Journey to Well
We are not created to do this healing journey or life alone. In fact, it was Bessle Van Der Kolk who expertly shared “healing happens in the presence of an empathic witness”. That is the heart of this podcast & my business : to witness. You can expect a plethora of conversations on nervous system regulation, breathwork, human design & astrology, cycle alignment, energy & spirituality work and so much more. We are all on a journey back home to ourselves, rediscovering our innate power within & I am thrilled to take this journey to well with you. be well xx
Journey to Well
The Body's Hidden Language: Body & Emotion Code | Emanuel Zevallos CECP, CBCP, CGEF, CHt
Join Emmanuel Zevallos, a Body Code and Emotion Code practitioner, 4/6 emotional generator, who opens up a fascinating world where energy healing meets logical analysis.
The most eye-opening revelation from this conversation for me might be that approximately 80% of our physical issues stem from emotional energies trapped within our bodies. Emmanuel explains how these emotions are produced by our organs and glands (like anger from the liver), and when they don't complete their natural processing cycle, they become trapped - sometimes for decades. Through applied kinesiology (muscle testing), these energies can be identified, dated, and released, often resolving long-standing problems that conventional medicine couldn't address.
Emmanuel approaches healing with a refreshingly simple philosophy: treating each person as family, with the tenderness and care you'd offer a sibling. This perspective transforms the therapeutic relationship, creating a space where true healing can occur without judgment.
Beyond individual healing, Emmanuel shares his passion for group work and creating healing communities. He offers listeners free resources, including Sunday healing sessions for families, highlighting his belief that healing extends beyond individuals to create more harmonious relationships and communities. His work combines energy healing with voice analysis technology with his wife, Jess, that identifies emotional patterns through voice frequencies, offering personalized solutions for emotional balance.
If you're feeling stuck in physical pain, emotional patterns, or life challenges, this episode offers a different path - one that honors your body's wisdom and taps into healing potentials you might never have considered. Take the first step by exploring what Emmanuel calls the core of all healing: truly discovering who you are beneath the programming, conditioning, and inherited emotions that may not even be yours.
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xx Hannah
Hello, welcome back to the podcast journey to well. So today I am very excited. This is someone that we've actually kind of been following each other on social media for a while and I got a body code session with you, so I'm very excited to talk to Emmanuel. He is a body and emotion code practitioner, regression hypnotherapist, and does a lot of work with group healing within groups all around the country, so super excited to dive into all of that.
Speaker 1:Right before we hit record, I was telling Emmanuel, I'm going to let you introduce yourself. And then I was kind of like actually this is why and I don't think I've talked about this on my podcast before but we can get very lost and stuck in the titles and our accolades and our trainings and our certifications and our schooling and all of those things which is super important to name, and that's why I kind of give the you know gist in the beginning. But what I'm really interested in and what I love when I'm on listening to a podcast is who is this person that I'm talking to, or who is this person that I'm listening to, Not just where did you go to school, when are you living, what certifications did you receive and training have you gone through. So, Emmanuel, I'm so excited to have you on the podcast. I'm going to turn it over to you to introduce yourself, however you would like to. Titles non-titles. Who is Emmanuel?
Speaker 2:Well, thank you so much for inviting me here. I'm so grateful for you and what you do. I was just complimenting you earlier about the breath work, and it's such a. Anything that helps people evolve, I feel is very sacred work, and so I just. There's probably countless stories of people that have shifted because of what you do, so I'm just grateful for what you do.
Speaker 2:For me introduction is I'm just another brother that loves people and I truly care. One of the things that my mother told me when she was a doctor she says that the difference between me and other doctors is that I treat people like they're living, not like they're dying. And she was an oncologist and she said, and she said that basically is what I believe makes the difference. And so when I work with people, I don't look at you as a stranger, I look at you as if you were a brother of mine or a sister of mine, and how much tenderness, care, compassion, empathy. You know what I have with you. If you were a sibling of mine, it'd be higher than it would just be a regular client who is looking for help. So that's kind of the mindset I have whenever I meet with anybody. That's why a lot of people when they see me, they feel kind of a nonjudgmental spirit about me, and it's because I'm looking at them like family, and so I think that's how I like to introduce myself.
Speaker 2:But to get technical, I guess, as you mentioned, I do emotion code, body code work, which is, you know, energy work. I love it because it's very logical and some energy work that I respect. All of them may look more esoteric because there's certain things they're doing with their hands, but you don't really know what they're doing. For me, I love knowing that there's trapped emotions in our body, that we can locate them logically through applied kinesiology, which is muscle testing and removing it from people. And my favorite part even is finding out what age that energy got stuck in, so you'll be able to recall certain memories and say, wow, that's when this happened. That's when this happened.
Speaker 2:So I do love that logical side too and I love bringing people to the past. I feel like we all do it in our daily lives. We are talking with someone, something triggers us and we take our mental time machine backwards to some trauma that makes us reactive and it's not really us anymore they're talking to. And so regression hypnotherapy caught my attention how we can go back in time and change the dialogue of what happened back there. So I'd also do that as well and, as I mentioned before, I love working with a collective group. When people come together and they all have very similar intentions, we tend to go in deeper into the subconscious than if we were just to go one-on-one client.
Speaker 1:Love that, love that. You know that I love talking about human design. So you are a four six sacral generator and that four line is is called the people person, and we can go into this later. But I just love that you highlight group work, because part of your human design profile actually is a lot of the biggest things that happen for you until you are through people that you know and creating community. I had a he's actually a real estate agent on my podcast, probably last year now, but he was the founder of a networking group that I was a part of for years in Jersey City and he has a four line too and I was like you have to have a four line before I even pulled his chart. So, anyway, the nerdy part of me in human design always tries to like figure out what people's human design is before I pull their charts.
