What If Rest Were A Practice

A good meal can be more than dinner. It can be a doorway into curiosity, a weekly reset button, and sometimes the safest place to tell the truth. We sit down with Denise Baker, a gifted home chef with a deep love of global cuisine, to talk about how a simple cooking plan grew into a month-by-month journey through more than 20 countries and cultures. Denise shares how her family cooked one country at a time, learned the rhythms and history behind the food, and even turned those months into community potlucks that welcomed dozens of people around the table.

Then we move from the kitchen into a Friday night Sabbath practice that has shaped their family for years. Denise explains why they chose Friday, how lighting candles and saying a blessing changes the tone of the whole weekend, and what it looks like to build a Shabbat-inspired rhythm with music, liturgy, bread, and meaningful table questions. If you’ve been craving slow living, intentional rest, or a faith-rooted practice that feels practical instead of abstract, this conversation offers a grounded roadmap.

We also go somewhere tender and necessary: mental health. Denise speaks honestly about supporting a daughter with bipolar disorder, the uncertainty of diagnosis, the stigma families carry in silence, and why therapy and boundaries matter for caregivers too. You’ll hear what shifted when trust in psychiatric care finally took root and why hope can be realistic, not naïve.

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Transcript

Welcome And The Summer Theme

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Welcome back to the Create Harmony Podcast. Let me tell you what you're gonna find here. In this space, we settle into an intentional rhythm, and it's one that helps us savor life's blessings and ground ourselves in gratitude. And today we get to expand that space a little wider. I'm gonna be joined by a guest whose work and presence reflect much of what we value here at Create Harmony. Connection, intention, and a deep respect for the rhythms that shape our lives. So wherever you are, settle in, take a breath, and join us for this conversation. Before we start into our conversation today with our guest, I want to make a quick note about what we're doing this summer. It's summer season here where we live here in North Carolina, and we are going to be doing a series of conversations all about hobbies or things that you do in your leisure time. And the reason we're taking some time to focus on that is because we believe that taking time off, slowing your life down, and doing the things that bring you joy, lift your spirits can be really, really restorative. And we want to suggest lots of options for you this summer. So all of our conversations are going to be hobby oriented, and you won't want to miss a single one. All right, welcome.

Meet Denise And What’s Ahead

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We are so happy today to have Denise Baker joining us. And I'll just go ahead and start out and tell you that Denise, the way that I know Denise is that she happens to be married to our wonderful pastor. But there is a lot more to her than just that. And we're going to talk about that today. Um, Denise is a fabulous cookslash chef. I would call her a chef. Maybe I don't know whether she calls herself that. We'll let her talk about that in a minute. They have a very robust Sabbath rhythm that we're going to talk about, and then we're going to get into a few things, mental health. So so much to look forward to. And welcome, Denise. We're so glad to have you. So honored, Stally, to be a part of your show, Create Harmony. I love the title. It is so exciting. And I so appreciate your invitation. Well, great. We're so glad to have you.

