Let That Shift Go
Welcome to "Let That Shift Go," a podcast hosted by siblings Lena and Noel. Join them on their journey of self-awareness as they delve into meaningful conversations about the human experience.
Lena and Noel have decided to break free from the confines of private discussions and bring their heartfelt, and at times, humorous conversations to the public. They believe that we are all going through the trials and tribulations of life, and it's comforting to know that we're not alone.
In each episode, Lena and Noel will explore various aspects of being human, sharing personal stories, insights, and lessons they've learned along the way. From navigating relationships to dealing with challenges, they'll offer a refreshing perspective on life's ups and downs.
Through candid and authentic conversations, "Let That Shift Go" aims to create a safe space for listeners to relate, reflect, and find solace in the shared human experience. Lena and Noel invite you to join them as they embrace change, growth, and let go of what no longer serves them.
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Let That Shift Go
Shift Your Judgment: Embracing Empathy and Compassion for Deeper Connections
Have you ever wondered why we often feel the need to be right, even at the cost of our relationships? Join us on this episode of "Let that Shift Go" as Noel and Lena tackle the challenging topic of judgment, inspired by their own experiences and a recent retreat with Alok Appadurai. We kick off with an engaging activity using skin deep cards from the healing edition, sharing our dreams for breathwork retreats and family healing vacations. Reflecting on a past conflict during a hike in Sedona, we underscore the importance of respecting boundaries and self-awareness, setting the stage to explore how judgment stems from a belief that we are right and others are wrong.
Navigating these tumultuous times, we provide practical tools for recognizing and addressing judgmental tendencies, fostering empathy, and shifting towards a heart-centered understanding. By pausing, reflecting, and truly listening to differing viewpoints, we emphasize the value of mutual understanding over the need to win an argument. We delve into the roots of our judgmental behaviors, discussing how self-reflection and compassionate listening can pave the way for healthier interactions and deeper connections. Tune in to discover how embracing empathy and humor can bridge divides and enrich your relationships in today's polarized world.
Hello and welcome to the Let that Shift Go podcast. I'm Noel.
Speaker 2:And I'm Lina.
Speaker 1:And this is where we talk about the good, the bad and all the shift in between.
Speaker 2:We just talk mad shift.
Speaker 1:Let's get into it. And on this week's episode, how do you know if you're being judgmental?
Speaker 2:Yeah, how do you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a tough one. It's not as easy to recognize as we think.
Speaker 2:Nope, and it's a good topic for the times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly. But first let's get into these skin deep cards. This one is from the healing edition. All right, you want to go first? I'll go first.
Speaker 2:I'll go first.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 1:In an ideal world what would we be doing? More of Big breathwork retreats, yeah, and spreading that gift and helping people to find you know themselves, remember where they're at. And I think one of the things I talked about was like trying to create family vacations where we, you know, travel together and make a different commitment to each other, calling it an obligation, where we, you know, recommit to healing and stopping the generational trauma that's become culture in our lives, where we have those unspoken things kind of like you and me, where we didn't we were able to fill the context of what our experiences was of our mom and our dad and how different that was, yeah, and what we thought and we were jealous of this and that, and so just creating an obligation where we go on and have fun and express ourselves and just trying to create Like a sibling.
Speaker 1:Reconnect, family reconnect, yeah, and just trying to create a sibling reconnect, family reconnect with an intentional focus of being able to talk, yeah, even if it's just siblings that go to this retreat two siblings or a whole family mom and dad, kids but just a space where family members can kind of reconnect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, intentional healing, yeah, yeah, I like that kind of reconnect, yeah.
Speaker 1:Intentional healing, yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2:So mine is what's the hidden gift of our biggest conflict? The hidden gift of our biggest conflict, I mean, you know, over the span of our lives we've had conflicts.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Although not a lot, probably a lot as kids. But I would say the conflict that I think about is when we went hiking in Sedona and you and Armando insisted on going to Devil's Bridge after sunset and I was insistently saying I think it's going to be too dark and I don't want to go any further. And, um, you know, at that time you were like, nah, you gotta go. You know, you just gotta. You gotta trust. You can't trust me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:I had a whole story the whole story.
