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Somatic Healing for Wellness-Focused Women
Welcome to the Somatic Healing Podcast! — a personal growth space for sensitive, ambitious, soulful women who are ready to move beyond anxiety, burnout, and perfectionism… and come home to themselves through the wisdom of the body.
Anxiety isn’t just in your mind — it lives in your body. This podcast shows you how to release it, while exploring the intersection of somatics, creativity, wellness, and spirituality. We move beyond people-pleasing and self-doubt and into a life led by inner safety, clarity, and truth.
Hosted by Rae, a certified Breathwork Facilitator, Somatic Coach & Therapist, Sound Healer, and Flower Essence Guide each episode offers: nervous system regulation tools, mindfulness & spirituality insights, somatic breathwork practices, emotional processing and integration tools, creative expression as a path to wholeness, and real talk about anxiety, healing, and becoming who you truly are.
Rae is a podcaster, writer, creative, and guide on a mission to help women release stored emotions and reclaim their wholeness by reconnecting to the wisdom of the body.
Tune in exactly as you are — and leave feeling more grounded, more inspired, and more you.
Somatic Healing for Wellness-Focused Women
(#99) Spiritual Codependency & Authentic Healing: Boundaries, Bypassing, and Inner Authority with Erin Bishop Pedone
Authenticity over avoidance, boundaries over burnout, and empowerment over dependency. In this raw and insightful conversation, Rae is joined by returning guest and energy healer Erin Bishop Pedone of Reiki Shores to unpack the nuanced and often-unspoken dynamics of spiritual codependency, emotional bypassing, and what true healing actually looks like.
Together, they explore how spiritual work can sometimes become a mask for avoiding discomfort and how to recognize when helping others turns into abandoning yourself. They also unpack the importance of healthy energetic boundaries, how grief and anger are sacred messengers, and why real growth requires self-trust, integrity, and occasional rupture.
Whether you’re a wellness practitioner, a spiritual seeker, or someone on a healing journey looking to reclaim your power, this episode is a grounded and heart-expanding reminder to come back home to yourself again and again.
🌿 In this episode, we explore:
- What is spiritual codependency (and how to spot it)?
- The signs of bypassing emotions in the name of being “high vibe”
- How unresolved grief and anger are sacred signals, not symptoms
- Why setting energetic and emotional boundaries is crucial for healing
- What rupture and repair can teach us about deeper relationships
- How to remain an empowered client AND an integral practitioner
- The importance of self-trust, discernment, and following your inner “ping”
🎧 Whether you’re new to energy work or years into your healing path, this conversation will give you the clarity and tools to walk your journey with more honesty, sovereignty, and soul.
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Disclaimer: Please remember that the information shared on this podcast is intended to inspire, educate, and support you on your personal journey. It does not substitute for professional mental health advice. I am not a psychologist or medical professional. If you are experiencing distress, mental health challenges, or medical conditions, please seek help from a qualified professional.
Welcome back to the podcast. If you are new here, I'm Ray. I'm a thematic coach and breathwork facilitator. If you are new here, welcome back. I'm so glad that you're recording this episode. I'm excited to bring today's episode. We have our next guest speaker, Erin. And yeah, I'm excited to have this conversation with her. We also previously recorded an episode about a year ago. Episode 57, if you want to go back and check that out. And yeah, Erin for me has just been I'm so grateful for our friendship and our collaborability to collaborate. And I've also experienced her different classes, energy healing, Reiki healing with Erin. And every single time I can say that I feel so like uplifted and empowered after. So that is how I feel about Erin. And I'll also share that she is uh the visionary behind Reiki Shores, which is in Island Park. Um, she stands at the forefront of holistic healing as a certified Reiki master teacher, integrated energy therapy master, and Akashic Records Practitioner. So, with a profound belief in the innate wisdom of the soul, Erin guides individuals towards unlocking their healing potential, advocating for a life of love, joy, and purposeful health. So I'm excited to have this conversation. And yeah, Erin, I would love to just have you introduce yourself, share with us how you're doing today. What's up?
