How Red And Near-Infrared Light May Boost Energy, Support Recovery, And Aid Fat Loss

What if better light could change how you feel, move, and age? We sit down with Dr. Carl, a veteran chiropractor and light therapy pioneer, to unpack how full-body red and near-infrared systems aim to boost cellular energy, accelerate recovery, and support fat loss without extremes. From the earliest “flashlight” gadgets to today’s medical-grade beds, we trace what actually matters—cool-running LEDs placed close to the skin, full-body coverage, and adjustable settings that fit different bodies and goals.

We break down two distinct mechanisms. First, fat loss: specific red wavelengths can temporarily increase the permeability of fat cell membranes, helping mobilize stored contents into the lymphatic system for processing. Pair that with realistic nutrition—less sugar and refined starch, fewer sodas, moderated alcohol—and you create a path off the yo-yo cycle. Second, whole-body support: near-infrared light interacts with cytochrome c oxidase in your mitochondria, helping restore ATP production toward normal. Because ATP powers nearly every cell, people often report more energy, better recovery, steadier mood, and improved training capacity.

You’ll also hear how to evaluate devices beyond hype: why heat blocks penetration, how distance kills intensity, and which features—close-fitting arrays, pulsing options, and individualized dosing—move the needle. We cover safety guardrails, expectations for maintenance versus quick fixes, and practical ways to try sessions locally or integrate a bed into a wellness business with training and coaching.

If you care about healthy aging, midlife strength, and simple habits that compound—like walking more, lifting smart, sleeping well—this conversation gives you a clear, science-informed lens on red light therapy and how to use it wisely. Enjoy the episode, then share it with a friend who’s curious about recovery or weight plateaus. If it resonates, follow the show, leave a five-star review, and tell us: what result would you hope to see first?

Transcript

Community Updates & March Step Challenge

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey everyone, welcome back to the Spandex and Wine Podcast. Today's episode is a deep dive into red light therapy. I brought on a specialist who shares a lot of detail, so get ready to learn. But before we jump into that, I wanted to share two things happening in our community right now. First, I'm kicking off a step into spring. It is a step challenge for the month of March. It's simple, it's powerful, and something that every single one of us can do as long as you have a tracker, and that's walk more. Participants will set their own daily goals as far as how many steps you want to take, and I'll be checking in with encouragement and accountability. You guys walking supports bone density, heart health, blood sugar stability, lymphatic flow, your mood, stamina. And I think sometimes we overcomplicate wellness. And this is just a reminder that small, consistent habits truly move the needle. So if you want N, you can text March to 91339392-2877, and I will make sure that I get you added. And then second, I'm super excited about this, the Midlife Collective is officially underway. That is a community for women focused on strength, energy, clarity, and what I call joy-focused wellness. So building health without extremes. Each month includes a simple workout plan, supportive connection via Zoom that we'll do once a month, and then conversations that help you age strong and on purpose. My favorite part are going to be will probably be the Zoom calls, but I'm also going to be allowing the collective members to be part of some of my podcast interviews. You'll be able to hop on, listen to everything that the guest has to say, and after we get done recording that episode, there'll be a QA and you'll be able to ask anything that you want to ask. So I think that is just going to be phenomenal. So if that sounds like something you'd like more information about, you can always reach out to me directly. You have my text line, 392-913-392-2877, and then you can email me at info at spandexnwine.com if you'd like that information. Okay, so now let's dive into today's conversation on red light therapy with Carl Rothschild. Hello. Hello. How are you today? I'm good. And yourself? I am doing well, thank you. I'm anxious to talk to you.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

That's a great intro. I mean, I like it as opposed to you again.

unknown 2:37

Right.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Well, welcome to the show.

unknown 2:41

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

Yes. I I it's it's funny because on social media I feel like red light therapy keeps showing up on my feed. And now I'm wondering, is it showing up for a reason? Like, is this something I should be doing? I don't know much about it. So I'm anxious to learn from you today.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

I'm anxious to tell you about the miraculous results we are hearing and seeing from blow you away. I mean, it's gonna surprise you.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

Okay, okay. I can't wait. So let's just start with we'll start with your background first.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Of course. So are we starting?

SPEAKER_03 3:18

Yes, yeah. Actually, okay, so wait a second. Now I'll I'll edit that part off.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Um throughout the conversation, you can just call me Dr. Carl. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Perfect. Okay, so let's I'm gonna start over so I can just edit that part out, okay? Yep. Okay. Dr. Carl, thank you so much for being here. Welcome to the show.

