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E129 | Discipline, Without The Punishment
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What if discipline didn’t feel like punishment? We dig into a kinder, smarter way to create change by building a supportive “container” that fits your season of life, lowers stress, and actually sticks. Instead of rigid checklists or vague “do what feels good,” we map out a practical middle path with predictable minimums, flexible guardrails, and the tools that keep you moving when motivation dips.
Today, Lindsey & Laken unpack the two common extremes: super vigilant control on one side, laissez-faire drift on the other—and show how each can backfire. Through honest stories about food tracking, sleep boundaries, missed workouts, and even faith routines, we highlight how self-criticism sabotages progress while care-based structure makes it sustainable. You’ll learn why your nervous system matters more than willpower, how cortisol can derail well-intended plans, and why simple rules like “protein and fiber at each meal” outperform perfectionist tracking for long-term health.
We also get tactical: define one predictable minimum for sleep, movement, and meals; choose an accountability lever that fits your personality; and ditch the “start over Monday” script by simply continuing today. If comparison spirals keep you stuck, we’ll help you replace them with tools and context that meet you where you are. By the end, you’ll have a clear framework to transform discipline from a source of stress into a source of support—and a way to collect real evidence that your efforts are working.
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Welcome & Why Discipline Feels Hard
SPEAKER_00Any views, thoughts, and opinions expressed on the Rejuvenating Health podcast are solely those of the speakers and are intended as such. Please consult your trusted healthcare practitioner for medical advice. Let's go, girls.
Two Camps: Hyper-Control vs Go-With-The-Flow
SPEAKER_01Hello, ladies. Welcome back to the Rejuvenating Health Podcast. I am your resident mindset coach, Coach Lakin, and I'm joined as always today by the wonderful Lindsay Van Shoy, women's health nurse practitioner. And today we are going to chat about discipline. And I specifically wanted to bring this up for two reasons. One, because it's a topic that's been coming up a lot in sessions with clients that I've been doing. And it was also the central focus of a workshop that I recently led. But also because most women have a very difficult relationship with discipline, right? And it's it's in just that, that it's in our relationship with discipline, not the discipline that itself, that in and of itself. And I really am excited to talk to Lindsay about this today because uh most people would deem me as being an extremely disciplined person, but I ain't got nothing on this girl right here. Uh, I would consider Lindsay probably the most disciplined woman that I know. And I want to uh get her perspective on that, but also to highlight the differences of how we view discipline and our relationship with it and how that can either help or hinder us in our process of trying to make changes to our lifestyle and to our health.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I love that. I would say I am very disciplined. You are right. But I have some weaknesses that we can dig into, and it all stems from like I don't want to say importance, um, but like the value. I don't even, I don't even know. I don't like we'll dig into it um for sure. But by the end, hopefully you can feel more like discipline is a support tool for you instead of like uh a punishment. Because I think that's what a lot of people view discipline as is this like dogmatic, you have to do this, this, this, this, this type of thing. And I don't necessarily think that it's that at all.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. What what I commonly see is most women will fall into one of two camps if this is something that's a struggle area for them, right? It's one camp is uh almost like a hypervigilance of like, this is what is a big identifier for me. And I have to have all of my ducks in a row and my boxes checked and all the things, right? And that's what makes me feel safe is this level of control. Um, but it tends to be very difficult to sustain that over time, especially if that's the way that we're viewing it. And then the other camp is usually where we have already gotten burnt out a little bit, or maybe we've never seen discipline as a positive thing. Maybe we have a past struggle with it, or we had a parent that had almost too much rigid structure, and so we rebelled against that. And so the other camp is this um very laissez-faire, like, well, you know, I don't want to do anything that I have to do. I just want to listen to my body. I just want to do what feels right for that day, kind of thing. And that can feel really great for a period of time also. And there, again, there's components of that that are very beneficial. But what I often see is then that will tend to lead to a little bit of uh drift, is what I would call it, right? Where I I'm struggling to actually reach the outcome that I want. And so I get a little demotivated in that process, but I'm telling myself it's because I'm doing what feels good and I'm not pushing myself outside of my my comfort zone. And so those are the two areas that we usually see women fall into. And there has to be um some somewhere in between that we can get to that encompasses a little bit of both, would be the goal, right? And the goal would be, like you said, can it be supportive? Can we create this container that is the structure piece of it where I have certain things in place that are aligned to me for that season of my life where I am at this time, right? We can't just build this rigid structure from nothing. I can't go from, well, I only do what I feel like it in the moment to I have all these boxes that I have to check at every point of the day, right? That's not realistic. So can I find the container that suits me to where I am at this point that takes me just a little bit outside of the comfort zone, that pushes me a little bit? And can I also listen to my body and be open to what feels good for me within that container and kind of adjust within? But it gives me like guardrails, like when you're bowling, right? So you don't get gutter balls.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's and some of what you said sounds like that all or nothing mentality.
