Journey to Well
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Journey to Well
Women's Intuition & Healing Through Somatic Practice | Kat Tovar
Embodying the Divine Feminine: A Journey with Kat Tovar
In this episode, I sit down with the inspiring Kat Tovar (human design sacral authority generator), a women's group facilitator specializing in somatic healing, energy work, and intuitive practices. We delve deep into women's work, shadow work & human design. Kat shares her personal journey from her time in the Peace Corps in Costa Rica to becoming a holistic health coach and trauma-informed facilitator. We discuss the importance of nurturing your sacral center, building a relationship with your intuition, and the power of women's circles. Kat also provides practical tips and exercises for tapping into your intuition and trusting your body. Join us as we explore the profound and often magical nature of the feminine experience. Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation!
00:00 - Introduction
02:30 - Kat Tovar's Background
09:50 - The Importance of Women's Circles
14:15 - Somatic Work and Intuition
22:30 - NLP and Subconscious Programming
30:45 - The Role of the Sacral Center
45:20 - Practical Tips for Trusting Your Intuition
54:00 - Mirror Chakras and Voice Activation
01:00:30 - Final Thoughts and Inspiration
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Welcome to the podcast Journey to Well. I am with Kat Tovar today. She honestly I'm super excited to have this conversation because I don't know about you and I want to hear this perspective. But I don't come across a lot of people that do women's work and hold women's circles and all of these things, especially in the North, which I know. You're in the West, so maybe you have a little bit more if you're in your community. But I'm super excited to chat women's work, shadow work, always. We're going to talk human design. Before I let you introduce yourself, kat, I like to try to remember to introduce my human design, your human design profile. So Kat is a 6'3 sacral generator, so we'll talk a little bit about that. But before we get into the women's work, the shadow work, your story, I would love for you just to introduce yourself. Who is Kat?
Speaker 2:Incredible. Well, I'm so excited to be here with you, hannah, and you hit the nail on the head regarding the women's work and it being actually present in the West more than it is maybe in the North or the East. I'm originally from the East Coast and moved to Colorado about five years ago in pursuit of my heart and soul and spirit guiding me this way, but I am a women's group facilitator. I do a lot of somatic work, body-based healing. I reprogram and repattern women's bodies at a cellular level through energy work, channeling and a lot of really intuitive holding space in these types of gatherings, and my gatherings are very diverse. A woman was just texting me today. She's going to be at my next in-person gathering here in Boulder, colorado, and she was like I have no idea what to expect. And I was like me neither, and I think that's the most beautiful part of this work that I do is it's so emergent in nature and how I facilitate these circles. I've been doing it since 2018.
Speaker 2:I've been in women's work since even before that almost a decade now but facilitating these gatherings since 2018. These gatherings since 2018. And what I've realized is that the more attuned and the more of a clear channel I can be, and less about needing a structure, because women, we are so fluid and we are so intuitive. That's when the magic occurs, and so that's really how I facilitate my spaces. Now Maybe I do tune in day of or day before and really listen to my guides, my spirit team, and tap into the collective energy to become informed about what's going to be the most supportive for the women that come into the spaces. But it's such a beautiful emergent space that I hold and it's been a progression.
Speaker 2:Like you mentioned before, we started recording too. You're like I used to have questions and I used to have structure and now I just flow, and I think that comes on cultivating that sense of confidence and trust with yourself over time. And that's been a practice as well when it comes to women's work, because at the beginning I was like, oh, I don't know, like looking for all the answers outside of me, and the truth is we do know, and so it's been a really cool evolution to realize like, hey, you know my sacral, she knows right, and to tune into more of like the womb space and the intuition to guide.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that you brought up the sacral. Of course you're a sacral authority, but just that sacral center and really bringing up that conversation of trust, because we don't. We don't trust our bodies, we don't trust our intuition for so many reasons, whether that's just like societally, or we lost trust with our bodies at some point in time. So I want to start at the beginning. I want one of the biggest goals of my podcast and my channel is really to bring these possibly complex or deep topics and really bring them down to like basic level and make them very easily digestible. That's one of my biggest goals with human design specifically. But for people that are listening that maybe have heard the term women's work or women's circles or, hopefully, if you follow me on Instagram, you know that I will hold women's circles and new moon circles but what? What is that definition to you? What is women's work to you?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, it's so funny Cause I was just recording a training. I have, uh, an academy where I certify and provide tools and resources and really support women that are desiring to hold these sort of these gatherings with the tools that they need. And in the last training I recorded was like what is women's work? There can be such a variety and I think that's a beautiful part of the feminine is it is so undefined and it is so spirit-based and it is such a felt experience, and so I think that's like part of the beauty of women's work is it is this experience to be had and felt versus defined um, and when we want to like really ground that um definition and understand a little bit better like what that a space like that could be. Like women's work could be anywhere from bringing sadhana, which is the, the sanskrit term for like a spiritual talk, typically there's a teacher or a mentor or a guide bringing a theme or a topic to the group and there gets to be this collaborative, co-creative conversation that happens and education around what that specific topic is. That's one type. I actually started, similarly to you, doing this work around the full moon is really what I was guided towards, and then I realized this was when I was like in my earlier mid-20s, and then I was like, wait a minute, there's all these other moon cycles and there's like the new moon and what about you know, like the waiting and the waxing, and so realizing like there's so many energies that you can work with. And I started with that anchor of the lunar cycle and the moon and I integrated a little bit of astrology. I'm no astrology buff by any means, but that was a really beautiful way to like invite other women in the space online if they had anything to contribute as well, because I do believe like this is a co-creative space, we're learning from one another. Like this is a co-creative space, we're learning from one another. There's often like that pole and that guide and that leader who is you or I, and everyone has their own gifts that they're bringing into this space. And so women's work is often, you know, there's no real hierarchy, there's no pedestalling, it's everyone has their own gifts to offer.
