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Journey to Well
Aligning with Authenticity: Harnessing Human Design for Personal & Professional Growth | Daniela Dragomir
Energy leadership coach Daniela (@daniela_dragomir_coach), originally from Romania, joins us for an intriguing conversation about the profound impact of human design on personal and professional life. Discover how her skepticism during the COVID-19 pandemic transformed into a passion that reshaped her career and personal journey. Daniela's insights as a 4/6 splenic authority projector highlight the surprising power of waiting for invitations and how embracing this strategy can lead to fulfillment, especially when transitioning from a high-paced corporate environment to a more authentic path.
Explore the challenges and revelations of understanding personal energy types within family dynamics. Daniela shares her experience navigating the pressures of living as a "generator" and the societal expectations of constant productivity, which often lead to burnout. Her journey emphasizes the need to honor unique rhythms and individual decision-making processes, particularly when distinguishing between splenic and emotional authority. These insights provide a roadmap for aligning life choices with deeper truths and fostering healthier relationships by respecting diverse energy types.
We also delve into the nuances of defined and undefined centers in human design and their impact on interpersonal relationships. Daniela offers personal anecdotes that underscore the importance of recognizing personal versus external emotions, an awareness that fosters a more peaceful environment. Embrace the wisdom of trusting your instincts and the body’s signals, as we discuss the significance of staying connected to one's truth. Whether you're a coach or in the healing professions, this episode promises valuable insights into aligning with your authentic self. Tune in and connect with us further through our website or social media platforms.
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Welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well. So today is one of my favorite recording days because I get to speak to some of my clients and we just get to talk about human design, which is always my favorite thing to talk about. So today we have Daniela on the podcast. She and I met I don't know maybe a year ago or so I can't remember when you joined, but we met through a networking group that I'm a part of. That's based out of Hudson County over in New Jersey, and she really was interested in learning about human design. She's oh, let's bring up your human design. So we get that out of the way.
Speaker 1:She's a 4'6 splenic authority projector, so I always love chatting with projectors and hearing their aha moments when they learn that they're projectors and learn their energy type. So maybe we'll talk about that. But anyway, let me introduce, let me let you introduce yourself, daniela. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It's so great to have you. Nothing specific that you have to say to introduce yourself, just share a little bit about who you are you are, um, hannah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2:I'm so happy to talk about the, my two favorite subjects, my business and myself, so I'm uh, thank you for the invitation and since I met you, I felt a connection with you. We have this interest in common in human development and energy.
Speaker 2:So I am an? Um, an energy leadership coach, and um, I look at how energy impacts people. I'm originally from romania, if you want a little bit of a background. I worked in the corporate world and I um, I was, I felt I was on this quest of understanding, uh, humans and the human mind and the human behavior, if you want my whole life and um, right now I am a coach and I finally feel okay, I am doing what was my passion throughout my life.
Speaker 2:So, as an energy leadership coach interested in energy, I think we have infinite energy all time within us and I look at it as a funnel. At the top we have this expansive energy always available to us creative energy, compassionate energy um, everything flows and then, because of our beliefs, of our experiences, we constrict this energy and we go down into the funnel. So, uh, that is what I do in my business I try to make people have access, help people have access to more energy in their lives and um.
Speaker 2:When I heard about human design, it was right up in my alley, because human design has to do with energy, as well and I got excited about it, uh, of course, and I wanted to learn more about it because, um, I realized human design gives you a blueprint of how this energy manifests.
Speaker 2:So once you do your human design chart, we, you actually have a blueprint how to access more of that energy at the top of the funnel easier. Uh, it is my belief that we are all a fractal um of the source of god, imperfect as we are, but we are perfect in our imperfection um, and because we are perfect, although we are not the one, we are not the source, but we are perfect in whatever we are given to experience, uh, we. That's why it's our normal state to have access to uh the full, uh joy in life, but for some reason, we, we constrict ourselves to to experience joy and um the and happiness and fulfillment all the time. And then human design comes along and shows us how to, why we don't have, let's say, access to that expansive energy all the time yeah, yeah, human design.
