Journey to Well
We are not created to do this healing journey or life alone. In fact, it was Bessle Van Der Kolk who expertly shared “healing happens in the presence of an empathic witness”. That is the heart of this podcast & my business : to witness. You can expect a plethora of conversations on nervous system regulation, breathwork, human design & astrology, cycle alignment, energy & spirituality work and so much more. We are all on a journey back home to ourselves, rediscovering our innate power within & I am thrilled to take this journey to well with you. be well xx
Journey to Well
Wealthy & Well : Business Growth | Kat Cynewski Business & Mindset Coach
Ever wondered how to navigate life and business with a sense of ease and flow? Join me and Kat, a brilliant business mindset coach, as we uncover her incredible journey from personal hardship to transformation igniting with the power of yoga. Kat shares how embracing her unique purpose and passions helped her to heal and thrive, offering valuable insights for anyone looking to do the same. Together, we explore a path that challenges societal norms, advocating for success through alignment rather than the traditional hustle mentality.
Kat and I also tackle the art of growing a business as a solopreneur, where personal stories play a pivotal role in shaping one's coaching methods. We highlight the importance of understanding human design and how it can offer clarity and support in entrepreneurial endeavors. Our conversation touches on the challenges faced by those whose paths aren't easily understood by others and discusses the significance of identifying that elusive unique edge that propels success.
Finally, we delve into the courage it takes to pursue ambitious 10X goals, embracing the discomfort that comes with personal growth. Learn how surrounding yourself with successful individuals and investing in personal development can be transformative. This is your invitation to step into a journey of wealth, wellness, and wellbeing, as these elements intertwine seamlessly to enhance your entrepreneurial path.
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All right, welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
Speaker 1:I am very excited to have Kat on today.
Speaker 1:She's a business mindset coach and, from Maine actually just had to throw that out there, being in New Hampshire, I feel like everyone that I interview is always West, which actually would make sense because we're like the most East, but I very rarely get to interview anyone that's even in my area.
Speaker 1:So not that we're talking about Maine or New Hampshire at all, but I'm super excited to have a conversation with you today, kat. We're going to be talking about creating something that I talk a lot about, but from a completely different perspective or approach that I normally talk about it, which is creating your business and life with ease and creating more flow in your life and how you can do that. And then maybe we'll get a little bit into the money mindset, which I think also really plays a role in how we create a business with flow and ease. So I'm super excited to have you on today. One of my favorite things to do when I'm introing my podcast guests is turn the reins over to them and allow them to share who they are and what's important for you to share about yourself. So there's nothing specific that you have to share, but who is Kat?
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me on and for that little intro.
Speaker 2:Yes, fellow New Englander, I love that.
Speaker 2:I also have a podcast and I totally relate to you that it's a lot of times people from all over, but so it's always fun when you're like, yeah, we have that actual connection for area too.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so I am a coach for the hot, healthy and wealthy coaches and wellpreneurs who are scaling their business with, you know, big financial goals, but also with this idea of really wealth and wellness and wellbeing at the forefront. So when we're thinking about wealth, you know wealth in our growing as a whole person, a whole woman I work primarily with women and really the work that we do, the purpose that we're bringing to the world, how we're operating in our unique zone of geniuses and how that allows us to really flourish, as in our life, in our businesses, and then the money becomes almost a by-product of that and we are able to grow our money as well as our wealth and our wellbeing, and allowing that growth journey to be more easeful, Like really when we're in alignment, we find that ease, and so my story, I say, started a long time ago. You know, with with the intros, I'm always like Hmm, do we want the like one minute quick thing, or do we want the longer thing?
Speaker 1:But no, I was going to ask you to share your story, so you're perfect, okay, okay great.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, my story, I would say, started even back to you know, like high school and I'll, and in high school I had, you know, my parents got divorced when I was like 10. In high school I ended up living with my dad, with two brothers. He worked all the time, so we had a lot of alone time and, as teenagers do, we got into plenty of of trouble and, um, you know, I, looking back, we can see our past a lot more clearly from where we're at now. Right, and I can see now that there was a lot of a lot of healing that I needed to do. There was a lot of pain that was unprocessed and a lot of numbing, and I saw this core theme, um, for years, you know, towards the end of high school and college, in my early twenties, of a lot of numbing and for me that came to alcohol, like numbing through alcohol, drinking and partying a lot. Um, both of my brothers did my, it was, it was kind of the norm in my family. I like to say I'm definitely like a unicorn in my family and, um, a lot of my family, you know, parties and a lot of society, like, if we look at society, you know, drinking and partying is pretty glorified and, um, most people are, you know, overweight, chained to a desk. You know they're living like that is the majority, and so it was very rebellious for me to go down this path of healing and doing what lights me up and doing what I'm really passionate about.
