You've probably never thought about how diets are similar to dating. You know the times when you're hiding your date from friends? Or should I say hiding that snack in your room so no one sees you eating it?
Yeah, there's a lot of parallels. Let's talk about them.
I'm excited for Toni Marinuci MS, RD to join me today to share how dieting and dating are similar by explaining different scenarios that you might relate to and why jumping from diet to diet (hello, New Year!) probably isn't the solution for you.
We also discuss the challenge of combating misinformation online (this is hard, we know), the importance of seeking help for eating disorders, and the significance of your mindset in overcoming binge eating.
Hit play and join Toni and me in our discussion about diets, dating and the mindset secrets that'll change your perspectives.
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TOPICS COVERED 👇
Toni's journey (00:02:49)
Michelle's journey (00:04:08)
The importance of finding reliable sources of information (00:08:11)
The inspiration behind Toni's book (00:12:15)
Importance of mindset in overcoming binge eating and emotional overeating
The harm that can be caused by seeking help from unqualified professionals (00:29:04)
Identifying Root Issues (00:33:00)
The importance of mindset in changing one's relationship with food and body (00:33:20)
Choosing your second thought (00:33:45)
Dieting and Toxic Relationships (00:41:49)
Client story (00:51:19)
Toni's Links:
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You've probably never thought about how diets are similar to dating. You know the times when you're hiding your date from friends? Or should I say hiding that snack in your room so no one sees you eating it?
Yeah, there's a lot of parallels. Let's talk about them.
I'm excited for Toni Marinuci MS, RD to join me today to share how dieting and dating are similar by explaining different scenarios that you might relate to and why jumping from diet to diet (hello, New Year!) probably isn't the solution for you.
We also discuss the challenge of combating misinformation online (this is hard, we know), the importance of seeking help for eating disorders, and the significance of your mindset in overcoming binge eating.
Hit play and join Toni and me in our discussion about diets, dating and the mindset secrets that'll change your perspectives.
✨ TAKE THE 2 MINUTE QUIZ, Why Are You Overeating?
TOPICS COVERED 👇
Toni's journey (00:02:49)
Michelle's journey (00:04:08)
The importance of finding reliable sources of information (00:08:11)
The inspiration behind Toni's book (00:12:15)
Importance of mindset in overcoming binge eating and emotional overeating
The harm that can be caused by seeking help from unqualified professionals (00:29:04)
Identifying Root Issues (00:33:00)
The importance of mindset in changing one's relationship with food and body (00:33:20)
Choosing your second thought (00:33:45)
Dieting and Toxic Relationships (00:41:49)
Client story (00:51:19)
Toni's Links:
LEARN MORE
🔥 My Signature 4-Month Program, Nourished & Free
📲 Follow me on Instagram (you'll get to know me pretty quickly!)
📖 Check out my Blog for tons of helpful articles
SHOW SOME LOVE
⭐️ Loved this episode? Leave a 5 star rating on Apple podcasts or Spotify (thank you!)
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Michelle (00:00:03) - Welcome back to the Nutrition Free Podcast. I'm your host, Michelle Yates, and this is where we like to talk about having a nourishing and healthy relationship with food, while being free from the stress and the guilt that comes along with dieting and binge eating and emotional eating, and just all of the toxic stuff that comes along with having a tumultuous relationship with food. So I'm glad you're here today. This is a really fun episode. Toni Marinucci reached out to me on Instagram and said, hey, I've got a podcast to love your messaging. I feel like we align a lot in our values. Would you like to do kind of like an episode swap and do an episode for each other? And I said, yeah, why don't we just cohost an episode? Actually, I think that'd be even better if we could just cohost together and throw that same episode on both of our podcasts. So if you listen to her podcast, you're going to see this pretty much same episode on her podcast as well. But I'm excited for you to get to know her if you don't know her already, she's a registered dietitian and business owner of Diet Tips with Toni, who ironically, she teaches people how not to diet, which I love. So she's a podcast host. As I said, social media influencer. She's also spoke at Ted X, and she has a number one best selling book called Once Upon a Diet, where she discusses the parallels between dieting and dating and romantic relationships and how we treat them the same. So that's kind of the premise of this episode, is I want to talk about how dieting can be really similar to dating, and even similar to having a toxic relationship with an ex. So I'm excited for you to dig in and maybe start to ask yourself those questions of, how is my relationship with food similar to being in a relationship with somebody who's actually not a good fit for me? Toni provides online nutrition coaching to help women break free from the all or nothing mindset, and encourages them to embrace balance instead. If you know me, you know this is really similar to what I do, so I think you're going to love her. Her mission is to end restrictive diet culture by providing simple tips to healthy living while incorporating the foods that you love.
Michelle (00:01:55) - So let's dive into this episode. If you enjoy it, please let us know by leaving a rating and review and share this episode with a friend. Welcome to the show you guys! This is a fun episode because we're doing a little co-host action, so depending on what show you're listening to this on, welcome. Super excited to have you got Toni here with me. Yeah.
Toni (00:02:15) - And I have Michelle here with me.
Michelle (00:02:17) - Love it, love it Toni why don't you for those listening to my show, why don't you introduce yourself and bring us into who you are and what your story is?
Toni (00:02:25) - Yeah. So I'm Toni Marinucci, I'm a registered dietitian, and I am someone who helps people here, their relationship with food and their bodies. And why I do that is because I once struggled with my relationship with food and my body, and I went down very disordered eating patterns. I grew up overweight, insecure, with, teased about my weight. I was told things like verbatim that if I didn't lose the weight, I would never get a boyfriend.
Toni (00:02:49) - And I really internalize that and really mean it really made me believe that my weight was tied to my worth. And so I tried absolutely everything in my power to, quote unquote, fix my body because it seemed broken so that I could be worthy of love and marriage and all the things that you're told that you need to look like and be like in order to be, to be able to receive that. And I was miserable. I would skip meals, I would over exercise. I mean, the saga continues. I'm sure you guys have heard this story before, and it just made me really unhappy, uh, really deprived. I learned really early on that restriction wasn't wasn't the answer. It was actually part of the problem. And eventually, after many years of becoming a registered dietitian myself, working through my own stuff, going to therapy, um, you know, really testing things out, experimenting, changing my mindset. I mean, it's a process for sure. Oh, yeah. I was finally able to overcome that.
Toni (00:03:44) - And now I help women do the same. So it was definitely a long journey. I skipped over a lot of parts. Um, yeah.
Michelle (00:03:49) - But yeah, it's always hard to boil it down until like an elevator speech.