Early Red Light Experiments & Surprises

From Devices To Full-Body Bed

Dramatic Case Stories & Outcomes

What To Look For In A Quality Bed

SPEAKER_00 3:40

My pleasure. I love sharing my knowledge. Um, you know, I started in the natural healing world when I was a hippie back in the 70s. And uh my version of being a hippie, what I mean by that is that I just did not emphasize money, I emphasized taking care of people. I'm really yeah, my goal was to help as many people as I possibly could in a natural healing way that has no side effects and could not possibly hurt anybody. Yeah. And uh that starts back in the 70s. So I'm not a kid. You can't tell. So then uh about 26 years ago, give or take, I was introduced to red light therapy by a medical doctor of all of all people, because the medical profession has not taken to red light therapy. And the reason is because it's a revenue killer. They can make a lot more money not doing red light therapy than they would ever do doing red light therapy. We can table that conversation, but at any rate. Um, and he was an orthopedic surgeon who was actually crazy like me. He really wanted to help people, and money was not his motivating factor. And he gives me at the time, it was the only device at all that was for humans, and uh it looked like a flashlight, and he said, Yeah, shine it on your patients, and it's gonna make a difference. And I thought he was crazy. Seriously, yeah. And uh I said, okay, I mean, he's a famous, relatively famous MD out of USC out here in California. He's a professor, he's well known. Let's try it. So within a month, let's just say that it revolutionized my practice. I was able to heal things I never believed possible. And this was with a device that's thousands of times weaker than what we're currently using now. So we were having good results, and sometimes, you know, not as consistent results as we are going to see now. But uh this lady comes in with gum disease. She goes, Can you help me with now? I'm not a dentist. Right. The only thing we knew back then is that we couldn't hurt somebody. That was it. That we they didn't know how and why it worked. They knew that it has never, there's never been, and in fact, in the 50 years that they studies this technology, there's never been a recorded side effect. So you couldn't hurt somebody with this stuff if you tried. Huh. And uh so I said, why not? You have gum disease, let's see what happens. And sure enough, her gums pinked up. They were getting black and ugly. And then this guy has a kidney issue, and I go, I'm not a kidney expert, although I know more about kidneys than most. Um, and his kidneys peaked up, his his blood chemistries came back near normal, and then it just continued on. I mean, with all kinds of musculoskeletal issues, it was wouldn't matter. I mean, we would couldn't hurt, right? Right. Worst that'll happen is nothing, and so I used it a lot on a lot of people. But then, and and then as you know, with the world of technology, things got better, they got more powerful, they got better penetration. And uh, so I followed along all the ways. We started that first device was a class one, and we went all the ways with the technology and improving and getting better, all the ways to class four, which is max. And uh, but then about 13 give or take years ago, it was discovered by accident, as many scientific studies are. Finding the results usually happen or often happen out of a mistake or wasn't expected. So they found that there was an element of red light, um, and only red light, that will shrink fat cells. They didn't know why it happened, they thought it melted the fat or something, but it would help in reducing fat in the individual. And knowing what I know, my mother was an executive of Weight Watchers when I was very young, when from that point on that I never had a good thing to eat again at home, which meant that spaghetti, we had bean sprouts instead of spaghetti. We didn't have anything good to eat from it. But I did learn a lot about weight loss and health and heal and and incorporating that it was a chiropractor. If you can get somebody to take that 40 pounds off, the spine's gonna respond beautifully compared to the burden that that weight would have on their spine. So I was working with weight loss my whole career, and I got to tell you, it ain't always that easy. There are people who are absolutely obsessed with food, and that you know, they're they're thinking about the uh the uh pizza that's left over from last night in the refrigerator while they're at work and they can't wait to get home to eat it. This is this is the craziness. But also, there are people that are in a situation, no matter what they do, it doesn't seem like they can lose the weight. So I knew that if and you could see if you see all the ads, people are willing to do almost anything to lose it's true. Still inject themselves or take pills that they don't even know what the side effects could possibly be. And I come from a science of we don't put anything in the body that doesn't belong there, and we're not going to yank anything out that does belong there unless there's no other resort. There's nothing else we can possibly do as a natural healer. That's not my interest. So injecting somebody with stuff that years down the road, the attorneys love this because two or three years down the road, they're now suing the pharmaceutical company for having put that stuff out. But we know weight loss is extremely popular. Yeah. In fact, I have marketing companies that will tell me that no matter what they advertise, they get the biggest bang from fat loss advertising, helping people with lose weight. So I got really even more so into red light therapy at that point. Um, and that was about 13 years ago, and started manufacturing. And we were involved with lasers, with small lasers and pads and panels and all this stuff, and we were having good results, um, not just with fat loss, but with healing and all kinds of stuff. And then COVID hit. And our practitioners wanted less physical contact between the patient and the provider. And so to that end, we came up with this thing here called the bed. Now, this is version six of what we first came out with, but um it was just supposed to be a substitute for what we had up until that point, it wasn't going to be anything more than that. But within a month of us having delivered the first series of beds, we started getting feedback that was unbelievable. So I'm gonna give you an example. This guy, the the the practitioner calls me up and says, Look at a guy's coming in tomorrow who's having heart attacks regularly, averaging one if not twice a week for 12 to 13 years. Wow. Should I even treat him? And even if we do, what can we do for him? When I start my lectures, I'll when it's to the pre practitioners, I'll say, What would you do if someone called you up and said, Hey, I'm having a heart attack regularly, yeah. Exactly. What would you do? Yeah, the medical profession didn't have an answer. What they had did done is they implanted a defibrillator into his chest. So every time he died, it would zap him back to life. But he was dying by the time we met him. There was no answer except for some drugs to cover up. They didn't have an answer, and quite frankly, I wasn't sure I had an answer. But we have on this hand, knowing that the worst that'll happen is nothing, so we couldn't hurt. So I told the practitioner, I said, let's just treat him for five minutes. Now, treatment is normally 12 minutes, let's just treat him for five minutes and stay in the room the whole time. And that patient went home that night, and and first of all, that was almost two years ago. He's had more treatment, but he's never had a heart attack since. Oh, everything that he was complaining about. When you you want to kill off a part of your body, restrict blood flow. So every part of his body was dying, his energy was gone, his erectile dysfunction was taken over. I mean, he had no clarity, he couldn't even walk around the block. He had been an athlete prior to this, huh? And after that first visit, and ever since, everything's come back to life. Everything. Wow. No more erectile dysfunction, his energy is through the roof. In fact, that's the term he uses. He said, What I wasn't expecting is that my energy is now through the roof. And he discusses having gone to church, and uh and the practitioner and the uh parishioners would all come up to him and say, Wow, you look so different. One lady said, You have found life again. And he goes, Yep, red light therapy.

