charlotte: advert for St. Andrews in Scotland, and
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Charlotte: I just looked at it and thought, That's my university. I'm not going anywhere else. It looks like Harry Potter, and it teaches medicine in the same way that Oxford and Cambridge does, which for me, I knew that by already being an overachiever, I would probably die if I went to Oxford, Cambridge, like genuinely I would die. I'm not going to do 8 weeks, 12 weeks crammed into 8 weeks. I'm going to university to have fun, not to kill myself academically and come home and then sleep for 2 weeks. It just it was nonsense
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Charlotte: for me, anyway. And so St. Andrews gave that kind of an experience, but
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Charlotte: more. And I was like, cool, great this is for me, and also the Scottish Highlands being far away getting to hike, and the medical training was amazing. So that's when I was like, right, I'm going to do medicine because I can. I can work for NASA. I can work for the army. I can do medicines on frontier. I can travel, I can do charity work. I get to help people, I get science, I get maths, everything, geography, anatomy. It was kind of it fitted everything.
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Charlotte: So yeah. Then I went to St. Andrews and did 3 years there absolutely loved. It was hiking every weekend.
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Charlotte: I know, Beth.
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Charlotte: I know Scotland like the back of my hand now and then went down to, because St. Andrews didn't have a hospital, so you had to do most of your science first, st and then the second. 3 years of a 6 year degree. You go and do all your time in a hospital. And so I went down to Preston, which is part of Manchester uni, and did 3 years there. And again I loved it. It's a really awesome little hospital, and it was only a 45 min drive to the Lake District. So
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Charlotte: oh, my God!
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Charlotte: Great! So I was like
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Charlotte: more mountains, more mountains. Yeah, that was a massive thread for me. Nature. Nature is a.
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Josephine McGrail: An an immense pillar of support in my life.
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Josephine McGrail: And let's just like dive into that a little bit, because that's also where you and I have such a deep connection with the whole nature thing. So I know you can't really see it here, like, I've got a little rose here, but otherwise our whole house is actually full of huge big green plants is what you can see behind me, and it's also like in our bedroom. Carla's always like juicy. We're kind of like, you know. There's more space for the plants than there is for us.
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Josephine McGrail: We call our flat. We're really blessed. We've got a big roof terrace, and we've got plants everywhere, and people keep moving out. So they keep giving, you know, they pass on their trees. So we now have a magnolia tree. We have 2 olive trees. We have 2 eucalyptus trees out there. Anyway, we call our home the Sky Garden. And so I just wanted to really dive into that, because similar to you, I also had a background where an upbringing I was really really fortunate, although I did grow up in the city of Copenhagen.
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Josephine McGrail: My great-grandmother had a gorgeous wild garden, and I was pretty much always out there, and I spent hours there by myself, and and so I, similar to, and also my kindergarten, was also outdoors. So I was always outside and similar to you. I was like putting rose petals into water, making these little potions, and like all of that, and and you know, and I also actually just wrote an article yesterday about crystals. And
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Josephine McGrail: you know the magazine was like, can you write about because I do this like Aromatherapy and crystal facials? And they were like, can you write about the wellness, aspect, and I was like, no, but I shall write about the magic of crystals, and I was doing my little memoirs yesterday, because, as a kid, which I'm sure you did as well.
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Josephine McGrail: like all kids, pick up stuff right? But I was really fascinated, especially by rocks, and it didn't matter if it was a crystal, or a stone, or any kind of rock.
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Josephine McGrail: and I would just sit there for hours staring into it and feeling this sense of communication with the stone, and whether or not you did that, or you were more into like, you know, being with the kids outside. Or if you also had those quiet moments, because I had so much time on my own as a child, just that thing of nature, and how nature
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Josephine McGrail: always meet you where you are, and nature never judges you and nature. This is something that I kept returning to throughout my whole life, and you know it used to be that I that I didn't know why I did it, and now I understand why I did it. But back then it was like
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Josephine McGrail: I just loved going to the trees, and I just
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Josephine McGrail: not only did it feel grounding and peaceful, but when I grew up later on in life, it became this thing, where, even when everything in my life felt like it was a tornado, or, like, you know, there was this massive eruption going on, I would go over, and I would literally hug the tree, and I just kept telling myself.
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Josephine McGrail: this tree has seen it all. It stands here during winter. It's here when it's summer. It's here when it's crazy hot, and the tree is just the tree. The tree is like
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Josephine McGrail: it will be what it will be. And either way life goes on. It's okay, like, I just kept going like, Give me your strength like, show me how to be a tree in my own life, because I always felt like I was just knocked over by emotions, not even events, but just like Oh, now there's this, and there's that. And so this whole thing of nature and nature, not even like as a separate. Oh, I go there for the medicine, but like
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Josephine McGrail: we are nature and for me, being in nature, and even if I can't always be outside like bringing nature welcoming nature home inside. And yeah, just it really gives me a real sense, almost like a permission slip to just be.
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Charlotte: Yeah, bring in terms of having so many plants indoors. It's making the difference between indoors and outdoors less so that there's more of an equilibrium, so that it's not like, Wow, indoors is this kind of crystalline? I don't know. Palace of nothing, nothing, no living beings, other things, because plants teach you how to be. They're just sitting there, and we are plant based. So.
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Josephine McGrail: A 100%, right? And and I. And that's also why, like, I'm loving this podcast. Already. Because when we open up today and listeners you don't notice. But the 1st thing Shalon and I were talking about all your plants behind you, you know, and it's like so true. It's that thing of like. None of our plants will ever go like. Oh, I only want to be a meter tall, so don't you dare like like you know.
