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Finding the Root Cause: Why These Chiropractors Are Changing Patient Care
Ever wonder what makes some healthcare providers stand out from the rest? Reid Williams and Michael Allison from Fit Muscle & Joint reveal the philosophy that's transforming patient care in the rehabilitation world. These passionate young chiropractors share what drew them to the profession—personal experiences with injuries and rehabilitation that showed them the profound impact of hands-on care and active treatment approaches.
What strikes you immediately is their commitment to spending quality time with patients. While many practices rush through appointments, Reid and Michael detail how their hour-long initial consultations and 30-minute follow-ups allow them to truly understand each person's unique situation. "We're never going to force you to do something you're not comfortable with," Reid explains, highlighting their patient-centered approach that builds trust through education and transparency.
The conversation explores how modern chiropractic care extends far beyond traditional adjustments. Both practitioners emphasize finding the root cause of pain rather than just treating symptoms. They discuss the collaborative environment at their multidisciplinary practice, where chiropractors work alongside physical therapists and occupational therapists to provide comprehensive care. This team approach means patients receive consistent treatment regardless of which provider they see—a refreshing alternative to siloed healthcare.
Perhaps most compelling is their ultimate goal: patient independence. Rather than creating dependence on ongoing care, they aim to equip people with the knowledge and tools to maintain their own health. They share practical advice everyone can use—from essential stretches that counteract our sedentary lifestyles to the importance of aerobic exercise for tissue healing. Whether you're dealing with pain, curious about chiropractic care, or simply interested in taking better care of your body, this conversation offers valuable insights from practitioners who genuinely want to help people feel better and stay well.
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Speaker 1:Back in 2002, when I decided to make the move to the fitness industry, I remember one of my instructors telling the class that we should not expect to keep our clients forever. In fact, he said, if you're doing your job right, then they won't need you past a certain time. And while I'm fortunate to have had many of my clients for decades thank you ladies I do get that it is helpful to try different types of services for a well-rounded approach, and I've done that with my chiropractic care. I love, love my tried and true doctor and always will. But I was seeking another option a while back to help with a pain that I just couldn't get rid of.
Speaker 1:I met Reed Williams with Fit, muscle and Joint this past fall and have so enjoyed our sessions. You've heard me say how much I respect and admire the profession. I always learn something new and in our time together I've been so impressed with their organization. Today I have the honor of having Reed and his colleague, michael Allison, on the podcast, both young chiropractors with a true passion for what they do. I hope you enjoy our conversation as much as the three of us did and you'll share it with a friend. Here we go. Well, hello gentlemen, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1:Thank you, and I understand that both of you are chiropractors, which I have told Reed so many times how much I admire chiropractors and physical therapists. I think you guys are just amazing and I'm really interested in how you got started. Did you always want to be a chiropractor?
Speaker 2:So I actually started out wanting to do physical therapy as a career.
Speaker 2:I tore my labrum in my shoulder when I was going into my freshman year of high school and ended up having to have it surgically repaired and did several months of rehab afterwards and just really enjoyed my experience with the PT.
Speaker 2:They seemed to enjoy what they did and so as I got deeper into high school, kind of getting ready for college, I thought that I would kind of go the physical therapy route.
Speaker 2:Ended up shadowing some other clinics and it just ended up that it wasn't kind of the like sports med environment that I had been in, and so it was actually my sister who encouraged that I shadow a chiropractor and shadowed a local chiropractor here and had a really positive experience doing that and kind of saw myself potentially kind of switching gears and going that route and so toured uh the uh Cleveland campus uh Cleveland chiropractic is uh where I did uh the chiropractic program and um, yeah, decided that I would go that route and so ironically, um kind of fell into uh a setting like fit where you know our physical therapists and our chiropractors treat very similarly. Um, I always knew that I wanted to be kind of on on the you know active care and kind of uh, active rehab side of things as well, treating athletes and um. So yeah, it's kind of fun getting to do what I do now, working alongside some of our physical therapists as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and how rewarding that people. You could just help people and help people feel better. That's amazing. For sure, for sure, yeah, and Reed, I know that I've heard your story but let's tell the listeners.
