Be the Sun, Not the Salt

#56 Inside Real Wellness: Lori Schulweis & Jenn Giamo on Friendship & Positive Living

• Connie Fontaine and Harry Cohen, PhD • Episode 56

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What happens when two powerhouse women from distinctly different professional backgrounds bring science, soul, and a whole lot of humor to the podcast mic? In this inspiring episode of Be the Sun, Not the Salt, Dr. Harry Cohen and Connie Fontaine welcome Lori Schulweis, a longtime (Emmy Award-winning!) television producer known for her years on “Live with Mark and Kelly”, and Jenn Giamo, a certified trainer, nutritionist, and longevity coach, from the “Every Body Talks” podcast for a raw, uplifting conversation on the art of heliotropic living and the transformative power of friendship.

Why tune in?

  • Real-life resilience: Lori and Jenn open up about supporting each other through life’s toughest moments—including grief, divorce, and changing directions—and share how friendship can be life’s ultimate life raft.
  • Heliotropic habits that work: Discover science-backed tips (and a few unexpected tricks) for infusing your daily life with more light, positivity, and well-being—straight from two voices who walk their talk as a media maven  and a wellness expert.
  • Unfiltered, practical wisdom: From routines that energize your day to the importance of small, intentional acts of kindness, learn how these friends apply heliotropic principles not just to themselves, but to everyone they meet.
  • The power of community: Hear the story of how a chance meeting at a charity dog walk became the start of a friendship—and a podcast—that now helps thousands live cleaner, stronger, and more connected lives.

Whether you’re looking for authentic connection, tips for positive living, or just a laugh with kindred spirits, this conversation will remind you why bringing a little more sun (and a lot less salt) into your life changes everything.

Perfect for listeners searching for advice on heliotropic living, positive mindset, Every Body Talks, friendship, wellness, life transitions, emotional resilience, and building an uplifting community. Dive in and discover the magic of powerful partnerships, practical self-care, and the science of wellness.

(This full episode is ideal listening for anyone ready to recharge, reconnect, and bring a healthy dose of sun into their day.)


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About Lori Schulweis

Based in NYC, Lori Schulweis is an Emmy nominated television producer who has been on a fitness and health journey most of her life.

About Jenn Giamo

Jenn is an NSCA Certified Personal Trainer with a Master's Degree in Nutrition Education, Reiki Practitioner, Yoga Teacher, Corrective Exercise Specialist and the founder of Trainers in Transit.




To explore the book, or for more episodes, information, tips and tools to live a more heliotropic life, visit us at bethesunnotthesalt.com and find us on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and TikTok.

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Opening

Lori & Jenn: you know, just as I'm thinking, I'm sorry. I just had this thought when, as we were kind of telling you our story and the, the different things that happened along the way and how you thought that I was here to help you to lose weight and then I got divorced and then you got divorced and then I helped you through that.

And my dad right now, this is why I'm feeling very emotional.

Connie Fontaine: Hmm,

Lori & Jenn: My dad is, um, is very sick.

Connie Fontaine: sorry, sorry.

Lori & Jenn: And he's on hospice, and so I know what's coming and I'm, I'm just waiting for Lori to help me through that next step because she's been through it already. 

Meet the Guests: Jenn Giamo and Lori Schulweis

Harry Cohen: The voice you just heard is Jenn Giamo and she's joined by her co-host, Lori Schulweis, and they host a podcast, "Every Body Talks". I was lucky enough to be a guest on their podcast, and I found them absolutely delightful. And their mission is really aligned with ours, Connie. And so we thought, let's have them as a guest on ours, and they [00:01:00] were wonderful.

Connie Fontaine: Yeah. And after we heard that podcast, we decided we had to have them as guests for sure. And I recognized Lori immediately from her role that she's been in for a while. She's an Emmy award-winning producer, by the way. She's, um, she's been with What is Now live with Kelly and Mark. But has been obviously an iterative show with different hosts, and she's connected with Jenn.

She and Jenn found each other and their friendship in a kind of a random way in a charity dog walk event. But Jen brings some serious chops with her. She's a Certified trainer, a nutritionist, a longevity coach. And what's really fun about their podcast, besides their humor and their straight talk, is they bring science and soul and all of that to not just each other and themselves, but to us too.

And, and that's what makes their podcast a lot of fun as well.

Harry Cohen: I listened to their podcast in preparation for it, and honestly, I took some stuff that has been part of my regular routine since then. They are focused on improving one's life and my life is better for having met them. I happen to have coffee with them. Last week in New York City, [00:02:00] I was doing an event.

They're just as delightful in person as they are that you'll meet them and they're really wonderful people who really demonstrate how powerful friendship can be.

Connie Fontaine: Yep. They're all about lifting others up, lifting each other up, and it's perfect for us here on Be the Sun, not the Salt. So let's take a listen. we're excited you guys are here today. I was excited when I woke up 'cause I thought, this is energy. This is fun. This is not hard work.

Harry Cohen: Hmm.

Connie Fontaine: the ability for us to take your message, bring it forward because you guys are doing some great work that

Lori & Jenn: Ugh,

Connie Fontaine: and can

Lori & Jenn: thank you so much. Thank you.

Connie Fontaine: Harry was a guest on your podcast is, is when I discovered your podcast, which was great. So, uh, you were so authentic and so genuine about the be the sun, not the salt message, that we're very thankful that you decided to join us today, and

Lori & Jenn: you.

Connie Fontaine: a formal introduction to you.

We'll record that later, but

Lori & Jenn: Okay.

Jenn and Lori's Story

Connie Fontaine: to start with you and tell us a little bit about your story. We know it, but would love for you to share it with our listeners.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. Uh, sure. Uh. [00:03:00] This is where we we're like, who talks now? Who wants to go? You can talk. I'll let you.

Connie Fontaine: first.

Lori & Jenn: Um, okay, so, so the story of like how we started the podcast, how we met, how we met, like just, okay. So yes. Okay.

Connie Fontaine: backgrounds.

Lori & Jenn: We are, yes, we're from very different backgrounds. So I, my background is in health and fitness.

Um, I've been in this field for than I wanna admit, 25 plus years. Um. And started out doing corporate fitness and wellness and then started my own business from there. And then it kind of morphed into, um, just a lot of New York City kinds of, um, clients and, and locations and group classes and all of that.