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Josephine McGrail: as a human being. We're the only species that is always reflecting and stopping our own growth in so many ways. And so yes, yes, tell us more about. So. So I just want to share one thing.
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Charlotte: We also met in nature.
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Josephine McGrail: Let's go back to that. Let's.
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Charlotte: Stupid.
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Josephine McGrail: So, Charlotte, let's please take us back, because I don't even remember what year it was. I remember we were in nature in the wilderness.
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Charlotte: 17. It was 2017, I know, because I the reason I know is because I'm obsessed with boom and boom festival, and it's a it's an amazing conscious festival in Portugal that I think has. I don't know in terms of statistics, but for me it's been one of the most
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Charlotte: profound exemplifiers in the conscious festival scene of how to do a festival of a large scale that is environmentally friendly on a water level, or the most like electricity level as much as they can, obviously got massive speakers that do have to be. I don't know if they're solar powered, but compost toilets.
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Charlotte: Yeah, a lake that is still clean. An environment that is able to support a living community for the rest of the year, and the fact that they have one big party festival with a really great healing area, and on one year, and then the second alternate year is a more healing festival. And so that's where we met at being gatherings. Which, yeah, is an incredible collection of amazing healers. It's like world class people coming together to teach incredible workshops that are mind blowingly.
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Charlotte: Trauma healing. It was like, each time I go, I'm like, Wow, I've just cleared so much. This is amazing.
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Josephine McGrail: Oh, my God! And Charlotte, I'm so, you know I'm sitting here like I'm so happy. You remember everything. Because and I want to know why you actually went because I was asked to come and teach there. And I had, and you know, and I was on another job. I didn't even have time to fill out the application to teach. So one of my clients actually applied on behalf of me.
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Josephine McGrail: she was like, because she basically, she's a journalist, and she was really good friends with one of the women. That sort of host, the whole thing. And she was like, Hey, you gotta meet Josie. Josie is really good, and so she was like, I'll fill out the application for Josephine. And so, next thing you know, I got asked to come and teach there
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Josephine McGrail: and then, you know, I got asked if I wanted to bring some musicians, so I brought some friends of mine along to do the music. But but honestly, I had done 0 research and knew nothing about the festival.
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Josephine McGrail: I didn't even know a lot of the things that you just shared now. So I'm just sitting here going. Wow! You know so much about this. And I felt like I was just like a snowflake that kind of like popped in, did a little thing, and left again. So tell me, had you been going for many years before you and I met, or what brought you there specifically that year?
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Josephine McGrail: 100%. And I'm actually just gonna pause for a moment, because, as in pause, you, if you don't mind, because this thing that you keep sharing, and I love it. And it's exactly how I not even it's not even a conscious decision. It's the same way that I just sort of exist in the world like you said I made a pact with the land. This is exactly right, so you know. I don't know if you know, but I've been doing a lot of I've been running a lot of gorgeous retreats in Glastonbury.
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Josephine McGrail: That was not a conscious decision that was not a rational oh, this is a great business opportunity, like at all, like I went there when I turned 30 by myself I literally woke up one morning, and it's not the festival, by the way, I woke up one morning, and I was heartbreaking at the time, completely going through the biggest heartbreak ever, and I woke up, and I was like, and I just I heard this voice go to Glastonbury, and I was like, you know, rationally, I was like none of that made sense like why and why now? And I didn't know anything about it. And
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Josephine McGrail: but anyway, fast forward, I grabbed hold of a friend of mine that is, from there, and in a matter of 2 HI booked the ticket. I booked everything, and I went down the point for why, I'm telling you. This is when I arrived I got out of the train, and it was evening, so I couldn't see anything, but I got out of the train, and the minute I put my foot on that land I was like.
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Josephine McGrail: not only did I feel amazing, but I was like I need to continue to come back. And and so it was instant. It was instant, it was instant, it was instant, and then, after 2 days. There I was like I ended up doing a shamanic healing training, and as I even told that my teachers weren't even there, I signed up for a year's shamanic healing. And I told the receptionist I was like.
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Josephine McGrail: I was like, I feel like the biggest imposter ever doing this thing. I have no idea who these teachers are. I have no idea about fucking anything, but I've made a commitment to the land, and I need to come back, and I'm a really practical person as well, and I was like, I know me. If I just come back. If I go back to London.
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Josephine McGrail: I'm very blessed. I have a lot of work. I have a lot of opportunities. I will just get pulled right left, and you know, and then, because I've already committed to those other things I won't be able to say no. And la la! Long story short, I was like, I need to have a reason to continue to come back here once a month, so I literally almost like, if you've got a kid and you go camping, and you you push down at what is it called? Is it a plug, or what is it called? You know, one of those metal things.
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Josephine McGrail: Yeah, is that it? So, you know. So the tint can stay upright. So you push it and you plant it in the ground. I don't know what it's called, but one of those.
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Josephine McGrail: Oh, that's it. Yeah, exactly. So. It was almost like I used my shamanic one year healing training to plant me into the earth because I was like. Now there is a real reason for why I need to come back, and I can't bypass it, because I've already paid for it, and they're very strict, and they turn out to be wonderful teachers that, by the way, you know. But but the point was, they were like, if you miss a weekend. You're not allowed to come back the next, so I just had to keep going back. And so I really get this thing of
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Charlotte: It does, and it's interesting because, I have other friends that say the same about Glastonbury, and someone once said, I don't know. I haven't researched into the validity of this, but Glastonbury has. It has ley lines.
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Charlotte: And obviously across the earth. You've got magnetic field lines, and supposedly the land that boom is on has a similar one. And so people of a difference of difference.