SPEAKER_01For sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
Personal Journeys: Rigidity, Recovery, Balance
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So where how would you identify like because you've gone through different phases, right, where discipline has felt good and where it hasn't. So how would you identify your journey with discipline as far as where it has where maybe it's gone a little too far in one direction? And then how have you gotten to a point where it feels good for you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I would say I tend to lean more towards the obsessive rigid type of way, right? And so in the past, like obviously when I was in my eating disorder, that went way too far. Right. Um, like I remember there was one time in my fitness pal where I had loved my food for like 3,600 days. Like, what the hell? That is ridiculous. Like, or like just like super rigid about stuff. Um and for a lot of people now, like I might seem rigid, but it it's not that way to me, you know. So like my family always makes fun of me because they're like, oh, seven o'clock, mom's gotta be in bed, you know, like and I like that's not rigidity for me. That's like I feel like shit if I don't get my sleep. Like I know what I feel like if I don't get my sleep. And the same thing with like I used to like freak out if I miss a workout. I don't do that anymore. Like, I'm just I'm learning to listen to my body, but also like, yeah, I make sure I get up and do my workouts 99% of the time because I'm not a nice person to be around if I don't.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01So in that way it feels more supportive.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like I and and same thing with food, right? Like there, I know what it feels like to feel good, and I don't want to feel bad ever again. So, like, yeah, I used to like chow down on some Greek yogurt and granola, like it was my job, and then I took it out for three months and I'm like, whoa, like I don't have a stomach ache anymore, and I lost 15 pounds of inflammation. Like, yeah, do I sometimes want to eat Greek yogurt and granola because I like love it? I don't want to feel like I don't want my stomach to hurt like that ever again, right? Like, you know, but it it's all about uh I for me, discipline is a value thing or uh like what is this doing for me type of thing. And like I'm struggling with discipline right now, like in my faith journey. So like I bought a Bible reading study, and I'm supposed to, this is ridiculous. I'm supposed to like spend 10 minutes in my Bible a day and I am not doing a good job at it.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_00Why do you think that is? I think because I don't see a destination at the end of it, like you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, what is this gonna get me?
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00Right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's like we want to attach the effort to the outcome.