And with that, um, I was doing a dog, uh. A workout class, a bootcamp for dogs, um, that we called Fitness Unleashed. So, know, as you know, we both have dogs. So Lori and I met [00:04:00] through the daycare where our dogs. Went to daycare. Right. So we were doing, um, a charity walk. Yeah. So we should give a shout out to Tanya Eisenstein.

Eisenstein Eisenstein, yes. Who own at the time owned Camp Canine, which should give them a little shout out to. And I had done this walk the year before and had spent, after the walk was over, which by the way, the walk was all, I think of like a mile and a half. It was not like, it was more like a little stroll with your dogs, but it was fun.

And so the next year I came and she, uh, Jen had also come. The walk was over and I let, the year before I had lunch with Tanya and I was expecting to do the same, and she's like, look, I can't go, but why don't you? Walk home. Why don't you, this is Jen. Why don't you guys walk? And so what ensued was what? Basically a long walk, a very long walk and, um, hours, I think. Yeah, two or three hours. 

The Power of Friendship and Support

Lori & Jenn: It was a long walk, but, uh, at the time I was going through a divorce and, [00:05:00] um. you'll get to probably learn on this podcast today that I pretty much wear my heart on my sleeve. Um, I am an open book. I am super transparent, almost to a fault. Um, and so I kind of word vomited to Lori for three hours, my entire life story, and right what I was going through. I'm like. Oh my gosh, this girl is never gonna wanna like hang out with me again. like the most terrible thing. It was crazy. Um, and then after that, after that, I was still married at the time and my ex-husband, um, was at the beginning of what eventually led to our divorce, but was at the beginning of a midlife crisis and decided he wanted to climb Mount Kilimanjaro and so needed a trainer. And so I was like, oh, I met this girl. And so she started training my ex-husband to climb Mount Kilimanjaro, which he did successfully, I think, thanks to her training,

Connie Fontaine: Chen.

Lori & Jenn: I'm gonna give her the credit.

Not him ever I known. Then [00:06:00] I would've, how you only known And so. Through that, through her, like they became friends and, but then we just became friends. Mm-hmm. And like, I always felt like, um, you know, the universe has brought us together and kept bringing us together. Like, I would be in the park and then all of a sudden Jen would be there in the park.

And then yeah, we kept having these random run-ins, random run-ins, and which I guess aren't so, weren't so random. Right. Right. And so then at the time, I, um, had gained a lot of weight and I was like, oh, well if you know, he's using her as a trainer, I wanna use her a trainer. And so I did. And she helped me lose 30 pounds at the time, which was not no small feat. I. Um, before any,

Connie Fontaine: Jen.

Lori & Jenn: well, she did the work, any, you know, any weight loss. It was pre all of those GLP ones.

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: that was good. Wish I had invented those. I know. And so, um, so I always thought like, well, you know, the universe brought us together because I needed to lose weight, and here was this person.

And then lo and [00:07:00] behold. I decided, I, I decided I was going through divorce. Um, you know, it was kind of decided for me and I kind of kept it to myself for a few weeks. I had found out that my husband had been unfaithful. Our stories became very similar, Jen's eye, and finally I realized maybe the reason that we were brought together is because have both had this similar kind of divorce story and she really helped me.

Again, good job, Jen. Thanks. Um, getting, I'm getting a lot of accolades

Connie Fontaine: too.

Lori & Jenn: here. Know that I deserve a lot of accolades, um, and help me get through the divorce, start a new life. Um, really was, um, you know, kind of like the best friend you hope for when you're going through something like that.

Connie Fontaine: you turned it into something that's bigger for a lot of people,

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: of fun for, for people like me who you, I mean, you speak directly to me with so many of the guests that you have on. So you've turned this friendship and this great, you know, chance meeting kind of into something that's big and

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Podcast Impact, Career and Personal Growth

Harry Cohen: And big and beautiful is really why [00:08:00] we wanted you on our podcast because the good work that you're doing, you're so authentic, you're so vulnerable, you're so, as you say, just out there and real. I. I believe Will and have helped so many people. That's our mission spread this goodness spread wisdom spread helpfulness to the world.

And you guys are really doing that through your podcast, but your guests not, but, and your guests are talking to you and you guys are sponges to try and how can I take the these wisdoms and apply them for yourselves, which I so appreciate. You certainly did that when you guys were talking to me.

Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm.

Harry Cohen: And I've been listening to a few of your podcasts to prepare for this, and it's just so cool to see real, authentic, vulnerable people be, Hey, so how can I be a better, healthier person?

And it's just lovely. I want to just praise you to the high [00:09:00] heavens.

Lori & Jenn: Well, thank you. That's so sweet. Well, I think also part of our, I don't know if it's success, but Jen likes to use each podcast as a. One-on-one doctor's appointment or advice session for herself. And so I think that kind of brings

Harry Cohen: that, that's what it feels like

Connie Fontaine: Yeah, it

Lori & Jenn: Well, you know, you know what's funny is that

Harry Cohen: a good way.

Lori & Jenn: do that, I, I will admit that, but I think that it's. Also like a lot of my crazy comes out and Lori likes to hide her crazy. I hide crazy. So mine is like right out there for everyone to see and hear and Lori's like, yeah, she plays it like she's got nothing wrong. She has it all together. I'm like, oh, Jen's the one who needs all of this self-help. But no.

Yeah,

Connie Fontaine: it's one of the things that we have in common that we, I mean, we do this podcast for

Lori & Jenn: for ourselves.

Connie Fontaine: and we remind ourselves that we're sharing it with others and we're helping other people grow in the same way. But every day we get to wake up and it influences the way we had, like Harry, we were telling each other stories this morning.

We've already used the work this morning. We've already stopped [00:10:00] taking a breath and treated people in a way that they. to be treated. Maybe not necessarily the way they deserve to be treated in the moment, but, um, the wor the work, it's, it's me, it's practice for us too. So

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: for the same reasons we're doing the podcast.

Lori & Jenn: we love that. That was one of the things that, like, it made us, it kind of flipped a switch in me at least after, um, we spoke to you, Harry, that I was so much more conscious and aware, like every day. Yeah. Um, which was great. I mean, I, I lost it a little bit because, um, this morning I did not start my day with a very kind,

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: but I, I'm doing my best.

Harry Cohen: that sentence, I'm doing my best and I'm aware. Drop the mic. We're done. Podcast is over.

Connie Fontaine: Yeah,

Harry Cohen: I mean, that

Connie Fontaine: About 1%. I mean, it's about being a little bit better. Doesn't have to be perfect. We're not

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: I.