Speaker 2:Now, the work that I do is more therapeutic in nature. It's quite somatic, which I mentioned. I practice timeline therapy. I'm certified in subconscious reprogramming through the lens of NLP, neurolinguistic programming, programming, and the somatic body-based energy work that I do, very intuitive and typically there will be.
Speaker 2:My last group was called the Coven. There's a coven and gathering a group of women that come together. This work sometimes can get a little bit witchy, which is actually going back to trusting your body and intuition. Women have been robbed of that and women have been judged or burned and criticized for these types of gatherings. So I feel like there is this resurrection and this reclamation of the witch, the wise, intuitive, healer, channel, teacher, right, there's.
Speaker 2:That goes in a certain order that I just, you know, botched, but you know, using that frame for women as witches, calling ourselves back to the earth, back to our bodies, back to our intuition. And, yeah, the gatherings that I do, like I mentioned, I never know what's going to happen and then I just tune in, I resource myself and tune into what my channel and my guides are telling me, and that's been a practice cultivated over time. So so many different types of gatherings, some more relational in nature, some more therapeutic in nature, and I find mine they fall on the entire spectrum, depending on really what is being felt and needed collectively as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. That's been a huge piece of my journey is just learning to trust and not do as much preparation and it's really. It's really this whole ritual of like getting ready in the morning and just beginning to tune in before you even get to the space and then creating the lunar cycle as well. I always share this in my moon circles. I said I'm kind of a little bit rebellious, like very low key, I'm not really a rebellious person, but when I started my women's circle I felt everyone did stuff on the full moon Because I mean, obviously the full moon really lends itself the full moon energy, lends itself to celebration, to gratitude, to like getting together and communing together. And obviously, if you do something outside, I mean it's so gorgeous to have the new moon under being under the new moon, the full moon. I keep saying new moon because I'm like I always say it's beautiful to be under the full moon, but for me I was like I want to do the opposite to be under the full moon, but for me I was like I want to do the opposite. Actually, I don't want to host something on the full moon, I want to host something on the new moon because I've never seen anything on the new moon.
Speaker 1:And then fast forward. One day I came across one of those like Facebook ads or whatever of you can get your like. You can get like the phase of the moon that you were, that you that you met your partner under, or that you were born under, or your mom was born under, or whatever. And so I looked up the phase of the moon that I was born under and it was a new moon. Maybe this is why, because I was born under a new moon, and that's why I'm drawn to the new moon energy. But it's honestly, I love the intuition, I love the leaning into trusting your body and the somatic work. So I'd love to talk a little bit of somatic work. I'd love to talk, like NLP, a little bit of your journey. What led you to this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, such a good question. And okay, I just want to say, before I go on to often this tangent, the moon, the new moon, is also such a beautiful time, that darkness and like how bright you can see the stars and the galaxies, and so I think just wanted to say that that's a really beautiful time to be out under the moon and in nature as well, because it's just different, right.
Speaker 1:It's different. It's a nice time to get quiet and we don't really spend a lot of time getting quiet with others. We oftentimes were thinking like, if I'm going to be quiet, or you think of like your menstrual phase and you're like I don't want to see anyone, don't want to do anything, but it's this cool juxtaposition of and obviously in the circle, like we spend a lot of time going inward and journaling and spending time with ourselves, but we're with other women, which is different. It's a different perspective to hold, I love it.
