#47 Jodie Tyack Feel it All- Let Your Feeling Be Your Healing

Jodie Tyack is an actress, writer, and occasional DJ. 
Originally from the West Country - she traded cows, sheep and endless fields for the hustle and bustle of London at 18 and went on to train at The Royal Academy Of Dramatic Art a year later.

Catch up with her here:

IMDB: 

http://imdb.me/jodie-tyack

Voice Rep:
https://saysovoices.com/talent/jodie-tyack/

See her in action here:

Agatha Raisin (S3/4)
https://www.sky.com/watch/series/63a38108-0ced-461c-8d12-84975ee30405

Wreck (S1/2)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0d0tkvj/wreck

Noughts and Crosses (S1)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p082w992/noughts-crosses

Unforgotten (S2)
https://www.itv.com/watch/unforgotten/2a3372

Patience (S2)
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/patience

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Transcript

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Josephine McGrail: Yay, yay, yay! I feel like we need to start with a little song, because this is actually my first podcast of 2026.

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Jodie Tyack: It's very exciting, it's very exciting, and to listeners out there, I'm sitting down today, I'm sitting down from my Bangkok home. We are here for a month, and actually been out looking at places, because we love the city so much, but that's a side note. Today is all about the gorgeous Jodi Tayak.

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Josephine McGrail: You are an actress, writer, and an occasional DJ, originally from the West Country, where you traded cows, sheep, and endless fields for the hustle and bustle of London at 18, and went directly on a train to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art a year later. Welcome, Jodi! I'm so excited to have you here. Thank you so much for coming!

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Jodie Tyack: Oh, thank you so much for having me, Josie.

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Josephine McGrail: So amazing.

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Jodie Tyack: D.

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Josephine McGrail: And, I know, it's so nice to start the new year with you, and also, what is so cool is that you and I met not that long ago, and we met in a… we met at a sauna! Listen, to listeners out there where, you know, you're like, what the fuck?

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Josephine McGrail: Saunas are the best place to meet people, because it's like, you already have one thing in common that you love, right? You're doing that sauna thing, and actually, we were not only sauna-ing, we were also cold plunging. I was very proud of us.

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Josephine McGrail: So this is where we met a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago or something, and and we instantly clicked, and I feel like you guessed my astrology, you guessed that I was Saggy, whichever.

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Jodie Tyack: I did, yeah.

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Josephine McGrail: I was very impressed by. And I immediately also loved you, because in the sauna, we were asked to share, you know, words of wisdom and intent in something that had come up from the session, and you very courageously stepped forward and said something really beautiful that I'm not going to say here, because it's, you know, it's sacred and it was for you, but it really resonated with me, and I just thought.

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Josephine McGrail: you know, such a beautiful woman to share in this space where most of the people are like, oh, I want to say something, but I'm too shy, and then you, Jodie, just sat there, you were, like, on the bench, in the sauna, drenched in sweat slash cold plunge, and you were like, this is how I feel. So yeah, super powerful, it's really, really good to have you on here. Jodie, let's get started with the beginning. I've always loved

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Josephine McGrail: to take, my guests back in time, because I think it's super important that we get to understand a little bit about where you're from and how life was for you growing up. So, as always, you can go as deep or as light-hearted as you like. Anything I'm asking you where you're like, oh, I don't want to talk about that, you just say that. So, this is all about you feeling amazing and happy and all of that good stuff. Jodi, tell us about it.

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Josephine McGrail: you from… Who did you grow up with?

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Jodie Tyack: So, I grew up,

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Jodie Tyack: it's, like, we're right on the border of Oxfordshire and Gloucestershire, so… but I'm kind of… yeah, so I just tell people, like, Bristol. And people always say, like, you've got a bit of a twang of an accent, so I'm like, do I? But, yeah, so I grew up,

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Jodie Tyack: them, and I always had, kind of, a passion for

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Jodie Tyack: acting, and my mum really was kind of the main catalyst, because I think my brother was really into football, and I had to go and watch him on Saturdays, like, play football, and I used to, like, entertain the mums on the sidelines, because I was like… I hated being there, but I was like, I can do this.

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Jodie Tyack: And so, she saw an advert in the paper for a Chipping Norton pantomime when I think I was 8, and I auditioned, and I also had, like, such a deep voice. I remember people asking me if I, like, chain-smoked, and I was like, I'm 8.

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Josephine McGrail: Thank you.

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, so I was… I kind of felt very, like, unusual growing up, and kind of like I didn't fit in, and I think it was really down to my mum, who…

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Jodie Tyack: yeah, she found this thing in the paper, and I auditioned, and I got a part in it, and then I did the pantomime every year then.

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Jodie Tyack: for 5 years, and I think I earned, like, a pound a show, so I, like, literally thought I was rich by the end of it. I was like, I'm rolling in it. I've got, like, you know, I think I've earned, like, 40, 50 pounds throughout the whole, like, show, and I was like, I'm winning.

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Jodie Tyack: But yeah, so it was really down to her. She kind of really nurtured… well, and my dad, you know, sort of saw that I had this…

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Jodie Tyack: Creative spark, and they kind of really encouraged me to pursue it.

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Josephine McGrail: Amazing, I love that. Tell us about your deep voice, because, you know, I love that they were super supportive of you, that's so beautiful, because as we all know, that is definitely far from the truth of the reality for a lot of people growing up, so the fact that both your parents were like, actually, this is really Jodie's thing, so let's support that, I loved it. But your voice thing, so honestly, like, because

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Josephine McGrail: I don't… I don't… I don't think you have a deep voice at all right now, so, like, like, what was this deep voice? Was it, like, unusually deep for your age, or, like…

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, it was always something that people commented on.

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Jodie Tyack: And I remember the first… the audition, when I was 8, we had to kind of sing our name, and I remember everyone, you know, was kind of like, my name's blah blah blah blah. I was just like, my name's… like, it was just this really deep kind of… I think everyone was a bit like, she's kind of weird.

