21 Pounds Down With My Client Kathy, Breaking Old Patterns & Creating New Ones

You are going to love hearing Kathy share her experience of what it is like to be in my group coaching program!

Kathy shares her past struggles with food and giving up at the first sign of failure; she talks about how she has lost 21 pounds WITHOUT eating perfectly.

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Music. Welcome to Modern body, modern life, the podcast for women who want to lose weight permanently, feel in control around food and learn how to stop obsessing about their body and food, a modern way of thinking about your weight, your body and your life includes mindset. I'm body and life coach, Courtney Gray, and each week I'm going to teach you the mindset tools that are necessary for changing the way you eat forever. We will uncover why you're eating when you said you were going to stop, what to do when you're really craving something, and how important it is to decide what you want to believe is possible for you. I believe we can get in the best shape of our lives at any age, a modern body, a modern life, all starts in your mind, and when you learn how to manage that, losing weight permanently becomes so much easier. Welcome to the podcast. Episode 66 It is a special one for you today, because I've invited another one of my beautiful clients onto the podcast to share her experience working with me in my group coaching program. This is Kathy. This is another Kathy. I had another Kathy on the podcast as well, but this is a new Kathy, and she is going to talk to you about what she had struggled with, why she joined the program. She's going to talk about the 21 pounds she lost. She's going to talk about how she's feeling now that she has completed the program, and I think she has four or five more pounds she wants to lose, so how she's feeling about that, and really the trance, you're gonna hear the transformation that happened with not only her body, her eating, but like her mental as well. And that's what we want, right? We don't just want to lose weight. We want to feel and control around our food. And so the audio is not my best. It turns out that we recorded the whole podcast, and I did not have my mic on, so I the audio is not the best, but you will still love this podcast, because it's just a great conversation. And please know this is the last few days that you can enroll for my March group. Deadline to enroll is the 27th of February, so you have just a few days left to join me in my March small group coaching program. Take a minute and think where you want to be in three months. Do you want to feel like you have fixed this area of your life for good? So it's not just weight loss. It's you feeling in control around food. It's you feeling like you understand how to fall off the wagon and get back in the wagon, because that is going to happen. So I would love to invite you to join my small group coaching program. Of course, there is a link in the show notes. Or you can head to Courtney, great coaching.com/work with me. Or you can hit me up on Instagram and just say, Hey girl, send me the link. I'm ready to join enjoy this podcast with my client, Kathy, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. I'm really excited to be here. Oh, I'm excited to have you. I'm excited to get to spend more time with you. Yeah, same. Okay, so just start by telling us, like, a little bit about yourself, like how old you are, what you do for work, what season of life you're in, all of the things. Okay, well, I just turned 64 few weeks ago, and I am married. I have two adult children, a son and a daughter. I'm very proud of them. I'm a pediatric nurse, and I've been working in the same department for over 30 years. I really enjoy working with patients and families. I work with a great team. I am getting closer to retirement, but because I like my work so much, I'm moving towards it pretty slowly. Don't have a timeline, just starting to think about what that phase of my life might look like. I love hearing that you love your work so much. And in our group that we had, there were many women that still really love their work so much. And we talked a lot. I'll share with the listener. We talked a lot in the group about, like, what's it look like as you get to that point where you're getting ready to retire and figuring out what you're going to do with the next chapter? Didn't we have quite a few conversations about that? We did. We did, and it was very helpful, because I'm sure we'll talk about this. But a lot of the tools that we use to kind of get our minds wrapped around how we want to approach eating work for all these other things, including how we want to approach life in general and the future. So it's all, it's all been great. How much weight did you want to lose? And like, why was it important to you enough to join the group? Yeah. Well, you know when I first, when you first asked me how much I wanted to lose, I said 10 pounds, maybe 15. But I'd have be happy with 10. I've actually lost 21 pounds. Oh, my God, I didn't know that that's Yeah, yeah. And I, I'm still going, I've got about four more ago, and then I'll be at what. All of the charts say is normal range for my height and bone structure. Yeah, so I but I never would have said