Journey to Well
We are not created to do this healing journey or life alone. In fact, it was Bessle Van Der Kolk who expertly shared “healing happens in the presence of an empathic witness”. That is the heart of this podcast & my business : to witness. You can expect a plethora of conversations on nervous system regulation, breathwork, human design & astrology, cycle alignment, energy & spirituality work and so much more. We are all on a journey back home to ourselves, rediscovering our innate power within & I am thrilled to take this journey to well with you. be well xx
Journey to Well
Healing Beyond the Crack: The Science of Energy Work in Chiropractic Care | Dr. Devorah Feinbloom
What if your persistent back pain isn't actually about your spine at all? What if those chronic headaches are your body's way of telling you something completely unexpected? Welcome to the fascinating intersection of physical structure and emotional wellbeing with holistic chiropractor, Dr. Devorah Feinbloom of Marblehead Natural Healing.
After 41 years in practice, Devorah has pioneered approaches that go far beyond traditional "bone cracking" adjustments. She reveals how our bodies communicate through a complex language of sensation, tension, and energy patterns that most conventional practitioners miss entirely. Through her work with Neuro Emotional Technique (NET), she demonstrates how physical pain often has emotional roots that can be identified through muscle testing - a method that bypasses our conscious mind to access the body's deeper wisdom.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as Devorah explains how our pelvis serves as both our physical and metaphorical center, responding to major life transitions that shift our identity. She describes how the tailbone itself functions like a rudder, potentially tucking under when we feel victimized or powerless. Even more surprising, we learn how surgical scars can disrupt energy flow throughout the body, creating symptoms seemingly unrelated to the original procedure - from anxiety and depression to thyroid dysfunction.
Whether you're struggling with chronic pain that hasn't responded to conventional treatments or simply curious about the mind-body connection, this episode offers fresh perspectives on healing. Devorah's parting wisdom resonates deeply: "Never give up hope about healing. Just keep praying about it, asking - there is help in some way for you." Connect with Devorah at marbleheadnaturalhealing.com to explore how her unique approach might unlock healing potential you never knew existed.
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Hello, welcome back to the podcast journey to well. So today is such a special day. Um, I actually am kind of at the place in in my podcast where I don't personally reach out to too many people anymore. A lot of people reach out to me to come on my podcast and I reached out to Devorah because I am so interested in what her business is, her perspectives. We're going to be talking a lot of energy work today, so I'm going to let you introduce yourself, but let me just give the brief introduction that Devorah is a holistic chiropractor. She is the owner of Marblehead Natural Healing. She's also a 1-4 Sacral Generator. So we have all of those introductions, all of the titles, but, devorah, I'm going to let you introduce yourself and say hello and then we'll get into the incredible conversation of energy healing and neuroemotional technique and all of the things.
Speaker 2:Oh great, thank you so much for finding me and having me on your program. So I guess what I like people to know is that I have been practicing 41 years in the state of Massachusetts and my journey started in 19,. Let's see, maybe 1979, when I met a chiropractor while I was on vacation and we started to have a conversation about menstrual cramps. Now, as you know, you could talk to a chiropractor about you know, back pain or neck pain or headaches, but she started explaining to me that you know, if your pelvis is misaligned, then your uterus is misaligned, and if your uterus is misaligned it can cause cramps and clotting and things like that.
Speaker 2:And I was a sufferer and so I was so inspired to go see her and my menstrual cramps cleared up and just that power of knowing that there was healing power within and it wasn't like Excedrin headache number 28, if you remember that reference. Yeah, that inspired me to go to chiropractic school and to want to help other people. And, of course, when I got to chiropractic school, I learned all different things about what that same adjustment did, but I never put it together Like my hay fever went away, my constipation cleared up, my acne cleared up, so that was a big wow that you didn't have to go to the chiropractor to complain about symptoms, but you just open the channels so your body can get well and it just gets well.
Speaker 1:So interesting to me and talking about chiropractic care is something that I have just it seems to be coming up repeatedly the past five, six months for me, and I have not had the pleasure of of meeting a chiropractor that I feel I will. Here's my question. This is what I'll say and what I'm really trying to like. Backstory is, I had a bad experience with a chiropractor when I was a child, when I was um in high school. I believe it might've been middle school, but I believe it was high school and all I remember is getting an adjustment, getting in the car and being like something's wrong. My back really hurts, it doesn't feel better, and my mom was like we'll go back in and tell him that. So I went back in and told him that he did a couple more things and I remember that my back was still in a decent amount of pain.