SPEAKER_01:Thanks so much, Rachel. That made my heart fell when you said that. Um, I am so grateful for you too. And I have learned a lot from our friendship and our business relationship as well. So thank you for that beautiful uh introduction. Um, today I'm feeling great. I'm really excited for our conversation today. I've been thinking about it quite a bit. Um and what else? Should we just get rocking?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, let's just dive in. Um, yes, we wanted to have this conversation because we saw that there was just like a need to bring some of the stickier parts of like healing work and energy work to the forefront. And so one of the topics we wanted to dive into was this concept of like codependency and spiritual codependency. And so I'll share a little bit about I think codependency, like what it is to start. So I did a bit of research, and so my notes say that codependency is a relational dynamic where one person's sense of identity or their worth or their ability to emotionally emotionally regulate becomes heavily reliant on somebody else outside of themselves. And so this can often look like prioritizing someone else's needs before your own. It can look like difficulty setting or maintaining boundaries, uh, saying yes to everything, feeling guilty for saying no, monitoring other people's moods often and doing whatever you can to keep the peace. Um, and it can look like difficulty making decisions as well because you're looking for what the other person might want you to do. Um, and this can come from, you know, our past with family experiences, um, where our our roles were reversed or our needs went unmet. So there's a lot of reasons, you know, why codependency in relationships can happen. Um, but yeah, I'd love to hear kind of like what what spirit or what codependency you feel like looks like in relationships or spiritual codependency, like what how do you think that shows up?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think the thing that stood out the most to me that you just read from that um research that you did was doing anything you can to keep the peace. And when we first come upon spirituality, um maybe it's through meditation or you know, a healing that you had, it's a very peaceful state to be in. You're you're really slowing your body down, you're shutting out the outside world, and it's beautiful. It's all rainbows and butterflies. It's a wonderful space to be in. But that's not really why we came here. We came here to experience all the levels of emotions. And um, you know, a lot of times we're you you hear um phrases like high vibrational energy and low vibrational energy, and people will do anything that they can to avoid, you know, anger or fear or you know, those things. Um when you do that, you're missing a key component to your mission here on earth, the reason that you came here. And misunderstanding anger and frustration and shame and guilt and all of those things really avoids the true healing, right? And and avoiding people who are experiencing that emotion, like that low vibrational emotion, air quotes. Um you're not you're not um you're not having an authentic relationship with somebody then, because that's just a part of light, of life, rather, right? It's it's so you have this mask on, you have this persona, you you know, like your whole identity is about rainbows and butterflies. And that's just that's just not reality. That's you know, that's for later when we exit this earth, right?
SPEAKER_00:Right, yeah. I think what you're speaking to is so important to name. And yeah, I can even share from like my personal experience of like learning more about emotional health and spiritual health, you know, in the in the beginning. I really had no idea or no concept how to deal with those emotions, especially with anxiety. That was like my my thing that would kind of like bubble under the surface for me. Um, and it was, I think, working with those emotions that are stickier, like the fears and the shame and the you know, uncertainty and grief and all of that, that allows you to feel at more capacity to one, handle those emotions, but two, also show up more authentically because you're just you're being like your full, your full self. And I was reading, um, I don't know why this is coming to me now right now, but I was reading like an article the other day that they were saying like part of why grief feels so big and like death and dying feel so big is because it is authentic. And in our last moments, like there is nothing that we can we can like hold back. Like it's just when you're broken, you're broken. Yeah. And so um, a lot of yeah, I I really, I really resonate with a lot of what you shared of just like working with what's coming up for you in a way that, yeah, feels safe within your capacity and knowing that like it's all feedback, it's all information. Yeah, it doesn't make you bad or wrong for like having a big feeling for whether it's like jealousy or envy or shame or whatever it is, it's just makes you human, right?