Speaker 2:But when I was 22, my brother, who was my Irish twin, so to speak he was a year and a half younger than me ended up dying in a car accident and he had gone down a bad road of addiction and, you know, so it was. It was wrapped up. He had, you know, mental health, and so that obviously rocked me. We were extremely close and, of course, like I believe our stories as as women who are working in this path of our purpose and transformation which is a lot of who I work with like we have these defining moments in our life that made us operate and and decide to live our life in a certain way that might be really out of the box and different, and we're able to guide and teach through that. So this totally rocked me, but in many ways it's like one of the best things that ever happened to me, which is really weird to say, because obviously it's like I never would have wanted or wished for that to happen and it was absolutely terrible. But that catapulted me first into a lot deeper pain, a lot more numbing, for probably a year after.
Speaker 2:And then I stumbled into my first hot yoga class and I fell in love. I remember leaving and seeing a flyer on the um wall of like teacher training and I asked the instructor like Ooh, what's this about? You know like what? Like tell me more. And she's like, oh well, you, just, you know, this was your first class survived. Like you almost died. I think I had to leave the room like three times. And she's like you know, we require that students practice for at least six months, or at least a year or something like that, before jumping in. And I took that as a challenge. So, um, or at least a year or something like that before jumping in, and I took that as a challenge. So that really started to transform my healing process.
Speaker 2:So yoga was like the somatic journey for me, where I was really getting into my body, I was becoming quiet in my mind, I was tapping deeper into what I wanted out of life, and you know this was when I was 23. So I was still pretty young and still early on in my journey, but that allowed me to continue taking these small steps following what was lighting me up. So I, you know, did the corporate thing. I studied, I got a B, my BA, in psych, in psychology and college, largely because I was wanting to understand, like, why people do what they do, like how do they end up making the choices that they are and going down these different roads. And then I started working in sales and making money and was like, ooh, I like making money, I'm going to go down this road, like, let's hone in on the sales and business like management.
Speaker 2:So did the corporate thing climb the corporate ladder for several years into my mid twenties until I got to the point that I realized I was really living for this external validation of, I was worthy. When someone granted me, you know, a big promotion and I was like, yeah, I did that, you know, but it was nothing that I was passionate about. It was like I was operating in, you know, this zone of excellence but not my zone of genius. And if anyone's read like the big leap, or, uh, 10 X is easier than two X they talk a lot about these in some of um my favorite books. But you know, when we're operating in that zone of excellence, it's like I was pretty naturally good at sales and good at these things and I was climbing the corporate ladder but I was super unfulfilled and I was really anxious.
Speaker 2:I was still in this pattern of numbing. I was, you know, checking out, I was work just like in the grind, working a lot, and I got to this point where I took off on a yoga retreat like on a whim. I wouldn't take a lot of time off because I wanted to be the best employee, I wanted to show how hard I worked. And you know, I wanted to prove that I was worthy and that I was deserving of these jumps in my salary and everything like that. And I said you know what, I'm sick of eating like shit and sleeping like shit and numbing and like I need to go and dive into yoga.
Speaker 2:And I had gotten my yoga teacher training also when I was working corporate on nights and weekends and when I was on that retreat I found just so much space and clarity drop and I realized this is actually how I want to be living my life. I want to be waking up without stress, with ease, without dreading my day. I want to look forward to what I'm doing, who I'm communicating with. I want to be around other growth oriented people that are striving for excellent and doing really freaking cool things in the world and traveling and, you know, like living their best life and eating healthy food and doing yoga and progressing in my, you know, fitness and my mind and feeling good. And and I just remember, like that main word being space, like I needed space for clarity to come through about how I wanted to live my life. And I made the decision there of like I don't care how I get here, I don't care how I get there or what it's going to take, but I'm going to live my life like this.
Speaker 2:And I considered staying in Mexico, but I didn't. I came back. I still worked in corporate for several more years before I finally made the jump. I started a wellness events company. While I was working in corporate, I was living in Boston, working as an outside sales manager, traveling all around New England, and also started a wellness events company in Portland, maine, where I was from Maine, and so I was doing that nights and weekends, growing that, and then, in 2018, I said, I had this random poll to go to a advanced yoga teacher training in India and I had done like all these different yoga teacher trainings just nights and weekends, just because I was in love with it.