Speaker 1:And then fast forward to 2025,. This year I hurt my back again, which is kind of been a chronic, a repeated thing throughout my life, and everyone says go to the chiropractor, go to the chiropractor. So I go and I have very mixed feelings about it. I personally don't think that it helped. It was a lot of cracking bones and I've heard that there are different types of chiropractic care. So that is really my question is can some people respond very well to the bone cracking and others not? What is this other kind of chiropractic care that is like in the ether that I have not explored? Shed some light on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know we're taught like 20 different techniques when we go to school. Okay, and what I've experienced, that we are a culture. I think that is a high stress culture. And if you can imagine, like as a metaphor, like playing an instrument, say like a guitar, you wouldn't just play it, you would tune the strings before you play.
Speaker 2:And some chiropractic adjustments are just like playing without tuning the strings, where others are more like fine tuning, what we call the meningeal system, which really helps the autonomic nervous system relax first. And I think if things are done in that kind of order, like a structural adjustment has the most power. But if you put a force into a system, that's really high stress. I think that could potentially be a stress for some people. And then there are other techniques that are not what we call cracking or that kind of adjusting techniques, where we use different kinds of tools. I have something that is it's called an arthro stim. It has a little it's like a gun or it sounds like a little woodpecker and it just taps on the bone, so nothing is twisted or turned, it's just very direct in the direction that you need it to go. And I think it's. I love it, my patients love it too.
Speaker 1:That sounds a little, I think. Yeah, it feels very aggressive for me to have the bones cracking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think just there's that psychological thing of like not liking that sound. Some people love it and some people just don't.
Speaker 1:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I definitely feel that and yeah, I've met tons of people that are, you know, swear by chiropractic the cracking is my professional terminology, but I think we crack eggs, just no, not both.
Speaker 1:Not egg cracking, yeah, so, yeah, I'm super interested to try the other modalities. One of the things that you and I talked about in our previous conversation was and correct me if I'm wrong I feel like this is something that you kind of named. But this neuro emotional technique and let me give some backstory and then I would love to hear I personally feel like I did not find you that you found me somehow, because some way I was reading some blogs and, um, I ended up coming across a blog post that you had written perhaps a while ago and um, it was. It was kind of explaining how the position of your tailbone can, can really affect everything or a lot of things.
Speaker 1:Um, and this is actually not neuro emotional technique and I want to get there, but first I want to get to um, and I'm now I'm blanking on the term, but it's it's kind of like these, these emotions that we hold in our body and that can be the trigger points of a lot of back issues, which is something that's very close to home for me, and I just remember reading your blog and I was like, wow, this is just such a permission slip.
Speaker 1:I've never really heard this perspective in this way, although I will say I have a very holistic background. So this whole time I've had back issues. It's always been like what emotionally is going on with you and and a lot of like processing grief for me as, I think, my emotion, but it was just the way, I don't know. It was the way, the timing that I, that you found me, that that I found you, and the way that it was crafted and the way that you wrote it. It was just really moving and powerful to me. So I'm sure you know what blog posts I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:So I'm curious it was called Honor Thy Tailbone. Yes, I wrote it after doing a very extensive training in yoga where I had a deeper understanding of my spine from a yoga perspective.
Speaker 1:Well, you're kind of. You were talking about even the position of your womb, like just the positioning of these structures in our body. I've not really heard of that and how we can. If we improve that, it improves, like you were just saying. It improved your headache, like what is that connection? I don't think that many people talk about that and I'm not really sure that a lot of, a lot of even my community and my listeners, I think, would be very curious to hear this introduction.
Speaker 2:Well, there's so many ways I could approach this, but you know, one way that I think about it is that the spine is like a seesaw. So if you sit on one end of the seesaw, which could be your tailbone, it could pull in your neck. Or you've probably heard of people who've been in car accidents where they have a whiplash injury and now they have back pain, accidents where they have a whiplash injury and now they have back pain. So you know, the spine is a whole unit, and I think you know from going to school. Or you know we think about well, there's a neck, there's a mid back, there's a low back and a pelvis, but it's all a system. There's a respiratory system in there, there's a, there's a concept where you know, there's a technique called cranial sacral. As the cranium moves, so does the sacrum. So it's a whole interrelated system and I think that's one way we have to think about it.