SPEAKER_01:And you and I I kind of feel like spirit gave us all of those emotions to have. So how can it be bad, right? Now, listen, you can you can cross lines and you can cross boundaries and you can have you know irresponsible anger out on somebody. So, like that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about like healthy ways of expressing it. Yeah. Um and oh, you just said something, darn it, and I lost it. All right, we'll go back to it'll it'll come back to me if it was important.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you were saying that. Well, I well, I like what like you also just said about like we're not talking about the appropriate form of dysregulation. Right. Like I I like to use the example, and I think you'll appreciate this. Like, I have this memory of um when I was like growing up, you know, it must have been like middle school or high school, and my mom is like so, or my mom is like the sweetest person. She's like, like my compassion got it from my mom. And so I'm playing outside with my friends, and there was like a guy, a man who lived in a house diagonally across from where I lived, and we're all playing outside, and something happens, my friend does something, and the man, like this grown man, like adult man, comes running out of the house to like rough up, rough up my friend. Like it wasn't even me, it was like my friend. And my mom is at the window or at the door, coincidentally, while this is happening. My mom beelines, she beelines so fast out of the house that I think we were all more scared of her than we were of the man that was like gonna rob. Mama Bear came out, mama came out, there came out, and she didn't not come to play. And I like to share that story because my mom is, yeah, super compassionate, super kind, but that was the most appropriate form of disregard dysregulation for event. Yeah, we're talking protection, we're talking healthy rage, anger. And so when we do all this like healing work and we get really into it, I feel like it's yeah, it's like getting comf, like getting comfortable with yeah, being uncomfortable. Being uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_01:And I think like I it came back to me the um what I what I lost before, that you know, we we I think we're all susceptible to spiritual codependency, or where a lot of times people say spiritual bypassing, like where you're do, where you're just avoiding the heaviness. I I think we all do it and have done it at some point. I think it's sometimes subconscious, you don't even realize, like you just don't even know what you don't know just yet. But the other piece is like you're just protecting yourself. Like these, like you said before, these are big feelings. They're they're they're not pleasant. Nobody's saying that you have to like the anger or the fear or the shame, the guilt, whatever it is. So we're just trying to protect ourselves. And so it's okay if we do it. You just have to have the self-awareness that you are doing it and just come from a place of compassion. Like it's not bad that you've you've done it, right? Yeah, don't feel bad that you've done it, but just be like, okay, this is what I'm doing. You kind of have to call yourself out on your own BS sometimes, you know? And that's not an easy thing to do. Nobody likes that. Nobody likes doing that.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, so true. It can be super uncomfortable and like we've all been there and we're all just like putting one foot in front of the other trying to make sense of like this earth experience.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, it's chaos here. It is absolute chaos here. I know. But it's such a beautiful gift that we have. And I think when we when we recognize anger and um things uh like things like that, it's it's really it's really a tool to say, okay, something's not right. And something like how can we fix this? Or fix is probably not really the the word to use, but how can we gotta look at this? If I'm feeling anger, why am I feeling anger? There's a root cause. These are the root cause emotions that we want to get to. And we can't just feel it by, you know, we can't just make it better by avoiding it. I think that's the whole point. Because if you're if you're avoiding something, you're really never learning and you're really never getting to that that higher level that we're all striving for, that evolution that we're all like looking for.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Yeah, I love that. And ultimately when you when you do end up making that choice to like work with what's coming up for you, whether it's anger or you know, whatever it might be, on the other side of it is like more wholeness, really, more compassion, more understanding of yourself, um, maybe more, you know, patience with yourself. Um, because we don't know what we don't know. And if something keeps coming up for you, like anger, for example, then yeah, it's information, it's insight, it's an opportunity to grow. And yeah, we're all just like discovering. Yeah. And it's just taking accountability, right?