SPEAKER_00Like I know I should be doing it, and I know it will bring me like closer to my relationship with God, and I know that like it is what I should be doing, but it is like the last thing that I put my priority into. Like, I'll do all the other things before I do it. And I know that like that's a religious thing that I'm struggling with discipline right now, but it could like I know that's a huge struggle with people for exercise and stuff like that. And for some reason, I am having trouble finding like value in that, or and it's not even value. I I see the value in it, but yeah, I'm struggling with discipline on that, which is so it's not like I have every aspect of my life together in discipline, right? Like if it was something that I was being tied down and was like, like in school, I don't want to do my freaking schoolwork, but like I have to pass my classes, so I know I have to do it. Like I don't want to go to work every day, but like I know I have to do it, so I'm gonna do it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we've touched on this before briefly too, right? And this ties in of like what is the source of motivation, right? And people usually, it's usually comes from one of two places, either out of avoiding a consequence or a pain, quote unquote, right? Or going towards a desire or a pleasure. And the avoidance of pain is a much bigger motivator for most human beings than seeking pleasure, right? So we'll we'll often choose because we're we're wired for safety. And so we're gonna choose the thing that avoids the um the unsafety or the the danger, quote unquote, right, to our nervous system. And I, you know, I've had a similar experience where I used to be super rigid and have kind of found that middle ground in between. There was a point in time where, you know, I literally remember when I was tracking food diligently in that way, I tracked like a string of a pull and peel twistler, right? Because it was down to that level of like, oh, I have to make sure that everything's accounted for. And it was that very that all or nothing mentality, right? Like, if I'm not gonna do every little thing, then why is it worth the effort of doing?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's like I used to track like the communion at church. I'm like, oh my god, that's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was like every little thing, but that it at that time that's what felt safe for me because it allowed me to feel this level of control. Now it took a lot of time and also going the opposite direction of being like, I'm not doing any of that shit. That's ridiculous, right? To me, for me to realize, like, okay, in between, can I get to a place where I'm still meeting the main criteria, right? And that's this structure that I'm talking about. So the structure for for my personal example right now is okay, can I eat protein and fiber with each meal? Right. It's not, can I get a certain number of calories and a certain amount of protein with every meal? Because that's how it was. And before that, even more rigid, can I get exactly this number of calories per day and exactly this amount of protein per day? Right. And count every single thing that incorporates into that. Now it's okay, I understand that the guardrail is now I just need to have each meal needs to have protein and fiber included in it. And I don't restrict myself, right?
SPEAKER_00Okay, so then I'm gonna I had this conversation with a client this week. So then I'm gonna challenge you, okay, Awaken, but you're griping at me that you're not losing weight and you're frustrated, and I have no way of knowing what you're putting in your body. So I need you to maybe track your food for two weeks so we can see the nutrients and stuff that you're getting. I don't want you to go back to weighing and measuring and tracking everything, but for a short period of time, I might need you to pay attention to that and track some stuff because we don't know how many calories you're actually getting in, and if you're in a deficit.
Containers, Seasons, and Sustainable Structure
SPEAKER_01Right. Now that's where I was gonna go next, right? That being said, I've identified that container based on where I am now in my journey, and I'm not looking to change my body at this point in time, right? Now, if I'm looking for change, that's going to require a different container. That's why I said the container has to be built based on the season of life that you're in and it has to be adaptable, right? So you're exactly so, for example, if my container right now, what that used to be, I had to train six days a week, two hours a day, because I had a competition outcome that I was attached to, right? To where now it's if I get four days a weekend of strength training to whatever time it takes me or whatever time I have available for that day, that's that's fine for me. Now, if I were, again, I had a specific goal or outcome at that time that that container was more rigid, right? So we have to allow ourselves the grace of having the ebb and flow of there are going to be times where our container does feel a little bit more rigid, but we still have to find the sweet spot where can I be honest about the intentional effort that I'm putting in towards the goal without making it mean something about me if I don't achieve it? That's the key piece. So that looks like if I have a goal of um, let's go to movement, right? If I have a goal of hitting 10,000 steps a day, there may be days where that is not sustainable for me. And can I not do all or nothing and say, because I'm not gonna get 10,000, screw it, it's a wash and I'm not gonna go on an intentional walk that day. Or instead, can I say, I'm going to put intentional effort into getting the amount of steps that are possible for me for that day without making it mean that it wasn't worth it or that I didn't care enough or that I didn't push enough or that I'm not good enough, right? If I don't hit the 10,000 steps, if I hit seven to eight instead, right? Because it's still putting in the effort. It only is um, it's only disempowering when I decide that the container is all or nothing, and I have to hit every single mark in that container, or it's not worth having a container at all.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_01And so that that's the difference between it being supportive versus it being something that hinders me. And so, can it look like care as opposed to criticism?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So, where do you think most of our clients get stuck out with that?