Speaker 1:So I love that you also have a four line.
Speaker 1:But I love all of the work that you do and I love what your mom was saying about the treating them like they are living instead of dying, and treating people as humans and friends and family members and siblings. Because in a lot of healing work whether that's a medical, like Western healing work, like orthopedic doctor or physician right or a holistic healer people are coming to you and us feeling very broken and I mean I worked with you. There's parts of me that feel very broken and I deal with that and I kind of process through that. But to be approached with someone that you feel very connected to and loved and supported and really is looking at you as just this human and there's just some stuck emotions here that we need to work through or there's maybe some of that like the regression hypnotherapy, like maybe there's these younger versions of yourself that are showing up instead of you presently, versions of yourself that are showing up instead of you presently. I think that really does make a difference in the efficacy of your work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think what you were saying. To add to it is that one of the things that I feel is very pertinent is that if we could just kind of rewire our minds and know that like 80% of the physical issues you're dealing with are due to trapped emotions or emotions that we've stuffed in our bodies and you know, I was a professional stuffer myself pretty much my whole life, and so I would know that. You know, when you know men don't cry, and we live in a type of society where we're supposed to keep the emotions in. Interesting enough, in the body code, when I'm working with someone, there's always a 20% chance they might feel what they call an echo, and what's interesting is that the men that echo more are the ones that stuffed it down more. So what's happening is that they might feel the emotion a little bit stronger than normal when they're going after the healing process, and I have to let them know that that's what their body was trying to exude early on. But now, because you stuffed it, the only way to heal from it is to feel it now, in the present. But again, that's very rare, but it happens a lot with men, and so I do let them know that's called an echo.
Speaker 2:Just go take a walk, you know, go do some frizzy with your dog, go read a book, do something to kind of get you back in the Zen state. But I just I feel, knowing the way you started this podcast and about classifications, is that the more we find out more about our identity and who we really are, our life can be very, very different. And the power to go back in time in our mind, the power to remove these emotions that we're creating, it's like, again, just keep learning more about yourself, about how your body truly functions, and not with some, you know, not with, like white white coat syndrome told you that is the truth Because, again, they're not used to telling you that emotions got you to where you're at. But to get the full healing you need to know the actual culprit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when it's such a mindset shift to begin to process, okay, logically I might not know what's going on, or logically I might not remember, like we don't remember anything before we're two. Just like our brain is developing so quickly and processing so so much information that we, if you think that you remember something before you're two, typically it's like your parents telling you a story and you're like, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, that happened to me, you know. So we don't remember anything before we're two. But even very traumatic events and there's so much science behind this, I know, you know this but there's our body, our brain, kind of shuts down and forgets what trauma occurred, even in pregnancy and childbirth. We don't remember the woman like I don't know you probably can speak more eloquently about this but we forget the pain of childbirth because we're meant to reproduce and have more children and if we remembered how bad it was, truly we probably wouldn't have kids again. So, having that mindset shift from, having that mindset shift from, okay, maybe my mind doesn't remember this, but my body remembers it. And how can I learn that communication of my body? Because it's not going to speak in words, it's going to speak in sensations or pain or chronic problems or disease right, and learning that has truly shifted so much in my life and I am a chronic overthinker Like I can get so deep in my mind and my thoughts and overthinking things, and that's why I found Breathwork and learning and I kind of remind this to my clients in Breathwork Journeys is we don't even have to really get stuck in the story behind it, and I'm curious to hear your input on this because I don't know how this like aligns in your work, but how I always lead my breathwork journeys is we don't have to get stuck in the story.
Speaker 1:If your body is shaking a little bit, if you feel like you need to cry, if you feel like you need to scream, if you feel the sensation like in your elbow and you just need to kind of like shake it out or bounce it out and then you feel an emotion arise, let that emotion pass through, you Express however you need to express, but we don't need to get stuck in like oh, my elbow hurts because I broke it when I was 10 years old and but you know like we don't always need to get. So how does that show up in your work and what you do? Because I know you asked me a few questions and it's so interesting to remember, like what happened to you when you were six I think you said this like what happened to you when you were like six or seven years old, and I'm like this, like what happened to you when you're like six or seven years old and I'm like well, my parents got divorced at that age a big event, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um, this is so interesting because I used to have a mantra in our old practice it was called coding alternative and, um, it was like. It was like talk less, heal more, and that was so that. So it goes very much along with what you're saying. One of the things also I did notice too is that one of the major, the biggest wars or battles you will ever have sometimes is post therapy, let's say marriage counseling. They say the biggest battle happens on the drive home post the session.
Speaker 1:So the question is.
Speaker 2:The question is what's happening? Why does that happen? I thought it would neutralize certain things, but what's actually happening is that what that therapist doesn't know is that they're letting these energies bubble to the surface and there could be like it's almost like popcorn and the woman's doing it and the man's doing it and what she does is okay, great. I'm glad that we talked about this. Now go about your way and hopefully these things change. The problem is they're still bubbling and popping in the body and they're triggered or they're feeling a lot of anxiety. They want to fight or flight, and now they're stuck in a car together. So that's what I call like danger 101. You have to. I believe the future consists of having two rooms. There's the therapy room where someone can talk to you, but then the next room is a body code practitioner that can literally just say these words and say what energies and emotions came out or are now surfacing in your body. Can we release them now and then go ahead and start just a full on, as much as the body will release, and then let them leave, because at that point they can feel that peace or inner joy that they consciously receive, but subconsciously they feel like they're under attack, and so I think there is in the beginning.
Speaker 2:When I meet with someone new, I do like to kind of be very nitpicky about ages and emotions. As time goes on, they stop caring about that. They just want the symptom to go down, and so they want the pain to go down. They want to attract their soulmate, they want to make an extra comment in their bank account. It really doesn't really matter that much, but I still put it in anyway, just in case they get curious about. Oh, he put it down. It's like age seven. You know what was that? Oh, that was the divorce. So I do kind of allow them to like. They're the ones that choose in the end if they want to care about it or not, but I always do it just in case.