SPEAKER_01:It's like anytime that I I'm gonna use my daughter as an example, like anytime that we, she's out of her teen years now, but the teen years were tough. They were really, really rough. And we would have these blowouts between each other. And we had um we had help getting through them. We had a therapist who was like helping us. We couldn't hear each other. We were both so angry. And at the at the end of the day, the anger was a one of us wasn't feeling heard, and it was out of, I love you so much, I can't believe you're not hearing me. And then when the other person actually sat and heard what was being said, we got to the other side of it and I understood her more. She understood me more, and we were able to just come to the other side of it and have this deeper connection on a connection that was already really deep, you know. So now, you know, now that she's 20, you know, pushing 21 and she's this adult now, I get to let her go out and without fear, having her make mistakes, having her, you know, all the all the anger that I got was like trying to keep her like in this safe little bubble in the teen years. But now I understand why, why she was doing things the way she was doing, why she was quote unquote making me angry or disobeying me, or you know, things like that. Now that she is in this adult world, we both have confidence in each other and in her. She she me uh me going through this with her gave her confidence in herself. And and it's I I don't think if we avoided those conversations, those things wouldn't have been healed and understood more about the other person. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00:Makes perfect sense. And I think what you're speaking to is like so powerful, and what I'm sure a lot of people can relate to, especially with family relationships, because they are so deep and you are so connected, and you're talking mother-daughter, which is like special in its own um self. But yeah, being able to go to those more nuanced places in a relationship with someone, like rupture and repair, and being able to have a you know, a blowout fight and and work through it together. I mean, your relationship's only gonna get deeper and stronger. And I don't even think I knew what rupture was and repair was until like I was in my upper 20s. I was like, wait, there's an option for it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I think I was a lot older when I when I learned about that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And I think that um I'm sure it's just yeah, something that your daughter's gonna be able to carry with her into like her, you know, relationships and friendships and everything, which is like pretty awesome.
SPEAKER_01:That's the goal, yeah. But I think the the rupture piece, I think people are so afraid that it's gonna be so broken that there's no way, you know, where we can possibly fix it. And so what they're trying to do is so desperately hold a system together that just isn't working anymore. And if you just let it happen, let this explosion happen, it's the best thing that you could possibly do. Let the world fall apart. It always reminds me of the tower card in in tarot. Tower card in in tarot. Um it's everything that you've built. And then an act, it's like there's a a lightning bolt that's like um about to hit this tower that you built. And it's the lightning is like a representing an act of God, and it's horrible. Like it could be a big tower moment or a little bit of the tower moment, but like if you try and void and and hold that tower together, it's it's gonna come tumbling down. But if you just step back, let the chaos happen, what you can rebuild from the foundation is is you know bigger and stronger and better, and exactly what God intended for you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, oh my goodness. Yeah, so it's yeah, definitely challenging to let it all fall apart. Oh, it's so scary. It's pretty terrifying.
SPEAKER_01:It's a big it's it really tests your faith in in just being it's but it it it keeps you in the moment too. Like if you just surrender to that, that fear, that terrifying fear, it really just keeps you in the moment. And that's the point of this whole path, this spiritual path that we've decided to go down is keeping you present in the moment, keeping you connected. And if you're in the moment avoiding, then you're not in the moment, right?
SPEAKER_00:Right. Yeah, it's true.
SPEAKER_01:It's uh yeah, it's just reminding me of like, I guess how I got on this path, and like, you know, we all be on this path generally speaking, because it was going good for us, right? Like it's usually every healer, every coach, every therapist was like, well, that was a doozy.
unknown:You know.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, that's what I'm thinking about right now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we all had that doozy moment.