Speaker 2:And then you know, lo and behold, you guys go up, it's dark, and I turned around yeah, it was totally unsafe, totally unsafe.
Speaker 1:It's devil's Bridge in Sedona and we just took off way too late and I just had full confidence we're going to make it, because it was like moonlight and stars. It was beautiful out there but it wasn't dangerous and I didn't realize how dark it gets when you're that far from people.
Speaker 1:And I was imagining all the things, yeah, and the story in my head was I was like I'm going to keep you safe and I was imagining all the things you know, yeah, and the story in my head was I was like, well, I'm going to keep you safe and I'm going to keep you safe, but the biggest gift that came from that was really I really got to see how I was pushing you into something that you didn't want to do and I was being that, you know, masculine and overpowering and not being safe, masculine where I was, you know, operating from compassion and understanding where you were at and not trying to bring you where I was at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think that was a good, although it was painful and it was uncomfortable. I think we both got something out of that. One was I need to listen to myself.
Speaker 1:And when.
Speaker 2:I say I'm not going to do something. I just need to, at that point, not make it personal and just be like I'm out and not be to do something. I just need to, at that point, not make it personal and just be like I'm out and not be like, oh, I don't want him to think, I don't think he's safe or I don't want him to think I don't trust him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, that was all the stories that were going to go and I was like doesn't she trust me?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it wasn't about that, no, and so me and Mondo were just having fun and we went up and there was a certain part where it was pretty sketch and you had to climb up like free climbing and it was a fall if you would fall. And so you said I'm not going up there. And I was like, okay, well, you stay right here. And you're like, okay, I'm not going up there, I'll stay right here. And then me and Mondo went up and when we came back and you, this unsafe trail calling out Lena, lena, and I just felt terrible because I was like what did I just do? Because I just wanted to have my experience.
Speaker 1:You know, what I mean, and so I learned that was a big yeah, that was our last big conflict.
Speaker 2:That was a big conflict and a big lesson quickly learned.
Speaker 1:All right, well, so let's get into this topic about judgment. How do you know if you're being judgmental?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this comes out of. We just got back from a weekend retreat with Transcendence and a big, beautiful event with Alok Apadurai, who's one of the leading consciousness leader of leaders, and so one part of this retreat was this statement on judgment, and he said judgment how do you know you're in judgment? Anytime you think you're right and someone else is wrong, period, you're in judgment. And I thought, wow, that is bold and true, and so you know. Coming back, I thought this would be a great topic, because we're all in periods where we're judging someone, judging ourselves, but oftentimes we're completely unaware of it, and this podcast is about being aware and conscious, and so I thought this was a great subject to bring up. So, defining judgment right.
Speaker 2:So anytime that you think you are right and someone else is wrong, period you are in judgment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you find yourself trying to convince them that you're right, you know because I find myself in there Anytime I'm trying to convince.
Speaker 2:I find myself trying to defend myself kind of a thing too, because the only time you have to convince is if you think someone else is wrong and you want to be right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So there it is. That's pretty simple.
Speaker 1:And that's not coming from a place of awareness.
Speaker 2:if you're pushing through that, no, no, and there are some different ways of defining judgment. Like what is judgment versus discernment?
Speaker 2:So, discernment is oh, that's probably not a good decision for me and I'm discerning that. But judgment is like you're assigning value good or bad, right or wrong and often that's based on our own subjective experiences, our biases or our emotions, our own programming from childhood, from whatever and it's a rigid way of thinking and it leaves no room for understanding or compassion. So when we go into that, we're going to be trying to convince someone else to think the way that we do, to behave the way that we do, and in some way we're making whatever they think or the way that they're behaving wrong.