Speaker 2:And also, I love the metaphors of the pelvis. Our center of our body is located in our pelvis, it's our center. And so when we move off our center so, for example, say, a person is getting divorced like, well, who am I now? That's, your center is shifting. We have questions about that, that I've had patients who went from being, you know, students to being doctors and that shift it's like, oh no, you know, I'm somebody different now. Or you know, I've had a baby, I'm a mother now, and you know. So all those like changes in our kind of our roles can also affect our pelvis, particularly if it you know, if it brings up fear or brings up some kind of emotion. And then the tailbone specifically is, it's kind of like a rudder in a boat and in the same way, like a dog's tail could go under its leg. You know, when we feel victimized, when we feel powerless, the tailbone moves. It's not just structure, it's emotions that literally can have an impact, how the body moves that's.
Speaker 1:it's just so fascinating to me. I've I've um very recently found craniosacral therapy, and that whole philosophy is so interesting to me. And and physically being able to see the differences that my body is feeling and I'm actually going through, it's one of those things. I'm still going through it, so I don't even have the words for it, like the adequate words to describe what, what I'm going through and how it's serving me. I just know right now that it's very supportive and that it's serving me and I'm absolutely loving it. But the connection you said something there's three parts. So there's the toxicity, there's the mechanical and what was the last one, emotion, and I, oh, and emotion, of course that's the one I forget. So so the emotional one that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Mechanical is that, like the physical structure, of it Sure, like say you're using your body in a certain way. Or you know people tell me all the time while I sit with my legs crossed, or you know I sit on my. You know I sit on one side and twist. You know my desk is over here, my body. You know my computer's here. You know my desk is over here, my body. You know my computer's here. You know all these mechanical things where we tend to be. You know, favor, one side with our body. You know I'm do everything with my right hand except right.
Speaker 2:So that's me, can I share a really cool experience with you with about cranial sacral?
Speaker 1:oh, please, please, thank you.
Speaker 2:About I don't know five, six years ago. I went to a conference and it was a body mind conference and I was so wide open and then I was doing yoga and after that I had vertigo for about six weeks and I tried, you know, Reiki and all different things and I went to see a cranial sacral therapist and she held her hands on my pelvis, it's just and my vertigo completely went away. And I always tell people completely because they're connected and I, the yoga I was doing, was with my pelvis. I was just opening it up way and it's where my practitioner needed to put her hands.
Speaker 2:And then I never had it again, so it's really cool.
Speaker 1:I don't even know how much you recognize it at this point, but I love how aware you are and obviously this must be your practice is so aware of the connections. So I'm assuming, but I don't know this mechanical, this emotional, this toxicity, is it typically one dominant? Is it the triad that you kind of attack from all sides?
Speaker 2:Well, usually, you know, when a patient comes to see me and they say they have pain, oftentimes they'll want to start to address it through a structural, you know, because that's the way they think. Oh, that's what I taught.
Speaker 2:That's how I taught Right, If it hurts, it must be something you know, must be something physical. Yeah, and my work works pretty quickly. So if I don't see results, then I asked the patient if they would consider looking to see if there's an emotional component to it which will lead us into neuroemotional technique and oftentimes that the pain is actually emotional stuff. You know, like they say, the issues in the tissues.
Speaker 1:So bring us into neuroemotional technique. I'm so eager.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I learned about this in the 1980s. Okay, and let's see how I can talk about it. So there's sort of two entry points to neuroemotional techniques. So I'll start with the body entry. So say, a person had a hip pain and through the chiropractic adjustments the hip pain isn't going away. There's a very simple thing we can do to ask the body, we have them put their hand on the point that hurts and put their hands here. These are the emotional points.
Speaker 1:On your forehead if you're not watching the video.