SPEAKER_03 12:46

That is so wild. Okay, so what's the science behind it? How does it work?

Two Mechanisms: Fat Loss vs Healing

SPEAKER_00 12:50

No, I'm not gonna give that to you yet. I got a really okay. Sorry. I wasn't sweating before I tell you that one. Okay. So it is it is unbelievable. I mean, so at any rate, we created that bed. It it blew our minds, the kind of success and results that we were having. And uh, you know what? I will tell you how it works. So it's gonna surprise you that it affects every cell of your body. So when it sounds like snake oil, because it's affecting all the tissues of your body, I apologize. But it it is, I mean, it does help any tissue that can get in contact with the lights. So for that reason, what we learned is that when you bathe the whole body at the same time, and that's what the bed came in. Again, we weren't doing the bed for the reasons I'm telling you. We did the bed as a substitute for what we had before with the bed, you don't even need staff. So when someone says, How much did I cost? I said, Well, first off, you save$2,000 a month on average because you don't need staff for this. Second of all, it costs about$1,400 a month to lease. This is a medical-grade high-end piece of equipment. And I'm gonna explain to you later why it is more expensive than the stuff that they sell on Amazon or that you get from China. I mean, this is okay. I was gonna ask about that. Medical grade high-end stuff. That's not subtle. The results are not subtle. The results are scary, they're so great. I know that sounds corny, and you know, people are gonna be rolling their eyes. That's exactly what I did when 26 years ago or 27 years ago, when the medical doctor said, Yeah, take this flashlight and shine it on somebody. And I must have my eyes must have been rolling out of my head because I did not believe it.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Yeah.

Diet Principles To Support Fat Loss

SPEAKER_00 14:45

So if you're rolling your eyes now, God bless you. Uh but but if you're smart, you at least try it, right? I'm telling everybody that if you get in the bed six times, that's three times a week for two weeks. Okay, try it. And if after six visits you don't see any change, it's not for you. Or they forgot to plug the bed in. That's the only two things I can think of. Because guess how many people don't see some change after six visits? Next to nobody. So I don't care what you have. Parkinson's Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, all um, any autoimmune disease, rheumatoid arthritis in particular, uh, any skin thing. I don't care what the skin is psoriasis, glutathic, black psoriasis, psoriatic arthritis, anything in the eye, the mouth, and work your way all the way down the whole body, inside and out, left and right, front and back, top and bottom, we are seeing spectacular results. So it's scary. And and I come across, maybe like you think, I'm crazy, but just try it. I'm not in practice, so I'm not inviting you to my office because I don't have one. Yeah, I'm too busy with all the other stuff I'm doing. I would not do justice by my patients if I was in practice right now. But I was in practice for 40 something years. Oh, yeah, I started in 78 as a chiropractor. And so I've been around for a long time and I've incorporated you know, chiropractors love to they love toys in our practices. We have tons of toys. Uh, you know, you go in and they have cold plunge, or they have hyperbaric chambers, or they have this, or they have that, and they're all good. I have no objection to any of that. But if I'm on a on an island and they go, look at we you're going to a desert, a deserted island, and you only can take one thing besides electricity.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

I'm bringing the bed because I oh interesting. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

I mean, I I know all these other things are fine, they're good. And as I said, chiropractors love toys. So we've had all these different things, but I've never seen the kind of unbelievable results that we see with red light therapy. Again, with a bed that it's got to be a full body bed that covers the every as many tissues of the body as possible.

