Be the Sun, Not the Salt
The "Be the Sun, Not the Salt” podcast will inspire you, equip you, and remind you HOW to be the better version of yourself - you already know WHY you should be. Dr. Harry Cohen, an unconventional shrink, and his co-host, innovative marketer Connie Fontaine, will interview famous and not-so-famous guests who make being the Sun, and not the Salt, a daily practice. This podcast is based on the tips from the book, "Be the Sun, Not the Salt."
Be the Sun, Not the Salt
#28 Radiant Resilience: Jill Martin's Journey Through Life's Challenges
In this heartfelt episode, we sit down with Jill Martin to explore her inspiring journey from a renowned lifestyle expert and TV personality to a resilient cancer warrior. Jill shares personal anecdotes about her battle with breast cancer, the lessons she’s learned, and how she strives to live by the philosophy of 'Be the Sun, Not the Salt.' We delve into Jill's professional accomplishments, including her successful ventures on QVC and the Today Show, as well as her deeply personal mission to help others facing similar challenges. Jill’s authenticity shines through as she discusses the importance of kindness, empathy, and curating supportive relationships. Her candid reflections offer valuable lessons on resilience, health awareness, and the power of choosing gratitude, even in the face of adversity. Whether she's talking about her cozy Sherpa line or her advocacy work, Jill’s message is clear: spread love, be your best self, and always strive to make a positive impact.
Links & References
The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom (A Toltec Wisdom Book), by Don Miguel Ruiz
Be the Sun, Not the Salt, by Dr. Harry Cohen
About Jill Martin
Jill Martin is an entrepreneur, Emmy Award-winning television personality, and talent on NBC’s TODAY SHOW. She has maintained a successful lifestyle brand on QVC for over a decade, focusing on offering consumers accessible elegance. Following her breast cancer diagnosis, Martin has drawn from her personal journey to launch a new line of apparel that combines style with comfort, all while promoting the importance of health testing and advocating for women's health issues.
In addition to her business and television work, Jill serves on the advisory board of the Garden of Dreams Foundation, a charity connected with the Madison Square Garden family. This foundation aims to positively impact the lives of children facing obstacles.
Jill Martin has earned twelve Emmys for her reporting, particularly with the New York Knicks. She holds a degree in communications from the University of Michigan.
Her multifaceted career reflects her commitment to both entrepreneurship and philanthropy, blending her personal and professional experiences to help others.
To explore the book, or for more episodes, information, tips and tools to live a more heliotropic life, visit us at bethesunnotthesalt.com and find us on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and TikTok.
Jill Martin: [00:00:00] You know what? It's interesting. I lost everything. My eyebrows, my eyelashes, my hair. So, I thank God I had worked on myself and had, you know, bravery and the audacity to keep going.
Connie Fontaine: I mean, it's so much of our identity is in our looks, whether it's, you know, the things we're known for.
Jill Martin: I mean, what people used to say, don't worry, it'll grow back.
I'm like, Don't say that because I can, I'm allowed to hold both things. I'm allowed to want to be healthy and not have cancer and not die. And I'm also allowed to want to look like myself and have my hair. I'm allowed to have both. You're allowed to love somebody and think that they're amazing and fun and all those things.
Also, they not be right for you. You can hold opposing feelings at the same time. And it happens all the time. And that's OK. And so I don't I will never say it'll grow back.
Harry Cohen: Wow. What an amazing conversation that we just had with Jill Martin. Now you got a little taste of the [00:01:00] hell of a year that she has been through: cancer and a public divorce and her journey and the lessons that she can teach all of us on how to not just deal with it ourselves, whatever trauma we might be going through, but how to help other people who are going through that trauma.
I just found it incredibly uplifting.
Connie Fontaine: Yeah, the generous spirit to get on with us and be as raw as she was and to feel comfortable without makeup, in her pajamas, in her Sherpa that, you know, one of her pieces of her product line. She's just this real, real person who was in anxious to do this with us so that she could help others.
And it comes out and you heard it in that, that first clip and you'll hear it throughout this podcast. It's worth a listen for sure. And she's, she's so much more than that though. She's had a hell of a year to your point, but she's had a hell of a career too. She's an entrepreneur. She's won emmys. She's this TV personality. A lot of people know from the today show, but also she's been around on QVC for quite a [00:02:00] while. She's, she's an entrepreneur who has her own product lines and does that to support her breast health awareness charities. So that's an important piece that she's doing.
She's also, with sports broadcasting with the Knicks. she's won some Emmys with that. And of course she knows you through University of Michigan. She's a Michigan girl who, you've wanted me to meet her and I did.
And she's so much more than I thought she could ever be. Cause I knew her professional background, but I didn't know she was just this great girlfriend who was gonna throw it all out on the table for us and help our listeners learn a little bit of something too.
Harry Cohen: she is an exemplar. We can all take a page from her book and let's see if we can help a whole ton of people.
Connie Fontaine: It's great. Let's take a listen.
Harry Cohen: Jill. So, So delighted that you agreed to be on our be the sun, not the salt
Jill Martin: Oh, honor to be asked. Are you crazy?
Harry Cohen: So Connie, um, I know Jill and just met Jill this [00:03:00] year, but I want you to get to know her. So we're going to talk about you, your journey, your life, your lessons, and how we can help a ton of people.
I was sharing this morning on an email that your platform so magnificent in terms of how many people you can help, so I'll stop talking .
Connie Fontaine: It's always the hard part, right? . Jill, it is such a pleasure to meet you because Harry has been talking about you since he met you
Jill Martin: Oh, nice. We share mutual friends,
Connie Fontaine: I know that, and I think that that's part of why the conversations come up so many times, but mostly it's because he just feels like you emanate this.
This whole be the sun, not the salt philosophy. And I think that's why it was so important for us to, to make the time to meet with you.
But for, for our listeners, Jill Martin's just a badass. I, you know, I've, I had, this is my first time meeting you, but I have read enough and watched enough to know that I think I knew you from the today show.
I know that you're on QVC. I knew about the Sherpas because, we'll talk more about those. But Harry, has told me about those, but I didn't know about your real big, deep rooted New York [00:04:00] Knicks connection. So that's part of what I think makes you such a badass is that you're this beauty, fashion, expert and you're a sports girl and you're on the today show.
And I'm like, wow, this is going to be a great chat. So,
Jill Martin: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm only crying because, um, when someone says, you know, like a beauty or a badass, you know, it took a lot of work this year to get to that. So I take that compliment very seriously.