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Jodie Tyack: But yeah, it was just always something that… that… I felt quite…

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Jodie Tyack: was quite unusual, or different, and it was, yeah, it was just something that people commented on. So, yeah, I learned to kind of roll with that, and that's been a whole journey, actually, when I did go on to train,

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Jodie Tyack: in, kind of, yeah, there was points where they sort of thought maybe my voice was wrong, or there was, you know, they might have nodules, and I think, yeah, it's been a journey of kind of finding to sit in my, kind of, authentic voice, and express from that place, as opposed to trying to fix it, or correct it, or…

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, and I think back to my mum, I think, and my dad, that, you know, they really have always… I've literally got a poster of him being like, your every day is to follow your dream from my dad. And I think, yeah, so many people, when…

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Jodie Tyack: They have a creative spot, they're just not encouraged to pursue it, or they don't think it's possible.

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Jodie Tyack: And so I think, yeah, I feel really lucky in the fact that I had that.

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Josephine McGrail: Oh my god, I absolutely love this. And I also really, really love that, like you said, that you didn't try and fit in, you didn't try and change your own voice, because, I mean, so we all know, like, the voice… you know, we all express ourselves in various ways, and communication is not just only done through sound and through the voice. However, for most of us, that is kind of like the common tool

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Josephine McGrail: You know, unless we want to do the podcast with us just dancing, you know, and improvising.

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Josephine McGrail: Right, so the fact that, you know, you had a lot of people, or certain people sort of, like, tell you, hey, this is odd.

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Josephine McGrail: And yet, you didn't change it, and you didn't even felt like you should change it, or maybe the thought crossed your mind, but definitely it wasn't… it wasn't pushed or encouraged by your parents that you should do it, because it's, you know, your sound, your unique sound.

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Josephine McGrail: Is… and also talking in terms of, like, science.

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Josephine McGrail: Your sound is your frequency, it's your energetic blueprint, it's your coding, it's why you are on this planet. So, to change that.

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Josephine McGrail: If you change it out of a desire, because you're wanting to explore other parts of you, amazing, but if you're doing it from a space of, huh, fuck, I don't fit in, then that would literally be dimming your own light so much, and caging yourself in. So it's so amazing that you somehow didn't do that, which is just unreal. It already says so much about you, JJ. Okay, anyway, talk us through it. So then what happens? So after those 5 years, that takes you up to, like, the age of 13,

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Josephine McGrail: or something, and you're pantomiming, and you're rolling…

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Jodie Tyack: I just…

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Josephine McGrail: Oh, a young.

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah.

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Josephine McGrail: Love! Yay, go Jodie!

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Jodie Tyack: Honestly, yeah, I really did love it. I think I loved being off school as well, was, like, the main thing, because I didn't…

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Jodie Tyack: to be honest, I didn't love school, and I found…

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Jodie Tyack: I found it quite tricky, but I actually learned to navigate school through

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Jodie Tyack: creation. So, like, science. A teacher very early was like, she just doesn't get it. She just does not get science, and so I'd have to kind of write songs on the piano, and somehow I managed to get a B, but I think it's, again, it's about finding how you navigate something, and I think… I think it's getting better now, but I don't feel like the school system was naturally set up for

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Jodie Tyack: all I… all I wanted to do at age 8 was act. Like, that was literally everything. I… I wanted to be… I just knew I had… expression was, like, a big part of my coding, and I just felt like school made me feel quite…

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Jodie Tyack: boxed in, and just, like, there was a one track, and they only really… I felt like they only really cared about, kind of, the daffodils that grew furthest to the sun, right? The people that were the A-stars, and they're gonna go on to be, I don't know, doctors or lawyers, and I felt like I went to…

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Jodie Tyack: a public school that mainly specialized in languages and science. So, I mean, I did love languages, but, I mean, there was nothing creative there, so I just knew I had to get out. Like, I just felt, this isn't my place.

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Jodie Tyack: So, yeah, and also in my teenage years, I really kind of fell out of love, I think, with it a bit, and I found it quite…

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Jodie Tyack: like, my confidence went in. I think it happens a lot around, kind of, adolescence, where you sort of…

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Jodie Tyack: you become so self-aware and self-conscious, or I did, and I didn't feel enough, you know, all of those things, and you're just trying to navigate everything.

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Jodie Tyack: And then it was when I… a guy in my year was, I think.

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Jodie Tyack: I was around, maybe… how old was I? It was kind of year 10, he was auditioning for National Youth theater, and I was like, oh, what's that? And I auditioned for that, and I got in, and I went to London on the Easter year of doing my Juice SEs, and I was like, oh my god, these are my people. I was like, everybody here.

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Jodie Tyack: it was like, ugh, I just felt like then my world cracked open, and I was like, I felt just so alive.

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Josephine McGrail: Mmm.

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Jodie Tyack: And I ended up doing a show with those guys, and then a show the year later, and I met some friends, and I just rang my mum, and I'd saved a bit of a deposit, because I've always had a million part-time jobs from, like, age 13.

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Jodie Tyack: But, I rang them and just said, I've put my savings on a deposit in London, and I'm gonna move to London, and they were like, what the hell?

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Jodie Tyack: But I just knew in me that it was… if I wanted to pursue it.

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Jodie Tyack: more. I… there was no opportunities where I was, so I just had to take the leap, really. 100%.

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Josephine McGrail: You were… if this was during your GCSEs, would you have been, like, 15, 16, 16?

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, so I did the course with National Youth theater then. You do, like, an initial course.

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Josephine McGrail: Diane!

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Jodie Tyack: And then you go on, and you can audition then for their shows. So, I then went to London on two summers, and I did two of their shows. So we did the Olympic opening ceremony.

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Jodie Tyack: And yeah, I just… I just loved it, and I was already… like, I've always had this kind of knowing when I'm quiet enough to hear it.

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Jodie Tyack: But I always kind of had this knowing that I was gonna go to RADA, and I… it was when I was…

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Jodie Tyack: I was going down there to do, like, workshops. I'd take myself on the train, and just, I remember Gower Street, as I walked down, every time, it was just like the sun was shining, and I was just like…

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Jodie Tyack: There's something here.

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Jodie Tyack: And I auditioned my first year before I moved to London, and I got to the third round, because you have to keep doing, like, auditions. You do the first round, second round, third round, fourth round. And I got to the third round, and I got into some other schools that I auditioned for.

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Jodie Tyack: And got close to others, and I just… something in me was like, I'm not quite ready, and I think I'm supposed to go there. So when I moved to London.

