Have you ever longed for a deeper, more personal connection with God? Picture yourself sitting down, pen in hand, guided by the insightful Amy Brooks, founder of Catholics Online, as we delve into the transformative power of prayer journaling.
Discover how Amy's prayer journaling helped her hear God's voice more clearly and seek his guidance during tumultuous times. Learn how to pour your heart's deepest desires, fears, and gratitude into a prayer journal, turning it into a sanctuary for your thoughts and feelings.
Amy offers a fresh perspective on St. Teresa of Avila's advice - "pay God a compliment when you ask big things from him." She shares how her own prayer journal became a safe space to dream big and pray boldly and, to her amazement, see her aspirations come to life years later.
Change how you perceive your prayer time as Amy takes you along her spiritual journey, where prayer journaling became her path to self-discovery and a deeper connection with God.
Lastly, be inspired to share your journey with others as we discuss the Be Yourself Journals for girls and boys, which assist young people in being authentic instead of the performance mentality that social media propagates.
Embark on this beautiful journey with us as we learn, grow, and deepen our faith through the power of prayer journaling.
Have you ever longed for a deeper, more personal connection with God? Picture yourself sitting down, pen in hand, guided by the insightful Amy Brooks, founder of Catholics Online, as we delve into the transformative power of prayer journaling.
Discover how Amy's prayer journaling helped her hear God's voice more clearly and seek his guidance during tumultuous times. Learn how to pour your heart's deepest desires, fears, and gratitude into a prayer journal, turning it into a sanctuary for your thoughts and feelings.
Amy offers a fresh perspective on St. Teresa of Avila's advice - "pay God a compliment when you ask big things from him." She shares how her own prayer journal became a safe space to dream big and pray boldly and, to her amazement, see her aspirations come to life years later.
Change how you perceive your prayer time as Amy takes you along her spiritual journey, where prayer journaling became her path to self-discovery and a deeper connection with God.
Lastly, be inspired to share your journey with others as we discuss the Be Yourself Journals for girls and boys, which assist young people in being authentic instead of the performance mentality that social media propagates.
Embark on this beautiful journey with us as we learn, grow, and deepen our faith through the power of prayer journaling.
Welcome to the Catholic Sobriety podcast, the go-to resource for women seeking to have a deeper understanding of the role alcohol plays in their lives, women who are looking to drink less or not at all for any reason. I am your host, christy Walker. I'm a wife, mom and a Joyfield Catholic, and I am the Catholic Sobriety coach, and I am so glad you're here. Welcome back, everyone. My guest today is Amy Brooks. Amy is the author of two books the Be Yourself Journal for Girls and the Be Yourself Journal for Boys. She is also the founder of Catholics Online. Amy taught junior, high and high school students for 14 years. Prayer journaling and praying with others are two of the ways that Amy navigated some really tough times in her young adult life. So now she encourages other to embrace these practices that provide comfort and joy amidst life's business and sometimes stressful stages. So I invited Amy on the podcast today to talk to us about prayer journaling.
Speaker 1:
Now I've been journaling since forever. Probably I might have gotten my first journal when I was like in third or fourth grade, and it wasn't a journal, it was like a dear diary with a lock on it and I would write down all the things and who my crushes were and all of that, and I would lock it carefully so that my little brother couldn't get it and go blabbing to everyone, but somehow he was able to, like jimmy, rig his way in there, but anyway. But as I got into my 20s, journaling also like Amy became a way for me just to make sense of things, like going out around me and make sense of the world. But then it soon evolved into prayer journaling and I found myself talking to God through my writing or praying with my pen, and I also discovered that that is the way I receive God's words.
Speaker 1:
For me a lot of times is through journaling and he also helps me communicate with others and works through me through writing, and I'm not the best, most amazing writer, but you know, when you're in that zone and God is working with you and through you, you just are able to, like, do things that you look back on and you're like, did I really write that? I can't, I can't believe it. So I'm so happy to have Amy here and I'm looking forward to our conversation today. So welcome Amy.
Speaker 2:
Thank you so much, Chrissy. Hi everyone, so great to be here.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I'm so. I know we've been talking about having you on the podcast for a while, so I'm so glad that we finally were able to connect and make it happen. But to get started, I would love it if you would just tell my listeners a little bit more about yourself and then share what prayer journaling means for you personally and how it's impacted your life as a whole.