Connie Fontaine: Well, and you should, and our listeners, anyone that's not watching on YouTube won't see how beautiful you look, too.
So, Smashing, I always worry about getting a little farther from the camera. You're all close up. You look amazing. So.
Jill Martin: no, mate. This is my day off. Um, I have no makeup on. And, you know, really, just, the essence of what the book is, is sort of, How I live my life. and so I thought I will be in my pajamas and be as authentic as I am.
Um, so let me grab water actually, [00:05:00] so I can hear you though. Keep going. This is like how I roll.
Connie Fontaine: I love this. This is podcast on the run with Jill Martin. I love
Jill Martin: is like, I'll bring over my stuffed animal too so you can see how I roll in my hotel room. with light.
Connie Fontaine: Well, and to do this for us, um, and with us on your day off is even, even more special for us.
So you bring your little snuggly, Jill's got snuggly, she's got her Sherpa on, and we'll talk about those. And now she's
Jill Martin: He's famous. He was just named to Oprah. Oprah's favorite thing.
Connie Fontaine: He was? So tell me, tell us who is he then?
Jill Martin: So this is my elephant buddy and they're my part of my line, which I'm sure we'll get into. And, um, the, I create things that bring happiness and coziness into your life.
And I made my animal buddies with a pillow company. So their belly is a pillow and it's called the best binge watching buddy in the world. He comes with a gift a birth certificate. And. He's mismatched just to sort of represent, you know, the imperfections, um, in all of us, you know, [00:06:00] perfectly imperfect.
And so it's used as decor. I mean, people keep them on their beds and, you know, on all over and, um, Oprah picked them as her favorite things. Um,
Connie Fontaine: love
Jill Martin: I think not only because how cute they are, but energetically, I think it represents a lot of what, um, I'm about. So,
Would you, would you articulate the beautiful sentence energetically? What I'm about?Um, I always was a person who. who like, liked giving more than getting, but when I was given cancer, I felt like God gave me cancer because. I was supposed to be here to save not only my family, but other people from something that could have been avoided. And so, you know, I believe that, um, which is the essence of your book, you know, [00:07:00] when something bad happens to someone, a lot of times they are then negative to somebody else.
And then that person's negative to the next person. And then you sort of spread, um, negative energy. And so I tried to be. My best in my worst times,
Because I believe that if I don't do that, then I'm contributing to what I believe is just, you know, what's going on in the world right now. So, um, I create things and, you know, live my life a hundred percent.
You know, of what I'm about, like I created these pajamas. I sleep in them, you know, the shirt I wear every day because I do like the stuffed animal travels with me. I mean, what adult travels with the stuffed animal? I have lights here because I did QVC from the room.
Connie Fontaine: Oh, yeah.
Jill Martin: so, you know, I'm like a traveling road show, but I do believe that, the more people who spread kindness and who, you know, you're either born with it and that's your essence of what [00:08:00] you do.
You Or you need to be taught that, it's not okay to not be any way else, Um, is, is what I try to represent and work at every day.
Connie Fontaine: you've, have you always been that way? Is that something that from, you know, being a child or when did that start to creep into your life?
Jill Martin: I think I was always like that much, much more in my adult life.
I think I was more selfish when I was younger. I was like a bratty kid and, you know, my, my, my mom catered to me my dad was very strict. We live by a very straight moral compass. And so,we always show up, you know, we were taught,
We're nice to everybody. we don't live above our means, although I didn't always, I didn't always live by that. but my parents represent everything that I think is important
Connie Fontaine: Mm hmm.
Jill Martin: um, right. Like I no longer look at certain things. as being subjective. I look at them as being objective. And so while somebody might say to me, that's your [00:09:00] opinion to me, it's factual because I, I believe that there are certain qualities that,it's not okay.
It's a double negative, but I don't think kindness is not a choice to me.
Harry Cohen: say what, say more about that.
Jill Martin: I mean, I just feel like life is so hard as it is, that You know, there were so many people that came up to me after, I went through breast cancer publicly and I'm still going through it
Connie Fontaine: Mm hmm. Right.
Jill Martin: you shared blank, you know, whether it's, they got tested and they were able to get to preventive surgery or they, you know, somebody came up to me that I work with and said, I had what you had.
And I said, when? and she said last year, and she's somebody who opens the door and, guards us part of our security team. And I thought to myself, like, how did she go through this without other people having the empathy for her [00:10:00] that they had, you know, I did it publicly. So people said it was actually easier because nobody was like, Everyone was going to be nice to me knowing I was going through cancer, but a lot of people don't, know, don't know that you, um, about what people are going through. And so I look at people now with just tremendous empathy and I think everybody needs to do that.
And so part of my message is, you know, everybody's going through something, especially now with what's going on in the world. And that's painful, you know,
Connie Fontaine: It sure is. Let's jump into that.
I guess since you brought it up, you, I did see the broadcast with your friend, Melissa. And so I'd love to talk a little bit about that. you know, we talked about it when I worked for Ford Motor Company for a long time, we had a huge breast health awareness program called Warriors in Pink, and you're a true warrior. And I think a part of that, the warrior spirit is that ability to be good, even though you're going through and you want to emanate and you want to, You know, work toward for others, And you did, you're doing that, and you're being so [00:11:00] public and open about it, which, you know, I think for some people would be really hard, but you seem to be embracing it and making it a mission of yours.
Jill Martin: I mean, otherwise, I don't know why it happened. Like, I can't find. I can't find the purpose of that unless I make it that totally.
Connie Fontaine: And your authentic self, comes through and just even the way you're feeling it now. And for those that haven't seen it, Melissa was, um, was Jill's college roommate. And I saw the broadcast where she came on and today's show because of what Jill went through.
She went through and had the BRCA, Um, test done. And even though she knew that her mother's side was clear, mom had come back negative, but she thought in honor of her friend, she should go do it anyway. And guess what? what? She came back positive. So in that one moment you made a huge difference to someone very close to you.
And we will never know exponentially how many people that day
Jill Martin: I [00:12:00] mean, every day. for Melissa, they text me every morning. Thank you for saving my life. I mean, if you have this gene that I had and it wasn't on my mother's side, it was on my father's side, you have the 60 to 90 percent chance of getting breast cancer.