Speaker 2:And so, you know, absorbed in this process and had the poll, and knew nothing about this training in India, I think I saw it come up on like an ad on Instagram or Facebook or something like that, and I just felt like this really strong pull and I was like I have to do this. I don't, I just have to do this. And so I told my boss I remember having the conversation of like totally understand if I can't keep my job, but like I have this opportunity to go and I'm going to do it, and I'm going to India for a month. And you know, they said you just don't want to lose you, we'll figure it out. So I went again living the Yogi dream, waking up every day, like challenging myself, learning, growing, deepening my practice again around such incredible humans that were expanding you know how I saw life and just connecting on such a deeper level and that kind of reinforced like this is what I need to make, like I'm going to make this happen. And so, within eight months of getting back, I finally quit my job. This was 2018. I only quit my corporate job for good, never went back, and within six months, I led my first wellness festival, which had around 300 people at that first festival in Portland, maine, had around like 50 or 60 sponsors like pull that I was just like I just feel like I need to do this and I just jumped in and made it happen. And then I led my first international yoga retreat that same month to Cuba. Um, and I just kept pursuing this vision.
Speaker 2:By the time, uh, the end of 2019 rolled around, I had a lot of wellness entrepreneurs asking me like hey, how did you grow your following? I had grown a following of over 10,000 on my online platforms and social media and, um, people started saying how did you grow on social media? How did you grow your community? How'd you? You know, how are you selling out these events? Um, can you kind of like mentor me, basically unofficially.
Speaker 2:And I met my first business coach, which I didn't even understand. I didn't even know anything about the coaching world at this time. It was like never even heard of a coach and someone a mutual connection was like hey, this, like bad, has business coach that I think you'd love. She's been living in Bali and she's doing this like business event in Portland I have some free tickets I'd love to give you and like a couple of friends and free tickets and I was like, oh, cool, sounds great, like I'll check it out.
Speaker 2:And then, shortly after that, signed up for my first mastermind with this coach, even though it seemed crazy. Um, which was like a $20,000 investment and I had never even heard of coaching, never invested in myself or my business and and anywhere near that level, like I was a very like bootstrap, do it myself type. And then I was like, you know, I'm going to get support, I'm going to do the damn thing, I'm going to get this going. And, um, launched my first coaching offers. And then, you know, 2020 happened and I really leaned into that. Uh, naturally evolved into the coaching space and that's what I've been doing over the last five years expanding that. You know, obviously, everything that comes with that of growing and scaling an online business and how wellness entrepreneurs can really lean into growing their businesses in the online space and creating more ease and freedom in their lives through this process that I teach the wealthy and well method as well. So, yeah, that pretty much brings me to here.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that was the too long version that you were expecting, longer than the version that you were expecting, but that's that's where we are. Thank you for sharing. Now, I really love hearing your story and I love just stories in general, because, as we're talking about business growth, it's really important to hear where you came from and how you did it, and oftentimes I'm sure that we'll end up talking about this, but oftentimes we coach in what we have gone through or what we needed that we didn't have Um, so we coached from that like first perspective experience, that firsthand experience. So I love I have to point out a few things because I I totally forgot to mention I always share um my guests human design, because obviously, if you've listened to my podcast before or you know anything about me, you know a huge part of my business is human design. So cat is a two, four emotional manifesting generator and one of my favorite things and I feel like this is so nerdy, but this is just me One of my favorite things is listening to people talk and hearing the verbiage that they use and being like I bet that they're a blank, but for you I know.
Speaker 1:So, as I'm hearing you talk, you're using verbiage like what's following, what lights me up and also that four line of your profile is is the people person, and so I love the story that you the piece of your story that you shared of. I had a mutual friend share these free tickets with me for a business coach. I had no idea what it was and that was one of the very key, pivotal pieces of where your business is today and it's ever evolving and probably going to be somewhere new in 10 years from now. But where it is today, with the coaching aspect of it, is such a quintessential four line situation like the people person. It's not that they're extroverted or or anything like that. It's that our biggest growth opportunities tend to come through people that we know. So like maybe we meet our partner through a mutual friend or a blind date, or we get this big business opportunity through a mutual friend or someone that we know, so that tracks to everything.
