Health Longevity Secrets

Unholy Health Trinity | Cardiovascular Health Secrets

• Robert Lufkin MD • Episode 192

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Citizen scientist and entrepreneur Daniel Trevor joins us for an eye-opening discussion on his profound journey through cardiovascular health. Following a life-altering heart attack, he utilized his tech data analysis skills to question conventional medical practices and explore the depths of medical and nutritional science. Daniel's story underscores the importance of independent inquiry and challenges long-held beliefs, offering listeners a fresh perspective on cardiovascular care informed by rigorous scientific research.

We dive into the complexities of heart attack risk factors, scrutinizing the limitations of traditional cardiovascular assessments like stress tests. With insights from experts such as Dr. Ford Brewer, we explore the often-overlooked dangers of soft plaques compared to calcified plaques, and highlight the crucial role of lifestyle and diet in mitigating these risks. This dialogue advocates for more informed conversations between patients and doctors and calls for a shift in how cardiovascular health is approached and taught.

Our exploration doesn't stop there—we address the controversial history of seed oils and dissect outdated dietary guidelines. Inspired by experts like Dr. Jason Fung and authors such as Nina Teicholz, we argue for a return to whole foods and a high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet, critiquing the unhealthy effects of the "unholy Trinity"—refined grains, sugars, and seed oils. This episode empowers listeners to reexamine their eating habits and consider the profound impact of diet on long-term heart health.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome back to the event. Our guest today will be speaking on how we can actually implement these changes to improve our longevity. We're going to learn the details's a citizen scientist and serial entrepreneur who's created several startup businesses from scratch, including a high-tech computer company that eventually grew to over 300 employees. Being familiar with analyzing tech data throughout his life, he was comfortable in taking a dive into the medical and nutritional science in order to reverse his cardiovascular disease after a surprising heart attack. So let's jump on in and find out how. Hey Daniel, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2:

Hey, fantastic to be with you, dr rob. I am really honored and feel very privileged that you're having me on this. It's like whoa, you've got the formal university credentials that I don't have. And it's like, wow, this is this guy's interviewing me. Well, let me just tell you a little bit about that, if I could. Well, yeah, this like wow, this is this guy's interviewing me. Well, let me just tell you a little bit about that, if I could.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, this is going to be, this is going to be so much fun. Let me just just say I I discovered you through your book, which I love, and reading your book. It's fascinating. You know, some people like you know, like Peter Atiyah, he says a lot of stuff that I really agree with and makes a lot of sense. I mean I love the guy, but then a lot of stuff I disagree with. You know it's sort of we part company, you know, on some some things you know. But I have to say your book it almost it, everything in that book almost that I agree with you. You and I can be confirmation bias partners.

Speaker 2:

We can just oh, wow, I'm so happy to hear that it's just well. Look, I had my story is that I, as you know by now, by having the book, is I. A few years ago, I almost died of a heart attack. A few years ago, I almost died of a heart attack and it was the biggest wake up call of my life. And, and having studied technical data throughout my life, I decided to take a dive into the medical and nutrition science to find out how could this happen to me? I was a slim, symptom free, mr, healthier, so I thought I watched what I ate, which was totally wrong, and that's what. That's what really brought it all on. And so I had, I took the dive into the science to find out how this could happen to me.

Speaker 2:

And, um see, I uh I may come off a little rough around the edges, because that's I'm. I'm basically just a lower class street kid from Philly, right, but I was fortunate to learn how to study well early on, and if I was really interested in something, I could conquer it, I could dive into it and find out, and that's what I did, because I was never more highly motivated to find out something than when that happened. It was like what. I want to see my daughters walk down the aisle and I want to be a grandfather and I've got all these. I got too much to do. What are you telling me? Heart attack, is this so? Anyway, it was a, uh, it was quite a shocker and um, like that. So, but again, I thought.