I mean, that is not a number, especially working in sports that you play around with. And so because of me, she found out she had it on her dad's side also.
um, And she had the preventive surgery and she has two young daughters and her husband, you know, but I, there's a lot of stories like that, but if just for that one person, I would have done it again. I mean, and it was horrible. So I really do believe that. And so, You know, in life now. In general, my bar is much higher, you
know, for tolerating things and for, um, having whomever is in my life, it's, very specific and very curated. [00:13:00]
Connie Fontaine: When I think that platform alone, and I'm sorry, Harry, I just, I didn't as a woman know as involved as I've been in breast, in breast health awareness I've only been asked if if I've breast health issues on my mother's side. I've never been asked about my father's side. So I think that listening to this, everyone should hear that very clearly. Um, because I think from a medical profession standpoint, that might be a gap we have.
Jill Martin: Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm being honored Monday night at Mount Sinai and you know, I didn't want to do it.
And because I don't think cancer wants you to be honored,
but my surgeon, you know, said to me after I said, no, she said, you know, the money goes to me for research. And so I'm doing it, which, you know, but part of my messages, I sat in a, in a, in a, um, conference in a, um, ballroom for a BRCA event, um, for my friend, Gary, who had breast cancer, a man. and. I [00:14:00] sat there and I did not get tested on my father's side, even though everyone was telling the story. So that is my Monday night. My speech is very short and sweet is that everyone in this room, if you have not just breast cancer, but a lot of cancer in your family, whether it be prostate or pancreatic, or ask your doctor if genetic testing is appropriate, because that, um, that There is nobody who wants to go through, the, you know, people say, I don't want to know, like, trust me, you want to
Connie Fontaine: Mm hmm.
Jill Martin: do not want to go through cancer.
You do not want to go through chemotherapy. I mean, you just don't. And I was lucky. I mean, my prognosis, you know, although I'm under construction and just a different version of what I was before, you know, I don't, I mean, I think I look pretty, but I don't look like, I mean, I had, you know, this long Sarah faucet hair that I lost.
I was a totally different [00:15:00] like looking person. So, this girl's great, but I mean, it's just a different thing. Um, but yeah, I mean, if I always say like, if anybody can do anything for me when they ask, it's like, Just call your doctor and get tested. The idea of watching someone else go through this, it is the most painful thing to me.
Connie Fontaine: I'm sure Mm
Harry Cohen: purpose of this podcast, the purpose of our meeting, our fortuitous meeting is so that we can help way more people because of our gifts and the experiences that we've had.
I mean, Jill, I have cancer. My cancer is bladder cancer. My niece had. The BRCA gene and the surgery, my nieces. a
Jill Martin: I didn't know that.
Harry Cohen: Um, and you, your story is so beautiful for all the people that you've already helped, that [00:16:00] this will to help and that you will continue to show people what you didn't know. .But now you know, and your life is better for it. What I love more than anything about this life and this work and what we get to do is this.
This. Wow, I didn't know this. Now I know this. Now I got to tell the world, this, this business a bit about being deliberately kind and deliberately intentional and the word you use curating the company that you keep, we talk about that you know that we are very deliberate in the company, that we keep your sentence be my best during my worst mic drop, and I I want to do that for myself.
And my loved ones forever and I hope and wish that anyone who listens to this says more of that that's today's chapter. Let's let's do this some more jill and for those who can't watch us Uh jill's been [00:17:00] weeping through this interview For those who don't, who can't see and that ain't stopping you from articulating this beautiful, beautiful reiterating message.
much.
Jill Martin: Thank you.
Harry Cohen: but you know again, just tell us a little bit about your story for the people who know you and your whole story, including what you went through beyond
Connie Fontaine: because you've always been a badass.
Like, there's the, there's this thing that leads up to it. You've always been this busy thing. And now it's just like, The world is seeing more of you now,
Harry Cohen: but, but difficulty, tragedy, cancers, surgery, and public divorce is not an easy journey. And I want people who are listening to go, if she can do it, I can do it.
Jill Martin: Right. Um, no, I mean, I had like a very lucky blessed 48 years. My, both my parents are healthy. My mom went through a TCIS, okay. Um, We didn't know I had the gene. My dad [00:18:00] has the gene. We didn't know my brother has the gene. I thank God that it happened to me that I had, you know, to, um, endure this because I could not have watched them. Um, but yeah, I'll, you know, I'm not, I was never, listen, there's always smarter. There's always prettier.
There's always richer. There's always Tanner. Like there's always the hardest working. And so I. You know, kicked butt for 48 years and I developed an amazing business. I worked for the Miami heat. I worked for CBS, Miami. I was sports anchor. I worked for the today show. I, at the same time, worked at QVC and built a huge lifestyle brand there.
Um, and then I was building my own DTC brand and then I met the love of my life. And then we broke up and then we get back together again. And then, You know, I built this, um, You know, new sort of sector on the Today Show, which you [00:19:00] know, involves at work TV and shopping and not having frustration for the consumer.
You know, she sees something she likes on the air and she's able to buy it. And so that to me is not about making network TV shoppable, it's about creating less friction for the viewer. If I tell you the best red lipstick is blank and you don't know where to buy it, that's a very frustrating experience.
.So I'm all about like a frictionless. Experience. Um, and I say that, you know, in general, like I don't, my communication skills are very direct. It's either, you know, there's no, um, confusion with anyone in my life.
Um, so, yeah. So then on June 20th, I got a call that I was BRCA positive and, you know, I thought my life was going to change and I had to get everything removed and I have never had kids.
And so, um, you know, my husband at the time was very supportive. And We went in to get the preventive surgery and, um, they [00:20:00] found aggressive breast cancer because I went in to get, um, MRI for the preventive surgery. And, um, and then. It's been a blur since then
Connie Fontaine: A year of a blur. More
Harry Cohen: I got to tell you the that it's been and I met you This past year for the first time I didn't know any of this story at all All I knew is that our mutual friend who we both love and think is a good soul Said you got to meet my friend jill and what I heard was Oh, Jill liked the book.
She's on the today show. I met you in Ann Arbor at the game. And, and what a delightful human being you are. I didn't know this stuff and the vibe. I was telling somebody that the vibe about you, what we love about our guests on this podcast is these are exemplars. You are an exemplar. You're a human being that we.
Want to aspire to be like of kindness and authenticity and vulnerability and and generosity. And I'm not done. [00:21:00] and And and those and all those good things for the pure motive that your motive is as pure as driven snow. You want to do good and help people and bring more light into the world. And we are On your team and part of that and
Jill Martin: know you are.
so, yeah, I feel like I'm a little all over the, place, but that's like a wrap up. I mean, I really had a beautiful 48 years of a life that I thought is what it should be. And then I got thrown this. Some ways it's so it's in many ways, it's more beautiful. I mean, I like who I am better now. Um, you know, I, I got divorced over the summer and I started dating again and it didn't feel right. And I would have like, in my past life kept going, you know, I would have made an excuse. I would have, I was like, you know what, this is like, you're awesome.