SPEAKER_00:Do we want to touch a little bit on spiritual codependency and dive into that a little bit more? Yeah. Okay, so I do have for my notes, uh, my research, um, a bit of a definition here. Spiritual codependency is when spiritual practices, teachings, or relationships are used to substitute your sense of self-trust or your personal power or your inner authority. So instead of fostering like a sense of empowerment, the path becomes another avenue for, like you mentioned, spiritual bypassing or dependency. And so this can look like outsourcing your wisdom to a teacher or a healer or some modality rather than cultivating your own inner knowing, um, using spirituality as a way to avoid difficult emotions or human needs, which we touched a little bit on, but we can chat more about. Um, mistaking constant uh forms of like self-sacrifice as a form of spiritual growth, uh, believing that there are bad and low vibe or not spiritual enough uh moments if they're you know enforcing boundaries or doing something that you don't like, feeling shame when struggling with human emotions, like we mentioned, like grief or anger or jealousy, because you should be like more spiritual or more evolved, or you shouldn't feel these feelings anymore. Um, and confusing people pleasing with compassion or service. So that was a mouthful.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So something that's popping out, the biggest, and I know that you and I share this um belief and are very verbal with our clients, is that when you have a client who is singing your praises and giving you all of the um what's the word? Not accolades, but like giving you all the um credit for the all the work that they did. Like I I'll hear like you're amazing, you you your energy, your energy, your energy, your energy. First of all, it's not my energy. I am just a vessel. I am channeling energy from the divine. I am just really good at getting you to relax and get and staying connected with you. So the healing that is flowing through me is coming from source. So I didn't do anything to heal, okay? In the the actual healing uh took place uh within my client, right? They opened up to the healing, they opened up to receive this unconditional love. But it feels really good to get all of this praise. It feels really, really good. So I think you know, you can very easily give all the credit to the healer, but also as the healer, take all the credit. Like you have to be super humble. It's both sides, right? You have to be super humble as the healer, and you have to be really um empowered as the receiver, as the client on the other end to know that you did all of this work. You opened up to it. It's not somebody else, somebody, nobody handed it to you. You you took it and you ran for it, ran with it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, I love that. And yeah, I agree. I think it's something that we both talk about a lot in our work. And um yeah, I think it's important to name it and just talk about that. Like, yeah, you have the ability within yourself to give yourself what you need to find that healing, to release, to let go, you know, whatever the antidote is that you need in that moment. Like you do have that within yourself. So yeah, I think that's like one side of it. And I, yeah, it's interesting to also talk about the other side as the practitioner, as like, because there are a lot of people on the podcast too that are practitioners that listen to the podcast that are practitioners or healers or therapists. And um, yeah, like staying, yeah, like grounded and connected to like who you are as a person and knowing that it's it's your craft, it's your work, but it's not necessarily like who you are. Yes, it's a part of your identity, but it's not, it's not the thing. Yeah. And so, like really staying grounded in your practices and like you said, being humble and knowing that, like being integral with your work really.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Yes, really the integrity piece is a is a big part of it because when you think about it, like what we our goal is for our clients to not come to us every single week for the rest of their lives, right? So it's not the best business model when you think about it, right? So I think sometimes spiritual codependency can be very manipulative and like making, you know, you want to make sure that your your clients feel really empowered and you're gonna lose them at one point or for maybe a period of time and then they come back later on as they evolve too, you know, because we want, I always tell my clients also like you shouldn't just stick, I shouldn't be the only healer in your life. You should have like there's so many different modalities, and you never know what a person really needs, right? Like you might come to me one time and I say, you know what, I really think you need breath work with Rachel. I don't do that. Let me refer her, refer you to her. That client might never come back to me because what they need is the breath work, but that was my job. That was it, right? So I can't manipulate them to come back. So, but I trust that another client is gonna come in its place.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, I love that. Yeah, and sometimes like like I've done that many times too, where um I am referring out or I try and like stay in my lane. And that I think is is really nice because it always does come back around. Oh, yeah. It always comes back around. Always. Whether it's a referral you receive or um you you run into that person, they're so grateful that like they you know discovered this thing. And it's not like it's not about us.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's not about us. Yeah, it's not about us at all.