Speaker 3:So I always knew I wanted to be in medicine of some capacity and I believe it was about my junior year of high school dealing with my own aches and pains, just like every one of our therapists. You see, I did some chiropractic stuff and I was like man, I really, really like this, started to dive into it later into high school, then getting into college. That was always my path. I actually went to Logan around St Louis instead of Cleveland, went for something that, ironically, I don't actually do now. But, just like Michael said, I actually found out about Fit Me Up podcast. I had a friend good friend that put me onto it, started to get into some of more of that active rehab, started talking to one of our owners and then just kind of fell in love with the place and honestly got a little bit of luck going in there too and, as they say, the rest is kind of history little bit of luck going in there too, and, as they say, the rest is kind of history.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Well, and one of the things that I love about you guys but also you know every chiropractor that I've been to before I just learned so much and I love how you guys like to get to the root cause. You're not going to just give somebody a pill or this or that. You want to figure out what's going on in their body and truly help them heal. So speak to that a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I mean you know both, both chiropractic and physical therapy are kind of a choose your own, choose your own adventure profession, and you know. So I think what makes us unique is, you know, we're one-on-one and you know, treating a wide variety of injuries. It's not like we just treat post-surgical patients and then on the chiropractic side of things, you know, it's not just spine related injuries. I mean, we treat extremities and you know a lot of overuse injuries that come in, and so, yeah, it's really important to identify, you know, what's causing your pain, what's going to be the most efficient pain management strategy. And then you know what does this look like as far as you know, building some resilience and, you know, hopefully, keeping stuff like this at bay in the future.
Speaker 2:And you know, I think you know in the past it was kind of PT was known for, you know, okay, coming with low back pain. Here's, you know, a list of 20 exercises that we do for cord hip stability. And then on the chiropractic side it was, oh, you're coming in with low back pain. You know, let's adjust you up and send you on your way. It's like pain is just so much more complex.
Speaker 2:Like us is like, I mean, you know, like people in the active population like we, just you know like injuries are really nuanced, and so I think for us it's really fun because it's like man, okay, like you know, you've really been struggling to run or you've been struggling to ride your bike, like let's figure out, like you know, what led up to that and how are we going to get you back to doing that as efficiently as possible and, um, you know, kind of help, like you know, empower patients to feel like they have a little bit of control as well. I feel like, traditionally, people come into maybe a medical setting and they're like, hey, like just make me better, make me better. And it's like, hey, we're going to be a team in this and, like you know, like I obviously play an important role, but like you, as a patient, play an important role too, and um, so yeah, yeah, to kind of add to that, you kind of went down the path that I was going to say is ultimately, I think, with us is finding the root cause.
Speaker 3:The idea is, we're in this as a team and ultimately, too many times with any kind of medicine, it's just here, let's throw this at it, let's stick and see if it works, instead of kind of joining forces together and going, hey, we're going to buckle up for a minute. We got to be in this together and that goal ultimately just gets you out of pain but also teach you ways that you can stay out of pain, cause we don't want to sit here at this revolving door and have low back pain every other year. We're dealing with this and you can't go hang out with your kids, throw the baseball, whatever it may be. So ultimately, that is really why we all do this is to try to get you out of pain, but they give you some fixes too. And then, fortunately for us, we also meet some really cool people along the way. You get to be a part of their health journey, but then also even like friends with them. It's a super, super fun and rewarding experience.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And one of the things that I was really impressed with at Fit, muscle and Joint that I feel is different than some of the traditional chiropractors, is that you guys spend ample time with every patient. In fact, my first visit we probably went over an hour because we were probably talking so much. But it was scheduled for an hour and then half hours after that. You know, it's not just the five minutes in and out. So, like I said, you taught me so many things, so I so appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Well, I always tell patients too, you know, I mean, you can be seeing the absolute, you know, best provider in really any medical setting. They may just not have the capacity to be able to spend the time with you that they need to deliver the care that they're capable of. And so, you know, thankfully, you know our model. I mean, one-on-one care is one of our guarantees and you know, one of the things that I mean inevitably, over the, I've been at fit, uh, seven years. It seems like every so often, you know, the discussion will be had of, you know, you know so-and-so is getting really busy. Do we consider, you know, how, do we kind of manipulate their schedule to allow them to see, uh, more people? And you know, I mean doing one-on-one care. Obviously there's only so many hours in the day and, um, fortunately, you know, we always kind of stick to our guns and we say, hey, this is really important. Um, you know, and like, we're not trying to, you know, um double book or triple book, and so, yeah, I mean, hopefully it allows us to, you know, um, use our skills to the best of our ability, whereas, you know, yeah, if you are only spending five minutes with your patient and then kind of passing them off to somebody else or, you know, just kind of sending them out the door. You know, I mean, yeah, it's like you, it's just it makes it really tough. You have to cut corners, you can't do a thorough assessment and, you know, I think one of the things too going back to what we were talking about earlier is, you know, hopefully, you know, seeing a consistent provider each visit and having longer appointment times, we're able to do some tests or do some audits that will reproduce that person's pain or reproduce what they have going on consistently to where we know, with a little bit more objectivity, that we're making improvement versus like pain is obviously an emotional experience.