Harry Cohen: and, and that notion of being aware and trying to be your best self. [00:11:00] That's today's chapter is the whole point. And you got it. You got it and you practice it. And even when you said, well, I wasn't very good this morning, that's great. So you get to do the next right thing. You get another split second say, okay, I'll try my best to do, to be my best period.

And one of the beauties that we love about this work is that it, it is easy. Therefore accessible to everybody. Everybody can smile at a stranger and forgive themselves and catch themselves being salty after they're salty. I was telling Connie that this morning I swore at the coffee machine and it, it required water and I swore at it as a reflex and I thought, and I, what I realized in that moment, I chuckled afterwards.

It was from your interview this past week on your podcast, that Thoughts Have a Vibration, the Mary Morrissey podcast,

Lori & Jenn: Oh my God. [00:12:00] We love

Harry Cohen: Uhhuh.

Lori & Jenn: chatting with her. Oh my God.

Harry Cohen: And so it was a Nudgey beautiful reminder.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Harry Cohen: Be the sun. Harry, you got this. Harry, come on. Isn't that cute? How you swear at a coffee machine when it doesn't work?

Lori & Jenn: yeah.

Harry Cohen: And so,

Connie Fontaine: make

Lori & Jenn: It,

Connie Fontaine: better, that vibration

Harry Cohen: oh yeah.

Connie Fontaine: about,

Harry Cohen: Yeah.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: on their podcast, you guys talked a little bit about it and said, you know, isn't there

Lori & Jenn: Sometimes

Connie Fontaine: it's

Lori & Jenn: it's okay.

Connie Fontaine: the salt if somebody's like that to you. And what I said

Lori & Jenn: I said to you about that.

Connie Fontaine: I wish you would've said, yeah, but you're not gonna feel better.

Like in

Harry Cohen: Yeah. Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: making them feel bad is. gonna make you feel better. 'cause of those vibrations you're

Harry Cohen: Yep, yep.

Lori & Jenn: yeah.

Connie Fontaine: and then you're

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: great. I let 'em know how I feel, but I still feel crappy.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. Yeah, that's, it's

Harry Cohen: I,

Lori & Jenn: um, I, I didn't say my background, but

Harry Cohen: oh.

Lori & Jenn: I'm a, sorry, I cut, cut you off. No, I didn't, it didn't even occur to me to say it. Try truthfully, but it's, uh, it's pertinent to what I'm about to say, which Jen's tired of hearing about. But I work in television. I work at, you know, live with Kelly and Mark,[00:13:00] 

Harry Cohen: People don't know that we'll do that on the intro, but

Lori & Jenn: yeah.

Connie Fontaine: will be in our formal

Lori & Jenn: Yeah,

Harry Cohen: that's a big, big, you're, you're a big deal is, uh, uh, what is it? Will Ferrell would say, you know, I'm a big deal. Anyway, go ahead.

Connie Fontaine: because I know

Dealing with Change: Gratitude and Daily Practices

Lori & Jenn: I'm a very, I'm a very small deal in a big deal, but we recently, in the past two months, we've moved downtown to this new, very corporate environment. It was a very rough. Move for me. I'd worked in the same building for 30 years. I, it was rough for me too. I just wanna say it was rough. It was very rough.

I talked about it. I

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: paralyzed. It literally paralyzed me. And for the first month going there, I was so miserable and I'm not a miserable person by. Um, and I decided within myself, like I had to stop it. And so in the subway and that split second, I was like, all right, I'm gonna buy into a gratitude.

I'm gonna be thankful for every little thing I'm like. Grateful that the subway door opened, and I'm right [00:14:00] by the entrance on Van Damm. I'm grateful to walk into this building. I'm grateful for the bathrooms that you just have to wave your hand in front and the door swings open and so it, it has definitely turned my mindset there around.

Harry Cohen: Hallelujah. That's all we're after for everybody. Always make it easy. You did that, you did that, and look at its effect on your day. Same. You're the same person, the same producer, but you're having a better day. Love that.

Connie Fontaine: Right.

Harry Cohen: So.

Lori & Jenn: Um,

Connie Fontaine: I always wanna start your day out, and we used to talk about that with our kids. If never have an argument or a fight when you're sending 'em out the door, same thing

Lori & Jenn: yeah,

Connie Fontaine: Why walk out the door being miserable

Lori & Jenn: I

Harry Cohen: Right.

Connie Fontaine: gotta start on

Lori & Jenn: Totally.

Harry Cohen: Really.

Lori & Jenn: so true. It just sets your day up. Yeah. To be, you know, it's like, I don't know. I feel like you then spiral into like all this negativity. I agree. You know, you attract what you put out there. Right. So, yeah. I mean, people keep asking me. I, with the dogs, I like the same daycare that we, we met at my dogs still go [00:15:00] there and, um. walk them 45 minutes across the park, six 30 in the morning I leave, but, and everyone's like, why don't you, why don't you just leave them at home? But it's that walk, that's the important part to me

Harry Cohen: Yeah.

Lori & Jenn: to start my day, even if I'm like complaining about getting up early and complain about all those things.

It's like I realize like you need to grasp onto the things that really kind of brighten you up,

Harry Cohen: And th

Lori & Jenn: you

Harry Cohen: those practices, it's so simple. Going for a walk with your dog across the park, your dog's up plural, is really a good practice. I so love that you brought it up. It's the tiniest thing, but it makes you feel better. And it's, well, it's empirical. You're in nature, you're exercising, you're doing something for others.

You're doing so many good things. You are being this magnificent heliotropic person. Lovely. Let let our listeners, or anybody who's listening, they go, you know what, I'm gonna do that. Uh, one of the things that I started doing since listening to one of your podcasts, [00:16:00] it's really easy to do. I microwave some frozen blueberries and throw some chia seeds in it, and it's part of my morning ritual.

Thank you very much. Yep. Yep.

Lori & Jenn: welcome. I'm glad that we, joy

Harry Cohen: you made my breakfast. Look at my breakfast

Lori & Jenn: Oh my God. That's awesome. Very impressive. That is awesome. We're gonna ask you for a testimonial. I know.

Harry Cohen: e easily that

Connie Fontaine: of, king of habit

Harry Cohen: Oh my God. Yes.

Connie Fontaine: He loves to add things to his day.