SPEAKER_03 16:57

Okay, okay. So, like when I see on my my social feed and I see red light therapy and this and that, it's not you're saying don't go get the Amazon thing, it has to be your whole body has to be exposed.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Oh, okay. I didn't say that they're bad. Okay. If you want the miraculous results, if you want the in the the the spectacular, I don't have an objection to the face, the helmet, the pad, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

They're fine.

Mitochondria, ATP & Why Light Helps

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Okay, okay. And before we made the bed, they were the best we had. Okay. But the truth of the matter is that you want a full-body experience, you want medical grade lights, and I'm gonna explain that in just a little while. Why it's important that the lights be of a higher caliber. Okay. Most of the beds, if not close to all the other beds out there, use low quality. They want to get, they want to sell it cheap and they want to make as much profit as they can, and they buy cheap lights. You can tell the lights are cheap, number one, because they get hot. By definition, the type of therapy that we do is called cold therapy. It doesn't literally get cold, but it shouldn't get it can't. If it gets hot, that's a problem. Why is heat the problem? Heat, when I when I go into a room when I was in practice, uh the nurse would have put a hot pack on the person's back sometimes. And when I go in, I'm gonna take that hot pack off of the person, and then the the skin is gonna be bright red. Now, why is that? Because heat brings more blood to the surface. Right. We don't want that. That's gonna block the penetration of the light. So if you have hot lights, that's a problem. The second phase of a hot light is that the way you'll know it's hot, not only by touching it, but that the lights are gonna be way off your body. So if you do have a bed that has this high arcing dome, you know that their lights are of inferior quality. They can't bring the lights right onto your body. You want the lights right on your body because as you come away from the lights, you lose power exponentially. When I first went into practice with the laser, well, let me rephrase that. When I first got in light therapy with the laser that we used, we were working at a plastic surgery center to assist them post-surgically to show them how red light could assist them by accelerating the healing and by getting limiting the scarring dramatically. And it worked, and it was fantastic. But there, we were seeing the person the second day, it was disgusting. I mean, they're losing their state, they're bleeding, they're losing. So we couldn't have the lights right on their body. Okay, yeah. So we had to have it off a little bit, and that was frustrating for us, but that was the best we could do because they were incredible what we were going through. But they had great success. But we would we would have better success once it's healed up a little bit, then we can be right on the skin. Being on the skin is important. Having cold lights, not hot lights, is important. Have the capability of customizing the treatment. So someone who's 400 pounds, a 400-pounder can absorb a lot more of this energy without getting hot. They have a lot more flesh to absorb that. And an 80-pounder who has set next to zero flesh, extra flesh, um, they can't they can't handle the dose of the 400-pounder. So, with a bed, you want to be able to customize that bed. So a 400-pounder and 80-pounder get uniquely different treatments. That makes sense. Customize it for them. Also, we have the capability of pulsing the wave. So, so maybe in any of your podcasts, if you work with people with resonating frequencies, healing frequencies, um, PEMF, all kinds of frequency healing, we now have that capability with our bed to pulse the wave. And we have certain settings that we assist the person, very easy to change. Uh, settings for healing, for fat loss, for things like that. And uh, so you have you want to have the lights close to you, you want to have strong lights that don't get hot, you want to have lights that you can customize the treatment between individuals, and you want to have the big capability of pulsing that wave. Yeah. I still haven't told you why it works.

SPEAKER_03 21:12

So I know, I'm waiting.

Mental Health, Maintenance, And Limits

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Drag this out. So there are two completely different mechanisms. On this hand is fat loss, and that was only discovered a little over 12 years ago. And it was by accident that they discovered it, and we're gonna talk about that in a second, and then the second mechanism is everything else that's the healing, that's the hair restoration. Anything else not related to fat loss, I'm gonna talk about that second. Okay. I want to go over some words with you.

unknown 21:46

Okay.