Toni (00:03:52) - Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's basically basically what I do. And I know Michelle, you for people listening to my show, I know you work with a very similar population, which is why we just decided to do this together. It just made so much sense. So I would love for my listeners to hear more about your story.
Michelle (00:04:08) - Yeah. I don't feel like I'm as like quick with it, like you've got it down really well. And I still like because every time you tell your story, you remember something new and you've got a new way of processing it, you know? But anyway. So I'll, I'll be quick with it though. So I'm Michelle Yates, I'm a registered dietitian as well, similar to Toni. And um, so I have kind of focused my career around eating disorders and disordered eating.
Michelle (00:04:32) - I worked in outpatient eating disorder treatment for a little while, and even just through my schooling. And always like from the beginning, I started focusing on that in some way or another. I've just always been tied to that subject matter and weirdly enough turns out we're usually interested in the things that relate to us. So I actually discovered in college, which was far too late, that I was struggling with my own. I mean, there's no label there. I didn't get a diagnosis, but I would say I probably related most to restrictive type anorexia or some sort of restrictive type disorder. I don't know that I hit the exact criteria though, which is part of the reason why I minimized it, because I realized, wow, I've got an issue here, but it's not perfectly fitting these criteria. So I'm actually okay, you know, so it was easy for me to justify how I was doing, especially since I was going to school if I'd be a dietitian. I think you just get on your pride rock a little bit there and you're like, no, it's it's cool.
Michelle (00:05:33) - I know what I'm doing. Like, you don't need to worry about me. So anyway, through, I mean, what I would just describe as like God's grace to me, I eventually got out of that. And, um, I mean, similar to use like as I continued to study and learn more about nutrition, I started to realize that I didn't need to micromanage as much as I was. You know, like I was I was going to be okay. My body can handle a wide range of nutrition and and eating more. Even so, yeah, I just kind of saw how that was pretty destructive for me and also taking away a lot from my life. Like, you know, if you're worried about getting ice cream with friends, it's probably not that healthy for you if you can't enjoy the moment. So anyway, um, now I do online coaching, and most often I work with women who are struggling with binge eating and emotional overeating. That diet, binge cycle, all or nothing mentality, those things.
Michelle (00:06:28) - So yeah, I love it. And then I do have my own show as well. So it's been fun to kind of be in this entrepreneur role and be in the online space, which is also just crazy in and of itself.
Toni (00:06:40) - Yeah, totally. Well, that's actually, you know, it's so funny. My so my shows tips with Toni and my brand everything is tips with Toni obviously I'm Toni blah blah. It came actually in college. The idea came to me because I that's when like, you know, I don't know how old you are, but I'm in my I'm, I'm old I'm like 20 okay. So I'm early 30s and yeah when I was going to college, that's when like Facebook became popular and like social media was becoming popular and like, you know, the internet was more popular, like, but before that, like, it really wasn't that, you know, New Age or whatever. So anyways, I just remember, like I was sitting in class and I was like, oh my God, if I hear one more person tell me that they're going to try this tummy tuck, tuck tea shenanigans, oh yes, that they found on a Facebook ad like, I am just like, I'm going to give up.
Toni (00:07:32) - Like whatever. Like I'm not, you know? But then I was like, wait a minute, because everybody around me was saying the same thing. Like all the dietetics majors, they were all complaining about it. I was like, you know what? Let's not complain about it. Let's be about it. Let me be a valuable resource. Let me be someone in this space that actually, you know, I've been at that point, I was in my third year of college. Like, I have a pretty good amount of knowledge under my belt, you know, being a dietetics major, plus the, like, personal stuff. Yeah. So I was like, why not just become that resource? And that's where tips were. Toni. That's where I went. I started online, I started a YouTube channel. You know, I didn't know what I was doing. I had like one view to view whatever. And now obviously it's grown over the years, but that's been like over, over a decade of like a lot of work.
Toni (00:08:11) - And I will say that although I think like people like you and I and some of our colleagues are definitely making a dent now, it's only like more people are online, so it's only more. Yeah, there's so much more misinformation. So it's really important to know where you're getting your information from. And for those who are listening to this episode, like, kudos to you because I think you've probably are already starting to realize, like, there's either some B.S. out there or there's some like honest stuff. And like, honestly, our stuff that we talk about is not sexy. It's not cute, it's not fun. We're less likely to go viral because of the fact that, like, we're telling you really basic things. It's not sensational. It's not as, you know, like woo woo, um, but it works and we are able to really help people. So I'm glad you're in the online space because it's definitely needed.
Michelle (00:08:59) - Do you find it to be draining though, like when there's so much misinformation that you're trying to, like almost like win out over and like compete with?
Toni (00:09:10) - I mean, you know, I'm not going to lie, because of the way I filter my social media, which I encourage clients.
Toni (00:09:16) - And for those of you guys listening to do, um, you know, the, the, um, algorithm is going to show you what you want to see, right? And so because I follow a lot of like, like minded individuals and a lot of great accounts, it's like, I know it's out there, but I don't see it as often. And then when I do see it, I'm like, I can't believe this thing is still. I can't believe people still think this way, I can. I couldn't say it better myself. Yeah.
Michelle (00:09:40) - I can, I thought we were getting better or not.
Toni (00:09:44) - Yeah, it's just wild. So it's like. You know, I, I actually use that every once in a while when I'm feeling a little spicy. I'll use it as fuel and I'll use it for my own content. But I'm not one to like. I think you would get exhausted. I have some colleagues and I love them to death. Shout out to happy, strong, healthy.
Toni (00:10:03) - She's a great account to follow my really good friend Jenna. And like she constantly is like seeing stuff and duetting it and calling them out and giving you the research and all that. I think if I did that on a regular basis, yeah, I would totally get burnt out. Like I don't think I could keep up. She loves that for her. It's like energizing, you know, like I to me I'm like, no, I can't, I can't. Yeah. You know, so I pick and choose my battles.
Michelle (00:10:26) - I'm the same way. It's just there's always going to be such a heated debate about anything nutrition related, which is just like, mind boggling to me. Some of the things that people are willing to die on a hill about, but it's just it's insane. And so, yeah, even though you might be super strong in yourself and in what you believe, it's still it can be pretty draining, you know? So I'm the same way. I'm like, okay, I got to sprinkle in a few kind of more softer things that everybody can relate to and appreciate.
Michelle (00:10:58) - And then I'll throw in another controversial thing. Yeah.
