Mapping Success: An Intro to Map Trekking

In this episode of the Do Hard Things Podcast, we provide an overview the demanding sport of Rogaining, aka Map Trekking, 

Discover how the principles of Rogaining—strategic planning, teamwork, and adaptation—parallel the essential life skills of punctuality, presence, service, preparedness, competence, and self-reliance. 

We unpack the mantra that has guided Jay through his distinguished military and personal life: Dominating the Basics. Learn the military acronym B.A.S.I.C.S. to help you dominate life. 

It's not just about understanding the core elements but mastering them to command your path to success. Whether you're navigating through uncharted territories or seeking to elevate your life, this episode offers a roadmap to mastering the basics in both movement and mindset, demonstrating that the foundation of achieving greatness lies in the simplicity of fundamental practices. Get ready to learn how to navigate your way through life's challenges with the precision of a Rogainer and the discipline of a leader who dominates the basics.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:44

All right, welcome back everybody to another episode of the Do Our Things podcast. I'm your host, jt running coach, certified high performance mindset coach, founder of the Do Our Things Nation In. Our mission here is to empower you to upgrade your health, wealth, relationships through mindset and movement. Today we're going to be talking about mapping success. I'm going to give you an intro to the sport of row gaining. I know, I know I've got hair a lot. I tell people I'm doing a row gain, like what? You don't have hair. What is this like? A row gain convention? It's called row gaining and it's a sport of map trekking. So I just want to kind of give you an overview of it because if you're looking, if you're a runner and you're looking for something a little bit new, a little bit different, I'm going to give you an overview of this very unique sport. I'm also going to talk to you about a mantra from the mindset segment called dominate the basics. So how we've broken down this Monday morning podcast is mindset, movement, I'm sorry, movement, mindset. And then we do our weekly winter.

Speaker 1 1:40

Unfortunately, angie is not here this morning. She has lost her power. She thinks it might be due to some squirrel or something like that and so unfortunately she's not going to make it here this morning. And first world problems, right, you know, not having power is an incredible inconvenience. I've been dealing with not having internet this week. They've been doing updates in my neighborhood, in my other house in Waynesville, so I'm back here in Columbia and but I hadn't had internet all week and it's been such an inconvenience and I found myself getting frustrated with it. But then I just realized that you know what, it's just an inconvenience and we worked around it.

Speaker 1 2:16

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Speaker 1 3:04

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Speaker 1 3:38

So let's talk about what I did over the weekend, which was a row gain and no, it wasn't a hair loss. Convention Row gaining is a sport known as map trekking and it's the sport of long distance navigation, and I did this up at the lake of the Ozark it was called Tame the Dragon with my friend, larry Lazo, who's we're training for Expedition Ozark in in April. And you know, part of adventure racing is being able to navigate with a topographic map and compass, and that is a that that really transforms this. That is a technical component that I really, really love, because it's not just about who is the fastest. There's strategy involved and there's it's another unique skill. This particular row gain was an eight hour. So it's basically you have these controls that you have to find. Someone will go out and they'll in place these control points. They're like a white and orange balloon looking thing and they just kind of hang them at random and they have a little device hanging off of it and you have like this passport and you basically clip your. You know, when you get there, you have a certain number and you, you clip it and that's how they kind of score.

Speaker 1 4:58

The event, the particular that tamed the dragon, was up near Lake of the Ozark State Park and there were 65 points possible and they're spread out in a very wide area. Like I'm talking like the amount for this particular event. There was no cycling, it was all just on foot. But Larry and I we ended up, you know, just of the 10 points that we looked for, out of the 65 that were available, we covered 21 miles. So that gives you kind of the scope of the size of the of the area. I think if you were to probably do straight line distance and you cleared all of the points and only one team was able to do that and they're incredibly fast, like we're talking world class team could do it. You know, they're probably covering 40, 50 miles total, that's if they don't make any mistakes in a straight line distance. So it's an incredibly demanding sport and if you're a trail runner or a you know marathon runner or in your endurance sports, I would highly encourage you to go check one of these out, because I think you're going to find it a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 5:59