Speaker 2:Okay, here and here on the forehead. And if a strong muscle, a previously strong muscle, goes weak, when you put those two points together, that is telling me that there's an emotional component. Doesn't mean it's all of it, but there's an emotional component to this physical pain. And so then we work through a flow chart. So we ask the body I'm going to tell you exactly how I do it. We ask the body if it has to do with love, which could mean anyone you've ever loved or anyone who's ever loved you. If it has to do with money, job, finances, career, things in your physical world, your time, your space, your personal energy, and it's usually one of those two. But if it isn't, then it's something about you, you in relationship to God, you in relationship to your sister, your mother, your, you know, just some kind of relationship. And so through muscle testing, we scan to see which category it's in. So say, it's family, and then we want to know if it's your current family or family of origin, and we get a person.
Speaker 2:And then they think about the person. And when they think about the person, a strong muscle just goes weak. They cannot hold it. So they keep thinking about the person. And then we use points on the body and we touch the points. And one of the points that we'll touch in their organ-based points, so liver, gallbladder, heart, lungs, adrenals, bladder. So we'll touch the different points and when you think about this person and you connect the right point, that weak muscle will now get strong.
Speaker 2:So we know that this person is bringing up, say, for example, the gallbladder is bringing up, there's some connection to the gallbladder, and then in Chinese medicine there are a handful of emotions that are associated with the gallbladder. So then we scan for the emotion. So we ask the body, the concept. Is this something about anger? Is it about frustration, resentment, feeling galled, feeling like, is there a sense of stubbornness, betrayal, emotionally repressed? There's a few more. So we'll get the emotion and then we'll ask the person to make a concept, a statement. That's a concept, like I'm mad at my mother because she, you know, didn't ask me about something and she took the liberty to do something without my permission.
Speaker 2:So you know. So we get a concept and then we talk about like, well, you know what's the worst thing about that? Like why does that bother you? And then we scan, once we know the concept and we're really clear why it bothers you, then we ask the body to see if this is a pattern that's happened in your life before. So we scan for time. Did this happen when you were, you know, from conception to birth, from birth to 10?
Speaker 2:So we find an earlier similar, because oftentimes the things that trip us up, you know, are things that are unresolved from when we're kids, child, you know, like, say, a four-year-old, you know somebody did something to the child that has the same emotion that it did in the current situation that we're dealing with. And so then we clear it out. And there's three ways that we clear it out. We hold the meridian point, we hold the emotional points, the person holds the feeling, so that the feeling is like the homeopathic remedy. And you put all of that together while I tap on the spine in a certain sequence, and the person releases the emotion and releases the pattern. So instead of it causing like a fight or flight every time that incident comes up. Now you don't go into fight or flight and it's very cool.
Speaker 1:That is. That is my question, because obviously this is very different, but it sounds there's a lot of similarities between what we generally call shadow work. We generally are going into this, this younger version of ourselves. I've had, I've had a few therapists that are IFS internal family systems trained, so they're IFS therapists. I've had them on the podcast and I personally, because I really love IFS and I've done my own research and I've and I've read a few IFS books and somatic IFS and I've done my own research and I've read a few IFS books and somatic IFS. So I mean you can come at it from a perspective of IFS and parts work of meeting this part you can also come at it.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of people, especially in my community, are familiar with shadow work, which is less structured as IFSs but it's, you know, kind of meeting this childhood version of yourself, this part of you. You know five-year-old me that felt abandoned or five-year-old me that felt, you know, tremendous grief when my parents got divorced. So my question is there sounds like there's a lot of similarities here, except in shadow work. First of all, a lot of that we do by ourselves or just with a coach. You know where we're kind of reliving this situation, which is similar to, or we might do it in therapy. Where we're reliving it and that's something that I hear often is we're kind of just re-triggering ourselves every time that we're bringing this up and it's continuing to live in the body. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So you're asking how does this break the cycle?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like how is so, how is this different? I mean, I think I have a concept, but I would like to more label like how that is different.
Speaker 2:Again. It's by holding the emotional points, holding the feeling, holding the meridian and stimulating the parts of the spine that relate to the organ that's involved, somehow it breaks the cycle and then it might not be broken forever. You know what I mean there. It can come back, but we some there's some other process that I do around that um issue, like I might say to the little have the little child say you know, I I don't necessarily do trauma work with people. I would. I don't necessarily do trauma work with people, I would. You know, it's just more stress related. If it's trauma work, I might send them out. But if it's just, you know, like a one incident, somebody stole something from a kid when they were young. So they don't trust people.
