Journey to Well
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Journey to Well
Navigating Grief and Healing's Complex Journey | Hope Rose
Grief isn't just about death—it's about lost dreams, identities & versions of ourselves we thought we'd become. In this raw and profound conversation, Hope Rose ( 5/1 Manifesting Generator) shares her harrowing journey through domestic violence, family court battles, and having her son "trafficked" through a broken legal system.
Hope Rose opens up about how grief manifests physically—losing her appetite, hair falling out & struggling with digestion—revealing the often-overlooked connection between our emotional processing and physical health. "In order to process grief properly," she explains, "we need to be able to physically digest our experiences, not just emotionally."
The conversation moves beyond personal trauma to examine how the coaching industry sometimes creates harmful expectations around healing. We explore the danger of formulaic approaches that promise transformation without acknowledging individual journeys and timelines. Hope beautifully articulates the concept of "stages of alchemy"—those small moments of light that happen long before dramatic breakthroughs—and why it's essential to honor these incremental shifts rather than fixating on end results.
Most powerfully, Hope challenges the notion that we must immediately transform our pain into something productive or profitable. Sometimes the most healing thing we can do is simply be present with ourselves exactly where we are, allowing our grief the space it needs without rushing to reframe it or find a silver lining.
Whether you're processing trauma, navigating loss, or supporting someone who is, this episode offers a refreshingly honest look at what healing actually entails—not the Instagram highlight reel, but the messy, nonlinear journey of uncovering the masterpiece that already exists within you.
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Hello, welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well. So today I am joined with Hope Rose from, founder of the Hope Rose movement, an ultra endurance athlete passionate about health, healing and hope for humanity. Hope, thank you so much for coming on. It's really good to have you. I feel like we're going to have a really good conversation. One of the things that we were talking about before we hit record was grief and talking about those deep emotions that a lot of us run away from and certainly don't talk about publicly. So I'm excited to get there with you. She's also a 5-1, I don't want to forget this 5.1 manifesting generator, so we'll talk a little bit about human design throughout or at the end of the podcast, but thank you so much for coming on and I'm going to let you introduce yourself. Who is Hope?
Speaker 2:Rose. Thank you, hannah, it is a pleasure to be here. Hope Rose is a name Source gave to me about three years ago, at this point of the recording, and you know, source God, whatever you want to call it and it was such a divine experience that I just, you know, embodied it and kind of, you know, channeling as Hope Rose and I had gone through some very trying, deep circumstances, like literally weeks after Source gave me Hope Rose. And to not make this podcast hours long, the brief 411 version is I was involved in a domestic violence relationship, had a little baby who turned into a little boy and went through the whole, you know, court process. There was no marriage in this particular story, just custody, and when you are dealing with an abusive individual, it is just a very trying time. And so he, you know, attempted to take out a life insurance policy on me and my baby nothing on him when I was a month postpartum. So that will give you some idea of what I was, what I was dealing with. On that, several other close attempted um, death, death times. I will. I will say to that eventually, at seven months old, um, my son was seven months old, he walked out on us, changed the locks in our house, closed our joint checking account, took the car away and, like, literally left me with barely a penny and a newborn in the middle of winter and it was a really horrific time and then took me to court for custody and child support Fast forward four years later.
Speaker 2:What most people are not aware of is that our court system is not. It's a. It's not a judicial system, it is simply a system and it's a trafficking system. And he had a lot of money and backdoors and money and attorneys, and I did not, and I was a mama bear fighting for, fighting really to protect me and my son and ultimately my little boy, who had lived with me his entire life, at four years old, was literally ripped out of my arms at gunpoint and he was trafficked. And when I say traffic, I use that word very deliberately, because that is exactly what happened in. It's happening all day long, every every day in our country and people are not realizing what is happening, and so that's part of like the Hope Rose movement is to shed light on that.