Speaker 2:I love it, yeah. So, okay, your question about, yeah, nlp and somatics and really how I got here so I was in the Peace Corps this was back in 2016 was when I went and served in the Peace Corps and I got to my site, got my site assignment moved down to this rural town on a dirt road in Southwest Costa Rica 200-person town. The closest grocery store was two hours away. The closest internet cafe was two hours away. You had to get up at 4 am to catch a buseta on a bumpy road, drive through rivers that sometimes were flooded, and it was just a wild time to be alive in my body and I was living with this pastor and his wife and I just had so many judgments towards myself. There was a previous volunteer that lived in the town, a man, and he was revered by everyone. Mark this Markos. Mark this mark that he did all the things. He's so amazing and there seemed to be this pedestalizing that was happening, and even for me, I was like putting this man on a pedestal and making myself feel less than, and all of a sudden, I had stressors and anxieties that I'd never felt before, because I'm a very chill person and so when I do feel stressed or anxious, like my whole system gets disrupted, and that's what happened unconsciously was I was making myself ill. A lot of those emotions are stored and worked through our digestive tract, and there's this very visceral. Now science is starting to find the data of the gut-brain connection and my gut started to rebel. I have a couple of autoimmune disorders.
Speaker 2:I was diagnosed with celiacs about six months into my service, and that led me into holistic health. I started listening to podcasts like a mad woman. I found this book on healing your celiacs, how to deal with it, and I came upon becoming a holistic health coach. I heard that in one of the podcasts that I was listening to and I was like this is it because I am rebellious in nature? I'm a wild woman, I just embrace it. I'm like you're here because you break the rules, you live outside of the boxes, you question everything that society has programmed into us. That's really the women that I work with and call forward, and so I never wanted to be corporate. I was raised by entrepreneurs and I did have this rebellious nature in me, and so when I heard about this holistic health path, I was like this is it? This is the key to my queendom. I get to pursue that and so I became a holistic health coach and I became a certified yoga teacher. I got my 200 hour in Costa Rica, became a trauma-informed facilitator and started down the rabbit hole. And I noticed with my health coaching clients they weren't getting the results that they wanted, nor I desired to see for them as their guide, because we weren't working with the root cause.
Speaker 2:And oftentimes, in what I've seen within myself and my experience and journey into my spirit and purpose is that we are brought to this work through the body. The body is a very tangible visceral. You can feel it, you can touch it, you can measure it, object, and it's often our gateway to the intangible, the ethereal, the immeasurable, the innumerable, your spirit realm. And so that's what really brought me into the more subtle reprogramming and working with the body in this really beautiful, like subtle, energetic way. And so the woman that I was working with at the time she was starting an academy for NLP certifying coaches to become certified success and life coaches and use NLP as a framework. So I went through that because I felt like that was another key working with the subconscious.
Speaker 2:Over 95% of your thoughts, values, beliefs and identity are underneath your conscious awareness, are subconscious, and so if you want to become a healthy person, well, how are you showing up and what do you believe and what are you telling yourself is true day in and day out. That creates your reality. And so that was like really my doorway into more of this subconscious kind of the unseen realms. Because for me, the subconscious it's feminine, right, it's emotional, it's emotionally driven, it is in that sacral area, driven by intuition, and for me it's like it's the shadow realm. And so I started to realize, through the deeper curiosity and embodiment of my work, like, okay, this is all actually, like it's all feminine, it's all feminine.
Speaker 2:And then, doing the trauma work and the trauma healing and the energy healing and the repatterning of bodies at a cellular level, energetic repatterning, that that sort of like lens of somatic healing started to come very intuitively for myself. And so, yeah, it's just been like this beautiful unfolding. I have no idea where I'm going. Like I mentioned the woman that's coming to my circle next week. She's like what are we doing?
Speaker 2:I was like I don't know, I couldn't tell you. Yeah, I couldn't tell you, I'll tell you when you're there, but even then, like we might shift and yeah, it's just been this really exciting becoming. Yeah, it's just been this really exciting becoming. And my mentor talks about not needing to know the final destination, just needing to know the next step, and that feels like that's been. My process is like I'm just taking the next step and it doesn't even need to be the right step, like I could take a left step, I could take a back step, I could go up, I could do it Like it's like there's so much flexibility there, but just taking the next step so that the next thing reveals itself along the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's been a lot of my journey in releasing that right or wrong, what's the right choice? Because we get so stuck there, we get so in our heads over that, and what if I make the wrong decision? That's come up, releasing that, that there's no right or wrong, there's always just a choice. It's just a choice. I'm curious. You said something super intriguing and I want you to dive more into it. Lives, or part of our subconscious lives in our sacral center, and having that subconscious or unconscious programming being actually a very visceral and somatic experience, rather than all in our mind. What did you mean by that? What is your perspective on that?
Speaker 2:yeah, so the subconscious is often governed by emotion, sensation, and for chakra that is associated with water is the womb, it's the sacral chakra. And so when you kind of like blend all of these different themes and topics and plus, like the subconscious, is the underworld, it, it's the void, it's the doorway to infinite possibility and potential, which also feels so related to the womb, space, the sacral. And so, again, your emotions. Those emotions are very watery, cyclical in nature. It's like the tides are always changing, they always come back. It's like the tides are always changing, uh, they always come back.