Toni (00:11:02) - Totally. Totally. And it's like people are already confused. So I rather not throw in more things for them to now like that. Almost like even I sometimes get triggered, like when I see something about like, oatmeal is bad for you. Let's use that for an example. That's such a big one, right? It's such a big one. It's so annoying. And then it's like even that, like, triggers me back in the day when I used to do, like, low carb stuff and I'm just like, well, you know, is it bad? It's like, yeah, I mean, no, it's not like, but so that's why I try not to even like expose it to people because it just makes them. It's just like brings up the disordered thoughts. And I rather just like, you know, it's kind of like I'd rather just like, give information that's helpful, you know, and like, I believe in, like focusing on what you can can add in rather than taking out.
Toni (00:11:45) - Like I just think it's a better approach to things. I don't think people need any more fearmongering. Yeah. All.
Michelle (00:11:52) - Yeah. It's definitely more balance. Yeah, it can be draining though for sure. People are crazy.
Toni (00:11:58) - Yeah. That they are.
Michelle (00:12:01) - Okay, so I want to ask you about your book. I'm sure your listeners are probably already familiar about it, but mine aren't. So yeah. Listen, I mean, you wrote a book. I think I saw you were on Ted X, like, yeah, I'm sorry. Okay.
Toni (00:12:15) - Thank you. That actually was before the book. So I'll give you a little backstory. So I'll give you a back back story because it trust me, I promise it makes sense. So there was a moment in my career where I was like getting frustrated, not with the social media stuff, actually, with like people coming to me after they tried everything under the sun. And I'm like, can't they realize that it's basically just like the same diet in a different book, like they did keto, they did Weight Watchers, they did Noom, they did Bumble like they did all these things.
Toni (00:12:47) - And it's like none of them are going to work because they're not designed specifically for you. They're not getting to the root. They're not teaching you mindset stuff, like there's just so many layers to it. And I was getting so frustrated. But then at that time, you know, I realized something. And it was that like I basically had dated five versions of the same guy, just with a different name and a different face, like I was doing the same thing, repeating old patterns. Never learned my lesson, getting involved in relationships that weren't serving me. And it was like even though I had healed my relationship with food and body, there were. I still didn't really heal the relationship within myself in regards to like really setting criteria of what is it that I'm searching for? What's most important to me? I kind of was just like, oh, I have a boyfriend. Check done. I never really like assess the quality of that relationship. And that's what people do with dieting. Um, and weight loss more specifically.
Toni (00:13:34) - It's like it doesn't matter how I lose the weight, I could be miserable, I could whatever, but I lost the weight. So quote unquote, it's successful. Right. Like that's not it might not be long term or sustainable. So that's not really what works for you. So that was the first moment where I realized, oh wow, there's something here. Like we diet like we date. So that's where the Ted talk I was like became the idea for me. Yeah. Because like, people need to hear about that. Ted is for, like, ideas worth spreading. That's the whole purpose behind it. I love public speaking. I'm like, this is it. This is what my Ted talks going to be about. So now as I am preparing for the talk, which, by the way, I skipped over the fact that I got rejected like 25 times. So I just want to be really clear. When you see people's success, it's like all after a lot of effort, just like a whole lot of effort.
Toni (00:14:17) - Yeah. But then I finally I was able to get the talk. I and everyone runs it a little differently. This talk, I was only allowed to speak for eight minutes, and I had a lot to say had I introduced myself. Establish credibility, build trust. Make a point, close all the things. I'm like eight minutes is not a lot of time. We probably already spoke for more than eight minutes right now, right? Like so I'm like, how am I going to fit everything in here? And I'm like, I'm not like, that's it. I'm not. But I have so much more I want to say. And then that's when the book idea was born. Sure. So the book is called Once Upon a Diet. You can get it on Amazon. It's really it's a lot about, especially if you're a millennial, you'll relate a lot. Um, it's like all about my childhood in the beginning. But then I talk about Klein stories, and then I give you real, tangible ways in which you can find, um, a diet that works for you and specifically you.
Toni (00:15:05) - I use the analogy about like, Cinderella's stepsisters, like how they kind of just go around trying to jam their feet into something that clearly isn't a good fit for them. And I try to teach you to be more like Goldilocks. It's like a cute little reference. I mean, whatever, but it's really great. It's it's great. Yeah, but it's great content. It's a quick, easy read. The feedback has been incredible. Um, it's on Amazon. And then we also have an I have an audio, which I did the audio as well. Um, and there's also a Kindle e-book version.
Michelle (00:15:33) - I love that.
Toni (00:15:34) - So that is about my book.
Michelle (00:15:35) - So did you was like, you're almost like call to action then in your Ted speech, like, go get the book to see the like, did you have to finish that book or have it mostly done before this? No.
Toni (00:15:46) - No, my book came out. So the talk was, um, February 2020, which we all know what happened right after that.
Michelle (00:15:55) - Great timing. It really slipped in there at a good time.
Toni (00:15:58) - I really did. I actually, I'll never forget I was at so I did it at the University of Wisconsin. Okay. And I was at the, in the hotel like waiting to like, you know, get ready. Like I was like chilling. I got there like earlier that day I was gonna go up, but I was like, I think I was having breakfast in like little weight room area. And I'm looking at the TVs and like, people are getting, like thrown out of their homes in China. Like it was like where, like things were starting to get really bad, like. And it was like, this isn't good, you know, and.
Michelle (00:16:27) - National at that point. Right. I hadn't quite.
Toni (00:16:29) - Yeah. It hadn't come to a us. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was like oh crap. So then I yeah. So I got in. Right, right then um, and then at that point my book was like almost done.
Toni (00:16:38) - But then Covid happened. So it took me about a year or more to before it actually came out. Yeah.
Michelle (00:16:44) - Writing was so frustrating.
Toni (00:16:46) - Oh yeah. No, it's okay though. It's okay. I believe in, you know, the time is when it was meant to be, but yeah, totally. I totally should have put it out early. I probably could have, but I like, let you know we get in our own way sometimes. Yeah. Well, and you.
Michelle (00:17:00) - Probably care about the quality of the work too.
Toni (00:17:02) - Yeah, I definitely wanted it to be to be good. But there's I mean, there's a lot to be say, it's just be said about writing a book or doing something new. I've never written a book before. So anytime you do something new, sometimes that like perfectionistic qualities. And that's where I think people struggle with their relationship with food and all that is like they think they need to be perfect. And that's what I kept getting stuck on. And then rather than just, you know, loving the process and just writing, just to write, because I actually enjoy writing, it was like, now it was like a chore.