Speaker 1:Well, and I was doing with that, backing up a little bit on that devil's bridge my judgment to you was like why is she just being she's kind of being weak right now? We're on this vacation and we're all in and we're exploring and we're trying to be bold and all this stuff and do this self-healing Like why is she being afraid right now? Doesn't she trust me? Those are all my judgments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're trying to convince me why you were right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was like we're right here. You know what I mean. I've got my cell phone as a flashlight. You know it's got plenty of battery. I've still got signal. All the things. I had all these stories and I was trying to convince you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you were in judgment.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I should have been in my discernment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, definitely well, as discernment, on the other hand, is the ability to make informed choices. So it's based on values and principles, but it's without the need to label or condemn the other person right, so that's wrong to make them wrong yeah, it's just being able to just stand back and observe what's happening, like we talk about all the time.
Speaker 2:Is it connecting with that observer and just, you know, letting it be like okay, this is based on my values, my own discernment. That thing, whatever it is that we're discussing doesn't work for me. But it doesn't make you wrong. Yeah, it's just that's not for me.
Speaker 1:And that's a great way to to to express that to another person. Yeah, because often in conversations when we throw it as a judgment, like, hey, why don't you want to do this? Like, come on, you're just being weak. That's not discernment, that's a straight up judgment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's rigid right and you're not giving the other person the ability to just choose whatever the experiences they want to have, and I mean, you think about it in the current political climate right now. We're Republican versus Democrat, all of those things, and we're often judging the other because, they don't believe the way we believe. Why can't they just see this thing? That's a perfect example of how probably many of us are in some sort of judgment right now.
Speaker 2:And instead, whatever your beliefs are, those are based on your own childhood, your culture, whatever that is, but not leaving room for the other person to have their experience.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And where is that going to lead? You know it's going to lead to a lot of like division between family members, friends, all of that and it's I don't know, it's not necessary and it does nothing for the relationship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean because I struggle with that, with social media, especially on the Facebook platform. And there's a lot of friends and family that post, whatever their political beliefs are, but on either mostly, I would say on the Republican side, it's mostly just the negative posts about. This person is terrible, or Kamala this and this.
Speaker 2:Both sides do that yeah.
Speaker 1:I know, but in my specific feed. Oh, that's because your feed your algorithm my algorithm pulls that in and my thing was like well, I don't mind that you, that you your your specific candidate. I would just would prefer you would tell me why I should vote for your candidate, not just tell me all the bad things about the person I shouldn't, because that's not making me go.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is, whoever's writing the ads is also in judgment, because that's making one person right and one person wrong.
Speaker 1:So it's stemming from that right away.
Speaker 2:They're not looking for discernment, you're looking for judgment. So that is going to lead to nothing but separation and conflict. So those are the differences, the difference between judgment and discernment, and we really want to stay more in discernment because, it leaves a little more flexibility. It leaves more room for compassion, it leaves more room for you know, to be able to have a discussion.
Speaker 1:Internally. Yeah, All of those start internally, right? Yeah, you know leaving room for that stuff, Because in a discussion that can't get there unless you're feeling that internally, I think.
Speaker 2:Well, discernment aligns with a conscious self-aware. You know way of living and that, and and it. Discernment seeks connection, not disconnection. So that's the difference, judgment versus discernment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like understanding. They had their own experience and they have their own unique desires.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know if you're asking questions, you know to understand, from from a place of compassion, just to get a viewpoint. That's much better than just trying to judge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause if you're really seeking to understand, to understand, the questions are much different, and actually there's questions instead of convincing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so anytime you're trying to convince somebody. Yeah, that's the judging part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, If you're trying to convince somebody that you're right and they're wrong, you are in judgment period. There's no way around that. So the invitation is to maybe take the way of discernment rather than judgment, because it's going to lead to less of that separation.
Speaker 2:So here I love the signs that you're being judgmental, so you're feeling superior or inferior. So when you start comparing yourself to someone else in a way that makes you feel better or worse, you're judging. You could be judging them or you could be judging yourself. Right, yeah, labeling. So if you're putting somebody into a category like they're right and I'm wrong, then that's based on your own perspective.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I do this all the time.