Speaker 2:People come in, you know, obviously it's a human interaction too. So, like I feel like sometimes patients like you know they're like, okay, I'm investing the time and the money to come in, like I think I am getting better and hopefully we've done our due diligence and we're able to say like hey, remember, you know, like the last time you've only been forward and, you know, get to your knees. Like, hey, you're going all the way down to the floor, I think you're better too. Um, you know, and there's kind of things that remove some of the emotion of pain and, um, I think, so often if you are overbooked or um, you don't have that, that benefit of being able to spend a long time with your patients. Like you know you, you don't necessarily have the ability to go. Hey, you know, remember that some of those tests that we did last time, like, let's do those- again.
Speaker 2:And uh you know you're just like, okay, hop on the table, let's get started and maybe miss out on that. So I'm super thankful that we have the ability to to treat for as long as we are no-transcript.
Speaker 3:But yeah it's. I look back at it now and I don't think I could do anything less than 30 minutes.
Speaker 1:I don't. I would feel very unfair. I totally agree. Well, I can tell you from a patient standpoint, that's very much appreciated because I always feel heard and validated. So I can you know very much I appreciate that and I think that's one thing that sets you guys apart from other facilities. I also love that you guys appear to be such a good team and you work together well and you help each other out. What would you say sets you apart from other chiropractic practices?
Speaker 2:I think probably that you know, the multidisciplinary setting is definitely something that makes us unique. I remember, especially starting out, um, you know, I think there is kind of a shift happening in our profession, particularly in the chiropractic profession, um, but I remember, you know, going to several events and people would be like you work with PTs, like how does that work? Like don't you guys kind of butt heads a little bit, and um, and now we have occupational therapists and certified hand therapists on staff as well. We're co-located in some orthopedic clinics as well. We have a couple of facilities that are within youth training centers, so we have accessible trainers and you know, so I mean the co-management of care extends way beyond, like you know, oh, somebody's dealing with back pain, I'm going to see them. Or somebody you know had somebody who's dealing with back pain, I'm going to see them. For somebody you know have a surgery, they're going to see one of our PTs. Like it's a really fluid team aspect that we have. And and then, yeah, I mean obviously we already kind of touched on the longer appointment times, like I think that's a huge thing that sets us apart. And then, you know, not only that, I mean the idea that somebody could come in with knee pain and see read or eye or see one of our PTs and hopefully we're going to be doing a similar treatment regardless of what they come in with.
Speaker 2:I think is something that's really special. And you know we were onboarding new team members. We go through an eight week training program and the hope is during that eight-week period that you know if during somebody's schooling or some of the continuing ed courses that they've already taken, if they haven't had exposure to some of the services that we offer within FIT, that we have the opportunity to really go through those in depth and kind of bring everybody up to speed where we get consistent care across all of our clinics. You know, and I think you know I mean there's such a demand for rehab right now, especially in, you know, a highly populated area like Kansas City, you know, and so there's, you know, really good clinicians out there. But you know you get such a wide mix of like what the experience looks like for the patient and but you know you get such a wide mix of like what the experience looks like for the patient and across fit.
Speaker 2:You know we hope that, especially you know, with that initial onboarding experience that you know, some of our newer team members have like, hopefully, you know, we're all kind of treating the same way and like we're going to events like hopefully, you know, people like you know, reed and I are kind of, you know, like have a similar touch and, and you know, kind of a similar dynamic to the way that we're going about patient care. And you know, I think sometimes, and I mean, there is like specialization that happens Like I would say, the more that we've grown, like you know, we have people that are really passionate about like baseball and it's like if I have a throwing athlete like, yeah, we want him to see somebody who's like really experienced with baseball, um, but still, it's like, you know, hopefully all of us are are, you know, pretty capable, regardless of what's coming to the door sure?
Speaker 3:no, I agree, I'm gonna brag on michael a little bit uh, full-heartedly believe we have some of the best training, if not the best training across the board. I mean, we spend time it's normally like three-on-one, sometimes even one-on-one, where you're getting down in the nitty-gritty details of why this works, how this works and how to do it, how to do it properly, but then also how to approach those techniques with patients and effectively communicate them. That's one of the harder ones, but he does a stand-up job doing that. I think another key piece is, exactly like you said, we're a team. We have 11 clinics now 11 clinics Now there is no like animosity between people.
Speaker 3:If I got somebody I think Michael needs to go see, I'm going to send them up there, Cause I know he's going to do a dang good job and he's not trying to steal that patient from me. And if he's got somebody that's moving down South where I'm at, I know he'll do the same thing. And the availability to do that across Kansas city is not only just amazing for us, but it's super beneficial and helpful for patients as well, because they know they're going to somebody that they can trust. That's going to help guide them with our healthcare and then also with the multidisciplinary having orthos and everything else. It's really awesome that we can guide people where they need to go with caring and loving people.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. I can totally see the respect that you guys have for each other. I love that. I love it. I also love how you guys are so community focused. I see you doing collaborations with small places like my Little Fitness Studio, and bigger places as well. You just jump in wherever and help out. I think that's very cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's one of the things that kind of set fit apart even before Reed or I were part of the team the two owners and then some of the early team members that came on board.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean especially, you know, 13 years ago, when Fit started, the perception of chiropractic was a little bit different than what I'd say it is now.