Speaker 1:Love that, Love that. So let's explain a little bit deeper what the body code, what the emotion code? I assume they're two different things. Can you kind of explain that? I personally feel like I've heard those words thrown out multiple times, kind of like human design. Before I became a human design guide I had heard it, you know, like it's just kind of like passing in the wind. So I've heard body code, emotion code quite a few times. I actually know a few people that are practitioners, but I've never dove in. I don't know that I could even explain it to someone even after you were working with me.
Speaker 2:No, it's so. It's very simple. So first of all, I'd like to mention that the person who created it was a chiropractor himself. His name is Dr Brad. He lives probably like 17 minutes away from me in St George, Utah Not that that matters, but and your besties.
Speaker 1:That does matter Okay.
Speaker 2:So him and I are pretty good friends, you know, but sometimes when I tell people I flew in his plane, people go like this guy's a show off. But it's like we were actually flying to some beautiful Native American territory to like help people with addictions. We weren't just going out to lollygag, you know. So we're trying to help out some beautiful people, but what happens is he. So what I love about him is that he has a connection with the creator, which is really important. You know, I feel like all healing kind of comes from above. You know, when we're just kind of conduits or one of the ways that he receives compliments of people, compliment him he's. He always responds. I just work down here and I love the way he answers that way. And one thing he said was and he would meet with a lot of clients, but he would always kind of pray or kind of just connect with above before he met with them. So he did it in private and he said that sometimes, like once in a blue moon, he would get these downloads where he like knew everything that was wrong with the person and how to fix it. And because he experienced that once or twice, he kind of like yeah, I think I should bet on that to do that more. But then he started having some very complicated cases and he's like I don't know how to help these people. I'm only a chiropractor, I can only do so much. And so then what he did is he started getting different downloads of how the body really works, and I thought for the longest time emotions came from the brain and some do.
Speaker 2:But our organs and glands are producing emotions all the time. So, for example, the liver produces anger, bitterness, guilt, hatred, resentment. We all know somebody who's too caffeinated or maybe drinks way too much alcohol or robotism not robotism, I'm just joking, but too much alcohol, too much caffeine, and their liver is kind of fatty, it's working extra hard, so it's easy for them to feel anger, bitterness, guilt, hatred and resentment. And so you've probably felt this before, hannah, where you're maybe very emotional one day, you're really sad, but then all of a sudden there's this sort of like cutoff time, like all of a sudden like something in your body tells you OK, that's enough crying, and it's like your waterworks kind of shuts down. So I've always wondered like what is that clock? Where is that clock that says enough being angry, enough being sad.
Speaker 2:But there's a better way to look at it. Think of it this way your body is producing these emotional energies the size of a tennis ball to a cantaloupe energies the size of a tennis ball to a cantaloupe and it processes through your skin and then it leaves the stratosphere of your skin. Once you've done that, you've quote unquote finished the cycle of the emotion or you've processed the emotion and so you don't feel that way anymore. That's why you'll even babies do all the time Like they'll be crying or whatever. And all of a sudden they're just like huh, they're just like I'm done crying time, like they'll be crying or whatever. And all of a sudden they're just like huh, they're just like I'm done crying. It's like they they process the emotion of crying or sadness or abandonment and um, but some of these emotions get stuck because they're very heavily compressed or for whatever reason. They just get stuck. They don't process properly and that's called the trapped emotion. Um, and we have hundreds of these.
Speaker 2:And the fact that you mentioned, you know, we don't remember much when we were two. You're so spot on. Our subconscious remembers everything before two and what would happen in the womb and what happened before the womb, which is kind of a cool topic to talk about, is kind of like who you were before you were born, and that is mentioned in the body code too. So through muscle testing if people are watching the video I'm just pushing down on my arm near my wrist area called applied kinesiology, and you can ask questions and then use a magnet on what they call the governing meridian, which goes from the upper lip to the back of your spine and it's basically the motherboard of all your meridians.
Speaker 2:And if you put a magnet on there with love and gratitude and you have the intention of releasing an emotion three times if it's yours, 10 times if it's inherited, then you have the ability to actually release it from someone and then you can muscle test again. Did we release that specific emotion? And your arm will actually confirm it by it being strong, and so that's how you do it. Now I obviously do it long distance, so I do it what they call via proxy, and so I do it on behalf of people. So I do self muscle testing and then I just use a magnet on myself and then release it from somebody else.
Speaker 1:Wow, so interesting. I have practiced muscle testing. My mom does energy work. She's trained in a different kind of energy work. Like you said, there's all different kinds, and so she's done muscle testing on me. We've also have you ever heard of like using your body as a pendulum.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, definitely yeah. So the sway test.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, yeah, so same thing. I prefer using that. I don't. I don't think that I muscle test myself well, but it's also just because I haven't practiced it. But I actually worked with a chiropractor that does neuroemotional technique and I'm curious after I finished saying what I'm going to say, I'm going to ask another question about that. But she did a bunch of muscle testing on me and I was just so it's so interesting, if you're listening and you've never tried muscle testing, go find someone and then someone that's very experienced in it Some chiropractors the kind that like don't crack you, they are typically trained in it or like body code, emotion code practitioners, and try it, because it's so interesting to feel like you physically just can't, you know.
Speaker 1:They'll kind of try to like pull your arm away in a way, like you kind of have your arm by your side and they'll pull it towards them and it's such an interesting experience to feel like that strength and that weakness. And anyway, my question about NET is what are the different? Have you heard of neuroemotional technique and, if so, what are the differences?