Speaker 2:You can just rely on the fact that your emotions, energy and motion, it's always moving and shifting, and so that is the thing that you can at least soften and rely on. Kind of going back to there's no right or wrong. It's like the only constant is change and that's a universal law. And so, with the subconscious and that feminine nature, that watery nature, that space into infinite possibility and potential, when you think about the ocean, right, and an iceberg kind of jutting down into whoever, nobody knows how far those icebergs go down, nobody knows what's underneath the surface of the ocean, right, like it's infinitely expanding. Like we could, we can't find the end of it, because we can't measure it, like that's what the subconscious feels, like I guess you could try to measure it right, but like we don't have the technology or the resources or the tools to go that far into what seems to be in yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:It's super interesting. Yeah, I love all of that. I've always kind of thought of our subconscious just in that like heady space and not so much in a somatic way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and when you think about like the heady, it's like, okay. Well, what governs your belief system? Typically it's your emotions. What governs your nervous system is whether you feel flighty or safe and that, like safety right, that parasympathetic nervous system response is also governed again by your emotions. It is reigned too by your experiences.
Speaker 2:So, through the lens of nlp, we have the communication model and through the communication model, you have your five senses your sight, your sound, you're hearing, your taste and your touch, your kinesthetic senses coming through and you're kind of like bringing them through this filing system in your mind. Because at any point, at any moment, we're actually taking in 2.9 million bits of information per second. That's a lot of information. It's way too much to to try to to understand or consciously organize. Right, like, in the background there's avocado oil, on the like there's a stocking, but none of that's actually really relevant to me right now. So, even though there's all of this information that I'm taking in, we only consciously register anywhere from seven to nine bits of that information per second and then the rest gets deleted, distorted and generalized, depending on your mood, your time, like the timing of the day, your environment, and then those, like that organization of information influences and informs your state.
Speaker 2:That is influenced by your physiology, or, like your body and the internal representation. What I mean by that is, like your previous experience associated with the water that's sitting in front of you, right, like, oh, did I drink like water with a worm in it? Then maybe I might be like afraid to drink that water and first it's like, okay, water is like a nurturing, healthy thing, so I'm gonna drink it. Right, so your state is influenced by these, like past experiences and your body's well-being, your physiology, which affects your, your thoughts, your beliefs, which creates your results and the reality that you live. So it is very much like a cognitive process, but your state and your physiology is very much influencing your reality, right? So it is determining the results and your life too, depending on your mood, the time of day and these other influences. So it's a blend. It's a blend, but, yeah, when you think about like the physiology in your body really having an impact on your life, then she's also informing the decisions that you make. Your body is.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, that's one of the things you make your body is. That's one of the things. So one of my tools I use is somatic breathwork, and it's really rooted in trauma healing as well, and one of the things that I always share in my breathwork journeys is we don't always have to know the reason behind. We don't always have to know the story behind. Maybe what we're experiencing on a physical level, especially with breath work, we're really bringing all that energy down into our bodies. So sometimes we find like we need to shake or move or make a noise or cry or yell, and we have all of these physical reactions and in my mind I tend to be label myself as an overthinker.
Speaker 1:So when I started this breathwork journey, I was like why is my body doing this? Why is my body asking to like, shake, or why is my body asking to make noise or whatever it is? And I had this moment where it was like it doesn't necessarily matter. We can sometimes get the story. We can sometimes. Sometimes the story will come to us. But in processing whatever is being processed and allowing the body to just experience whatever it needs to experience, that was always a very different, or that still is a very different perspective for me, because we get so stuck in the stories of everything.
Speaker 2:I know it's so true, but that brings you back to how you opened the space, too, today. It was like women have forgotten how to trust their bodies, we've forgotten how to trust our intuition, and like that connection to our intuition and this is just an invitation back home like the body is, feels like home to me. Without the breath, without this physical body, we wouldn't get to have this experience. And a client of mine she's been working corporate accounting for her entire career and she did the thing. She pursued the certificate, she got the degrees and she came to me because she's like, I don't even really know why I want to work with you. I just feel the call. I want to cultivate more of my feminine, I want to cultivate my spiritual relationship to the divine and you feel like you're able to support me in that. Now, anything else beyond this, I'm not really sure why I'm here, but on our first call that we had, she was like I don't, what is intuition? How do I resource my intuition? Like, how do? Like I don't, I don't know. And I said, babe, I'm so glad you're here. This is actually what brought me to this spiritual healing path that I do now is my need and desire to connect to my intuition.
Speaker 2:This was back in 2017, where I started to cultivate that relationship with my body again, after years of societal programming and familial programming, and I say that I work with women coming home to themselves and helping them remember who they are. Before, the programs and the disembodied patriarchy told you that you needed to be something different. And I say disembodied patriarchy because that's very different than the patriarchy. The patriarchy isn't bad. It's not a bad thing, same with the matriarchy. It's not a bad thing. We need the masculine, we need our men, we need those poles and that structure and we need that foundation and that holding. We need the patriarchy, need it and the disembodied, toxic masculinity and the disembodied patriarchy that we collectively, being women in the western world, have grown up in.