Harry Cohen: Heliotropic habits. Habits that that en enrich us, that help us, that are easy to do, that are now just part of who we are and what we do. That's really good. And we can do more of them. They're infinite and endless. And I've been listening to see, oh that one I can incorporate that one.

I'll do that one is not a bridge too far. And we want, you know, be the sun, not the salt, to be not a bridge too far. Anybody could do that in any moment.

Lori & Jenn: yeah, yeah,

Harry Cohen: It can stop and take a breath and [00:17:00] go. I'm sorry, I, I cut in front of you. Done?

Connie Fontaine: you were saying, you were saying how easy it is, and we also laugh about how easy it is to forget because

Harry Cohen: oh yeah. Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: it's supposed to be all that stuff we learned in

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm. And, and, and easy to, to get irritated at a split second over something that isn't important.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Harry Cohen: So I wanted to ask you guys, of all the guests, and by the way, you're our 50th podcast and I'm very, very proud. Yep. It, we should have a, some kind of a ceremony, um, an award. Um, and I was looking and listening to yours, your latest, I think it was 96 of all of them, of, of all of them.

Can you, would you mind sharing a couple that have, have stuck with you? Like my blueberries and chia seeds. So far it's, it's about a week. Let's see if it's a year from now, I'm still doing this, but have there any been nuggets that have been really sticky with [00:18:00] you, that have helped you, stayed with you, that have been good, easy, that like, you know what, whatever you're gonna say.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. You wanna go? No, you go. Okay. Um, well, well we, you know, we have, um, a lot of doctors on,

Harry Cohen: Yeah.

Lori & Jenn: um, medical experts and people that talk a lot about women's health and perimenopause. And one of the biggest, biggest things for me, um. getting on hormone replacement

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: speaking to one of the doctors.

And

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: it, it sounds very, you know, um, clinical, but it really was for my mental health as much as it was for my physical health. Um, was very moody. I was, you know, I mean, I. I cry at the drop of a hat anyway, but I was trying to get that a little bit under control. and just all the other kind of unpleasant

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: for me, that was like one of the biggest, that had the biggest impact, like immediate impacts [00:19:00] for me. There's so many others that, you know, I've tried to incorporate and keep like yours, um, and keep on continuing throughout, um, my, my days. But that was, I think, the most impactful for me.

Harry Cohen: Love it.

Lori & Jenn: if we're going along that route, see, I like, forget about It's, I, I feel like I know which one for you.

I know, yeah. I'm gonna say the gl Ready. Oh. Oh. What were you gonna say? Oh, I, I, oh, I actually have two. I have two. I have

Harry Cohen: You can have 10,

Lori & Jenn: I have 10. know, it's funny because I work on a live TV show and if you ask me who was on

Harry Cohen: I could,

Lori & Jenn: not know, and I.

Harry Cohen: right?

Lori & Jenn: that that's the way I am sometimes with our podcast as well.

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: Um, but I think that's, I'm gonna say Chris Carr, right? Um, Chris Carr is a kind of, I mean, I'm thinking everyone knows who she is and she had just come out with a book, A, uh, I'm not a morning person, which spelled morning, M-O-U-R-N-I-N-G. 

Dealing with Grief and Loss

Lori & Jenn: And so spoke to her and at the time, um, my dad

Harry Cohen: [00:20:00] Yeah.

Lori & Jenn: and, and it was her words and he died. Only a few months after we did that interview, I wrote her a note and it was really her words and her way of looking at grief

Harry Cohen: Hmm.

Lori & Jenn: in a way that, um, so much, so much of grief for everyone is, um. Anticipatory

Harry Cohen: Yeah.

Lori & Jenn: makes you realize that and she makes you realize how it comes and goes and ebbs and flows. you know how once that person is not around, that how to kind of, um, I. Be on the train and the train comes ramming through. And so it was so impactful for me. Yeah. What was her phrase? Like the train, the grief train comes, the grief train comes with like no warning. Yeah.

Harry Cohen: Uh.

Lori & Jenn: and comes along with of emotions.

It's, you know, anxiety and anger and sadness and you're like kind of getting on and off that train all the time. Yeah. [00:21:00] As well. And, um, just, it was just. It was weird time. Well, I shouldn't say weird timing. I, I, I think Jen and I both believe in a world with no coincidences and no accidents, uh, very strongly.

So it was no accident that we spoke to her. And, um, then this happened to me only months later, literally months later, and. It helped me in the end of his illness, you know, and kind of realizing that you have to look at what that person might need as opposed to what you need. And also after his passing, how to kind of, um. Help with my, I have two brothers and two sisters and, um, you know, how we're still dealing with that kind of grief, you know? And, and, and it's interesting. Now I'm like a year and a half, well, a year and change out af after he passed and how. Each of my siblings has dealt differently. I watch my brother. I, I see it in my brother, most of all.

My brother. [00:22:00] My father was very active and very philanthropic, uh, in UJA and those things. And my brother, my younger brother, who's 39, definitely assumed that mantle of that, you know, working in the world of philanthropy and trying to give my dad's, you know, philanthropic works. A future, a legacy. Yeah.

Yeah. A, a real legacy. My dad didn't need any of us to. His legacy is, is there, it, it didn't need us. We're the five of us are also his legacy and it obviously, but, um, my, you know, just seeing how each of us, um, hear his voice and, uh, our heads almost daily,

Harry Cohen: so much wisdom in in her recommendation and how everybody processes grief differently. I've often said, when I was told it and then I experienced it, grief is not a linear process. It takes its own course through all of us differently. You gotta accept that two years after the loss of a [00:23:00] loved one, you can burst into tears and go, what's this?

And you go, well, to your metaphor, which I now know it's the train, you know?

Lori & Jenn: Oh.

Connie Fontaine: Oops.

Lori & Jenn: Hmm.

Connie Fontaine: lost visual there.

Lori & Jenn: Uh.

Connie Fontaine: Hide and seek by Harry Cohen.

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Connie Fontaine: And you said you thought you had a second one, Lori,

Lori & Jenn: Well, the second one is much more medical. Um, like Jen's is that, you know, I, obviously I mentioned like we came together because I have had a problem, you know, gaining and losing weight over my many, you know, over my life. And so it was really a conversation with, uh, nutritionist that we had on and another.

Gastro. Yeah. Even, um, when we talked to, um, the nutritionist and the liver doctor. Yeah, the liver doctor, the, they're the ones who kind of said like, Hey, these drugs are kind of a miracle and don't be ashamed. You know, I mean, nervous about it and, and literally going [00:24:00] on these drugs. The GLP one drugs. Yeah, the GLP one.