SPEAKER_01I think most of them get stuck with using discipline as a source of criticism. That's where the negative self-talk comes in, right? So it's I'm deciding that this is the level of discipline that's appropriate for me right now, where I'm not being honest with myself, right? This is what is required of me because I want this drastic change and I want it in a timeline that's probably not realistic for me. And so, or I've seen somebody else do it. So I'm adopting that, not taking into any account what my lifestyle looks like versus theirs at that point in time. And then I'm gonna shit on myself every time that I don't hit that mark, right? And when I meet myself with the negative criticism, I'm going to associate that with discipline. And that is what creates that relationship with discipline where I have this negative feeling around it. It doesn't feel good, right? And then I say all or nothing and I say, well, it's not worth it, it's not worth doing, or it doesn't feel good, and I don't want to do it, or I'm gonna resist it, or even worse, I'm gonna have a stress response to it, right? So whereas your level of discipline works very well for you and it feels supportive, your level of discipline for somebody else could be extremely stressful.
SPEAKER_00Oh, for sure, it would be really stressful for some people.
SPEAKER_01And if it's stressing me out and my cortisol is responding to that, I'm going to have the inverse effect of what I'm looking for. That's where the coaching comes in. That's where we have to build a container that is suitable for you for where you are in your life, so that that way it doesn't feel terrible for you, for your nervous system. And also we have to work through what are you telling yourself through that component, right? Are you criticizing yourself through your container or are you caring for yourself through your container? Are you viewing it as something that's supportive for you? I also want to talk a little bit about like what's happening in in your nervous system, right? So what is happening, Lindsay, when you have all this like this this pressure, this stuff that comes up.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I felt like I feel stressed. Like I get irritable and like short and yeah, yeah, and stomach issues, I don't sleep. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So internally we have like usually a gut brain response, right? And that's responsible for so many functions.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. Like you're going to get all your hormones are going to get disrupted, your gut health's going to get destructed, your sleep's going to get destructed because that cortisol steals your sex hormones. Like there's a lot of biological stuff that happens.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Versus when we're in a place of a care-focused discipline container, then we're creating safety for ourselves, right? So that's creating a scenario where we can um we can identify predictable minimums, right? What is the minimum viable effort that I can put in where I know I'm getting some type of change, but I'm not throwing in the towel, right? Where I can identify clear boundaries like your sleep window, right? Where I can um make sure that I am planning for what's realistic for me and being flexible within that container, but still allowing it to feel supportive and caring. So it's not about like making the rules harsher. It's like how what pieces of this can I incorporate so the discipline will stick and so it's sustainable because you can always take it up, right? As it feels better, but it's really difficult when I start up here and then I fall off and then I try to get right back on where I fell off.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. All right, and I think that you have to get back up when you're falling off. So, like, I did one day of reading my Bible. I didn't do it yesterday, so I'm gonna get back and do it today, right? Like, you can't just be like, I'm not, I didn't do it one day. I'm just not gonna do anything out. Like, I'm I'm done. I'm not gonna do it.
Pain vs Pleasure: What Really Motivates
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, and that's one of the negative self-talk loops that comes up most often, right? Where it's like, well, I have to start over again. I have to start on Monday, I have to start, you know, uh next month at the beginning of the month. It's like, no, stop telling yourself that you have to start all over again. And it's I'm just keep going.
SPEAKER_00But I think that's where people get are are thinking about this all the wrong way, and that this isn't a diet, right? Like, I don't have like this is the way I live. So there is no like starting and stopping because it's just the way I live. Like, yeah, if I go on vacation, like, okay, like I'm off my routine, but when I get back home, like this is just my life and it's just the way I live. But I feel like a lot of people when they're trying to lose weight, feel like they view it as a short-term thing. Like, I'm gonna do this for three months, six months, whatever. And there are some things that we ask people to do for short term, right? Like there are sometimes we ask people to cut out certain food groups for a short-term thing, but most of what we ask you to do, like we're asking you to commit to doing some of these daily practices for life because they're just what you need to do to be healthy.