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Jodie Tyack: and this is my biggest story of surrender ever, but I was working, and I auditioned for Rada, and I got to the fourth round this time.

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Jodie Tyack: And… I remember…

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Jodie Tyack: just feeling like, oh, I'm not sure how it went, and I got… they sent me a, like, a waitlist, so you're on the waitlist, and I was like, ugh, I was like, oh, I was, like, just gutted. I was like, because no one's gonna drop out of RADA, like, they take, like, 26, 7 people,

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Jodie Tyack: And then…

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Jodie Tyack: I got a no, and I just… I remember just, like, sinking. And then I was like, maybe I should come back from London, because, like, I was living in this house… I was trying to find a new house, and everything just felt like…

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Jodie Tyack: I was just like, maybe I've got this wrong.

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Jodie Tyack: And then, as I got the no, I thought, no, I'm gonna be a playwright, I'm gonna be a writer, and I was like, there was a deadline for the royal court, their writers, I was like, I'm gonna spend today, and I'm gonna zone in, I'm gonna channel this, and I'm gonna do it my way, and maybe I'm not meant to go the right way. And at that moment, the phone rang.

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Jodie Tyack: And I was like, oh, it'll be Zoopla, because I was trying to find another house.

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Jodie Tyack: And it was the registrar at RADA saying, you know, can you give me a call? And I was like, my whole body went into, like, oh my god. And I said to my mum, like.

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Jodie Tyack: the registrar just rang me, and she was like, well, ring her back, and then she was like, someone's just dropped out, like, do you want to start the place on Monday? Like, we've already started the term. So I literally got home, quit my job in London, and then I went off. But it was when I let go of the…

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Jodie Tyack: the wanting, and I feel like it's always such a big lesson for me, like, wanting something, and being able to want it, do the thing, and then if it comes, it comes, if it doesn't, it doesn't.

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Josephine McGrail: But yeah.

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Josephine McGrail: Cheers.

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Josephine McGrail: I love this so much, JD, and I really love your voice.

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Jodie Tyack: Thank you!

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Josephine McGrail: It has this nice clarity, this nice sense of, like.

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Josephine McGrail: multi-tonal something. It's really soothing. I'm sitting here, my new arm is like.

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Josephine McGrail: I'll just listen to you, your sound is so good. But thank you so much for sharing that incredible story with us, I absolutely love it, and I think, again, it's always really important to me that this is relatable to people, not only people that identify as artists and creative, but, like, to everyone.

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Jodie Tyack: Because, you know…

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Josephine McGrail: we all have dreams, and we all have dreams that lives in the corners, in the shadows of our heart, right? We all have dreams that perhaps no one else hears about, perhaps we don't even allow ourselves to talk about it, or to even really feel into them, and so to listen to your journey, including all your fears and your doubts.

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Josephine McGrail: And then, you know, seeing your… and feeling your excitement in that moment of going, like, okay, you know what, I'm just, you know, maybe I'm not supposed to do it this way, I'm just gonna be a… not just, but I'm gonna be a playwright, I'm gonna place my focus somewhere else, and then getting that phone call, and noticing your whole body being, like, like you said, like, becoming alive.

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Josephine McGrail: Just from that one little moment, and also, you know, reconfirming, because you keep using the word surrender, that thing of, like.

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Josephine McGrail: manifestation, and manifestation, by the way, just means to make clear. Like, manifestation is not just we sit and pray about it, right? You know, we have to take… we tune in to what is my dream, what is actually… what is… what feels good, what would feel really, really, really good, and then we start to take aligned action, so we don't just run around like a buzzing bee. We go like, okay, this thing feels good, what is one step I can take to

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Josephine McGrail: day, which is in alignment with where I want to go. But then, like you said, we have to give up, we have to surrender the goal itself.

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Josephine McGrail: We have to love something so much that we set it free, because the minute we start to cage it in and go like, I need to go to Radha. But then the Radha doesn't happen, because the thing is, if you were walking around and you're like, I'm gonna go to Rada, it's gonna be amazing, and la-la-la-la-la…

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Josephine McGrail: then there would be freedom around it, but what happens for us as human beings is that we want something, right? Whether it's Radha, or love, or money, or health, or whatever it is, children, no children, I don't know, whatever it is, right? We want something.

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Josephine McGrail: And when… at first, when we want something, we get really excited, we're like, yes, we want this thing, this feels so good, la-la-la-la, we do a little happy dance, and we talk about it, but then, the minute we take actions, and that also feels good, but then all of a sudden, the minute our ego feels like it's been too long until we've gotten the result that we wanted, we now start to put pressure on it. So this thing that… this little idea that used to make us feel really good about ourselves.

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Josephine McGrail: all of a sudden, this dream… we put so much pressure on the dream to continue to give us the dopamine that our body is craving. So all of a sudden, the dream can't reach us. And it's no one's fault, other than

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Josephine McGrail: like you said, the miracle, we can call it, happened when you surrendered. When you said, you know, when you talked, because we're always in relationship, right? When you were like, oh, that thing does my dream, that rather thing? You know what?

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Josephine McGrail: That's enough.

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Josephine McGrail: even having it as a dream is beautiful. And if it comes to me, if it meets me halfway amazing.

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Josephine McGrail: But if it doesn't, I won't sit here and cry my tears and cry my heart out and weep by the river of Babylon, right? Like, I'll go ahead, I'll pour myself into something else, because that's how much I love my dream. I love my dream so much that I'm no longer willing to cage it. Yeah.

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Josephine McGrail: talk about this all day, but I just think this is such a beautiful,

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Josephine McGrail: story and really tangible thing that everyone can use and learn from, so thank you.

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Jodie Tyack: Oh, thank you. No, yeah, I think it's… I think…

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Jodie Tyack: I think artists especially, it's that…

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, you do just have so much love and energy

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Jodie Tyack: And actually, I think when I was listening to you speak, it just felt like…

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Jodie Tyack: and nicer way, really. Yeah. But it's just so hard to do. As always, it's a journey.

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Josephine McGrail: Absolutely. So talk us through your journey. So you did get accepted. You let go, and then the dream was like, hey, I'm here! I'm showing up! And you started, and rather, is it a 3-year education? How long is it?