Toni (00:17:29) - And I was like, oh, I have to write like it was, you know? Yeah. And it definitely prolonged the process. So I, I could do a whole podcast on the lessons I've learned from writing a book. But you're sure I want to do that? Yeah, but a different day. A different day. Yeah. Um, but I want my listeners to hear more about you. I feel like you do a really great job. Um, with, like, even with your messaging on social media. Actually, I would love for you to share your link. I know we'll have it in the show notes, but I would love for you to share where people can find you on social media. But kind of like where like why did you decide to hone in on, like, the emotional eating, binge eating model and like, what strategies have you started implementing with clients that you really have seen, like, really take effect? Because I know everybody has different methods and modes and models, and I'm just curious, what's been working for you and your clients?
Michelle (00:18:19) - Yeah, yeah, thanks for asking.
Michelle (00:18:21) - So social media, pretty much everything is under the tag or username. Yates nutrition last name plus nutrition. Super original. Um, but easy to remember. So yeah. So yeah, you can find me. I'm mostly on Instagram. I dabble in TikTok, but to be honest, I don't really like TikTok. It's like brutal over there.
Toni (00:18:41) - Well, I like to watch TikTok. I can get stuck on there for hours. I have to put a limit on it. Um, but creating content, I'm like with it.
Michelle (00:18:51) - Do people are savages? I almost wonder if it's because of the shorter like character limit on the comments, but it's like 90% negative. So I yeah, that's like interesting for my mental health. So anyway, I dabble. So there's a few things over there, but if they're over there, they're also on my Instagram, so you might as well just follow me on Instagram. And then yeah, so my I really enjoy working with binge eating and emotional overeating, mostly because I feel like it's I.
Toni (00:19:17) - Have to wait. I'm sorry. I have to pause you for a minute. Sure. I absolutely love and I don't think I've ever called it that. But you're right, there's a really big difference between emotional eating and emotional overeating. Yeah, and I think that is just can we just, like, take a pause there for a minute and just have you explain? Because that just was like, oh yeah. Because I'm always I always feel like my first explanation, it's like, yeah, it's okay. Emotionally. We always emotionally and emotionally eating is the word I like. Yeah. I would love for you to elaborate on that.
Michelle (00:19:47) - Yeah. And I can't take the credit for I know I've seen other creators say that. And so I also have that moment of like that helps really paint the picture I want to paint of what's really going on, instead of just saying emotional eating because it's so normal to emotionally even just like, yeah, eating cake at your wedding is like, you could argue that's emotional eating, right? Because it's like a sense of happiness and joy and celebration.
Michelle (00:20:09) - And so I just felt like and I do still say emotional eating sometimes, just because that's how the general public refers to it. So I feel like maybe they don't identify if I say overeating, but at the same time, I do like to clarify that I'm not talking about just emotional eating in general as being something you need to fix because you don't. You're fine. If you like to have a piece of chocolate at night, you're fine. If you had a hard day and you want some ice cream, but it's when it's like that constant, uh, reaction to emotions and when it's like leading you into a banger. If you get super uncomfortable every time you end up, uh, going down that road like it, I think, you know, if it's being overdone or not. And so that's why I like to say overeating, because that's usually where women really need help is if it's like not quite a binge, but it's enough where you're like, I know this isn't actually healthy for me, you know? And I maybe need to and it's.
Michelle (00:21:06) - Sometimes with emotional overeating, it's actually making it harder for you to deal with your emotions because you're not getting to the root issues. And sometimes emotional eating is literally what's going to make you feel better that day, but not every time. So I think if it's always what we choose to cope with emotions, we're actually doing ourselves a disservice and not really dealing with emotions properly sometimes. So yeah, that's a little bit of an explanation on that.
Toni (00:21:32) - Absolutely, absolutely. And I think it just ties back to what you were describing earlier, which I wanted to kind of speak on as well, which is like sometimes if it's not like a specific diagnosis or it's not super clear or like super bad quote unquote, or like binge eating explicitly, we might think to ourselves like, oh, I don't need help, but I think by you even describing it as that you can help people, I'm sure can definitely find themselves in that description and realize, oh, you know what? Maybe I do need to bring a little bit of attention to this, and maybe I do need some healing.
Michelle (00:22:02) - Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I mean, you can play that game all the time about like, well, I'm not I.
Toni (00:22:08) - Think if you're struggling about needing to get help. Yeah. You gotta I mean it's time. The worst thing that can happen is like you meet with someone and you have like, a couple sessions and they're like, actually, you're okay. Like, you're fine, but, like, rarely will that happen. Yeah, because I think we all just like living in the world, especially as women. I'm not I know men go through it too, but, um, women have been targeted for many, many, many, many, many more years. Um, like, we're gonna you're gonna have some sort of something that you can work on with a professional, and it doesn't make you weak, and it doesn't make you like that. You're someone else can use it. Like, no, take full advantage of it, because the better you are and the more you feel good.
Toni (00:22:50) - And within your skin and within your body, the more you can help other people. And that's why we do what we do is like we just want people to be happy.
Michelle (00:22:57) - Yeah, the more impact you can have, and I think it's actually a sign of strength. If you can say and admit I have weaknesses and this is something I'm struggling with, you know, because that's way harder than, yeah, pretending like everything's okay and pushing it under the rug and, you know, like nobody ever made an impact from being perfect all the time. They made an impact from being vulnerable about what they're going through and then bringing people into what they learned from that, you know? Yeah. And maybe that's extreme. Maybe there are people that made an impact for me. Perfect. I mean, Jesus, I guess I know I yeah.
Toni (00:23:33) - That's that's that is very true. That is very true. Generally everybody loves the good hero's journey like a hero's journey is what's more, you know, like. I mean, yeah, it's more inspiring.
Toni (00:23:48) - I mean, it's just like. And if it's handed to you on a silver platter, like, is that really impressive or like, is it like the people that put in the work and grind it and did things regardless of the, you know, with their was being held against them, you know.
Michelle (00:24:05) - Yeah, yeah. Have you ever had a feeling that there was a reason you were overeating, but you just weren't sure what it was? And if you could figure that out, then maybe you'd be able to finally stop. Maybe you find yourself eating secretly when no one else is around, or being really disciplined during the week and doing all the right things only for the weekend to be a free for all. Maybe you find yourself going through a drive through, getting way more food than you need for yourself, and eating it all before you get home so that you can hide the evidence. I want you to know that you're not alone and there's a way to overcome this. But in order to overcome it, we do need to know why it's happening in the first place.
Michelle (00:24:43) - I put together a free two minute quiz so that you can get professional insight and find out what's going on. Not only that, I'll also give you my recommendations on next steps for you to take so that you can finally conquer overeating once and for all. Visit Yates nutrition.com/quiz or the show notes and I'll put the link in there as well. Let's get back to the episode.