Speaker 2:

But, and so I even tell the reader earlier on in the book, right after the introduction I don't know if you remember I have have a page called Important Note and I'm telling him about all the scientific references that I have the citations Because I knew I had to have that backup, because I knew that some readers would probably think well, without formal medical training and degrees in organic chemistry and whatnot, why the hell should I trust you? And I tell the reader look, don't Just think of me as a friendly relay point of what the best of 21st century modern science has to offer for your health and wellness and longevity. Trust that and fix yourself.

Speaker 2:

I did, you can too, because all of this science is none of it's my opinion. This is what helped heal me and I've seen it help others. And I've only followed the best studies RCTs, you know, randomized control trials, meta-analyses the gold standard in all of the scientific research. And I made sure I didn't pay attention to anything that had funding for big food, big pharma or big medicine. So I was off to the races with all that, like you were, I'm sure.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love that about your work and about your book in particular that you take the time to document everything with references so people who want to read it can go in and do it with references so people who want to read it can go in and do it. I also like the fact as a citizen scientist you're approaching this that you know it's great what you know the researchers and academics can deliver, but I really appreciate the fresh look that we often get from citizen scientists who come to this and just basically drill into the literature and make new and original observations about stuff that maybe the people at the medical schools like me never even thought of. It's really interesting.

Speaker 2:

Well, thank you. Yeah, it's kind of frustrating when you get some real, true, validated information and then you try to explain it to your doctor and you're asking him well, why do I have to do a stress test when you know so many people? Um, you know, they have a stress test and they pass it with flying colors and then they die of a heart attack. I mean, there's so many. I here's a, if you don't mind me going into this a little bit.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, let's dive into that. Yeah, it's really interesting because I'm thinking I don't know if you remember there was a newscast guy. What was his name? Tim Russert he was. He was very popular. He had this Sunday morning show called Meet the Press and he had just passed his stress test with flying colors. He died of a heart attack. And then there was actor and comedian Gary Shandling. I love that guy. He was so funny and so talented.

Speaker 2:

He passed his stress test, he died of a heart attack and he was only 66. And Davy Jones, he was in that old group, the monkeys. I don't know if you remember he passed his. He passed his with a. Is your? Is my mic on? You're good, yeah, okay, yeah. And, and he passed his stress test with flying colors and he died of a heart attack.

Speaker 2:

Alex Trebek, our great game show guy. He passed his stress test and died of a heart attack. He was taken a couple of years later by pancreatic cancer, sadly, but there's so many people that do that. I mean, if you have celebrities with the best medical care that they can purchase, uh, that happens to them. What do you think it's happening to the regular people and the reason for that and I have this in the book too. I don't know if you remember. In order for you, for the doctors to uh detect if there's any kind of potential problem with a stress test, you have to reflect at least 50% blockage, right, at least 50% blockage of the arteries. However, over 70% of all the heart attacks that occur occur with less than 50%, you know, 25%, 45%, 30%, and so all those people are missed.

Speaker 2:

And that was me. I passed my stress test and I had the heart attack. So it's so, um, why doctors and cardiologists continue to uh, uh order. That is just amazing to me and that's why I say in the book I said, look, and I give them all this information about this, that and the other, the other. And uh, if your doctor is recommending this, show him these studies. So that way, number one, he'll know that you know, and number two, you can ask him tell me again why we're doing this. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense when the studies show this is it's going to miss most of the population so anyway, that's a little screed there on my part.

Speaker 1:

No interesting point. This 50% stenosis or narrowing it's literally. You can measure that of the blood vessel. It's like a pipe that is only 50% open, right, that's how they quantify the blood vessels that supply the heart, or the coronary arteries, which get obstructed and thus cause a heart attack. So what did you learn about that Like? What's the problem with? Well, you said you said to reiterate then that most, most heart attacks are with less than 50% stenosis. So the problem is that the tests that we do with an angiogram or a coronary CT angiogram is to measure the amount of stenosis, but what you're saying is the stenosis doesn't work and then the stress test also is relatively unreliable. So what does that mean?