Speaker 2:I mean now there's really really uh, and not that there weren't before, but you know, I mean there's just a more progressive mindset for some of the newer clinicians.
Speaker 2:Um, and so it's like, okay, we have to like go out and like meet people and tell them why they should come see us and not, you know, the person across the street and you know the only way you do that is just, you know, kind of having those multiple touch points. And so, yeah, the community engagement aspect of what we do is really important. Like we always tell our newer providers that come in, like, you know, we want you to be involved in the kind of niche communities that you're passionate about and you have interest in treating. And we have people on our team who you know their, their responsibility is to basically help facilitate those relationships and kind of support our team getting involved in some of those communities, so you know, yeah, when when you know, when I was starting out, it was kind of like, hey, you know, it's like you want to treat, you know cyclists and runners like you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when, when you know, when I was starting out, it was kind of like, hey, you know, it's like you want to treat, you know cyclists and runners like you know there's, yeah, like you know, here's the tent, uh, you know, go set it up and now, fortunately, it's a lot more organized. But I mean we still try to be involved and, um, yeah, I mean, uh, thankfully, uh, the people that come on board, they kind of are, you know generally, um, you know pretty driven and like on board they kind of are, you know generally, um, you know pretty driven and, like you know, want to kind of make themselves like the um, the go-to person for whatever you know their like hobby that they're in Um, and so, thankfully, we have people that are in place that you know kind of can organize that. Um, it's not as much like work for the clinicians to set that up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm going to put you on the spot just a little bit, okay. So so for someone well, a couple of questions for someone that is really apprehensive about going to a chiropractor. What would you say to them? That's not really on the spot, that's an easy one for you guys to answer Whoever wants to answer that one.
Speaker 3:What I would say to them is, like Michael's been stressing, we are a little bit different. At the end of the day, it's not just going to be not to shade on anybody, but it's not going to be an adjustment and move on. We're going to dig into the root cause of this and we're never going to force you to do something you're not comfortable with.
Speaker 1:We have a plethora of techniques.
Speaker 3:We will talk you through everything, why we want to do it, show you everything that we want to do, and then the reality of it is too. All of us have been through this. We've had everything grasped and needled, cupped you name it. We've had it done. So we have that firsthand experience to be able to communicate it to you and then, honestly, I feel like we're all super approachable people at the end of the day. That's it. We're just. We're people too. We have our aches and pains and we'll communicate that with you, and I mean, at their minimum, give us a chance to let us, you know, have some fun and let's figure this out and let's help you out in this journey yeah, yeah there.
Speaker 2:I always tell patients too, I mean there's, there's, there's no hill that I'm gonna like absolutely die on.
Speaker 2:As far as, like you know, know, hey, for you to get better.
Speaker 2:Like we have to do this, like all I'm going to give my professional recommendation. I feel, like you know, again, going back to the longer appointment times, like, fortunately, we have the opportunity to be able to like, if somebody is apprehensive, like we can sit down and have a conversation about, like you know, if you had a negative experience with you know, like I mean, I would say that probably the two that we see the most commonly is people are maybe, um, apprehensive about dry needling. They're worried that it may be painful, um, so you know, yeah, our point of time is super quick. Like we don't even have the opportunity to explain that like, hey, you know it's, like it's a little bit uncomfortable if you're not, you know, afraid of needles. Or like you don't, you know um have like a, or like you don't, you know, um have like a. You know, if you don't pass out when you get a shot at the doctor, like you're probably going to be okay, like I think this is going to help. And then I always followed up.
Speaker 2:Like we don't have to do this, like uh, you know, it's like we have plenty of other things, like Reed was saying, that we can do, that are going to get you to the finish line with this um, you know, this is just a really efficient method of managing your pain and decreasing muscle tension. But, like, we have other things that can do that as well. And then you know, obviously, you know, with chiropractic specifically, some people have maybe either had, um, you know, negative experiences getting adjusted in the past, um, or they just don't like how it feels, and that's totally fine too, like um, um, you know. I feel like this may be an opportunity to kind of explain some of the the um misinformation that's out there with with adjusting um people still, um, you know, may associate getting adjusted or, um you know, getting, uh, manipulation performed.
Speaker 2:that it's, you know, this idea of like bony alignment, and you know that we're kind of putting the spine back in place. That's not really you know what we're trying to accomplish.