Michelle (00:25:03) - Yeah. And I think so that kind of ties into a little bit of why I really enjoy working with or I guess like focusing my messaging mostly around binge eating and emotional overeating. I still work with the individuals who don't necessarily have that issue, but they are, you know, in that diet cycle, most of the time, they're also having a, uh, rebound, overeating phase. So but I really love focusing my messaging on binge eating in particular because we do. Have so much shame around it. I mean, if you look at the binge eating disorder diagnosis, like one of the criteria is literally having a huge sense of shame around it and distress.
Michelle (00:25:44) - So just by like by proxy, most people aren't talking about this. Most people aren't open to getting help on it because they don't want to admit it's a struggle. It's super shameful and they feel a lot of guilt about it. So once I kind of started shifting more into that, I found that it was just resonating a little bit more with my people because they needed to have an opportunity to talk about it, and they needed to feel safe to talk about it. And, you know, nine out of ten times when I talk to somebody who's struggling with something like that, they're it's like their first time talking about it, or they've tried to bring it up with family or friends and felt. Maybe just like shut down in some way or, you know, people are like, well, just don't eat then. And it's like.
Toni (00:26:33) - Yeah, people don't understand. People don't understand binge eating, and they really don't understand binge eating it when oh, God. Like, I guess it depends on the family actually.
Toni (00:26:44) - So I actually I'm going to step take a step back. But depending on your family dynamic, some people if you for example, are the thinner body, have a thinner body. In a larger family, people won't even that often, won't even sympathize with you if you're if you express you're struggling with binge eating because they're almost like you're lucky, they think of that person as quote unquote lucky because they can still binge and not gain, quote unquote, gain a pound or whatever their perception of that is. And then on the flip side, if you have someone who's in a larger body and they struggle with binge eating, people will say stuff like that, like, just stop eating like you don't need it. You quote unquote. You don't need it. Right? So I do want to just for our listeners, help people to understand that any body, literally physical body of any shape, size, gender, cultural background, socioeconomic background, anybody can struggle with binge eating disorder. And every single one of them find it equally as hard to recover without their proper skills and tools.
Toni (00:27:49) - It has nothing to do with what they look like. Yeah, and I think even that sometimes you once you finally get through the shame and you're willing to speak about it and talk about it, you have to also be mindful of who you're speaking to and who you're talking to, because there are a lot of people that will just not understand it. Mm. Yeah. And that sucks because then it's like you just got the courage to speak up. So I just the reason why I'm sharing that is not to discourage you, but it's just to like, almost like to set you up. So do you realize that there's going to be steps to this? Like the first step is acknowledging that you have a problem. The second step is reaching out for help. The third step might be reaching out for help again, because the first person you reached out to was not maybe the best, the most appropriate person to speak to. But it's now, you know, better, right?
Michelle (00:28:39) - Yeah. And you bring up a really good point about how people can let you down when you do speak about it and whether it's family or even professionals, too.
Michelle (00:28:46) - And I think one of the biggest mistakes that I see, and I don't even know that I want to call it a mistake because they did reach out for help, which is great. But one of the biggest, let's say, bummers that I see is when people reach out to somebody who doesn't actually have the skills, knowledge, training and tools for.
Toni (00:29:04) - This type of issue, and then they make it worse. No, I mean, we have to talk about that because that's the problem, guys, nutrition coaches. And listen, there might be some ones out there. They are not qualified to handle eating disorders and disordered eating. They do not have the background. They do not have the education. A personal trainer is not the person to help you with your eating disorder. Yeah, they're not even some therapist or don't have they're not specific. They don't specifically work with eating disordered or disordered eating. Yeah. You doctors? No, definitely not your doctor. I love doctors, but they're not for nutrition.
Toni (00:29:47) - And it's like if you're going to the wrong resource, you're going to just stay stuck and stay behind. Yeah, right. So make sure that you align with what the person's speaking about and and make sure you really realize, like if they're telling you they're giving you like a handout or a bunch a list of rules or, you know, not listening to you, um, if it seems very rigid and specific and not customized and flexible, those are red flags or the red flags, and they're probably not going to be the person that's going to get you the results you're looking for.
Michelle (00:30:25) - And I say a lot of harm from dietitians to I mean, I don't know about you, Toni, but my education did not. I had one class on eating disorders, and it was an extracurricular, not an actual what do you call that? Uh, elective. And so it was optional and of course, elected to do that because I was interested in it. But but I think it's important for the listeners to know that a dietitian automatically, or I should say, does not automatically have the correct training for handling a situation that's disordered eating or eating disorders.
Michelle (00:30:56) - They have to then do more education and training in it. So that's really important to ask a professional that you're considering working with is like, hey, what's your experience with this? Because if they're not experienced in it, they can actually make things worse. And I've honestly heard from a lot of people who have seen dietitians before, and I wish so badly that I could just be like, yes, every dietitian is awesome. That credential right there is going to be a solid yes for me, but it's not. Because there it's just like somebody gets a PhD, they don't get a PhD in everything. They get it in something specific. Right? So you go to them for that specific thing. It's really similar with dietitians. They get the general knowledge, but then they do go on to specialize in certain areas. And so it's important that you find somebody who's understanding of those situations and can walk with you in a compassionate way, because, damn, I've seen some bad things come from people going to see dietitians that just made it all about 1200 calorie diets or whatever.
Michelle (00:32:00) - It's like, oh man, you know better than that, but I guess not.
Toni (00:32:04) - Oh, God. Oh, God. All right. Well, so let's talk. Let's give people some like, um, strategies or maybe like a sneak peek on the inside. So what are some of the things that you've been working on with clients that you notice are, like, most effective for helping people heal from binging or emotional overeating?
Michelle (00:32:19) - That honestly, the biggest thing, and I'm sure you'll agree with this is just mindset. It's insane how much that matters. And and I think that's I mean, you want to talk about getting to the root issues. That's one of the biggest things is like your thoughts do create your patterns and behaviors. And if you don't. Notice that you're going to start to notice it now, right? Like you're you're whatever is going on in your brain is pretty consistent with what ends up happening. So that's like one of the biggest things really, is just helping my clients identify what kind of thought patterns, what kind of belief systems are in place that are setting them up for failure.
Michelle (00:33:00) - And that's why we see self-sabotage happening left and right. These things don't work long term, is because there's something underlying there that's causing that to happen. And it's not always just one thing. It's it's usually multiple things. But that is just so big. You know, I'm sure you've seen that too with your clients, Toni.
Toni (00:33:20) - Oh yeah. No. Mindset is everything. Mindset is everything. I wish that it was something that we can help people with, like in a podcast episode, but I have to like it is something that you have to almost like, challenge your thoughts on an ongoing basis. Um, and eventually you will just view food differently, think of your body differently. But yeah, it definitely takes time. Yeah.