Speaker 2:

Well, here's the deal. You do the stress test. Let's say you pass it falsely. But even the doctor might say, well, I'd like to take a closer look. That means he wants to take you to the cath lab, right For a PCI, percutaneous coronary intervention. As you know, I've gotten to learn all these. Unfortunately I'm forced to learn all of these medical terminology but anyway. And then when he gets in there, it's kind of like a hammer and a nail. If he gets in there you have to sign a form before he goes in that gives him permission that hey, if I want to put in a stent, I putting it. You know, there's no discussion, there's like a that kind of thing. But the whole thing we should back up and go.

Speaker 2:

Um, I think you know one of your colleagues, dr ford brewer, out of johns hopkins. He's taught and trained thousands of doctors over the years. I had asked him to write chapter 22 of my book, which turns out to be one of the most important blood labs and scans that anyone can buy. But your doctor might say, oh, you don't need that, you don't need that. And the only reason why he say you don't want it is because he probably can't interpret it anyway, right, he doesn't know about it. He doesn't want to have to open up the books, or do some? You know, dr Google, he doesn't want to have to open up the books, or do some? You know, dr Google, anyway. So I had him write that, and he even has a book called Prevention Myths subtitle why Stress Tests Can't Predict your Heart Attack and what Tests Actually Do. And so the preferable way and I have all this in chapter in my cardiovascular where I dive deep into it is chapter 17, 18, and 19. And in chapter 19, I go into the difference between soft plaque and calcified plaque. And there is such a huge misunderstanding even amongst cardiologists today, because the studies that I have in there are from like 2022. And 2022 is like 10 minutes ago in the medical field. Right, because it takes so long for the information to not only get to the doctors, but, uh, you know how long it takes to get into the medical curriculum of this, uh, medical school. So, anyway, the two there's the soft dangerous plaque and then there's the calcified plaque. The soft inflamed plaque is dangerous because that's the plaque that can cause heart attacks and strokes. The calcified plaque is not. The body lays down calcium to heal the soft plaque. What happens is this calcium to heal the soft plaque. What happens is this After you've eaten too many carbs, sugar and oils the unholy trinity, which is the cover of my book, unholy Trinity subtitle how Carbs, sugar and Oils Make Us Fat, sick and Addicted and how to Escape their Grip.

Speaker 2:

After you eat too much of that, over the, over the, over the years and decades of your life, you build up what's called these small dense ldl particles, which most doctors don't pay attention to. They just get look at total ldl, as you know, instead of the small dense ldl. What happened? What's the difference there? Because those are the ones that can invade the artery wall through a process called transcytosis. They get stuck and, like Velcro to in this intima media space, as it's called, and then it builds up over time and what happens is we start taking friendly fire from our immune system with monocytes and foam cells, macrophage, and all this builds up this plaque. So what happens is, when you have a heart attack, that soft, liquidy, inflamed plaque ruptures through the endothelial, which is the lining of the artery, enters the lumen where the touches blood, creates a clot, breaks off and it goes downstream, so to speak, if it goes to your heart, you have a heart attack. If it goes to your brain, you have a stroke which tells you right there, it can happen in various places in your body, it's not just your heart. So that's a heart attack or stroke right there. And so that's the danger of the soft pack.

Speaker 2:

And there was a big study I have on that in chapter 19. It was the Honda study and where they showed and I even have a graph in there where they showed all the events, meaning heart attack, stroke, death occurred with a soft plaque, they called echolucent plaque and all of the and no heart attacks occurred with the echogenic plaque or the calcified plaque. And you know these are newer studies, 21, 22, that kind of thing. And then there's another one out of Cleveland Clinic and also from Jack Journal of the American College of Cardiology, which is the top school on the planet for cardiology, as you know. And Cleveland Clinic is ranked number one globally for cardiovascular care. So these are not from some rinky-dinky.