This just like, doesn't work for me. Like, It just doesn't. It doesn't feel right. [00:22:00] And, it was a very powerful conversation for me.
Harry Cohen: I love that. For those that are listening, think about the lesson there. We like to spread lessons for ourselves and for others. And if it doesn't feel right, it ain't right. If people aren't good company for you, And all that that means, in other words, they bring out the best in you and you feel great around them and you want to be around them and they're like water on your soil or sun on your leaves, then spend more time with them. You are that for us . If people are not good company for you, check, please. Bye bye.
Jill Martin: But nothing wrong with that. you know, I spoke to a very, famous doctor the other day. Who's so, uh, like just, I never see an insecurity and he was telling me that His ex girlfriend from high school out.
He's probably in his late sixties or early seventies. Um, she had something wrong and she reached out to him and he said, she still made me feel like bad about myself. Like even in just the [00:23:00] conversation. And I thought that was so interesting and not that this situation that that's not what this was, but I thought that was so interesting.
Like there are just some people who, and it's pheromones. I mean, you know, as a doctor, more than me, like Right. I mean, they bring out the,
Connie Fontaine: Yep. Good.
Jill Martin: in you. And then some people just like give you a stomach ache.
Harry Cohen: And that's, but understanding that with no judgment .
you need to be mindful of those people so that you walk away very, very thoughtfully. And you're not wrong to say, you know what, I don't know why I feel icky around him or her, but I do. Well, good that you should listen to that. That story is for those who are listening to us go, you know what? You've just given me permission to say, I don't want to hang out with you.
Jill Martin: I read a quote that said, like, if you get on the train. And you get off the train as soon as you know you went on the wrong train because if you keep going it's going to take longer and be more expensive to get back. It's like, I just, I, I've seen this movie before, you know, I know what it [00:24:00] looks like.
And it's like, I don't, I don't want to get it anymore.
You
Connie Fontaine: don't need it. Yeah.
Harry, you always say, um, say what you mean, mean what you say, just don't say it mean. So it's okay to say it. We don't need to be mean to do that.
That's right.
Harry Cohen: Yeah. And get off the train. we have another little
baby chapter. do the next right thing. It's okay to make a boo boo that was realized you stepped in it, or you just, you did something. It's like, okay, I know what to do. I'm going to do that. I'm not going to keep digging. I'm not going to keep doing this.
I mean, I love that we get to very powerful.
Jill Martin: it's very and it's recent. And so that like is another. um, Where I'm like, wow, I'm proud of myself.
Harry Cohen: So that last sentence, I'm proud of myself. I get, I share with Connie and our producer Ashley all the time. Oh, I'm so proud of myself. I just learned something that I should have known.
And I'm 70. And wow, I can't believe I just learned this. I say to my wife every morning now, and I never did this before. Married 44 years. Is there [00:25:00] anything that you need for me to do for you today? Now, how come I never did that before? I don't know, but I figured it out. So I love
Jill Martin: That's, like major. Harry,
Harry Cohen: how do you feel? Oh, right now, people say when they know that I have cancer, they always say, How you doing? You look good. How you doing? I feel like a million bucks. Right now, the truth is, I think I'm two years out of my last cancer occurrence. It reoccurred, so that's always a uh oh. So I'm two years out, but I feel like a million bucks.
But because I right now feel like a million bucks, and I, like you, know that life is short, Take care of yourself. And I don't take any of this for granted right now. I feel great and it might change, but until that changes, I'm going to keep doing this with the people like you for as long as I can so that we can keep doing this the message of
Connie Fontaine: diligence.
Like you stayed very diligent about it. Rest on your laurels and obviously with [00:26:00] health and I'm a little sensitive to because obviously it's a topic I've been involved in and I a little PSA important Ashley kind of tagged me on this. I want to make sure we get it out. You mentioned the MRI that diagnosed the cancer.
Jill Martin: My mammogram was clean the day and my sonogram, they missed it. Yep. So that's, and that's a message I want. And like, no, no, no test is perfect. A mammogram is the best test we have to just monitor, but it's like something like, and I'm not a doctor, but it's something like 87%. And then a sonogram is 93%.
Like I've never been at the 7%, but I was, and some people are, and, you know, it's, day I was diagnosed, my mammogram was clean. I had had a sonogram in January, knew I was high risk. My grandmother had died of breast cancer. My mother had breast cancer. We looked just the same, the same hands. I mean, mean, so I knew the day was coming, you know, I mean, I don't live like that, but I wasn't [00:27:00] surprised, you know, it wasn't like I was surprised that day. Cause I just had to clean everything.
Harry Cohen: I got to tell you, Jill,
I got a good cancer in that it you know, it's not one that supposedly you die From you die with you just have to get checked every whatever they tell you but more importantly It's what you have been sharing, which is it changes your perspective about life. Thank goodness
Jill Martin: right. Thank goodness
Harry Cohen: And the
Connie Fontaine: diagnosed harry. Remember we're just we're Getting ready to publish this little puppy, our little book that was just holding up. And it was, it was literally, we're talking about how do we want to launch it? Do we want to get into some PR? And that's when you told me.
So it did. And it changed. You did say, I feel like this is a message like, hello, let's, let's remember what's important here.
Harry Cohen: Totally. The clarity, Jill, of our lives now in terms of, I didn't know this, but I know it now.
That's what we want to [00:28:00] give more people without having to get cancer guys. We're not saying like, you know, you really should get cancer to get this message.
You don't need to get cancer to get the message to be kind and to curate your good company and to be deliberate in how you behave. I mean, the way you said to be your best during your worst, how can we could do that right now? Let's offer to the world. Hey guys, this is the way to live.
Jill Martin: Right. I, I just, I think it's very hard to have that without going through it. Unfortunately.
Harry Cohen: I know.
Jill Martin: so, but, but, but no, I mean, you know, I had this woman who, you know, everyone, I spend a lot of my days speaking to people who are like a few months behind me, or people call and say, you know, can you what? You know, so this woman called me and um, they were deciding if she needed chemo and I said, um, and I prayed for her that she didn't, because. The chemo is what I think about every day. Every cancer is terrible. I'm not downplaying anything, but [00:29:00] that's the thing that was like a lot for me. So she went for two opinions and I sent her to my doctor at Mount Sinai and for a third opinion and they realized she didn't need chemo. And so she got cancer and had to do a surgery and radiation, but not chemo.