Speaker 2:Okay. So unfortunately I haven't heard of it. It sounds cool and you know, but, like I said, I'm not sure how that process goes. And again, there's many ways of releasing emotions. You can do it through prayer, you can do it through meditation, you could do it through your breath work that you do, theta healing, reiki healing there's so many different ways. Again, it's kind of like what do you prefer? And again, what I've noticed is kind of beautiful is that I've been very fortunate that as soon as I start working with others that are professionals in their field with Reiki or Theta, they always ask me what the crap are you using in regards to the charts? And I said I'm using, because at first they think I'm doing it intuitively. They're like are you just coming this up with your mind? And I said no, it's actually these charts that I'm saying left or right, top or bottom, left or right. I'm just like going through these charts with you and there's over 250 hyperlinks. So it is the complete takes care of the nervous system, circulatory system, spiritual body, aura, pathogens. I mean it's supposed to be like the complete thing.
Speaker 2:I mean I've helped people who couldn't read. They were dyslexic at age 19, did like one or two sessions she could read, for the first time ever, people who have fibromyalgia finding out that the major trauma that happened was her mom, who took away her baby when she just had her baby. And then I had to work my way back there and I kept finding age 19, what happened at age 19? And it was that trauma. So everything can relate to some specific trauma in their life and it's just kind of comforting to know, like, yeah, I knew that caused my issue. Right now, like I knew, but I didn't know it though that's the part that shocks them is like how would I know that age? How would I know that emotion that they felt?
Speaker 2:And it's not me I them is like how would I know that age? How would I know that emotion that they felt? And it's not me. I try not to say it's not me, it's really. Your subconscious records everything, every corner. You've turned, every tear you've dropped, every person you broke up with, every heartbreak, every person that's passed away. Your subconscious is recording it 24-7. And you don't have to remember. You can have complete amnesia and still benefit from a body code session, so you don't have to know anything as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is it which is so relieving? Because I've I'm someone that has done a lot of therapy and I love that example that you gave and I fully support sign me up for the therapy session and then going and working with a body code practitioner, because I've done that route for a long time and you can really rehash a lot of this trauma, the ones that you remember, and then maybe you remember as you're talking, you remember more. But to work with somebody that works in an energy field and learn that your body can again, your body can tell these things. The body can tell you or the practitioner what is going on and how to heal and how to release, and neuroemotional techniques sounds very, very similar, except she never used a magnet on me. So I'm curious what the magnet does. So I'm curious what the magnet does, yeah.
Speaker 2:The magnet is just so we look cool.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2:No, that's not the answer at all. No, the magnet. Actually, what it does is, if you think about it with a magnet, you see, if you were to put it on a hotel card, the hotel card wouldn't work. If you put it long enough on a computer and on the data board and things like that computer would have some issues functioning too. So it's the electric charge, and obviously you're trying to extract an emotional energy. But I feel like the real power though, and according to what my studies is, that it's love and it's gratitude. Those two are the greatest powers in your intention. So, technically and for your viewers, there's many ways to release the emotion. Besides doing the governing meridian Technically, to kind of make your brain kind of stretch out to a different planet and stratosphere is, you can just use your mind and say I'm swiping my head right now, or I'm swiping the governing meridian, and you can test it like wow, we got rid of it, so we don't have to do it. Also, the edge of your fingertips have a lot of charge. You can light up a whole city with the electric charge in your body. So you can just use the tip of your fingertips and do it as well. And on your ear is the Chinese acupuncture of a baby in utero. Technically, if you were to kind of rub the top of your ear to your bottom, that's like rubbing the back of the spine of your baby version of yourself. Um, the last one that I typically use is my middle finger, which in Korean acupuncture is the head and the spine. So when I was working with you, I was just doing this, and this is the same as if I was rubbing your back here in person, and so that whichever method really works is really cool.
Speaker 2:Back to muscle testing. If a really fun one that I like, there's a, there's an Asian one that I really like. I don't know if you've tried this. Maybe, hannah, you want to try it with me. So, with you like, pretend, like you just like found a ladybug and you're like holding onto her wing. You wouldn't like smush it too hard. Right, it's ladybug, and knowing you as a, as a peace person, you probably wouldn't even hold onto a ladybug, but you'd let the ladybug fly, right.
Speaker 2:There's a saying where it says if you like something, you, you, you pluck it out. If you, if you love it, leave it there, but anyway. So what you do is you you kind of just rub, of, just rub it like this, like your index finger over your thumb, and say in your mind, right now and I'm not going to say it so you can do it for yourself Okay, in your mind, just keep saying, like my name is Hannah, you know, and just keep spinning it. Right, you're just lightly going in. It should be pretty smooth, mm-hmm, pretty smooth. Right, okay, now go ahead and stop it. Okay Then, pretty smooth, right, okay, now go ahead and stop it. Okay, then say your name is bob, and then I want you to spin it.
Speaker 2:So if you notice it's just kind of a little bit stickier, like it's kind of not as smooth, you know it's very slight though and yeah, so so that is a negative on your body is giving you a negative response. So anytime you lie, it's a lie detector test. If you say, like I'm 13 years old, it'll be sticky, it won't be smooth. And so that's how you can go through the charts yourself and say, do I have a trapped emotion giving me a headache? And if it's smooth, then like cool, is it in column A or is it in column B?
Speaker 2:And you can, you can literally go on the emotion code chart yourself. The problem is a lot of people are nervous that they're being too biased and so that's why they hire people like myself who I don't know who you are and I have non-biasness and I've been doing it for 10 years. But people can, technically, if you buy the emotion code book forwarded by Tony Robbins. Technically, if you buy the emotion code book forwarded by Tony Robbins, you'd have all the information you need to do at least an emotion code session on yourself.