Now, what's interesting about these, particular the routes that they have you on, is that you are I mean, there is trail and there's road, but the points are literally like they're off in the woods. They're either on a, on a hilltop or some other terrain feature like a reentrant or a spur. They'll give you a clue sheet where these are, but they're literally like out in the middle of the woods. So you'll have to break from the trail to trek to that location and there's a lot of sticker bushes. I mean I fell into a hole. Both feet fell into like this hole. I don't know if it was like a little dugout for a fox or something like that, like a, like a. But you know I had blood on the map. So it's, it's not for the faint of heart. You're going to be, you're in the woods, you're busting through brush when it's in the summertime and there's leaves and there's more. You know fauna and and and sticker bushes and stuff. It's. It's even more grueling and it's harder to find the controls because they're, you know, they're covered in the leaves. So it's just an interesting, unique sport. So, yeah, you can visit the checkpoints in any order.

Speaker 1 7:08

So what they will do, like for the Tamah Dragon, what they did for us, was the race started at 8 o'clock. You had eight hours, so you had to be back at the finish line by four and an hour before the race started. They give you the maps, they give you the clue sheets with the 65 points. They'll give you just overall instructions of you know where to go, where not to go. The map will include the boundaries. This particular course had the grids plotted for us and you basically have an hour to kind of strategize. You know where you're going to go.

Speaker 1 7:41

Like what do you want to, which points do you want to pursue. Now, the points based off distance. They had different values. They had a couple that were unique. Like, if you hit all of the points that started with a six, then you got extra points for that. If you had, you know, a certain, if you hit the points that ended in a one, you know you got additional points. So there's a little bit of strategy there involved in which points you wanted to attack. We chose to go in a counterclockwise motion and hit the points from point to point to point.

Speaker 1 8:17

And you do have to make some decision points because you have to look at the clock and determine, you know at what certain points are you going to deviate and try to get that extra point. Because if you don't make the, if you don't make it back to the, the column of hash house and orientering, but the start of the race, where they, where you check in, then you get severely, you get deducted serious, serious points. So you've got to make it back because if not you're going to, you're going to lose tremendously on the amount of points that that that you've gained. So you have to make decision points and you kind of have to do a good job of you know, determining how far out and what the best path is back. So the entire day is it's it's a day of trying to figure out you know where you're at, where you're going, and try to have a smooth land navigation, so you get as many points as possible.

Speaker 1 9:10

And then you got to figure out you know the strategy of of the decision points, of do I go and attack that next point or do I need to go ahead and kind of make it back? And so it's, it's it's. I love it because it's. It's challenging, like a trail run, but it's mentally challenging. And I also love the fact that you get to work in a team. Now, if you do a short row game for this particular one that we did, tame the dragon, you could actually go solo if you wanted to, but there were also teams of two, up to four I believe, and having a teammate is is great because it's the strategy of being able to talk through. You know how you're going to attack a certain point and just having that accountability and motivation is just just a lot of fun. So, larry, is a great teamwork and and you know there are times where we had a couple, we had a couple of points that weren't as easy as some of the other points, the, the, the points that had a higher point value, they, you know.

Speaker 1 10:08

Some points are pretty easy. There might be an intersection of a road and a trail and they're really easy to navigate and you can, you can walk right up on them. But there are other ones where you might have to do dead reckoning, where you might have to actually shoot an asmoth and you'll have to do a pace count. What that means is you'll have to determine the distance from a known point. You shoot an asmoth from a known point to where you believe the, the, the control is, and then you'll have to step off, like our pace count would be for every hundred, like my pace count for every hundred meters. It's 55 steps and you know the, the point might be, you know, 850 meters away. So I, you know, basically step off, count 55 paces on this specific asmoth and it should take us right to this particular point.

Speaker 1 10:54

So it, it, it, it, it, it. It doesn't always work out that way, because if you're not at the known point when you shoot that you can, you're gonna be off. And we had one particular point it was point number 64 that we had to Attack it from four different points because we we basically got off the map a little bit, and sometimes the map here's what we noticed that some of these maps are really old. Like these, the maps that we had could have been made in like the 70s, and so it's frustrating because sometimes You're looking at the map and there's a road or there should be like a clearing or some other type of feature. It's just no longer there anymore, and so you might think that you're in the right spot but you're not, and that causes a little bit of frustration because what happens is you can ultimately get lost.