Speaker 2:

You know community college these studies and they found that the reason why you want to get a calcium score, a coronary artery calcium scan, cac scan, you get the score and what they say is that there's four times as whatever score you get, there's four times as much soft plaque as there is calcified plaque, four times as much. And the big misunderstanding is that most people think, oh, the higher the calcium uh, you know, the worse it's going to be, and, and that can be. When you first do it for the first time, what happens is these researchers and doctors. They called it the CAC paradox or the plaque density paradox, because what can happen? You can get a score, whether it's good or bad or whatever. Let's say I'm a good example of it. Whether it's good or bad or whatever, let's say I'm a good example of it.

Speaker 2:

I had an abysmal score of 600. So right away, it's supposed to be below 400, right? Well, zero to 400, you want it as close to zero as you can get it. So I was 600. But then, about a year and a half later, I thought, well, let me try to get it, do that again. And I'm going to take a victory lap, because during that year and a half I was, you know, intermittent, fasting, low carb, keto, get back to the gym more, and doing all these things Right, and what happens is the score can go up because all of the great things that you're doing for your body.

Speaker 2:

These people you know, when they lose 30 pounds and they start to stabilize their soft, inflamed, dangerous plaque and they stabilize it with calcium. So my score went from abysmal 600 to about 2,500. But that's because I had done all these wonderful things and that's why Dr Ford Brewer and his team, they don't even suggest getting a second calcium score, especially after the people have changed their diet, gotten to the gym and everything. So, and then and again, these researchers at Cleveland Clinic, they gave an example. They said you can know, you can think of the calcium score as a what do you call it? What took down the Titanic? It was, oh yeah a big iceberg.

Speaker 2:

That's the tip of the iceberg. Underneath is what took down the Titanic and that's the soft dangerous plaque and there's four times as much of that as there is the calcified. So you want more calc and they found that the more there's better clinical outcomes when you have more calcified plaque. On the subsequent one now we're not talking about if you just go in there for the first time you get a score of 1200 or something, that's. That's, you got some serious business to deal with. So you have the cac scan. You definitely want to get that, but there's a difference and I urge all cardiologists to read my chapter 19 because a lot of them don't know about this. This latest study is out of Cleveland Clinic and the Journal of the Academy of American College of Cardiology. So anyway, that's a long winded explanation there, but let me know if you have any questions about that?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no. But let me know if you have any questions about that, yeah, no. So from this study, the first calcium score is valuable because it's sort of a canary in the coal mine. If you're zero, that's one thing, but if it's high, then you need to start paying attention to things, absolutely. But the calcium score only shows the calcified plaques, which are essentially the repaired, healed plaques, and there's four times as much soft plaques which don't show up on the calcium score.

Speaker 2:

Exactly. That's why you need to do some other tests and how I verified that was a lot better was because of all these other tests.

Speaker 1:

What other tests would you recommend then?

Speaker 2:

There is a test called the CIMT, which is not so easy to get. It's called the carotid intima media thickness test. That's one of them. And then there's also the CTA, the CTTA, and then there's the. Let me a little more on the carotid intima media thickness test.

Speaker 2:

A 10-year study of over 13,000 patients showed a predictability rate for heart attacks and stroke hold your hat 98.6 percent predictability rate for cimt. For anything else, and that's you know, that's unheard of in the medical and screening field. There's nothing. I mean even a pregnancy home pregnancy has 94% and that's like a big wow too, right, so this has. So it's.

Speaker 2:

The problem is there's one company called CardioRisk. I think they're in Portland or Seattle, I can't remember. They have affiliates all over the country, so you have to call and schedule. It's not like you can call your doctor and say, hey, I want to see IMT, so you have to schedule it. But it shows you exactly.