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so one topic that I think we're speaking to in various ways with what we've talked about already is this idea of boundaries. And I'll share a little bit about what boundaries are. So boundaries are the physical, emotional, energetic, and relational limits that we set to protect our well-being, to honor our needs, and define where we end and others begin. So they can also be these invisible edges, quote unquote, that communicate what we are available for and what we are not available for. And so boundaries can show up in our physical space, like uh, you know, touch, physical touch, privacy, emotional space, you know, how much of others, other feelings we take on, or how we share our own feelings, our mental boundaries, so protecting our thoughts, our values and beliefs, our energetic boundaries, so regulating how much our energy is given or taken away, or who we share our energy with. And then, you know, time boundaries, you know, limits around availability or commitments or work-life balance. And so boundaries can show up, you know, in a few different ways. If they're feeling like blurry or absent or unclear, you can show up feeling uh resentful, drained, taken advantage of, saying yes when you want to say no, taking on other people's emotions, um, struggling and overextending ourselves in work or relationships or with our friends. And when boundaries are maybe looking more like healthy or more landed, it can look like um saying no or uh not over-explaining ourselves, feeling safe and respected in our relationships, um having more energy and presence for people, uh, making decisions that are aligned with our values and engaging in relationships that feel balanced and like there's a reciprocal energy going on. Not as boundaries.
SPEAKER_01:Boundaries are a big topic. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's definitely layered. Um, and I can see how, you know, when it comes to codependency in relationships or spiritually, that having healthy boundaries can really serve us. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Um, I think it kind of goes back to um something you said in the beginning of like spirituality doesn't is is something that we do and it's something that we practice and it's something that we bring into our healing, right? Um, but it's not everything that we are. And it it is, it doesn't, we don't have to shove this down anybody's throat, right? Like that's like a a big no-no. And if one one thing that I do in my practice a lot is like, you know, I channel messages as I'm I'm giving a healing, and I always say to the person, like, you know, they kind of go home with like quote unquote homework. Um, but if something doesn't resonate with you, then like don't don't do it. Like so, so I feel like you you just have to, just because I said it, you know, doesn't mean you have to do something if it doesn't feel right to you, because it's we were in a spiritual moment. Sometimes time has to just unfold for it to to get done or for you to approach the the uh the homework, so to speak, or you just don't ever do it, right? But you're the you're the ultimate authority in all of that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I think what you're speaking to is like autonomy, like having your autonomy and having your choice in yeah, what you do and what homework you do do or what lands. I always say, yeah, like take what lands, leave what doesn't. Yeah. Um, and you know, I think it that having that foundation empowers the individual to take on what does land for them and find their yeah, find their own path and you know, keep going in a way that resonates with them.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. And I think too, like sometimes with it all always being like making sure that this isn't all the only thing that we do, the only like spirituality and healing and all that isn't the only thing that we're it's not our whole identity. That's where I couldn't find the words. Sometimes you just also have to know your audience and who you're speaking to. Like at 16, with me talking about like, you know, me connecting with the angelic realm, I daughter really didn't care. I wasn't gonna connect with her that way, you know? So you just have to know who to speak about this with and you know, and how you speak about it, and um allowing other people to have their own views and and beliefs as well, because none of us are wrong. It's just this is how I found my way. Doesn't mean somebody else's way is wrong, it works for them, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think that makes perfect sense. Um yeah, it's like really becoming aware of what lands for you, how it feels in your body, how you know it feels in your mind, um, what does resonate, and continuing what I like to say like follow the ping is what I call it. Like we all have this inner, inner feeling, inner ping, inner knowing. And if something is standing out to you, something you're curious about, or something you want to try, or whatever that might be, like follow it. Like follow the ping, like whatever that is. And it's so fun to see what happens on the other side. And it's it's one form for me, um, one way that I like to like get back into alignment. If I feel like I'm out of alignment, like follow the ping. And then I usually end up with like some like synchronistic story, and I'm like, oh my god, you won't believe what happened the other day at the store, like da da da. And it's like because you follow the ping, you follow uh the knowing, the the push, whatever that might be. Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:And I think sometimes too, like people get this idea that you have to um. Live a certain lifestyle or live like dress a certain way or you know use certain words for you to for this to be your path. Like I would never eat dairy, I would never eat meat, I would never, I would never have alcohol, I would never know, like some of the most connected people I know smoke like a chimley. They don't they don't have like the health, they're not worried about anything being organic. And that just that works for them. That resonates with them. It doesn't make them not connected to something, to their, their, their, you know, their their spiritual path. It's it it just it's like the silliest thing.