that in the beginning, because I really didn't think I could do that. So so now I'm a believer, but in the beginning, I didn't, I didn't think I could. I'm so glad you shared that, Kathy, because I hear that time and time again. In fact, now when I talk to someone in the very beginning, if they say, I want to lose 20 pounds, in my head, I go at 30, because that's what it is, is we're like, usually it comes from, like, bare minimum, I just want to lose this much. So that's so cool. And, yeah, yeah. And, and it was, it was really eye opening to me. I was hoping it would work, but I just didn't really believe it, until I got in and started seeing it happen, and then all of a sudden, I was like, Oh my gosh, look what I can do. So yeah, how has this been different for you? Like, because I know that you have done things before, and I know you, you know, because you're, if I'm remembering, right, you're a runner, yes, right? So you run, you obviously are athletic, and you know how to eat well, and all of that you have the education behind you. Why? Why did this work for you this time? Um, well, you know, in the past, my weight would creep up a little bit, and I would do this four week diet that I had found, and I would get it off, but I, you know, would, I would eventually gain it back, sometimes faster than others. And honestly, I just was kind of a cycle over and over. And then I I transitioned from my working at the bedside and actually caring for patients to a different role in the same department, where I'm at a desk more. And at the same time, I ended up having kind of a minor injury, but it's one that takes a long time to recover from. And so I had to stop running. And so I was becoming less active. I was sitting more. And even though I ate relatively healthy at my meals, I snacked a lot. You know, I was watching TV. I was eating, you know, the break rooms notorious for treats, and I would, you know, myself to those and so my weight was creeping up, and it was actually getting to a point that it was higher than it had ever been, and I didn't really know what to do, because my four week plan just wasn't doing it anymore. I would do it for two or three days, and then I'd give up, I think, because I knew it wasn't going to work long time. That's the thing, too. We've got so many people say my diet doesn't work anymore, and I'm like, I know because it's because, you know you're eventually going to gain it back. There's subconsciously, you're like, why am I doing this exactly, exactly? And you know, because it was pretty restrictive, and so it was no fun to do it. And if you do it, you know it's not really going to work anyway. I just knew I had to do something different. And about that time, I don't know how I found your podcast, but I stumbled across it somehow, and started listening, and it was clearly a different approach to weight loss, and it made sense to me that I needed to change my approach. So I felt like this should work. It ought to work. I just didn't know if I had it in me to do it. I just didn't know if I could do what it was going to require of me to change the way I was thinking and to change my behavior, basically, to be successful. And so that's why I was, like, 10 pounds, you know, would be great, yeah. What was it? Because so many women, I think, have that thought is they're like, I'm sure your program is great. Because when I do a consultation sometimes with people, all say, you know, and if they're like, I'm having reservations, I'll say, why is it me? Is it the program? Is it you? And almost always, they say it's them. They could be people facing me, but I think a lot of people are, I think that they are saying, No, I know me, and I know that I'm going to, you know, fail or I'm going to give up. I get that, get that, yeah, yeah, because that's what I've done all these years. You know, even in college, when I gained the freshman 10 or 20 or whatever it was, I mean, I lost it, but then I gained it back. And, you know, it's just over and over from 30 years ago, just doing it and and failing and doing it failing. And so that's why I just felt like this is and this is requiring me to change my behavior, which is always something that seems hard to do, but the tools that you gave us have really made it possible, and little by little, not not drastic changes, but little changes by little, changes in building those habits. So all of that has worked really well together to where now I feel like, I'm sorry the program's over, because I'm going to miss talking with you every week, but I feel totally prepared to go out and maintain and get on with the rest of my life. That's so awesome. And that's what I was just going to ask you, is, do you feel like, oh, no, I've got this because that's your energy. Your energy is very I've got this energy. Yeah, no, I do feel like I do. You know, you've taught us a lot of different tools that we can use, like the thought model and, you know, doing a thought download and and just different things. And the thing that was nice about being part of the group, I mean, you talked about those on the podcast, but when I was in the group, we actually got to practice them over and over. I remember one time you helped me with the thought model, because I was at work, and. And I started eating