Speaker 2:And I did not know where my son was. I still don't know exactly where he is, but we had zero contact for almost three years, and so this is why grief is definitely a topic I know a lot about. And then subsequently, I was arrested and jailed for what they call custodial interference. Again, it's the made up law code for really protective parents, for just being, for being a parent. And there was just a case yesterday, or over the last couple of days, a month, a month old baby was ripped out of her mother's arms due to another just you know angry ex spouse. So this is happening all the time and you're listening to my story and it's you know, it's happening to me, and so you know, the more that I share my story and be on podcast, I think people will be like, oh, this is, this is real. It's not just, you know, children not just being trafficked across Mexico border, this is happening in America.
Speaker 2:So that is kind of the recent journey I have been on, and through my healing process of all of this, I was really wondering, like, how do I use Hope Rose?
Speaker 2:And a really good friend said it's a brand, it's a movement. I was like, oh my gosh, you're so right. So it's the Hope Rose movement. Of course, it's a metaphor rising from the ashes and it just has such a deep meaning that I'm kind of like the lighthouse for people who are going through dark situations, whether it's really deep trauma, like I've been through, or more subtle trauma, whether it's like a relationship or a job ending like. All of these things still have big, big impact, and not to downplay one person's trauma from from another's. But, um, really hope rose is to give light in the darkness when you're going through. You know health issues or you know trouble with your children. Parenting life is difficult. You know life throws us a lot of different lessons and so Hope Rose is there to kind of, you know, as a metaphor, but also as a tangible reminder that you can come through the darkness.
Speaker 1:And don't we all need that reminder? I love that you pointed out like trauma is trauma. We all experience trauma. I think that's something really important to know, and we always think of your situations, which is huge, and I can't even imagine going through anything like that. And that's really what we do think about when we think of trauma is like these big, what we call big T trauma right, big T trauma situations. But there's also little T traumas that we go through and we still need that lighthouse.
Speaker 1:We still need that rising from the ashes reminder and the reminders that we need to process our grief, that we need to find our people, our tribe, our community that maybe has gone through something similar, or something that you can resonate with and feel safe enough to hold yourself and be held in this healing journey. Because it is a journey, isn't it? Like we were talking about? Like there you've gone through a lot, as as have I, a lot of different. It's not just processing our emotions, it's what are we eating, how are we sleeping, how is our stress level Right, like all of these things that um play into healing, play into into into alchemizing, really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so beautiful and I think you know grief. Grief is not just like you know, the grief of like a death or losing a loved one, you know it's. It's divorce. If you're like on the spiritual path which I think probably you know most listeners are, it is death of the life you thought you were going to have and grieving that, grieving the person you were when you made choices that you were unconscious to, grieving that aspect. And so grief is more, it's more layered than just surface level of like oh you know, a family member died, a friend died, absolutely that, oh, you know, a family member died, a friend died, absolutely that's their. You know, that's grief. I feel like I need to create like the um, like a wheel of grief, and people can be like oh, I identify with that grief because grief is just not, it's not singular, it's plural.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so there's all different kinds, and so I've even, you know, through, like my personal spiritual transformation, the grief has, like sure, I mean it's it's coupled with, you know, like the loss of, you know, my child, and it's also coupled with going through this tremendous, you know, dark years of the soul. It's not days of, it's not a night, it is definitely years. At this point, and yeah, it's, you know, grieving the versions of you that you thought you were, and it's like, oh, I am, so, not that, I am this and like grieving that. And so, in order you know, we were talking about this off air as well in order to and I am just learning this recently Like I've really been struggling with grief, like I've had health symptoms like losing my hair, um, and not being able to digest food.
Speaker 2:I don't have an appetite, like I just literally I could go days without eating. I really do not want to eat. So like I had to like force myself to eat. But then I was reading on, like you don't want to force yourself to eat Cause then you get, you know, get bad habits, and I'm like, oh my God.
Speaker 2:And so I've been working with an Ayurvedic practitioner and she was like we need to get your digestion right so you can actually process grief, and I just want to share that with the listeners.