Speaker 2:You know, might have them say a statement you know it's safe for me to trust. And then we see this is where the other part of NET comes in. So if it's, if it's cleared out when they say it's safe for me to trust others, the strong arm, the arm will stay strong. But if they say it but their subconscious doesn't believe it, then the arm will go weak. And then we'll go in again and look at why. You know what is triggering that statement and how can we make it true.
Speaker 1:I'm obsessed with this.
Speaker 1:I love this and one of the reasons I'm going to. I told you I'm going to talk a little bit about human design and your human design and I'm not going to talk a ton about it, but one of the things that you and I have in common is that those numbers that I said. You're a 1-4 sacral generator, I'm a 1-3 sacral manifesting generator, which all means different things, but we both have that one line which is part of our what's called a profile, and our profile is like our personality. So the one line in human design is the investigator, the researcher. So one of the reasons I will say that I know I'm so drawn to this is because the I would call it science. I'm sure other people would not call it science, but I'm going to call it science, the science behind it and and the it's not just this conversation that I'm having in my head, like I.
Speaker 1:I firmly believe and I think a lot of my community does, um that our bodies are always talking to us, and one of the things that I say is we need to learn the communication of our body, because our body will not speak in words.
Speaker 1:Our body doesn't speak in English. We speak in English, our brain speaks in English, but our body doesn't, and so sometimes our body will speak to us in pain, in sensations, like we might feel a gurgling in our tummy, we might feel like a really strong tension in our neck. We might feel this like clenching either in our pelvis or our belly or our heart right, like your heart actually hurts when you break up with someone or when you're really sad or when you lose someone. So those are ways that our body is speaking to us someone, or when you're really sad or when you lose someone. So those are ways that our body is speaking to us, and what you're introducing to my community right now so thank you is another way that our body speaks to us, through this idea of what's called muscle testing or neuro emotional technique, that our bodies will actually lose this strength when it's saying something that we don't believe or when, like you said, it's when the conscious mind and the subconscious are not in harmony. Yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, which is I mean you could go all directions. You can go like manifestation here, you can go healing here.
Speaker 2:Pregnancy. You know people who are having trouble getting pregnant, you know you also test them. I want to be pregnant. They tell me they do, but their body says no, you know. Or they don't want to be mothers, but they don't mind being pregnant, you know. So it's, you find all the blocks, Wow yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's just wild to me Like, how, yeah, what a gift, what a gift this is. Um, I need that one line Like I need the concrete, not just like I think that this is what's going on. I need that concrete. Uh, concrete of this is what's going on and that's what I really do love about um craniosacral therapy going going back there, like, and my, my, my therapist. He's also been doing this for 40 or 50 years, Um, and, just just like you, clearly loves it and lives it and knows what he's talking about and has experienced a lot, and so he'll point things out to me and he's like do you feel this? Do you do you know? Like you know, this is what's going on. This is your body releasing or this is do you feel like how your entire?
Speaker 1:One of the coolest things that he's done to me so far, um done with me, is um, I think he was just kind of like, I think I was on my face down and he was kind of um like, just um, shaking my back, moving my back side to side and moving down my back. So he started at, like right below my head, on my spine, um, and, and was just kind of like moving side to side, almost like you rock a baby to sleep. When you like rock their butt At least that's what my, my parents used to do they used to move my butt back and forth. Um, so he's going down. And he hit this point and he was like do you feel that that your body is so tense right now that you you're not able to um, move back and forth with ease, like you were up on my upper back and that all makes sense because it's all in my lower back right now, but to feel that these are so such minute shifts, like and I think that's also what I would like to get into you know, going back to chiropractic care, right, Like we're, we're, we kind of live in a society where we need these big, big cracks, or big, like you know.
Speaker 1:Going back to chiropractic care, right, like we're, we're, we kind of live in a society where we need these big, big cracks, or big, like you know, if you go get a massage, you want someone to like beat you up and and really like dig into all of the muscles and if it's something like homeopath, like homeopathy or craniosacral therapy where it's really working with these very I'm not finding the right word, but like light, like it's a light touch, subtle, subtle, thank you. With these subtle modalities you're not. Sometimes, I think that well, this, this, I'll ask it as a question Do you find that a lot of people, a lot of your clients, or maybe just people in general, don't feel that it's effective? Because they don't because it's so subtle, like these subtle shifts over this progression of time well, in terms of my chiropractic it's not subtle.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't do. I don't do the subtle work. I don't feel like I'm the best deliverer of that system. So I had to find where I really found my you know, my sweet spot and it is muscle testing.