Intro to Rogaining, Dominate the Basics

Speaker 1 11:40

There's a couple of points during this race that we were, like man, we don't know where we're at, and We've got to, like, look at the terrain and try to figure out a known point so we can reshoot and reattack the point. And when you're navigating, like you know, terrain of, like the Ozarks, like it's the little contour lines on the map, every one of those lines, you know, has a graphic, represent representation of elevation, and I mean there are times that we're on our hands and knees trying to, you know, climb up some of these these Hills. So it's when you make a mistake like that. It it can be frustrating because you're just burning through a lot of energy Trying to get to that control. So so bottom line is a Rogaine is a.

Speaker 1 12:24

It's a, a map, trekking, orienteering. They give you map and compass, no GPS allowed and you have a certain amount of time to hit as many controls as possible. And you've got to get to the checkpoints as quickly as you can and make it back to the start. You guys stay together with your teammates, so you know you can't be like really far apart, like one teammate is looking for another point while you're looking for one. That's, that's not allowed. You can't do that. Some of these road games you know, the one that we did, was eight hours, but they can be up to 24 hours and, yeah, you can allocate your time and do you know, whatever you choose within that eight hours, the point is to get to as many controls as you can and make it back to the start. Oftentimes, like what I do, an adventure race they might give us a few different types of maps. For this one, rogaine, we only had one map. So the the maps can can be, I mean, they can be pretty sporadic, and what they, what they give you and then they're gonna give you a clue sheet, that that that has a description of what you're looking for, like where you could find the control. So sometimes there's symbols, sometimes it's just a Word description, like it might say reentrant or a spur or a hilltop or depression or, you know, intersection, and that's what you're looking for when you're, when you're on the terrain.

Speaker 1 13:53

You got to be self-sufficient. You got to be able to take your. They might have some water at some of the the stations, but for the most part you're basically out there on your own, and so you got to bring your own food. You got to bring your own gear. You know might need to bring some extra cold weather clothing. We're training for the expedition, so we brought all the gear that we're gonna be taking with us. So I mean my. I had a backpack probably weighed about 25, 30 pounds. It was actually kind of heavy, especially with all the water that I was carrying and everything else.

Speaker 1 14:22

So what else? What else do you know about row gaining? I mean the best way to get started, because it's very intimidating for a lot of people because, like, I don't know how to Read a map and compass. I haven't done it. I mean, I was exposed to doing that from my training in the military. There are Oriental clubs that I'm here in Missouri and they have the st Louis Oriental hearing club and they'll do a meetup once a month when they have these smaller meats like the one that we did.

Speaker 1 14:51

Today was eight hours, so it was. It was pretty big. Yeah, no phones, no GPS. I know that makes it more difficult, right, but it this it's actually not as difficult. It can feel daunting, but it's not as difficult as it may seem. And I tell you what, when you are able to read a map encompass and you can actually really read terrain, it's a really, it's just a really unique skill. It's very handy when it comes to doing a triathlon or a bike race, where it's not even recommended, because you can kind of look at the train ahead of time and it just makes you more familiar with the amount of energy that you're going to burn and how to navigate and tackle that particular race. But anyway, the was I saying you okay, where can you get training on this, how to do this?

Speaker 1 15:42

In Missouri you can go to the St Louis Orientation Club, but wherever you're at, I'm sure you could probably Google or search for an Orientation Club. There's probably a regional one that will. They have some smaller meats because people bring their families out there, like this is a kid friendly type of event usually and you know they'll be someone there that can kind of teach you the basics. And you know we want to expand the sport, we want to help people. You can go to like REI or you know we have the Alpine shop like your local outfitter. They typically have classes for this type of stuff Because you know they want to help people, people that are just hikers. You know they would need to learn how to read a map and compass. I know here locally in Columbia we have the Alpine shop, which is our local outfitter. They've got maps of all the local parks and they've got classes periodically where they will teach you how to read a map, and so that's really the best way to get started is to just, you know, go and find a your local outfitter and see if there's a class available.

Speaker 1 16:44

There's plenty of resources online that you can just. Youtube has a lot of resources on Orientaring and map reading. There's a great book called squiggly lines that is like an intro to navigation and map reading and it is a really good job of from another fellow adventure racer who put this book together, and it's just a great resource to help you just learn how to read a map and compass. But I can't tell you how much fun it is to be able to. You know, if you like, to push yourself physically and mentally. It's a great mental exercise as well.