Learning The World Through Cooking

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So let's just jump right into food. I will say that Denise, I have eaten some of the food that Denise has cooked before, and it was, I mean, fabulous is really like let me underline that two or three times. She does such interesting things. She you just you just learn all about a certain region. So tell us sort of your journey into cooking all the wonderful things that you cook. Gosh, I um love, first of all, when I first got married, I'd been married 38 years yesterday. So um I did not know how to cook or what to cook. Um I just know that I love a plan. And my father, long time ago, 38 years ago, got me this subscription to a magazine, and I followed everything religiously out of that magazine. So, because it was seasonal and I was able to um use the magazine's menus to help me. So for about 20 years, I really leaned into this magazine and other cookbooks a little bit. And finally, one day, 20 years later, I said, Okay, family, I'm just really tired. What can we learn about another country? And we have delved into since then, so I've been married 38, 18 years ago, oh, maybe 23 different countries, and we did each country for a month at a time so that we could learn the culture, the rhythms, the um, the habits, the government, the food, and but the food was really the big part. And then we'd have a huge pot, like at the end of the month, and I would um invite people around our community to come bring uh food from that region, and we'd celebrate with like 30, 40 different dishes, but I would write about it and blog about it, um, about what it meant for us to be a global uh sort of understanding the global concept of a country, and to also the biggest thing for us was that we wanted to pray for that country. So I have done countries like Egypt, um Russia, Ethiopia, um, Spain, Italy, France, all those normal ones, but one of the biggest countries that we had a big potluck for, two of them, Spain and Egypt. I kid you not, we had 80 people, I think, for Egypt. People really were interested. That's so cool. I don't really know a lot about Egyptian food. What what types of things? Oh my goodness, there's purple yes. One of them is our one of our favorite foods is um the soup. I love soups. It does not matter. You can have I can have a soup in a summer dead heat. One of them is uh a meat and tomato based soup, and it is so mild and a tiny bit of rice in it, and it is so good, but the umami flavors in that soup is just so good. So I we love umami, we love the flavor flavor profile upon flavor profile upon flavor profile. Well, this brings me back to this brings me to today or in the last several years, where I love to create menus just around well, my Sabbath, but around the week. And I also like to draw out what the menu looks like on a plate. So if I make a menu of like meat and potatoes and appetizers, I'll and dessert and our Sabbath, I'll draw the plate and then I'll draw the foods around it. But before I get to that point, I have a lovely book also. It's like an art book, and in there I'll brainstorm, and it's like of all the foods that I think would work for whatever's I'm feeling, and then I'll transfer it over onto plates and see how I feel about it. And that's what it comes up with. I love it. I love it. What I love about this is not only is the food exceptionally delicious and and just extraordinary and yes. So what we had a little bit of technical difficulty, but what I was gonna say was I really love that not only is your food absolutely extraordinarily delicious, and not just, you know, if you're gonna study the Middle East, you're not gonna just get hummus, you're gonna go further than that. But it's just such a great example of curiosity about the world, of learning about other people and taking a habit or a hobby that you like, some an interest, and really just going deep into it, learning and growing and the the description of the plate, all about how you you create art out of that. And you know, you just come at it from so many different angles. And I love that. That's a great, I mean, I feel inspired. Like I feel like I need to round out some of my hobbies a little more. Well, I it's passion and I love cooking and you know, it's something that I just feel really comfortable doing. So, how do you choose the country?

The One-Country-Per-Month Challenge

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So fun. Um, we th have each of the kids at the time they started with us when they were young teenagers, um, write out a country they'd like to know and put it on a little piece of paper. We'd put it in a baseball cap, and all five of us, you know, three kids, pull out uh, and then we put sticks by whatever got the most countries, and that's what it was. And then I would um look up a cookbook or several cookbooks or the library, um, and then I would bring that book home and go through the process of we would only cook from that cookbook or that country for the entire month. There was no other food. We'd always eat um 30, 40 meals a month from that country so that we'd get a really good sense of that country. Yeah, it wasn't just one time a week or once a month, it was really like sometimes three times a day. I remember one time we did India and I did it so much, there's clearly like Indian spices. You know, when you go in an Indian restaurant, they are clearly Indian spices that you smell really when you go in. Well, our house after a month, Kevin went to a choir, my husband did, and they said, Did you go to an Indian restaurant? Because gosh, you smell so good. He's my wife is cooking Indian, and all of our houses smelling like our yeah, leaning into India. And people knew about this, so yeah, so that's how I um have our family pick out a country each month. And before the end of the month, because I blogged, I would always go, we've got our country for the next month. And that's because I needed to lean in like on week three, what was the next month to be? And then I could at potluck at our community potluck, I'd say, Okay, our next country is going to be Russia. So I love that. I love that. So I know that now that your children are older and your ha rhythms are a little bit different in your household, you're still doing a lot of cooking, but maybe not just focusing on a country every month. Yes. Okay.