Speaker 1:I love that Also, just like the manifesting generator in you of like, doing, you know yoga and doing the business, coaching, and the mindset, and anyway, so I had to throw that out there, the mindset, and anyway, so I had to throw that out there. Um, and the I love. I love that you shared your story and I'm curious why, hmm, what, how, how to phrase this question so a big part of your business is teaching entrepreneurs how. Actually, let's start with the how and then we'll we'll backtrack to the why. So, how, how do you grow a business with freedom and ease, especially when you are someone that's doing it all yourself?
Speaker 1:I posted this really like one of those funny reels on on my story this morning and it was like the birthday cake on fire, like the candles, and like the whole cake is on fire, I'm sure, and like the guy is trying to blow it out, and the caption is like, oh, just an entrepreneur trying to manage, you know, running their business, cleaning the house, doing the chores, taking care of the dog, responding to all the emails, and I did a whole thing on it. But I want to hear your perspective of like, how do we do this? Because it is quite foreign to a lot of people to even have the idea and begin to embody the idea of oh, I don't have to hustle all the time, this doesn't have to be hard, and yet I can still make the money that I want to be making.
Speaker 2:Yeah, such a good question, and this is something that's so deeply ingrained in us through society, through the school system, through how we're raised, that we have to like hustle grind. It's all about this external validation and, um, not really tapping into what is uniquely lighting us up, what we want to do, because oftentimes that unique zone of genius is crazy to like everyone else around you and they're not going to understand it because they're not supposed to, because it's your mission, it's your purpose, it wasn't given to them, and so a lot of times in the beginning of my journey, I struggled, and I think any entrepreneur can relate to this, because we'll have people in our lives. Unless maybe you grew up in a super entrepreneurial family, I didn't.
Speaker 1:My dad's like a.
Speaker 2:CPA CEO. Like you know very different operating um system and I remember you know him just being like this is insane, like what he's still like I don't understand what you do. Like, what do you do? Like I, I literally don't get it and I I think that you should just go get a corporate job. You know, like even now I'm like, oh my God, what? Like I'm waking way more than I ever made in corporate and I freaking love what I do and I have tons of time freedom and I'm like a full-time stay at home mom as well. Like this is amazing.
Speaker 2:Um, but the thing is, like people, you have to be okay with people not understanding you first off of like people not getting what it is that you're so pulled to do and what your deeper purpose and your life's mission and your life's work is, and that's like the number one way.
Speaker 2:Like starting out in my journey, all my clients would be like clarity, like you just helped me drop into such deeper clarity, clarity, clarity, clarity, clarity. And I'm thinking like it makes an and my framework's kind of shifted down, but it makes sense because clarity into like your unique edge, because that is what's going to make your growth feel more easeful and more aligned. Of course, there's more parts to that system. Like you mentioned support, I don't believe in this whole like do it all yourself, struggling solopreneur, like that's not a narrative I subscribe to because I have been there, I've done that. It's exhausting and I I made way less money doing that and I was way more stressed and I was on the verge of giving up many times. You know, because, although I had all this amazing momentum and everything looked like really good from the outside, I felt on the inside like, can I keep doing this?
Speaker 2:You know I don't feel like it's pouring into me. Although I love it and I'm passionate about it, it's just not sustainable and the model that I teach now is like how to build that sustainability. So the first thing is really finding your unique edge, like your unique angle, what you're really lit up about, and that takes some deep inner work and really digging deep into you know, tapping into deeper clarity and really understanding ourselves. So so much of this business growth journey is growth as a person. I always say, like entrepreneurship is the greatest initiation into personal development. Like you must grow as a woman, as a person, in this process. There's no way that you can't really like you have to. So it's as much about that as as it is about growing our business. But for more ease and alignment, that the first thing is really tapping into our unique edge and angle. And then it's about receiving support. You know it's about tapping into.
Speaker 2:There's a book that's called who, not how. So like who are you going? Who are the people that are going to support you to bring this massive vision to life and to reach these massive goals that you have for yourself? Not how are you going to do it, because if you knew how, you'd already do it right. You're not meant to know how to get to that next quantum leap, which is a, I know, trendy term, but it's easy. You know that big next step that you're about to take. You're not supposed to know how it's going to happen.