Speaker 2:
Sure, you know, when you talked about your diary, it just brought a flashback of when I had a diary in like sixth grade. It was a cabbage patch kid diary.
Speaker 2:
It had like a popping cover and I think it's still my basement and I would write about. You know, I think I was 11 years old writing about the boy that I had a crush on, 12 years old. So I had that and then years went by and I didn't really journal at all. But what happened was in my 20s I started dating a guy who in his teenage years he started seeing a counselor because he attempted suicide and the counselor advised him to write things down.
Speaker 2:
And at the time I was teaching seventh and eighth grade and the first class of the day was religion and as a teacher in a Catholic school, the beginning of the day is collect these papers, take attendance, all this paperwork, while these 30 kids are sitting in front of you. So this idea dawned on me to just have them have a prayer journal, a notebook as a grade and I would say write the our father, I would put that on the board. So while I was taking attendance and collecting papers and all that administrative work, they were doing something and each marking period would come and I say, just bring it up page through real quick, because I tried to give them some privacy with it and I would give them 100 and they would have like an easy grade for that portion of their academic grade.
Speaker 2:
So I did that and then said boyfriend broke my heart and I found myself living in an apartment by myself. After all, my roommates got engaged and I had to find my own place and I started pulling out a notebook and writing letters to God and saying Dear Jesus, because, you know, I just felt so alone and that made me feel like I was God had to hear my prayer because I was writing it down like just writing letters to him. And what I realized through that was I ask God for a lot and I don't thank him that much. And it became clear when I started writing like how about you say hello, how about you say thank you, you know? So it really improved my awareness and gave me an outlet that you know is actually therapeutic. You know, writing things out For me I love prayer journaling because it slows me down and you know we read, be still and we live in such a fast paced world, so when we write our prayers we take more time to pray.
Speaker 2:
And also, having that notebook and that pen in my hand really gives you a feeling of nostalgia and, from what I've read, is nostalgia makes you feel joyful. It isn't like an upper, so, but I really. I used it when I was really sad, but then it also became a creative outlet for me. You know it's an excuse to color, to write a quote, to use stickers and I grew up same age, I don't know In the 80s we had sticker collections. I love stickers.
Speaker 1:
Me too, those stuck on sticker books that they had. Yes.
Speaker 2:
And it's like I love that. So for me, I'm not artistically inclined, but apparently writing is something that I am. Just I guess it's a predisposition I have that I've learned more in my adulthood that I do enjoy writing, so, yeah, so there's a lot of reasons and I think slowing down and becoming more aware of your relationship with Jesus through just writing letters and it really did help and it really is enjoyable. So now I share that with others.
Speaker 1:
I love that and I could relate with so much of what you said, and I love that it does help slow down because my brain is constantly going and not. I've also developed a habit of not just having my prayer journal, but I have what's called a commonplace journal, because I'll like hear quotes, or read something, or see something or you know whatever, or think of something, and I'll just write it down in a book just to capture it, because, okay, I'm almost 50. So it's in my head and then it's gone like as fast as anything. So if I write it down, then I capture it and then if I look back I'm like, oh, god wanted me to know this or he wanted me to save this for this reason. And I love that so much and it really does help us connect with God, because so often I hear women say I don't know how to hear God's voice, I don't know when he's speaking to me.
Speaker 1:
And for for me, like what you pointed out, amy, is that it's a very tangible way to look back and say, okay, this is God speaking to me and you know when it's not right, when it's like contrary, or when it's condemning or shaming or any of that, but when you hear God's voice through your writing or reread it, it's just, it just fills you with, like peace and confidence and clarity. I feel like so, something that I know some of my clients talk about, because I'm always recommending, like, can you journal this? Will you, you know, write it down? And some of them are like, nah, and that's not for me, I'm not a writer. So many people get stuck and then they feel disconnected, like during prayer journaling. So what advice could you offer somebody to overcome these obstacles, so that they can build a habit of journaling?
Speaker 2:
Oh yes, absolutely so. I even someone who enjoys writing. You don't always know it's right, but I love using prayer cards. You know, just copying a prayer can be prayer journaling. So then you're slowing down and you're looking at every phrase of the Lord's Prayer.