Speaker 1:I'm going to buy the book Love Tony Robbins. I actually went to UPW, I'm sure you have too.
Speaker 2:I haven't yet, but he never, he never forwards books and he forwarded the book and he actually invited Brad and Jean, his wife, to Fiji Island and him and his wife told them we believe you're visionaries of this earth and we bless your work. And his wife gave them a blessing and then he asked for him to work on all his whole team in the Fiji Island house.
Speaker 1:I believe it.
Speaker 2:That just says a lot about what they're doing, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Such a cool. I'm going to play with that and I totally agree. Again, coming from the overthinker, even when I pendulum myself sometimes I can get a little bit stuck in like should I be moving forward?
Speaker 2:Should I be?
Speaker 1:swaying forward. Should I be swaying back and really getting stuck? I'm going to share this example with you just because I feel like you would appreciate it, and it's a really great illustration of trusting your body. My mom and I play around all the time with energy work and you know all of the things. So, and I don't even remember like why we were talking about this, but we were kind of I believe it was food sensitivity or like loving food and hating food, and so she was like okay, write down three or four foods that you love and then three or four foods that you hate and fold them up so you can't see them, you don't know which paper you're holding up, and then you hold one up at a time.
Speaker 1:We work. How we work is we hold this piece of paper or we hold the thing up to your solar plexus, and so we one at a time. I held one paper up, swayed forward or back, so I put it in the yes or the no pile. If it's a sway forward, it's a yes for those that are listening. If it's a sway back, it's a yes for those that are listening.
Speaker 2:If it's a sway back, it's a no Kind of like the stickiness is a no Super non-biasness going on right now.
Speaker 1:Definitely. That's awesome, absolutely yeah, and when you take yourself out of it, right your mind out of it. So we did all eight. All four foods that I loved were swayed forward. All four were pushed back, as you can imagine, and it was just such a cool example like that was a moment that really clicked in my mind that this is not woo. I mean, I'm sure that it sounds very woo woo, but this is actually the intelligence of your body and we don't know, we're not taught how intelligent our bodies are and we're not taught that we can. I think here's a question for you, because this is how it is in my head. I think that we have these ideas that healing is very hard and it's very long and we're never fully healed and you know, like it's a long process and one of the things that, knowing you a little bit, that I do, it seems that it doesn't. You don't have that perspective that it doesn't have to be arduous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that I believe a lot of that stuff comes from early programming. Because, again back to the white coat syndrome, we've given our power to others and, like I said, there's nothing wrong with white coats, the for heroic feats, like heroic surgeries, that you know they're incredible. I mean, we have the best technology to be able to get your arm back in your socket and you know you wouldn't want a body code practitioner if your arm is on the ground. So it's like it seems like you're kind of upset that your arm is off. It's like probably not the best, but the thing is, and so there is a place. However, where they fail is preventative, and where they fail is almost analyzation of your personal lifestyle emotionally, physically, spiritually. Who are you being every single day that is creating this symptoms in your body? That's not where they really lean on and that's because there's no money in it for them. So it's an agenda.
Speaker 2:My parents are both doctors, so I know them, you know, so it's an agenda. My parents are both doctors, you know, so I know. You know oncologists and hematologists, I know how they think. But my mother, again, was just a little bit smarter than my father. I can just admit that I have proof of this. I have proof. You know, mom is probably smiling from up in heaven, but she tutored him, you know, in UCLA Medical School, and you don't do that unless you're kind of a little slower than the woman that you love, you know. So I hope my past is send this podcast to my dad to just kind of give him a little oomph. You know, in the stomach, but what?
Speaker 2:The thing that I noticed is that she was into you know when, when and whether she did this illegally or not in in Kaiser. She would take people back and be like hey, let me go test your urine and see your pH and what type of food are you eating, and do you live in a toxic environment? Do you live in a safe environment? If you don't change the things that your lifestyle, then what's going to happen is you will come back to my office again. See, that's a different doctor than the doctors that we're seeing nowadays that are just looking for a temporary band-aid to increase their residual income. And so I think it's so refreshing now that the reason why I feel like the holistic age is coming to, like it's trying to hit 2%, it's trying to like, you know, everyone's kind of leaning towards it. It's not because all of a sudden we woke up one day and said we should be awakened. It's because our, our baby boomers, were suffering. That this is, this is a fact. All the baby boomers that depended on the white coats failed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we, as children, saw them suffer. So we have no, we have no choice but to say that didn't work and I'm not going to buy into that, because it didn't work for my mom, didn't work for my dad and they suffered with health issues when they should have been healthy parents taking care of me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I think that really is pain what caused the awakening, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's true. I mean, that's my experience. I went to an orthopedic doctor and it was pretty much just pain meds, you know, and that was that was his answer, and actually the pain meds didn't even work for me. So you know, like it's just it was. It's incredibly frustrating and that is one of the reasons I just had a doctor of acupuncture and oriental medicine on my podcast and I said the same thing.
Speaker 1:That's one of the reasons that I started this podcast is to be able to learn from experts in their field and be able to introduce these other healing modalities. Whether you are in chronic pain, physical pain, emotional pain, spiritual pain, you just feel like you're stuck at this plateau in your life. It doesn't always have to be this huge pain and that's something you said preventative care, like what can I do for myself now that will serve my future self before I get to the point of a big diagnosis or medical diagnosis or a big issue in my life. And I am so thankful to have you on this podcast and have your expertise in this modality. That is so interesting and I love that you work virtually as well. I think that's also something that I had to get through my mind, but again, my mom does it, so I have a little bit of experience with it. But being able to work virtually and and being able to you and Jess and I would love to talk about Jess, your wife- yeah, she's amazing, I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2:Behind every good man is a surprised woman and she's just incredible. But basically, yeah, and I think she did an inner voice scan for you and one of the things that caught my attention is that, if I try to frame this right, you know if, if, if, if Rife there's a very famous like kind of physicist, rife, and like Tesla and like Einstein, all had a baby and made a device. Okay, this is how I'm going to. I'm going to kind of frame it. It would be that scanner she just used with you and I really feel like this is like technology from the future. I mean to be able to scan your voice and you have 8,000 frequencies coming from your voice and it's telling you which emotions you overuse, which ones you suppress, and how it's affecting your body, sending you like a nine page, 10 page readout. Then, not only that, we all know that binaural beats are really good to balance the brain, but you go on YouTube and you'll find very non-personal audios that are not really for your emotional ecosystem, and so I love this. This is very personalized Through your 8,000 frequencies. The scanner is like okay, this is how I balance this out.