Michelle (00:33:45) - I was just gonna say something that I was telling my clients or started telling my clients recently that it was really resonating with them, is that you can always choose your second thought. You can't choose the first one, though. You can't choose that automatic thought, because that's hard wired in there.
Michelle (00:34:01) - I don't want to say hard wired. It is, you know, I mean, you've got neuroplasticity in your brain. It can change, but there is a connection there in your neurochemistry that's causing that automatic thought. So you can't necessarily choose it, but you can follow it up with whatever you want so you can challenge it. You can even refute it. You can deny it. You can do whatever you need to in order to not let that thought run your life. And that's like, I feel like we're most of the work is with my clients. Is those second thoughts like having a ton of ammunition there and then eventually it replaces the first one because we've done it enough that it becomes that connection becomes stronger than the older one. Yeah. So then those are the automatic thoughts. And so I think it's important for people to know that it is a long game. It's not a quick fix. Just like you know 75 hard or it's not going to be 75 days and you're good right. Or you're done and you never have to try again.
Michelle (00:34:53) - It's it truly is a long game. And that's also why it's sustainable, though, is because you're doing things that stick with you. Like the more you practice, the more permanent it becomes.
Toni (00:35:04) - Yeah, I love that. I always say you can't choose your thoughts, but you can choose how you respond to them, which is basically what you're saying. Yeah, like, I love that. It's so true. Like I think people I think the big misconception is that like once you heal your relationship with food and body, you never think of things like, like for example, if you're having a bad body image day in the past, like if I was having a bad body image day, that means like I'm changing the everything that I eat every day that I work out like, you know, everything's going to be quote unquote perfect here on out. Like, that's it, I'm done. I got I can't believe I let myself go. Blah blah blah. Like, now I understand that I'm having a bad body image day.
Toni (00:35:42) - Actually, one of the things I do is first just acknowledge like, you know, oh, wow. It's I'm having a day, not a bad body. I'm having a day because chances are there's something else that's bothering me and stressing me out. Sometimes it can be related to the way you treated your body. For example, if you did come, you know, have a binge you might associate, maybe not exercising or overeating as quote unquote bad. So now you perceive yourself as like extra large, but really nothing changed. You didn't gain £20 overnight, but your brain is like convincing you that because you feel heavy, you feel unwell, right? Maybe you're super stressed out. Maybe you just don't. Maybe you're getting sick. Like maybe you just don't feel like you feel tired or whatever it is. And like often the a lot of sometimes too, like we our feelings aren't always the most tangible, but our body is. And a lot of times you just want a place to put the blame.
Toni (00:36:34) - We want a place to like, take control. And so a lot of times, if we're feeling very scattered or out of control, we use our bodies as a thing to control because we think that's going to fix everything. But really it just makes things, you know, blow up in our faces and it just makes things a hundred times worse. As you start to heal, you start to actually play the end of the movie, play the end of the story and help yourself realize that actually, okay, I'm triggered right now. I don't like what I see in the mirror. However, I also know that if I skip breakfast or go on this fad diet or try to exercise, you know, twice a day or whatever, like, I'm going to get sick again, I'm gonna binge again. I'm gonna, um, you know, bounce back like, gain all my weight back again or whatever it is that that happens when you really, like, think it through. Now you're able to recognize, okay.
Toni (00:37:22) - That's it. That's accepted. I'm having a bad day. Whatever. Like, how can I take care of myself? Maybe I need to take a nap. Maybe I need to drink some water. Maybe I need to go for a walk around the block. Maybe it's not. Maybe I have, I maybe I actually do need to eat, even though my brain is telling me I don't. Maybe I need it. Maybe I need a snack. Right? Like, whatever it is. Um, you have the power to actually change it. But if you allow yourself to follow the old thoughts and the old patterns, you're going to stay stuck in that cycle.
Michelle (00:37:51) - Yeah, absolutely. And I think you hit on a really good point there that probably not a lot of people know. And this is something I mean you asked me earlier like what's something that's coming up a lot with my clients. And it's this concept of how when you're feeling super crummy in your body, you're having a bad body image.
Michelle (00:38:07) - Do you blame yourself for looking the way you do? You hate yourself. You got all this negative responses in your head of what you see in the mirror. A lot of times there's something completely different going on there. It's like you feel out of control or you feel like you gaining weight equals even like speaking to your story a little bit. Like maybe that means you're not going to be worthy of love, right? It's not necessarily about like what your body looks like. It's what that means for you and what that's like. Going the I guess, the results that might come from not having the perfect body that you want. Um, and yeah, like it's so interesting. I still, I mean, I think maybe a misconception that people have is that. Women in positions like us, where we help others with this have it all together and we never have a bad body image day. And we're, you know, the most body positive warriors of all time. But honestly, like, I still have my days too.
Michelle (00:39:04) - And there's like at this point, the nice thing about when you do this deep work is that you're pretty quick to identify what's really going on and, and give yourself like grace for that and even like what you were saying, you can just acknowledge, like, man, I'm having a day. I'm feeling like undervalued and something totally separate. So it's making it really easy for me to blame my body right now and go down that road. So that sucks that I'm feeling that way, you know, and give yourself more grace for that and also know it's gonna pass. Yeah. It's just a feeling. Yeah, it will pass. Might take a while, but it will.
Toni (00:39:38) - Yeah. Totally totally. It's very similar to like. And I'm not, you know, um, I can't help people with their. I'm not certified to help people with, like, their mental health. But from personal experience, I can like, I can just share that like, there's some days when, you know, we wake up and we're maybe more anxious or maybe more sad, or maybe more happy or joyful or whatever it is.
Toni (00:39:59) - And, you know, um, like growing up, I was always like a very happy go lucky kid. And I almost wake. I would, like, afraid of having a bad day, like having a sad day, because that somehow meant, like, I was falling apart or whatever it is. And it's like, no, like emotions go up and down and all around like, it's okay. Like, you know, so like, you're not always going to love what you see every day. I think the main goal too, is like, what a lot of times I work with clients is like, I think so many people try to change their body from a place of hate. And it's like if you go from if you hate your body like that, hate is a strong word. It was it is going to be a really vicious cycle, like one that you cannot come out of. So we need to first make our bodies neutral. And just like understand that you have a body, you only get one.
Toni (00:40:49) - It's a beautiful thing. It's actually fascinating and all the ways in which it does and functions and tries to keep you and keeping you alive at this moment. The one thing I always say on a podcast is like, if you can hear this, you know, you're you're doing all right. You can hear, you have hearing that's beautiful, right? Like that. Not everybody has that. Right. So there's you know, it's important to appreciate how our body works for us and what it does for us. And then when you come at it from a place of gratitude, think about when you care about someone or you care about something. You treat it kindly. You treat it nicely. You don't treat it aggressively like a savage. Treat it like a normal. Like you know, like you treat it with kindness, right?