Speaker 2:
Or I remember, like my first prayer journal, I found a Saint Philomena Novena card, so I copied the back of it and then I glued the pretty picture of her on one page and the other page had her, the prayer that was written on the card. I just simply copied it and with a Novena Novena is something Catholics pray that's nine days in a row, most of the time, and you pray for one certain intention. What I found myself doing was I would pray a Novena and by the third or fourth day I was changing my intention. So you know that, in a way, I think, was God saying like I don't really think I have this man in your life for marriage. You know kind of thing if I was praying about something that personal. But also I thought, well, let me write down my intention, be more, you know, I guess, intentional with it, and then just every day, look at this and stay consistent. So it allowed me to really be more consistent in prayer.
Speaker 2:
And again, just picking up a prayer card and copying it is a way to slow yourself down and, you know, be with God, just spending that time. And they're not always your words, they're somebody else's words, so sometimes it can just be a quote. I find you know, I don't know, I'm still navigating. What is God saying to me? I often say you have to be. You know I'm dense God, you have to be giving any very specific yeah, so, but anytime, I've been pretty sure of her. God's voice is a very simple sentence. He doesn't speak in paragraphs. He says I will provide, trust me. Like very short, firm sentences.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yes, yeah. So I yeah that that's all so good and really great advice. And the prayer card thing you had mentioned it, I think, like in one of your reels or something about doing that, and I love buying journals, like I have a problem.
Speaker 1:
So, but the problem is but the problem is I buy these journals and then, you know, I get started writing in them and then I'm like no, I don't want to use it for that. And then it's like goes out the window or I'm like so intimidated to start writing that I like fudge it up. And then it's like, uh, so when I read that to get a prayer card of a saint or of Jesus or you know, of Mary and put that in there, and that's what I did, I did exactly what you said. I I got that prayer card, I wrote the prayer that was on the back of the prayer card on and then I was like, okay, it's not this blank abyss of, like you know, it kind of took some of that um, nervousness about getting started away. So I definitely love that tip for sure.
Speaker 2:
Yes, I noticed, I guess, in Facebook groups, a lot of people saying how do you start a prayer journal? I just I buy the book, I don't know what to do. I guess that was some um dilemma a lot of people had. So I just shared what I do and I I picture, I choose a picture of Jesus, it has to be Jesus for me and I put it on the first page. I just glue it on the first page and there you go, because, see, people seem to have anxiety about what do I do with that first page, and that solves that problem.
Speaker 1:
Okay, so I found this prayer journal that I don't know I've had for a while and I'm not I've gotten better at it, but I'm not great about going back and and reading my journal, but I know that when I've written something, um, sometimes I'll write out a prayer and then it'll come to fruition like years and years later, right, and then, um, but I don't always remember what journal it was in, I don't always. I just kind of remember like, oh, yeah, I wrote about that and I prayed about that. But I was going through, I was looking for something and I found this prayer journal and in it was an entry from like six years ago and and I talked about how I had heard something on. I was listening to Catholic answers and I heard a doctor on there. He was talking about, like um, catholics and recovery and sobriety and all that kind of things, and I was like, oh, that's, you know, it kind of got my my mind working, but I didn't really do anything about it. I just kind of was thinking about it.
Speaker 1:
And then later that day I was watching EWTN and I was watching the journey home and on it Scott Weeman, who is the founder of Catholic and recovery, was on it and he was talking about this apostolate that he started and all of this, and so I started journaling about it and I was like you know, I saw this on or I heard this on Catholic answers, and I was watching this and I was like God, I just feel like you're calling me to do something with this. Like I feel like you're calling me to share my um recovery story and the fact that I'm Catholic with other Catholics, and I'm like I don't know how you're going to do that, but I'm open, but you're going to have to guide me. Like all this stuff, right, and I put it away and I didn't really think much about it. I mean, I've always had this sense since then that God is calling me to something, but I didn't know what it was and I tried things and that didn't work. I tried something else that didn't work, but it wasn't, until I finally realized like no, god is actually asking you to work with Catholic women who are looking to get sober for any reason and those who are in recovery.
Speaker 1:
There's nobody really out there, no women especially out there, talking a lot about that and doing what I need you to do. And so that's when it was like, okay, you know, sometimes God has to beat me over the head with a knife or for me to like, be like, oh, that's what you're saying. But then, when I looked back at that journal, I'm like I prayed about this. He gave me exactly what I asked for and, and like, left those holy breadcrumbs. I like to call them for me to follow, to start doing what I'm doing now. No-transcript. Do you have an experience like that with prayer journaling where it did help you hear God's voice and receive guidance from Him?