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Charlotte: kind of almost like karmic paths are drawn to one or the other, because if you got drawn to too many, you wouldn't be able to do your karmic work in this life. So you're drawn to certain places energetically on a soul level so that you can do the work that you need to do and to heal and to evolve in consciousness. And that's why that's why I know that I've been drawn to Portugal, and every year I meet a new partner.
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Charlotte: But sadly, they don't last more than a year. So I'm gonna work on that.
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Josephine McGrail: No, but I mean, please share as much as you like about that, because in the end of the day I completely agree, and also, by the way, so I know that you mentioned that you know your mom and dad are still together. Blah blah blah! But in the end of the day.
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Josephine McGrail: regardless of the physical family we we choose to come into. When we land on this planet we are each an individual soul with our each individual soul, Karma, right? And our contracts that we've made. And so
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Josephine McGrail: I deeply believe, just like we choose the land and the land chooses us, and what we are longing for is also longing for us, like we're always being met halfway, and we're being met halfway for a reason. And usually that reason is way deeper than our gorgeous little ego wants to understand, you know, like the ego is like, oh, I'm in charge here. You should just stop doing this thing it's like, no, there's something so much deeper at play here, so do feel free to share Charlotte. I'm always. I'm very curious about this one. If you feel up for it.
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Charlotte: Yeah, it's really curious. So 2016, I'd already made my partner at the time had broken up. But we'd bought tickets to go to boom together, and he told me about the festival, and we'd actually met at Cytrance party. So I've been into cytrance probably since the last 2 years of medical school, where before that I went to freshers, you know, like
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Charlotte: student Union University, and was like, What is this? People are dancing to this cheesy stuff, so I never went. I never went dancing during university. I didn't really drink. I was very studious, and and it was like hiking, exercising, or studying. That was me.
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Charlotte: Why I look really young. But then, when I heard Sidetrance, I said to my housemate at the time, I'm like, What is this music. My body wants to move.
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Charlotte: I can actually dance. I'm actually creative. And so then she's like Charlotte, this is this is ambient side. It's like, Take me to where they play.
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Josephine McGrail: I am so excited, and I can't believe that this happened. That's very interesting.
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Josephine McGrail: Oh, oh, my God! So basically, you went from doing having 3 things that felt like your identity to all of a sudden being like
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Charlotte: Yeah, totally during medical school, I mean, I'd actually been anorexic for quite a while. And so my world was not only narrow because of medicine, but it was narrow because of anorexia. And then what Cytron started to do for me was open me up to a world of acceptance, non-judgment, and love. Most people are on the drugs that they choose mdma and psychedelics. There's, you know, it's not necessarily
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Charlotte: there are other drugs that are less frequently used, that other genres and other groups of the society who choose to take drugs choose to take. Say, for example, cocaine cocaine isn't a very common drug insiderance, and each drug has a different energy quality. And so
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Charlotte: thinking back to the original Goa trance in the sixties and seventies, it's all about love. And yeah. Lsd, like the hippie Erie, it's all about love. And so I started to find tribe
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Charlotte: that were totally accepting of me in a way that I'd during adolescence and some things to do with family rejected parts of myself that I couldn't love myself. And so to then be met in that space of okay, I'm not just the nerdy one. I'm actually, I'm actually attractive.
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Charlotte: Yeah, totally. And it was like coming home. It was like my soul in a style of psychotherapy. I study the Rudolf Steiner.
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Charlotte: Talk about the soul incarnating into the body, and it's like the soul can fully embody. And if you can't fully embody your body, you're not going to be able to do your karmic purpose because you're not fully here. And so that's the problem. With eating disorders. You separate. You're not fully in your body, because the body is a scary place for whatever historical trauma. And so what sidetrance started to do was help me heal my eating disorder.
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Charlotte: Yeah, because of the community, because healing comes through community because the parts that are rejected are rejected in sort of community as well. So you've got all the lack of community, both. So, yeah, yeah. And
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Charlotte: that's where I started to meet friends, partners because there were people on the same page. They were non judgmental, they were accepting. It was kind of like cool. We looked after each other.
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Charlotte: And that. Yeah. After a while I got a bit fed up of the London, the underground scene and kind of that's where I started to go to festivals because it's all open air. You don't have to be in an underground or like indoors, and that was massive for me.
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Charlotte: And so in 2016 went to boom for the 1st time. I was like, this is amazing, and me and my ex were just on great terms, and that year I met another partner for a short period of time, and then, in 2017, I heard about being gatherings, and I was like, I'm going. And I went on my own. I was like, I'm happy going places on my own when I know my soul is called to go there.
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Charlotte: 2023 went. Met a new partner which was like, they're always beautiful. Amazing romances.
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Charlotte: Yeah, incredible, really. And we're we're not together now, but we're on really good terms. He sold me his van. So now I have a little van to convert, which is amazing.
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Charlotte: Yeah. And then last year I was being gatherings. I went again on my own and met another partner. And then we parted ways. And now I'm like
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Charlotte: And then I'm like, this time I'm going to do more work to kind of yeah, this I've been on a long journey with different relationships because of my eating disorder. There's a lot of fear of rejection.
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Charlotte: I have been able to demonstrate independency, and therefore I'd rather be on my own with the wrong person
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Charlotte: because of karmic purpose, because I realize that if souls join forces and they're not actually compatible, but out of codependency, then you you can obliterate your soul purpose in that life, and you can make it very difficult. And then, if you have kids or you have houses and mortgages and just things, it gets so much more complicated. So I've been very wary of that, and sometimes maybe a bit too wary. You know, that I can cut off from opportunities out of
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Josephine McGrail: honestly, just thank you so much for sharing all of that. My heart just reaches out and give you the biggest hug ever that is so so beautiful, to share so much and so openly and so passionately, with so much love for your own healing, but also for the healing of everyone else that might be listening. And I just want to highlight a few things, because again.