Speaker 2:There's this forgetting of what it means to trust your body and your intuition, to trust in the process that's happening without needing to have any fucking clue what is happening. You know, the other night I woke up at four in the morning. I couldn't go back to sleep. I prayed to God. I was like please don't just help me, like I need help, like I can't go to sleep. And then, all of a sudden, I had this massive emotional purge and breakthrough and I was doing this like weird convulsive, nonlinear movement and clearing like so much just subtle, repressed grief from my system and I passed out and I could finally rest, and it's amazing how your body is constantly informing you and providing opportunity and information for you to alchemize and heal and transmute the pain and the shame and the repression and the trauma that we've been carrying around.
Speaker 2:But, really, truly, how often do women actually give themselves the space? Because it's, you know it, it does create upheaval. There was another time, a couple weeks ago, I was facilitating a workshop called the Holding Space. It was with men and women. The masculine was holding the feminine in a really platonic, loving way.
Speaker 2:Because how often do we actually allow ourselves to get held and do it with somebody where there's no sexual energy? Yeah, held and do it with somebody where there's no sexual energy. And you know, that night I came home and I had this really big emotional process and purge and release and was like no one's holding me and just like, yeah, like moving through all of this, like repressed grief that I hadn't allowed myself to feel, and that process was over an hour long. And so we do have to create the space, absolutely we have to, and that's that masculine is even giving ourselves the space, providing creating the space that allows you to feel. But then, once you do, you feel so clear For me. It's like I'll come out of a session that I might have held for myself or somebody else might have held for me, and I just like all I can do is sleep and my body is like feel so loosey, goosey because I like I just upheaved so much of that stagnant energy from the body, like upheaved so much of that stagnant energy from the body.
Speaker 1:I love that thing and thank you for sharing all those personal stories. I love that you held that. You're inspiring me now. I'm like maybe I should do some event with like the masculine and the feminine, just because we don't. And that was one of my again like going through my breathwork journey, that was one of the most profound moments was when you do a one-on-one breathwork journey with someone and they are just holding space for you and they're just holding you, sometimes physically, most of the time not even physically, just emotionally, spiritually, but you just know that they're there and they're holding space for you.
Speaker 1:And I did one of my journeys with now a good friend, but a male, and I had the same experience. I was like nobody does this, like this doesn't happen. It's always with that sexual energy and oftentimes it's not even the holding that we're kind of talking about. Yeah, super interesting, super interesting. Yeah, I'm curious if you will share some tips, some ideas, some places to start with beginning that connection and building that relationship with your intuition, because that's one of the questions I get all the time is how do I trust my intuition? What does that even mean? How do I build that connection with my body?
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I love this question.
Speaker 2:I'm laughing because it's like even those questions are so masculine, like we need to have the answers Like we need to have the reason and the logic for what the fuck the intuition is and exactly how we're going to do it and the steps that we're going to do it in. And so I just love like that. That. I love it. I love it. It's so perfect and what I how I have invited my intuition online and how I've supported my clients too is something so simple as like taking your dog for a walk and asking your body do you want to go right? Do you want to go left?
Speaker 2:Do you want to go right? Do you want to go left? It's like there's no real science behind it, and then you just choose, and then you'd make the next choice. And then you make the next choice and you actually don't need to know what the result is. And so it's really just about like, what is the choice in front of you, making that decision and just continuing to like, follow the seeds of like to like, follow the seeds of like inspiration and on that walk that you might be on with your dog.
Speaker 2:Another way to nurture the intuition and cultivate your connection to your body is using your five senses. So you know, looking at the flowers that are blooming in early spring with awe and wonder, and noticing the subtle shift in scents in the air that happen between one block and the next, and feeling the cool, you know fresh air on your skin, I love to leave my phone behind, because how often are we with our heads down, connected online, and so that feels like a really important piece too is just setting aside all distractions, going out into nature, putting your feet on the earth, letting your body guide you, just asking. You can't really fuck up a walk you know it's like okay, do I go right.
Speaker 2:Or left, like there's no, you just go right. Yeah, there's like low, okay, do I go right or left Like there's no, you just go right, yeah, there's like low risk associated with that.