Speaker 2:
So I think that God's time is not our time. And so you mentioned, so I wrote this journal for girls, for Catholic girls, and in my very first prayer journal it was like in my 20s I wrote I turned to the back one day and I said you know what? I'm going to write a book and it's going to be a bestseller. And I wrote this outline for Be Yourself. It wasn't published for 17 years later is when I was published, because I was a teacher. I wasn't writing a book. There was no, but I just had this idea. And then, after I became a mom and I started blogging and I met certain people, a light bulb went off and I said, wow, I had this idea and I found it.
Speaker 2:
The fact that I still had that prayer journal, I think is a miracle. Yeah, I was 17 years old, so that and you know I was going through a lot of struggles with loneliness and I had gotten this book. You're going to laugh, you're going to have an argument. With that. It might be very hard to judge me. All you want. It's like how to make someone fall in love with you.
Speaker 2:
And then the first chapter was like you should write out who you want to be your spouse, and it gave very specific details. You know things that I would have never thought of, like right, how he votes, right, how tall, so he is, right, his age. I wrote and I had these on like papers. I don't know if I pulled it out of a book or just wrote it, but I wrote about three children and I have three children. So, yeah, I went looking for that recently. I was like I know I wrote and I found it. I think I had. The gender is a little mixed up, but still the personalities I described are there and it's really cool, it's pretty neat. So I just always think St Teresa of Avalos as you pay God a compliment when you ask big things from him, and I think your journal is a very safe place to dream big and pray big and allow yourself that imagination and that dreaming and give it to God. It's a very like you said, a tangible way to give your heart to God, definitely.
Speaker 1:
I love that so much. I love that you said that it's a safe place to dream big and just pray boldly and ask for whatever it is. And that's when I have done that.
Speaker 1:
I did the same thing with my husband as well, like before, I was like writing all of it, these very specific things, thinking there's no way, there's anybody anywhere like this and I mean I guess God had him for me. But yeah, you can just kind of just do it and not feel like super attached to it because you're just dreaming with God. And then when it does, when something does fall within his will, and you realize that it was your heart's desire, a desire that God placed on your heart. You know, it's just like it just fills you with so much gratitude and I think he just uses that as a way to just show his glory to us even more Like I love you. You are my daughter. I want to give you what you desire, if it's within my will, because I pray for a lot of things that I am so glad God did not like give me, but those things that he has for us, it's just so, so beautiful to look back and see that. That's why I love journaling, because even if you don't think that you're a great writer or anything, you're just talking to God. You're just having a conversation. It shouldn't be like.
Speaker 1:
Some of my journals are horrible handwriting. Some of them I tried a little harder. Some of them are the spelling. Sometimes I write just so fast because I don't know how to spell it where I'm not. You know, there's no spell check, but nobody cares. God doesn't care. So it doesn't have to be perfect, it's just you talking to the Lord.
Speaker 2:
I listened to an author speak. He's a pediatrician. He wrote the collapse of parenting. I forget his last name, but he was talking about our culture today and how boys are different. But girls will pretty much post everything on social media, but they're not like when we were young, we would go in our room and write on our diary. Well, now what? They're replacing a diary with an Instagram or TikTok post. And he said one is living and one is performing. So, as adults living in the same culture, we're scrolling, we're posting. You know, we have to understand that it's important to have something that isn't a performance, that isn't for others, that is private and allows us to think and work things out, and I think that's really important to bring up today, because we live in the performance culture.
Speaker 1:
Yes.
Speaker 2:
And we're performing. We're not living.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and you're not being authentic. We're not being authentic when we're putting things out and sometimes people go the opposite way and they're like so vulnerable and they're so out there with it, but yet it's still for something right, it's still for a reaction, it's still for they're seeking something. By putting that out there and with having this private prayer journal or you know journals that we have, it's not we don't have to put on airs, we don't have to be anybody who we're not. We're just us with God, sharing our you know our joys, our sorrows, our gratitude, our needs, all of that. So that's such a good point, amy, especially for young people, and that's why it's so great that you have these beautiful journals that you've created for young people, so that they have this outlet to go ahead and create and not feel like they have to put it out for anybody. It's just for them and it's just for God.