And she called me like, I dodged a bullet. Thank you so much. Meaning even though she got cancer, like she realized that there's no good cancer, but if you could avoid the things that are. You know, anything in within the process that's it's all earth shattering. So, um, so I think, yeah, I mean, I wish that were so Harry, I wish, you know, everyone's not built like that.
And I don't, I don't, I guess I don't put that on everybody. Like I see the silver lining and sparkles and bubble and every situation. And not everyone can do that. And so I guess it's more [00:30:00] about, um, I wish everyone were just happier. Like, I just wish. The world in general, I feel like people are like running and I'm happy and not concentrating on Whatever that moment is, you know, i'm in this podcast.
I don't have my phone. I'm in it I'm enjoying the conversation and then that's it and then i'll go do the next thing But it's not, it's not the constant run, and I think that's what makes people anxious and sad.
Connie Fontaine: But you said that being kind and having, you know, being grateful makes you feel better during cancer.
I think the message I hear for people who don't have cancer, guess what it could do for you? I mean, if it can get you through a day of chemo, it could get you through just your average hard day. Um, and I think that's the message all of us would take away from, from your stability through this whole disease of like fight, fight, fight.
And be kind at the same time. I love sparkle too, by the way. You said, we always say silver lining, but you said bubbles and sparkles. I
Jill Martin: Oh, I mean, I put spark, I didn't today [00:31:00] because I was on a call right before you, but I put sparkles on every day.
Connie Fontaine: Do you, I love that.
Jill Martin: Like, I just like, if I could travel with a face painter, I would, you know, like I have like these sparkles that I had a pajama party for this cover.
I did. And I was, I always have a face painter and they just do something pretty. It's like, who doesn't Who doesn't want sparkle?
Connie Fontaine: He doesn't love sparkles? Harry, you need
Harry Cohen: Well, Well, I, I, uh, you mean sparkles on my face, like little, little things? Guys, if, if you think I should put sparkles on, I'll do it.
But you know, it's not something I've ever done before. That doesn't mean I won't. One of the things that I experienced when I went through it during the chemo and all that, all the, um, processes, I won't articulate them, um, that I could be the son for all the people that I was around. It was so clarifying.
It's what you, like, I can be kind to the nurses. I can be kind to the doctors. I can be kind to the receptionists. I can be more kind than I already am. I can pay attention to be an uplifting soul. [00:32:00] I can do that no matter what. The cool part about this
This is it's purposeful and you see you wish people were more happy.
I really feel like this metaphor is the secret to life. No matter what and where you are, you can hold the door. You can say the sweet kind word. You can chill your jets. You can say, you know what? It doesn't matter. We spent a half an hour for those that don't know, trying to get our audio video video together for this podcast this morning.
And Jill was looked calm, cool, and collected as
Connie Fontaine: we went through it.
Harry Cohen: We can do that more. that's what I think is available to the world, Jill.
Connie Fontaine: And I
Harry Cohen: want you to help by being who you are so that more people can see, Oh, yes, I can do that. The way Jill is living.
Jill Martin: Right. Well, that's, I mean, what a beautiful compliment. I mean, that's amazing to be, if that's my legacy, like. Amazing, you [00:33:00] know,
Harry Cohen: well, I've now decided that is your legacy. I
Connie Fontaine: We've we've anointed you
Harry Cohen: Literally think about take it take it and own it and be proud of that legacy that for the world You have a large platform. Let people hear watch and see and go I could be like her.
I could be my own version wherever they are while they're rushing New York City specific where they're rushing through the world. They could stop and go. Oh, my God. Go ahead, sir. Take that seat. Let me,
Jill Martin: I mean, yeah, it's also though.
I'm very blessed. I mean, I have You know, a job that allows me to make a really nice living.
And, you know, I was able to get the best care and I guess like my heart always hurts every day, like that. it's not like that And every, you know, so part of the money that I'm raising for, you know, when I am on this Monday is that, um, for the cold capping that save help save my hair during chemo.
They give that for free at Mount Sinai. and [00:34:00] so that's really important to me because
Harry Cohen: can we put that link in the, in our show notes somewhere that people who are going to watch this podcast and I will contribute to it because I like to, but anybody who wants to, the bazillions of people who will watch this go, you know what, I'm going to contribute to that.
We'll do some very concrete good.
Connie Fontaine: Can you elaborate on it, Jill, for our listeners?
Jill Martin: No, I mean, I, I, um, Okay. Yeah, I guess the, the bigger thing is if, um, and I don't know when this is airing, but do you know when this is airing
Connie Fontaine: It'll be three weeks, we
Jill Martin: Okay. So three weeks were like in December. And, um, I'm on vacation in St. Barts, which is nice with my family. So I'll, um, But, um, yeah, I guess the biggest thing is it's it really isn't about, um, raising money right now. My biggest thing is like, I guess I just more [00:35:00] want everyone to do the right thing more.
Connie Fontaine: Absolutely. Be the best self.
Harry Cohen: Just that. Be our best selves. Do the right thing more.
Just if we stopped and dropped the mic and said, What more is that? And if people quote, don't know what the right thing is, we'll pause for about 30 seconds. If that three seconds ago. Oh, I know what the right thing is. What my mom told me. It's what my dad told me. It's what I already know.
Jill Martin: ask somebody who you think does the right thing. You know, it's very like when I don't know the answer to something, I go to the best person who I think has the most knowledge in that specific area. To get the answer and then they fill it in. Pat Riley taught me that. He's like, he's, he said, I'm not the smartest, but the things I don't know.
And for those who don't know, Pat Riley is a basketball legend. Um, he was my first boss and I am he'd he said, for the things I don't know, I'd fill in. You with the best people. I'm not threatened. I fill it in with the best people. people.
Connie Fontaine: Did you [00:36:00] a have to flip a switch for yourself to have the positive attitude and realize it was gonna take some effort to just be your best self every day with your diagnosis?
Or did that just come because you've been practicing
Jill Martin: No, I mean, it's every day I wake up and fork in the road. Like today I woke up and I have to do yoga because of the radiation. Um, and I was like, Oh, I don't feel like it. And then I just thought my yoga teacher just lost her mother and like, how could I cancel on her when I could give her positive energy through the screen, the virtual?