Speaker 2:And so, yeah, like just cultivating that inner compass little by little, and then you can bring that into your meals, you can bring that into where you want to go at night, the people that you want to be, you know, in association with and it's oftentimes the first thought I always remind my clients like we'll do again, like subconscious work, and the first thought is the best thought, like whatever came through needs to come through, don't overthink it, it doesn't make sense. It's okay, it's not supposed to make sense. Just tell me what the first thing was. And that is also informing you of your intuition and your inner compass. And so, when it comes to food and like intuitive eating, that's been a process that I've explored myself, typically like in the winter, the winter, you know, listen to your body. What does she want? Probably it's like warm foods in a cup of soup and cooked vegetables. Like I don't want an effing salad in the middle of winter, like I don't want a caesar salad like get it away from me, yeah, yeah, like. Maybe I'll like eat like a salad, at least like dark, leafy greens, because it feels like earthy and nourishing and full of like nutrient dense. But, yeah, like starting to just ask your body. You know you can place your hands on your womb and be like, hey, mama, you know, like, what do you need today? What do you want today? What feels good for you today, for you today, and just starting to open up that conversation. It's really a lot less about certain steps and really just about cultivating that relationship again with your body, with your womb. And if we want to get more into like other tangible tools and modalities Alternate nostril breathing, that's great to open and activate your third eye.
Speaker 2:You can do some work around your third eye energy clearing. The color associated with your third eye is violet and so you can meditate with kind of like that color, violet circulating and clearing and opening your third eye. And the seed sound for the third eye is Aum, so you can even like chant Aum. You can put on frequencies that help to stimulate your third eye. There are certain foods Rappei would be a good medicine to open up your third eye as well, and so there, yeah, there's like infinite things that I would say. Those latter ones are a little bit more advanced than some of the earlier ones that I mentioned. Uh, but I mean, I love. This is like my, my work and my bread and butter, so I teaching on this. I'm so glad that you asked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm always. I'm always curious to hear what other people's perspective is and what their answer is. Because it's just such, it is such a individual answer. At the same time there's like no answer and like there's no right answer, there's no wrong answer. It's truly, it's truly for me, it's truly just reconnecting. I word it as learning the communication of your body, because our body doesn't speak in words, it speaks in sensations or feelings or emotions or like that intuition, just kind of like that vibe. You know that kind of feeling that you have, or like that inner knowing. And I would always say you know we could talk feeling that you have, or like that inner knowing, and I would always say you know we could talk human design and see what like your strongest senses, and see how that sense is communicating with you, and that those are ways that you can begin.
Speaker 2:Totally and I want to mention too like. So we have mirror chakras, and your womb and your third eye are the mirror chakra. Your crown and your root are mirror chakras, your throat and your solar plexus are mirror chakras and then your heart is kind of like the center point. So you know, your intuition is very much associated with, like, your womb. When I talked about a lot of those exercises earlier, that was a lot of like womb based, body based work and then a lot of that like third eye activation. Your vocal cords are also physiologically look very similar to your womb space and so activating your voice, like you just said, is a really important like communication is also a really important piece of supporting and activating your intuition.
Speaker 2:Speaking, your needs speaking your desires putting voice to what it is that you want. And for me, like I'm always in that dojo and in that edge of like cultivating a stronger, you might believe it, you might not, because I love to talk and have a lot to say. You might believe it, you might not, because I love to talk and have a lot to say. And I have a lot of trauma in my womb that I'm continuing to work on and alchemize, as do many women, and my voice feels like I'm still working on that connection of womb to voice and speaking and communicating my desires, because it goes back to early childhood. But oftentimes, when I had emotion arise, right, that emotion that lives in the womb space and I needed, like I communicated the emotion, like my, the masculine in my life couldn't hold it.
Speaker 2:He told me to stop crying. You know why are you feeling that way? And so often you know like, little by little, my voice became smaller and smaller and it's been uh, it's been, yeah, just such a beautiful opportunity to reactivate and cultivate that relationship between womb and and throat, and that's such an important piece of this work not only knowing what your intuition is telling you, but now acting on speaking on intuition. The throat's very masculine in nature. The womb is very, it's very feminine in nature, and so it's like supporting the feminine through the voice. Activation Kirtan great practice. I'm going to start going to Kirtan next week. I'm so excited, but that's a devotional practice through the voice and spoken Sanskrit and singing Sanskrit, chanting Sanskrit another great way to activate the voice and also activate your intuition through this devotional practice of love.
Speaker 1:Wow, I love that. You taught me something I didn't know we had mirror chakras. I've never heard that before. That was really cool. I like that, and I mean so much makes sense, of course, like, even when we talk about our history of like silencing women and then all of that like makes so much much sense. Oh man, all right, so let's let's do something potentially interesting. We didn't plan this out. It might not be interesting at all, but this is interesting in my mind.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to talk a little bit about your human design chart. I'm just going, since we're talking so much about the Sacral Center, I want to talk about the Sacral Center in terms of human design, not everything that I would, you know. Talk about the Sacral Center like, which is with all of my knowledge, but I'm going to try to keep it pretty human design focused. And then I want to hear your perspective and anything that you would add, change, shift about this. So in human design, we all have a sacral center. It's either going to be defined or undefined. So defined would be colored in, undefined would be white or not colored in. And if you have a defined sacral center, that's what makes you a generator, or a manifesting generator. If you are a manifestor, reflector, projector, you are not, you're not going to have a defined sacral center. So I love talking about the sacral center, probably because I also am a sacral authority, but so the sacral center is actually like our biggest. We have four motor centers. It's the biggest, most powerful motor center in human design, so it's like our powerhouse cell. It's our powerhouse center. The sacral center is one of our literal centers where we gain energy, so like our physical energy centers, where we gain energy so like our physical energy. So that's kind of where we, when we talk about human design, we say manifesting generators and generators tend to have a little bit more consistent access to their physical energy because it's coming from that sacral center.