Speaker 2:
So yeah, especially with young people. They cannot, you can't hand them a blank journal. They have no idea what to write, so they need some kind of guidance. So I tried to make it fun and enjoyable, relevant to them, but also helpful, especially today with identity being questioned.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, yes, and that is such. That's something that we that all of us need to really reflect on and think about. So why don't you go ahead and talk about a little bit what is in your journal that you created for girls and boys and how, like, why it's in there, how it will help them just discern and, yeah, just kind of be kids and be real?
Speaker 2:
So the whole reason why I wrote the Be Yourself Journal is because I guess in like seventh grade I played soccer. I played tennis with a lot of girls that were in my class at school and they were very cool and I did not fit in with them. So I went to my mom and often sad and confused and bummed, and I just said I don't understand why they're not my friends or they don't like me, and she said just be yourself. And walked away. Pretty much that's my memory of it. I was the oldest of five. She probably had a baby on her hip and I just remember thinking I don't know what that means and I don't know who that is. So basically, and the girls, one was written first. I just wrote kind of the advice that I wish I had gotten. But also at that time we had something that we called slam box in seventh grade and it was just like a binder of theme paper and the first page had your name and it was like one to 24 and everybody will pick a number, and then next page you break your birthday and then eventually you were writing your favorite actor, your favorite movie, your favorite song, favorite color, and we thought that was so much fun, so I combined that with the advice I needed. So it's just looking at.
Speaker 2:
It starts out, the girls journal. Starts out talking about creation and how God created the whole world for us to enjoy and he created us to serve and love him. And I said you know why don't we just stop that? He created the whole world for us to enjoy before we're worried about how we're serving God, think about that one thing the whole world is for us to enjoy. You know, some people might like to zip line, other people like to lay on the beach. So there's like a game. Would you rather? And I asked would you rather goes target or pick flowers? Would you rather, and all these different things you can do in God's creation, to enjoy God's creation? And just so they can notice, my answer may not be someone else's answer. I am unique, so it starts out like that, but I also have some saints in.
Speaker 2:
There was just some advice that I mean honestly I can still use today. St Catherine, drexel Drexel said peacefully, do it each moment what needs to be done. St Teresa of Calcutta said never worry about numbers. Help one person at a time. Start with the person closest to you. You're just real solid advice that you can use, especially when you're trying to figure out oh, what am I going to be when I grow up? Am I going to cure cancer? Am I going to be this great doctor? No, just help one person at a time. Start with the person closest to you. And yeah, so I have St Catherine of Siena in there, I have St Maria Gretti in there just incredible role models and advice that someone maybe who's aged 12 or 13, is really looking for but doesn't know how to word the question.
Speaker 2:
So after that came out, everyone's like where's the police journal? So I talked to a friend of mine, mark, who teaches theology, and he said girls write lists, boys make plans. So I I took his advice and I had a lot of help from the published, the original publisher, jerry. When Lee D'Ast, who's written about 25 books himself and it again, is discovering who you are and who is God calling you to be? He's calling you to be a peacemaker, a fisher of men. And what does that mean and how can you be humble and why should you be humble? And I used other resources. You know the manual for spiritual warfare is an adult book. I took a quote out of that and again try to make it relevant to a 12 year old boy, but also helpful.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that is so good. So now I think I've seen do you do people use these as like I don't know, just like groups? Do the girls Did I see that somewhere where you'll do it like as a book study or something?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, well, I, I created a be yourself journal club digital guide because a lot of it like I said was part of it was based on things that we did together. We would pass a book around and talk about our favorite this or favorite that. So, yeah, some prayer journaling is private, but the way this is set up, especially if you want to kind of jumpstart their use of it, the best way to do that with a seventh grade year old girls to get their friends in on it, you know, because everything is social. So the very first, I've done at least one session with a lot of groups of girls where we just the back cover is blank on purpose so that they can design their back cover. So that's something I've done with them as a group and I recently wrote the whole club so I really could have five to seven sessions where there's activities in here that they can do, where they talk about their favorite movies, app, I don't know what else like my 80s person's gonna come out TV show do they have a TV show? You know, music, band, boy, band and it gives them an opportunity to pray for those celebrities that they like.