Speaker 2:

They can actually see the amount of soft plaque and then over time you can do it again and then you can say I've really reduced that, or it's not. It's no longer echolucent, it's echogenic, meaning that it's calcified and it's stable. It goes from being unstable soft plaque which can cause heart attacks and strokes to being calcified and stable and this is a big shock to a lot of people. That's why they call it the CAC paradox or the plaque density paradox. And it's not a paradox to the doctors and researchers. They say this is going to be a paradox for the patients. They're going to go, you know. That's why Dr Ford he was telling me that sometimes they have to. Let's say, a person gets a calcium score and then they really go at it for a year or so and they want to do it again. And if they do it they see their calcium score has gone way up. They have to, you know, talk them off the ledge because they're thinking oh my God, I'm going to die, and it's not it at all.

Speaker 2:

That's why a battery of tests, as you know, will show the full picture. Hey, your HDL is way up. Your triglycerides are down to 40. You've got all these metabolic markers that are insanely in good condition. So don't pay attention to that, because this is what the latest science says.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, that's a great point and I want to get into those before we leave this. Coronary calcium score yeah, this paradox explains coronary calcium score. Yeah, that this, this paradox explains, or at least it it adds, adds to our understanding of of some of the things like, well, statins and statins, a whole nother conversation. Oh, my god, so that's my chapter 18.

Speaker 1:

I know when people go on statins, their calcium score goes up. Also, when people exercise uh, do like there's these studies that are coming out now with ultra-athletes their calcium scores go up like marathon runners, and one would think it might just be a wellness effect, except for the fact that their ejection fraction also goes down and they have cardiac damage in some of the studies. So so there's multiple things going on, but the the calcium paradox is. It's really interesting because the calcium scan only shows the calcification, but the CIMT, which is an ultrasound exam. So it's it's not an x-ray, it's an ultrasound. They put on your neck and with that you can. Even though it's your neck, it reflects the blood vessels throughout your body and so, as you mentioned, you know, it's all the same endothelium in the blood vessels and if it's either healthy or unhealthy, but this ultrasound exam of the neck can show both soft plaque and calcification. And you found that to be very valuable, then, right, yes, oh, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then there's the other blood tests you can get too to see. If you're see, when I first had after my heart attack, I found out about all these different tests. I went to Google University and YouTube University and I found these people like you and other geniuses on the cutting edge of modern medical science and metabolic health. And I found out about these blood tests you can get to tell if you have this soft inflamed plaque. And those are I call these smoke detectors because they're inflammation markers MPO, which is myeloperoxidase, lp plaque 2, and MACR, microalbumin creatinine ratio. I mean, there are others too, the oxidized LDL and so forth. But if you have out of range numbers there, then you know that you have active plaque, soft plaque being created or you know ready to do do some damage. So you want to get those numbers way down. So that's another way to detect, through a blood test instead of a scan myeloperoxidase, lp plaque 2, oxidized ldl, f2 isoprostates. You know I have all this chapter 19. And then dr ford has um. You know, in his chapter 22 he has all like what are the most important tests you have to get? And the one that most doctors leave out is the ogtt with insulin, oral glucose tolerance tests with insulin and the reason, the why that is so important? Because, as you know, having some degree of diabetic physiology is the root cause source of all the silent killers.

Speaker 2:

That was me, my. I found out that I was a raging type 2 diabetic, despite I was on the lean side, I was, you know, it was just it was for all the um. I was totally sold on the propaganda and the bs of heart, healthy whole grains, right, so I was a high carb diet because of that and that's what um destroyed uh, my arteries. Uh, because I think, if you remember, I had this in uh chapter one or I have an image of what's called the glycocalyx. And what is that? Glycocalyx is this fuzz-like lining of the artery walls which is the first line of protection against small dense LDL particles that are going to invade the artery and build up plaque over time, and the major source of that is the carbs and the sugars and the oils. So the unholy Trinity is like a big cause of the cardiac condition that we have today.