Speaker 1:I love how you said like it is a, it's a blueprint of of our unique energy and how we can move through the, move through our world and move through our days. So, thank you, that was a really beautiful introduction of of your business and your connection of your business and human design. So I'm curious. I let's just start at the beginning. I'm curious. I remember our first conversations we had of you kind of being like what is human design, what's it all about? I'm curious what interested you in learning more about human design and what, maybe, if you recall when you started researching or when you and I had conversation about human design, what piqued your interest in? Oh, this is something I definitely want to learn more about.
Speaker 2:I came in contact with human design during COVID, when everybody was doing, you know, readings for free, was doing stuff online. And but back then I felt it was something that somebody was telling a lot of truth about myself, but somehow, like trying to predict my, I was looking at it still from an astrological point of view, so maybe I wasn't ready to uh, really, uh, for this, to absorb this information.
Speaker 2:And um, now, with this, uh, going through the leadership energy, leadership coaching program and hearing you talk about this, I was, no, this is up my alley. Let me look at it and I realized it wasn't. When you did the presentation in our networking group, I realized it was not a prediction of the future, but it was a blueprint, as I said before, of how we can function more free in our day-to-day life and more optimal, let's say.
Speaker 2:And then I started researching, and then I asked you to do my chart, to get even more information, to get your perspective and, of course, as a projector. The surprise and the breaking news, as you put it, was that my strategy and authority were totally different than I was conditioned up until now, like because my strategy is to wait to be um invited and, coming from the corporate world, I worked at two um big uh, two of the big four consulting companies and, uh, it was all about you go, you initiate you make it happen and um, that actually created resistance and I didn.
Speaker 2:I wasn't aware of that and I felt it. I was going against the grain. I felt it. I was inauthentic when I was doing that, but I believed that's what I needed to do to be successful. Why can't I do more of that be successful? Why can't I do more of that? I felt a bit of blame and shame that I couldn't be the person making things happen, going out there and pushing and yeah, talking about myself.
Speaker 1:So that was the breaking news for me as being a projector yeah, really honestly, when we talk about strategies like you are referring to, each energy type has its own strategy. The only strategy that really is in alignment, if we're like going out and initiating things, is a manifestor, and manifestors only make up 9% of the population, so I would assume that a lot of people resonate with hearing that of. It feels like I'm going against the grain, trying to go out and initiate and go after things, and especially as a projector, depending on how many undefined centers you have, which you could have just a few defined centers if you're a generator or manifesting generator too. But depending on how many undefined centers you have, regardless of your energy type, you might need a little bit more rest and projectors in general. What I was starting to say was projectors in general tend to benefit from recharging their battery throughout the day, whereas generators, manifesting generators again, depending on your defined centers we might have a little bit more ease in kind of just using that like Energizer Bunny battery throughout the day and depleting that, whereas projectors have like just a smaller battery. So we kind of wear down that battery, take a rest, get out of other people's energy types, energy fields, and then recharge and then continue on our day and especially living and working. Well, living near New York, right where the energy is always high, and then working in corporate. That's the complete opposite of how we're conditioned to perform. We're conditioned to always be going, to always be working, to always be initiating things, and it really is a complete, complete, different perspective of let me.
Speaker 1:Let me sit back and notice the invitations that I get, because I think I don't know if you and I had this conversation I assume we did but the whole like wait for something always trips people up, like even even managens and generators. With the wait to respond, wait for an invitation, we're like are we just supposed to sit on our bums and like twiddle our fingers and just wait for people to come into our lives and invite us to like, I don't know, invite us, oh, I want to work with you. Or like, invite us to our next event or our next presentation. Not necessarily.
Speaker 1:It's not that we're waiting, like not doing anything or in action. It's truly an invitation to notice where the invites are coming from, where people are wanting more of your wisdom and more of your guidance as a projector and then taking that and running with it. So it's more like I always say it's a pause, especially with Manny Jens, because we just move so fast. But, um, but with with projectors, with all energy types besides manifestors, it's a pause. Let me pause and look around and see the invitations that are coming to me. Yeah, does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yes, it does so. A couple of observations that were coming into my mind while you're talking, so.
Speaker 2:I realized because I believed all my life I had to go, go, go and um and Um. So I realized I was in my jobs, I could go for about three years and then I'll burn out because I was um, acting as a generator and after three years of doing that I would just hit a wall. And that happened also with my daughter. I behaved like a generator mom. I was doing everything, I was being everything Because I started following on social media recently a human design expert I forgot her name who is specialized in children, and she was talking about the generator mom and I was like my god, I was that mom. And when my daughter turned three, I experienced, I realized it happened the same what happened with my corporate jobs after three years I hit that wall.