Speaker 1:The sacral center also is our center for pleasure, and one of the things that I always like to kind of caveat that with is it's not just sexual pleasure. I think when we talk about pleasure we always think about like sexual pleasure, but it's not always that. And it's our center of satisfaction, which is where, when we're talking again in like energy types, your self theme as a generator is satisfaction, the emotion, the felt sense of satisfaction. So our sacral center typically like shadow sides of our sacral center, or when we know that we're not living in alignment, that sacral center will ask questions like okay, do, like I am, I'm not. Maybe they'll feel like I always have to be doing.
Speaker 1:Or, or when, when do I know that enough is enough or I just have to push through this? Because, whatever I said, a deadline or somebody's um leaning on me or or depending on me, um, it tends to be like pretty fast. Like okay, let's go on to the next thing. Like what's it tends to? It can have the shadow side, can have that, what's the word? Like the masculine energy, but like just disturbed masculine energy, like not in alignment of very much. Like let me just pull myself up by my bootstraps and I'll just do it myself, because nobody else is going to do it for me. Like those are some shadow sides of the sacral center, um, so that's, that's, that's what I have to say about the sacral center in terms of human design. But I'm curious what you would add, what you would change, how that all landed.
Speaker 2:I love it, this is so perfect, it's spot on. Yeah, oh, my gosh. Okay. So absolutely, your sacral as being your energy centers, right? And so women it's so interesting, women, when we get turned on, when we start to become engaged sexually, we have more craving, more desire to enjoy sex. Yeah, comes from your sacral chakra. And so when it comes to like women's ability to and desire to be sensual, to be sexual, to be creative, to feel activated, like the more that you nurture that energy, the more that energy will come online Like, the more creative you are when you're nurturing your creative centers, the more sexual and like in pleasure and desire and cravings of connection you'll be when you're becoming sexual with somebody.
Speaker 2:I know, like last year I went through a period of abstinence and I was just like nothing, like I didn't want to be like touched, I didn't want to like even think about men. I was just like so turned off. I didn't touch myself for like months, like my self-pleasure practice was like so offline. And then now, you know, I went off to freaking Asia for two months and I come back and like I get like felt these shifts in my body, these energetic, subtle shifts in my body, and then all of a sudden I go out and four men ask for my phone number tonight.
Speaker 2:I'm like what's happening, like she is online, she is ready, like she is like, activated, and you may or may not need to sit in a 10-day vipassana to do that. I don't know. That's the question, um, but I totally believe, like for women, it's when your sacral is engaged, when you're nurturing that creative essence, that sensual, that sexual pleasure center, that like, we crave it more and so that is like this kind of like self, self um fulfilling.
Speaker 2:I I kind of see it as like a dam, like the water stops flowing. There's like no energy is moving through that space. But when there's like energy movement and flow, it's kind of like this natural self-sustaining process that happens. Men are a little bit different, because when they have an orgasm, when they ejaculate, they actually lose a lot of their life force. And so that's where men and I don't want to get too deep into this because I'm not like super knowledgeable myself but that's when men get to start to practice orgasm without ejaculation, because they can sustain their energy for long, for a long time, right, versus like ejaculation and then their energy kind of like falls. Yeah, so it's interesting to work with like the masculine, the feminine energies in that space. I 100 agree too. It's like it can be sexual, doesn't need to be sexual Pleasure. I find in so many things I'm like can you feed me? Like that will make me happy. Yeah, you can pick me up, like I will do my pleasure, like please. And so there's so many different ways that we can work with pleasure and, like I mentioned to, women in particular do have a lot of sexual trauma and so to like lovingly work with some of these energies and maybe, like your art, gets to be your creative outlet for some of those repressed emotions and sexual trauma that you might have had to heal, your pleasure centers, and there's, yeah, like so many lenses and kind of angles that you can take on that. I definitely 100% agree about the shadow aspect of the sacral and overdoing and checking things off of the list.
Speaker 2:And I was listening to a podcast or not a podcast, an audio book actually recently about the womb. It's like a 10-hour audio book on the womb and maybe I'm a little bit in over my head on it because I'm like, okay, I've learned enough, but it's talking about the left ovary and the right ovary and the left side of the body reigns the feminine, the right is the masculine and the left ovary is really about like creation and like internal nurturing. And then the right ovary, even though it is obviously like a female body part, that's actually about a lot of like action and doing and like putting out into the world. And you know, there may be some imbalance there. If that shadow side of like overachieving, over-efforting, forcing, trying energy is really online, then there is probably some balancing and some nurturing towards the masculine or even like your right ovary, your right side body, to help to nurture that.