all the snacks that I had in my drawer for nights that I had to work late. And then I was really annoyed with myself for doing that, so I just gave up, and I went rogue, and I went home and just skipped dinner and ate whatever the heck I wanted. And so we did the thought model to figure out what was going on, and figured out that it was just some minor things that had happened that day, and I was kind of annoyed, and that's all that it took to trigger it, you know, then my promoted brain was saying, Oh, you need a treat. And I was like, Oh, yeah. And so when we went through the thought model and I could see how that all evolved, it made a lot of sense. And so then the next time something like that came up, I was like, okay, hold on, and I could just address it a little bit better. And I don't every time, sometimes I still mess up, but I'm more on to myself than I used to be in the past. I just felt like I was carried along by my primitive brain, and I had no concept of what was happening. Well, you just painted that vision so beautifully. And what I love about that is, it's like you had that moment and many other moments in the program where you came to a call and you're like, Ugh, I did good, except for this moment. And so you're losing 21 pounds, but you're still a normal human being that gets frustrated and overeat snacks. That's the beauty of this. Is like for many people, what they will do is they have a moment where they overeat snacks, and then they just get the buckets, and then they just derail, Mm, hmm, yeah, which was always my pattern in the past. And then I would be, you know, really upset with myself. And the thing was, I mean, we went through that thought model, but other people would bring different situations to the group, and then I got to hear the thought model used for those situations. So even though I wasn't necessarily the one bringing in each time, I felt like I got a lot of practice at how to put it together and how to help me reframe something so that I could be more successful. And so did you enjoy the other because I think, I mean the women in my groups, I think are just amazing women. Did you enjoy them as much as I enjoyed them? I did. I did, and it was, you know, everybody comes from a different background, different problems, issues that they deal with, but at the same time, a lot of things are the same across the board. And, you know, I was thinking about, you know, before I was in the program, that I felt like I was thinking about food and my weight and my diet and how I looked all the time. It just was always there. And I would, I would honestly think, what is wrong with me? Everybody else is not thinking like this, you know, they're not worried about it. They're just enjoying themselves. And then I get in the group and I realize, oh, other people do worry about this. They're just not talking about it. And so the group was kind of a safe place to talk about it and also to see that you're not alone and that other people are having the same struggles, and there's something we can do about it. And so we were all working our way through it together and being successful. I remember one person was talking about something she was going through, and I told her, I'm right there with you, girl, because I felt the same way about what she was describing, yeah, yeah. And I You were always so vulnerable in the group, too. And I think that there's a lot of power in admitting, you know, yes, we do think about food a lot. It's, it's almost like we're not supposed to. In fact, I heard, I don't know if I talked about this on the hot podcast, but I was on Instagram, you know, and I saw Oprah, who I absolutely adore, and she was talking about like she was talking about the fact that she's on one of the weight loss drugs and and she was saying that she has so much clarity. And she goes, I didn't realize that all the people out there that are thin, she said something like this, I'm paraphrasing. She goes, I didn't realize that the people that are thin, that don't struggle with their weight, they don't think about food. And I thought, Oh no, that's so not true. It's just not true. There's so many people that would that have been struggling for 30 years with 10 pounds, with 15 pounds, yeah, because, you know, even if I lost 10 pounds using my four week plan, I was still thinking about it, because I was like, Can I eat this? Is it okay to have this? Or am I going to put it back on? And, you know, I did eat that now, are my clothes a little tight? You know, are people noticing that I've put on five pounds? I mean, just constantly thinking about it, and it just sucks the joy out of life. It does, doesn't it make you go, Oh, my God, now I have so much more brain space to actually think about other things. Yes, exactly. I feel like I don't have to worry about that. I mean, I think about it some, you know, I'm planning what I'm going to eat today, and, you know, if I'm going to, you know, have something at a party or whatever, but I don't have to obsess about it, and I don't have to worry about, you know, how my clothes are fitting and all of that, I feel much more confident. And then I'm able to just enjoy the people and enjoy the events of the party or the evening or the meeting, and it is very freeing. So historically, what