Speaker 2:I I just fell apart. I didn't know, I didn't have the energy, I just didn't know what to do, and it took me about two years to to find my balance.
Speaker 2:I felt guilt. I wasn't the mom that I wanted to be where I was supposed to be, and it took me two years to process that and to come to terms, up until she was about five. I felt like I was failing, but I couldn't go on in the same way. So I realize now, looking back, it was me trying to be a generator and my husband is a generator. So, and probably every my daughter is a generator and probably my mom, I think she was a generator.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say that I bet your parents at least one parent was a generator too.
Speaker 2:I think my mom was a generator. My dad, I think he was a projector, but he was trying to be a generator and I think he felt he failed and wanted to push me to be a generator.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, and this created a lot of friction in my life and a lot of guilt and feelings of failure oh, why can't I, you know, go on? After three years, it was clear for me I'll hit that wall. It was time to stop, make a change, and I always thought if I change jobs or, you know, change something on the outside, it will be okay, and also, if you look at, because of so this is coming from my generator, my projector how I mismanage my energy.
Speaker 2:but, being a six line, I need. In the first part of my life I needed to experiment a lot in order to try things and to find out for myself, because the first part, up until 30, of the six lines, behave like a three line, as you know, know, I don't have to tell you, but no, thank you for sharing for the listeners, because they don't know, maybe yeah, for whoever is listening.
Speaker 2:And um, no wonder I changed two countries. Uh, my CV looks pretty diverse and I always felt, like, why, like, why can't I be that specialized person that everyone wants me to be?
Speaker 2:you look at my CV and it has different things corporate, a puppet show business. It has acting on it. It's like it's everything right and everybody wants something, wants the expert, wants the specialist, and I didn't know how to explain that and I felt again shame and blame and why can't I be normal? But now understanding human design is like, oh, that is, that was totally normal. So a human design gave me that. But that relief, oh, it's perfectly normal. I would be. Thank god, I did that. So now I can be in this third stage of my life when I am the role model.
Speaker 2:Um, I needed that to, to be able to be this role model in the third stage. So, as I said, I changed the two countries. And when it comes to authority, this clinic authority, oh my God, oh my God. And what appealed to me so much? And it links with what I'm doing in my business as a coach. We try to rationalize everything and we try to run our lives based on what our brain is telling us and our brain is telling us about past experiences. Our brain is trying to keep us safe and that's why it's not willing to take risks.
Speaker 2:That's why we experience so much fear and um in and understanding more about human design, so it matches exactly what I believed even prior to coming in contact with human design and now, human design gives me exactly the key of how to uh to act is so before, I would say to people to look more within their hearts. The hearts are largely underrated. If you rely on what your heart is telling you, what your feelings are telling you, it's looked upon in the society as being weak.
Speaker 2:Weak, um, but what I was trying to get people to come in touch with was it was with the deeper truths within themselves, which are which are greater than the brain yeah that tries to control everything and um, in our society, the, the, there's a lot of emphasis on the analytical part, on the brain power and the gut instinct, and the feelings take second place and human design tells me clearly okay, I'm a splenic, my authority is splenic, so it is okay for me to make decisions in the moment, to know in the moment what is okay for me. For example, my husband is an emotional, he has an emotional authority. He needs to go through the emotional cycle, yeah, to know what is right for him. So, with my daughter and I'll get very frustrated with my husband like, what is it? Why do you need so much time?
Speaker 2:it's so simple yes or no, but that is normal for me, and I didn't understand him and he will be like you're reckless, how can you make a decision, such an important decision, so fast? Well, because I don't know. So it was this mismatch and now I'm like, okay, yeah, that's what it is. Although I learned to to respect his, I couldn't push him to make a decision faster. You know, I had to right, it was a bit of frustration and it was like it for him as, as you probably know, people with emotional authority even to make a decision about what to eat. They cannot tell you they need options in order to decide. So that was a source of frustration and um.
Speaker 1:It's so interesting that you're saying this because I'm looking at your chart and you have a completely open solar plexus, which our solar plexus is our emotional center.