Speaker 2:So I use muscle, I look at people's postures, I look at their gait and you know like if I have a golfer who comes in and is always just using one side, then you know we'll, I'll find ways to balance the muscles through. You know which bones are out of place. If the muscles weak, what usually the opposite one is too tight. So I balance it. So I do see, you know, people do see see results and they can feel it right away.
Speaker 2:You know how they stand in their body, um, but I've had a lot of subtle work on my body and I can just speak to that. Um, I find the more subtle, the more powerful, the more I get information, because, you know, ultimately, if we're talking about healing, it's not about curing something, it's really about healing. And what healing does is it brings things to the surface. So we become aware, because only when we can become aware can we change something from right. So I love the subtle work because I think it really does allow me to have an aha moment of yes, that's what this is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I find that answers your question, but that's where I went with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, it definitely does. I, the more work that I have done, the more that I have found the same that it's in the subtle moments, it's in the quiet moments, it's in the times that we slow down. That's really where we gain the most insight, where we have the most healing, where we have the the at least largest invitations for potential of, of making those connections or hearing that body communication or, you know, getting that insight. I think that's the biggest part of part of my journey too, I agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like the shavasana of body work.
Speaker 1:Yes, and everyone loves a good shavasana. Yeah, I know a lot, of a lot of people are like that's my favorite part of the whole yoga class. It's just laying down at the end with. You know, I do breath work, so same. I mean, we're basically in Shavasana for an hour, but it's an active Shavasana, we're actively breathing, but, yeah, I do the same thing. So, coming, I know that you and I have had conversations about coming on the podcast, so I really want to just open it up. If there's something that you were thinking as you're kind of preparing for this podcast, anything that you'd really like to touch on that you would love to share with the world that you've found is just super life-changing or has been very effective for you or your clients, and it can be in line with what we've been talking about or something completely new.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm totally open well, I, I guess the first thing that comes to me is to just talk about the versatility of muscle testing, because I use it to help people adjust, you know, to adjust their spines. I use it to develop a nutrition protocol for people, and what I mean by that and that's another long story is but there are points on the body that represent organs, the meridian access points, and again, if you muscle test an organ, say your thyroid, and it goes weak, then I use something called bioresonance testing, which are vials that have the energy fields of different like foods, for example. So, say, I wanted to find out if somebody was sensitive to gluten or eggs or, you know, chocolate god forbid don't test me for that, I don't want to know Right, exactly, so we could find out what organ, what you know, the organ that's weak, why it's weak.
Speaker 2:I usually test for foods, heavy metals, chemicals, scars on the body, like C-section scars midline scars are often a big stressor to the body. People wouldn't even know that. And, um, I can test for infections. I don't know if you can see this, but, um, I'm gonna hold this up anyway. So this is a little kit with vials in them, okay, and if, if I wanted to know if you were allergic to it or if you had parasites, I could put all the parasite vials on a part of your body and if the change the muscle strength from weak to strong or strong to weak, then I would know that there's parasites that we have to look for and then I would build a protocol based on you know, with a nutrition protocol based on what I found. So it's very interesting, can I?
Speaker 1:ask a question. I know the answer, but I'm realizing as you're talking. What does testing if your muscle is strong or weak? What does that actually look like? How do you do that? Is that something that we, the client, does, or that's something that you do, and how can you tell?
Speaker 2:Okay. So I do it with a client. The client's usually lying on their back and they hold their arm up and I it's not. I want to say this it's not a muscle strength test, I'm not looking for strength. A weak muscle has to do with function, a neurological function. So say, we start with what we call a strong lock in the muscle and then I touch a point and say the point, the muscle now gets weak. So I'm touching the patient's body part or they're touching it, and I'm testing their muscle. Is that clear? Okay, and so we look for changes in the muscle strength. And if a strong muscle, when I'm testing an organ, goes weak, I know to pay attention to that organ. The body is trying to tell me that there's something that needs attention here and this is more subtle than blood tests.