SPEAKER_00:I love that you're I love that you're saying this. And it's it's so funny. Um, yeah, there's so yeah, I mean, there's definitely just like so much pressure for things to like be a certain way or look a certain way.
SPEAKER_01:Look a certain way, especially on Instagram and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00:It's just like And we can chat more about that too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's probably a whole other topic, Rick.
SPEAKER_00:I think what you're speaking to is uh authenticity. Yeah. I think what's refreshing about um, yeah, a lot of like what, or at least I guess maybe I'm speaking for myself, but um was what resonates with me is authenticity. And when can someone someone can just show up and like just be their true self? And ain't nothing wrong with that. Ice cream solves a lot.
unknown:It does.
SPEAKER_00:It does. I love it. Um, one other topic that we had to that we wanted to discuss was how sometimes there's this funny thing that can happen with spirituality where we kind of use it to maybe like mask what we're feeling or mask our behavior. So we kind of touched on it with spiritual bypassing, but um yeah, maybe like elaborating a little bit more on like what that could look like or how that shows up for us.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think it's like an accountability thing and and like just using like I I see it a lot with people manifesting things, like I manifested, you know, something amazing in my into my life. And like really what happened was there was a little bit of a path of destruction, and you kind of like cheated your way to this gift that came into your life. And making, I think the biggest thing is like when you're doing something, when you're manifesting with integrity, you're doing any kind of spiritual work or spell work or whatever it is that you do, you're doing it for the highest and greatest good. And that's not only for you, but everyone connected to you, for your family, for your friends, with the within the people that you did business with, if it was like, you know, a purchase or something like that. You have to make sure that you're manifesting from a pure place, the highest integrity. Um I think sometimes you see someone kind of spiraling out of control with their life. And to avoid looking at that, at the mess that they're making, they they they jump into this. Well, I'm just you know, rainbows and butterflies, as we said in the beginning right now, and I'm avoiding it. And I didn't, you know, I I'm not gonna look at the chaos that I cause. Um I wanna say, I think that you can people, some people are really good at tricking others into into seeing what they're trying to showcase, right? Some people are really good at tricking themselves, but at the end of the day, you cannot trick God, the universe, whatever your word is, the divine source. You can't trick source. So in some way, like, and we we deal with karma and dharma, right? In some way, this is going to get mirrored back to you, and it'll happen in little ways for spirit to be like, okay, let's look at this. You know, this is like a little bit of a damage that was caused. We can clean this up, like spilt milk kind of thing. And if you're not getting the lesson, it's gonna come back to you pretty, pretty destructively. And I, you know, not saying that to scare somebody, but like, you know, it starts as like a little tap on the shoulder, hey, you may want to pay attention, and then it becomes like a full-on grabbing of the shoulder, shaking you to wake up. So yeah, justifying your chaos with spirituality is never gonna work.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, I think what you're speaking to makes a lot of sense, and you know, it it happens so fast that sometimes we don't like even see that it's happening, but there's yeah, patterns that will show up and signs that will show up. And it's tough when that happens and it's like you have to see it first, right? Like you need your awareness there to see it first.