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Jodie Tyack: And yeah, I just… again, it was more just, like, I kind of had this… I was really, when I was a kid, I think, really in tune with…

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Jodie Tyack: I went and trained. It was really intense, but it was… yeah, it was lots of things.

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Jodie Tyack: it was different when I went to drama school, because I felt like I didn't know… I didn't have any connections to the industry. The only way that I knew that I was gonna be able to do this, and I wanted to train, but I didn't have any other route in, so I think…

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Jodie Tyack: But yeah, went and trained, and then I was lucky enough to get my agent, and then I… in my third year, you can kind of start auditioning.

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Jodie Tyack: So I was auditioning, and I, booked a couple of TV jobs, and yeah, and then it just kind of… kind of went from there, really.

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Jodie Tyack: just… and I think always with me, I'm just always a person that wants to just keep growing and learning. I love the painting, of the wave,

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Jodie Tyack: paint again in his 60s, because he'd had, like, a stroke, or… and it was just… I was like, oh, just can we… can I just let myself keep learning and growing? And just… that's it. Every day, just keep learning and growing, and just evolving.

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Jodie Tyack: I absolutely love that.

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Josephine McGrail: I absolutely love that, and I also think… because you're a Sagittarius like myself, right? Wasn't… isn't that a… I remember.

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Josephine McGrail: You know, for listeners out there, whether or not you're into astrology, Sagittarius are ruled by Jupiter. Jupiter is the planet of expansion. Expansion. You're learning. Jupiter wants to grow, grow on all areas. Not too interested in materialistic gains, I mean, not that there's anything wrong with that, I love a good penny, but either way, it's all about expansion.

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Josephine McGrail: And it's so beautiful what you're saying, because I've always felt that same thing, like you said, that thing of… so, you know, you said the artist of the wave had to relearn how to paint at the age of 60, and the fact that you found it not just inspiring, but almost… almost

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Josephine McGrail: something within you, it sounded like you were longing for that stage. Part of it, it sounded like part of you were, like, longing for that excitement of, like, oh, imagine to… to always be in the state of…

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Josephine McGrail: of learning, growing, almost childlike. Like, you know a child that's just put feet on this planet, and they're so excited, it's like…

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Josephine McGrail: here I am! And the universe is so incredibly big, like, that excitement and that… that kind of, like, hunger for expansion and learning, but not from a selfish, not like a, hey, see me, but from a deep feeling of, like, when I am learning, it means I am moving, it means I'm expanding, it means I'm growing, it means… it gives me a deep sense of purpose and

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Josephine McGrail: yeah, being on the right track. Is that resonating? Because that's definitely how I feel.

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, I… and I think just… I think as well, like, I always want to be doing loads of things, like, I dabble in… I mean, it's… like, last year I tried, like, roller skating, like, I just love…

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Jodie Tyack: new things, yeah. And just, I think it's more the focus that it allows, and what you… you said about, you know, that awe, I guess, and that wonder of the world, it's just, I think, always recognizing that that's available to us every day, but it's…

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Jodie Tyack: they're just here. They're just so present with everything. And I do find being in London incredibly hard to be present a lot of the time, because there's… and my thoughts and my brain jumps, and yeah, just allowing that time and that space to come back,

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Jodie Tyack: But yeah, I love it, and in COVID, and I wanted to train as, like, a DJ, so I went and did that, which was so much fun. And just, again, I've always had a thing for music, and I think it's now I'm in a journey of just how do I marry all these creative different paths, and how do I…

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Josephine McGrail: Yeah, no, I completely agree, and I really… I can really relate to that, of, like, finding a sense of having a container, like, creating a container. So the container can be like the land, and then the land dives, delves, you know, craves in a bit so that it becomes a container for water. Water can only flow if it has a container, otherwise it literally leaks, right? Then there's no more water.

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Josephine McGrail: Order, which is our creativity, which is our movement, which is our qi, our prana.

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Josephine McGrail: it needs a container, but not a container, you know, that's so tight that the water, like, disappears, right? Like, a nice and spacious container, and I think that container

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Josephine McGrail: Enables your creativity to feel directional.

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Josephine McGrail: You know, so that you can do all these different things, but still feeling that you are… it's not that someone is containing you, but it's more that someone is supporting you and holding you.

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Josephine McGrail: I can… I can really relate to that, because again, as we mentioned, going into astrology, because I love astrology,

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Josephine McGrail: when you have… I know you have Sagittarius, and I… and are you a stellium, Sagittarius? Is that what we talked about? Yeah. So 3 of your…

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Jodie Tyack: I think so, yeah, but I also have Virgo Rising, which is my life's work.

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Josephine McGrail: But you know what, that's a really interesting convo, so again, for people out there, so Virgo rising. So, Virgo is an Earth sign, and Virgo, we love our Virgos. It's very detail-orientated. Virgo actually looks at the microcosmos. Sagi is the macrocosmos, so it's like, it's a really good balancing act, but I can totally understand how that can feel like a contradiction within yourself at times, when one wants

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Josephine McGrail: And the burger was like, - we're going in and down.

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, literally, and it was actually only a couple of years ago that I kind of really was like, oh, that makes so much sense to how I'm feeling, because my Sagittarius is like, yeah, let's party, yeah, let's just go with the flow, like, and then my Virgo is like, no, we need to get up at 5, we need to do this, because it needs to be perfect, and I'm like.

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Josephine McGrail: I get that, and also, you know, Sagittarius, if you're working just with Element, Sagittarius is fire, so that is transformation, it is energy, and it is movement, it's a very physical sign. And then you've got Virgo, and Virgo is Earth. So, Earth is grounding, it's slower.

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Josephine McGrail: it's… it's a much more kind of steady pace. Like you said, it's discipline, right? Yeah, those two things…

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Josephine McGrail: really good at balancing each other, but if one sort of takes over, it kind of, like, drowns out the other, so I… or, you know, like, empties out the other, so I totally get that. Jodie, Jodie, let's go back on track. I want to hear… so, now, you finish Rada.

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Josephine McGrail: What came next for you? How did you feel leaving that? Because that was a container, that was a structure.