SPEAKER_01Right. There's going to be variables that we have to play with in the diagnostic phase, right? We have to identify what are the things that are gonna move the dial or that are gonna are gonna get some momentum, right, to get you going in the right direction. So that could include tracking for a period of time, that could include removing inflammatory foods for a period of time, it could be using uh hormone therapy or something like that, right? It it still does not negate the fact that the lifestyle changes that we're putting in place are for the long term and then it has to be something that's sustainable for you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And that's again that that same negative connotation, right? Like if I'm viewing discipline as something that is temporary, right? That I'm putting in place for a period of time and I can't wait to get to the end of it, then how is it going to help me long term? Because I'm going to want to rebel against it as opposed to embrace that process.
SPEAKER_00I think that's what I all I think when it comes to discipline, that is that's it. You have to embrace the process. Like, and if you're not willing to embrace it and you're viewing it as the sucks, and when can I stop doing this? And I don't want to do this, and this is like discipline towards turns into punishment when you're viewing it negatively.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah, 100%. And it's like, what are the what are the most common things that come up, right? It's like nothing's nothing's working, right? Nothing's gonna work or nothing's gonna change this. It's like, okay, what if we could contest that and say, like, well, what is working right now? Like what feels a little bit better than it did beforehand, right? And can we focus on what we can do versus what we can't do or what is working versus what isn't working? We want to shift toward the negative, but again, we have to start to look for evidence that this container is the why behind it and that it is something that's supportive and that's getting us to the version of ourself that we're seeking, or getting us to the outcome that we're seeking, as opposed to taking us away from something that we're viewing as um as pivotal or like again pulling us away from that pleasure, quote unquote.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And I like that brings it up again, too, is like if you don't think that whatever you're doing is going to work for you, then you're viewing it negatively, and so that discipline is gonna feel like punishment. Because how many times have we seen like ladies not believe in the process and they don't get results because they don't trust what we're telling them to do? Because it like your mind just plays such powerful powerful things on you. So if you're viewing this sucks, but also like this isn't going to work, it's not gonna work.
Care-Based Discipline Beats Self-Criticism
SPEAKER_01Well, it's also because your your brain is literally going to always seek out evidence that supports the story that's running in the background, right? And so if the story that's running in my background is that I'm resisting this, that discipline doesn't feel good, that this isn't going to work because it doesn't feel good, or because I don't like it, or because I'm not seeing an immediate change from it, right? If I'm saying I have to see if the evidence that we're looking for is wrong, essentially, right? If I'm saying I have to see this evidence, and this is the only evidence that will quantify that this this container is worth it, right? Versus, can I be open to collecting any other evidence that anything is working in my favor? And the goal of that not is to is not to romanticize it, right? It's not to um pretend that something is valuable that I don't find inherently valuable. So for example, with like your Bible study, right? It's not to say, like, well, I am not getting a tangible outcome, but I'm I'm going to view it in a different way that doesn't align with this feeling that I'm having. That's not the case because I call that, you know, sending off your bullshit meter. It's a matter of, can I be open to the possibility that there are positive outcomes that are coming from this container because I can use that to build momentum. I can allow that to empower me to take further action to get closer to what I want or to enjoy the process, right? If we could just be open to enjoying the process, it could be so much more beneficial for us, even if I can't convince myself that I like it, which I would be willing to bet that if you gave it some time over time as you started to see the benefit that you would, right? Because then you get the context to compare it to the before of how you felt. But it's also like, can I just be open to recognizing that it is doing me a favor, that it is supportive for me?
SPEAKER_00And I think like going back to like me and my Bible reading journey, you also have to find the tools that help you be successful with your goals, right? So, like I a few months ago was like, I'm gonna read my Bible every day. Good grief. Like, where do we even start? How long am I supposed to read it for? Like that like was not a smart goal at all, right? Um like I had to go out and like actually seek and purchase a subscription that literally tells me what to read and has me like write down stuff that I got from it so that I will actually like pay attention to what I'm reading.
SPEAKER_01But that's an example where you met yourself where you are.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like you have to find tools and find stuff that can help get you to that goal that you're looking for.