SPEAKER_01:Um or believe the people who are pointing it out to you, too. Right. Me, you know, like really try having like faith, you know, you don't want people who are just like yesing you to death just to, you know, that's again like relationships that are not healthy, those, you know, that that people are that are not being truthful with you, you know. So you you gotta you gotta really surround yourself with people that are like honest and open and that you trust. And they're they're seeing the you know, they're pointing these things out because they love you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. I love that. Yeah, it kind of goes back to like that rupture and repair and like boundaries showing up like honestly, honoring your yes or your no. Um, definitely touches on like the codependency and like in in multiple forms. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's such a big topic. I feel like we could do like three or four more of these because it's just it's it's it's big and it's it's kind of everywhere. And it's always you always have to just have your own self-awareness with this because I think we're all susceptible. I don't care how evolved you are on this planet, I think you can easily fall back into you know bad habits.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I think it's tough to uh this is kind of like a tangent, but I think sometimes like uh we can put other people on like a pedestal of some sort. And then when something goes awry and they fall from that pedestal, um, it's not great. It's not a good feeling for either involved. And what gets us there usually is something around boundaries or authenticity or expressing yourself, you know, authentically or whatever that looks like. And so um, yeah, like having that awareness and and working and continuing to, yeah, like do that self-inquiry and self-awareness work. Well, I've loved having this conversation with you. This was so interesting. It was so cool to see all the different areas that we dove into. Uh, I do have one more question, but before I ask that, um, how can people stay connected with you? And I'll also put your information in the show notes.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so I'm on Instagram and Facebook. Um, on Instagram, I'm at Reiki Shores. My website is rakyshores.com. Um email rakyshoresenergyhealing at gmail.com. Um, I would love for you to reach out to me um and and see what I have to offer. I love to collaborate with people. I I love to just meet new people in this spiritual community. I think we need healers, we need each other. Um, it's it's this could probably be like another topic of conversation, but like this is you know, a growing field. I think it's becoming more mainstream. And I think that having other healers in your life that have businesses and um finding your your um your people in this business is really important. Um and finding people that are of high integrity in this business is really important. That could be like a whole other conversation because there's plenty that are not. But um, yeah, I I I would love for people to reach out to me. I love connecting.
SPEAKER_00:Amazing. Yeah, I'll definitely put your your info in the show notes. And yeah, to build off of one thing that you mentioned, um, yeah, Erin creates beautiful community. I've met so many uh people through Erin, uh, personal and professional. And so yeah, reach out to her, stay connected with her. Thank you. Um, she's doing all sorts of cool stuff. Um, yeah, and the last question I always ask uh our guests, which I actually forgot to ask you in our last episode. So I'm so happy that we attack you today now, is um what is one thing right now in this season of your life that is really lighting you up? So this could be anything. This could be a book, a teacher, an artist, a song, a show on Netflix. It could be anything. Something that's really lighting you up, inspiring you.
SPEAKER_01:It's I don't think it's a certain um, like I would, I'm not gonna point out like a person or or anything. I don't think it's anything like that. I think I'm just um uh experiencing the joy of um the fruits of my labor at this point. I think I've done a lot of I I think I'm enjoying the evidence of my hard work, right? And I think I'm enjoying, I'm I'm seeing a lot of my clients that have been coming to me for years um in this place. Like they've shifted to the other side of things. It's happening a lot, and I'm just like I'm just I'm enjoying the evidence of that. Like I knew it was where like my faith has always been there, but I'm like, I knew it. And we need as humans, I think we just need to see the evidence of the other side of that too. So I I I feel like I'm seeing a big shift um in my own personal life, but also in the collective of like, okay, we've we've put we've put these practices to to work for like a number of years. Like I feel like the year 2006, 2007 is like when this started to become a little bit more mainstream. And so, you know, that's a long time. It's almost 2026. So, like you're talking like 20 years of like this really becoming a practice for for a lot of people, for mainstream people. And um, I'm just I'm just finding joy in that. That's that's what's inspiring me to just keep going and evolving and diving deeper.
SPEAKER_00:I love that. Yeah, amazing, amazing. Um okay, great. Well, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you. I loved being uh in this conversation with you, Rachel. Thank you so much.
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