Speaker 2:You know you find the who's to leverage that are really excellent at some of the areas that you are not, that are not your zone of genius, so that you can spend more time in the zone of genius. In that 20% as we, you know, have maybe heard many times it's like it's the 20% that moves the needle, not the 80% of what we find ourselves doing. So I find, with a lot of my clients and a lot of entrepreneurs, if we get stuck in like so much of the busy work and like what we think is going to move the needle, maybe of like tinkering with the back end, trying out new systems, spending all this time like learning how to use ai or other tech, you know things that really are like time sucks. They're not actually getting us ahead on our goals, but they're just like taking our time.
Speaker 2:We're like fiddling with design when there are people where that is actually their purpose in the world and they freaking love it and they can do it so much quicker, with so much more ease, so much more proficiency, and then you know you can leverage that to grow, grow and meet, meet your goals. So it's like identifying what that unique zone of excellence is for you and operating in that more frequently and then outsourcing and hiring the help to get you to that next level. So I believe, like community you mentioned this plays into my human design as well, but I think for everyone like having a support system, being in a community of people that are operating at the level where they are striving for really big goals and they're not playing at like the societal norm level of is like oh, let's just like, fit in with what everyone else is doing and don't get like too, don't have your goals, get too big or else you're not gonna fit in with everyone else.
Speaker 2:And you know that whole system. We need to surround ourselves with other people that are playing at that bigger level and that that becomes our norm and that we start to regulate to that level, instead of, like, dipping down to more of like the norm of what people are doing and what society tells us. So your community, your support system, your operating in your zone of genius, clarifying and operating deeper in your zone of genius, clarifying and operating deeper in your zone of genius. And then, of course, we have so much like I love high ticket. I love like creating for the 20, the 10, 20% of clients who will actually, who are actually like the best fit match, the highest end clients for us.
Speaker 2:Instead of trying to please the 80% that like can't afford it or, you know, like don't prioritize it enough in their life or whatever all of these other reasons, like we're trying to convince the people that aren't a match to buy our things, instead of just focusing on the 10% of our community that are a match and that will make our business skyrocket.
Speaker 2:So those are some ways I mean I feel like I could talk for way too long about this, but those are some like core ways that I would say help bring in more ease and alignment. And, of course, it comes back to like the way that you're viewing your growth as well, the way that you're dropping into gratitude as well, the way that you're dropping into gratitude for what you've created, and getting in this loop and not getting in this loop of like more, more, more. I'm never at where I'm supposed to be, I'm never at where I, you know, expected to be, but like, wow, look at how much I've done, look at how far I've grown, like this is incredible. And then letting that compound, compound from good to great, great to extraordinary, and we allow that to continue to build and snowball.
Speaker 1:I love so much about this.
Speaker 1:I love the I'm going to ask you to talk a little bit more about and I haven't read the book, but I am assuming that the concept is what I'm, what I'm assuming uh, the 10 X versus two X, because really one thing that we're talking about is and like take a moment to think about this Everyone that's listening like take a moment to think about like something in your life that you have shifted where you don't even where you remember, like that, where that shift has been, don't even where you remember, like that, where that shift has been. So, for me, the example that I'm thinking of is is I surround myself with so much human design, so, like half of the people that I follow on social media, a lot of the podcasts that I'm listening to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:And then you come into a room with someone that doesn't know anything about human design and you're like oh, I didn't know that the rest of the world didn't know about human design. But like, in reality, such a small percentage of people know about human design.
Speaker 1:And so when we're surrounding ourselves, like you are, who you surround yourself with, we've like but there's, there's that quote, but like there's actual science behind it which is really cool, but when you surround yourself with where you want to go I assume is this is what you're saying then we're going to eventually become that, because I mean, there's just science behind that. So so talk a little bit about that. And then also that like 10 X versus two X in terms of growth, because I'm imagining a lot of my audience is listening Like and and if you're watching like, you see my hands, but and we're like here, we're on like level three. These are a lot of my clients too. We're on like level three, but we want to be at level five. Maybe we don't know how to get there, maybe we don't even know what level five looks like, but we certainly don't understand how to get there and what the most effective way to get there is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so um are you saying? You know like basically what, um can you just say that question one more time what um?
Speaker 1:can you just say that question one more time? So it's two things, I guess the. The first, the, the 10 X versus two X thing is what I have heard and what I imagine this book is about is like um, if you want to get to a six figure business, right, and you're at like a one figure you're very low, you're just starting out.
Speaker 2:Okay, you're one figure, one dollar.