were your struggles with weight and eating and follow through and all that? Like, where, where were your hardest parts of it? I think the biggest thing for me was the snacking. A lot of it was habitual. And you know the things when I go to the grocery store? Well, these are the things. Things I buy, and when we sit down to watch a movie, we have snacks, you know. Whenever we have people over, we get out all the things, plus also just kind of grazing throughout the day. Oh, I'm a little hungry. I'll have a handful of nuts, you know. So it wasn't necessarily unhealthy, but overall it was probably way more food than I needed. So just kind of learning how to be a little bit more intentional about when I eat and what I eat, and the fact that it's it's okay to have treats and snacks. I just need to plan for it. Okay? I'm gonna have a big dinner tonight because we're going here. So maybe I'll have a lighter lunch, that kind of thing. More intentional. You gave me some great feedback one time when you and it was just you and I on a call talking, and you gave me some great feedback about how even though you loved the podcast and you were excited to join the group, even before it started, you were like, I really don't know what to expect. So Did anything surprise you? I think one of the things which I mentioned was that to realize how many other people you know really were thinking about it the same way that I was, and to realize that I'm normal, that this is, this is not unique to me, and that, you know, there is, there is something I can do about it, and the fact that there's just different tools available that are not complicated. They're just something you need to get used to using to get yourself into the frame of mind that you want to be in, and that we do have control over that. I think learning that I have a lot more control over what I'm thinking was huge. Because you kind of tend to think, well, you think that your thoughts are what your thoughts are, you know. And sometimes it's easy to feel kind of victim me, you know, like, you know, I just can't do it. I've tried everything, all of that, and to realize, well, I'm telling myself that that isn't necessarily true. That's what some of those tools helped me learn, and I think helped our whole group learn. And then as we would talk about it and discuss it, it just reinforced it even more so then you when you're not on the call and you're out, you know, living your life, you start to realize, oh, that's where I can use this. And I remember you talked about the thought download, and we, you know, talked about it in the group and everything, but I didn't ever really do it. And then something came up. I don't remember what it was, and I was just like, oh my gosh, I don't even know what I'm thinking. And so I just started writing down a thought, download everything I could think about it, and as I was writing, it started to get more organized and come together. And then I was able to think, Okay, so here's what I think's going on, and just kind of walk myself through it. And I felt really good about the fact that I was able to finally use that tool and that it actually did exactly what it was supposed to do. And every time that happened, it just made me feel more and more like, Okay, now I've got more in my arsenal that when I go out there, I'm going to be okay. That's so awesome, because it's hard sometimes in the moment when you're going through it, if you're overwhelmed, you have a lot of emotions. It's almost kind of like the last thing you want to do is do a thought download. And for everyone listening a thought download is something I teach in my program, and I give step by step instructions. It allows you to coach yourself and see what's real, what's what are thoughts and what are facts. And it is tough, because in the moment when you really need it the most, it's the last thing you want to do. But if you can get yourself to do it, you really can get to peace and clarity pretty quickly, and then that builds evidence that in the future, you can do that again, and you'll know, okay, I'm really pissed right now, or I'm really frustrated or I'm overwhelmed, but I know if I do this, I will get a little bit of clarity, or I'll get a little bit of peace, yeah. And I think, you know, when we talk about the tools, I mean, that is a tool. It is not hard to do. I mean, it's not because when you sometimes you think, Oh, I've got to learn these complicated things. The tools are very easy to use. And this is one. It's basically sit down and start writing, yeah, exactly yeah. And because it was a few months into the program, right, that you had Yeah. And I think I had a weekend that I just completely went off the rails, and I just didn't know how to get myself back on track, and it was still a few days before we were going to have our call. And I was like, I gotta get this together. And so I just sat down and started writing about whatever came into my head, and, like I said, it just started forming into a more cohesive narrative that I could say, oh, okay, now let's take a look at this, and how do I want to think about this, and I got myself back on track. And I that was such a relief to me to be back on track. And I just was so thankful that I had that tool, even though I hadn't used