Speaker 2:I think that was so helpful for me of like and even to process any type of grief, whether it's capital G grief or a little grief or whatever it is. We have to be able to physically digest our food and have that appetite. And so that is something I'm personally working on and that's a really in step. That's a really important step in grieving like um, properly, I guess is the word that's coming to mind but really grieving like holistically, like mind, body, spirit, because you know, if we're just crying all the time and our body is not able to actually release and process that grief, is just going to keep coming back over and over again and it's just going to like compound. So really important to have a really good digestive system so you can actually, like you know, process the grief and then be able to go on with your life. You don't have to, you know, be crying all day, every day, or, you know, whatever the grief symptoms you know show up for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, grief is such an interesting thing to experience, if we can call it interesting and talk about, because we have all of these thoughts about grief, right Like you've already kind of debunked a few of them is we really can. Only I'm putting that in quotes we can only grieve people that have died, which is not true. We can only grieve someone else, not true? We can grieve these past versions of ourselves or past, or what we thought that our life was going to be or how we thought our life was going to look, and we can only grieve, again, in quotes, for a certain amount of time, right, like we always think it's been a month. I actually talked to clients about this and they're like it's, you know, it's been like 10 years or five years and I still feel these waves of grief come over me and we think that something is wrong with us because we're told societally that you know, you have, like at best, a year to grieve someone that died, not even yourself. Um, and then another thing that you're bringing up too is how are we grieving? It's not. We have to allow ourselves to feel the emotion, but one thing that you're bringing up that's interesting is it's not just feeling the emotion. It's not just crying, it's also how am I digesting food, but also then how that that indicates how I'm digesting this grief. And like I guess digesting another synonym would be processing Like how am I actually processing and allowing the grief to be moved through, rather than I'm just going to allow myself to cry about it which I'm not saying is not what we do, because we do need to be able to cry about it.
Speaker 1:Or however you process grief, sometimes anger is grief for people. Sometimes we start there and then move down to sadness. But all of these I call them dense emotions, but like anger, frustration, sadness, maybe like yelling or crying, like these are ways that those emotions might be expressed. But how are we then processing through that? And I think that you can also almost reverse engineer of like I'm having a lot of digestive issues, or I have this diagnosis right, of like SIBO or what's the other one, all of the digestive issues that we have, is there something, some emotion that I'm not moving through? Or I mean I? You probably know more about Ayurveda than I do. My mom is very into Ayurveda, I have explored the doshas, but for listeners, I don't know that I've ever talked about Ayurveda. So tell us what that is.
Speaker 2:And then also, I'd love to hear your experience and your takeaways there, yeah, so I I'm not an expert in Ayurvedic um modalities I probably will be eventually, cause I just love that stuff Um, I will say the word that comes to mind is metabolizing our grief, Like, how can we like metabolize and I guess that's what I mean, like by digesting? Like you know, we digest food. We have to like, digest and metabolize, like whatever it goes in our body, same with emotions, and that's why most of society and humanity, and that's why we see all this abuse just continually cycling through generations, it's because nobody's metabolizing their events in their life, whether you know, events, trauma, like whatever you want, their stories, their history nobody's really doing with.
Speaker 2:You know, like doing anything with it, and so it's literally constipation. You know like energetic constipation and it's just it's being passed down energetically through generations and through cycles, so you can kind of maybe that word can kind of joggle some people's like, oh, I see how that's in my life family lineage, yeah, and so it's really metabolizing. You know, giving yourself the permission to metabolize your grief, whatever it is. You know, the other thing I was going to. You know like another grief topic would be like identity, like I've had to grieve the like the loss of motherhood, like my motherhood, like I had dreamed of being a mom for years, like that's all I wanted to do was have kids homeschool, live on a you know homestead and a farm and go barefoot, and like that was my dream and that is not my life. And so grieving like my my pregnancy was hijacked, my entire motherhood was just in survival mode. And so just recently I've been kind of sitting with that. I've like, okay, I need to sit with the loss of that motherhood. How can you know just how can I acclimatize that to, okay, I get to be a mom in other ways of like nurturing and caring for people on an even larger scale. You know so.