Speaker 1:So if you have that defined, you are a emotional authority. If you have it undefined, you're some other authority, um, but your, yours is completely open, which means that you have no defined gates either. So it's such a I can see that it would be such an interesting dynamic with your husband being a defined solar plexus and you being completely open, because what we say is our, when we get together with someone in some sort of interaction or in some sort of relationship this goes for all relationships, not just partnerships or marriages that we, our open centers, magnify people's defined centers or the other person's defined centers. So it's like your open center is almost acting, almost like a mirror. If, like you, hold a mirror up to sunlight right and then it, like, magnifies the sunlight beam. That's ultimately what we do with our undefined centers when somebody else has the defined center. So that's super interesting to me. The other thing that you I was looking at your chart when you're talking about I used to say you know, listen to your heart. And it's it's. It is completely underrated and I completely agree with everything that you're saying.
Speaker 1:One of the things that I always point out when we're talking energy centers in human design is we just have two energy centers in our head. We have our crown and our Ajna and we have seven energy centers in our body. So a lot of my work, you know, is very somatic, based a lot of how can I get in my body? But with your chart, you, being a splenic authority, you actually have it's one of three, no, you have four channels, but you have a direct connection from your spleen to your ego center, which is your heart center. So I really like that you brought that up of you know, trusting your heart, because you also have a defined heart center, you have a defined ego and those are one of three defined centers that you have in your body. Then you have, of course, you have your defined crown and Ajna, but oftentimes when we have those direct connections, it's called a channel. So on your human design chart you would see the line from one shape to another, completely colored in. It might be different shades, but it's going to be completely colored in. Might be different shades, but it's going to be completely colored in. That's where we can kind of hone in and like ground into the connection between the energy centers.
Speaker 1:So each energy center holds its own characteristics and your spleen, your instinct, your intuition is connecting directly, connected to your heart, which I think just really really makes sense in the conversation that you're you're bringing up and just trusting, trusting your gut, right, like that's also something that I say all the time to my clients. If you don't have a defined sacral and or you don't have a defined spleen, those are both in the moment. Yes, no, like the spleen is more of a quiet whisper. There's different nuances.
Speaker 1:But when we hear, oh, just trust your gut, or just listen to your instinct, or trust your intuition, and if you don't feel like that resonates with you, or you're like I don't understand what you're saying, I don't know why you're saying this to me. I don't feel like that resonates with you, or you're like I don't understand what you're saying, I don't know why you're saying this to me. I don't feel like I can feel my intuition very strongly. Maybe you have an undefined spleen center. Like myself, I have an undefined spleen, but it's super, it's super interesting and it's so funny. I mean, that's one of the benefits, too, of learning. Human design is learning our family members or our close friends, and it's like this understanding now that we can have of them, rather than like why the heck do you always do this, why do you take so long to make a decision, it's like, oh, that makes so much more sense now that you're actually. You're actually living in your design. You're actually living your truth.
Speaker 2:It's just not my design or my truth yeah, yes, and I think this is the other very important part of human design understanding the non-defined centers, because that's the wisdom, that's where the wisdom comes um. So, what is defined it will? Uh, it is there. You can rely on that, although you can distort it, but it's there yeah what is not defined.
Speaker 2:That is what changes us and that is what we have to understand and make the distinction what is ours and what is not, because it can distort our own design and um, our, say, perceptions of the world and how we live. So, coming back to the undefined emotional center, mine is completely open. No gate, no, nothing. Yeah, and I realized I was behaving in a way with my daughter. I was nagging her, I was frustrated with her a lot and I didn't. I don't understand why, because I'm not that way. I'm more of a big picture person.
Speaker 2:I don't care about the, the small things yeah, but I'll find myself going again and again in these cycles of frustration and nagging and I am more about let her learn, but in the moment I'll get trapped into no, you have to put on a jacket, you have to. Yeah, she's gonna get a cold, she's gonna learn. And then I realized so she was away for um overnight trip for like three days and I was sitting down and I was like why behave this way? I hate it and I it seems like it's something like beyond me is like I cannot control myself. I've been trying for so long and I cannot control myself. You know what? I'm gonna go to the other extreme. Whatever she's doing, I'll just clean after. I would just, if it takes to clean after her until she's 18 and she gets out of the house. That's what I'm going to do, because I hate being this way, nagging and you know, and there is no fun anymore between us, and so I stopped doing that. She came home, big smile on my face, she threw her clothes all over and I said I don't care. I just don't care because I don't.