So I got up, but every day is a choice. I mean, no one would blame me for pulling the covers up over my head every day right now after what I've been through
Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm
Jill Martin: and the divorce and no one would blame me.So I feel like, um, you know, every day I feel like I'm out of tears, but I cry like, you know, not like this, but I cry every day.
Harry Cohen: You know, what's so beautiful is that, you know, authentic [00:37:00] vulnerability is one one of the heliotropic qualities of human beings. People love to be around people. Who are all these qualities virtuous behavior, but authentic vulnerability is just makes people love To be around you jill. So I want you to know that your tears are Delightful
Jill Martin: yeah. Well, I don't do it. I don't do that. but um, but I I appreciate that because It makes the work worth it.
Connie Fontaine: Mm hmm. Well, in our producer, Ashley, she was telling us this morning that her stepmother, was so excited to hear this episode with you because she knows you from the today show and the shopping segments and said that you are very authentic and real and warm and, and you just ooze out of the screen.
So it's not just us. I mean, that's obviously what you're, putting.
Jill Martin: thank you, ashley.
Connie Fontaine: It's good to know that. you know, it's good to know viewers are seeing that same vulnerability that we're seeing now. And I love
Jill Martin: know that because I know they buy what I [00:38:00] say and I take that super seriously. I have a very high conversion rate. And the reason I do is because if I make a mistake, I say, I'm sorry, if a product isn't right. And I thought it was like, I'm allowed to make mistakes. I
Connie Fontaine: hmm. Mm
Jill Martin: my doctors are allowed to make mistakes. My doctor, there was a doctor and I feel for her who I would never name, but missed it on the sonogram.
I mean, it's not her fault. A sonogram is a snapshot. It's like watching a movie and only taking 10 pictures. It's a, it's just a snapshot of, you know, they scan around and they take 10 pictures. which page are you on?
Harry Cohen: I'm holding up a book that says apologize. Well, it's one
Jill Martin: I liked that,
Harry Cohen: you know, when we make a boo boo, you know,
Jill Martin: I read it when you first sent it to me.
So I'm a little, I haven't been home in so long. So I would have, I would have reread it before this, but I'm like, I'm running on empty. Um, But I remember that because. I used to say, like, I made mistakes in, like, Jill 1. [00:39:00] 0, you know, the prior, life and I, I would not forgive myself. And then I read this Don Miguel Ruiz.
I don't know. Is that? Yeah. So, um, and he says, like, you can apologize either to the person, if you can, and if you can't, to yourself. And then, like, in my version of the words, move on com. Like, you know, you
Harry Cohen: Moveon. com.
Jill Martin: You
like apologize. And, um, I forgive myself for those mistakes. But if I make them again, that's the problem.
So, but I really don't. Like, you know, when somebody says, um, it's really, you know, you, you know what you're doing most of the time, at least I do. And so I think if everyone just like takes a step back, you know, and I'm not like coming from, believe me, like an almighty higher than bow. Cause like, I'm not crushing it.
Like I've been pajamas every day and in tears, but I do feel like sometimes, you know, hitting [00:40:00] safe draft and proverbially and just being like, okay, what's the situation here? What do I need to do here? Even just like if someone cuts you off in the street, just that moment of What do I do here? You know, do I yell or do it?
Is that person in a rush because they're having a terrible day and their kids? I don't know. You know, I, those are, that's where my mind goes.
Harry Cohen: Jill, that's, that's our work. What you just said is the whole thing, which is when someone cuts you off in the street in that moment and they will, what's our responsibility in that moment?
Cause we all know what the right thing to do is. And then we got to do it. And that alone is a job that I can get excited about for the rest of my life. Cause when I don't do it, I'm like, Oh, Oh, come on, Harry. You got this. You got this.
Connie Fontaine: Well, the other reminder, Jill, said, I mean, it's you're at a crossroads every day and people don't see that.
They just see the choices you make. And I think a lot of people wake up in the morning and feel like they also have the right to pull their covers over their head because of what's [00:41:00] happening. And that people just need to understand.
Jill Martin: if we've got Plenty.
Connie Fontaine: Plenty of people. And what you're saying is it's okay. You're not judging, but there is another way.
And I think that Harry and I feel like we learned from each one of our guests and we do this and not just this work, but some of the other work we do because it makes us better people. And that's a reminder that I will take away to say, Yep, crossroads. What are you going to choose and make it very visual and very impactful for the day?
Um, and I think we can choose the right way. And that's what this practice is all about.
Harry Cohen: you
Connie Fontaine: for that.
Harry Cohen: You're going to feel uncomfortable too bad. I love that we got to know you that we have this time together. You have helped me from this conversation more than you will ever know.
Jill Martin: Wow. You're special. you. are. Yeah, I think this is, we've seen it in the, in the work you've done prior to today and then we've been able to experience it today. I think there's, because I'm caught up partly in this, what you're doing [00:42:00] and the impact you're making on people.
Connie Fontaine: I, you mentioned something about cold capping that I know nothing about.
And so, again, I'm seeing some of this is going to be a little bit of a PSA for our listeners because of all of the awareness that you're driving. Can you tell us a little bit about Yeah,
Jill Martin: so it's interesting when I got diagnosed and, it was a. process, you know, like cancers, you go for the double mastectomy.
And when you wake up, they tell you if you're going to need chemo, like, could you imagine you just had double mastectomy? And I woke up and they said it was in a lymph node. And you know, you look at Google American Cancer Society and like, you just fit. It's like the tumor is a certain size. All I did want was chemo, you know, But part of the thing about chemo that's so, and this is really important is that my surgeon said to me, Chemo is your friend.
You need someone in a hazmat suit with something called the red devil to fight with you. And so once she told me that it was [00:43:00] a very different narrative walking in there, I felt safer than I felt like I was being attacked as much pain, physical pain and torture I was in. But one of the really terrible parts about it is your dignity. And your, you know, I was known for being a pretty girl, whatever that means. You know, like people would say, she's a pretty, and I would say thank you. Even though at the time I didn't think that. And I look back and I think, wow, she was so pretty, like too bad.
You didn't know how pretty you were. You know,
Harry Cohen: let me just say when I'm, when I met you for the first time. I said to my wife, she's gorgeous. Now. I, No, no. I mean, like, I didn't know you before, so I didn't know were you more gorgeous. but I said to Jan, she's gorgeous. And, so for what that's worth, and I always say people, you know, like that's not very important.
right?