SPEAKER_01Right. And if you were comparing yourself to someone else who, you know, does their daily Bible reading every day, no problem, and they're super devoted to it, and like they're, you know, they're um preaching all this meaning about what they're getting from it, and they don't use any tools to do it that you know of, right? Because they're not talking about that piece, then you're gonna easily say, like, well, why is it so hard for me?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Why am I having so much trouble with this? And that's bad, or it's not normal, or you know, all that comparison comes in. And it's like, no, just be honest with what you need.
SPEAKER_00But I can even see where the comparison stuff comes in. So essentially, like, Matt is super good. Like, he'll read his Bible every day, like he sends me Bible stuff, he watches church on YouTube all the time. Like, I tried to sit down and watch YouTube church with him for an hour this Sunday, and I thought I was gonna like crawl out of my skin. But that's where that like self-comparison, I'm like, gosh, like he's being a way better like Christian than I am, and like doing all this stuff, and I can barely, I can barely spend 10 minutes a day like reading my Bible, but you can't so for you ladies, you cannot get caught up in comparing what you're doing to what I'm doing, yeah, or what any other woman is doing in their in their own individual journey, right?
SPEAKER_01Because the thing is, is comparing yourself to Matt's uh dedication of the time that he puts into it, is that making you want to put any more time into yours? Or is it just highlighting what you're not doing, right? It's not helping you. So it's when those thought patterns come up, recognizing it and saying, like, okay, is that helping me? Or can I seek the thing that is going to help me a little bit more? Can I look for a tool? Can I look for a facilitation? Can I look for a mentor, right? Like, what is the thing that's actually going to help me and meet me where I am and my needs for my own journey? Because me comparing myself to the other one isn't making me feel any better about her, isn't surely isn't making me want to do it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And so, like for some of you women, that's why we're like, you're not working out at home by yourself. Like, go join a gym. Okay, you're not making yourself go to the gym. Go join a class. Like, like, so if you look at exercise, I'm gonna start working out every day. Okay, do you have a plan that you're gonna follow? Like, what time of day are you gonna do it? Because that's like me saying I'm gonna read my Bible every day. Okay, well, next step is okay, I have a plan, right? No one's holding me accountable to it. Your exercise plan, like we put you in an app, we gave you a plan, your coach is holding you accountable to it, but they're not there with you. Like, you're not physically meeting your coach to do that. So, like for me, okay, next step, like I need to join a Bible study, so I actually have to like show up and do this, right? You need to join a class where you actually physically have to go meet your friend, or you you're you need to go meet your friend daily at the park, yeah, to like actually do the thing.
SPEAKER_01So because that's the container that feels most supportive for you in your own.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there's lots of there's lots of levers, and you have to know like I can't do this on my own. Here's the next step of this.
Physiology: Stress, Cortisol, and Burnout
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So uh basically what I want in in reflecting about this, right, ladies, as as you're thinking about this concept, is where are you conflating discipline with criticism? Right. And then what is one care-based adjustment that you can make this week that will protect what matters to you or what feels supportive for you toward the goal or the outcome that you're seeking? Right. If you were to, and this is almost like a a little bit of a reparenting exercise too, right? Think about how you discipline your children. Do we not get a better outcome when we discipline from a place of care when we explain the intention when we are supportive in it versus the just because I said so? And yelling at them and yeah, or criticism worse, worse is like criticizing them about it, right? Why would you do that? That's so stupid. Is that going to get you the outcome that you want? No, but we do it to ourselves all the time. So we have to start to shift that perspective, create awareness around it when it comes up, and then start to shift it for yourself and ask yourself: is this coming from a place of criticism or care? Is this a supportive container? And what does this look like as far as how I'm viewing discipline?
SPEAKER_00This is a good topic, Lake.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. All right, ladies. Well, thank you so much for tuning in today. If this hit a mark for you, if it's something that uh you're interested in or something that you feel like you need help with, please feel free to reach out to us. Please rate and review the podcast. It would mean the world to us. We'd really appreciate it. And your feedback means a lot. And please follow us along online.
SPEAKER_00And next week we're gonna talk about breaking up with escape.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, that'll be a fun one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I feel like it's needed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for sure. That one's always right.
SPEAKER_00Violet.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.