Yeah. Agonist drugs. And I've been on them for a year and it's literally changed my whole, uh, life, you know, and how. I walk around in the world, you know, but it really was from one of our podcasts 'cause I was not doing it. Um, I was, you know, I was, she stopped listening to me is what happened. I know.

Connie Fontaine: Well, that's your first mistake.

Lori & Jenn: it's like having her,

but 

Um, you know, just as I'm thinking, I'm sorry. I just had this thought when, as we were kind of telling you our story and the, the different things that happened along the way and how you thought that I was here to help you to lose weight and then I got divorced and then you got divorced and then I helped you through that.

And my dad right now, this is why I'm feeling very emotional.

Connie Fontaine: Hmm,

Lori & Jenn: My dad is, um, is very sick.

Connie Fontaine: sorry, sorry.

Lori & Jenn: And he's on hospice, and so I know what's coming and I'm, I'm just [00:25:00] waiting for Lori to help me through that next step because she's been through it already. So I apologize for getting upset. And I, and I've been checking my, as funny, checking my phone a little bit here and there because I'm, you know, it's funny because as she, I actually asked her the other day, should we have Chris Carr back?

Connie Fontaine: Yeah.

Lori & Jenn: I said, no, I'm not, I'm not ready for that. I'm not ready, but.

He, um, he's pretty close. I mean, we're at the stage where, um, I mean, I've been there every day except for today. And of course today I get this like emergency phone call this morning and, but, um, but I think we've, it's under control right now, but, um. You know, there we're, we gave him morphine yesterday, so, you know, I'm, uh, I'm assuming that it's, you know, they had said a few months, but I don't think that it's even gonna be that long.

I don't get that sense. Um, I'm sorry, I don't mean, I don't wanna, like, this is supposed to be a very positive podcast.

Connie Fontaine: This is life. [00:26:00] This is life. Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: Oh

yeah. Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Which is the best.

Lori & Jenn: Oh, that's funny.

Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: Oh wow. Oh God. Oh my God. I have a friend whose mother I, it is just, I whole, totally. I have a friend whose mother knew she before she was dying, really took tours of wakes to see which funeral home [00:27:00] made them look the best. And that's how she chose what funeral home she wanted to be at for her funeral. Oh God.

Connie Fontaine: that's a planner.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: And

Lori & Jenn: And be grateful you get to do that. I didn't get to do that. Yeah, no, I know, I know. You know, the, the, the, the sad, I mean, all of it is sad, but the really, the, the really hard thing is, um, so he has dementia now and he doesn't know, he thinks he's getting better.

So every day that I go there, he's like, Jennifer, when am I gonna get better? Like, when is this, he thinks like he has an upper respiratory infection and, you know, um, so that, that kills me, you know? But, um. But I guess on the, on the bright side is that he, he doesn't know he's gonna get better and he doesn't know.

And, um,

Connie Fontaine: Yeah, and to

Lori & Jenn: so,

Connie Fontaine: everyday conversations with him during that period might be something that's satisfying for both of

Lori & Jenn: mm-hmm.

Connie Fontaine: I went through, I went through hospice with a grandmother who, what I

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: I was looking for this epiphany, this, this [00:28:00] wonderful, wise thing to say, and all she wanted to do was talk about that.

Everything was good.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: was in a good place, everyone felt good, and she could feel good. And once she had that comfort. It was really, it's an interesting process to go through. Just like grief is different for all of us. I think

Lori & Jenn: Mm-hmm.

Emotional Support and Coping Mechanisms

Connie Fontaine: process of, of dying is different for each

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: So I

Lori & Jenn: Yeah,

Connie Fontaine: get something.

And I'm a crier, so I don't know how I'm holding off, but we, we got your back. We have

Lori & Jenn: Good for you.

Connie Fontaine: worry

Lori & Jenn: for you. Thank you.

I know.

Connie Fontaine: Right,

right.

Lori & Jenn: you. Well, I said to Lori the other day, we were, she calls me, you know, every day and sometimes I just cry on the phone and she's like, I'll just sit here and listen to you cry. I'm like, oh, that sounds like a [00:29:00] lot of fun, you know? She said, well, I can come over, I can hang out. I go, no one wants to hang out with me.

I don't wanna hang out with myself. You know, it's, um. It's this very sort of, you know, literally before we got on with you, I'm about to go on hiatus and I was like, okay. I was like, I'm done on Wednesday. I'm gonna be there on Thursday. I'll just, I'll hang with the dogs, I'll get to go to the beach. You live by the beach.

And so. But, um, yeah, you know, you just, um, I think maybe because it's very, it's in my recent memory Yeah. Um, so strongly. I know there's nothing to say Right. Or do or anything. Yeah. Or do, but I keep trying to say it. You keep trying to say it and you keep trying to do it anyway. It's just human nature, I think, to do that.

But, um. 

Recovering from Overwhelm

Lori & Jenn: Well, I walked in with a, having a very salty conversation on the phone when I came in here, and that's what I said. I wasn't very nice this morning and you know, I don't know that I wanna apologize for it. I was [00:30:00] speaking with, you know, with hospice you have all these different nurses coming in and out and you've got all these different, you know, care managers and people calling and all these things, and I get a phone call this morning.

Um, saying that they're gonna deliver the hospital bed today, they just wanna make sure that someone's gonna be home to deliver it.

Connie Fontaine: Hm.

Lori & Jenn: No, my dad actually is booked a flight to Tahiti. He's leaving in a few hours. Like, so I was just, I was terrible on the phone. I was terrible. So I'm, I am. Putting that aside in my rear view mirror. I'm not apologizing for it, but I mean, come on. Like have a little common sense, right? Like, anyway, so I feel like I earned the right to be a little salty this morning.

You did. You did.

Okay. Okay.

Mm-hmm. [00:31:00] It's not, no, no, no.

Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: It's true,

Lori & Jenn: Yeah,

Connie Fontaine: They're on autopilot.

Lori & Jenn: right. Exactly. I guess that's it, right? They just have their sort of series of questions that they have to ask and that's, they don't deviate from that,

 Right, totally. Right.

Catching Yourself Being Salty & Recovering Well

Connie Fontaine: you know, that's your story when you were going through your cancer scare and you were checking into the hospital and you know, you went through some of that same too. You're like, what are you, oh. I mean that that's in those moments are when you're most vulnerable to being salty and you caught yourself.