Speaker 2:But it's just, you know, kind of reframing and it takes a while to do that, because if you're sitting with the initial, like I've just lost, you know, my mother, you know motherhood for me was a dream, whatever a dream is for you, and it's like not happening, you have to sit with it before you can, like, reframe it, cause I think some coaches are so quick to like we're just going to reframe it and it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, like that's great, maybe you're. You know, you're a little further ahead in the path. Let me catch up to it, let me process what I'm going through, and then I can reframe it. So there's, there's stages to reframing, cause I did not come, you know I did not come to the conclusion of like I can be a nurturing and caring person to millions of people.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. It was like, no, I wanted to be a mom to my child, yeah, um, anyway. So back to the Ayurvedic stuff. The three doshas are kapta, kappa, k-a-p-h-a, pitta and vasha, I want to say, and so they're all just different constitutions of like hot and cold and fire. And what I have been personally working on is like I don't have a fire in like my digestive system, like you know, like lack of appetite, lack of fire, and so using, like you know, lots of spices. Spices is kind of the the go-to nutritional modality for Ayurvedic stuff, and then eating, you know, easily digestible foods. Um, so that's kind of. That's kind of what I've, I've personally been working on in in that aspect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's super interesting. It's it's more of this lifestyle as well. Like, ayurveda is very holistic because it's not just looking at what you're eating, it's how you're eating, and we talk about this, I mean, all the time. With like sleep too, it's not just how much you're sleeping, it's what is the quality of your sleep. So Ayurveda is very similar in that aspect of like, where am I eating? How am I eating? How am I eating? How is really focusing on how the food is being digested, not just, you know, maybe if we went and saw a nutritionist, it would be focusing on what the actual food is that you're consuming Super interesting.
Speaker 1:But you said something very cool um, oh my gosh, I lost it. What was it Very cool about? Um, focusing on, ah, shoot, what was it? Now I lost it Metabolizing. Say it again, was it metabolizing? No, you're, you're talking about like. I think I'm trying to get into talking about the like. Oh, you, about coaching, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:Okay, you said that I was like I couldn't just reframe or rewire like, like, right off the bat, and that's such a good point. I think that's something that we get. We all get in the habit of sharing the arrival, like where, where we have arrived at and breathing past what we have experienced. So, oh, I like I was really struggling with this, but then this happened and I arrived at this moment and this is how I alchemized it and this, you know, this is like where I'm at right now and I arrived at this moment and this is how I alchemized it and this, you know, this is like where I'm at right now and I'm okay with life. And, you know, life is easy, breezy, and like. These are the lessons that I learned and all of that is so, so great to share and so important.
Speaker 1:And the point of, for sure, working with a coach, working with a guide, working with a therapist, whatever it is, but we don't spend a lot of time not that we need to publicly talking about the process, of how we got there. I think there's a balance right between, like, airing out our dirty laundry and actually, you know, kind of sharing the process and normalizing. Again, talking about grief or normalizing like how I arrived at this final place in my well, the next step, because we don't actually arrive anywhere. We're always on a journey, but I love that you pointed that out of, like some coaches. Just, you know, here. Let's just rewire that right away.