Jill Martin: You know what? It's, it's interesting. I lost everything, my eyebrows, my eyelashes, my hair. So. [00:44:00] thank God I had worked on myself and had, you know, bravery and the audacity to keep going. Because it was audacity to go on TV and have them paint in my eyebrows and I, you know, I had no eyelashes so they had to like glue that would last for five seconds.
Um, but, um, I forgot the point
Connie Fontaine: That's okay. We were, we were getting towards cold capping only 'cause I want people to know the availability.
Jill Martin: So, Part of the horrible part of chemo is in most cases, especially I was under the most aggressive regimen, the ACT. You lose your hair and it's just there's no two ways about it.
I was like my hair will hang in there It's the strongest hair. I mean So there's a process called cold capping, which let's the chemo is an hour and a half to three hours. You have to sit four hours before with negative 25 degree ice on your head that they change. In my case, every 20 minutes, sometimes it's a machine, there's different levels.
I use Penguin because I need, I had a capital come [00:45:00] in and do it because I didn't want to put that on at the time on my family or husband. Um, and every 25 minutes they wrap your head and In And it freezes the follicles so that when you stop treatment, instead of having to start all over, it will grow. So if I had a cold cap, I'd probably have an inch of hair by now.
The people Oh, I went at the same time, they have sort of like, spiky, gorgeous, they look amazing. But like, Harry's hair.
Connie Fontaine: Yeah,
Jill Martin: that's the kind of hair I would have right now.
Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm
Jill Martin: Um, but I cold capped. And so when I when I took oral minoxidil and I used, you know, I did a lot of, um, Latisse, you know, to get my eyelashes back.
Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm
Jill Martin: That was exciting when they came back. Um, and so the cold cap really helped. And now, you know, it's a cute haircut.
Connie Fontaine: It's super
Jill Martin: not Like What you know, I had hair like Ashley down to my like waist. So but it's cute. It's just it's different I just have to get used to her, you know
Harry Cohen: [00:46:00] Yeah,
Connie Fontaine: what what helps you get used to all because you do talk about it I mean, it's, so much of our identity is in our in our looks whether it's you know, the things we're known for what
Jill Martin: when
people used to say don't worry.
It'll grow back. I'm like Don't say that because I can, I'm allowed to hold both things. I'm allowed to want to be healthy and not have cancer and not die. And I'm also allowed to want to look like myself and have my hair. I'm allowed to have both. You're allowed to love somebody and think that they're amazing and fun and all those things.
And Also, they not be right for you. There there's, you can hold. opposing feelings at the same time, and it happens all the time and that's okay. And so I don't, I will never say it'll grow back. I say, listen, it's 12 hours of torture. If you could sit there and do it. Like my surgeon said to me, sit in the chair and wear the hat.
And I did, and it was horrible, but now it's not. And so I will never tell anyone it's not. [00:47:00] Horrible. It is.
Connie Fontaine: Right.
Jill Martin: But in the end, it was important to me because now, you know, it's it's I actually had to cut the other day to even it out, which felt good.
Connie Fontaine: the way you reframed. and personified chemo? And I think that
Harry Cohen: that's a beautiful. Beautiful.
Yeah, beautiful. Um, metaphor, story, way of thinking, reframing. And I think all of us Can look for those opportunities for ourselves, reframing things to look at it differently to help us. I. E. You want that hazmat suit brother inside you fighting the cancer with you.
Such a beautiful thing, but also for others because we can learn what to say and what not to say. And I'm learning what to say and what not to say as other people go through Difficulties of all kinds, whether they be death, Alzheimer's, cancer,
Jill Martin: any kind of trauma, I
Harry Cohen: any kind And one of the,
Jill Martin: to be cancer. I hope it's not.
I always say that people say, I I I threw my back out. I didn't want to tell you. i'm like, I don't [00:48:00] want you to have cancer. if your back hurts. Like, of course, tell me I mean, Just because you don't have cancer that I don't want anyone to have cancer ever again. I mean, so trauma is trauma though. A loss of a parent, a loss of a dog, a loss of a job.
I mean, a loss of a guy you like to broke up with you. Trauma is trauma.
Harry Cohen: Trauma is trauma. And we as brothers and sisters and colleagues and friends and perfect strangers can be our best selves. More better more better at this in saying the sweet wonderful nice things And not the oh, you'll get over it.
My friend had it. It'll be fine All those things that we. all of all of the things that you don't know. You shouldn't say that that's not
Jill Martin: right But also it's like I always say when Friends say to me like this person said this. I'm like, they don't know what to say. They don't know what to do. So also just like say, you know, normally when I start talking to someone, I'll sort of bring it up so they don't have to, because I think they don't know how to bring it up.
So there's also that [00:49:00] other part of like, people just don't know what to say. And honestly, I wish I didn't know what to say. Like even I, you know, I have a friend who the prognosis is not good. I mean, they did everything and it's not working. And So we talk every day. Imagine those conversations. It's not going to be okay. no, it's not. And I am the most comforting person to her because what do you say? There's nothing to say except to cry and to say, what are we going to do with the time? And I mean, it's horrible. It's, it's, it's. Torture.
Harry Cohen: But what you're saying is what we're to do what you said, what do we do? We do what you just articulated, which is you sit with the sister, you sit with your friend, and I mean, I, we know that we can do that.
We can sit with people and we can be with people.
Jill Martin: You could show up.
You can up.
Harry Cohen: Perfect.
I don't know what to
say
Jill Martin: that's number one thing if you show up like my dad is at every. I mean, [00:50:00] everything, they show up, any cousin who has a thing, he's like, I'm driving to Maryland for two hours, like, there's no, there's just, you could show up, you could work hard. Like, those are things that I can't excuse.
There are things that are aren't under your control.
Connie Fontaine: Yep. And being uncomfortable is not enough of an excuse. You still show up.
Jill Martin: I
Harry Cohen: love this.
Jill Martin: Yeah.
Yeah. Being uncomfortable is. Is the key to life. I mean, you grow when you're uncomfortable.
Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm .
Well, speaking of comfort, I want to make sure we plug the Sherpas in your line that you have.
So I want to talk a little bit about that because, um, when we talked to Will Guadera, I don't know if you know Will, but he talked about his little girl and her new thing was, dad, let's get warm and cozy. And every time I look at the screen and see you and your but you feel
Jill Martin: yeah, I mean, I'll show you all the different ones.