But only because we were just about to publish the book, I think you said. I'm like, oh my God, the book is coming out and I really gotta go back and turn this around. You're gonna know me.[00:32:00] 

Lori & Jenn: Oh

yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: It's a little game we play called I used to, and now I,

Lori & Jenn: I know I, yeah.

Connie Fontaine: that, you know, you were talking about the different things that you, the nuggets you've kind of latched onto from your

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: and we do this with the chapters and, and talk a little bit about, oh boy, I used to be a lot.

I'm better than I used to be. Good for me, even though I'm

Lori & Jenn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Connie Fontaine: I'm, I'm gooder than I was for

Lori & Jenn: Yeah, totally.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. [00:33:00] Mm-hmm.

Connie Fontaine: Right.

I don't know if, is there any other be the sun, not the salt moments you guys have had reflecting back to think, okay, I, I'm gonna do this a little differently because, or I wish I would've have you reflected back on any of that.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah, I mean, I have for sure, Lori likes to remind me often that I hold onto things for a very long time, and, um, and I, he, he. Yes. Good for this one.

Connie Fontaine: job, Laurie.

Lori & Jenn: Good job, Lori. There's no good job Lori's here.

Connie Fontaine: get lots of good job, Laurie.

Lori & Jenn: No, seriously, you Do you point it out? I mean, you know, we make jokes about it, but it really has made me aware Yeah. Of like my, look, I'm not saying that I don't still do it, but my, um, my recovery time is much quicker. Mm-hmm. My sort of like. Oh, I did that. Or I'm holding. Okay, it's time to let [00:34:00] go of that.

Now that happened, you know, 25 years ago. No, not, I don't know. Sometimes I, I hold up sometimes it's a little long, but, um, but I think for me, that, that just, that response time or that, uh, recovery time has changed and I'm more aware of it. Mm-hmm. And, uh, you know, look, again, I don't not do it at all, but, um, it's, it's, yeah, I'm making progress.

Connie Fontaine: mentioned in the podcast. Yeah. Lori said in the podcast Not as long and not as, you know, full of fervor. You know, you

Lori & Jenn: Yes, yes, yes,

Connie Fontaine: and

Lori & Jenn: yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: fitness, it's like muscle memory. It gets easier and easier the more, or at least it has for me. The more I do it, the faster I recover and the less I intense it starts out.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. [00:35:00] Well, I always think about that phrase, right? That like when you have all this like anger and anxiety against someone, let's just say it's a person. It's like, you know, drinking the poison and expecting the other person to die, right? And.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Oh, that's very true. And Harry, so for Harry knows mine, my, I used to tell a lot of narratives to myself. I always knew what somebody was thinking about me, why they were doing it to me. Um, and assume positive intent. I. Just that whole idea has changed my life. Like I wish I would've honestly understood that

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: in my twenties,

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: myself a lot of grief in the work, in the workplace, for sure.

Lori & Jenn: [00:36:00] Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Better.

Lori & Jenn: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Connie Fontaine: Nick, good job, Laurie

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. When you say she'll, she'll say, she'll say to me, you are still thinking about that. Things, like I said, me forgetting things is a, I mean, I could, I'm gonna forget this conversation when we're done, by the way. But, um, you know, it, so the fact that she remembers everything, I mean it what. That's what makes this good.

Everything. Um, it's like, it's like certain things [00:37:00] just get imprinted in your brain, right? And you're, it's like you just can't forget 'em. Yeah. But, um, but I'm trying. Yeah. I'm trying and trying. Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Lori, how do

Lori & Jenn: I,

Connie Fontaine: how do you use this, um, in your day-to-day world? Because

Lori & Jenn: I feel Yeah,

Connie Fontaine: It's gotta be pretty hectic and

Lori & Jenn: it is. 

The Importance of Kindness 

Lori & Jenn: And it's been very hectic lately and you know, I try to remember that, um. Uh, there's a couple ways I, I do it, and one is with the audience itself, the people that come to see the show. And like you said, like I am a known quantity to people. Like people, you know, I've been, you know, people ask to take their photo with me and I've learned from.

Regis and Kelly after him, and now Mark that you have to be kind to those people and like, it's like makes their day, you know, to, um, meet you, say hello to you, be there, meet them, be in the presence of them high five a celeb as they're walking out, and you [00:38:00] just have to kind of remember that. You know, every day.

'cause there's like 200 new strangers who are coming in and we're there to entertain them in some way, you know? And Kelly and Mark are the face of that, but you know, we're there too, you know, trying to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

Right, right.

Connie Fontaine: Emmy Award-winning. Just throwing that in there.

Lori & Jenn: I, and I will say too, on the show, and having [00:39:00] been in the audience, audience, um, countless times that, that Kelly and Mark are that way too. Yeah. And they, and every commercial break, they will talk to the audience and they are so, so genuine. Whereas like you'll go to other shows and do not get that there's a commercial break and the hosts are, you know, off the stage, you know, so.

Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. It's, I know. It, it's funny. What, and, and you know, on the flip side, you know, you always think of, um, us, you know, giving out the sun. But I was on the receiving end of the sun, um, this week. I didn't tell you this story, but, um, Daniel Brooks, the actress, uh, the actress came on. She's been nominated for an Academy Award.

She's lovely. She's a lovely person. Always friendly. I mean, I don't think she's been on in a couple years and she comes. Bouncing into the studio, and I just happened to be standing there and I, you know, look, you see a celebrity, you're like, Hey, welcome back. Hi. You know who they are. And I took [00:40:00] her to her dressing room.

She's like, oh my God. She's like, um, how are you guys doing in this new space? I saw the episode where you were saying goodbye to your old studio, and it took me a minute, but I realized I was very prominent in one particular tape that about saying goodbye. Um, and I realized she knew me. From that, and so knowing that she was kind of recognizing me, like made me feel so good, you know?

Connie Fontaine: you

Lori & Jenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't that, yeah, that's great. Yeah. I should feel good. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah.

it's just, it's just really funny. But that's the way, you know, we have to be, and, and you know, in, in our present circumstance, um, it's the first time all of the talk shows were all under [00:41:00] one roof, down the hall, right next door,

Connie Fontaine: Hmm.

Lori & Jenn: dressing rooms mixed

Connie Fontaine: Oh,

Lori & Jenn: together. And it has learned, it has taught me that, um, yeah, we just have to be.