Creating A Friday Sabbath Rhythm

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I am doing a lot of cooking, and a lot of my cooking is based around like our Sabbath on Friday. Okay, so let's merge into that. Talk talk to us about what you mean when you say Sabbath. So our Sabbath um has been an evolving um journey from way back when when my husband became a pastor over 33 years ago. And as you know, pastors really they can't have Sunday off. So that's typically Lord's Day. You have Sabbath, people just enjoy Sunday. Um, well, we couldn't really. It was really difficult. And we had the three little kids. So we chose Friday as a Sabbath rhythm. And we wouldn't have called it Sabbath then, we just called it Friday day off. And Kevin's first parish was near the Outer Banks. And we decided, okay, kids, let's get out of town and go to Nag's head every Friday. So we would call that our Friday rhythm day off for Kevin and for our family. So it evolved all the way through different various stages of what we called Friday. We'll try pizza night, we'll do movie night, we'll do um, you know, game night. Every Friday was a rhythm. And we got introduced in 2014 to a book when Sabbath really, the term Sabbath was really taking off as a term, um by a book by Matthew Sleet called 24-7, which is this incredible book. I'll give you all these resources, but this incredible book, 24-6, and he turned us on, he's a medical doctor, but he turned us on about what is missing in our lives. We are so busy as a culture and as American culture, we are so busy um doing, going, being, um, not being, but just doing. And he introduced us to instead of being a human doing, let us become human beings. He introduced his actually, his wife is actually Jewish. So he introduced us this way of creating Sabbath, which was so like, whoa, what do we do? I actually took it a little bit further and did said, you know, let's let's start inviting our kids back into Friday night dinners. Rather, as opposed to just calling them Friday night dinners, we're gonna call them Shabbat, which is Jewish concept of Sabbath, and they always have it on Friday. So uh per usual, I'm a good planner. I tend to find books on what this looks like. So our first Sabbath was um really rough, we didn't know what we were doing. But over the last 12 years, we have learned Hebrew, we know songs, we are in the rhythm of lighting candles to mark the evening for Sabbath for us. Um, we call it Sabbath for Jewish, it's 25 hours. Um, we put aside all things that are just related to work, uh, politics, arguments, anything. So we light our candles and we introduce our um evening by offering a blessing. And so we bring in this rhythm of Sabbath, and it's letting go, it's just this breath, letting go of that week before, and just entering into this harmony, this reset. Sounds like a reset. Um, but what made the difference for us is you know, we did all the pizza, we did all the you know, movies, we did all these things before. What was so interesting is we lit candles to candles, um, to and here I brought my some candles, you know. I lit candles that burned some of we burned them down to these wood candles made out of olive wood, they're from Jerusalem. And we would say this blessing, and I would just bring it in, the the light, the air. And um that began our Sabbath rhythm. And we would have liturgy around it. We'd have music, we'd have our dinner, we'd have our high and low question, we would have an interest, a high and low moment, our interesting question for the evening. We go around the table. We start this in gram two churches ago, and we would be invitational to our church or people who might need a meal or open up our table. Um, those kinds of things that really blossomed. And we were very um diligent. 6:30 were aptizers, seven was dinner, and we would go until like 10 or 11 because we'd have music afterwards, or somebody would give us boom, or somebody we'd play games, or we would do a puzzle, but mostly we would have music. Um, we would entertain, we would um, I don't know, beatbox. We would do whatever we could find for the just a few hours afterward to keep that like lovely moment of just enjoyment with one another. So that was the beginning of our Sabbath 12 years ago, and we still do. Our kids know the liturgy, our grandchildren know the Hebrew liturgy. They are now it's a culture. It's you know, it takes three years for a culture. So the first year, the second year, and the third year, by the third year, it's it's become a culture. So that's exactly what we've done. And since then, um, I became part of you know, program called Sabbath Living. I went all over the state to talk about what we do for Shabbat, how to live into it. It wasn't easy because um what wasn't easy is this dedicated one day. Because it's hard. You just have what we were doing was intentional, right? But needed rest. He wasn't gonna get in on Sunday. And barring emergencies, you know, funerals, people in the hospital, we would participate every Friday, seven o'clock. Didn't matter where we were, we'd do them in hotel rooms, I'd bring my candles with me. Uh, it didn't matter. Very few times we'll we didn't do that, and which was quite difficult. And sometimes even it's just Kevin and I, we've done it ourselves together a lot. So yeah. I love that. What I love about it is that, you know, when we think about Sabbath, I think as a culture, even in the religious world, there's not a lot that we, you