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Josephine McGrail: I really believe that we come together when we're supposed to come together for the time that we're supposed to come together. For so, 1st of all, you and me coming together here today, and you sharing so openly about your eating disorder and
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Josephine McGrail: you know I was. I always say, oh, I was anorexic when I was a teenager, and the thing is, I believe that actually, once you have experienced that, and you've got into that part of yourself, it never leaves you. It's just. Oh, I acknowledge that this part of me exists, and I also acknowledge where that part wants to take me.
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Josephine McGrail: and then I have another 500 parts that are like, no, let's not go there, let's go another place, and let's share about it, and let me get support. And and you know, having the ability to live in the fullness
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Josephine McGrail: of the experience of of all that exist within all of us. Right? I mean, you know, the aspect of
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Josephine McGrail: a very critical inner critic is nothing new to anyone. It's just that most people don't talk about it, and they don't share about it. A lot of people feel really ashamed, deeply ashamed. And especially if you're a therapist yourself, and people can sit there and go. Oh, but I should know better, and it's like, of course you shouldn't. You're a human being, you know, we're all doing the best that we can. And also again, like in just like massive high 5 to you, because obviously it's what you do, but I always share it with people. It's like
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Josephine McGrail: I will never fully be able to know what it's like to be in your shoes, but at least, if I have walked half of the way, then at least I have some kind of physical understanding of it, and you know you're sharing that whole thing of like, you know.
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Josephine McGrail: And again, if you're sitting there as a listener and you're like, Oh, I don't have an eating disorder. Okay, very, very happy for you. But what we can all relate to is having a voice within our head that tells us who we are who we are, not.
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Josephine McGrail: what we are allowed to do, and what we absolutely mustn't do, or what others mustn't do, because the world is scary and, like you said with that voice. If we, if we don't question that voice, or if we don't create spaces within our own experience, where we are allowed to stay compassionately curious. And we're allowed to just
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Josephine McGrail: If we don't do that, then we create a prison around ourselves, and I certainly done that so many times in my life until I was like, Oh, my God! My world got small again, you know. And then like, oh, yeah, because I'm actually crazy fucking afraid, like so deeply afraid. Okay, and that's not oh, we pushed scared Josie out. It's like, No, no, I'm bringing her home.
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Josephine McGrail: So, yeah, I just really wanted to to share that with you. Oh, yay! And hence why also, like I was like, Oh, we have another connection point. And hence why, again, what was really interesting about this whole nature thing is is that
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Josephine McGrail: But what you really said was like. I chose it because there would be lots of hiking nearby like you chose it because of the location as well. Right like that was a big deal, and and having that, and and then, you know, like our. And it was also close to the Lake district again. The location it was like it was almost the bridge to get you to where you really wanted to be.
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Charlotte: Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah. And it also highlights how important environment is. And thinking back to days where we were more nomadic environment was survival. You needed to go where the water was, where the trees were for shelter, where it was for firewood, where it was for animals to eat.
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Josephine McGrail: And it's also again relating back to nature and relating back to being a plant. Because, you know, as human beings, we always think we're so complex and complicated. But actually, we're not above our environment.
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Josephine McGrail: Okay, if you have to go and work for a specific time in a specific place, and there's no other option, I get it. But honestly, you know, there's certain things you can do to support yourself the best way that you can, but in the end of the day, like, if your soil is not nourishing you.
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Charlotte: Like trees. I like your analogy of being a tree. I've often thought that, and a lot of my artwork is being a tree. I do a lot of art therapy both for myself and offering. It's 1 of my favorite things, because it allows you to bypass the conscious mind and bring up subconscious material very quickly that you wouldn't be able to do just through talking. And a lot of it's to do with trees recently, anyway, and and historically. And it's this, you need to have really strong roots
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Charlotte: to be able to offer out a massive canopy. And if you keep trying to offer a canopy before you've got roots, you just fall over, and that can be an explanation why people might keep having repeated crises or not getting where they want to go is because, have you looked at your roots? Have you really been digging deep and supporting yourself environmentally, socially, like physically, all these things that we need to look at, and so you can only go as high as you've gone deep.
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Josephine McGrail: yeah. I'm just. I'm so fascinated by trees. And it's always been again, my own my own inner anchor point every single time I noticed that, because again, in my own experience of life, I most people that know me, they'll be like. Oh, Josie is always so happy and excited, and it's true, like I'm a lot of the time. I have an extremely. I have a sort of like eternally positive sort of ever like, I'll probably work out attitude to most things in life, right? But at the same time I have
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Josephine McGrail: the height of the tree and the height of its branches, and the height of the trunk is completely equal to the the depth of its roots, so as above, so below. And that's always a really nice one, especially if you're someone that again, as a listener, you know not everyone has had the privilege of diving deep inside themselves, out of necessity or out of whatever it was. You know. Also a lot of people are super scared, and a lot of people are really fast-paced, live, and you know all the rest of it. But
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Josephine McGrail: oh, but anyway, Charlotte, I want to hear. I'm going to pick up my 5,000 white roses that fell on the floor a minute ago. I think Nature was just like, Wow!
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Josephine McGrail: Can you tell us something about? So you're saying? You've got your own gorgeous practice, and you're saying you're using art therapy. And what else are you? Are you offering up. I'm so excited to hear about it.
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Charlotte: So I'm in the process of building my website and getting, I'm getting a logo designed and things like that to to have more of a professional representation or presentation of myself or online.