Speaker 1:One of the approaches that I've heard is like go, like surround yourself with the six figure business owners instead. Of. Another approach that I've heard is surround yourself with people that just know a little bit more than you, and then you climb up that one step and then surround yourself with people more than you.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you for breaking that down. Um well, I like what you said about you know, like, just go one step more, cause that's a big principle, and and if you know anyone who wants the book, recommendation 10 X is, um, what? Oh God, of course. Now I just drew a blank on what the book is called. 10x is easier than 2X.
Speaker 1:Okay, where'd my brain?
Speaker 2:go 10X is easier than 2X by Dan Sullivan and Ben Hardy Such an excellent book. But, yeah, a core part of like going towards that 10X instead of 2X is, if we're thinking like 2X goals, then it's exactly what you're describing, like we're just going to inch forward and we're going to and forward. And what is the strategy for? Keep continuing to inch forward. But if we say, okay, what if we want a 10 X instead of having a goal of you know like, instead of our goal being a hundred thousand, what if our goal is a million a year, then your strategy is going to look a lot different. It has to because we can achieve, you know, these 10 X goals by doing more, because we only have so much time, so much, you know. That would be like nearly impossible in many ways. We can't, you know, and that's not like the strategy that I take, or even, you know, like a lot of what they talk about in that book as well. It's not. It's just not the best strategy If you want to go 10 X.
Speaker 2:Why it's easier is because, basically, what I was talking about before is you have to zero in to the things that actually matter instead of getting wrapped up in the 80% and you have to let go of that 80% and a lot like humans in general have a really hard time of letting go of things you know. So that's one of the biggest challenges is you have to you know if you're dropping back into. You know what you really want, what you're building, what's unique to you. That's a huge part of the process. And then it's like going after that without any need to explain to anyone why you want it or why you're going after it or why you're building it, but just sticking to that and being so committed to that before anything else. It really starts with you. Like you have to be committed to where you're going and and um, you have to be committed to that process first before anyone else. Can I say this even to coaching clients Like you can only meet clients as far as they're willing to meet themselves.
Speaker 2:You know, like, even if you're in a coaching container, like you have to believe in your mission and your movement and you have to believe in yourself to reach these goals that you have before anyone else. And then, when you come together in that energy of like, I see your highest vision, I see the 10X version of you and you see the 10X. Then we can make magic and, like actually start to get there. But, just like you said, it's like moving the goalpost on your goals instead of saying like oh, I think you know I could achieve this. Or like this would be my next goalpost of like what is something that you actually don't feel like at this stage you could realistically achieve?
Speaker 2:Like if you feel like oh, I could probably get to, you know, a hundred thousand a year doing xyz, then your goal needs to be bigger than that. Like your goal shouldn't be six figures, it should be like 500,000 a year. Or like go to the point where you're like, oh God, I don't think I could do that. Like that, that's just too. I don't think I could do that. That's like way out there. And then what would a plan need to look like to be able to reach that goal? Like that's one of the core ways to just start expanding the vision and and thinking about like. What would that be like? Because it's going to be much different action than what you're doing right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that. That's really powerful and it's such a mindset shift. And then, of course, we would have to get into the mind the fear, addressing the fear around that. Because to the fear, addressing the fear around that, because, like, one of the ways that I always I always imagine it, or how I set my goals is like what is that point in my body where I start to like clench and I start to tense up Like that's the edge right there, and then addressing what are the fears around and what are my belief systems around money.
Speaker 1:Is that something that you I mean you must work with your clients on? Is that something that you want to speak on?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and one thing about that which I love too is like so much of this process requires courage. You know, being an entrepreneur, reaching our goals like expanding rapidly requires courage because it's not comfortable. You know it's not supposed to be comfortable. You're operating at your edge and that's where you find that deeper fulfillment and you know there's a difference between ease, alignment and being comfortable and not being courageous, like you do have to be courageous to be able to get to these points of doing anything else. And it's like once you commit and and you're courageous and actually commit to it, then things start to roll, um and align a lot more. So it does require that as well.
Speaker 1:I like that, the courage and the difference between ease and alignment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then what you were saying with like the fear of um, oh, what I? Another thing is like one of my mastermind clients brought this to our call on time and I loved it, and so now it's kind of like a thing. She's like I know she calls it like the scary weird, and she's like if it feels like the scary weird, then I know it's the right move. And so it's like comes back to that, that getting getting comfortable with being uncomfortable, operating at in your you know, in your courage, like getting used to knowing, like, ooh, if this feels scary and weird, then I think it's probably what I need to do.