Speaker 2:She has problems with being perfectionist or unconditional love. She tends to lean towards perfectionism. This note A sharp will lean her towards unconditional love, and if she listens to this for 15 minutes, you're actually self-regulating yourself, and that's something that we do not have Usually. I feel all of us, me included is we tend to go into tantrum and we don't self-regulate ourselves. And this machine, when you listen to the audio, it's almost like you're calming your inner child and saying they're there, it's okay, and that's really where tantrums come from is really inner child issues. But how do we? Do we let it out and punch our husband? Do we like kick the cat? You know, what do we do? And I think the answer is you have to go inward and be like put on headphones, let the beats, balance your brain out and you come out a better person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was so interesting to get my report. I mean it all, it all makes sense, kind of like when we're listening to human design stuff. But my, I'm gonna read mine just just so you can kind of get an idea. You gave one example, but my like keywords were fear versus confident, repetitive thinking versus creative thinking which is so valid for me, creative thinking, which is so valid for me, suppressed emotion versus self-expression and conditional love versus unconditional love. And then it has, you know, obviously, yeah, there's maybe it's like 15 pages or something, I don't know how long it was, but it has this really beautiful breakdown.
Speaker 1:And here's the thing I am healthily skeptical of all of these things and I think that we should be skeptical of everything. We should be skeptical of what our doctor tells us to do. We should be skeptical of our human design chart. We should be skeptical because when we're skeptical, we are. When we're openly skeptical, we're curious and we're really open to how is this actually reacting in my body, versus someone telling me how it should be reacting. So when Jess sent me the audio clips, which I love, that there's like different music that you can listen to.
Speaker 1:And there's the beats, like there's so much there.
Speaker 1:But I played, I woke up and I was just kind of in a funk, just like how we sometimes are, and my back was hurting because that's what I'm dealing with.
Speaker 1:And I played one of the upbeat beats and I listened to it for like 5-10 minutes and I was just kind of going about my day or my morning and then I just kind of found myself like dancing which I don't really dance unless I'm like happy and in a really good mood and pain free and all the things and I found myself kind of like bopping to the music and dancing around and then I turned the music off when, about my day and maybe an hour later I was like was like, oh, my back really doesn't hurt as much as when I woke up, and it's that kind of I'm saying it's skepticism like just try it without this expectation of this is going to heal me or this is going to fix me, like let me just try it and see what happens.
Speaker 1:It's literally listening to music or literally just like popping on a call with you and try it and then see how you feel, versus again coming in with this like, oh, this is definitely not going to work. And kind of going back to your mind thing, you said, like you can kind of imagine that you're swiping over your governing meridian. Our minds are so powerful, so can I just open my mind.
Speaker 2:And you know what? One of my favorite quotes it sounds kind of funny when I say it, but it's one of my favorite quotes by T Harv Eker, secrets of the Millionaire Mind. He said you're either right or you're rich, but you can't be both. And what that reminds me of is that a lot of our family and friends, unfortunately, love to be right. This is like their addiction to be right.
Speaker 2:But then they're not really winning in the area that they're right in. So if they're like all about like health and health and health, but it's like they're diabetic, it's like, okay, wait. Like a health and health and health, but it's like they're diabetic, it's like, okay, wait, how does that work, you know? And so my, when I read that book, I found what I was looking for is like, look, this is a great thing. You should all tell yourselves whoever's listening to this podcast, and maybe it's helping someone out is what has what I believe is right has gotten me here, and I'm not happy with certain areas of my life, so I need to choose to be wrong so I can get there, and it's something that I just it's not easy to do, but just think about it, all the things that, like you think you know everything. This is your life. Look around you. Do you like it? Do you like every area of it? If not, there are so many places you can be wrong in so that you can be rich, and that's kind of like.
Speaker 2:So, after age 26, I actually went on a hunt to like look for things that I'm wrong in, and that's not a normal thing to do, in fact. In fact, in my journal I write KQE, which stands keep questioning everything. And it's something that I keep writing from time to time in my journal because I'm like if this is real truth, I should be able to stomp on it, slap it, throw it around and do everything, and it'll still be there. If I have fear that it's not truth, then I'm not going to probe it. So the question is is like go back to all the truths. You know when was the last time you probed it?
Speaker 2:And so that kind of again opens up your mind a little bit, and one time I'll tell you this really funny story. There was this woman that introduced me to her husband and he showed up on a zoom call. I don't do zoom calls anymore, um, but the he showed up there and he had his arms crossed, legs crossed, eyes crossed, hair crossed, ears crossed, and he was just looking at me and I just was very blunt. I'm the kind of guy that just likes to just put attention to the grill in the room and I just say I'm going to guess that your wife forced you to meet with me and he's like he's like, yeah, and I'm like, and you don't even know what I do he's like nope, and I'm like, and you probably don't even want to be here, he's like nope.