Speaker 2:We're looking at things more from like a joint mobility standpoint and if there's relative restriction through some of these segments and you know so there are less aggressive forms of joint mobilization that we can do, and we can either do that, you know, assisted, or we can do these joint mobilizations, like with just active range of motion exercises, that are just you know kind of patient performed. And so I always tell patients that too, like hey, if you don't like getting your neck adjusted, like you don't have to adjust your neck, let's do something else that accomplishes a very similar goal. And you know, then if over time you're like, hey, I actually like you know, I, you know, maybe we've had more appointments and they've kind of developed some trust with us, and then maybe we do get to the point where we we uh choose to do that and maybe they're getting better, and it's like hey, so you've never even needed to do that, like you got better anyways.
Speaker 2:so again like I I never, you know kind of put it out there as like an ultimatum with people like you have to do this or your pain isn't gonna get better. Uh, it's like, hey, that's fantastic, like thanks for sharing that, let's do something different. And then I still think you're gonna get better with some of the other stuff that we're doing. So, um, it's just kind of funny. I, I mean, we, we hear stories you know where. Uh, you know people you know either, like you know they've maybe, you know, had a bad experience, squatting or deadlifting, and then you know they've gone to therapy and it's like they're doing just tons of squats and deadlifts, and it's like man there's other exercises that like accomplish similar goals.
Speaker 2:Maybe let's meet people where they're at and then you know similar with adjusting where you know it's like if you don't like being adjusted.
Speaker 1:I'm going to, you know, try something different at first. So, yeah, yeah, and I don't know if all of your patients are like this, but I know I really appreciate it when Reed gives me stretches and exercises to do on my own. I don't know if everyone does them, but what would you say would be? Let's just say, like your, your go-to, your number one what stretch?
Speaker 2:would you or exercise?
Speaker 1:would you want all of your patients to do, even when they're not hurting?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I know that's the on the spot question, I, I, uh, I, I would say, um, I would say, if we were to say this is such a tough one, if we were to say for any injury, I would say aerobic exercise is probably number one. Doing something that elevates the heart rate is going to be super beneficial for tissue healing. If we were to just make like a ton of generalizations about this person's pain, if we start to talk a little bit more like region specific, um, you know, for the spine, I think, um, gosh, I mean, it always depends, but you know, I think, uh, you can't go wrong with, uh, you know, like core stabilization and making sure that at least like the like foundational concepts of core stability are, um, being addressed, and that pretty much applies, like, regardless of if we're talking about the neck or low back, you know, and I think it's important to distinguish between like strength versus like stability and control. Sometimes those two things get confused and so, like you know, we'll see people that are like, just absolutely like beasts in the gym. They're, you know, like a competitive crossfitter, um, or maybe they do bodybuilding and it's like, you know, yeah, your core is strong.
Speaker 2:It's more so like a like, a like this idea of stability is more so, like you know, are you engaging your core efficiently doing some of these, you know, like exercises in the gym, you know, and if we can improve some of the efficiencies around that, like that's, that's awesome. Um, yeah, I mean, I don't think you can go wrong. Like, obviously, all the stuff that we're doing in clinic, um, you know, and especially if we're having multiple touch points throughout a week, um, you know, it's like that's enough to kind of accomplish the minimum effective dose for for, um, you know, if we're doing some sort of like strengthening exercise, or or you know what have you, and then it's like at home, it's like, man, if you're just you know, if you're going, for maybe you know, having not exercised for a while, like just getting out and walking, or you know, hopping on the the uh, the bike is is probably going to go a long way. Um, but again, we're making a lot of generalizations.
Speaker 3:I'll do it this way, the two biggest ones that I think I end up giving out are actually both kind of McKinsey in nature, so disc oriented stuff. I give low back extension, so trying to work on the mobility of the low backs, we do so much flexion we don't really do a lot of extension, and then either chin tucks in the neck or just a really solid upper trap and levator stretch. We're all driving, we're all on our computers, our phones. You know all that. If you have kids you're picking stuff up all day, every day. I mean, personally I do those every day just to try to stay mobile enough to do our job, because it kind of beats up on us too. So those are probably my big two or three that I like to give out to people, even without divulging into stuff like, hey, have you tried these yet?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a fun.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I was just going to say I think it's always kind of a fun debate like that We'll have, especially, um, among some of our like students to come and do rotations, or like among, uh, you know, several of our new hires.
Speaker 2:When we're going, when we're taking them through training, it's, you know, like you know, we'll kind of discuss things regionally and so like, when we're kind of talking about, like low back conditions and hip conditions, um, you know, sometimes we'll pose that question of, like you know, if you had one exercise to give that was going to apply to 90 of the population, who would that be?