Michelle (00:41:33) - Even like how most people.
Toni (00:41:34) - Treat when it's hungry, like most people.
Michelle (00:41:37) - Are so kind to their pets and then they're so horrible to themselves.
Toni (00:41:42) - Yeah and it's like sad.
Michelle (00:41:43) - Yeah. And I was there. I was that person, you know, I totally did that. So no judgment.
Toni (00:41:48) - Yeah.
Michelle (00:41:49) - But it's a little I was, uh, when we were getting ready for this podcast, I was thinking about like, oh, man, I wonder what are some of the comparisons that we can make between dieting and then a really toxic relationship with, like, an ex, you know? Because, I mean, to the point of your book, like, dieting is like dating and and also I think dieting is like having an abusive relationship with an individual. And I don't know, that might be a point that you make in your book too. I'm not sure. But yeah, I was like thinking about so here's my question for you, and you can take some time to think on it. When you were dieting and when you were going through that, what do you think was similar to like having an abusive relationship with your ex? Um, and here's my example.
Michelle (00:42:35) - I feel like I was so focused on getting as thin as possible, and it wasn't because anybody told me I needed to be, but that's so similar. Like me forcing myself to look a certain way that's so similar to like, having a toxic relationship with somebody who's, like, obsessed with you looking like Pamela Anderson or whatever, and is always telling you about how fat you are or whatever and how you need to lose weight. Like I was doing that to myself. I was my own toxic relationship. Yeah. So I'm curious if you have an answer to that.
Toni (00:43:08) - Yeah. Oh my God, there's just so many things. So here's I actually in my book, there's an I think I put the there's a chart in there and it's kind of like an association of like how to know if like your diet is working for you versus not. Right. Like and they're very similar. So for example, can you take this person or this diet outside of your bedroom? Okay. Are you only successful when you eat out of Tupperware container and never leave your couch? And or is the relationship only successful when it's just the two of you? But they don't have to interact with the world and they don't have to like, you know, get along with your family and your friends and like, you know all the things, right? That's really, you know, so it doesn't even have to be like toxic.
Toni (00:43:55) - Toxic. Like obviously we know like abusive like. No. Absolutely not. Like there's definitely I've been in a pretty abusive relationship. So it's crazy what we, what we do tolerate. Um, but it doesn't even have to be, like, terrible for it to just be not, like, a good fit for you. Yeah. You know, so I think it's in chapter eight, but it's a really quick read. I probably like skim through it right now, but I don't want to take too much time. Um, but yeah, it's basically it goes like back and forth with the charts of that. So yeah. So there's, there's a, there's many reasons in which we die like we date. I mean, even just like this whole idea of, like we do all the hard work in the beginning, like the honeymoon phase, right? When things are easy and then like the honeymoon phase fades and we stop doing the work that we once did to get those results, and then we wonder why things fall apart.
Toni (00:44:46) - Yeah, it's because whatever you put in, you're going to get out. And if you're only putting things and you're only trying in the beginning, like if the person you're dating is only a nice lady or a gentleman in the early phases and then starts treating you like crap, well, they're still not long term and sustainable, like we could all be on our quote unquote best behavior in the beginning. But like the question is, is like, is this something you can continue to do long term? And is this person someone who is the same person they were, you know, back, you know, back then maybe not. You know, not not everything is always going to be rainbows and butterflies. But like, are there still some characteristics that you can see yourself, you know, committing to long term. Yeah.
Michelle (00:45:23) - Yeah, absolutely. Even just thinking about like again that. Sustainability piece. When somebody is starting a diet, it's probably similar to what we should be thinking about when we're starting a relationship, which is like, hey, how easy does this fit into your life? You know how easy it does this person fit into your life? Are they kind of like what you mentioned earlier? Can you not bring them around other people because they're like pretty rude?
Toni (00:45:46) - Or do you have to like, do you have to like, does it play into like your values or your moral compass? Like, do they does it like, for example, like if a diet is telling you that you have to have dairy, but let's say you are genuinely allergic to dairy, like, yeah, then it's not going to be it's not going to be a good fit for you.
Toni (00:46:09) - But they're like, no, the only way you can lose weight is if you include dairy. So that's it. That's like basically like a, like someone you're dating that it's like, well, unless you come to church with me, we can't be in a relationship. But maybe that's not a value that you support or vice versa. Maybe you're someone who usually goes to church every Sunday and now this person's like, nah, don't go to church. It's not that important. You don't need it. And you start to listen to that. It's pulling you from your values. That's not that's not somebody that you want to be with long term. So it really you know, there's a saying very common in nutrition which is be committed to the plan inflexible flexible and the approach. And it's very similar in relationships. Like you have to be committed to one another, but then you're going to have to be flexible in what you do that and make not sacrifices, but compromises. And a lot of people, I think, get those words confused.
Toni (00:46:54) - They think that in order to be successful, they have to make a ton of sacrifices. But really it's more about compromises like you are going to have to. You are working with somebody else's schedule, like you are trying to develop new habits, right? Like you, you are changing your lifestyle in a way that's not what you're used to. So there are going to be some compromises, like you might not be able to, you know, to binge watch Netflix until midnight. If you want to get up and get your workout in in the morning because your workouts are important to you like. But that also doesn't mean that you have to sacrifice quality time with family and friends, and wake up at 3 a.m. to do your workout. Like, no, like, let's be let's be serious about, you know, what is realistic for you in, in your lifestyle. Um, and go from there.
Michelle (00:47:35) - Yeah, I love that. I think that would solve so many issues for people if they just thought about before ever starting something new.
Michelle (00:47:41) - And I'm guessing by the time this episode comes out, it's probably going to be around that New Year season where people maybe are considering or just started something new. And I think just as kind of like a charge or a call to action here for anybody listening to this, just think about like, if that thing that you're starting and it's totally cool if you want to start something new, but just think about if it really does align with your values. Are you still able to spend quality time with your family when they want to go out to ice cream, or do you have to stay home from that? Or do you have to go but experience a ton of debilitating thoughts and guilts in the middle, or guilt in the middle of it, which takes away from that experience? Are you able to, like, have a spontaneous pizza date with your loved one? Are you able to do like the things that you're that you look back on and you're like, man, that was such a good memory or that was such a fun time.