know, we just know the word and it means rest and we don't really do much with that, and we all move on and go to the grocery store on Sunday. But this Sabbath observance is not just about sitting still or not working, the absence of work. It's about community and connection and resetting your lives in the ways of really savoring the things that are most important to you and really acknowledging, being intentional about making those connections. You have such a welcoming presence to all the things that you do, and I love that community aspect of it. I just think that's I love that you said that. I have been looking for this artist who drew this picture, and I've been thinking, gosh, I need somebody who's art because she I wrote an article out uh in church health, and I'm gonna give you this resource as well. Um, so you can put on the end of your podcast. But it's called Searching for Sabbath, one day in seven for better health. So it's about health and what Sabbath can help you with your whole mental wellness, mental health. And I've been looking for this uh artist and or somebody to do a picture like this because it represents our table, our family, the people we invited. And I want you to look at that. Okay, look at that. That is so cool. It's so open and connect, it's connected, but then open, which I like both of those. This artisan captured after reading my article what just what we we had in our table. And she didn't even talk to me. She just read this article and I was like, this is it is wonderful. So I've been looking for somebody to do this. There's something about that picture that also seems like it has flow, which I like. You know, it's just like people flowing in and out and yes, you know, connecting to the table. So I I love that. I think that it sounds like you really have found a flow with your observance of Shabbat and Sabbath. Yes. Yeah, so it's just it's been a wonderful addition and it's a wonderful part of who we are in our lives. I mean, we we are not uh we are in guided by Sabbath, by Friday nights, by the intentionality of lighting lights, um, breaking of bread. And of course, my husband, you know, makes the hala and he's learned how to do it beautifully. So every Friday we can, you know, break bread together. Um, and and we also do both, you know, we have Protestant liturgy and we also have you know the Jewish liturgy in there. We also have children's little children's Sabbath. Um we use this. We created our own little our Sabbath table liturgy, but we've also created when you have children, how to do Sabbath with children. So that it yeah, yeah. So and what a legacy for them. I mean, I loved it when you said that your children and your grandchildren had memorized the liturgy because that's such a that's such an important thing to pass down through the gener, you know, in the Jewish, in the Bible, if you go all the way back through the Bible, a lot of that history was oral and it was passed down through generations and generations. And this is like the updated version of that, you know, passing down the sacred traditions to the next generation, which I love. We love that. Um, we feel like our grandchildren, you know, they know how to light the lights, they love the bread. Um, they are participants in the singing, they even know the Hebrew singing, and so it's kind of cool. I mean, whether, you know, it's kind of messy but fun. Um, we all are learning the Hebrew part of this too. So it's just really we are grafted into the story of the Jewish people. We are grafted into that story. So we are a part of that, and I think um, you know, being taking this one day to be a human being and not doing and setting aside um this time has been key for this family. Yes. And I I hear a little bit of gratitude underneath, you know, it's it's gratefulness for the blessings that you have and the food that you have and the people that you have. I mean, I love the whole spirit of it. I think it's beautiful. One thing I might add around our table is whenever we ask a question, like there's a high and low, we always ask everybody the high and low. And then a question like, um, perhaps, um, how who would you like to have around the fireplace and have a chat with? And what would you chat about? So depending on the tone of how I would like the table to go, I'm the one that always answers the question first, whatever it is. So if it's gonna be a, I wanted a lighthearted one, or depending who's around the table, or if I want to get deeper. So I would say, gosh, I would love to invite um, say, I don't know, profound psychiatrist around the table that I love. And I would ask them things about mental health or mental wellness or something like that, something about how can we be better about mental health in our community? Um, and I would share, I would ask them, you know, you know, it's really had some struggles. And I would introduce it and say what I had felt, and that would set the tone to give permission for people to be. Become deep in their answer. And the opposite is also true. If I want to say, hey, who's your favorite Disney character? And that would be a lighter flow. So I would set the set the tone. I love that. I love that it has a flow and that each week might have a different feel and a different experience. But you know, you're repeating there are some parts that repeat that are very, you know, routine, but then there are other parts that, you know, are updated and new and fresh. I love I love all of