Speaker 1:And again, there's nothing. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. Like I don't want this to come across that we're saying that that's wrong or that we're like shitting on all over that. But there is a lot of benefit long term, of going through the process of allowing ourselves to feel it and we talk about feeling it often, especially on this podcast and especially in my, in my containers but how often do we really allow ourselves to feel it and like, allow ourselves to be in that ugly of the ugly cry and the actually not eating and the? You know all of that. We don't really spend a lot of time there because it's really uncomfortable, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so many great things I want to say on all of that. I mean it's, it's really interesting. I think most people, when they think about this is maybe another um grief misconception is that you're going to be like overeating, you just want to eat everything, and I felt like that. I haven't really shared much about like my personal, like physical symptoms of grief a little bit, and it's just like. You know, I'm like losing weight. I'm like what size comes after? Extra small. You know what I mean and most people are like on the opposite side is like I'm just binging and I've, you know, gained all this weight and I'm like great, I don't want to offend people by being like, oh, I'm the skinny chick, you know, and so feeling I'll just keep quiet because it's almost more like socially acceptable to talk about grief of like I'm overeating versus the opposite. That's just how I have, that's how I, I guess how I'm holding it in my consciousness of just like you know, people, they don't think of it of like oh you lost your appetite versus oh, I can just, I just can't stop eating and I don't. I can't identify with that and you know, and that might be some people's story, which is obviously totally fine. But I think again, that's another like very grief specific thing. Like most people just think, oh, they're gaining weight, they're, you know, drinking alcohol, they're doing all these things, and for me it's like no, I'm like huddled in my cocoon, healing and you know what I mean, and maybe maybe I need to shed more light on that. Like, this is what, this is how my grief process looks like, and maybe it gives permission for somebody else to be like oh, like, maybe I'm forcing myself to eat when I, when I really need to like tune into my body, my body's actually not hungry. So, yeah, so just some things there. Um, I would like to touch on.
Speaker 2:It was funny as you were talking, this was like, again, I'm channeling this whole bros, but this was, like you know, coming to me, the coaching like in generalized, the generalizing coaching space, I think, has kind of and I love it Like it's, you know, so many people are getting access to so many things that you know, decades ago people didn't have access to. I think that I, I feel like it has been almost Hollywoodized, disney-ized, you know, if I can say it made up, made up words, but it's like people see like these, like famous coaches and I was, you know. Like you know they were down on their last dollar and they listened to this, you know meditation tape or whatever, and all of a sudden they had billions of dollars in the private jets and they have, like of course anybody can do this. Why aren't you doing it? And we've like idolized, like if you go through the coaching and if you do the process, then you're going to have X, y, z and that's not always true.
Speaker 2:Like just because you are in, like you know, healing, personal growth work, like it's not a fairy tale. Like you know we can like rewire things and you know heal lineage, you know like all those things which are super important. But I think if our, if our overarching goal is to like chase the dream, we're not free. We're still in the system. It's like a coaching system just like the government system. Like you go to school K through 12, and then you go to college and then you get the job coaching. Can you know some coaching spaces can kind of be like that, like if you go through my program, if you do this, then this is going to happen, and if you don't put in the work or you didn't put in the work, then that's why you failed. Am I making sense?
Speaker 1:Yes, no, absolutely. And and I think for me one of the reasons that I use human design, cycle alignment. You know these many reach outs, or you're consistent this, this amount of time, then you will automatically get whatever is being promised. That doesn't work for me, uh, and I have found that everyone is so different and learning my human design, how I'm created, how my energy is created to move through this world, how I'm supposed to make decisions, how I know what's a right decision for me and not for me, and then leaning into my cycle, like my monthly cycle, the moon phases, a little bit of astrology, and then, of course, somatic breath work, any somatic work, getting back in your body, having creating that container to have the time to reflect and look at the insides and sit with your emotions.
Speaker 1:All of those things for me, have been so much of a permission slip and less of this formula following. And if we follow, sometimes, when we follow the formula perfectly and it still doesn't happen, then it's leads to us feeling like, oh so something's wrong with me, like I did it right, I followed all of the directions and something's still wrong with me because it didn't work, and that must mean that X, y, z, that I'm a failure, or that I'm not enough, or that it's never going to work for me, or you know, oh, I'm just not meant to be in this field or this area of my life, and that may not be true. You probably, and you are following someone else's formula that works for them and good for them, like they're sharing it because it works for them and that's that's great, that's not a bad thing, but that doesn't mean that it will work for you.
Speaker 2:Right, and I mean that's so beautiful.
Speaker 2:Thank you for articulating that. I think you know coaching that encompasses a variety of modalities, like you do yourself. You know other, you know I have coaching friends, um, energetic work, like spirituality, energetic is really beneficial. Um, and I also say, like the other thing I kind of you know, observe, and there's some of it. You know these, you know high influencer coaches, I guess, and they're so successful they have forgotten the humanity of people. Yeah, and everybody.