Finding Locations & Who Should Buy

SPEAKER_00 21:46

First of all, the word there is red light, and then there is infrared. Okay. So red is burns red. I mean it's bright red. Infrared, which there's no such word. Is just infrared. It's either far infrared or near infrared. Far infrared is just a fancy way of getting deep penetrating heat. And it's fine. And it's invisible to the naked eye as well. But it's fine. But you're going to get heat. Okay. That's it. And if that only goal I had was to give you heat, I'd just uh get take a hot shower, get in a jacuzzi, whatever. That's not what we're doing here. The other side of infrared is near infrared. That's what used to be called cold laser, cold therapy, because it's literally, it's not literally cold, it just doesn't get hot. And so they used to call that cold laser. We call it near infrared. So when you see our bed, we were the first ones 13 something years ago to integrate near infrared and red together. So when I say red light therapy, I'm talking about the integration of red and near infrared. So red is fine for fat loss. In fact, it's the only range of wavelengths that will help with fat loss. And we're going to talk about that mechanism in a second. It also does some healing, but the near infrared is the miraculous wavelength range that really makes huge differences. And we're going to talk about that. But let's talk about the red and fat loss right now. And this is simple. But when it first came out that many 12, 13 years ago, they they thought it melted the fat because the results are not subtle. I mean, it really works, but they thought it melted the fat. And so my first company, when we found about that, we called it Lipo Melt. Well, it doesn't melt the fat, so I've had to change the name. But at any rate, um, so it doesn't melt the fat. So then what does happen? And what they finally discovered is that what happens is certain elements of red light will actually change the fat cell wall to become more porous temporarily. It's not like freezing the fat, which destroys the fat, or boiling, or lasering it, or radio frequency or ultrasonic cavitations about destroying fat cells. Listen, fat cells have a bad rap, they have a bad name. It's a bad name because everyone thinks, well, fat cells, let's kill them. You know what? They're essential tissue. And as a chiropractor, we don't believe in destroying tissue. We don't believe in, as I said, putting anything in the body or taking anything out that belongs there. So here you are, just on the one hand, they're destroying fat cells. We're not. We're changing the permeability of the fat cell wall, which means changing the fat cell wall to be temporarily one day being more porous, allowing the fat contents to leak out. And then with our unique protocol, we move the fat away from the fat cells into the lymphatic system, eventually to the liver for use or elimination. And that's so when someone's on that diet, we want to make sure they have great liver support. And we're not saying red light only. You can't go home and get drunk and overeat every night and do red light. That's self-defeating and harmful. Um, so that's not what we're suggesting, but you don't have to go in such a strict diet. I'm not interested in people going on a diet. I'm looking at lifetime changes. So if you go on a diet, by definition, there's an end to that diet. Now you go back to the way you used to eat, you put all the fat back on. Right. And that ups and downs that that it's terrible for the body. It's worse than if you just stayed fat or stayed slim. But the ups and downs, like a roller coaster, is the worst thing for you. So instead of having an outrageously strict diet, you go in what we call a calorically neutral diet, which limits the poisons. You know what the poison is? Sugar.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Yeah.

Business Model, Training & Insurance

Safety, Contraindications & Practical Access

How To Connect & Closing CTA

SPEAKER_00 26:01

I'm sorry to say that. That sugar in its many forms, the way we consume it, is worse than almost any poison out there. And there are so many people dying from all the sugar intake that they have. So you want to limit, if not eliminate, starch your carbohydrates, which is your pastas and breads and all that stuff. You want to limit, if not eliminate, sugar, simple sugars like cakes and things like that. And then you want to limit sodas, both sugar, both the uh diet sodas as well as regular sodas, because they have problems onto themselves, and then alcohol. Of all of those, alcohol is probably the worst because the way the body handles alcohol screws up the diet completely. Yeah. So it doesn't mean never gonna have these things. You know, I know that people, when you keep them completely away from something, then that's all they want. Right, right. You try to do this in a way where you just ease into it and then try to make that a lifetime change. That's my suggestion. I want to agree as an aside, the reason why some people don't take care of themselves is because they're not scared enough. So I want you to have a conversation with your 75-year-old self. You're 30 right now, let's say. I want you to have that conversation with your 75-year-old self. And is your 75-year-old self crying and thinking, why couldn't you do a better job? I'm sitting here in a wheelchair, I can't feed myself, I can't wipe myself. I'm not, I can't, you can really think. Don't do that to yourself. Yeah, and the reason why I mean, I got scared because I'd have all these patients coming to my office, and I gotta admit something. I don't say it out loud, I never said it out loud, but there were times when I thought, please, God, don't let me wind up like that because they're a mess. Yeah, yeah. And just remember the reason why you're not gonna get a lot of assistance from this is because health doesn't sell, you don't make money off of healthy people, right? Money off of sick people. That's frustrating. In this country where money where money is the only thing that sometimes talks, and the health industry is all about making money in some ways, you still need to be careful about who's telling you what to do. Right. I could go on forever, as you can tell. I wrote the book, nice, and our YouTube channel. See, I still haven't told you how and why the works. And I also recommend you go to the website, and we'll talk more about that. Okay, I'm in love with this stuff. And remember, in your life, what really pushes anything in your life is belief and passion. If you believe in something and you have passion about it, even if you're a lousy communicator, you can build a practice, you can build uh an empire with that kind of thing. I agree. Yes. And when you were like me in the 70s, wanting to help as many people as you possibly can, how would you feel if almost every day someone contacts you and says, Thank you for giving me my life back? So rewarding. Not in practice. Why do you think I did this? And so we get a guy that couldn't walk his walking. We got a guy that couldn't see. I had a guy that was going blind. He had the equivalent of multiple sclerosis of his retina. It's called Libra's hereditary optic neuropathy. Look it up. Okay. And he was guaranteed to go blind. Wow. And he got, and he had headaches, including migraine headaches and many other symptoms. And he started using red light with us, and uh relatively quickly, we did not we're not able to regain what he's already lost, but we halted the progression. They've never seen that before. And did we anticipate that? No. Again, we said, Well, what do we got to lose, right? You got nothing to lose. The worst that'll happen is nothing. Get in the bed for six visits, that's three times a week for two weeks, 12 minutes of dose. That's it. So now let's talk about how the healing happens. And I don't even know if I'm allowed to use the word healing, but how that other side works. Okay. And the research is there. Go to Google Scholar, which is scholar.google.com. It looks just like Google, but it's just a free version. Okay, good to know. I'm gonna send you all this information, but okay. You go to Google Scholar, it looks again. You go to Google and put in Google Scholar. It'll take to Google Scholar, which is again scholar.google.com. And then you put in the word red light therapy or phrase, red light therapy. Okay, and you click enter and take a guess how many entries you're gonna see of double blind studies, research papers, articles, all kinds of stuff. And would you believe over three and a half million entries? Wow, some not all of them are perfect, as you know, some of them may only be studying things that are not pertinent, but it but there's a lot of information out there. And then if you want to really filter it down, red light therapy, that phrase, and then lupus or anything that's of interest to you. Okay, instead of taking my word for it, learn how incredible this stuff is. Yeah, and I'm gonna tell you something. I'm 72 years old, about to be 73, and I get in the bed three times a week because and I don't have a particular ailment, but I try, I taught my patients always it's about being like a burning candle. I'm sorry, I was supposed to mute this. That's okay. It's about it's I liken it to a candle that burns bright all the way from the very beginning to the end and then sputters out and dies. That's how you should live your life, not the last 20 years being a mess. Yeah. So um, I'm gonna mute this thing, which I was supposed to do in the first place.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