Speaker 1:Wow, I love that and that's such a full circle moment to the beginning part of your journey with your brother. Passing is oftentimes our biggest growth opportunities. It's not always. We don't always take the opportunity but our biggest growth opportunities come in our biggest pain points, in our moments of of like feeling lost, feeling loss in general, feeling the grief, feeling the pain, whatever it is a lot of times, or even just that uncomfortability of man.
Speaker 1:I climbed the corporate ladder, like now what I thought that this was my entire life and I thought that I would spend my entire life achieving this, and now I've achieved it at 35. Now, now, what Like? There has to be more to life, and that's often the uncomfortable part is when we're, when we're sitting in that pain, whether it's like again, whether it's a physical loss of someone or it's just this, like general melancholy about life. That's, that's where we have the opportunity and we talk about a lot, we talk this, we talk about this a lot in breathwork, too is like one of the reasons I'm trained in a specific form of breathwork. But if you're doing like any kind of like Wim Hof or holotropic breathing, when you're doing like any kind of like Wim Hof or holotropic breathing, when you're spiking the nervous system into the sympathetic state, we all kind of live just naturally in the sympathetic state, because that's the world that we live in and that's one of the invitations we have in life is to lower that.
Speaker 1:But what we do when we're, when we're kind of we're stimulating our sympathetic nervous system because we're pushing ourselves just that little bit more and so that little push, like the straw that broke the camel's back whatever that that is for you in your life journey tends to be the biggest growth. And then we can break that down into micro moments of doing breath work or doing things that you're saying that make you uncomfortable physically, emotionally, spiritually, mentally. Doing the thing that makes you uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Investing in the coaching you know, 20 grand mastermind, where that's super uncomfortable for you, but you've found so much growth from that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and it's. And it's about doing that repetitively Like a nice question to ask yourself is like when was the last time that you were like scared shitless about doing something and you did it?
Speaker 2:you know, like it's not like I invested in a you know mastermind one time. It's like I've had I've been in dozens, you know tons of mastermind. I've never really been without a coach and I continue to invest at that edge. That's like, ooh, am I really going to do this? And it's like it doesn't go away. It's still like, ooh, this is scary and this is risky. But like I'm my own best investment and I know that.
Speaker 2:And like, going back to what I mentioned before about, you know, building wealth, which is really like your unique skills, your purpose, your you know fulfillment in life is like I know that that's what helps me get there and that's like the most important thing.
Speaker 2:And like I've also noticed a trend of whenever I've been like oh, I'm going to take a little break from coaching, like I've done that a couple of times. And it's like my income also like my profit, even though, like you know, if you're spending all this money on a coach, which I noticed, that even my profit dips, even though, like you know, if you're spending all this money on a coach, which I noticed, that even my profit dips, even though I have, like this massive investment, like this like big investment back, my income still suffers from that. When you are supported, like, you can go so much further. And it's more about like asking yourself of, like, how do you want to grow your business? Do you want to do an ease and alignment and support and um, or do you want to like push and hustle and grind and try to grow incrementally and I think those things just all playing together. Sorry, hitting my mic, my hands, no, you're good.
Speaker 1:No, you're good, You're reading my mind. I literally just posted that this morning.
Speaker 2:Oh did you. Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my story. I was like I've always, I've always grown the most when I've been, when I'm, when I've been investing in myself. But there's a difference between investing to me at least. There's a difference between investing in, like an online module where, like you just like watch videos that somebody created or something like that, which is beneficial, and I'm not saying don't do that let's collect dust in my email.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, like there's a difference between carving out the time to spend an hour a week with your coach or an hour a month, whatever it is whatever container they have. There's always been a difference in my business when I've been working one-on-one with someone and it's I mean, we keep talking about it. But maybe it's because it's true Investing, investing in yourself and surrounding yourself with people and really shifting that mindset of I can do it all by myself, because you probably can, especially if you're a manifesting generator, my God.
Speaker 1:we think that we could do everything ourselves, but we don't have to, and that was a huge shift, like that was. My verbiage of my story is I can do everything by myself, but I'm choosing not to. I will not choose to do everything by myself ever again, because I don't want to.
Speaker 2:It's fucking exhausting, it's not fun, it's not as fun.
Speaker 1:No, oh my gosh, all right, well, I I want to share a little bit about your human design chart, but before we get there, um, is there anything else that we didn't touch on that as you're preparing for this podcast, or or just in general, that you really feel is important to share? Um?