We're not the enemy, we're not. We're com we're in competition, but we're we're friendly competition. And so that's been a real learning experience, I think for, that's tough. All of our staff, because there is a competition among the shows, like to get guests first and to. Be on the air first with something or talk about something first.

And so just to know that we really have been put in a position that we really have to all work together has been a real learning experience. And I think our, our staff got credit, um, for being one of the nicer staffs, which who would even think that if you asked any of us, I don't think that we would say that that was true.

[00:42:00] Yeah,

Connie Fontaine: Right,

Lori & Jenn: yeah,

yeah. Right, right. yeah,

Connie Fontaine: right.

Lori & Jenn: yeah, yeah,

Connie Fontaine: Yeah, it's a culture. You know what

Lori & Jenn: yeah, it is. Sure.

Connie Fontaine: you're not in a culture. You are the culture and you know,

Lori & Jenn: Right.

Connie Fontaine: there long enough to impact that.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Connie Fontaine: makes

Lori & Jenn: It's so true. It it is, it is. Yeah. It's, it's so true. I mean, it's, um, you know, and just, you know, in my job I have to take into it. Into it. Um. Consideration when I assign things out.

Like who has a sick parent? Who has a sick kid who can't be there 'cause of school, who can't be there 'cause they're on vacation, who needs a day off, who's sick? You know? And trying to kind of juggle all of that and do it with, to accommodate everyone. Yes. I have to remember, I, I remind myself daily that I have to do that with kindness because I get.

Uh, irritated.

Connie Fontaine: [00:43:00] It's honest.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Right.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. So.

Connie Fontaine: the other things I wanna make sure that we project out. 

Building and Nurturing Friendships

Connie Fontaine: I mean, people will feel it listening to you guys, but the friendship, the importance of friendship and, and leaning on others, like Harry was saying to Jen, don't be afraid. The people aren't feeling like they are burdened by you.

People want to be. And so I think, especially as we get older, um, Lori entered the same decade I entered recently, and it, I think it has become

Lori & Jenn: It's rough.

Connie Fontaine: It, it is rough. But I've embraced it because the people that are ahead of me in this journey that I've met are so happy and living life.

And so I've been able to kind of take that same tact. But if friendships have become more and more important to me because my life has started to form around different things, it's not all about my job all the time. So I want everyone to, first of all,

Lori & Jenn: All

Connie Fontaine: health. Listen to everybody talks. There's so many great episodes that I've

Lori & Jenn: thank you. [00:44:00] Thank you.

Connie Fontaine: also I'd, I'd love for you guys to lean into the friendship. Not everyone's gonna have a friendship where you guys pass your burdens back and forth. Divorce, divorce, lose a parent, lose another parent. Um, but, but we have other things we can share.

 'cause I, I've found it just fulfilling to listen to you and I love you guys hold each other accountable and your sarcasm and it's just, it's fun.

Lori & Jenn: There's a lot of sarcasm. Yeah, there's a lot. We, I have to say like Jen and I don't fight. I think because we know we can say most anything to the other one. Yeah. And we don't get mad. Well, sometimes we get a little mad. I might get mad. I think I get mad. I get a little mad too. Yeah. But

it's, 

Connie Fontaine: can unpack that

Lori & Jenn: I know, but it's nothing but that.

We don't, that I don't say out loud to you. No. There's, I mean, there's never, most of never. No, we're never, we don't sit on it like, and I mean that's one thing in my personality, like I need to take care of something like right away if something's bothered me, I need to tell you right away. Yeah. Well I just wanna say, just going back to like the, that friendship piece and we obviously met as adults and I was reading something recently about how, you know, you [00:45:00] have these like phases of your life and of friendships and you can have like.

These, and I have very, very close childhood friends. She really does. Um, that I'm, that I'm super tight with. And you know, up until really I met you, I really kind of kept to my circle of, you know, I would have acquaintances and yeah, I'm pretty outgoing and friendly and whatever, right. But as far as having like an a friend that I consider to be another close

friend in my circle Yeah.

Was like. Oh, wow, that's interesting. You actually can develop a friendship like that as an adult, and, and neither of us are parents, so I know a lot of my friends that are parents will say, oh, well I've met, made friends through my kids' parents, or through, you know, soccer games or this or that, and I, I never had that, so I just thought like, well.

This is, I'm fine with this. It's okay. Yeah. Um, so I just think that's kind of important to say, like that you can make real friendships later on in life. Yeah, totally. I'm not as old as she is, but, uh, she likes to remind me of that. Every [00:46:00] chance she gets,

Connie Fontaine: I do love. I love your love language

Harry Cohen: Yeah. Yeah. But, but I, I 

Lori & Jenn: holding on by a threat. I'm holding on by a threat. Yeah. I mean, it's like whenever she's, like, when I was in kindergarten, I mean, and I'm like, you mean when I had my first job, I was like, what? Well, here's a song on the radio. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this reminds me of like my sophomore year of high school.

She's like, what?

Connie Fontaine: Just say rude.

Lori & Jenn: Totally, totally doesn't give a chance

Connie Fontaine: Not, not a good job, Jen.

Lori & Jenn: I'm sorry. No, I get, I get into merit for that. I get into merit. I, I,

Connie Fontaine: Go ahead, Harry. Trying to get a word in

Lori & Jenn: yes.

Harry Cohen: I was gonna say that friendship is, I mean, empirically, there's this great researcher from Harvard did a longevity study, and the number one thing that predict predicts longevity, you might want to have him on as a guest is friendship, is social connections. It is, it trumps everything else.

Cholesterol [00:47:00] and everything else. Genetics, all the rest. And the fact that you guys have cultivated this beautiful friendship. Is, you know, a testimony to its power, but also for anybody's listening, friends are more important than anything. Nurture them, cultivate them. To your example you just gave, well, I don't have any, and I'm 40, 50, 60, so what.

I know some people that found each other way late in life, and I can speak to your two, the two of you, and the friendship that you guys embody. Talk about learning to exercise at a late age. Learning to eat right at a late age. Learning to honor deep enduring and beautiful authentic friendship at a late age.

Let others go. I guess I can do that. You betcha. So let the world know that good company is extremely good for us, and you guys are good company for each other.

Lori & Jenn: Thanks. We're. Thank you. It's never too late. It's too late. I feel like it's never too late. That's always what I say on our podcast when we have one [00:48:00] of these, these doctors. No, you always, you always say, because I am I too late? Am I too late? Yeah. Can I, can I still do that? Can I still do that? You know, I we're learning all these things that I wish I was 40.