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Charlotte: But I offer art therapy, which is like, yeah, one to one. We do some art in a session, most of it online at the moment. So I can do it anywhere with someone anywhere in the world. And that can be a single session, or it can be multiple, either going over the same piece or doing repeated new pieces. And it's I find it completely profound. And I've done. I've done it
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Charlotte: since 2019, actually, myself as a process, and that's why I love it so much, and I trained in it to be able to share it. And I also offer psychotherapy. So more just just general talking and with maybe you know, popping ideas in there. But it's based on Rudolph Steiner's philosophy of
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Charlotte: developmental years affect our later years, and also how that can be used to understand what our karmic purposes. So it's all. So it's all soul related. That's why it's like spiritual psychotherapy, and I love it. It's like fairies and magic.
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Josephine McGrail: Oh, my God, okay. So now you got me hooked. So my mom, basically, she studied Rudolph Steiner as well. And she used to work in a kindergarten. So she was working with development for kids. And she's like the biggest advocate for like looking after kids and empowering kids and all the rest of it. But I'm super excited about this thing that you said of how
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Josephine McGrail: what we experience in the early years. So I would imagine, from being born up until year 7. That's what we normally call the very super important years of a human being's life, right? Because they sort of lay the foundation. But could you tell us a little bit about how that thing of you said?
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Josephine McGrail: You know, looking back onto those years and understanding the traumas that took place there can help us understand our sole purpose, because I understand how it can help, you know, understand our traumas and how we can go in and help it. But that thing of like oh, so maybe, instead of thing of like.
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Josephine McGrail: how the trauma that you experienced at a specific age, that specific trauma holds the key to your specific soul purpose. Would that be right? Something like.
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Charlotte: Totally. Yeah, exactly, absolutely. Yeah. And it's it's not just the 1st 7 years. It's actually the 1st 21.
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Charlotte: So the idea is that you have septenials every 7 years we go through a new phase of development. So the 1st 7 years, as you said, is very important, because it's laying the foundation. And that's particularly the way we think, because it's our nervous system, it's being in the body. So if you have a trauma like literally a physical trauma, like an accident falling out of a window, a car accident, a trauma to the body in those 1st 7 years that's going to be imprinted in your nervous system, so that at any point in the future
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Charlotte: you may have a fear of falling. That will be because you've had that experience before, or you don't like driving fast in cars, because you've had that experience in that. It will be, or if you've been an experience of abuse, then that's going to be ingrained in your body. If it was before the age of 7, and
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Charlotte: then the second 7 years is 7 to 14. And that's it's called the etheric body. It's like the Chi or the pranic body. And that's related to plants. And so yeah, that's really interesting. Because then that's a time when you can be doing things in later life. Things like
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Charlotte: Yoga, Pranayama, Qigong Tai Chi energy work. And you'll be helping heal that that layer of your existence, not physically, but also spiritually and in time. And then 14 to 21 is the final septenial, the 3, and that's when it's called the astral body, which will. Many people are familiar with astral projection. And that's the body that actually sort of I like to think of it like Russian dolls.
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Charlotte: So each body sits inside the other, and each one needs to be sufficiently developed in order to hold space for the next one in the right, in the way that it's meant to, and what trauma does or impacts to the body, or those different phases, impacts the ability of that
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Charlotte: that segment to hold the next one. So if you have it repeatedly in each centennial, then you're going to have fractures in that capacity to hold the soul.
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Charlotte: The idea being, if you had a perfect development which no one has by then.
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Charlotte: by the age of 21, your soul would be fully in your body, and you'd be like great. I'm ready to do life. I know who I am. I know what I want to do, Boom. I'm off, you know, like the train's gone. That doesn't happen to many people. It's more like by the time you get to 41 you're like cool. I think I know what I want to do. If you're lucky, maybe 65 you're like, and some people never. They just potter through life, and that's fine. It just depends on what kind of a life you're wanting to live. And I think those who are more soul seekers
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Charlotte: we'll start to notice, and these are probably the ones that have either have had crises that wake them up to the necessity to do this inner diving, or just out of curiosity. They've, you know, it's coming from a mindful approach of like, Wow, actually, I want to understand, not because I'm going through something difficult. But I'm just curious, more from a philosophical, studious point of view.
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Charlotte: If, if, for example, these traumas happen at different phases, and you're sort of managing after 21, you go and do your things. But then, later in life, you might get cancer. You might have a heart attack. You might have an eating disorder that really gets to the point where you're like, shit, I can't do this anymore.
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Charlotte: Those are the things that force you to wake up to hang on. Something's not quite right. And mainstream medicine would say, it's just cancer. We need to treat it with this. It's just an eating disorder. We'll treat it with this. And actually, when you
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Charlotte: come at it from the spiritual perspective, too, you can say, Okay, that's sort of true. But we also have this completely. Other other component is being missed. And
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Charlotte: in someone who's experiencing recovery or treatment for cancer, they're going to meet a lot of people. They're going to start questioning. Okay, what do I need to do about my diet other than chemotherapy or surgery or radiotherapy? What else do I need to do? Hopefully, I mean, some people don't. It's just that's that. But others may actually think
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Charlotte: I need to go and have some therapy. I need to work through this. I'm going to survive. But I need to work through this. And so the working through that experience or that crisis
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Charlotte: can bring up material from childhood that links to the cause of that cancer in childhood. And so that you've got someone like Gaba Mate who says autoimmune conditions and cancers are related to suppressed emotions, for example, but also trauma and adverse childhood experiences. So
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Charlotte: that can. Then, for example, if you chose to, then go to therapy, you could talk about these things, and that would probably help. This is a hypothesis, but a lot of the anthropical studies have shown that there is improvement in people who go through therapy because they're then dealing with the core material from these 21 years of development that are impacting the current phase of life.