Speaker 2:nothing that's. That's a jumping out at me right now. No, okay.
Speaker 1:I loved this conversation.
Speaker 1:I think there's so much and I I love your podcast, so we'll do the little plug for you at the end but, um, I love your podcast and you share so much pertinent information and very clear information, I feel like, and very approachable tool tips, like tangible, tangible tips, and that's really important to me, so I love that you do that. So we were talking about your human design chart and I don't. I cannot honestly remember if I've talked about this on my podcast before, so I'm going to share it a little bit. Kat, so we have what's called defined and undefined centers. Defined centers, if you're looking at your human design chart, are colored in. Undefined or open centers are white. So, kat, when we're looking at her body graph chart, she has all defined centers from the throat down. So we have nine energy centers. She has seven of the nine centers defined.
Speaker 1:So how I was kind of sharing what this means before we hit record is one of the easiest and quickest ways we can explain. Defined versus undefined is consistent access to the energy of the defined center. So, like the sacral center right With manifesting generators and generators, we have defined sacral centers. So we have consistent access to this life force energy, this large battery of energy. When we're doing what lights us up, what excites us and gives us energy, we're most easily able to connect to that sacral center.
Speaker 1:So one of the other ways that one of my favorite ways that I've ever heard open or undefined centers so they're not colored in centers explain was from another human design coach and she said think of your open centers as, yes, maybe you have that like inconsistent access to that energy, but also think of your open centers as what you came here to master in your lifetime. So when I pulled up your chart and then I'm like laying in bed last night thinking about your chart and this podcast, I'm like, oh my gosh, she's a business mindset coach and she talks all about mindset and her only undefined centers are in the crown and the Ajna, which our crown center, is our thought process, like our, our literal mindset. And then the Ajna is is also our mindset and is the processing of what thoughts, what questions, what fears come in. So there's coaches and I'll send this to you after we hang up. I'll send it to you on Instagram, but I've seen these like posts where it's like your, your best uh, how is it worded? Something about like you would do really well in these areas If you have this center open or undefined and the two is oh my god that's.
Speaker 2:I have like chills, that's so cool, I love it.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh, I love that and that's just one of the reasons I love human design, because it's truly we're not. And like, what you're talking about, too, actually is finding your zone of genius. This is a tool to help assist you in finding your zone of genius. This is a tool to help assist you in finding your zone of genius. If you're feeling lost in that because there's so much conditioning there, like personality tests, don't really they tell you your personality based off of your conditioning, like where you've been conditioned in life, like I'm in?
Speaker 1:any way, yeah, and you can see, you can see the like, perfectionistic and like. I can trace that back to childhood and blah, blah, blah. But human design to me is a tool where you're just kind of you're. It's an opportunity to look at what you uniquely possess and how that aligns with you, how that settles within your system, within your body, and then go from there and anyway, yeah, so that I thought of that and I was like, oh my gosh, I have to share that with Kat because that's just wild, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, I love that. Thank you for doing that and for sharing that. I love. I mean. All of the woo things or all of the things to help understand yourself better, are always insightful and always just like even if it's something that is like true deep down, to hear it kind of like confirmed back to you, it's like, oh my God, like you know, it just is, it's such a, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's affirmation, it's validation, especially like when you're saying if you, if you know your purpose and your passion and you know you have to let go of everyone else's thoughts and like dad's dad my mom, by the way.
Speaker 2:So it's right, I think, all of our parents, like we have at least we have at least one parent. That's like what are you doing with your life?
Speaker 1:So this, this is a tool, also a tool to like get that affirmation of oh wait, no, I am on the right path, and this is this is truly what lights me up and this is my purpose and my passion and my Dharma and all the stuff. So anyway, thank you so much for coming on. Please share a little bit about your podcast and also share where you hang out the most, if people want to connect with you.
Speaker 2:Ah, thank you so much for having me uh, having me on today. I love this conversation and I love the work that you're doing. You're so talented and offering so much to the world, so thank you. Where to connect with me? Instagram is where I hang out the most, at Kat Sanuski, and then my podcast is the wealthy and well woman podcast, and we'll have to we'll have to get you on over there as well.
Speaker 1:Thanks. Yeah, I love, I love your podcast and very similar, like you have. Kat talks about a lot of different topics, which I personally love. Yes, all right, kat, thank you so much for coming on. We'll see you soon, thank you.