Speaker 2:You know if somebody is in, like like there's one coach in particular I'm thinking of as I say this, and he has a lot of lives, it's a guy and you know that person is on the call. You know when people come on live calls, like they generally, like I want to improve my life, like what am I doing wrong? Like you know, guide me. And I remember, like I, I was on one of those like you know Instagram lives and I, you know they, you know, brought me on or whatever. One of those, like you know Instagram lives and I, you know they, you know brought me on or whatever. And I think it's really prudent to know the person's story because your system that you think yes, that got you, the you know the multi-millions and the you know the 20 fancy cars is going to work for me where I'm at right now. That's misaligned. Yeah, maybe this person you know, myself or someone else just to know needs to know that what you're going through is really, really difficult and I'm here for you, instead of saying, follow this process and get up at 3 45 AM and, you know, do your cold plunge and do this work. And it's like maybe this person really needs to rest. And it's like how can I support you tomorrow? And so, again, coming back to that humanity of just like oh, what is this person going through? Like what's behind this? And I think that gets lost.
Speaker 2:As I know, just as I observe some of the coaches, you know, having a lot of money and success is just like well, this system worked for me, so it's automatically going to work for any, everyone, blanket percent. If you work the pro, you know like if you work the program, the program works for you. And it's like no, because we all had, we all had different human designs. You know what I mean. Like we're all different individuals. It can all work for us in different ways, and I think that's what needs to be said. It's like here is a system, how can it be modified for your human design, for your biology, for the situation you're going through? That's where true coaching is, and so you know it's harder in big, you know group, you know group coaching spaces, you know, where there's thousands of people and it's just blanket coaching, like very different.
Speaker 2:And so, anyway, you know just, there's a lot to say on this topic for sure, because I think a lot of people are just like, oh, they're being the carrot is dangling in front of them and they want that carrot. You know they want the Disney, you know fairy tale wedding and the white picket fence and the 2.4 kids, you know the in the lake house and the boat. And I'm just, I'm just nervous that the coaching industry has kind of strayed that, strayed that direction a little bit of just like giving people like false hope, of like there are tragedies, can we rise from them? Absolutely, and we don't always have to like make a mess out of our pain or, like you know, mess out of our message, like there's all these cliche things. It's like maybe I will, maybe I won't. How can I make a difference in my life, in my home, in my community. Maybe that's what I'm called to do, maybe I'm called to do something big.
Speaker 2:And so I think, you know, getting wrapped up in like having a purpose for every single thing that happens is like a bit of spiritual bypassing, Kind of like reaching for, like I have to alchemize this and then you're just caught in, um, in a very like seductive trap of just I need to alchemize everything, I need to. You know, like everything I have some very it's for a reason, something's just happened. You know what I mean. Like maybe you know past generations didn't heal something and so now you're chosen to deal with it. Okay, great. So I think, really giving people permission to like pause, be with yourself, you are yourself, don't compare yourself to somebody else who's, you know, transform their story into, you know, magnificence and you're not as worthy as them. So, yeah, there's, I don't know there's a lot to say in that.
Speaker 1:I feel there is so much and it's really going back to like, where are you on your journey? Going back to like, where are you on your journey? Maybe you're still in that feeling and healing stage and there's not that moment of alchemy yet. You know, like, maybe that will come, or maybe it is just this. This is just going on.
Speaker 1:We learn, we learn. We have sorry, we have the opportunity to learn something from every situation that we're in. It doesn't have to be this huge life lesson. It can be a small life lesson that we share or we don't share, and it can be this big thing. It can be this, this moment that really alters your entire life, or it can be this moment that alters the inside of you that you don't need to have. You know you're, you don't need to switch your entire business or your entire lifestyle or whatever it is. I mean, yeah, I, I, I totally agree. There's so, there's so much to say in the coaching industry.