Oh, you're totally fine. You're totally fine. No, it's so interesting. I I mean I've heard people swear by red light therapy, and I just didn't know that much about it. So, like I said, I was anxious to learn more. So, this is so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

So, now we're gonna go into biology class. Okay. As we enter the classroom, what I learned was that there is one mitochondria in every cell, and that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of your body. The powerhouse of the body, which is the reason why you breathe oxygen and eat food, it creates by that mixture a the what they call the energy currency of the body or ATP. So that ATP is the only way that your body will function with energy, with healing, with any of that stuff. So if you have a lousy amount of ATP in your body, you won't function as well. And it will eventually lead to disease and death. But but if you get that mitochondria to come back to life and have it functioning at 100%, then you will that that's why this is so global. This is your whole body's made up of tissue, every all your tissues are made up of cells, and every cell has mitochondria. Now, I was taught one mitochondria in every cell. Not true. The heart, which has the highest demand of your body, has over 5,000 mitochondria in each of the heart cells. Oh my god. That would you believe that the heart that the mitochondria makes up 10% of your body weight? Oh my gosh. 10% of your body weight that includes liquid and and you know, blood and and wow, bone, and hair and all that. That's 90% of and and fluid and whatever, 10% of your body weight is made up of mitochondria. Huh. So it behooves us to get our mitochondria working really well. Yes. What did they learn? Well, what they learned is that essentially it's sunlight. So when you send hundreds of years, they've told people go out in the sun, it'll help you. Imagine taking sunlight, the only the healing elements, not UV light, right, not blue light, which is screws up the circadian rhythm of the body, but just the healing red and near infrared, and magnifying it many, many times, and then driving it deep into someone's body, and covering again again, it's important to bathe the whole body at the same time. So, what happens is with our unique lights, what we're doing is we're driving this beautiful light into the body, just like sunlight, but magnifying many times, and in the each mitochondria are the elements called cytochrome C oxidase, cytochrome C oxidase, which is an enzyme, which is a chromophore. What does that mean? It means it's stimulated by sunlight. Not everything in your body is stimulated by sunlight, but you know your skin is that's how you tan. And there are internal organs and body body parts in your body that are also affected. So if somebody never got sunlight and never got in our bed, that would not be good. No, that would lead to disease, and I don't want to say death, but it ain't good. Right. So you want that sunlight, but in lieu of the sunlight or on top of the sunlight, you're using this bed three times a week by default. Now, some of you are healthier after you get to reach your goal. Let's say someone comes in with an ailment or a problem, once they're doing much better, their maintenance may only be once a week. My maintenance is three times a week. So, what it does is it that's that light that we have stimulates the cytochrome C oxidase to stimulate the mitochondria to come back to health, to stimulate the production of ATP, production to normal, not more than normal. We're bringing the body back to normal. And so that's why it's so global. That's why it sounds like snake oil, where we can affect and help just about any part of your body. So, starting with the top of your head, the lights can get through the skull and get to the brain. So, this lady wrote me this note and she said, if this is how normal people feel every day, I can't believe I've been missing out all this time. And she was highly depressed, she hated her life. Besides the uh nightmares that she was having and all kinds of stuff. After two weeks of using the bed, it turned everything around. Now she continues to use it. You know, if people will ask me, is it permanent? Yeah. And I tell them, yes. If I can put you in a freezer and guarantee that you never get any older and guarantee you don't do the same stupid things that you did to get you here in the first place, it's permanent. In other words, nothing's permanent, right? Right. And the one thing we can't help, no matter who how great you are as a healer, the one thing we cannot help is a person's gonna get older. That's gonna happen. But again, I talked about the candle, and it's all about aging as gracefully as possible. And that's what we do here helping somebody great age gracefully.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