Speaker 2:We all do it all the time yeah.
Speaker 1:So is it just being aware that you're doing it, so you can then be discerning.
Speaker 2:Well, what's the reason we do any of this? It's because to become aware right of things, and judgment is one of the major ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's just to start asking yourself different questions and if you can basically just go into that statement, if you're making you think you're right and someone else is wrong, you're in judgment. Boom. Now there's a moment to be able to pause and reflect.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, like what's going on? I'm taking a step here because I'm like okay, I'm about to try to convince this person, I'm right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What am I judging?
Speaker 2:Yep, and that's the next one is needing to be right. If you feel like you need to prove your point. You got to convince someone else that your way is the only correct way. You're in judgment. You're in judgment, so here's some questions.
Speaker 1:When was the last time I felt the need to be right in a conversation. Right now, right now, I want to be right about this. Even talking about Facebook posts, I want to be right about this.
Speaker 2:You want to be right right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Public service announcement that I want to say. Please stop posting the negatives. I want you to please just tell me the positives of why I should vote for whoever you think I should vote for.
Speaker 2:Well, how do you feel when other people disagree with you?
Speaker 1:How do I feel when people disagree with me? I mean Initially that they don't trust my opinion. I guess.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, yeah, they don't trust. Oh yeah, I can attest to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, right Boy, that walk is going to come up Devil's Bridge. Yeah, I crossed a bridge there.
Speaker 2:You did cross a bridge.
Speaker 1:I definitely crossed a bridge.
Speaker 2:I thought I burned a bridge, but okay.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought I burned a bridge, you know.
Speaker 2:The other question to ask yourself is are you open to understanding someone else's perspective, even if it challenges your own?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a big one, you know, because that's where you have to sit down and just kind of be open and vulnerable to hearing the other side.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we all see the effects of what judgment does to create distance in relationships. Think about, like we talked about political, now we're coming back, coming into election season, you're going to see a lot of Facebook unfriending I'm not coming to your party, I'm not coming to the family function or whatever it is that judgment is creating more distance and division, and so that's going to take an emotional toll on all of us, on yourself, on your family members Right before the holidays.
Speaker 1:This is planned. It's so awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, less presents to buy.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's why people we're going to get that classic post on Facebook or Instagram I'm trying to weed out friends and I'm no longer going to. You know, if you don't respond to this, I'm going to be able to know that you're not no longer active and think, whatever that you know that chain email sent to 10 other friends and whatever it's like. I feel like that's coming soon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it is. I think the last time I deleted Facebook, probably during the last election time that's when I believe it.
Speaker 1:I know we were in the hotel room.
Speaker 2:And now I don't know what's going on with family members outside of the state anymore.
Speaker 1:But when we're at the retreat this week we were in the hotel room and every commercial was like political. It was like, oh man, we're just bombarded. I was like I can't even watch anything.
Speaker 2:I can't watch King of Queens because there's commercials and it's so toxic.
Speaker 1:Judgment or discerning.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, so we can't just be like all right, here's what's happening.
Speaker 1:We need to.
Speaker 2:we need to give people tools right, cause we are going to need tools Once you figure out oh shoot, I am indefinitely judging someone else's reaction or their, whatever it is. So what do I do? So the one thing is when you realize that you are in judgment when you think someone else is wrong and you're right.
Speaker 2:You're in judgment, boom Right. So what do you do? So the thing is, you want to pause and you want to reflect and ask yourself is this am I judging right now? Yes, yeah, yeah, and you want to check in with yourself. Am I being judgmental, self, am I being judgmental? That's going to give this beat the ability to be maybe respond instead of react, which is always kind of. The goal is to be able to respond in a way that you're proud of, not a reaction that you regret.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also taking a, you know, attuning to how you feel in your body, you know what I mean. Like are you revved up right now? Am I angry?
Speaker 2:Are you activated Am?
Speaker 1:I activated, yeah, or am I kind, of you know, calm.
Speaker 2:Are you clenching?