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Charlotte: and in doing so you then may discover new parts of yourself that weren't accessed in that developmental, those developmental years
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Charlotte: opportunities in the now, or, for example, you may then seek out healing modalities that you need to be able to recover from what you're going through. And so, for example, you might find
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Charlotte: an amazing new diet that. Then you're like, Wow, I need to share this diet with people. And then that becomes your coming purpose. You're now a chef, and you're sharing these amazing food, or you to recover from a traumatic experience, you you find that breathwork is really powerful. And so then you train in breathwork therapy and you start becoming a breath work therapist. And you're like, Wow, this is me.
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Charlotte: So that's how I see that your trauma can become your comic. An aspect of your comic purpose.
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Josephine McGrail: A 100%. And I mean, that's basically the story of my life. So I'm just sitting here, going. Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, but I love it, you know, like I. Again I wrote this thing the other day, you know. Sometimes your greatest pain can become your greatest purpose, and there is so much truth in that. And also I know we are. You know I know we only have an hour together here today. So I know again as listeners. This can sound very much like we are just, you know.
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Josephine McGrail: scooping through something that is so deep and so multilayered and so multifaceted. And you know, that's not to take anything away from anyone's experience. Obviously, it's not just, hey, you just need to go and do the work. And then, yeah, your pain could, too, become your purpose. But but just that thing even, you know, even if someone's listening today, Charlotte and I know you really really did believe in that, too. Like, even if just one person from today goes
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Josephine McGrail: Maybe there is. Maybe there's real light here in the darkness, maybe actually, what I've always been wanting to push away. Not only am I ready to get support with it, but actually fuck, and I keep swearing because I'm so passionate about it. Maybe my pain, maybe everything that on a level I decided to go through.
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Josephine McGrail: And I like that. I decided to go through Xyz, so that I would know in my bones what it feels like to be in that place, so that then I can help whoever comes into my life, and when they, you know, I'll create a space where they feel safe enough to share it.
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Josephine McGrail: and I will not judge them the way I used to judge myself, and I will not tell them to just shut up the way I used to do that to myself, and I will, you know, instead, I will hold their hand and tell them that there is nothing they can share about themselves that would ever make me judge them.
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Josephine McGrail: So I really yeah, that really speaks to me. That's super powerful and.
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Charlotte: I got goose pimples.
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Charlotte: It makes total sense. It's the way I approach my clients. It's like you. You help people suffer. My my motto is.
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Charlotte: if any of what I've experienced can go to value, of helping someone else suffer even just a little bit less than I have. That's the job well done.
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Josephine McGrail: A 100%, Charlotte and I am, you know, I feel so deeply also that that's why I, even though at, you know, at the being gathering, even though I didn't spend a lot of time with you there, I just I felt such a genuine sense of connection and care to you like, I just you know, I met you and I was like, I.
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Josephine McGrail: I always get a really strong feeling about people. But my main feeling is actually just whether or not someone is genuine. It's okay. You're getting your visitors as well. It's a visitors, kind of day, Carlos, never coming on a podcast he's here. You guys, all good but community, right? But you know, like that thing about you and me like this thing of
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Josephine McGrail: like there is no bullshit like nothing that nothing about you or nothing that you do is about performance or ego, or you know, it's really just right. And I'm exactly the same. It's like, Oh, my God, I couldn't tell us like, it's not about. I know my podcast is my name. But that was just out of ease. And I was like, well, everyone will be able to find it. But but the thing was like like you said, if the pain that I've gone through can help. Just one person.
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Josephine McGrail: then it was worth it like, this is, this is so. It's such an important thing, because in a life.
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Josephine McGrail: in a life that is so fragile for many so short, you know.
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Josephine McGrail: to look for the, for, for the, for the Golden Nugget. In every single experience we have, or to choose to not go that way at all, and that's everyone's choice but
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Josephine McGrail: I see you, and I'm super proud of you. And oh, Charlotte, we will put all the details for all your amazing art therapy and the other modalities that you offer in the in the notes, in the podcast so everyone can come and see you. And I really love this also, this whole thing of how
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Josephine McGrail: you have a very 360 holistic approach to healing and to empowering and to holding space with people. And it's exactly the same thing that I do. So it's like
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Josephine McGrail: mine is called. Well, now, I call it Grail Healing, because I was like, well, let's give it. Let's actually let's use my name for once, and now it's Grail healing. But, in short, it's everything. And it continues to develop right because everyone needs different things. But what I really love about your approach is that it's an embodiment. Again, it's the divine is in the body. It's not out here. God is not out here.
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Josephine McGrail: Universe, God, whatever you want to call it, life itself. Life, force is in us.
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Josephine McGrail: and creating a space where we actually want to be in the body like you when you started dancing. And you were like, Oh, body is good. Not only is body safe, but body feels great, right.
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Charlotte: Them for a reason. And I think it's yeah. The the body is God's gift to us as a vessel to house us through this life.
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Charlotte: and it's really important to take care of it, but also to enjoy being in it, and the less we damage it, the more we can enjoy being it, and also the longer we can be in it and enjoy it. And I think that's something that I'm again. It's 1 of the reasons I take such great care of my body, and I like
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Charlotte: do look healthy is because I take great care of it, because I know how precious it is. The Buddhists often say, this precious human life like you're given this life as a human being. Your soul is in a human body, this life, which is amazing. Because we could have been an ant. We could have been anything. But we're we're human. And to really take care of it, but also to share the practices and say like, sometimes it is hard, but other times it's really fun. It doesn't have to always be hard.