Speaker 1:But the last thing that I want to add is also, we can apply this to our healing, just just our healing journey, with or without a coach, with or without, um, you know, following people, um, how, yeah, how much grace can I give myself, how much can I allow myself just to simply go through this process and how how much can I be with myself going through this process and instead of jumping to the alchemy, which I mean there's so much behind that we don't we're adverse to feeling uncomfortable, we want to get to the alchemy because that means, you know, we've made it to the other side. Like there's so many reasons that we do that. But allowing ourselves, allowing ourselves just to be be here, right, isn't it like Ram Dass or something like be here now, just just be here. Can I allow myself to be. And if it's a difficult season, can I allow myself to be in this season. If it's a nice season and and butterflies are flying around, can I let myself be in that season too?
Speaker 2:eyes are flying around. Can I let myself be in that season too? Yeah, I mean. And there's also like stages of alchemy, as you know. I'm sitting here even thinking of, like you know, I was actually asked this question yesterday of, like it was something along kind of on the lines of just like you know, what are you doing with your story, and it was almost like they wanted me to say all these great things I'm doing, you know, like, like you know, I have their Mercedes, or you know whatever it is which I don't, um, or the, you know the, the, all the material things, or you know I've spoken on, you know, stages. You know, with 5,000 people or 10, you know, like the big, grandiose things that you know really get, wow, it's amazing.
Speaker 2:And I was sitting here thinking of like alchemy can be in stages, cause I think the universe also is like can I? I don't like the word test, it's too hard. I like the frequency is too hard. The universe wants to see can I alchemize this at a very minor stage, so, like when I was in jail. I still can't believe. I'm saying that every time I say it I'm like, oh my gosh, like I was just praying with the women in jail. That's alchemy, yeah, and like being with them and like hearing their stories and like still shedding my you know, you know shining my light. Yeah, that was alchemy in a very dark situation. Now, you know, some people think I think people also maybe like they was alchemy in a very dark situation. Now, you know, some people think I think people also maybe like they think alchemy is like, yeah, you have this really terrible situation. Then all of a sudden you're a New York times bestseller. It's like we jump, it's like whoa, to get to that New York times bestseller, a lot like a lot of little alchemies had to happen to the big a. Yeah, and so it. It's like right now, my alchemy looks like doing a lot of podcast and sharing what I can on social media.
Speaker 2:Have I spoken on stages and gotten paid, you know, triple eight figures? No, I don't even. You know, I don't, I don't. I guess that's why I want people like I'm very real of like, no, at the time of this recording I haven't even been asked to speak for free and I think a lot of people kind of see just the highlight reels of like, oh, they went through this really traumatic time and now they're doing fantastic.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm here to let you know I'm in the middle of this alchemy process, and so the alchemy process, like everything else, it is a journey, it's a step by step, and the universe is like, oh, I gave that to her and she took that step. What else can I, you know, now I can, like entrust her with the next bigger step. Maybe it's a speaking, you know a paid speaking arrangement. Maybe it's a, you know, a book offer, like those things like they come in steps as you heal and as you process and as you're like you're ready for them. That that's how I kind of view it. I guess as stages of alchemy it doesn't happen zero to a hundred.
Speaker 1:I love that. Stages of alchemy, yeah, and it doesn't. We always see the highlight reel and there's not a lot of. I think it's really beautiful to spend time sharing the process, because we all go through it and I think we need to start normalizing that more, that we all have a process and the process is just as important as the highlight reel, as getting to you know those high. Whatever the success is for you. It doesn't even matter what it is whatever the success is for you. So I love that.
Speaker 1:I want to say a little bit about your human design, because we always kind of close with some human design. I'm just going to bring up your chart. I want to say a little bit about your human design and then I'm going to give you a last question and then a second to kind of where can, where can we follow up with you and all of that. So one of the things that I really like, I really love actually the, the five one profile, which is your profile. It's called the challenge solver and I've explained this on podcasts before, but, like our the numbers, they're called lines. The first line is the liberator.