Speaker 1:your fists. Yeah, look, I mean really, you can look at your body language. Yeah, look at your body language. Really a self scan.
Speaker 2:Look how your breathing starts to get rapid and shallow Right. So it's just like pause and reflect To be response-able. Response-able. The next one practice empathy. That's just really trying to see the situation from someone else's point of view.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shift perspective and try to watch it from their movie. Yeah, I think that's something that we don't do very often is really try to step back and see it from their perspective. And we talk a lot about active listening, and most times we don't do that, because I want to get my point across. You know what I mean and I'm trying to convince them of what I am thinking and how I'm feeling and I'm not really listening to what they're saying and so it's not coming from a place of compassion or understanding or listening.
Speaker 2:No empathy.
Speaker 1:No, because I'm just waiting for them to stop so that I can convince them to shift the pendulum back to my side of the argument, where I'm starting to win.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's the opposite of trying to see the situation from their perspective.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So, as hard as that can be, because we want to be right, it's just try to see like. I wonder why they would feel that way. I wonder what environment they've been in that they think that's okay, or you know, whatever it is, whatever the situation may be, is just trying to step into the other person's shoes and see it from their perspective, that's that's going to be number two.
Speaker 1:We heard something this weekend and he phrased it a little different. Alok said something about being in a state, but I would like to call it like a head state or a gut state. You need to get into your heart state. Heart state. There you go. Yeah, because I just really feel like when you're in your head analyzing, where am I? Am I in my head right now or in my heart? Yeah, am I in my?
Speaker 2:heart. Heart's going to make it a little bit easier to be empathetic and try to see it from their perspective. The other thing that's really big. I think this is the biggest one and the one that we've been really kind of alluding to is release the need to be right.
Speaker 1:Just let it go Be okay with losing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's more like you want to focus on understanding rather than winning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there is no winning and losing. I want to understand. Yeah, there is no winning and losing. I want to understand. Yeah, no one's going to win. No, if there's a winner, there's two losers.
Speaker 2:Right Focus on the understanding. In fact, if you really want someone to see your perspective, if you can widen the space and let them know they're heard, they might be more willing to listen to you. But it's just releasing that need to be right and we all know when we're trying to do that.
Speaker 1:And you can ask them. It's almost like the act of listening, like asking them a deepening question about what their perspective is.
Speaker 2:Or like saying what I hear you saying is this that you feel that way, you think this is okay, or because of that. Is that right? Yes, okay. What I want to know is what led you to that? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what is the benefit of that and just seek to understand. So let go of needing to be right and instead you want to seek to understand, whatever the situation is Maybe.
Speaker 1:My first instinct is that if I do that, then they may convince me to be on their side. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:But we all want you know what you want, to be able to be wrong. That's the definition of growth is being willing to be wrong.
Speaker 1:That's where the vulnerability is. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's how you're able to grow. I mean, how beautiful would it be if you gained a perspective and you're like, wow, actually that's true, and maybe there's something that I don't know.
Speaker 1:Man. This weekend I learned so many different things just because I was willing to listen to a different perspective.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I felt like I knew a lot of this stuff. I've been in this health and wellness field for three years now, trying to figure out like what-.
Speaker 2:Who am I? What am I doing? Who am I what?
Speaker 1:am I doing? And I was blown away by a different perspective because this was a different type of event that I've ever been to Big shifts. It was some big shifts. Yeah so just being willing to be wrong or not even wrong, but just it's just a different way to look at the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah to listen, yeah To just listen, the one that I think is probably easy for us and maybe one of the easiest ones to just slip into is just use humor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, without the sarcasm, because that's where I go. Yeah, yeah, that's my go-to.
Speaker 2:Sarcasm is just veiled anger yeah, so just humor. It's like lighten the situation just acknowledging that we all have judgments yeah, right, but we can also laugh at ourselves and we can grow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, if we can just slip a little bit of humor in there, it just kind of de-escalates any situation by just inserting a little humor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but making sure that it's not at the expense of the person you're talking about.