Speaker 2:It's, it's just, it's energy and the little and the little vials that are in here are are like the. They're made so that they're just the electron fields. You know, you remember from the periodic table, every element had its own electron field. Well, that's the electron field of different foods, different chemicals, different heavy metals, different viruses, different you know bacteria or scars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is the scars? What are you testing?
Speaker 2:So when a person has had surgery or, um, yeah, so we'll just start with surgery. The skin contains the sympathetic nervous system. So if you cut the skin for surgery, when the signals travel through the skin and it gets to that scar, depending on the scar, the signals can get stuck right where that scar is, so it creates an area of high charge and whatever meridian that is near that scar when you get stressed it'll start to spark that meridian and it can interfere, like midline scars. I've seen anxiety, depression, poor thyroid function. So they're really important to treat and luckily you can use a wheat germ oil on the scar for at least three months. I use lasers often to help that heal. But that's a big thing that people if I guess I would say that if somebody's had surgery and they don't feel right after the surgery, you know, after their body should have been healed but their mood's off, you know it could, it just could be the scar.
Speaker 1:Wow, lasers as in light therapy, like red light therapy you use.
Speaker 2:These are cold lasers. Yeah, it is red. I don't know if it's red light therapy, but it's. I never thought of it as another thing, red light therapy. It's called the cold laser.
Speaker 1:Okay, my chiropractor, the one that I was going to. He had a laser, but yeah, it was a red light. I yeah, I don't know it had. I think it had to do with, like the NIR, the near infrared.
Speaker 2:And it's just targeted and he moved it around. And what did he use? It? On your body or on a scar On my?
Speaker 1:body on my back.
Speaker 2:I think there are different levels of lasers. Mine's like a little pen like.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, so my mom uses those.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:My mom also does energy work, so a lot it's. It's very cool for me just to kind of nerd out um, she, every, every energy worker is different and we're all working with the meridians and the auric field and energy at the end of the day, but the way that it's approached is always just a little bit different. So I love hearing the different language and tools that you use and that she uses Very interesting. I love that you bring in the nutrition aspect and that you're able to test for these, because I feel like everyone's doing these food sensitivity tests nowadays, and here's just another way um, without the blood work and without however, you do a food sensitivity test.
Speaker 2:Here's another way. I think they do like little scratch tests on the back yeah yeah, I love that. I would say these don't. I wouldn't ever say that it's an allergy. I could say for sure it's a sensitivity. Blood work will only test. You know, blood work is for allergies. This is at least you know. Somebody might be allergic, but I can at least say your your body is not in harmony with it. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. Actually, your body is not. Where's your body? Not not? Yeah, for all of the yeah, we'll say well, how does it work?
Speaker 2:and I said well, you know, did you ever meet people and you just don't like them? You're just right. It just happens you're not in harmony with them.
Speaker 1:Your energy fields don't blend, yeah oh, I love that, I love that, so. So I want to point out one more thing about your human design chart. And then I have I'm going to let you kind of share how people can get in contact with you and follow up. And then I have one more question, but your human design chart. We have all of these shapes in our human design chart. Your chart shows up with a picture and the picture will look like a human body, because actually human design pulls from astrology, the chakra system, the I Ching, the Kabbalah, so the chakra system is kind of what makes up the human design chart. In human design we have nine energy centers because two of the chakras are split, so the heart is split and the um solar plexus is split, um, into the spleen, and and, and the um, and and our solar plexus, um, and so in when you're looking at your human design chart, you have these shapes are either going to be colored in, they're going to be white, they're going to have, like they have numbers in each shape. So some of the numbers are going to be colored in, some are going to be white. All of that means something. And in your human design chart I like to look at what shapes we call energy centers. So what energy centers in your chart are colored in and which ones are not colored in, which ones are white? So you have what's called an open emotional center. So it's white. It has no colored in numbers and I really like that.