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Josephine McGrail: How did you feel? Yeah. I know you said, you said, oh, you know, you got an agent, and that was amazing, and, you know, you got into some TV work, but that's a very unstructured life, coming from having to be at, you know, not just having, but, you know, getting to be at an institution, a container that you had been wanting and dreaming of being at for such a long time. And again, for listeners out there, you might be like, well, I never went to drama school, what's it in

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Josephine McGrail: me, hey, there's always something here for everyone, because it was a moment of transition. You went from one identity.

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Josephine McGrail: You know, contained, maintained, you had to obtain, obtain, and then all of a sudden you're there, kind of more or less by yourself.

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Josephine McGrail: So how did that, like, how did that go for you?

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, it's… I'm definitely craving… I don't know whether it's just because it's been quite a slow… 2025, the year of shedding, has been, like, a slow… it does feel very earthy.

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Jodie Tyack: And I feel like I really actually had that call where I'm missing discipline. Because at Rada, like, you were… I mean, you didn't have time to think. You were doing…

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Jodie Tyack: you had so much on your plate. I don't think I've ever worked quite so hard. But I loved that. It was, like, constantly in that sense of moving, you're constantly learning, you're constantly growing.

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Jodie Tyack: you find that you're better at certain things, or you're… you're finding what you like a bit more, or that's what I found. And then, yeah, you're sort of thrust out, and… and I do think, for me, what I've found is that I definitely do need a certain structure.

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Jodie Tyack: I guess, yeah, it then becomes a you thing. You're on your own, and you come out, and it's about, how do I…

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Jodie Tyack: learn more about myself in when I need to take more care of myself, or do more, or, but yeah, it was definitely a very different transition, for sure.

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Josephine McGrail: Completely get that. And Jodie, because I have no idea how old you are. See, how old are you now?

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Jodie Tyack: That's a secret, Josie. How old do you think I am? No, I'm 32.

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Josephine McGrail: Mmm, amazing. Yeah, because I'm sitting here, and I'm, like, trying to, like, put the numbers together, but then you look so super young, and I'm like, damn, you could be anything from, like, 21 to 32, I have no idea!

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Jodie Tyack: It was funny, actually, the, the guy at one of our lecturers in… in drama school.

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Jodie Tyack: they sometimes hired the rooms out for auditions, and in my third year, so I was still training there, there was all these little girls lined up to go in to audition for Matilda in town, and they'd got their mums, and I was sat waiting in the same line, but for my lecturer's meeting.

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Jodie Tyack: And I was like, why hasn't he called me in? Like, this is, like, we're over time. Anyway, I was like, oh, are you ready for me? And he was like.

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Jodie Tyack: Oh, Jodie, I thought, I thought, who's that poor girl sat there auditioning without her mother? And I was like, I've been here for 3 years, like, what's going on here?

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Jodie Tyack: So, yeah, I, I'll take that, Josie, thank you, that I look young.

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Josephine McGrail: Absolutely, absolutely, I love it. Oh my god, what a sweet story, that's hilarious. But Judy, so tell us a little bit, so in general, where are you at in your life now, and how do you ensure that you create a container for yourself, that you structure an everyday life? Because obviously, you know.

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Josephine McGrail: acting work, unless you are committed to a TV show, or you are on a… on stage in a specific play, obviously it's on and off, right? So how do you store.

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Josephine McGrail: your daily life, because I think this was, I mean, I've been studying part my entire life, so I can also talk about myself, but I just think for everyone, this is so, so important, because unless you go straight from school to uni into a marriage, and then into a 9-to-5, and then you have kids, so then you are in a container, from a container to a container to another container, right? And then we call it prison, but anyway, unless you are

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Josephine McGrail: dead person, and also, hands up, even if you're a dead person, I'm sorry for calling it prison, if you love a life that is super, super structured, then good for you, and I love you, and you do that. However…

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Josephine McGrail: Even if you've gone from structure to structure to structure, where someone else essentially told you where you had to be, and to a certain extent, who you had to be at certain times.

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Josephine McGrail: going through states of transitions, you know, whether it's because a job gets taken away from you, you know, your health changes, your partner, you know, whatever happens, like, we're always in transition. And so, to hear from someone like yourself that has continued to, you know, is choosing to stay in this very transitional.

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Josephine McGrail: lifestyle, at least that's my lifestyle, personally. You know, I just think it's so, so super useful, because in a way, you are literally a professional reinvention person just by being who you are. Do you know what I mean? Because it's like my own story. If you look at my CV, it's extremely long. There has been so many different Josies, and there's still many more in here. I'm starting to figure out who they all are.

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Josephine McGrail: But I think it's like, you know.

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Josephine McGrail: hearing your story, and hearing how you choose, like, what works for you in order of, like, setting up a container, a sense of structure. What are some of, like, your non-negotiables? And I'll just share some of mine, and hopefully listeners out there.

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Josephine McGrail: whatever transition you're finding yourself in, whether this transition is because you're wanting it, you're like, yes, new job, new me, or new city, or new relationship, or just, I want a new haircut, who am I when I've got black hair, who knows? Or whether that transition that you're finding yourself in right now was not your rational desire, maybe your soul's desire, but maybe something or someone was taken away from you that

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Josephine McGrail: be a really challenging spot to be in, so hopefully what, Jodie, what you have to share with us will be… I'm sure it will be very inspirational for everyone. So, yes, let's hear it! How do you structure, what kind of containers, what's your non-negotiables?

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Jodie Tyack: Well, that's so… such a… I'm such an interesting question, and to be honest, Josie, I feel like I'm still figuring it out. I feel like…

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Jodie Tyack: I would always have, well, usually a part-time job, so I'd try and kind of balance that with other things, so that kind of gave me a sense of financial, like, there's a little bit coming in, and would then enable me to still do things that I want to do.

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Jodie Tyack: And it's still a journey. It's actually daily probably different. I was… I try and start in the morning with, like, a bit of movement, whether it's just, like, on my mat, like, whether it's a small…

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Jodie Tyack: flow, or just something just to kind of ground into the day. I find I'm much better when I do do that, as opposed to when I don't. But as I do have Virgo, and I've had, you know, stuff in the past of discipline, where I've really gone in on discipline.