Speaker 2:It's always fun to kind of hear the answers, because it's kind of like this, it's like there's no right answer, like, yeah, again, the case is like it always depends, but it's fun to kind of see where people's heads are and like you know where kind of the like you know, kind of, uh, you know, obviously we all kind of the like you know, kind of you know, obviously we all have kind of our own like personal biases with like how we treat and like manage conditions, and so I always enjoy just like getting other people's perspectives. And then it's like, okay, well, here's what I think, like you know, like you can make just as strong an argument for both exercises. So yeah, a lot of ways to go about rehab.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and Reed, you had mentioned the physical aspect of your job. You guys have to be exhausted at the end of the day. Number one because it's hard to be on all the time and like just be that people person. Sometimes you just need to be like whoo, just need a little time for myself. But then, adjusting people and showing them, like Reed, you get up and down off the floor I don't know how many times in 30 minutes. So are you guys just wiped out at the end of the day?
Speaker 3:Honestly, yes, I am pretty tired. I will say this is where having different types of patients is fantastic. You feed off the energy of the people that are in that room and I got some that want to be a little more low key, you know, maybe slower music, not as loud. Then I have ones that come in and they want to have fast paced music. We're going to get after this, we're going to get moving with you and that's awesome. I really feed off that energy.
Speaker 3:We kind of get going and, honestly, for me it's a really humbling too, because we do have our aches and pains. So it kind of reminds you of why you're doing this. You're helping people to have the same style of stuff, and it's also really encouraging to the patient when you're doing some of that with them, like hey, I'm trying to stay healthy too. So doing all of that stuff does help, gets the blood flowing, gets the energy going. So, yes, I am tired, but it's a. It's a great tire. It's man, I, we worked hard today, my patients busted their butts. It's a really good thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're going to experience a whole new level of tired here soon.
Speaker 2:Yes, have your little one, that's no doubt Reed Sooner rather than later, that's no doubt.
Speaker 1:Oh, that'll be fun for you guys to watch him, right? Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:I have two little ones, almost two-year-old and a four-month-old.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've been talking a lot and I hear some really good things and I'm really pumped. And then I hear some other things about the sleep schedule and I get a little nervous, not going to lie.
Speaker 2:I just feel like before kids you know people. People would be like oh man, are you ready to like it was? It was like man, like. Can you make me feel better about like what's what's about to?
Speaker 1:happen.
Speaker 2:And of course, like now, I'm like dude, there's like there. And of course, like now, I'm like dude, there's like there's so like endless amounts of like awesome things, but everybody would be like you're never going to sleep and I'm like what are?
Speaker 2:you trying to like, why are you telling me this? Like, even if it's true, like, why are you telling me this? But no, I would say like, as far as you know, the, the like you know clinician fatigue and obviously like healthcare in general, like there's a ton of burnout out there. Fortunately, in a rehab setting like this, I think a lot of the people that get into doing what we do get into it out of their own personal experiences, like Reid was saying earlier. So I think with that comes a degree of passion. Passion and you know, it's like you realize that you're doing something that is, like you know, bigger than yourself. So it's like obviously there's tons of career paths out there that you know all are, you know, really lucrative in their own right.
Speaker 2:And it's like, you know, I think we kind of get into this more for like, less about like, okay, I want to have like a, you know, like you know a, like a, you know, like you know a good, uh, you know career. But it's like I want to like help people, you know, and so with that it's like, yeah, I mean like you kind of went into it knowing that you know every day was going to be like patient facing and that you were going to be interacting with a lot of people, and I think for a lot of us it was like plus, oh, like didn't we get into this because we want to like meet a lot of people and we like want to develop relationships and, like you know, especially kind of choosing more of the, like you know, chiropractic and physical therapy type environment. It's like you know, you know that you're going to have a little bit longer with your patients and that you're going to be like guiding them through lifestyle modifications and exercise modifications. Like you know, it's not the quick, like like oh yeah, you're like you're sick, so we're going to give you this medication. It's like well, no, like you know, you have back pain.
Speaker 2:Let's like talk about that a little bit, and so I mean yes it's like you know it's different than you know, like you know, maybe a career where you work from home or an office job, or maybe there's a little bit more like flexibility. But it's like, I think, you know, all of us kind of got into this knowing that that was going to be the case. And then you know, I think for me I was a few years into practice when we went through the pandemic and you know so many patients were coming in at that point and you know, went from being in this office setting and even if it was like you know something where they were doing a lot of computer work, you know they were still like social with their their, you know, like cohort of people in their office and stuff like that. And you know, for a lot of people that was kind of taken away, where you know they were working from home and you know people would come in and they'd be like hey, like you're the only person that I see other than you know, my spouse and my kids. So like we're, like we're on, you know, like thank goodness you guys are open.