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Josephine McGrail: No, a hundred percent. You're still right.
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Josephine McGrail: Yeah. Yeah. And the joyful and the pleasure of having senses right? Like the pleasure of taste inside. And you can see the people that you love, and you can see the colors, and you can hear. And yeah, all of it, and the touch. And oh, yes, no. This is a really really good point as well, my lovely. I want to ask you, because I could speak to you all day, Charlotte.
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Josephine McGrail: with everything that you've experienced so far in your life. So I know you've experienced so much, and you have such a great level of depth and understanding and awareness, and, above all, compassion with yourself and with, you know, life itself. But if there was just one, or maybe 2 soul messages that you would like to share, what would it be.
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Charlotte: I think all the challenges that I had, particularly the ones in the last few years. They've brought me closer and closer to the concept of God or God consciousness, and it's a bit cliche. But
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Charlotte: this idea that it's really not your way. It's God's way, and and therefore you can surrender that you don't have to worry so much. And I think all these challenges, these like massive slaps in the face or like fall downs. They're so that you realize you're not in control. I'm not doing this to hurt you. I'm doing this. So if you wake up, you don't have to worry.
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Charlotte: it's not on you. It's on something much, much greater than you. And therefore you can let go. And that's yeah. So these repeated traumas and hits are in order to let go
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Charlotte: so that can take the pressure off that you're you're not being punished. It's not because you're a bad person. It's actually you're being given a gift, every insult or injury, not someone literally punching you in the face. But these life experiences and challenges are there as gifts because they catalyze healing, but also have the opportunity to bring you closer to your inner divinity and
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Josephine McGrail: And I loved that so much because I Oh, my God! You and I are so similar! I'm going to have to get your birth date in a second. We're checking that out in a second. Listen listen in. But I just want to ask, because I keep having this thing that keeps saying.
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Josephine McGrail: you know, 1st of all, let go and let God. And again, whatever your concept of God is, you know, for me it's just life, force, life, intelligence, life. I don't know life, but whatever word resonates with you but and then I keep having this other thing, which is, there's a much bigger plan here for you. There's a much bigger. And so, 1st of all, something as mundane, because again, we love everyday life. So you know, you're standing waiting for your tube.
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Josephine McGrail: and the tube is, you know, the train breaks down, and now you're inside the tube, and it's broken down, and so you can't make it to a thing, and
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Josephine McGrail: I'm not saying it's easy to always just go. Oh, this is probably for a greater purpose. But actually, from where I said, it really is, it really is. And so if there's anything that I know, I asked you, and then I'm like, but I just want to add in this little thing like, you know, practicing, living in this way of surrender, which is so beautiful, living in a way of surrender. It's like, even in the mundane moment, or your tube didn't come. Oh, good! Oh, goody! Oh, yay.
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Josephine McGrail: something better! And even if that something better temporarily causes discomfort in the long run. We don't know if that tube had come, maybe it would have, I mean, sorry for the expression. Maybe it would have. That would have been an explosion. And actually, that was the end of your life, like we don't know. And also we don't know by standing on the platform for 10 min later, maybe you're going to meet the love of your life.
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Josephine McGrail: We don't know like there is so much we don't know, but but because we don't know. We have 2 options. We can either go. Oh, it's probably because bad things are happening or we can go.
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Josephine McGrail: Maybe there's something better like something else. That's something which created you and I, and it continues to breathe life into you and I. And that brought us here on the planet, and that decides how long we stick around for wherever we go next.
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Josephine McGrail: why wouldn't have a bigger plan? Because everything again, if we look at nature, nature is super precise, like crazy, precise, you know, and you really notice, like, you know, if my temperature, if I jump up and down and my temperature starts to go up a little bit my body will be like. Let's start to sweat. Let's release some heat like it's all taken care of.
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Josephine McGrail: It's all taken care of to the tiny little microsecond, you know. And so why wouldn't our life? Why wouldn't that be part of it? So that thing of like exactly like you said complete surrender. And then also that other thing of
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Josephine McGrail: it's not just about my life and my thing. It's the greater. It's the community, just like you know how you said, how we started out with you saying, actually, when something happens in the family, we're all on board straight away, and we might have our own individual things going on. But like when something like that, we're all on board. And I think.
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Josephine McGrail: you know, in the end of a day. No one goes through, no one goes, no, no one comes out through life alive like we're all going through this time and space reality right? Making the most of it in the best ways that we know. And even Dad brings us in the same. Let's hold hands. Let's hold each other's hands. Let's walk each other home, you know that sense of community. So anyway, back to you, I'm just sitting here going. Yes, surrender, surrender, surrender.
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Charlotte: No, totally. You've led on to my second one, which is is linked to community, and that's the necessity of
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Charlotte: like whatever you're going through when when things get hard, whether it's physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, we have this conditioning in Western society, particularly that
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Charlotte: you're stronger. If you face it on your own, or you're meant to face it on your own. You're meant to be an independent individual. It's like you're an individual, but you are no way independent from anyone else. Your food is reliant on a hundred other people, 100,000 other people. You know everything, your water, your electricity, everything is reliant on everyone else. You are not independent at all.
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Charlotte: Yeah. When we face challenges, then the necessity to be independent comes in. You're like, where did that come from? It's so weird, you know, like in the wars they didn't fight on their own. They fought in a massive army soldier going across No Man's Land, and we're like, I'm going to kill everyone.