Mental Health And Bipolar In Family

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that. Yes. And now I want to circle into you mentioned mental health and mental wellness. And I want us to talk a little bit. I know that you have had some close proximity to mental health struggles. And I would love to hear your thoughts, whatever you feel like you want to share about that job. Sure. Sure. Um, say about 10 years ago, we um have a daughter. She is absolutely flourishing now, and it is a great place, and she is just doing amazing. Um, we had a daughter, it took a long time to figure out that she had bipolar. And there were so many diagnoses, they just did not know what it was. But every year around spring, she would have an episode and mania and schizophrenia or psychoses or bipolar, they just couldn't pin it down. Um, but over the years, we were dreading having heightened anxiety around Easter. This last time was a year ago, over a year ago, where it lasted four months. And we believe it lasted four months because on top of the episode, she was in chemotherapy and radiation for breast cancer of stage three. Um, so we feel like that that metastasized with the chemicals and radiation and chemo, and then on top of that, the mania and the um psychoses and the um bipolar. Um but uh come a year later, we I think she began trusting her psychiatrist in December, which is the first time I have ever heard her say that in 10 years. That changed everything. That's a little it is really it changed everything, and she uh uh when we found out that she she just didn't trust the medical field for her mental wellness health at all, uh she told us that she was sharing things with her psychiatrist. We were what this is huge, and this past Easter was the time where we did not experience her having an episode, and she is day by day, she's just working through it, and um, we are so our big prayer has been that she would flourish, uh has always been in the last 10 years, that God would help her to flourish in her family, in her life, her marriage. Um, she surprised us this a couple months, three months ago, and she got her real estate license. So she is an agent, so she works for a company. Yes, and um she is uh loves music, she's an artist, she is so gifted, and I think she sees the value in uh doing the work to help uh her health so that uh there isn't a danger of you know losing her family, losing her livelihood. Um, so bipolar is a very serious uh illness. Right uh and it takes a long time. I I I can't tell you how many admissions she's had, uh many admissions, uh, but it it took years, a lot of prayer and a lot of therapy for me and therapy with Kevin the first time we ever had therapy together so that we knew how to navigate um what it like what's it like to live be in a relationship with an adult who has bipolar. Right, right. What and not know I think there's so many things that you said that are not uncommon when you're journeying along with someone like that. I mean, the fact that you have to c come alongside them and then just know that this might happen again and again and again. The fact that the there's not necessarily clarity in your treatment plan, clarity in the medication you need, clarity even in what your diagnosis is. I mean, the journey to find the correct diagnosis, I think is not uncommon at all. We I I also have someone in my family who is bipolar, a little more distant relationship, but I've walked alongside that that journey, and it's really, really difficult. It's very specific to each individual often. The treatment uh formula is very curated for each person, which means that you gotta it's tr trial and error to find your way there. And what my observation is, and you sort of spoke to this, the person who is experiencing bipolar often does not remember the what happened because they are removed, their their mind is experiencing a whole different reality, and therefore they're not as motivated as the rest of us might be watching to try to heal because they don't remember all of that. They don't that's not their reality anymore. And that makes a whole nother layer of diff difficulty from my viewpoint that you have to go through. And it's just I'm so happy to s to hear that she's opened herself. I don't think it's uncommon to be resistant to to treatment or to the medical field. I think that's uh definitely a layer that often people um go through. And just the layer of the stigma of mental health, having someone with mental health. I mean, I think that's a whole thing. It's different from when you have a sick family member you just are able to talk about it with a different level of freedom when you have a di a different physical illness rather than a mental health crisis. Yeah, and it affected the whole family. It I mean, because all your energies were focusing on this this one, you know, child. Yeah. And as much as we tried to, you know, share in our love with everyone, it you're only as good as the like weakest kid. So you know, and and we really were just just and it was quiet. It was a quiet suffering. Uh and we knew that people prayed for us, but we also knew that it was just it was really gonna be, you know, is this the road we have? Is this is this is this what we're gonna do? We're gonna accept it. So we needed therapy to help us, like, okay, we need to have boundaries, we need to have a plan, we need to, and and I think some of that work for ourselves, for our mental health and mental care, mental wellness. We, Kevin, my husband and I had to get help. Yes, and that's so important. And there are also grandchildren involved here. So it's not just your own suffering watching your child, it's suffering, you're watching your child's whole family have this experience and how to respond, knowing having the wisdom of knowing how to come alongside that is a prata, a big pra. You know, it it is a stigma. And I think if you treat it like, you know, for the rest of your life, you you know, it's like diabetes or or you have to to start lean into like what is prescriptive for your situation. And uh your family uh need your your family uh needs help too and and seeking help uh is a good thing. And yeah, we are just so grateful so much for the love and the kindness and the generosity that people have expressed to us that you know we want to so do that for others and just say, we know, we understand, we, you know, our story is just, you know, it's hard. And it may not turn out good because we have had other family members where it didn't turn out well at all. And that was difficult. And so I just I really appreciate you being willing to share that with such openness and share, you know, the difficulties and the joys that because it's an up and down journey. And I really, I think that it's not uncommon. It's not nearly as uncommon as we sometimes think because of the stigma, because you don't always hear about it or talk about it. I think it's a very common journey for lots and lots of families. I think that the way that you've approached it is really relatable. Um, that that you had some you certainly had some fits and starts, but you learned that, you know, we're all gonna need some tools. We're all might need some therapy. We need to talk this through with somebody that can help us sort out what's my role in this story, you know. Um, how do I help her and how do I help myself and how do I help my grandchildren and you know, all the things. So I really appreciate you sharing all of that with us. I really do. Thank you so much. Very meaningful.