Speaker 2:And I remember at the time being like I am so glad that I do this, you know, and like yeah, that I still, like you know, obviously weird times for sure, that I still, like you know, obviously weird times for sure, but, like you know, it was like man, like I am, I feel really fortunate that, like I'm still able to like come to work, communicate with a ton of people and, like you know, have kind of this like wide network and, like Reed said, you, know for a lot of these people, it's like you develop friendships with them and you get to know them over a really long period of time and, like you know, for some of the people that are around reading eyes age, you know, it's like they're having kids and it's like you get to kind of be like a part of their life for for for a long time, and so it's like to be able to do that is is, you know, super cool and so it's.
Speaker 2:You know, for me I never really thought it's like what love this so much? Like, even if I have like other like, even if you know things were to change and I were to be doing something else, it's like, man, I always like, like we, you know, with some of the the like mentorship stuff that we do, you know, it's like, even if I kind of end up like taking on more of like a teaching role someday, like I don't want to like get out of the tutor room, like I love them. So, anyways, I just I'm glad that I, that I do what I do, for sure.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. I love your passion. I love it Both of you. That's great, and I don't want to keep you too long, but I do have one more topic that I'd like to touch on. I've heard it said before and I this might be an exaggeration that in medical school, doctors do one or two courses in nutrition, but with chiropractors, you guys have extensive knowledge when it comes to nutrition. Is that accurate and how do you work that into your sessions?
Speaker 3:Um, I don't. To be honest, I don't feel like we taught, we touched some on it, absolutely. I mean, that is just generally part of health care. Um, honestly, I think a lot of ours and like I know you talked to cameron it ends up being a passion of ours because it is, yes, let's treat the physical body but let's also work on that side of it as well. So you find that a lot of us are pretty passionate about something like that, whether it be supplementation um, it's working out the nutrition and stuff that comes with that.
Speaker 3:So, like for me personally, I started that journey in chiropractic school. That just became part of what I was doing was learning in school but then outside of it too, trying to educate myself on what are other ways that you can help people with this. So I think that's ultimately where a lot of us really get into it, and then you can can kind of take it in the world of supplementation what do you want to use? When do we want to use? Why are we trying to use this? And fortunately we have a really cool thing, a full script that allows us to have really good supplements too, that I feel pretty confident educating a patient about if I feel like they're meeting symptoms, that where they might want something like this.
Speaker 2:Yeah about if I feel like they're meeting symptoms, that where they might want something like this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think like Reed's saying you know our profession is so unique that you know we have the time to be able to spend it with people, and you know we're a lot of times educating people on, like, how they need to modify their exercise routine or how, like, they need to modify their workstation ergonomics and, uh, like I know, a lot of times it's like guidance. I'm like, okay, what is maybe the best, like workout program that's going to complement what we're doing from like a rehab program? Um, and so, of course, like nutrition is, is going to be a part of that. Um, and I feel like you know, to re Reed's point, like there's in the formal chiropractic programs like, yes, we do touch on it, if I remember correctly, like you know, I mean there's a lot of the kind of like background, like chemistry courses, but then, like, as far as the actual like nutrition element, I think there was like two specific courses that that were including the curriculum at Cleveland and you, they're fantastic and like super important stuff for us to learn. But I think you know it's like it's just kind of a like that's kind of the starting point and then, if you want to go on and, like you know, kind of make that the bread and butter of what you're doing, treatment wise, like I think you need to go on and get some continuing education, but I think more so it's the time that we spend with patients that allows us to kind of like develop that as maybe a part of like what we're advising patients on doing.
Speaker 2:You know, for me personally it's I I tend to, like you know, I mean I'll I'll kind of discuss generally, like what, what I think. But you know, then, as far as like absolute specifics, know specifics, I want him to be on somebody that like has the degree of passion that like I have for like exercise and like dry needling and manual therapy, like I want somebody that has that degree of passion for nutrition to be the one that's giving recommendations. So, like you know, that's where somebody like Cam um, who works with with fit or Shawnee Office, like it's a fantastic resource because it's like he loves that stuff and he's going to be able to do like a lot deeper dives than I am. But I mean, I feel like I know just enough to be dangerous and also like there's so there's like there's so much that's just like I think, misconstrued in the nutrition world and obviously it's super nuanced and so, like I think, misconstrued in the nutrition world and obviously it's super nuanced.