Speaker 2:
And I even recently started buying magazines because we used to have magazines, you know. We used to put posters on the wall and I don't know how much they have that anymore. But I found a Taylor Swift magazine, you know, and I'm collecting them so that when I do go places I'll be like here cut out somebody you admire and you can glue it in there and say a little prayer for them. So, yeah, a lot of crafty things are in the girls. The boys, I've noticed actually boys actually do like the colors. So there are two coloring pages in it.
Speaker 2:
But somebody pointed out there's a wreck, this journal series. So I put like a wreck this page activity book where they can get honey and put it on their mud, find a mustard seed, glue a nail on there. You know all things that are relevant. So things like that, yeah, different activities that I think would be appealing to that age group. I think most people that bought it at first might have been homeschoolers or just bought it for in-home use, and girls have told me they have two copies, so it is something that they don't really need to jumpstart some girls. But I've also been suggesting to do this in groups and I brought it to a confirmation retreat last year too.
Speaker 1:
So oh, that's so great. I love that. And, like you said, if you just give them a blank journal, then sometimes they get a little intimidated by that. But this kind of jump starts them because as they work through your journal, then when they do pick up a blank journal, then they have ideas of things that they do wanna put in there or that they do want to, you know, make a beautiful. You know they find a scripture quote and they just wanna make it all beautiful and bubbly and colorful in their journal and yeah, I think it's so great. So journaling, prayer journaling for adults, prayer journaling for kids, you know I just can't recommend it highly enough.
Speaker 2:
And yeah, I should add, like the girls journal has like 20 coloring pages and even with adults it's an opportunity to color. And there's all those adult coloring books out because it's something that's meditative and relaxing and so you can incorporate that into your prayer journaling too.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And then one last thing like some people don't know when or where, and honestly, right now my life is a lot different. I have three kids, you know, but I might take a journal with me to Eucharistic Adoration and sit in the chapel and do it then. So, yeah, you know, it's not something that I do every day, that's for sure. And, mark, you know, probably when I was going through a rough time I used it more often, but that's okay.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, it's always there for you to use it, however or whenever you want. Like I just I have one in my bedside table and it's not something that I do every day, because I write, I'm constantly creating content, so I just feel like that's another thing, but it's there when I do want to, or I need to, or you know. I'm just inspired to, like you need to write this thought down that you keep having over and over and over again. You need to get it out.
Speaker 1:
And yeah, I just think it's such a beautiful way to connect with God and talk to God, and a lot of times, as I'm a cradle Catholic I don't know if you are, but we're so used to praying, you know, like the rope prayers or whatever that you know the Hail Mary, the our Father, and so it can be for me. It can be very difficult to just off the cuff sometimes come up with a prayer, but I feel like prayer journaling has helped me with that, because I'm realizing you're just having a conversation with God, you're just putting out your petitions, your gratitude, your you know, and all of that.
Speaker 2:
So Great, just simply writing five things you're grateful for. That happened that day and even a lot of times lately. I've been just opening the Bible, reading it and then copying something that I'm like I like that or I want to remember that, and I'll just copy that scripture quote yeah, yeah, that's so good.
Speaker 1:
Well, Amy, thank you so much for being here and for sharing these amazing tips and encouraging all of us to prayer journal. So why don't you go ahead and let people know where they can find your book? I will have links to that in my show notes, but go ahead and let them know where they can find you.
Speaker 2:
Well, you can find the Be Yourself journals on Amazon. The publisher is our Sunday visitor. You can find more information about what I do at CatholicInfluencerscom, but I also have a blog called Prayer.
Speaker 1:
Wine.
Speaker 2:
Chocolate, so you can find things there too.
Speaker 1:
Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2:
Amy.
Speaker 1:
Oh, thank you, Christy, it was so great. We'll talk to you again soon. Sounds great. Bye, buddy, bye. Well, that does it for this episode of the Catholic Sobriety Podcast. I hope you enjoyed this episode and I would invite you to share it with a friend, who might also get value from it as well, and make sure you subscribe so you don't miss a thing. I am the Catholic Sobriety Coach, and if you would like to learn how to work with me or learn more about the coaching that I offer, visit my website, thecatholicsobrietycoachcom. Follow me on Instagram at theCatholicSobrietyCoach. I look forward to speaking to you next time, and remember I am here for you, I am praying for you, you are not alone. I'm and I will beside you.