it before. It worked great. And it applies to every area of your life. So tell me like you've lost 2021 pounds. Did you say 20 or 2121 21 yes, I love it. We'll take that one it's a big deal. It is, it is. So you lost 21 pounds. But How has being in the program? I'm going to ask you a question, but I want to specify this first. I really believe that this is so much more than weight loss. It affects every area. So yes, 21 pounds, so exciting. But how is it like? What. You learned. How have you taken it to other areas of your life? I think just trying to apply those tools in other areas. Like I remember one time I was going in to give a presentation, and I was kind of anxious about it, because they always partner you with somebody. And I just decided to do a thought model, and I was like, Okay, how do I want to feel about this? I'm anxious because I don't know who they're going to partner me with, and it's going to make me, you know, just be have a bad day. Then I decided I wanted to be calm, and so I started giving myself reasons why I should be calm, and it just really worked, just to calm me down before that presentation. And I really by the time I drove into the parking lot, I was feeling so much better about everything, and just knowing that I can decide on a goal, whatever that is. I mean, I decided on a waste goal, and then I kept changing it to go further. But I can decide on any goal and I can do what I need to do to make it happen if that's if that's really what I want to do. And so, like I decided that I wanted to be making more social connections, because most of my friends are at work, and as I retired, that's not going to be available to me anymore. And so I decided I needed to start reaching out to other groups that I have friends with. We just don't get together as often and and I usually don't. I'll see people will say hi, we'll chat, we'll say we should get coffee, and then I just never reach out. So I started doing that, and the more I do it, the easier it gets. But I knew that it was hard at first. Yeah, it was hard at first, but I just knew that I thought about it, and I think I even did a thought model, and I realized that other people probably feel the same way, right? And I think we had a discussion at one of the group calls, and somebody was talking about something similar, and she was talking about the same thing. You know, it's just kind of hard to reach out to people, because you don't know if they say no, it seems like it's a reflection on you, and it might just be that they can't, but it feels personal. But anyway, I started doing it, and now I've got, you know, multiple things on the horizon, on my calendar, you know, people that I'm reaching out with, too and connecting with and and the good thing about that is that that's going to help me, you know, in my retirement, to keep a healthy social life going, and potentially, you know, make some new connections that can help me find another area of interest that's something else that I'd like to do during retirement. So there's just been a lot of ways that those tools, when applied to other areas, they just kind of open up all kinds of possibilities. Yeah, I love that. And so what I want everyone to hear is like, you were willing to feel discomfort in order to create some changes. And so this was, I think you did this work. You decided to connect with more people. When we did, she was so Cathy joined my first group, modern body, modern life, and then she joined my advanced group. And in the advanced group, one of the things we do is we go through kind of the life wheel, and we decide, look at our whole life and decide, what other areas do you want to put more time and energy in to have an a more amazing, up level life? And so she decided, you know, she just wants more social connections. And so you were willing to feel like some of the insecurity that comes up when you think about it's almost like you're asking someone to be friends, right? It is, and there's a narrative in society. I've heard many people say this. Well, you know how it is when you're older, it's just hard to make friends. And I'm like that. I can see why people think that, but that is only true if we're not willing to be like I think I'm actually going to reach out and say, Hey, we keep talking. I think getting coffee. I really want to do that and be vulnerable and put yourself out there and look at all the good that came of it. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's funny, because I always used to tell my kids when they were young, if you have a question, you just raise your hand and ask. It doesn't matter if no one else does, because if you have that question, I guarantee you five other people in the room have the same question, and they realize when they raise their hand and ask a question, other people would be nodding their heads and saying, yeah. I was wondering about that too, but nobody too, but nobody wanted to be the first to raise their hand. And I think it's the same with with these kinds of things, that a lot of times, whatever it is we want to do, if we just do it, then we're going to find that it's not as bad as we thought, that it's actually goes well. If it doesn't, well, you know, sometimes things won't but you know, most of the time it's going to work