Speaker 2:And so, like I feel, like, as somebody who is just in the like health and wellness space in general, like I have to be educated enough to be able to like, if somebody is kind of going down a path that maybe is not going to be the most effective thing for them, like I at least can say like hey, you know, I think you're going to get a little bit more bang for buck if you may be like you know, instead of like a, like a really good example and like not to, I guess, go down a rabbit hole. But you know, like I think like the like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Well, I'll bounce off of him real quick. I think he hits a great point. I'm not at a point right now where I would be like, hey, this is. You need this specific diet, you need to go down to this, something like that. But I think we know enough, like you said, to be dangerous to be at broad strokes. Not one diet is going to fit everybody, but ultimately, like for me, you and I have talked about it.
Speaker 3:I like to kind of research some of that stuff and then I feel really comfortable passing that research on to people. Or hey, this is a really good resource, this is a really good podcast. If you should give this a listen to try to help guide them to what I what would feel like the right place with some of that stuff. So ultimately I'm just trying to be a really good resource for it. You know, if I've tried something personally, then sure I'll communicate that with them. Hey, I've done this, this is why I did it, this is what I saw with it.
Speaker 3:But I'm just going to try to give them positive reassurance with things that I'm comfortable with and then hopefully give them some really good guidance moving forward so they can make the best educated decision, cause that's ultimately what's going to be best for every individual person, versus trying to slap a label on something and say, hey, you're do this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the ketogenic diet.
Speaker 2:So I was going to say the, uh, the, the ketosis diet, and I was like that doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2:No, like, obviously, you know like reducing the, the amount of carbs that you're eating, like can be beneficial, you know, but I think for some people, like, if that doesn't kind of align with their goals, like you know, if you're like an endurance athlete, you're coming to me and you're like man, I'm trying to, like you know, shed a few pounds, thinking about, uh, you know, taking out carbs, it's like well, no, like we need carbs.
Speaker 2:Like you know, like, uh, you know you're using a lot of those or you're exercising, and so you know being able to at least like generally provide guidance on that stuff I think is uh important. But you know, I think, as far as, like you know, um, the education and like medical schools and stuff like that, I think you know it it does get covered providers just don't have the time to be able to like really give concrete advice. You know to patients, like it's so complex, it takes so much time to, like, you know, walk somebody through that. But I think it's like you know. You know, I think a lot of you know like kind of allopaths out there that are like super passionate about that stuff and their own like personal journey with their own health, but like they just aren't in a setting that even would like allow for them to have those conversations with their patients.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I love everything that you guys are doing. Everything that you're about it's. You're doing a fabulous job. Can you tell the listeners how they can find you and can you run through the 11 locations? Oh?
Speaker 3:yeah, Well, I'm down in Paola. We are just a little bit off the main drag. I run that clinic. I currently also have a PT Michael go ahead with where you're at.
Speaker 2:So I'm at our 91st and Metcalf location, kind of the heart of Overland Park. We do have three clinics in Overland Park actually, so I'm kind of like right in the center of it. We also have a location down in South Opie, our Blue Valley Clinic. We have another one that's just on kind of the Opie-Leeward border of 117th and Nall and Shawnee Raymoor, olathe Lee's, summit, liberty, crossroads, crossroads, thank you. And then we're just getting ready to open up one in KCK, near the Legends, that's going to be co-located inside of one of the home field facilities which we're really excited about.
Speaker 1:Oh cool, I just interviewed one of the home field guys.
Speaker 2:That's so funny.
Speaker 3:Oh very cool.
Speaker 1:He was just on last Friday. Oh, that's so awesome yeah.
Speaker 3:The one is also in a home field, and then mine, raymoor, and is it just Leawood, are also co-located with Sauna Orthopedics.
Speaker 1:Okay, we do have some of those too. Mm hmm, mm, hmm. All right, so give us your, your handle on social and then your website, so they can find you that way too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, fitmjccom is the website, and then, yeah, and then at fitmjc is our company. Wide Instagram I am on Instagram. I generally reshare fits posts. Uh, that's how. That's how I do most of my social media. Uh, resharing, I'm not super active.
Speaker 1:Uh, that's okay.
Speaker 2:Michael Michael Allison. Um, just all all one. Uh, yeah, kind of long, and then uh, the O is a zero.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, all right.
Speaker 3:Mine is underscore R Williams underscore I know very original.
Speaker 1:All right, well, gentlemen, thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule to be here. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. This was a lot of fun. This is awesome. It was fun. Thanks, this is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:This is awesome. It was fun, thanks. I always love visiting with individuals so passionate about their profession. It is a contagious energy that they carry with them in every appointment. I can vouch for that. You heard them both mention their personal social handles, but you can find Fit, muscle and Joint at fitmjccom, whether you're looking for care for yourself, you want to collaborate with them or just to keep them in the back of your mind for future reference. I think you'll be pleased. I'll list the info in the show notes, but feel free to reach out to me with any questions by emailing info at spandexandwinecom or you can use my text line 913-392-2877.
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