Speaker 2:But then this is what I said to him and it and, by the way, that guy, I actually worked on his Achilles area and I lowered his pain down from like an eight to a two within like 15 minutes. And that's how. That's how men bond. I'll tell you that straight, straightforward. Men bond when pain goes down, because that's the thing that bothers them the most is just physical pain, and they don't know who to cry to, they don't know who to get a hug from, and I'm the guy. I'm the guy that's looking for them. But what's interesting is that I told him this. I said do you know why this will work for you today? And he's like no, why? I'm like? Because you showed up, and if you had, if this tells me that you have a mustard seed of faith, and that's all I need to move a mountain. And so I told him that and he stayed, and then I worked on him and then his I started working with him and his family.
Speaker 1:Wow, thank you for sharing that story. And isn't it so true? We just need a mustard seed sometimes. Sometimes we just need that little, that little twing, that little pain of. Maybe this could help me. Maybe this is something I truly do believe that universe, god, our body, whatever you want to call it like something, guides you to where you, where you need to be, and maybe landing on this podcast is exactly where you need to be. And hearing what you heard because we don't always soak up everything that's being said, but hearing what you heard is exactly what you need to be hearing right now, in this moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'll even add this one more thing too If anyone's listening to this podcast and you happen to have a piece of paper, it's kind of cool to draw this down on a piece of paper. What we're very good at is we're very quick at judging something and putting it in a box and then putting it away. We're actually professionals at doing that. The problem is that it's closing opportunities for you, and the things that I used to call a scam when I was younger have liberated my life more than ever. You know, I used to.
Speaker 2:I used to rag on religion, you know, but I don't do that anymore and I've I've opened up my mind to different faiths and it's changed me. I used to rag on people who work from home and be like, oh, you guys are in a pyramid scam, but then my wife is like a top person in one of those home-based businesses. It's changed her life. So think about another kind of cool little challenge for you. What are you making fun of right now? That really would be one of the biggest gates to change your life.
Speaker 2:But anyway, what I wanted to say was draw in a piece of paper, draw like an ear, draw a book, draw a group of people together and basically oh, and then draw an eyeball. Okay, and one of the things that I tell people is that if you are, if there is something worth looking into and you're very healthily skeptical, go through these four funnels before making your judgment. Number one is when people say, oh, no, I don't believe in body code, blah, blah, blah. And this is what I would tell them and I would start with the eyeball. I would say you haven't seen what I've seen.
Speaker 2:And then I would go with the ear, I would say you haven't heard what I've heard. And then the book is you haven't read what I've read. And then you haven't met the people that I've met. And if you go through those four funnels, you'll probably become a believer in the body code. But until then, unfortunately, you're making too soon of a judgment and you're actually stagnating your growth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow. And how many things do we do that? With how many practices can we go through and say I haven't seen, I haven't seen.
Speaker 1:I haven't heard, I haven't read, I haven't worked with these kinds of people or I haven't been surrounded with these kinds of people, and and what would happen if I do? And what do you have to lose? Okay, so it doesn't do anything, and that's what my mom always says. She's like you know, when you take a medication to help your fibromyalgia, they have all of these side effects that are going to. You're going to have at least one side effect, because that's like synthetic medication. You're just going to have side effects with energy work. She's like the worst that's going to happen is you just don't really feel any different.
Speaker 2:Like the worst that's going to happen is you just don't really feel any different.
Speaker 1:The best that's going to happen is that you feel incredibly different and you feel better, and you feel more vibrant or awake or what I mean whatever. You are going to feel less pain. So that, yeah, and that's what I really love about these healing, more holistic healing modalities is there's really no side effects besides feeling good, hopefully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they say that there's nothing. I think Brad said this once. I think he said something like there's nothing to lose except for trapped emotions. So I'll take that from him. But yeah, your mom is very wise, very wise words.
Speaker 2:And the thing is is, again, you do have to put in the work, the consistency to meet with your practitioner. I meet with clients once a week. I have I don't usually typically share this, but like there were two people that had the C word, let's just say like C cell and but basically like, yeah, after a few sessions they didn't have that C word anymore. I mean, it's. I haven't even spoken to them on the phone yet, like even when it was gone, we've only emailed each other, you know.
Speaker 2:And so the future is here right now, and the future is we have to return back to how our spiritual ancestors used to heal their bodies. The only reason why we've again had to go through a period of time where medication was the deal is just because the world will do that. It will find ways to kind of disempower you and that you're not that powerful, you're not a son of the creator. It's trying to push this false identity on you. That's why there's fluoride in the water. If you think about it, that closes our pineal gland. What is the greatest connection to the creator and to ourselves? As having our pineal gland decalcified? So it's just that point alone is like, why, if, if the government was so for us, why is that in the water right there? Like they would, probably they should provide this amazing Adam and Eve water that goes through there, that makes you number one younger and then decalcifies your pineal gland.
Speaker 2:But no, it's something that lowers your identity and we become drones, we just become these uh kind of zombies and um, so again, just, you know I can go that's a whole nother seminar that I won't go into um, you know, like, like, why do they take away all these um, very um, you know, um, basically drugs, to expand the mind back in the 50s and 60s. It's like now look at the revival of that coming now with ayahuasca and all these different things. But they were saying that was bad and put some sort of criminal law against it. So, again, if you keep looking at the history of what government shuts down, it's everything anti-identity, it's not pro-identity. So just be aware of, like, find people that are liberated in where you are, in some section in your life and then follow them. There's a saying that says people listen or you buy someone's opinion, you buy their lifestyle. So the question is, who have you been buying that? Maybe you do not want their lifestyle and kind of start changing that, those group of people that you listen to?
Speaker 1:Wow, amen. So I'd like to share two things about your human design chart and then I have a final question for you. So I did mention your human design profile. Uh, so I did mention your human design profile, the the four, six line, which we have two different lines and they're kind of two different personality characteristics. Our profile is our personality, so how our personality comes out in this world, and so the the cool thing that I wanted to share about the four lines specifically being the people.