out just fine. And like, I think I said to you once you know, some people might not be receptive, and you told me, Well, those just aren't your people. Yep, totally. And there's always people there aren't other people, and you have to, but if you're not willing to, like, reach out to people, you're not going to find who your people really are. It's almost like we fail ahead of time, right, right? And then we, we miss all the opportunity that was there as well. Yeah. So good, yeah. So what do you feel like is next for you? That's kind of a big question for what you is. And I, I know that, you know, when we did the whale of life and looked at all the things, I had a lot of goals that, you know, things that I want. To work on. And I think I told you, a few weeks ago, I decided I was trying to work on too many things, so I just needed to focus on two or three to begin with, and then, and then go on. And of course, number one is that I'm going to reach my weight one, I think that's not far away. The other one is that I wanted to start scrolling less. I don't want to stop scrolling, but I would like to just be a little bit more intentional about it, and not just turn to my phone, because I do think that you miss a lot of opportunities to connect with people if everybody's got their head in their phone and so somebody's gotta look up first. So I want to be scrolling less, yeah, and so I just done a couple small things to help myself get started with that, and then the reaching out, making more social connections, which that part's going well. And then I'm also just kind of starting to explore some different things that might be available as I retire. When I retire, I don't know when that'll be, but just kind of looking at what things are available in the community, what other people are doing, talking to people who are retired, and seeing, you know, what's working, what's not working, and I and I'm really glad that I was part of this group, and it got me thinking about these things and realizing that I actually have some control over what's going to happen when I retire, if I just start making plans, instead of just getting there retiring and then being like, now what? Yeah. So, yeah. So I feel like I've got a lot of other goals that, you know, I'll get to, but these are the ones I'm starting with. So good. I think they're great. What mindset shifts have you had, if you had to pick a few? Do you have any like, are you thinking differently about anything that you that changed by being in the group? A couple of things. One is that I don't get upset with myself when I don't follow through. You used to I did, yeah, and you know, and not only would I get upset with myself and just be frustrated or discouraged or whatever, but I would also just throw in the towel for an extended period of time and and so I don't anymore. What I've learned is to just get curious and to start trying to investigate, okay, what was going on? Why did that happen? What can I learn from it and then be better prepared the next time? But I I remember one time, I think even on your podcast, you said, you know, what would your future self say? What would you say if it was your daughter? And I said, my daughter all the time, you're doing great, you know, but I wasn't saying that to me, and that was that was a big one for me to just learn to okay, just settle down, you know, be curious. Don't be so nice to ourselves, right? Yeah, yeah, we aren't very nice to ourselves compared to the way we treat everyone else. And so that was a big shift for me. And then the other thing, I think, was just the self concept. I hadn't really realized that a lot of the feelings that I was having of just being discouraged and I can't do this and what's wrong with me, those were things I was telling myself, you know, that there was something wrong with me, that I couldn't do this, that I was failing, that I wasn't going to be successful the next time either all of that, that was me telling myself that, and I just didn't understand that. And so understanding, you know, what we say to ourself and how and that, I can decide what my self concept is. I can decide that I do have control, and I can do this, that was a game changer, really a game changer, and it not only helped me do better, but it helped me feel better. You know, you just feel better about yourself, and you feel like, okay, yeah, I messed up on that, but I'm doing great in the big scheme of things. You know, maybe I haven't hit my goal just yet, but I am on my way, and I'm going to get there, and that's my self concept. Now I know that I will get there. I don't have any doubts about it. So good. It's such a great self concept to be taking into this. I know you're not retired yet, but I know you're thinking about it, but this new chapter of your life, because I think a lot of people, they the reason why I think we talked so much as a group about retirement was what and first of all, there were so many women that were kind of getting close to it. Close to it, but I think a lot of women fear it. They feel like they literally don't know what to do with themselves. They they enjoy their work. They get a lot of their self concept from the fact that they're successful at their job and all these good things. And for a lot of people, they end