Speaker 1 17:18

That's what I really really love about it, the strategy of it, and, to be honest, I don't even know how we finished on Saturday. It takes them a little bit to score it. I didn't stick around for the scoring because I had to get back and I was talking to Larry about this. Like it's not as competitive, like it's really about the task at hand and how we did as a team. More than anything else, I really, to be honest, I don't really care how he scored against other teams, because I I really wanted to hit, as it was more about me versus me than it is about racing anyone else. You see other competitors out there, but I really don't care what they're doing, because it's so engrossing for my own mental capacity and my own physical capacity, like I want to see how far I can get and how we did as a team and so I'll look. I probably I'll look up today see if they got the results posted.

Speaker 1 18:14

But that's another unique thing about it. It's more about you versus you than about you versus anyone else and it's a very welcoming sport. Everyone loves it. So, roganie, look it up. It's not just it's not just a hair loss club, it's a sport, very unique niche sport that's out there map trekking and in. I don't know, it might be something I might actually put some training together for the Do Our Things Nation, because I think there's a lot of people out there in the community that might actually really like this. Maybe I'll put a class together. So if you, if you have any interest in that, reach out to me, let me know and I can probably put some videos together. Do like a live class for anyone that might be interested in getting into this unique sport of Roganie, or just event racing in general, because I think it's it's the most fun. I've done a lot of running and cycling and triathlon. I've dabbled a lot of sports, but to me, adventure racing is the most fun for me personally and if I can help anyone break into it, I'm here to help because I think it's such a unique sport. Alright, so that's just a basic overview and intro into what Rogating is.

Mastering the Basics in Life

Speaker 1 19:23

I want to transition now over to the mindset segment here. And when I was in the 94th engineer battalion, I had a battalion commander by the name of Sam Volkman, who was a. I mean, some leaders in your military career really inspire you and I was really inspired by Sam. He was a runner himself. He was like a 220 marathon runner, so he was fast, he was fast and his mantra was dominate the basics. And that was you know, when you stay in formation and they call attention, you know dominate the basics. That was like the running thing of what we said. And when you break down, like, what does that mean to dominate the basics? Because I've taken this mindset, that mantra that we had, and incorporated into my own command philosophy, my leadership philosophy, in my own life. So let's break it down. What does it mean to dominate the basics? Well, to dominate means to be in control, to have power to defeat. It means to have command, it means to have mastery, complete control over something. Dominate is related to the word domain, meaning home, and when you're the master of your home, you're in complete control over it, you have dominion over it. That's what it means to dominate.

Speaker 1 20:42

The basics are the essential facts or principles of any subject or skill. It's the simplest and most important elements, ideas and things that are connected to something. Basic also means simple and not complicated. I want to highlight that because sometimes we're looking for the sexy thing, the thing that's complicated, because it's the most exciting, but the basics are the fundamentals. It's being able to, you know, provide the very elements, the most significant aspects of something. And the basics means to be able to provide the base or the starting point which something can develop. So you have to have a foundation to build upon. So that's what it means Dominate the basics, so to have complete control and mastery over the very simplest of things. And dominating the basics is dominating the very, very basics of something.

Speaker 1 21:43

When it came to the military, there were four systems that we typically operated in, and what I've noticed, that what I learned in leadership, is that, you know, at any one time during the week, we were doing one of these four things in the Army we were doing administrative tasks, we were doing maintenance tasks, maintaining our equipment, we were doing training or we were doing supply activities. So you were doing one of those four activities. An arm from the admin would be legal. For those that are familiar with that, that's a whole different thing, but those you were always doing something in one of those areas. Now, everyone really really loved the training. That's where the sexy stuff was right. That's where people wanted to do like really high speed training and they would shortcut some of the other things that were not as exciting, like maintaining your vehicles or doing you know, your supply activities or, you know, doing your layouts or replacing equipment.

Speaker 1 22:41

The training was where it's at. That's where everyone you could off balance your time by spending too much time focusing on the stuff that's exciting, but you have to dominate those other basic things that you know you need to do. And, from a leadership perspective, when he outlined that, that really really helped me understand where I was spending my time and how I was, you know, spending my time, basically managing time for my subordinates as well, because everyone tends to focus on the most exciting aspects of whatever it is that they're doing. And even when that came down to doing training, people wanted to do the really high speed training. They wanted to, you know, they want to incorporate the helicopters and the vehicles and you know, do these complex maneuvers, but we weren't as good as some of the basic fundamentals as we needed to be, and the whole point of dominating the basics is making sure that you are really really good at the very basics of soldiering and that will enable you to be really good at you know, more complex tasks.

Speaker 1 23:49

So how does this translate to your personal life? Well, I think there are four lines of efforts in your day to day life. There, the four fundamental areas that you're operating in is your health and wellness You're always doing something to manage your energy, good or bad, but you're doing something. Your affluence and wealth you're building wealth, you're creating money. Your relationships you're constantly engaged in relationships and then your ability to develop, to upskill, to train and learn. You're doing one of those four things at any one time and understanding what it is that the basics of those will enable you to amplify your life. So how do you dominate those? How do you dominate those? I want to share with you a little framework that I learned from the military called basics we. You know, we use acronyms a lot. Basics, right. So there's all sorts of acronyms, but B-A-S-I-C that will help you dominate the basics and just day to day life. This is like a day to day thing.

Speaker 1 24:50

So the first one B be on time. Don't be late. Be on time, come prepared. You know that person that's habitually late. They're on island time or whatever they might coin at something, but they're just completely late all the time. Some I mean some societies just completely operate that way. Now we as Americans, we tend to be very prompt, but the point is especially from a military perspective don't be late, don't come unprepared. Did you not bring pen and paper for the meeting? And you know, don't show up on time. Be a few minutes early. Don't disrespect everyone else by being a few minutes late. You know that person that's habitually late. It's so disrespectful, especially when you're someone that values time and if you're listening to this, you have a growth mindset. You value time tremendously because you know it's an incredibly important resource. So don't be that person that's late. If you're going to be late, make sure you call ahead and let them know you're going to be late, because it does happen from time to time. But don't be late. That's what the B stands for.

Speaker 1 25:49

A A stands for actually there, like when you're there, be present, don't just be physically there. Have your head in the game. You're not there scrolling on your social media. You're not in the cloud thinking about, you know, travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift You're, you're not. You know you're not. You're there, you're physically present, you're in the game, like so, when you're there, be there whatever it is for you, whether it's work, task or with your kids, or but be Focused, be present, be there.

Speaker 1 26:21

The s stands for serve, be of use, be of value and contribute. Contribute something greater than yourself. Serve the team and not your ego. Serve your team and not your ego. Humans are designed to create, be of service to others. So give more than you take, give more than you take. So that's s serve. Be there, be of service, be of use. Don't be a burden on other people. All right, I in the right uniform. You know there's three things dominating in the military If you want to just be successful. Just the the right place. Location In uniform. Right, be in the right place in the right uniform. Great work and your personal appearance.

Speaker 1 27:02

Being prepared to operate in the operational environment you find yourself in is incredibly important. Read the room and be appropriate, and a lot people like, especially as I've Transitioned into the business realm. People bemoan like I gotta wear a tie to this thing. Yeah, shut the hell up and wear the tie. Everyone else in the room is wearing a tie. It's not about your ego. Just shut up and wear the damn tie. Don't complain, don't make it about you. That's just the environment that you have to operate in, right and and so have the right gear, have the right equipment. Don't be a burden on other people because you didn't show it prepared. Be in the right uniform. Read the room and what do you look like? You look like everyone else. You're gonna be able to extend more influence if you're not looking, you know not standing outside. Read the room, be appropriate. Be appropriate. Be in the right uniform. Have the right gear and equipment that you need see, see us for competence.

Speaker 1 27:54

This is the most important aspect of mastering the basics. So, whatever your vocation, you must be abreast of the latest information and be mentally prepared. Be competent. That competent will improve your confidence in anything. Whatever your, whatever your vocation, understand the skills that you must master, study hard, practice and rehearse To be a chef you know, learn how, the the basics of being a cook. That's really what dominating the basics means before it means Mastering the fundamentals before you do the advanced stuff. It's being a cook before you're a chef Having competence, understanding what the fundamentals are and what it means to have competence is Understanding your craft. So know what that is and lean in on it. Don't avoid it.