Speaker 1:

Wow and well, yeah, let's talk about that. You've changed your lifestyle around and you identify this unholy Trinity Maybe go into detail of what did you give up, what are you doing now? How did you make those changes and what did you experience? What was the process for you?

Speaker 2:

Well, what I had to do was I observed some information and I decided to do a comprehensive what's called a data evaluation and data analysis of. For example, in 1930, the obesity rate was 1%. Today we are approaching 50%, that's 50x in less than 100 years. What the hell is happening? And when you pull the strings and you do the data analysis, mankind is eating especially the United States so many more of the refined and industrial process grains, sugar and seed oils, vegetable seed oils, and that's what is the cause of it. And it was the unholy trinity. Because you know, I didn't know that these carbohydrates in the form of grains, that they raise your blood sugar sky, high, high. And then that brings in the insulin and you become insulin resistant and that leads to what's called hyperinsulinemia, which is just a fancy term for too much insulin in the blood. Hyper, too much insulin emia is in the blood, as you know, and that's what starts the erosion of the glycocalyx. So you become inflamed and all these small dense LDL particles can invade the artery wall and build up the plaque over time. And that's why you have to avoid those kinds of things.

Speaker 2:

And so I did that analysis and then I started finding a lot of very smart people online. I found people like Dr Ford Brewer, ivor Cummins, jason Fung, dr Perlmutter you know a lot of your colleagues Nina Teicholz, and many of these have you know, were very kind enough to write an endorsement for this newcomer to the scene, for my book, because I just followed the science and I was able to figure it all out and I changed everything. I went basically what we need to do is eat like we've eaten for millions of years, our ancient ancestors. We ate basically a high fat, low carbohydrate diet. Our diet consisted of what we could catch, kill and eat nose to tail, and maybe what we might pick off a tree or a vine. You know some blueberries or something, but only when they were in season. But our diet primarily consisted of animals. And you know, we didn't even start eating wheat until about 9000 years ago, and that's like a blink of the eye in the eons of time, right? So I changed my whole diet around to a low carb. I didn't do it all at once, because that's impossible.

Speaker 2:

This is the advice I give in the book. You can't go, you know, immediately into keto. Try low carb, like 100 grams of carbohydrates or less a day. Get off all the processed foods, that's for damn sure. And, uh, you got to go low carb and then maybe you get comfortable that maybe go into keto, which is less than 50 grams a day, and then you do some intermittent fasting because, let's face it, our ancestors, they were lucky to eat once a day, right, I mean we.

Speaker 2:

This snacking was never a thing before, like 50 or 60 years ago, you know, because fat became the. Uh, fat is very satiating and animal meat is very satiating. But with the big fat scare from the 1950s and 60s, from the bs, from this guy, ansel keys and his fake science, this big scare was on. Oh, you gotta eat non-fat, low-fat. And then, in the 70s, all these snack foods came on the scene, right and that. And then everybody started because they couldn't last between breakfast and lunch without a. They had to eat something, because they were eating like. By that time they were eating like pop tarts and bagels and cereals and you know, instead of steak and eggs or whatever it was that they would normally eat, right, their ancestral diet. And so all these snacks started coming on the scene in the 70s and now people eat three times a day plus three or four snacks a day and it's just, it's just, it's just criminal what has happened? It's just because the big food companies, they're just making a fortune.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you talk in your book about in the 50s how the heart attack rate started to take off with Eisenhower and everything like that, and then suddenly all these new Ancel Keys and this low fat diet took over. What was the diet before the low fat diet and was that causing the heart attacks of the 50s? Or what was causing the heart attacks to happen in the 50s?

Speaker 2:

I have the answer to that. It's all in chapter one too. Because I like to start off and give people the history from you know too, because I like to start off and give people the history from you know 1900. You know the uh people. There wasn't heart attacks. There was uh, people died of what's it? Influenza, tuberculosis, infectious diseases, uh, influenza, that kind of thing. So, and it wasn't the first medically recorded heart attack didn't occur until 1912. It's's like what? Because people can't, they can't think with that. It's like, wow, 1912. So how come? So what happened was? I have a chart and it shows the graph of heart attacks and heart disease from at the bottom end, from you know, 1900 to 1955, when Eisenhower had his heart attack. But in time, 1955 rolled around, men were being taken in the prime of their life, eisenhower had the heart attack, it was a big thing. And years later, like 20 years later, they discovered through micro, micro, micro, cross, micro microscopy what was that word, I don't know microscopy yeah, yeah, yeah they had these little cameras.

Speaker 2:

They can go into the arteries and, uh, they've discovered that it was smoking was the cause of all of the heart disease. Because smoking destroys the glycocalyx, that fuzz-like lining of the arteries, and then when you have that, then these things called small deaths, ldl particles, you get in there and it flames the arteries and you have the heart attacks and everything. And they didn't discover that until the 70s, uh, when they were able to use that technology in animals and then by 1990 it became more mainstream in medical science. So the other more deadly destroyer of the glycocalyx is the carbohydrates and the sugars, and of course that's your bread, pasta, cereal, crackers, biscuits, waffles, pancakes Hang on just one second.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to pause. All right, I think we have the background noise fixed so we can continue. You're talking about the rise of heart attacks due to damage from the glycophilial endocallix from smoking, because our diets really didn't change that much between 1900 and 1950. I guess there were a few things Right? I guess there were a few things but Right Smoking.

Speaker 2:

They discovered that smoking destroys this thing called the glycocalyx, which is this fuzz-like lining of the artery walls, and that's the first line of protection against small, dense LDL particles from invading and building a plaque over years. And then they discovered 20 years later that the other, more deadly form of destruction of the glycocalyx was the carbs, the refined and industrially processed carbs from grains, the sugars and the vegetable seed oils. So that combination there, and so that's what destroys the glycocalyx and that's what happened in 1955, the scare. That's what destroys the glycocalyx and that's what happened in 1955, the scare.

Speaker 2:

Ansel Keys he had this idea that people seem to buy into that it was your arteries were like a clogged shower drain where you know you have the soap and the hair and the grease and all the gook and it clogs up. And it's not that way at all. As you know, the plaque buildup is underneath, is below the artery. So his theory from the beginning was just wrong, but it made sense to people. Hey, somebody's got a solution. Let's stop eating the steak and eggs and let's just eat the grains and low fat, nonfat. And that was a disaster, just a total disaster. And ever since then you look at the graph for obesity and date. Coincident with all that is the graph going up like this obesity.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. And and what is it about the, uh, the, the seed oils? Uh, you know, we, we, we've heard, we've heard a lot about the sugars and the carbs and people have talked about that, but the seed oils, what's about that? That's the canola oil, the vegetable oil that my mom, the dietician, used to tell me was healthy, and the American Heart Association still says on their website that they recommend canola oil as a healthy choice. So you're saying they're wrong.

Speaker 2:

I am. I have a whole chapter on it. It's just it's that chapter alone is still blowing my mind. The research that I had to do with that I have to help credit Nina Teicholz and her fantastic book the Big Fat Surprise. Emphasis on the word fat Cause she took the deep dive in her book. Uh the uh big fat surprise. What was the subtitle? Why butter, meat and cheese belong in a healthy diet.

Speaker 2:

And then there's Chris Kenobi, another one of your colleagues, dr Chris Kenobi, eye physician, nutrition researcher. He's got a great new book called uh, the ancestral diet revolution, and he goes into the all you know, the seed oils and so forth. And then there's also kate shanahan, which she named them. What did she call them? The hateful eight. Right, you know soybean oil, sunflower, safflower, canola, all those, I mean, there are some good ones, you know, the true olive oil, not the fake ones. And canola, not canola olive oil.

Speaker 1:

Coconut oil.