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Jodie Tyack: I kind of wanted to strip all of that away, and know that if I am adding something to my life that is disciplined, it's got an intention behind it, because I think…

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Jodie Tyack: that also, if I then have a hundred things on my list, or a few things.

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Jodie Tyack: I find if there's any part of me that feels, ugh, I really don't want to do that today.

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Jodie Tyack: it then becomes something that's not feeling quite right for that day. So I… to be honest, I'm… I'm really still navigating it. I always try and…

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Jodie Tyack: booking a class, like, I work with a great teacher in North London, so I'll try and do one of those once a month, just to, like, really keep me fresh, and I'll go to workshops

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Jodie Tyack: And this year, I really want to read a lot more, like, half an hour every day just to read, because I just think…

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Jodie Tyack: it's just so important. So yeah, there is a few things that I'm wanting to incorporate, but if I'm really honest, it's definitely something I'm still journeying through. There's nothing I've got that's, like, concrete.

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Jodie Tyack: yeah, I'm still kind of coming back to a journey of how everything's feeling, and…

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Jodie Tyack: But this year, I want to go more headlong into fear, would be my… And my partner got me…

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Jodie Tyack: feel more alive and thrilled. I used to love things that were, like, thrilling. So I don't know whether that answers your question, it probably doesn't, really.

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Jodie Tyack: But I think, yeah, just as long as there's some point in my day where I consciously choose to come back to myself.

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Jodie Tyack: I kind of see where the day takes me at the moment.

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Josephine McGrail: No, I love this, and I think these were some incredible tools, and thank you so much for sharing.

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Josephine McGrail: If you're not watching this on YouTube, what's really beautiful about Jodi, apart from, you know, your gorgeous looks, etc, and your energy, what's really awesome about you is that something you do a lot when you start talking, Jodi, is that you actually close your eyes, which I'm sure you notice, but listeners out there, you won't be noticing. But what is so nice about… so what happens is, when we close our eyes and we take that sense of sight away.

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Josephine McGrail: all the other senses speak louder, right? So, that means, just by closing your eyes, you immediately kind of, like.

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Josephine McGrail: drop straight out of your head, and you drop into your heart, and you drop into your feeling sensory space, which is so beautiful. And so that's even just that, like, which you may be aware of, Jodi, maybe you're not, but, like, as, like, listeners out there, try it every now and then. Just close your eyes, and even whilst you're talking to someone, just close those eyes, forget about everything, and just notice what you're feeling. What are you feeling, and let that come through.

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Josephine McGrail: Because it's really what you're talking about as well, Jerry, as a non-negotiable, it's like…

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Josephine McGrail: you said, often you start your day with some kind of movement, whatever movement it is, with some kind of movement, because again, the movement helps you to anchor into your body, it gets you out of your head and into your body, so you are connecting, you are reminding yourself, I'm not just a floating head with 500 volts a second, I'm actually a physical being, and I'm here on this planet at this moment in time to have a physical experience.

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Josephine McGrail: I think, you know, it's the same for me. I always do a practice in the morning, you know, whether that's going for a walk, whether that's pilates yoga, whatever it is, again, sometimes that stands around to good music, like, I have to move my body, I'm exactly the same as you. But for listeners out there, maybe it's just, you know, even give yourself a hug, have a little stretch, but have a move around, do something physical, because we are here with a physical

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Josephine McGrail: body for a reason, and it's really good to get into it first thing in the morning. It kind of really grounds us and grounds the energy into the body, so I love that. And then that second thing of, every now and then, just close your eyes and just notice how you're feeling. You can even do it when you're talking to someone else, even on a Zoom call, I dare you guys. So, like, that thing of…

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Josephine McGrail: feeling into, what am I truly feeling? And I also loved it about you, Jodi, because you said, well, I kind of have more or less this thing, this is kind of the schedule, but then I allow myself to

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Josephine McGrail: also kind of say, fuck the schedule. Like, if I'm really, you know, okay, it's on my to-do list that I'm supposed to do my morning movement, but on this particular morning, no part of my body wants to move. I actually just want stillness, and I want to start my day out by reading my book, and it's almost like I want… I want to run away from my own schedule.

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Josephine McGrail: I want to be naughty, I want to be the rebel, I want to run away from my own schedule, like, I… you know what? I once ran away from a holiday, which is hilarious, a holiday that I had scheduled in, Jodie, but that's just because that's how much of freedom I crave at times. I crave so much freedom that I even wanted to run away from my own holiday, which is kind of hilarious, so… but I think this is a really beautiful thing to, like, share with people, like…

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Josephine McGrail: Be so kind with yourself. He's so kind and so understanding, and so also so supporting, so supportive of your own inner being.

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Josephine McGrail: That if all of a sudden, one day, you're like, okay, yeah, I've created all these amazing structures because I'm rising Virgo, but actually today, fuck that, I'm Saggy.

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Jodie Tyack: just knowing the states that I've been in where I have had increased discipline.

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Jodie Tyack: willing to trade, and I know there are some things where you're like, okay, I really don't want to do this, but I've got to get on and do it, and I'll feel better for the end, which is slightly different, and it's give and take, but I think it's knowing when… and again, because the schedule does vary, if something comes in, you know, you can get an audition on Friday, we need it Monday morning.

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Jodie Tyack: I then need to cancel my Saturday and Sunday, but if I really wanted to feel like I needed to dance or go out.

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Jodie Tyack: my then… my tunnel vision comes into this moment of doing this for Monday, that then… it's like, okay, well, how can I still allow a bit of that in over the weekend? How can I… so it's a… I feel like…

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Jodie Tyack: a creative, and I don't know whether you feel the same as someone who's, you know, you do so many things, it's a constant negotiation, really, of going, okay, what am I needing? And I think when I've been coming more from that place, I've just found there's been more…

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Jodie Tyack: ease, as opposed to me being like, I was gonna do that, you know, and then it can start this whole judgment thing, and then we're off. But, yeah, like, can I just be here now? Like, is this enough? And just keep coming back to that, really.

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Josephine McGrail: I really love that, and that, you know, those words, can I just be here now? Can this moment be dense enough, rich enough.

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Josephine McGrail: You know, can I juice out everything that I'm feeling in this specific moment? And again, that's that thing of come back into your body. You know, and again, you know, as an actress, you know, to act is to do, but it's to express, right? And it's not just to express someone else's emotions, it's to have a vehicle, a vessel, a container that you can pour yourself into.