Speaker 2:No, talking with, I should say no, yeah, not at the expense of the other person. That's sarcasm. And the other thing is really just to encourage people like just start small, you know it doesn't. You don't need to go into like politics or like you know big, big topics. You can just start with a small thing about like why do you like decaf? Because you know, if I hear somebody order decaf, I'm like why bother? That's my judgment. You're wrong. Why would somebody drink coffee and drink decaf? Start with something like that. Like I want to know, like, why do you? Why do you drink decaf? Like do you just enjoy the flavor or you know, just something that's that's non, that's benign.
Speaker 1:I mean the big things like for me. I was thinking about, like you know, having the discussion with my dad or our dad and trying to, you know, have all these judgments about him right. But, just like you said, I've kind of given up on kind of judging him and telling him and trying to convince him to be a different way. We talked about that a lot this weekend on this road trip. That was so fabulous to fill in those gaps, but it was like I don't need to do that anymore.
Speaker 2:No, just understand. Where is he coming from? Yeah, and I was.
Speaker 1:I was more from the place of like dude. I would like to go on a trip back to the Philippines with you and show me where you grew up, and that would help me better to understand where you came from, why you did the things you did.
Speaker 2:Why you do the things you do.
Speaker 1:Because that would give me more compassion and all those things, rather than just kind of like you're a jerk.
Speaker 2:Why can't you just see it in this way?
Speaker 1:Why are you still doing the same patterns? And it's like, yeah, that's where the generational trauma keeps going.
Speaker 2:And the divide gets wider. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And, quite frankly, I don't want to spend the last you know golden years of my relationship with my father like trying to convince him of anything, cause then I'm stepping back going. I'm really just judging my dad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it limits your ability to see the bigger picture.
Speaker 1:What's the bigger picture?
Speaker 2:Of what his experience was, what anybody else's experience is or was, of what his experience was, what anybody else's experience is or was Well.
Speaker 1:I think the bigger picture is that everybody else has. Everybody on this planet has their own thoughts, wants, needs.
Speaker 2:We're all in a different movie theater watching our own movie and we're the star of the show. You know, so just understand that you're in different movie theaters, having a different experience, and so when we can come from grace and from compassion, it makes it a little bit easier and just I think the big one is letting go of the need to be right, you know that's one thing I learned a long time ago. Now I get it.
Speaker 1:Competitiveness is it's healthy right, but I mean to to, not in this case, you know. No no, I don't know. I think taking trying to.
Speaker 2:Because if you're in competitiveness, then that is a whole nother thing. That's like, even if I think you're right, I'm gonna want to make you wrong so I can be one up Like that's not really, it's not being competitive with it, or I wanna be right more times than you are.
Speaker 1:Then I don't think it's a conscious, I think it's a subconscious feel need to be right or be ahead. Or I think it's a subconscious need to be right or be ahead. Or you don't want to be wrong, because then you look dumb. I'm not smart, oh and that's a story that's 100% your responsibility. Yeah, that's a self-judgment. That's your responsibility. That's a mirror the other person's, like what I just like decaf you know, the reality is the self-judgment is why we're doing all that external judgment.
Speaker 2:Because most times, whatever we're judging in that other person is the thing that we most fear in ourselves. Yeah, it's usually something that is like something an unmet need in you, things like that, A lot of that. When you start doing a little bit of self-exploration, you might find that you're in comparison and those are things that are kind of maybe a gateway or a portal to deepening your understanding of yourself in those situations.
Speaker 1:And why I was so angry that they had a different perspective.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And listening from compassion really gives you the ability to kind of move freely in that conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know that's. The invitation is just to ask yourself those questions. If you're needing to be right and make someone else wrong, you're in judgment period, and what are the things that you can do to strengthen the relationships you have instead of increasing the divide, especially with the current climate and the things that we're all dealing with? So the invitation is just to practice some self-reflection, pause, reflect, use humor and just seek to understand rather than to judge and be right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:All right, that's been another episode of Let that Shift Go podcast. I'm Noel and I'm Lena.
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