Speaker 2:And I know, like last year, which it's all making sense now because last year I did a lot of work around my inner masculine, a lot of work around like my father wound, a lot of work around my trauma and my relationships to drugs and alcohol and sex and like cleared it all from my system.
Speaker 2:And that was also when I finally just cleared all of the trying, the forcing, the doing, the like efforting from my system too, because last year I was working and I was holding a lot and I needed to take a multi-month pause to fill my cup back up because it was like so much forcing energy and there was like this recalibration that happened through that latter half of last year which really allowed my system, through the healing of the masculine and through the healing of even that right ovary which I have experienced trauma to my right ovary that I know through a body work session that I discovered through healing and nurturing, that actually kind of unlocked and released that effort and that toxic masculine, shadowy aspect of the sacral from my system. And it's, of course, always like a cycle and processing and deepening in that. But yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1:Super interesting. Yeah, there's so much I think there's so much that we can talk about with just the sacral center.
Speaker 2:This is why I can't study human design. I'm like I can't go down that hole, like I'm in the earth, like yeah, yeah. So I love to turn to it and I love learning about it. Yeah, um, yeah, it's fantastic and it's so aligned. It's like, yeah, it's all. It all goes and blends together yeah, it really does.
Speaker 1:And you said something very early on in our conversation and you said something about, like I wanted to explore the root cause with your holistic coaching or holistic health coaching, Like I wanted, like I was realizing that I wasn't addressing the root, and that's really something that's important to me too.
Speaker 1:And there's so many ways that we can get to that root cause or that root problem or that root whatever, like the root issue.
Speaker 1:I use human design as one of those tools, I use somatic breath work as one of those tools and cycle work, but there's so many different avenues that we can find and explore and then you find what works for you. And that's one of the reasons I have this podcast is because I realized that my tools are not the only tools and they're not the quote right tools. They may be the right tools for someone, but women's work or shadow work or, you know, embodying more feminine energy or really exploring the feminine and exploring the masculine embodiment work. I mean there's so many things. There's so many ways that we can walk this journey of life and healing and embodiment and really coming home you said that too coming home to our bodies and coming home to ourselves. I think that's that's our, that's my life mission, that's that's like. One of the biggest journeys that we can take in this lifetime is rediscovering ourselves, rediscovering our power and coming home to our bodies.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Amazing.
Speaker 2:I love it and that's what it's all about. It's like we're sharing the same mission, right? It's like leading people back home to the truth of who they are, and we just have different medicines and different vibrations that get to support each other, and they're both beautiful and perfect in their wildly imperfect ways, and perfect in their wildly imperfect ways.
Speaker 1:I love it. So thank you. That was the human design piece, so I'm not going to pull more, and I know that we're kind of getting towards time. So last question is if you were standing on a stage and you had one minute to share a message, what would that message be?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. Hmm, what would that message be? Oh my gosh, I think it's actually a lot easier than people have made made this life out to be, and when you follow your intuition and say yes to your life path, it gets to be fulfilling and nourishing and you get to have fun along the way. And if things are feeling difficult, if you're feeling like you're forcing, you're probably doing the wrong thing. You can't do the wrong thing, but you're probably doing the wrong thing. You can't do the wrong thing, but you're probably doing the wrong thing. And yeah, you, you get to have fun. And yeah, yeah, you don't like just trust, trust in life and everything's working out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. Thank you so, as people want to connect with you, where can they find you? Where do you hang out?
Speaker 2:oh my gosh, instagram is. It's a fine place to connect with me definitely send me a message.
Speaker 2:It's I am Kat Tovar, with two t's k-a-t-t-o-v-a-r. Um, it's been interesting. I've been like weaving and navigating how I'm connecting and showing up in that space. Even now, um, I've got a retreat coming up in at the end of april. I'm super excited about it's. In guatemala. Um, yeah, the, the feminine, untamed retreat, seven days. It's gonna be incredible. We're gonna be doing sweat lodge, ecstatic dance, we're gonna be drinking cacao, singing kirtan, we're going to be hiking at sunrise. And then I have my women's group that I'm enrolling in the temple of the jaguar and that retreat is actually included in the enrollment.
Speaker 2:So three places to connect, and instagram is a great place to send a message. If you're, if anything came through, I love hearing from you guys. It's like such a, such a, such a treat to know like, oh, my god, the stalker, what did you mean when you said this? You know like that feels really good to to connect. Um, and thank you, hannah, so much. This has been so much fun. I love the opportunity to be here and, yeah, just excited to share with your community.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Thank you for coming. This has been so fun.
Speaker 2:Yes my pleasure.