I love it so we talked about how it works, how it's global, what you should be looking for in a high-end piece of equipment. But I suggest if there are three possibilities. So if you go to our trifectal light.com and go to the contact us page, okay. On the left side of that page, I believe it says find the location closest to you.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

That's what I was just gonna ask. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

We can't list all the for privacy reasons, we're not allowed to list all the locations. So when you fill that out, we will then get somebody to not by phone, we'll email you the closest locations to you. Oh, okay. If there is not a location closest to you, then it is your obligation, not you, but your listeners' obligation, to find a practitioner to get one of these in your neighborhood. I'm telling you, they will thank you. On the right side are are the possibilities of people wanting to buy a bed. Now, there are two reasons to buy the bed. One for home use. If you have more money than health, you want one of these in your home. And I'm telling you, it will you will thank me. But the reason why people don't take care of themselves, not only because they're not scared enough, is but you have no idea what it costs to be sick. Yeah, you don't know if you've never been in a hospital, you don't know. Like there are things out there that would blow you away how expensive it is to be sick. So this one patient, she had 16 serious problems. When I send you these videos, her name is Jessica. Watch the video on that's Jessica. Just if you can also, you want to watch the one on Arnette, he was the one with the heart attacks. Also, you want to watch the one with Jerisha, she was the one with the stroke. And after eight visits, she was better than she was before she ever had the stroke.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

Wow, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

Was we were we expecting that? No. Were we hoping? Yes, but you never know, right?

unknown 39:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Now we know stroke, no problem. Now we know with Parkinson's, phenomenal results. Now we know with dementia, phenomenal results. And it just goes on and on. So, anyhow, on the right side, you're gonna have two possibilities. You're gonna buy it for your home. I mean, if you know if if you want to buy it, there are two possibilities buy for your home, or even better, more of people out there are buying it for their business. If you want your business to explode, it's like a magnet. So many people are gonna want to sign up to have this, get have this experience. And after a while, they're gonna refer so many people to your facility, it will grow by leaps and bounds. So I had uh I spoke to this lady, she told me after I interviewed her for her testimonial. She said, and by the way, I referred 18 people to the office that she was going to somewhere in the east, and that's not unusual because remember, it's not satisfied patients that refer. Yeah, it's excited patients that refer. Absolutely, absolutely never going to see more excited patients than you will when they tell you what they couldn't do and what they can do, but they were experiencing, they couldn't walk, they're walking. They could we have this one guy, his name is Joey. Watch that video. So, Joey couldn't, he had he had Charcomerie tooth disease, which is a weird name for an autoimmune disease. And there was nothing they could do for him. Couldn't walk for 15 years, pain every day. And after six visits, and he was one of the first ones to say, thank you for giving me my life back. He was one of the first ones to say that. Um, but he's walking, treadmill after six visits. Wow, no more pain. I mean, it's just it's incredible.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

It is incredible.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

I talked to you about it getting through the brain and the eyes. Um, like I said, I can go on forever. Again, I do recommend people get this book. It's called Illuminated Healing. Um, I don't make a dime off of this. This is all for any profit that comes from that is going to charity. But it's a great way to spread the word about red light therapy. It's well written. I know this because I wrote it, but I'm a decent writer, but I had these editors, they were spruced it up, and man, they made it really good. So it really is a very good book. Uh, you do want to get the book more about it. And it comes in audible version, so you can listen to me for eight and a half hours, or you can get the book itself, or you can get it on Kindle, which is only a few dollars, and you can then read it on your computer. And then I do recommend you go to the YouTube channel. Okay. And uh it's great, it's really a good YouTube. Uh uh, our YouTube channel is great, has over 120 videos, I think. Um subjects in matter and and whatnot. But I'm also going to send you additional videos and stuff that you're welcome to share with your okay. So perfect.

unknown 42:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

I think if I've told you everything I need to tell you, but do you have any questions?

SPEAKER_03 42:58

Well, I think you've answered almost everything. My, you know, I was going to ask, like, so if you purchase it for your business, is there some kind of training you need to go through or is it just a good question?