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Charlotte: It's like, no, they had a whole army and the same. But it's so easy when you're facing a difficulty to be like, oh, shut down! I've got to deal with myself. And so I think my biggest message there is
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Charlotte: problem you're facing at any point in life because you're actually meant to. Maybe that's actually the reason you're getting this challenge is to seek people out because they're the stepping stones. Not only could that be your next best friend or the next modality that you're meant to train in to then offer out. They're just it's building a network and linking back to trees. Humans are like the mycelium network. So trees communicate with each other and spread information of, you know.
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Charlotte: bacteria and parasites and things that need to be killed, but also positive information and energy and nutrients. And I think humans are the same. We're all connected, and some people are more connected because of soul frequency and sole purpose. And so you're meant to follow and ask for help, because the reason, if you didn't
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Charlotte: have this challenge, you probably wouldn't go and meet these people. They might not happen by chance. You have to have be given a quest. God gives you a quest to go and seek out these people, and so
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Charlotte: turning on its head. And I, I still struggle to to ask for help when I'm in in challenges, and because of all that conditioning. But when I do, then I see the the benefits of it. It's like, Oh, why didn't I do that sooner? Yeah.
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Josephine McGrail: My God! I'm just sitting here going like you saw my thumbs up which no one can see. I'm like yes, yes, yes, yes, and more. Yes, and it's so interesting, exactly like you said that thing of
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Josephine McGrail: you get a thing, whether that's a pain or whether that's a challenge, could even just be like your window breaks, or whatever it is, something where something
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Josephine McGrail: fuck. I can't do this by myself, and then you reach out right and like you said like that thing happens. So again that gives you a carrot. It's your bridge you have to. Now go and connect to someone else, and the bridge that you're holding in your hand. Is that broken window, or whatever that gives you the reason that gives you the the in? Oh, yay, I've got that thing. So now I'm allowed to actually ask for help. Right? But what's really interesting is that what created that condition? In the 1st place, where your was? Your deep sense of loneliness
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Josephine McGrail: in the inner critic which is like, Hey, hey? You're by yourself. I don't know my inner critic, for some reason, has a really low voice. But you know, it's so interesting. So in that I just, wanna I want to share a little story that I love so much. So this thing of being seen right? So we reach out for help, and actually.
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Josephine McGrail: as a human being. And this is so good that you see that we are not here to do anything by ourselves, very few things, actually by ourselves, because otherwise we would have a planet to ourselves if we were supposed to do it right. We are here a hundred percent as a collective.
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Josephine McGrail: And the healing occurs
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Josephine McGrail: when we witness the same way with meditation, we allow ourselves to witness all of the emotions, trying to not judge them right, and the same thing from person to person. The healing occurs when we allow ourselves to be seen by another. The healing occurred when you were in that amazing festival, dancing up and down, and and you were, you were allowing yourself to be seen, and the group was seeing you, and you were seeing them. It was a complete gorgeous mirror that was taking place and the healing occurred sort of naturally it was an embodiment, right?
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Josephine McGrail: So here's a little little add on to that.
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Josephine McGrail: So healing happens when we allow ourselves to be witness, and with someone we feel safe with. But we can also do that in nature. So we go out into nature, and we witness nature right, but actually, and I heard this the other day, and I hadn't thought about it. I don't think I've ever really thought about it. Ask nature not just to heal you, because that I've done a lot, but ask nature to witness you.
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Josephine McGrail: So you go out into nature and you're seeing the tree, and you're feeling the tree, and you're feeling its energy. And you're giving energy to the tree. And you're receiving the tree. But ask the tree to witness you to really see you, and even if you're not in nature in your home, ask the home to see you as much as you're seeing it.
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Josephine McGrail: because we're always in relation.
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Josephine McGrail: So I just wanted to add that on as a little caviar that was something I heard the other day, and I was like, I love this. We can ask our surroundings to see us.
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Josephine McGrail: Is interesting, right? So it's not just us looking out
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Josephine McGrail: outer world is actually taking us into.
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Charlotte: And then what do you see? As a result of that, like, you start to notice more flowers, because actually, the flower that the world is then mirroring what you are, is it.
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Josephine McGrail: Oops.
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Josephine McGrail: perhaps. Yes, but I think it's also the fact that you then notice that you're always in relationship, and that means you're not alone, even when you're in your own home, and even if it's something that can look very solid as a chair or your wall, it can be anything but that your home is witnessing you is seeing you taking you in as much as you are seeing your home. So then you're no longer alone in your experience.
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Josephine McGrail: Yeah.
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Josephine McGrail: So there was a little food for thought. There.
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Charlotte: Amazing.
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Josephine McGrail: Charlotte. This has been magnificent.
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Charlotte: I believe you know.
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Josephine McGrail: Honestly, I've learned so much by you and just being in your amazing energy. And you sort of
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Josephine McGrail: I know again for listeners. If you watch Youtube, you can see the whole amazing podcast here. And you can see the gorgeous Charlotte live.
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Charlotte: Excuse me.
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Josephine McGrail: But if you are just listening, Charlotte, you just remind me so much of like, I hope this is okay with you, but like a nature fairy like I just I see this like Nature Fairy, and and I love it so much. It's just so beautiful. Your energy is amazing, Charlotte. I'm going to ask you, is there any final words that you want to share? But otherwise, let's let's stop here because we could keep going.
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Charlotte: Yeah, no. I think those are all the amazing salient points. And I really enjoyed the discussion. Yeah, yeah, I look forward to hanging out.
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Josephine McGrail: 100%. Listen, I'm going to pause the recording. I'll see you on the other side. And to listeners, just thank you so much for listening in, and you find all the details about Charlotte. Please go and see her. She is an absolute being of light. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So I'm just going to pause.
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