I travel with, like 10 in the bag. Let's see. Oh, I'm wearing, I did one
Connie Fontaine: The Rockettes. Oh,
Jill Martin: So what I did was I had a blanket, um, company. Then I sold like [00:51:00] hundreds of thousands of units on a QVC. And as I got older, I'm like, I want to be in a blanket all the time. So I sat on the floor and I took my two best blanket fabrications, um, with my manufacturer and I created like a chic jacket.
And then over the years at about she, the viewer wanted a button. So we added the button. Um, I always had the thumb holes cause I love those, you don't want them. And then it has pockets. It's machine washable. Don't put it in the dryer. And my slogan is, if you don't buy it, you're wrong. Like, it's just the best.
It's my winter jacket. Like, it's, it's, it's everything. I sleep in it. I machine wash it. I, I mean, I walk around in it and I have all different ones now. I'm cropping them and I'm putting logos on them. I'll show you some I have a few here as I trip over the light. But, um,
Connie Fontaine: No problem.
Harry Cohen: When I walked into my restaurant, uh, the Black Pearl, I want you to know that three of my, four of my staff people said, where can I [00:52:00] get one and can we get one with the Black Pearl
logo?
Jill Martin: You know what? We're doing a bunch of restaurants now. We have to, I said I was going to do that. I got so crazy and I have
to make Peter, the blue house.
our mutual friend, Peter.
Harry Cohen: Great. We'll do that.
Jill Martin: Yeah. We'll definitely do it. So this is our short one that we did for breast cancer. We did um, a cozy couture version, um, with the next logo and pink. And we raised 50, 000. We sold a hundred of them. Um, and that. oh, this is the white one. Um, we did. And then, um, I have the Rockettes one on.
There's one with a boat, all the teams and, um, yeah, they're half off. I don't know when this airs, if they'll still be left, but they're half off on my site right now. And they've been named to, you know, every list as they should be, you know, when people say like, are you so excited? I'm like, yeah, I worked, You know, 48 years on this one item.
And so it deserves to be on every list because it's the best item.
Connie Fontaine: The only one we
Jill Martin: it doesn't work. The best item with the best IP, with the person who I believe is the best [00:53:00] salesperson because I only sell things I believe in. At least to me. I'm like, then I have to just rejigger my whole life. If this doesn't work, I'm at a loss.
You
Connie Fontaine: And remember if you don't buy one, you're just wrong.
Jill Martin: That's what I say.
Connie Fontaine: I know. And the only complaint we have about them is we don't have one for the Detroit lions who are killing it this season.
Jill Martin: You know what? that,
Connie Fontaine: tonight.
Jill Martin: I know. And I, I've asked the Lions or NFL. Yeah, I've asked. I have the Giants license and I'll just, I'll, we'll put a little PSA out.
We'll clip this and I'll send it to him saying people are asking for it again. So they, they haven't given me the full license yet, but they're considering it. So maybe we'll send this to him. Well, actually, if you could clip this for me, um, another request from Connie and from all the
Connie Fontaine: And Ashley, we all want
Jill Martin: you
guys are like, the, the big ticket in, um, in Michigan.
You're like in the in crowd and in, Michigan. because I
met you
through my, I met you through a friend that I've had since college who threw the best parties in [00:54:00] college and continues to throw the best parties. I'm like, you're still doing this.
Harry Cohen: Yes.
Yes.
He, he, This, this particular fellow purchased two houses across from the big house, the Michigan stadium, which he literally hosts parties at every single home game.
Um, and they're always packed with very interesting people, but I will, I won't name drop
Connie Fontaine: well for
our listeners,
Jill Martin: anybody who you would think is, and, and he is, any so nice and gracious, you know, he's such a beautiful human being also and fun. So that I like to, I love fun. I mean, I'm looking for a good time, you know?
Connie Fontaine: And the store links going to be in our show notes to Jill. So we'll make sure that we're still, because our listeners are now chomping at the because they can't see what we're talking about,
Harry Cohen: right. We'll we'll pass that on. So thank you.
We, we always like to end these podcasts with.
Connie Fontaine: with,
Harry Cohen: Who in your life has been the exemplar for you, the heliotropic model, you can say more than one [00:55:00] who's really helped you be the most wonderful person.
that You
can be. You
Jill Martin: funny, you know, it sounds like it's, it's my mom and dad. But when I first read, I, you know, when I Google to see what it means, like what, not just what you say it means, but what it means, means, um, cause I didn't know, um, I thought of myself and that was like, really. Really powerful for me because I was always so hard on myself and I'm like so sorry that I was
Harry Cohen: Oh, oh, oh
Connie Fontaine: If we could tell our younger selves so
Harry Cohen: Oh. I wish we could tell our younger selves what you just said, which is would you please honor the gift that you are?
now Because you are that you don't need to do anything more than be who you are more of that
Thank
Jill Martin: So, but my mom and dad, I mean, like, what [00:56:00] amazing. beings And like they're up for brunch or battery, like whatever I need, they're there, you know, like, I'm like, we are we like this person, you know, my mom's still like I asked about this guy that I dated in high school the other day and she was like, I mean, you would think that it happened five minutes ago.
It happened 25 years ago. She still holds a grudge.
Harry Cohen: Oh, Connie, anything you want to ask?
Connie Fontaine: I just, I just, I've enjoyed this so much. You've given the perspective and you know, the fact that you came on willing to do this on a day off. And I love that you're, you're super, super authentic self. And I feel like I got to know you even though we're doing this via zoom.
So thank you for all of that.
Jill Martin: No, thank you. And thank you for dealing with our technical issues. And, um, I'll be down there. Um, Ashley, nice meeting you and Harry, I'll be down. I'm doing a bunch of events, um, for Michigan medicine
I'll be
down in the spring
Harry Cohen: in the spring. Great. Um, awesome. Awesome.
Awesome. Well, we'll, [00:57:00] we'll be in touch. I'm going
Jill Martin: yeah, we'll be in touch.
Harry Cohen: We're going to stay connected.
Jill Martin: Yeah.
Um, and thank you.
Connie Fontaine: Thank you very much. And
No, I think everything you said, Harry, just rings true. It's been a true pleasure, Jill. So thank you for being here with us today.
Jill Martin: Thank you for having me. This was beautiful and educational for me too, and learned a lot as well.
So, and thank you for letting me have my daily cry with you.
Connie Fontaine: We're glad we could share it with you.
Harry Cohen: I so love having met you. Thank you. Alright, Jill. We'll see you soon.
Jill Martin: Bye, everybody.
Connie Fontaine: