Health Longevity Secrets

Is Biohacking Safe?

• Robert Lufkin MD • Episode 187

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Join us for a thrilling journey into the world of biohacking with our guest, Jean Fallacara, one of the founders of the biohacking movement and editor of Biohackers Magazine with an audience of over 5 million. Discover how his extensive academic background in biochemistry, genetics, and artificial intelligence fuels his mission to make biohacking accessible to everyone. Jean shares his unique vision for optimizing life, focusing on enhancing the quality of living rather than merely extending it. We'll unravel the concept of biohacking, exploring how technology, science, and environmental factors converge to improve health and longevity. With tools like the Oura Ring and continuous glucose monitors becoming more mainstream, this conversation is your gateway to the cutting edge of lifestyle experimentation.

What if you could unlock the secrets of your biology with just a few tweaks? Jean discusses the ethos of biohacking, spotlighting personal autonomy over one's body amidst regulatory challenges. We delve into fascinating innovations like CRISPR technology and unconventional therapies for PTSD, such as light and sound stimulation. Jean is particularly excited about the transformative potential of AI, predicting future breakthroughs as AI models are applied to biological functions. This episode is packed with insights into how AI is revolutionizing research, reducing failures, and accelerating scientific progress.

Finally, we explore the intriguing intersection of spirituality and biohacking, drawing inspiration from pioneers like Joe Dispenza. Jean invites us to rethink our understanding of human beings, emphasizing often-overlooked energy fields and electromagnetic aspects of the body. As we consider the power of meditation and energy exchanges, Jean stresses the importance of discerning credible insights in the flood of information from social media. Learn about resources like Biohackers Magazine and the Lifespanning project, which aim to provide clarity in the evolving fields of biohacking and longevity. Jean's passion and expertise leave us inspired and eager to explore more of this exciting frontier.

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Speaker 1:

Yeah, good conversation, come back Now he started. All right, well, we can go with this. I think it's good. All right, hey, sean, my brother, welcome. Thank you for coming to the show.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, robert. I'm so thrilled to be here Like it's such a pleasure. Every time I see you, every time I speak to you, it's like we start and we never stop.

Speaker 1:

So hopefully we're going to stop today because otherwise people will get bored. Well, I'm so excited about talking about biohacking and all the amazing things you're doing, but before we do that, let's just. This is the first time you've been on the program. Maybe take a couple of minutes and introduce yourself and a little bit about how you got interested in this space and what brought you here. Okay cool.

Speaker 2:

So, uh, I think I was born as a biohacker because I was using the milk from my mother to grow up so kind of a hack. But uh, no, I'm serial entrepreneur. I've been studying my whole life this is the things that I've done, like because of my maybe ADHD. But I went from biochemistry to genetics, immunology, engineering, biotech, and then I even ended up at the MIT for artificial intelligence, virtual reality. I was kind of bored and I said, like I'll go back to school and keep learning. I don't watch TV, so I learn and I read and that's what I do. But I was more in the sphere of entrepreneurial spirit, like I've ran and started and merged and sold and bought 12 companies in my life. But I was always obsessed with one thing improving my brain and my life. So I became a biohacker 23 years ago along with Dave Asprey and Ben Greenfield. We started, pretty much at the same time, oz and OZ Disguise. And, as I said, you know from the human optimization I just realized that if you spend 60% of your time optimizing your life and extending it for 20%, you're not intelligent and then you're spending your time the wrong way, and that's how Lifespanning was born.

Speaker 2:

I wanted to make biohacking more mainstream. There is a negative kind of connotation on biohacking. Like you know, you hack something where you know it. As a doctor, we cannot hack our biology. We can improve it, we can change it, but we cannot hack it. Our biology is a system that works and can be optimized. So, um, looking at that, I just said, like I want people to understand that we're not hacker, but we are life optimizers. We want to extend life, but the main important thing for us was mainly to change the trajectory of people, allowing them to live longer but healthier, not dying in the 10 last years of their life miserably in hospital and things like that.

Speaker 2:

Short story short, in 2021, I acquired Biohackers magazine. For me, it was a step into media, which I was absolutely probably not made for at the beginning, but, like Darwin would say, I adapted it and here I am. I'm still running the magazine. The company grew very, very fast. We have about 5 million people looking at the magazine, 350 subscribers, 350,000, not 350. And, yeah, I'm on my next mission Lifespanning and this is, in short, who I am.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean as one of truly one of the father, one of the not fathers. There's no gender with it, but I was one of the one of the founders of the whole biohacking movement and also biohacking magazine and lifespaning, which we're going to get to in a little bit, but before we do that, maybe just for audience what? What makes someone a biohacker, or who is what is biohacking and who is a biohacker, on very, very basic terms.

Speaker 2:

That's a great question. You know, if you go, if you go on social media, people will tell you that a biohacker is someone that wake up in the morning, look at the sun, drink water with lemon and then go for infrared therapy hyperbreak chamber, sauna, pole plunges and everything at it. Um, people before us and this generation were already doing those things not infrared, but waking up, looking at the sun, grounding, walking, uh, cold plunges and sauna and all these things. So, um, I don't know if that is the definition of biohacking, but I think that the true definition of biohacking is someone that uses technology, science, art and his environment to improve himself and to live longer. That could be a pretty much accurate definition, I would say.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and broadly I mean, it's almost someone who cares about their lifestyle, their experience and their health. And today, you know there's so much emphasis about metabolic health and lifestyle, how it matters, and it's almost people paying attention to that are essentially, by your definition, the biohackers. So we're all if we're curious about ourselves and our body and the way we react to foods and, you know, exercise. We're all sort of biohacking in our own little way.

Speaker 2:

So one of the best biohacker is this one.

Speaker 1:

Shameless, plug, plug. But yeah, and, and now you know, I think this is such a such a wonderful time for, for self-experimentation, curiosity about about our lifestyle and what we're doing. I mean today, at the time we're recording this famously or or the company that makes the aura ring, which is a bio monitoring ring that many people have, was, I think they're in talks to be sold for $5 billion to Dexcom.

Speaker 1:

And, and you know, amazingly, for the first time this year, in first time in American history, continuous glucose monitors, which used to require a physician's prescription and many doctors just refused to prescribe them for people. Now, finally, we can all buy them over the counter. I'm wearing mine right now. And I read it out on my phone and I can tell my glucose. And you can now you, you, you can order them without your doctor, and it's you know, we've, we've talked about this before. It's almost like a, a dashboard on your metabolic engine.

Speaker 2:

You know we all want to see how it's running, you know, yeah, and finally we have access to these. But you know what the biohackers have been using, like glucose monitoring, to, to, to, to look at their well, to look at everything on their body, ouraring as well. There's still, robert, some limitation on not the glucose monitoring, but on trackers, because the trackers are, like, done in a statistical way of calculation and a couple of times some people get out of the cloud of results. So it's a good thing. My opinion, every tracker is a fantastic tool to monitor where you are, long as you use it intelligently. I mean, like, how many people became addicted to their tracker because they didn't do their 8 000, 10 000 step and or?

Speaker 2:

if yeah and they wake up in the morning and the tracker was not touching really the skin and it tells you oh, you only had 30 minutes of REM sleep and 30 minutes of deep sleep, but you felt when you woke up, you felt that you were at rest, but your tracker is telling you that you're not. Your mind is sending the signal to your body that you're not functional today and that is oxidative stress that you're creating. So you have to be careful with all these things. This is one of the things that I've been sharing with the public when I do talks.

Speaker 2:

It's fantastic to be a biohacker. It's fantastic to do the work to know your body, to know your biology and how it works and the process, the metabolic process. But the best thing you can do when you use trackers is to increase your proprioception, your interoception in general. If you learn to do that and know you're like get your own feedback from your body, then you can get rid of those trackers and use them once in a while to make a check, like you make a check on your blood work the same way, but having them permanently, I think it's counterproductive for some people.

Speaker 1:

Wow, that's such a great point. Let me see if I reframe that. So it's almost like these tools these biohacking tools and feedback tools are very valuable, but the ultimate goal, ideally, is we become more aware of our body to the point that we need them less, and these are just training tools to become more self-aware and to be able to self-monitor and self-regulate. That's a beautiful concept. That's really nice. I have none.

Speaker 2:

I have only this Apple or Neuro, but I was wearing my ring for a month because I wanted to check back on that, and now I know that I'm still feeling my body the way I need to feel it. I just got rid of it because I don't want to wake up in the morning and get some things that tells me that I didn't sleep well or I didn't do enough steps. Today I want to walk when I feel walking. I want to walk when I feel tired or exhausted by the work, but I don't want to be forced to walk because I need to achieve 10,000 steps. I do way more than that, but it's natural. It's part of the 1% a day that you adapt yourself to a better life and you and you optimize yourself to get better every day. Yeah, people should do that yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 1:

Fascinating point. Um, today I mean that we're not. We're not a political show and our audience we have people on all sides of the political spectrum, but in our nation, in the United States, is having a new, a new administration, and this administration has spoken out. They made some of their views known about metabolic health and, for the first time I can remember, we have national level politicians saying the word seed oils. Finally, do you think this is a good? What's your take on this? As far as biohacking, is this a positive thing?

Speaker 2:

It is. Yeah, I think it's a very positive without abstraction of the political view of it Having someone from the government perspective that pays attention to what is the reality today. And the reality is like okay, peptides are great products. They shouldn't have been removed from the market. We should use them, we should encourage people to use them in a certain way. You can frame it if you want, but not remove them from the market because the FDA said it's not good. Same for every aspect of seed oil and all these things.

Speaker 2:

Well, look at the guy. He's in shape, he pays attention to his lifestyle. I remember an interview of him before he was even running for political views. He was already talking about health and the way that we are sabotaging our health system and the way that we are killing our people in this country, and it's sad. So for me it's sad. So for me it's a hope. It's a hope that finally we will make people understand that there are things that we can change and hopefully, like you say in your book, it has to go to the next generation. It has to go to the system where people are educated and the whole education system needs to adapt the same way. So it's a beautiful thing that is happening now. Whatever the political view are, I'm fully happy with having that guy there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and to be clear, that guy is, we're talking about Robert Kennedy. Jr who's a Health and Human Services nominee for the next administration coming forward, and you mentioned several things about the FDA pulling back peptides and limiting their sales. Are there any other specific things that you would like to see, in a perfect world, changed in our government? That would allow more biohacking, and it seems like there's going to be some changes now.

Speaker 2:

It's going to be some changes but we'll see some opportunities.

Speaker 1:

What in your dream list? Is there anything else with the FDAda and um, those sorts of things?

Speaker 2:

uh, I think that stem cells or stem cell with stem cell for me, is one of the biggest thing to put. Like you know, stem cells I've been like so um, controlled in a way that they shouldn't be. We know today, honestly, as scientists, we know that stem cell is probably the way of making people live longer, better. It's probably the first thing that you can put on your list to make people having a better life and even curing certain type of illnesses. So it is very encouraging to see that maybe the regulation around stem cell will be more flexible, more understandable and probably budget of research and studies and publication will go in that direction, helping people to understand. Because today you know this is my other problem is like who's taking stem cell, who's having stem cell and seeing results Biohackers and rich people but many people are suffering and they should have access to stem cell therapy as well, should be completely covered yeah, and of course it's always a balancing act between regulation for the public good versus over regulation.

Speaker 1:

you know the people say hey, what about thalidomide, which was a tranquilizer that was given to pregnant women that caused birth defects Famously, you know, in the 60s this was a long time ago, but it seems like you know my opinion we've swung a little bit too far.

Speaker 1:

on the other side I mean one other area I often hear longevity people and biohacking people talk about is the right to try laws. Longevity people and biohacking people talk about is the right to try laws which would sort of be for biohackers, that that right now it's against the law to do certain things you know like you mentioned certain types of stem cells or even certain drugs that are being developed by pharmaceuticals or the psychedelics for sure.

Speaker 1:

But even treatments that are in the process of evaluation cannot be used by a patient who's dying of XYZ disease. Just because it's against the law, they can't be used. And there's this movement, this right to try movement, where the patient signs off liability. So hey, if I die from it, I'm gonna die anyway, but it signs off the liability, but it allows people to experiment more freely and the individual, I believe, should have a right to try pretty much anything they want, you know, if you believe in autonomy and agency and sovereignty as an individual. And it seems that's the sort of the biohacker ethos too in a way, right?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely. You know, as long as you don't hurt others, you are your own master. You're the master of your decision. Why you wouldn't be the master of your body and deciding whatever you want to put in your body or try things? It's like it's legit. It's legit to think that way. No one should have control over someone else. This is wrong. Why Vitalia, for example, this island in Honduras, exists is because it was the only way to put biotech company in a way that the regulation will not affect the research and the progress of the research. We shouldn't go in that direction. We should be able to make science the progress. Remember CRISPR? Crispr was actually used by biohackers. Crispr was actually used by biohackers. It took like 11 years before the FDA was like oh, we're going to approve CRISPR, but just for a certain part of it. Not every CRISPR is good for health. I'm sorry, but CRISPR is another one that is really important for the future.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, absolutely. It's another one that is really important for the future. Yeah, no, absolutely, I yeah. So there a lot, of, a lot of things. I think there are going to be a lot of changes and things. Things will happen fast and hopefully, you know, we won't break too many things it'll be be positive.

Speaker 1:

um, what in the in the whole biohacker space aside, aside from the politics and regulatory things like this what are you most excited about? You've heard things like, wow, this is going to change, or things that you're hopeful for in. You know, maybe it's not ready for primetime now, but in something like that, what gets you excited about?

Speaker 2:

it. Well, you know what, what? What I get really excited about today is some things that I was not believing a believer in before, like if you put me back 10 years ago and explain me that light and sound stimulation can cure ptsd and things like that, as a scientist I would go like that makes no sense. Or bioharmonization will detect some failure in organs before any scan or other things. Or will realign your energy in a way that you can improve your health. Or structured water, like honestly structured water. As scientists, we've been explained that water it's H2O okay, it's a simple molecule. Now we understand that water is structured and if you put structured water in your body, your body reacts in different ways than if you put just distilled water or whatsoever, or flat water. So all these things are making me full of hope for a bright future, because we are now opening our minds to things that we don't understand, the same as quantum energy.

Speaker 2:

Like four years ago, when we were talking about quantum, it was only in the scientific high-level spheres. Because of those two guys from France that got the Nobel Prize, quantum became more trendy. Of course, everybody jumped on it and used it the wrong way sometimes, but still quantum energy, as Einstein was saying, is something so complicated that our brain was not wired to understand it, but now we're starting to understand it. What is that? It's the beauty of evolution. Like I said before, Darwinism at 100%. We are evolving as species, we are adapting, we are opening to the new technologies and knowledge. And there is one factor on the top of everything I just said.

Speaker 1:

And there is one factor on the top of everything I just said artificial intelligence. That is helping us to get, or coming up with novel ideas or all of the above really?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, all of them, I guess, yes, all of them, Of course, like research, you're going to save so much time in research because you've been in the lab. I've been in the lab and we all know that we do. Out of 10 research program that we run, nine are just failure and one is great With artificial intelligence. We're going to save so much time not making those nine failure and going straight to the right protocol to get the right research published the right way. So that is beautiful. So I dream about, of course, therapy and new molecules that will come out from that, but also progress on any stages that we don't touch too much today, Like I think that bioharmonization, for example, which is part of biohacking. Only Johns Hopkins University is doing some things on it, but I haven't seen any university across the United States trying.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's interesting. Like the large language models for vocabulary and language and speech, then they create language vectors to assign meaning to it. It would be interesting Someone was we were talking about instead of using large language models, do it based on set of sense and structure and semantics and vocabulary, do it based on protein confirmation and folding and do vector models based on protein function and come up with a biology large language model. Essentially it wouldn't be language, it'd be a function model. But yeah, so many interesting things. Let me backtrack a little bit, Since you brought it up on spirituality or mind type things. What are some of the best, the exciting things in this space for biohacking?

Speaker 1:

you know, I just did a joe dispensa program oh with nice down in mexico for a week and it was like mind-blowing but I'm going yeah, just amazing work with him, and you know many other people are doing things what do you, what are you most excited about in in this kind of that kind of space for biohacking?

Speaker 2:

well, that's still, you know, it's still linked to what I was saying before. We are energy and we are this type of energy that for so long we've been saying like, okay, we're a body with some electrical flux and reaction and electrochemical reaction in our body, but now we realize that actually, and because of the quantum physics as well, like those vibration frequencies and energy that are part of our body, actually, and we've been talking about mind and mindset and all these things, it's way above everything that we have tried to explain so far. And when you think that this rule of the power of attraction that Joe Dispenza is talking about is real, about, uh, is real, and it's like, and now, uh, more and more, we see proof of concept, or like, um, bad mood, positive mood, change the color of your lightning, uh, we emit some things like five watts, I think, has light, uh, and it can be from blue to red according to your mood. So you, you start to understand that we're not just like this matter that you touch and it hands up here, it's just like to do an extension to that. And what brings us to? What that brings us is like some sort of spirituality and I'm, I'm agnostic, I, I. I have no god. I believe in the future, but I believe in the energy.

Speaker 2:

And what I do like in the process of getting older is the fact that you start to understand that when you do some sort of meditation, you start to understand that outside of our body there's a lot of things that we don't even pay attention to.

Speaker 2:

An example and not being too holistic and keeping the ground like let's stay grounded, but I mean like you walk in the street and someone pass very close to you and you have this feeling of oh, I don't know how I can explain it, but this is the energy field that you exchange with that person, and sometimes that person can be so negative that you feel like some sort of a huge frustration in your gut and you don't know why. You don't even know that person. But this is the energy field that you exchange and those things are really interesting because it's completely out of our science, from the lab where we're making experimentation and things like that. It's something you have to open up your spirit to at least try to understand and make you realize that it's not just like one molecule plus one molecule or one DNA expressed into that gene and so on. It's beyond that. So I'm not saying that. You know, this theory of we one I'm I'm more into like the oneness than the wholeness.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I mean, one of my greatest disappointments going to medical school and medical education was the learning and what I was taught, and it's still taught largely, is that human beings and animals are largely living systems or biochemical systems. There are molecules that interact with proteins and certainly hey, that's true, there's no, no shade there. But yeah, what was really not emphasized with the electromagnetic aspect of it the light energy and other electromagnetic frequencies that we emit throughout our body with different things other than our heart and our brain, a little bit with EEGs and EKGs. There's very little emphasis on that and I think, like you're saying, it's a huge area that we're just overlooking at least scratching.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we're just conventional medicine is is doing that well. The um. We want to shift to the a little bit to the, to the, to biohacker magazine. It's a super magazine. I love it.

Speaker 2:

I recommend everybody to, especially the one which you on the cover that is coming up next month.

Speaker 1:

You could you skip that one, but uh, no, that's a big one, but it's great that you're doing that. I mean, I, I hey, I love social media, I love everything like that, but it's, it's great having a physical magazine that comes out on a periodic basis, that, even if it's digital, you know, but something that there's, there's something important to that. Some Some you know it's, it's good for the industry. I think it's good for for the, the biohacking space that you're doing that. So thank you for for making that happen and, and you know, the it's, it's such a good thing. And also even more thanks for Lifespanning. I'm so excited about that project. Maybe we we haven't, we haven't talked about it before, uh, with the audience.

Speaker 2:

Maybe tell them a little bit about exactly what you're doing there and, uh, what, what gets you excited about it well, you know, as a bio hacker, I was like always, uh, thrown between like what is hacking, what is longevity, what is healthspan, what is lifespan? And I was trying to find out a way that we can because Biohackers magazine promotes only real fact and news and get rid of the crap in the industry. And for me, lifespaning was like more. You know Biohackers, they know what they're doing most of the time, but so many people are overwhelmed by choices and social media information. It's good to be in the media industry, but when you look at the power of social media today, you can go on one page and in about. It's like making a publication and having three different doctors reviewing it, three opinions, four different things after that. So it's the same on social media. You go somewhere and, okay, you should take NAD. Oh no, you shouldn't take NAD. You should take this? Oh no, you should take that. And then people get lost and by getting lost in this ocean of information, and sometimes even wrong information, they give up on the major thing that I think we should put emphasis on living longer and better. So they don't have the courage to start somewhere because it's too overwhelming. And that's from the public perspective. On the other side, you have tons of companies that are making fantastic product and supplement and very clean stuff, but they don't know how to access the market. They don't know how to promote themselves. They spend money on social media promotion and they don't get any results.

Speaker 2:

And we, because of the legacy of Biohackers magazine, we found ourselves in the middle of this chaos and I said, like you know, we're just going to make things easy, keep it simple, k-i-s. We have this population that wants to live longer. We have this manufacturer that wants to live longer. We have this manufacturer that wants to access there. Let's make the bridge and bring everything together in a platform where people will be guided. We have a powerful algorithm that guides people according to their lifestyle, genetics, history, family and all these things and guide them to make the right choices.

Speaker 2:

And, on the other side, we make sure that the products that are recommended are good quality. They're not like no BS in the process. They are like selected, they're certified and they are proposed to the public. And this is how we do it. And then because, like I said, I'm Robin Hood of the biohacking, we even finance people to access technology. Like you don't know how to meditate, we're going to give you the tool that is normally like a thousand dollars. You're not going to pay for that. We're going to make you access this tool accessible if you become a member and then you can use it, learn how to meditate, and you don't have to put the upfront payment on that. This is one of the other concepts we have with Lifespanning and, at the end of the day, you know what Lifespanning? It's even a word I invented. It didn't exist.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's going to be in the dictionary next year.

Speaker 2:

I'm so excited about it.

Speaker 1:

Wow, wow, that is great. It's almost like it is like a trusted source, so kind of like totally what you said. We get so much information, even even you know it's just it's buried. What do you believe? What do you not believe? It just takes time vetting everything. So Lifespanning will have private label products that are specifically Lifespanning products. So you know it's.

Speaker 2:

You know, even with the brand, like we keep the brand alive, we don't we're agnostic in terms of brand, we don't prefer one or the other. If the brand is legit, if the product is legit, if the quality is there, you're going to be on the platform. If you come to us and you say, oh, I have a super biohacking product or a product that extends lifespan and it's like crap, you're not going to be there. Extend lifespan and it's like crap, you're not going to be there. We make sure that the products that are listed are real products, like scientifically backed and validated and everything.

Speaker 1:

So yeah, when I join Lifespanning and I'm part of the community. Basically, will they be able to interact with each other as like a community, so they can give feedback and are you going to do any?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, it's a complete ecosystem. So, from the people, the community, the product, the expert, the wellness center, the biohacking center, like you come. You come to the community and you say like, oh, I just got a blood work done and I don't know what to do. You upload it on our platform.

Speaker 2:

We tell you exactly what kind of supplement are good for you, what kind of protocols biohacking or or life improvement protocols are good for you and the one that are not good for you. Protocols are good for you and the ones that are not good for you. And then we are going to give you access to say like, for example, you have a protocol that says like, oh, you should go for Sona because your AGH is too low, so to increase your AGH, go for Sona and Cold Plunge. And then you're going to be oh, I don't have Cold Plunge and Sona. Oh, what's your zip code that? Okay, you know that there is a center there. It's part of our network. You can go there to have sauna and cold plunge. So we make this ecosystem really, making people live longer and have access to all these things that were too long just for privileged. Now it's going to be accessible and mainstream.

Speaker 1:

That's so good and we were talking a little bit offline about this, so that, in addition to the ecosystem, the community and everything online, which everyone will get all access to, everything. In addition, you're going to have physical locations locations correct. Where is that what? You were referring to they could go for, yeah you know, sauna or red light therapy or whatever, and get things done there then as part of it also. That's so exciting, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then we have a team of experts like you that are part. Yeah, that are well.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yeah, and I think you said you're going to open I'm I'm based in los angeles. You said we're going to open one here. Maybe we'll do an episode. We'll go down and film it, uh down there and uh, take everybody on a tour and you know, see, see how it is. That would be, that would be wonderful. I think that's it's so good.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know, robert, he was the dream of my life because when I sold my company in 21, I was still in the industry of making minus 80 freezers for the biomedical field and I realized some things that it was the first time in my life that I was working for a company. I was their managing director and I realized that I'm not made for that. I'm an entrepreneur and I'm here to serve the population and have a life on purpose, and so I was supposed to stay there five years. I quit after a year and a half because it was not me.

Speaker 2:

I think, like what we're creating now, whatever the step we do, like you, you publish this book. You have an impact now, but the people will teach their kids and their kids will adopt what you say in this book. Care about legacy, I care about. We are creating a movement toward longevity and lifestyle and this is the beauty of it. Even if it takes three, five, 10 generations, who cares? We are the pioneer and the pushers of doing that. We are doing it and we started. For so long, people have been sitting and doing nothing. We have started this movement.

Speaker 1:

I'm so excited this is yes, yes, we're doing this, let's go. Well, maybe you know we could go on and talk forever, but maybe we should probably end here and let's definitely come back to this. I want to revisit. We have a lot of other stuff to talk about Before we leave. Could you tell them, tell our audience, the best way to find for anyone who doesn't know how to use Google or anything else, how to find Biohacker Magazine or Lifespanning. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Lifespanningcom. Like Lifespanningcom.

Speaker 1:

Like that Lifespanningcom like Lifespanningcom.

Speaker 2:

Like that Lifespanningcom. My Instagram is Cyborg Gaines. It has nothing to do with Lifespanning. It's my nickname, cyborg Gaines, with a Z at the end, and Biohackersmagcom as well. You can find the link from Lifespanningcom as well. And yeah, that's it. You can Google my name. I pop up just after you.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, no, I think you're much in front of me. I don't think so. Well, jean, this has been so much fun today and I want to thank you for being here and the great conversation. It really opened my mind about biohacking and also the exciting work you're doing, and thanks for everything.

Speaker 2:

Thanks to you. I really appreciate you, brother, honestly.