SPEAKER_00 43:08

So we include 32 things with the purchase, and that of course includes business in a box, which not only includes all the training you're going to need, but we also assign you to a coach. Now, listen, when I graduated chiropractic school, I got out of there and I didn't I knew chiropractic, but I didn't know anything about being in business, marketing, managing employees or anything. So I hired a coach. And the reason why I did better in the beginning than most of my classmates is because I hired this coach that really showed me what I needed to do. And I knew from the beginning with this program that we would want to include a coach. So we have this great coach, coach, who will help you to really figure out well, how much should I cost charge? And how do I collect the money and all that sort of stuff? So we have coaching, but then you have all the other things that you're going to need. Need to be successful. All the files, folders, videos, forms. I have, I'm a little bit of a nut, so I have I'm very organized. So I have every on a series of many spreadsheets, I have all the stuff that you're going to need to be highly successful.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

Awesome. Very cool. Huh. And then I'm assuming that you could use um HSA to pay for your services. Okay. Okay.

unknown 44:24

Huh.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

So insurance is an interesting thing. HSA is a slam dunk. That's easy. But health insurance is a challenge because then it depends on the practitioner's license. Okay. So if the license of the practitioner is not as high, like the highest are MDs and then nurse practitioners. Those are great licenses. They have a broad uh ability to treat all kinds of stuff. So they can charge a lot more. Me as a chiropractor, um, depends on your state. But California got really tough. When I started in chiropractic, it was incredible. We were reimbursed very well. We were treated very well by the insurance company. But as more, and when I started, there were three of us in a neighborhood that when I retired, there were 100 in the same area. So insurance companies in California really took it to us. And so reimbursement really started to stink. Um, but in particular with with this bed, it's considered red uh unattended red light therapy, and just that term unattended and red light doesn't really say what it can do, it doesn't give you that. So the insurance sometimes they're reimbursement is not great. Okay. So I actually give a class uh with the help of uh my mentor on hiring a nurse practitioner to make your plaque practice, even if even if even if you don't get involved with red light therapy, you might want to consider, and I don't make any money over these things, uh, but with the nurse practitioner, you might want to consider go to the website, go to the contact us page, put in that you want to get this email to me and ask me about hiring a nurse practitioner in your in your business. You don't have to be a practitioner because you're bringing in a nurse practitioner to do all these different things. And now your allowance for what you can build goes sky high, relatively speaking.

SPEAKER_03 46:14

Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't think about that. Okay. Well, very good. Well, I'll make sure that I put all the links in the show notes and anything that you send me, I can add that as well. It's just very interesting, and I'm so glad that I had this opportunity to speak with you.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

Yeah, and get back to me anytime. Uh, as you can tell, I I love this stuff. I love it. Yes. Having a lot of fun with it. Never recorded side effects. I did want to mention uh now that you mentioned that side effects and uh count um contraindications. So there are no side effects. 50 years has never been a recorded side effect. Now, counter and con contraindications mean who shouldn't get in the bed. Right. And between me and you, it's safe for anybody. However, there are legal contraindications. So what that means is in particular pregnant women. This this goes for any therapy. You might want to think twice about treating a pregnant woman for anything with any therapy, because if that baby comes out anything other than perfect, that's one of the most litigious communities, our parents of less than perfect kids. Yeah. They're gonna want to blame somebody for this. And even though we know that the lights could only be helpful to the fetus and the mother, but if that baby comes out anything other than perfect, they're gonna sue whoever's in that neighborhood. So I tell them, yeah, no, just stay out of that neighborhood. Now, if you're a citrician, okay, you knock yourself out. But of course, their malpractice insurance is astronomical.

SPEAKER_03 47:52

I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

Malpractice insurance is minimal, like$2,000,$3,000 a year. And theirs is a quarter of a million dollars a year.

unknown 48:03

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

That's how safe chiropractic is in general, and red lights even safer than that.

SPEAKER_03 48:08

Huh. Interesting. Ah, well, thank you so much, Dr. Carl. I really appreciate it. Before we um, you know, end our session here. Would you just tell everyone on social how they can find you?

SPEAKER_00 48:20

I go to Trifectal Light. Oh, on social? On social?

SPEAKER_03 48:25

Oh, okay. Or on your website, trifectalite.com.

SPEAKER_00 48:29

If you put in Trifectolite official and any of those in Instagram, in Facebook, whatever, I'm sure it would come up. I'm from a different generation. That's okay. And I don't use those things because quite frankly, I don't want to know what people had for breakfast. Yeah, nope, I hear you. I get it. I do a lot of texting, I do a lot of email. Someone says they DM'd me. I'm saying, I'm sorry, but you better text or email me. All you have to do is go to the website, trifectolight.com, go to the contact us page, and just put in whatever they want to know. And I am phenomenal about getting back to people. Uh okay. I have, you know, I I'm good about that.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

That's good to know. Okay. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Did you have fun? I did. It was very interesting. Yes. All right.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

Listen, if I can be of any assistance in the future, just get back with me. But meanwhile, have a great day, okay?

SPEAKER_03 49:22

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