Michelle (00:48:30) - Are you still able to do those things with the new plan that you're trying, or diet, whatever it is that you're trying to implement? Um, I think I feel like if people thought about that beforehand, that probably solves so many issues. I just think about people who do like Weight Watchers, and then they feel like by 10 a.m., they've already used so much of their allowance, and they can barely the rest of the day, and they can't go to a social event because of it. And it's just man.
Toni (00:48:57) - Yeah, well, a lot of people are basically like their life revolves around how they eat, when they eat, and what their workouts look like, versus learning how to eat and eating regularly and moving their body in ways that feels good to them. So then and then living their life as like is like the more important focal point. Um, right. It's like we have to really flip the script because it's true. Like when someone's quote unquote dieting or doing, it's like something it's like always in the back of their head, even when they're not doing it.
Toni (00:49:30) - It's something they're always thinking about. But once you heal and once you actually realize, like, oh, how did you imagine? I don't think people can even people can't even fathom when we talk about, like, food freedom, they can't even fathom the idea of like, having so much more headspace and so much more energy and like to not worry about and stress about what to eat and when to eat and how much to eat and when you're doing your workout. Like those are just things that are just natural things that you've learned to incorporate in a way that works for you. And now you have the headspace and energy to live life and do fun things. And it doesn't need to revolve around when you're eating and how much you're eating and all all those things that like, that's just a natural part of life.
Michelle (00:50:14) - Yes, that makes me think of a conversation I had with a client recently, which maybe to just wrap things up here and drive home the point of how worth it it is to work on your relationship with food and how much life it gives you back.
Michelle (00:50:27) - I was talking with her and she was somebody who struggled with binge eating. I think she was bingeing every day for like two months straight. When she talked to me, it was like the worst it ever gotten. And she felt super hopeless and she felt like she couldn't look herself in the eye in the mirror. And, I mean, she was in a really dark place. It was really sad. And she, you know, took a leap of faith, decided to get some help, even though there's always going to be that fear, right, of like, what if this doesn't work? What if it's like everything else? But she didn't give up and she was like, no, this sounds different. This sounds really balanced. And, um, so. The beautiful thing about her story is that I remember it was like, I think it was only like two months after we were working together, she went to the beach with her son. She has a 14 year old son. She's single mom and her son is obviously her worlds.
Michelle (00:51:19) - Right. And that was a big reason that she started working with me, because she was, you know, wanted to be a good example for him and make sure she was even just healthy for him and everything. And she went to the beach with him and she, um, came back from it and shared with me like, man, I was wearing a swimsuit and I. Enjoyed the day with my son. We even had like some snacks. I made the best memories. He had a great time and before I would have been so self-conscious about myself and my body and been obsessing over the food that I should eat versus shouldn't eat versus honey. Like, you know, the mental gymnastics you have about food. And I was just like, man, that is such a good picture of why this work is important. It's not just so that you can have like a healthy eating pattern and you can be healthy, which is important, right? But it's so you can get your life back and you can start making those memories.
Michelle (00:52:17) - And, and also like having an impact on the people around you, whether it's your kids or not. But in that situation, like her son had the best day with his mom.
Toni (00:52:26) - Yeah, they can and they can feel it. When you don't feel good, they can feel it when you're not in like, you know, focused or my, you know, being in present with them. They they know. Yeah. So so that's awesome. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah.
Michelle (00:52:40) - So I think that's like an important thing for, for anybody listening who's still struggling with feeling like they need to continue to diet or really like hone in on the weight loss idea of that, bringing them happiness and whatever. And you know, all the power to you, whatever you choose to do. But just think about like is what you want to do going forward going to bring value to your life or is it going to be taking like time and memories away? Yeah, yeah, that's like the most valuable thing, right?
Toni (00:53:11) - Yeah I love it.
Toni (00:53:13) - Awesome. Oh my gosh, it's been so good. I feel like we have to do this again.
Michelle (00:53:17) - Yes. I know you're so easy to talk to. I feel like we're cut from the same cloth for sure.
Toni (00:53:21) - Yeah, I love it. It's amazing.
Michelle (00:53:24) - Thanks for your time Toni.
Toni (00:53:24) - No thank you. You mentioned. So we're just recap for my listeners. Where can people find you?
Michelle (00:53:30) - Yeah, at Yates Nutrition is my my handle or username or tag, whatever you want to call it. And that's pretty much on any social platform. But I'm usually hanging out on Instagram. You'll get to know me pretty well over there. And then, um, if you're listening to this on Toni's show, I have my own show called Nourished and Free, which you can find anywhere you listen to your podcasts. If you forget the name of it, you can just search my name, Michelle Yates, and it should pop up.
Toni (00:53:54) - I'll put it in the show notes for mine. That's perfect.
Michelle (00:53:57) - Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Michelle (00:53:58) - And you can go to my website to Yates nutrition.com to see some resources there. So yeah. And then for my listeners how can they find you Toni.
Toni (00:54:05) - I'm using um they can find me on Instagram as well. I do have TikTok but I'm heavier on Instagram. Um at tips underscore with underscore Toni with an I. I'm not gonna lie. I'm I'm on TikTok a lot.
Toni (00:54:18) - Know, taking in the content, laughing my little booty off with all the lettuce and or eyeing myself with all the cats and dog videos.
Michelle (00:54:26) - Yes, it's algorithm knows what I want to see. Oh my God, it's so funny. So I'm like.
Toni (00:54:32) - I send my I send me and my cousin just like I mean people. I feel like people can relate to this. Like an ongoing thread. Like I'll check my TikTok. Like I'll check tonight, I'll check my TikTok. I'll have ten videos from her. And then I sent her, like last night. I sent her ten videos, like.
Michelle (00:54:48) - It's like an ongoing thread.
Toni (00:54:49) - It's so good.
Michelle (00:54:50) - That's like, that's.
Michelle (00:54:51) - How my brother and I are. We like, honestly don't really talk that much, but we send each other so many like memes. And videos and it's just like that connection, like, you know, I love you. You know, we get each other.
Toni (00:55:05) - So, yeah. So, um, Instagram at tips underscore uh, tips with Toni tips underscore Um, my website tips of Toni. Com um on my website, you can go directly to Amazon to get the book Once Upon a Diet on Amazon. Or if you go to my website, there's a little pop up that comes up.
Toni (00:55:26) - Yeah, that's really it.
Michelle (00:55:30) -Great. People are always. Looking for more books and and resources, so that's awesome. I'll put a link for that as well in the show notes. And um. I wish you all the best to you.
Toni (00:55:40) - Oh my god. Same to you. I was so great chatting with you.
Michelle (00:55:45) - Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Thanks for your time.
Toni (00:55:46) - Bye, guys.