Like it's a frustrating situation,

Connie Fontaine: no.

Harry Cohen: But that, okay, so you learned it now? I 

Lori & Jenn: I know 

Harry Cohen: I wish somebody would've told me. I wish somebody told me. Well, we're telling you now. Okay. This is the secret to life. Friendship is the secret to life. Blueberries and chia seeds. The secret to life. I mean, you know, exercise. It's all good. Well, what's better?

Exercise or friendship. Yes. You know what I mean?

Connie Fontaine: Well now, and now we know you can have a be the Son buddy. Like they have, you know, just nudging. And, and that's what you and I do for each other, Harry, is we nudge each other. Whoop, stop. You'll, you'll catch me off and saying, Hmm, you don't need to go 

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. 

Connie Fontaine: I think it's good for all of us.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah.

Harry Cohen: So appreciate you guys.

Connie Fontaine: did you have any other questions on your list, Harry? 'cause.

Pride in Community and Wellness Initiatives

Harry Cohen: it, well, I think you guys, um, I don't know if [00:49:00] this is, I don't know if you can answer this, but what do you guys feel the most proud of, of all that you've created and all the work that you've put out there?

Lori & Jenn: I mean, I know, I'm gonna say, I know one thing that I, that occurred to me just this past weekend is that we have, um, a group of, in addition to our podcast, we have a wellness group that we'd like to cultivate to be bigger, uh, and more people. Much, much bigger. Bigger. So anyone listening join, but. It's a group.

We have about 10 to 15 at any time. Women that have really hung in with us since the pandemic and of all ages from like thirties to seventies, right? 70. And so we actually met. We've met different times over the few years, but there's one woman who we never met in person until this past a week ago. We met her finally in person.

But what that was great, and it's amazing to be with them, but what is even more great to me is that we've cultivated a [00:50:00] group of friends. They connect with each other. Independently of us. Mm-hmm. And they left the lunch and they walked together. They met each other's, husbands, families, daughters. And I'm so proud that we have cultivated this group of friends.

Mm-hmm. And more than wellness. And if, if friendship is the key to wellness, then we've accomplished our goal. I mean, doing that. Yeah. You know. Yeah, I, I a hundred percent agree. Yeah, I would say that's probably what, what I'm most proud of. And you know, as much as like, I sometimes feel like I'm spinning my wheels and I'm doing all this work and what, you know, and we, it's like, oh, we have this small group, we have this small group, and, and why isn't it bigger?

It's like, well, we have this group, we have these amazing women who have. Benefited so much from not only the, oops, not only the health and wellness information, but like Lori said, the, the community and the friendship. We have a, we have a chat with them that [00:51:00] started out as them just asking me questions about nutrition and things like that.

And now it's an everyday chat where everyone says Good morning at various times of the morning. Um, I'm always, first Saturday, she's always, first, I'm always last. Um. And they just, they talk to each other. Yeah. In the chat now. And it's just, it's, it's so amazing. Yeah. And I really am super proud of that.

Yeah.

Connie Fontaine: Please make sure we've got that detail. We'd love to share it in the show notes.

Lori & Jenn: yes, we definitely will for sure. I mean, and look, and we're proud that we had an idea two years ago to do this podcast that someone said, Hey, you guys should have a podcast. And we, well, people thought that our Instagram live, you were on Instagram Live. Were a podcast mostly. My mom still thinks that our Instagram is the podcast, our podcast, but, but I feel like we.

Did it. We did the thing. We just dings. We did. We just did it. And, and also we've become, I think in New York, uh, you know, at the very least, we go to a lot of events here that we've become. [00:52:00] I mean, I don't, in that circle of, in that circle, we're in the circle of these wellness. Women in New York City 

 I feel proud that we kind of, whether we insinuated ourselves, whether, you know, we just kept asking the right questions and going to the right things. That we created this, like you said, this podcast where we don't, we get to learn so many things.

So

many things. But also we are learning so many, you know, like we're learning out in the world. So many things of how to meet people and become part of. Bigger conversation.

Connie Fontaine: Right, and you provide those cliff notes to a lot of people, which is great.

Lori & Jenn: Yeah. Yeah.

Harry Cohen: so glad I asked that question.

Connie Fontaine: That was a great question. That was a great question. 

Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

Connie Fontaine: All right, well, I think, yeah, this was, this was exactly what we hoped it would be. Lots of laughs, lots of giggles and just a lot of fun because what, what we're doing is pointing people towards how we feel we're, we are getting better and better every day, and you two are doing it as well.

I feel like if we could mash the two ideas

Harry Cohen: Mm-hmm.

Lori & Jenn: Hmm.

Connie Fontaine: it's like the ultimate go-to both podcasts. So thank 

Lori & Jenn: brainstorming. I know I'm gonna [00:53:00] start brainstorming a collaboration. I know. Glad I know

Connie Fontaine: Same here. Same here.

Lori & Jenn: I

Harry Cohen: Love it,

Lori & Jenn: well 

Connie Fontaine: I just, you're in that wicked space for me. That's just perfect. So I feel the same way. I've got some ideas.

Lori & Jenn: Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much for having us. We, we, it, it was fun to be on the other side for

once, I 

Harry Cohen: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was your first time being on a podcast.

Lori & Jenn: correct.

Harry Cohen: How cool is 

Lori & Jenn: I was on a couple.

Oh, she's been on. It's the first

time 

Harry Cohen: first time the two of you ta.

Lori & Jenn: together. Yes. I'm in a different kind of conversation. Like I've been on podcast's. True. I'm just talking about That's true. Specific health

topics and things, but yeah. 

Harry Cohen: we broke new ground. Our 50th

Lori & Jenn: did, I was so nervous and I'm sweating so much. Exactly. I know. I'm sweating too.

I'm sweating. We turned the air off. No, no. 'cause we turned the air off in

here. It's hot in New York today. It's like 90 degrees in New York today. It's really hot.

Connie Fontaine: we had that yesterday here in Michigan.

Lori & Jenn: Brutal.

Harry Cohen: appreciate

Connie Fontaine: well, great to have you. Hope. Hope this is not the last time we see each other and spend some time together. So we'll get you out here to Michigan.

Lori & Jenn: Thank you. Thank

Harry Cohen: you guys.

Connie Fontaine: That sounds great. Thank you.

Lori & Jenn: you.

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