Lighting Candles And Final Blessing

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So I love this conversation that we've had. We've learned so much. I what I kind of to sum up all the different things we've talked about. I just love your approach to things that when you enter into something, you go all in and you learn about it and you come along, you know, you just swarm around the topic basically and just really lean in and make something robust and interesting. And I just I just love that. So I I really appreciate you sharing all of those different aspects. And I know that people are gonna want to know more about your Sabbath rhythms and they're gonna want to see all those resources. I love that. And I can close this out by lighting the candles and does breaking as um, yeah, let me bring it over here and I will um see if I can do what I do. Um let me see if I can do Kevin normally has to help me light my candles. But they're lighting. I see them. They're great. They're lighting, I know. So this is what we do to light the candles. And okay, one candle is not cooperating quite yet. Here we go. It is getting there. It's getting there, it's getting there. So I just um to usher in um the Sabbath. I do this. Are there lit? I don't I Elohim leg a halam ashad kiding ashuvet ned shell shabbat. Blessed are you, Lord our God, the King of the universe who has commanded us to light lights of Sabbath. Amen. Amen. That's so awesome. And while you were talking, both candles just lit right up and just brought the light into our day. And I really appreciate this. And I will just mention that we happen to be recording this on a Friday, so it's perfect timing that we're doing it on a Friday. So Shabbat Day. I appreciate you taking time on your Friday to to record this with us. I am so honored to be asked, and that you're so curious. And it just makes me happy to share this with your listeners and definitely blessed, and I know it's gonna bless a lot of other people. So I really can't wait. Can't wait. Thank you so much, and we are all good for today. Thanks so much. Thank you, Sally. Talk to you soon.

Peaceful Pathways Summer Box Offer

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