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Josephine McGrail: whatever you're feeling can be like wood to the fire, right? Whatever you're feeling can be healing, not just for yourself, but for someone else. And so, I really… because this has been my entire journey, my whole life, like, I feel and I sense I'm highly sensitive. And so…

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Josephine McGrail: You're like, yes, me too, high five! 10 fives! 500 fives, right? I'm highly sensitive, and so I personally, I was a dancer since I was very little, and I got into the rural Danish Ballet when I was 9 years old. The reason I'm telling you this is that

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Josephine McGrail: For most people, being at the Royal Danish Ballet, or being at any elite athlete school, or whatever it is, as a child, would be crazy intense, and for most kids, be like, that's not fun, like, it's fun for half a second, and then all of a sudden, it's 16-hour days, and no sleep, and there's pain in the body, and all of that.

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Josephine McGrail: I had a container where that incredible, huge, big imagination of mine had a place. It had a container that could hold me. And so I think, like, just using these… my life and your life as metaphors for people, like.

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Josephine McGrail: you know, there… you know, you're saying this year you're wanting to have more of a thrill, which I love, and the feeling, you know, like, you know, but also, be courageous, and not just to you and me, but to listeners out there, let's…

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Josephine McGrail: Be courageous and dare to feel everything that you feel inside of yourself, right? And then instead of trying to make it smaller.

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Josephine McGrail: Find containers, create containers, attract containers that can hold all of you, right?

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Josephine McGrail: Well, that goes for… we're always in relationship. That goes for the people you surround yourself with. It goes for the activities that you do. It goes for the places like Ark, where you decide, that's where me and Jodi met, right? That's where we met.

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Josephine McGrail: find places, find cities, find people, find activities, you know, the same thing, you're like, this year, I just want to read for half an hour, and I really get that. I, last year, I had my reading year, like, I still read now, but last year, I became extremely conscious. I went down, I was like, I need to get a library card, like, I'm back, because I remembered that as a child.

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Josephine McGrail: Similar to you when you talk about Rada, that was me at the Royal Linux Ballet. As a child, I would be there for 16 hours, we'd be doing a million dance classes a day, we'd be taken in and out of academic school, we would run down to the stage, do a dance show, and then, in between all of that, I also would be, like, best friends with the librarian in my local library, and I would always carry around… I was like Harry Potter, but the girl… the girl one, right? I would carry it! I would carry around my 500 books that I was reading.

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Josephine McGrail: And it was finally a universe that was parallel to the own universe that I have inside. And so again, the book was a container that could contain me, and not cage me, but hold me and support me, for me to be an even bigger me, not a smaller me. And I think that resonates with you too, right?

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Jodie Tyack: I love that so much. I've been having that so much with books, because I find it quite… and definitely… well, listen…

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Jodie Tyack: it's just amazing. Like, and it's amazing that we can have access to that. Like, it's… and going back to what you said as well about feeling, it's like, I cry so much in coffee shops, usually, and, like, people around are kind of looking at me, and I'm like, I've learned to not…

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Jodie Tyack: found it really moving, and then she's like, oh my god, I'm so sorry, have I ruined your day? And I was like, no, but, like, why… why is it wrong to feel? I think it's like, please, we all… we're here to feel. Like, this is, you know, the… the uncomfortable and the… the nice thing, you know, it's…

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Jodie Tyack: then you just bounce back to self. But it's the… it's the constant, oh god, I don't wanna… oh, it's that that creates this tension and this bracing, and…

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, so I just really related to what you said on that as well, of just really feeling a lot. And children, they go through, you know, they're all weathers in a day. Like, they're… and then they lie on the floor, and then they're laughing, and…

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Josephine McGrail: I loved it so much, so I, I wrote an article for Yoga Magazine, and they actually quoted me on this thing, and I read it the other day, not realizing it was me, which was hilarious. I was like, this is such a good quote, I was like, oh my god, it's me! But anyway, I said, basically, that sounded super big-headed, I said, we're not here to think life.

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Josephine McGrail: We dream of it, not just from a conjective, rational, you know, this is what it's going to look like. We dream, and we chase these dreams, these scenes, because of the feeling we believe we will finally have once XYZ has become manifest.

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Josephine McGrail: We are chasing a feeling. We're always chasing a feeling. Why do we fall in love? We don't think ourselves into love. We fall in love, right? It's a movement, it's an action.

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Josephine McGrail: It's, physicality, it's a feeling. And I loved it so much, you're so right, because, oh my god, it's so funny, because I do the same, like, I really… I work so much on just openly sharing how I feel, like, even if I'm in a place where it's highly inappropriate, right?

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Josephine McGrail: And just like you, it can make me really angry at times, and it can feel really isolated at times, because just like you, like you just said.

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Josephine McGrail: you know, children unapologetically share exactly how they're feeling, but then their parents, well-meaning parents, will very quickly, like, shut them down, right? And be like, oh no, we don't do this here, we don't do this here. And so, since we were children, we were taught to not feel. We were taught to not express, right? And like you said.

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Josephine McGrail: Emotion. Emotion means energy in motion. Key fact, it has to move. If you are not allowing yourself to feel it or to express it, it gets stuck. And when it gets stuck, just like you said, it's like having a kettle that's constantly on the boiling setting, right? And it's there, and what's gonna happen? It's gonna explode at some point, right? It has nowhere to go.

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Josephine McGrail: you know, like, listening to you, and, you know, you saying that you're like, I cry all the time, and I cry in coffee shops, and you know, you were listening to this stranger's story, and you started crying, and she's like, oh no, what's wrong? And have I ruined your day? And you're like, no, I just… I felt something. This is not a bad thing. When people cry, yes, we cry because we are moved.