Speaker 1:I wanted to point that out about your chart because our, in our human design, in our human design, the emotional center is like the solar plexus thing. Basically, think of the solar plexus chakra and how it holds, like our. Our emotional center, um, and this is our center of, along with the spleen, is our center of safety and being able to process emotions and feel other people's emotions. Typically, when we have an open emotional center, we feel other people's emotions pretty strongly, versus if we have that center colored in, we would feel our own emotions very strongly and, of course, we can always feel other people's emotions depending on how in tune you are. But you would more likely feel your emotions, whereas if you have an open or undefined, you're going to feel other people's and so this is your only open center. You have other white centers that have that are technically called undefined.
Speaker 1:So your only open center is your emotional center, which is very cool to me because you work so much with emotions stored in the body and and really looking at where that alignment is with our emotions and our mechanical structure and and how our physical health is like I assume that's the toxicity part Um so very cool and and like, uh, I would say, and I'm curious how you, how you feel, um looking at that chart, like I would say, probably you, you feel other people's emotions pretty easily, um having an undefined spleen too, like that's our instinct, that's our safety, that's our also center for well-being. So being able to kind of tap into your client's energy that way, because it's almost like that doorway, because it's almost like that doorway, that emotional doorway is more easily open to have their energy flow in and your energy kind of like this balance. I don't know if you're not watching the video. I'm moving my hands back and forth like a crazy person. But how does that resonate? Does that feel kind of aligned? Does it feel like totally misaligned?
Speaker 2:It does, and I think that I don't always do. It is a way that I can really hear what people are saying and can look. I don't. I think feeling is a is more is a little bit more challenging for me as a modality for connecting with people, at first, like I can feel their spine with my hands, but I think where I go is looking, watching and really listening. I think listening for me is like a spiritual skill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's a huge skill that a lot of us don't have, so I love that you have really reflected on that and lean into that. I love that. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, so how can people find you? How can people follow up with you where I mean, obviously, please reiterate where your actual business is, and then how can people find you online? How can people follow up with you where I mean, obviously, please reiterate where your actual business is, and then how can people find you online as well?
Speaker 2:Okay, thank you for offering for me to do that. My the name of my business is Marblehead Natural Healing and I'm in Marblehead, massachusetts, and my website is marbleheadnaturalhealingcom, and I can give you a phone number it's 781-639-0010. I'll say it again 781-639-0010. And my office email is office at marbleheadnaturalhealingcom.
Speaker 1:And I will link everything, everything down below. I love all the resources that you have on your website. I think your blog is linked through your website, so, um, I will. I will link the blog posts that we were referencing earlier in the recording, but also, you can I'll link the website so you can always go on the website and check out all of this information, and I know that you have a lot. I know that you have a lot in your office, too. You have a sauna.
Speaker 2:Infrared sauna and beamer therapy. Yep.
Speaker 1:That's very cool, yeah, awesome. So last question is if you're standing on a stage and you're, you had an opportunity to share one message. What would message be?
Speaker 2:Never give up hope about healing. Just keep praying about it, asking there's there is help in some way for you.
Speaker 1:It's so hard right. We get very discouraged, especially if we've tried different things that we just feel like haven't served us.
Speaker 2:I have known a lot of people that have kind of accepted oh, this is just the way that I'm going to be for the rest of my life and I think the inner voices start kicking in and there's this negativity and, yeah, I just say never, never give up hope, even if it could take a lifetime.
Speaker 1:You know, what I say, too, is everything that we've been, everything that you've tried, is leading you exactly where you are right now. So if you don't feel like it's helped you kind of like there's a quote, it's not a waste, what it's not wasted yeah, like there's a. There's a quote, I think it's Thomas Edison. Somebody asked him like, after he tried whatever 995 ways to build a light bulb, and he failed. And and somebody asked him like are you ways to build a light bulb? And he failed. And somebody asked him like are you discouraged that you continually fail in discovering how to make this invention? And he said, no, I just learned 995 ways how not to make a light bulb, and then, you know, on the 996th time he figured it out.
Speaker 1:And that's how I feel about healing too, is you've learned things and and, and it's not wasted. You've learned something. Whether you've learned this isn't the, the what's supporting me or you've learned this little tidbit that then led you to um Marblehead, natural healing. Like you, you learned these little pieces that lead you to exactly where you need to be in in the moment that you need it Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I'm into that right.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for coming on. I was so excited to have this conversation and and I I feel like I just we all have so much that we can learn from your wisdom and your experience, so thank you for sharing that today. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Thank you for finding me. It's my absolute pleasure.