Speaker 1 28:43

All right s s is security. So when patrolling you don't eat or sleep until the perimeter secure right. So this kind of goes back into your house. I'm not in the army J. So what are you talking about patrolling? I'm not. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 28:56

Well, you got to protect yourself. You got to rely on yourself in life, be physically and mentally and financially prepared for anything. Know how to defend yourself and your family. Know how to do basic first aid. Get your house in order, get yours when something is, when something happens. You are not a burden on someone else. You're not going to be a victim, so it's just being able to secure yourself. You cannot just rely on the police. I love the police, but by the time they get there it's oftentimes too late. So do you know how to defend yourself if there's an emergency? Can you conduct first aid? Can you Be financially prepared for an emergency where you're not relying on someone else? So you're, it's your own individual security and and whatever that it means for you, being able to protect you and your house.

Speaker 1 29:49

And there's a variety of different aspects of this, but it's not it, you know. It's like you know the when, the, when the pandemic hit, right, are you? Are you one of the people freaking out because you don't have enough food and you don't have toilet paper, or do you just handle your business? Do you just, you know, go about it and are you already prepared, making preparations, are you there to help others, or are you in freakout mode? Right, it's really ultimately being secure in yourself. So, are you secure? And so that's the.

Speaker 1 30:18

That's the basics. That's just a quick acronym be on time, be actually there, serve, be in the right uniform, competence and security. Those are some basics that the transcend life. That's just basic day-to-day life disciplines that are really good for you. And where people go wrong is they want to take shortcuts, they want to do the fancy stuff, they want to, they want to, you know, they want to. They over complicate things, or they're yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that and they know everything and so, and so they don't take time to really appreciate the fundamentals. But slow is smooth and smooth is fast, and if you know the basics and fundamentals and anything, then you take that mantra dominating the basics and you're gonna be incredibly smooth in whatever is that you do.

Speaker 1 31:07

The slight edge difference between those who achieve at the highest levels versus everyone else being able to do is being able to do routine things well. Routine things routinely well, and that's dominating the basics. Don't overcomplicate things. People wanna overcomplicate their health, they wanna overcomplicate their wealth. They wanna overcomplicate everything, and really it's about being consistent on the basics that make you stand out. That's it, and so that's it. That's it. That's it. That's it for the mindset aspect this morning. So we talked a little bit this morning about the sport of row gaining the sport of row gaining, orienteering, map trekking. We talked about dominating the basics. There's your mindset aspect. Now, real quick, we're gonna show our weekly winner and we're gonna call it a day. So let me share my screen here. I love this one. This.

Spread Kindness, Be Kind to Yourself

Speaker 1 32:07

Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce you to Pat Haverbale. What's up, pat? Pat is from Melville, missouri, and he just demonstrates that age is just a number. Here. He is on the left. He's 72 years old in that photo. That's just a badass photo, pat. I love it and he's been a mountain biker all his life. He's just out there getting after it. And it just goes to show that when you are living a life of fitness, like as you age, and you get into those higher numbers like, you can keep getting after it. If you're someone that's sedentary and you're 72 and you get on the mountain bike for the first time, I would not recommend that to somebody, right? But here's a man who's fully competent and physically capable and able, and here he is in his 70s, still getting after it. So, pat, for just inspiring all of us just to continue to get after it, man, we're gonna send you a Do-Hard-Thing shirt. And Pat is also a Vietnam, a proud Vietnam veteran who serves his country, and we appreciate your service as well. And, pat, for just being a role model, for being out there getting after it and inspiring all of us to be a little bit better, we're gonna send you a Do-Hard-Thing shirt. So we appreciate you, pat. All right, and that's pretty much it for today.

Speaker 1 33:24

Unfortunately Angie couldn't be here, but we know what Angie would say right, make sure that you go out there and you make someone smile If you want kindness in the world, and the world really needs it. Put it there yourself. It starts with putting it there yourself, and that could be just holding a door for someone, that could be buying someone a cup of coffee. It could just be saying something nice to someone, someone you know, someone you don't know, but just have it on your mental dashboard to go out there and do an act of kindness to someone today. Be kind to yourself while you're at it. Be kind to yourself and that's it. In the meantime, keep doing hard things and we will see you guys in the next episode.