Speaker 1:The five line is called the liberator, the one line is the knowledge seeker, or like the researcher there's all these different names for them um, so the five line is really interesting. That's typically how we see ourselves. So the five line is kind of this like um, save the day energy. We're here, like our five lines, typically five, one profile, specifically, typically kind of exude this, um like energy. I don't want to, I don't want to take it, take this kind of with a grain of salt, cause it's not like you're here to solve everyone's problems, but you can solve problems. We'll say that. And one of one of the five line, especially one of their lessons in life, I say, is how to set boundaries.
Speaker 1:I think we all have that lesson in life, but the five line a little bit more is how to set boundaries, how to say no, like just because I can do it, doesn't mean I have to do it and help everyone. And then that one line is the knowledge seeker. So really I mean this comes through in our conversation very clearly with you but learning new modalities like Ayurveda and all of these things and I also call them like the lifelong learners I'm a one three, so I have the one line and I just know like these are the pillars of my business, but I'm always going to be exploring other wellness and healing modalities and and I mean things outside of, outside of my business as well Um, but it's a really, it's a really beautiful, it's a really fun profile and it really honestly it just kind of encapsulates, like this Hope Rose movement as well. I feel like that. Like that five one profile is is really um, supportive supporter. Supporter, supportive profile uh, personality traits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm following it, I guess yeah, so, yeah, it's so interesting to. Yeah, I, I've done a little research on it. I is five that is the five line also disruptive.
Speaker 1:I thought I had they could be for sure, disruptive yeah. Yeah, because it's more um they could be disruptive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I guess I'm thinking about like, the liberation of like. In order to liberate, we have to like disrupt.
Speaker 1:Shift the way that we are doing things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like shift, you know shift people's thinking of like, oh, didn't know, I didn't know I had a choice, whatever it might be. You know, like mandates aren't a law, there's just simply a word. You know I won't get too political here. Or, yeah, you know, setting boundaries, like I didn't know I could set a boundary. It's just like, I think, liberating. I think, thank you for, yeah, sure, I didn't really realize that about the five line, but I think that really fits in with like my personality and like my overall work. Yeah, like I say, like my life's purpose, you know, it was like my work, like my passion of just like liberating people from like the chains and the structures and the confines of whatever what they're you know, whether it's systems or childhood, or you know, society, like whatever it is, like the boxes we put ourselves in, right, the boxes we put ourselves in, that the limitations we give ourselves of like no, that's not possible. Um and so, yeah, that's what I'm really going to sit with that. So, thank you?
Speaker 1:Yay, oh, you're welcome. So before the last question where can people find you if they want to continue following your story? Where do you hang out the most?
Speaker 2:As you watch the alchemy and process along with me. Uh, I usually hang out on Instagram. Uh, hope Rose speaks and that's like across the platforms um, as well as website, hope Rose speakscom, so it's easy to find me there. I'm not sure what your next question is, but the? Um, the other website you can do new product I'm launching and it helps people build healthy habits and it's called heal by, and that website is we heal thyselfcom.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I know we didn't even get there, but definitely check out that website and I will link everything down below so people can easily click on it. Um, last question is if you were standing on your stage that you're going to someday and you had one message to share with the world, what would you share?
Speaker 2:No matter what you've been through, you're loved. I see you, you are cared for and you're here for a purpose, here for a reason, reason. And everyone has a masterpiece inside them and it's covered up by shame and fear and guilt and grief and suppressed emotions and systems and protocols and chains. And my role is to reveal that masterpiece so that way everyone can see that and benefit from it, whether it be in their family or their community. And every masterpiece is unique. So only you can paint your masterpiece, and so you know if I was standing on the stage, it's like let's unearth your masterpiece. How can we paint you today? Like what is the first step? You need to kind of uncover your masterpiece so that way you can benefit from it, but the world gets to benefit from it as well.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that. Thank you so much. This was a really fun conversation and thank you so much for your time. Thank you for coming on. It was really great to chat with you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I really enjoyed being here.