Speaker 2:

Coconut oil yeah, yeah, yeah, avocado and so forth. So there are some things you can cook with butter and ghee and so forth, but the seed oils, they were never even in. They were considered. They made cotton seed oil and these other vegetable oils and they were considered a toxic waste. And somebody they were used as machinery lubricant in the industrial revolution and somebody looked at a a bucket of it and said, hey, it looks like lard, let's feed it to people. We can make money. That, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then these two guys from europe came uh, james, gamble and somebody proctor turned out proctor and gamble and they made this thing called crisco and it started flying off the shelves in 1911 because, hey, it was a cheaper way to uh for cooking and all that. And then years later, not until like the 90s, they found that the amount of trans fats, Crisco, which have been confirmed by many studies trans fats are the deadliest kind of fats you want to put in your body. Yeah, even Mayo Clinic had you know what's it was their study, something like double trouble for the heart with the Crisco. And it wasn't until like 100 years later where the FDA found the these uh Crisco and saturated uh I mean a polyunsaturated uh fats as questionable for human consumption. And it's just really. It does a lot of damage to the, to the arteries. It causes a lot of inflammation. Um, even now they've just they've got studies about how it's neurodegenerative because when they process it, they have to use this chemical called hexane and that's neurodegenerative and there's articles and studies showing that they're thinking that it's the cause of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, which is an explosion these days.

Speaker 2:

That's why they're calling Alzheimer's. That's not why, but they're calling Alzheimer's, as you know, type 3 diabetes, because all the people practically with Alzheimer's, they all have undiagnosed type 2 diabetes. And the reason for that, as you probably know, there was a study out of Johns Hopkins in. You probably know there was a study out of Johns Hopkins in 2019 and that's like what, five minutes ago, uh, and it showed that 74 percent of doctors now we're talking cardiologists, internists and general practitioners 74 percent do not know how to properly test for pre-diabetes or type 2 diabetes, let alone know how to treat it. So no wonder it's an epidemic that it's way. That's way big. It's a silent epidemic, way bigger than what we just lived through the past few years with the nonsense, with the well, I don't want to get into all that. So you have this silent epidemic going on. And these seed oils. It's just crazy how harmful they can be.

Speaker 1:

I have all that chapter six. So well, it's, it's great the way you you this, this plan. You you've embraced with the, with uh, removing carbs and sugars from your diet, the seed oils and the grains, and you talk about that and I it's something that I I totally believe in, but it's it's so great that you've taken the time to spend with us today. Maybe you could tell us, daniel, how to, how our audience can follow you, what your website is and how they can follow you on social media.

Speaker 2:

Oh, absolutely no doubt. It is danieltrevorcom. Just go to danieltrevorcom. I have a at the top. I have a short seven minute video. It tells my story and some of the alarming statistics that you've heard. This last little bit as well. As they can sign up for a free preview of the book, which is the first 48 pages they get on the mailing list. I sent out a newsletter, maybe bi-weekly, once a week, once every two weeks, something like that. And also underneath the video they can see all these amazing endorsements that I've gotten from a lot of your colleagues.

Speaker 2:

It's like, wow, I didn't know you at the time. I would have hit you up for one. But you know, nina teicholz, I got dr mark hyman, uh, dr philip ovadia, like you have for your book, who's done over what? 3 000 heart operations. Uh, I even have dr lou Ignaro, who won the Nobel Prize in medicine for his discovery of nitric oxide. I mean, I got some. I really lucked out with all that and I feel very fortunate and flattered that they would find value in what I wrote and even though it's for the average reader of health and wellness, because I want to, I want to communicate to the average person so they can understand in non-medical terminology, like your book.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, well, I really enjoyed the book. I recommend it highly. I think it's going to be. People will get a lot out of it when they read it. But again, Daniel, it's great, it's great to connect with you today and thanks for being on this podcast and thanks so much for all the great work you do.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, doctor, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1:

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