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Josephine McGrail: do what Jodi is doing, like, close your eyes and just breathe into your body. When you're breathing deeply, you're feeling deeply. When you're feeling deeply without judgment, you are healing naturally. Not healing in the sense of, I mustn't feel this, but the feeling will start to move, and you will be inspired to take an action that actually feels right, and…

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Josephine McGrail: It's so beautiful to see you, and to be here with you, and to hear that you're also a great advocate, not just for yourself, but knowing that when you allow yourself to share freely, to share your feelings openly, out in the open space, not just on stage, not just in front of a camera, but actually just in a fucking coffee shop, you give permission

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Josephine McGrail: And you inspire everyone else to do the same, because why do we live in a, you know, the container society, right? Why do we live in a container, in a society that says, oh yeah, you're allowed to be happy, and you're allowed to smile, and yay, and love, and have this high voice, but you're not allowed to have a deep voice, and you're not allowed to cry inappropriately, and you're definitely not allowed to be angry, especially not out in the open.

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, like, needing to control… like, what if we can just be expressionless and, limitless?

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Jodie Tyack: And can it all be okay? Like, there's no good and bad. Like, and I don't need… if I'm… if I'm feeling something that makes me sad, or moved, or… I don't need to know why. Can I let go of the needing to… and can I just be with that? Which, yeah, I'm finding it really hard, but…

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Josephine McGrail: the why. Because the brain… the brain always wants evidence. The brain, the ego is always like, well, it couldn't possibly be me, it must be something outside of me! Who can I blame? Right?

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Josephine McGrail: And, but, you know, we see in the world what we're feeling. We see what we feel.

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Josephine McGrail: that's as beautiful, you know, your tears are as beautiful, as valid, and also as important, not just for your own soul's evolution, but for the evolution of everyone else. It's this, you know, I really love this, like, this oneness, this, like, inclusivity, not exclusivity. It's about including, allowing, loving all of it.

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Josephine McGrail: not separating, not, well, if I'm like this, then, you know, then I'm lovable. If you are like this, then you are a good person, you know, like, no, it's… it's oneness. Like, yin cannot be without the yang, like, all of it. So it's… it's so powerful what you are touching upon, Jodi. I love it! Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I could talk to you all day. I do want to ask you, because, I don't know if I told you before the podcast, but

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Josephine McGrail: I was in London, it was really cold, nothing was going on, I was feeling a lot, and I was like, ugh, there's nothing happening, hmm, what should I do with all this energy that I have? And I was like, oh, I'll write another book, and I was like, hmm, yeah, that could be good, but hmm… And then I kept going back to the same thing, which is.

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Josephine McGrail: I feel the most alive and… and in my purpose. Like, we can never go out of purpose, but, like, the most, sort of, supported, I guess, the feeling is, when I feel like…

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Josephine McGrail: We got outside sounding religious or cult-like. And so I was sitting there, and I was like, okay, Josie, you've already written 3 books, like, writing another book right now might not be what the world actually needs, or what I need, and I was like, okay, well, how else can I help?

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Josephine McGrail: And we need to hear it from a specific person, a frequency, a sound. And so I can sit here, you know, I could have chosen to not invite you, and just be like, today is just gonna be all about Josie, right? And I could have shared exactly the same messages, I could even have said the same sentences that you said.

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Josephine McGrail: X amount of people would have picked it up and gone, huh, this is a good message. I'm gonna implement that. I'm gonna feel inspired.

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Josephine McGrail: You're a different frequency to me, Jodie. You have a different sound, you have a different key note, you have a different key,

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Josephine McGrail: message vibration for humanity, and that's why I created the podcast. I created it so that I would speak to all these incredible people, human beings like yourself from all around the world, and I wanted that space to be yours, where you could share your sound.

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Josephine McGrail: So that in the hope that whoever listens out there today, or tomorrow, or in 10 or 20 years to come, they would find a sound, a soul, a human being like yourself, that felt like home.

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Josephine McGrail: And so, we're coming to that point in the podcast where I will now ask you, if you had, in the life that you've lived so far, Jodie, in all your gorgeous, glorious 32 years of Jodie Tayak life, the story of Jodi Tyak, if you had just one or two

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Jodie Tyack: Which, yeah, I think is a… is a hard thing to do, but I would say live with an open heart.

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Jodie Tyack: our love for the planet, and yeah, I don't… I don't really know. I would say live with an open heart would be my… my,

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Josephine McGrail: It's an absolutely amazing message. I love that message. That is such a beautiful, crazy, powerful message. And also because, on a physical level, I love to make everything very simple, very physical.

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Josephine McGrail: The minute we get stressed, anxious, fearful, all of that, the heart actually contracts, the body contracts, we shrink, we try and protect, right? So, your words, we live with an open heart. It invites us.

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Josephine McGrail: To breathe deeper, and to actually do the opposite of what society often tells us to do. When you're scared, overwhelmed, stressed, anxious, angry, don't tighten, don't self-protect, don't make your heart smaller, make your heart bigger.

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Josephine McGrail: Can you love yourself even in the contrast of feeling 500 different emotions at the same time? Can you love others even through the contrasting experience of their behavior at times? Can we love life?

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Josephine McGrail: Even when life shows us all the light and all the shadows. So can we make… can we keep that heart open in a state of expansion, loving more, not less? I think that's absolutely amazing, that's such a beautiful

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Josephine McGrail: Perhaps the most important advice anyone has ever given, so thank you so much, Jordy, I love it.

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Jodie Tyack: Thank you so much for having me, Josie.

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Josephine McGrail: It's been so good. Oh, Jodie, where can people find you? Where can they follow you? How can they see you in action? Are you on stage? Are you… what's happening in your life right now, Jodi?

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Jodie Tyack: I haven't got anything at the moment. I'm in the next series of Patients, which has just aired. I'm on Instagram, but I'm… I have a love-hate relationship with it, so I'm on it, and then I'm off it.

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Jodie Tyack: Yeah, that's where you can find me. Show your answer, so you said it's airing at the moment. What channel is it on? What… Oh, it's on, Channel 4, and it's, kind of a crime drama. I'm also in…

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Jodie Tyack: BBC's Wreck, and Knots and Crosses, and also Agatha Raisin, which is on Sky.

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Josephine McGrail: Absolutely love it. Thank you so much, gorgeous. Stay on the line for a moment, and to listeners out there, it's been such a joy, such a delight. I can't believe that we started off the podcast 2026 with the gorgeous Jodi Tayak, who I met in a sauna. So, keep your heart open, stay open to life, you might just be surprised, so go out there and do whatever lights up your heart. Thank you so much, everyone!