Speaker 2:When it comes down to it, who do you think jumps immediately like, oh, my god, it's my husband. So I was feeling and amplifying his frustration, his fear that she's not going to be organized enough, that she might be failing if she's not keeping up with all the assignments. Because she's explaining to me mom, if I miss a deadline for an assignment, I just get a point off from 25. I get one point off, it's fine. I, I have so many other things dance and stuff to do, it's fine.
Speaker 2:And when she was saying to me, when I was with her, I was fine with it, as it says. And she says, oh, I can make up these points and quizzes and stuff because they give us the opportunity to make extra points. Then when these discussions were happening, when my husband was present, I would feel like differently and no, no, no, you have to be like every assignment on time. So I realized I was taking on a lot of my husband's fears and I just decided it's not mine and I'm not going to do that. And we've been having so much more fun, my daughter and I and my husband he because all of a sudden he saw that I wasn't the one doing his bidding he stepped in and he was nagging and doing this stuff.
Speaker 2:But after a while he calmed down yeah because he realized it was creating too much friction or so, and he, he didn't. Yeah, he didn't know how to handle the situation and so he's, he's. He also found his boundary, but because me, I was taking on all all that energy that I was feeling from him and I was amplifying it. I was, I was worse than he reacted with the nagging, so I was worse, so I just stepped back and the whole family is, it's much better.
Speaker 2:And also I felt this like growing up, I remember my father and telling me you are, um, you cannot, you're emotional over emotional and I I never, I, I never understood that because, if you see, I have my head centers defined and my and my sweet spot is ideas and synthesizing ideas and talking about things and in a coherent way and putting them into, putting ideas out into the world. But then, it's true, like these big emotions will take me over and I just couldn't handle them. I didn't because I am not couldn't handle them. I didn't because they, I am not designed to handle them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I felt conflicted between this. Why are people defining me as being emotional when I don't feel that I am emotional?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so true, it's emotional, is such an interesting conversation because we normally say the defined emotional centers like they, they feel their emotions very deeply, but then we don't always have that conversation of. But if you have an undefined or an open emotional center or solar plexus center, you are still feeling emotions and sometimes you can magnify them and feel them even stronger, but they're not always yours, and so that's really one another benefit. I mean, I always say with your open centers, the first step is always stopping and asking yourself is this mine? Is always stopping and asking yourself is this mine? So with it within for myself, with an undefined spleen, is this fear mine? Because we have a like we could call it like a shadow side right of each emotion, of each energy center, rather so is this fear mine? Or is this emotion mine? Or is this mental pressure or root pressure, because we have a crown, is a pressure center, our root is a pressure center. Is this pressure mine? Is this whatever this voice, the way that I'm speaking, is this the way that is my authentic voice or not if you have an undefined throat? But again, another benefit of learning who you hang around with the most, because it might be someone else's, it might be your partner's emotion or fear or pressure and learning it's just like.
Speaker 1:It's just a benefit of learning where their open centers are and where your open centers are and where they overlap, like if you both have open centers. Let's say we both. I think my partner and I both have open root centers. Nobody's magnifying the other person's energy, but I have a defined ego or heart center and he doesn't, so he's magnifying that and that can be exhausting for both parties in different respects. So many nuances, but yes, I'm 1000% with you. I think that we could have hours and hours long conversation of just our centers and just talking about defined and undefined centers and what each center means. I think that's a really great place.
Speaker 1:Once you learn your energy type, once you learn your authority and your profile I still those are really the building blocks of learning your human design. But once you learn those, highly recommend diving into your energy centers and looking at which ones you have to find which ones you already the energy you already possess, which also makes a lot of sense with you being a mindset coach and being so interested in the mind and psychology. And I have a defined Ajna but an open actually just undefined, undefined crown. So there's always been this like really wanting to process and and have deep conversations and really like get to the meaning behind things. That's really the Ajna, and you having both of them it's so, it's so interesting, all right, well, let's, let's wrap it up.
Speaker 1:Um, before the last question, is there anything else coming into this conversation that you're like? I really like? This really made a huge difference for me. I really want to make sure that I touch on this part of learning my human design and how that's affected me part of learning my human design and how that's affected me.
