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The Franchise Hot Seat Podcast with Dr. John P. Hayes - Director, Titus Center for Franchising

Internationally recognized speaker, personal business coach and Amazon best-selling franchise author Dr. John Hayes offers an honest look at everything involved in researching, evaluating and purchasing a franchise business. On this podcast, Dr. John P Hayes interviews Franchisors, Franchisees, and has solo episodes giving valuable advice in the Franchise Industry. Since 1979, John Hayes has worked in the franchise community as a consultant, franchisee and franchisor. He’s one of an elite group worldwide that has actually owned and operated franchises, including serving as CEO of a major American franchisor company, and advised franchisors and franchisees. He is the author of several franchise-related books and countless articles that have appeared in media worldwide. Dr. Hayes has served for many years as an advisor to franchisors, franchisees and small business owners internationally. His areas of expertise include management development, marketing, customer service, training and strategic planning. He is the author or co-author of 18 non-fiction books including Franchising: The Inside Story, Start Small, Finish Big, You Can’t Teach A Kid To Ride A Bike At A Seminar, and most recently Buy “Hot” Franchises Without Getting Burned. Keywords: franchise tax board , chick fil a franchise , the franchise guy , best franchise to own , franchise business , buying a franchise , franchise opportunities , opening a franchise , owning a franchise

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Would You Rather Buy a Degree… or Buy a Career? | Dr. John P. Hayes With Tom Pabin

July 06, 2026 • Dr. John P Hayes • Season 1 • Episode 91

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John Hayes interviews Tom Pabin on the Franchise Hot Seat Podcast, discussing Pabin's journey with his college-planning franchise, Class101, and his book, Squeezed. Pabin shares the story of how he started Class101 in 1997, developed systems for a decade before venturing into franchising, and managed steady growth until he eventually sold the company. He remains involved as a franchisee. They debate the necessity of college education for everyone, the risk of families overpaying for education, and emphasize the significance of student suitability and performance over the reputation of the institution. Hayes suggests that students with knowledge of franchising have an edge in the job market, while Pabin views franchising as a means to purchase a career that aligns with one's purpose. They use examples such as McDonald’s Filet-O-Fish to illustrate the impact of franchisees, the importance of culture fostered through practical actions, and the value of sharing ideas and recognition. Pabin interprets "squeeze" as a form of pressure that propels growth, advocating for mentors, supportive "lemonade teams," perseverance, a positive mindset, and deliberate self-challenge. Pabin encourages listeners to visit his website, tompabin.com, for his book and coaching services.

- With Tom Pabin.

TIMESTAMPS:

02:35 The College Planning Founder Who Never Went To College.

07:45 When A $400K Degree Is A Terrible Investment.

11:55 Why Franchise Students Land Jobs Instantly.

13:45 The Lost Generation Searching For Passion.

16:10 The McDonald's Franchisee Who Invented The Filet-O-Fish.

19:30 The Franchise Hall Of Fame That Changed Everything.

21:45 Why Leaders Should Deliberately Squeeze Their Teams.

24:45 The 2:00 AM Test That Exposes Your True Circle.

27:25 Why Smart People Squeeze Themselves On Purpose.

30:10 The One Skill College Never Teaches (But Franchises Require).

33:55 How A Toastmasters Class Could Save Your Career.

38:40 The Funeral Test That Reveals Your Real Network.

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