up retiring. And then it's this idea in society that it's supposed to be amazing because you don't have to work anymore. And I think a lot of people kind of tank, yeah, because you do find you feel like you're contributing, that you have some value. And if you're not contributing in that way anymore, then if you don't have something else to kind of start focusing on, then it would be easy to just feel like, well, I'm not important. Yeah, I would have one other question for you about the and I didn't tell you I was going to ask you this, but about the three step process. Yes, you feel like it has helped you. Do you feel like you have gotten good at it? Do you feel like it's one of the processes that has helped you? The three step process was challenged. Challenging for me at times. I think there were a lot of times when I would think, Oh, I'm hungry. I want that and and I would tell myself the three step process, I know you want that, and just kind of sit with it, but it's not that long till dinner. I can wait. That kind of thing. Sometimes I would just go rogue, and I'd say, I know I should do the three step process, but I don't care. I'm not going to do it and I'm going to eat this cookie or whatever, but then I could use one of the other models and think about it. And so as time has gone on, I have gotten better to where I'm able to use it more often, and to realize, yeah, I would like, like, just even last night, I really wanted to eat a piece of chocolate before I went to bed. I'm not really sure why, but I do like chocolate, and I put it in my lunch a lot of days, which is great that I can do that, because it's not a diet, right? Totally. But I It wasn't on my plan yesterday. I knew I wouldn't sleep good if I had it, but I really wanted it, and I just thought, Okay, three step process. Here we go. And I went to bed without it, and I felt so good about it when I got up this morning that, yeah, you can do this. You know, you don't have to be at the mercy of your primitive brain. You've got Well, thank you for sharing. I thank you for sharing that you had a win with it last night, but that you also struggled with it because, again, you have lost 21 pounds, and you feel like this weight loss is permanent. You feel so good. But I love when people are honest, like, this is not a perfect process. This is not an easy process, that you're like, Oh, I've got this. It takes practice. There is failure. You're figuring things out, and look what can come out of it. It's pretty brilliant, yeah, and you know it's true. I remember you said, sometimes people want to say, Oh, it's fine. It's fine. That was me, yeah, if I was I was off this weekend, off track, but, but it's fine. It's fine. But then when I would actually say, Okay, well, this is what happened, and we'd talk it through, I really would learn and get more out of it than if I had just brushed over it and didn't talk about it. So even though sometimes it's hard to say, Yeah, I didn't do what I was supposed to do. Even though I knew what I was supposed to do, I didn't do it. I just got so much more out of it. And so it became easier for me to say, Yeah, I messed up, because I messed up a lot. Yeah. We all do. We all do for sure. Yeah, yeah, your willingness to say I messed up and I'm going to keep going is what changed you Yeah, right. And it's been, it's been a great experience all around. Thank you. I've been, I've loved having you why? Tell me why you agreed to come on the podcast. I was excited to ask you. We've had so many great conversations, but like, tell me why you even did this for me. You know, it's like I said what I told my kids, raise your hand if you have a question. I think I was hesitant, but I just dove in. And I really would encourage anybody who's thinking about it, but thinking, Oh, I don't know, I don't know if I can do it, to just dive in and take a chance ask the questions. Know that other people feel the same way. I mean, God knows, other people feel the same way. That is one thing that I figured out doing this, and it's definitely something that any of us can do. You just have to get in, do the work, practice, fail, try again, learn, grow. Courtney is a great coach, and she can give you the tools. Anybody can succeed. If I can do this, anybody can do this. Well. Thank you, Kathy. Thank you, Kathy, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I know that so many people listen to the podcast. They really love hearing, you know, hearing my clients talk about their experiences, because each of what you say is a little bit different. You know, your experience is different than Jamie's, and you're different than Kim So I really, really appreciate you coming on and sharing your story. Well, I'm happy to do it. I am so thankful for everything that I've gained from this program, and I would encourage anybody to give it a shot. I mean, I It's a life changer. Thank you. All right, thank you for coming on and everyone. Have a great Tuesday. If you are ready to lose weight and keep it off permanently and feel confident and at peace around food. I invite you to head to Courtney Gray coaching.com to learn about how to work with me. I work with women privately, one on one, and I also offer small group coaching. There is a link to my website in the show notes you.