Speaker 2:So I realized that, for example, in my defined centers, I don't, I am a non-self, I don't my not self and I am trying to live in myself and my defined design Because it feels true to me and it makes sense and it comes back and I don't know if it's just for me, especially because I have the head centers so defined and I tend to use a lot of my brain and probably more chatter in my brain than in other people's brains.
Speaker 2:Um, everybody has this voice in their head, but probably mine is 10 times more chattery um and um. So it is uh difficult but also so rewarding to uh for me to use my uh authority and and strategy, to live by my authority and strategy. So give the brain a rest. And I was trying to do this also, you know before, just because of my profession being a leadership coach, and, of course, human design amplify that. But how do I live in my truth? Based trusting my my instinct, moment to moment to moment, and I think I shared with you that I had some psychedelic journeys and in my I had three or four and the first one I had what came to me loud and clear was just follow this.
Speaker 2:It was shown to me, like in my solar plexus area just follow that. Follow that like a puppy. It was shown to me to follow that instinct. That knowing and I was for a while, I did it. But then you know, the brain comes in and the environment and the conditioning and I will forget about that. But that is the truth I need, I want to live, and what helps me now is to meditate, to let go of the control that. That is what we, most of us, do want to control, because the brain wants to control. And, um, human design gave me even more of this confidence that I am on the right track to to, uh, center myself, center in the truth. That comes in meditation, that comes when I feel deeply connected and process that rather than my analytical mind.
Speaker 2:So it is my mission in life to live by my authority and strategy, because everything else is going to take me to pain and suffering.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, such a beautiful reminder and it really I love, I love that journey that you had and that it was literally telling you, you know, pointing towards the spleen, like your instinct, and and leading towards that. And it is, yeah, it's so, it's so beautiful and it's such a great reminder and that is, I think, a benefit of human design is it gives us the invitation to surrender control and really to trust our body. That's one of the things that I was so blessed to grow up with is my mom, my entire life, has reminded me by saying things like your body is so wise, your body never lies. Trust your body, trust your body. She's a splenic authority too, by the way, but it really rings true and and really, at the end of the day, I mean, what we're saying with, with authorities, is it's not that, since I have an undefined spleen, it's not that I don't have an intuition and it's not that I don't have, like a, an instinctual response. It's that sometimes that instinctual response could be someone else's instinctual response, or could be someone else's intuition, or it could just be like maybe my, my intuition is a little bit clouded and my judgment is a little bit clouded, so making sure that I'm clearing that energy out versus you as a splenic authority again, not that it would never get clouded. Um, actually, I had this conversation with uh, a psychic medium that also is a client, but just a really great friend as well, and we were just talking about, like we always do, chakra clearing meditations, because whenever you're in any sort of especially, I think, in like a coaching or guidance position, where if you are a coach or a guide or a healer, just because you have a defined center, doesn't mean that nothing is ever going to permeate through that. So just had to throw out those, those caveats. But but trust your body. Your body is so wise. Look at if, if you want to start somewhere, start with your defined body centers so not the top two triangles, anything that's colored in down below, from neck down ultimately and learn the energy of that center and tap into that center. So if it's your sacral center, you have a really strong gut response, a yes, no in the moment.
Speaker 1:Spleen, strong instinctual response, ego, strong heart, emotional response, obviously, solar plexus, strong emotional response, your root center. If you have a defined root center, very grounded, your like life force, your drive, your purpose what one am I missing? Your throat. Yeah, I mean, I think your throat is one of actually the most defined centers in your chart. Your spleen right, your spleen and your throat both have four defined gates, and your Ajna actually. Anyway, so so fun, so many places to go, but thank you so much for coming on. If people want to follow you, get touch with you. Where do you hang out? Do you have a website? How can people contact you?
Speaker 2:uh, sure, um, thank you for having me um and um. I could talk about this for hours, and so people can find me at DanielaDragomircom. Daniela underscore Dragomir underscore coach on Instagram. So I'm also on LinkedIn, but not very active.
Speaker 1:Yeah, love that and all of your links are also in the show notes down below for people that are listening, so you can always just click the link if that's easier. Thank you so much, daniela. This was such a fun conversation.
Speaker 2:Thank you.