Speaker 1:Person is, like I said earlier, the biggest opportunities and the most growth that four lines experience in this life tends to be through people they know or groups that they know. So like maybe you met your wife you know through a mutual friend, or maybe you met Brad or you were introduced to the emotion code through a mutual friend or something like that. Also absolutely love that you do group work and I see that with a lot of four lines not all four lines, but a lot of four lines tend to really capture the importance of group work and networking and community, which is really fun. Four lines tend to be very safe in their transitions, so if they can help it obviously not all transitions you can plan, but like moving from job to job or relationship to relationship or even physically moving your house, like you might find that you have to really know, like if we're imagining you're jumping from one rock platform to another, you have to see that rock platform before you make the final jump. Versus myself, I'm a one three profile, so I'm kind of that like just try it and see what happens just jump without the parachute um
Speaker 1:so that's the four line. The other thing that I was looking at your chart that I thought was really cool is we have all of these energy centers. Do you know the chakra system? Yeah, so it roughly um pulls. It mirrors the chakra system, except we have nine energy centers in human design, seven chakras traditionally.
Speaker 1:So one of the energy centers is our emotional center, it's our solar plexus, which is the emotional center in human design and all of our centers we either have, like if you see a picture of your human design chart, you'll see like a colored in triangle up here or a white triangle like kind of where your nose and chin would be, and colored in and not colored in means you're a defined center or it's an undefined center.
Speaker 1:If it's not colored in, there's also all these numbers around your center and if you have none of those numbers colored in, it's called an open center. It's completely open and you have one completely open center which is your emotion center. And what I teach in human design, what I have learned and what I truly believe, is that our open centers, if we have an open center, that is what we are created to learn and process and like alchemize in our life and my open center I have one also is I have an open root center. So really learning like grounding, how to come back to myself, how to stay grounded it's really important for me to ground, so seeing yours as the emotional solar reflexes is the only open one. I just love that you are in the emotion code and your whole life journey is about really releasing emotions and alchemizing your emotions and your emotional journey and that just really reflects in your human design chart. So I had to point that out.
Speaker 2:That's really interesting. I feel like I feel vulnerable, yeah, like you know, like it's, it's cool to that. You know, I'm also very big into numerology as well and there's so much, there's so much truth in regards to certain dates and certain times. You know I was, I was a friend of mine who I'm good friends with. He's into numerology and he's like I'm like my birthday's like 28 and he's like 28. It's a very kind of like affluent number. You know a lot of, uh, very like a lot of kings, a lot of royalty, like they actually purposely somehow move dates for people to be born, like they like I don't know if it's like a force uh a baby to come out or whatever like on the 28th on purpose, wow, yeah, so I thought that was really fascinating. You naturally came out on the 28th. He's like so that's, that's really interesting, because you should never worry about like having lack and and so, and also a famous actor that he works with too. He was also on the 28th too. So I thought that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 1:So cool yeah. So many things to learn. I need to learn more about numerology. Last question, actually before last question where can people follow up with you? Where can people learn more from you and maybe even schedule a call with you?
Speaker 2:So the best way is I have a platform that my wife and I created back on Earth Day I don't know if it was three years ago or two years ago, but it was on Earth Day, that's when we launched it and it's called haveempathyandlovecom and basically I wanted to do a platform where people can talk about anything they want to.
Speaker 2:No one's going to ban you, because that was happening to all my cool holistic friends on Facebook. They would come out of Facebook. I'm back, you know, and so I just was like man, what like? They're really screening us and we're like providing really good information, and so for people who love holistic health or they provide holistic health, have empathy and love is the place to go and it's free to join, and so in there you can find me. You can just inbox me and say hey, you know, I heard your podcast with Hannah and I can offer you a free session. If you've never done the body code before with me, I do offer a complimentary session for you one person in the household, and then also I do announcements on my group healings there too, so you can kind of stay updated. And, and the last thing is, on Sundays, you get a free healing for you and your family.
Speaker 2:So I really care about this idea called Zion, which is like one heart, one mind and just for families to be united, a place so spiritual that the creator, if it did come, the career did come down. It wouldn't be to do work with you, it'd be like just to rest with you and to like enjoy your company. And so I'm I'm very big on that big picture of Zion homes and so on Sundays I was kind of given this information from above is like never charge for this Sunday grounding healing that goes from 8am to 8pm, and I've never charged ever. So it's kind of like it's just free for the family. The spouse gets healing, the kid gets healing, everyone in that home does. So you get 52 healings a year just for being there on that platform. So yeah, that's. The best place to find me is haveempathyandlovecom. Or if that voice scan sounds interesting to you with my wife, which she does, you with my wife, which she does, you can always inbox her.
Speaker 1:Her name is Jessica Zavaios and you can just inbox her when you get to heal Love that, yeah, highly recommend trying the the voice scan as well. It's very a cool experience and really fun to listen to. All right, emmanuel. Last question If you're standing on a platform and you had a minute to share any message in the world, what would you share?
Speaker 2:Take some time to learn about how deep you truly are. If we're created in the image of the creator, doesn't it make sense for us to examine who we really are? Whether, again, it's regression hypnotherapy, whether it's energy healing, whether it's group healing, or whatever you do is to make sure that you make you like finding out who you really are as a priority, and then everything else in your life just starts to work out. It's sometimes you have to go into the cave and then just kind of do your healing and then come out differently, and I honor that. Wherever you are, whoever's listening, if you're struggling with an addiction, if you're struggling with relationships, if you're struggling with money, just know that it's probably not all. Those energies are even yours. You probably absorbed it, you probably inherited it. That's good news for you. That's like be easy on yourself and just do the healing and then you can change your life in a year.
Speaker 1:That has been such a truth in my life. The more and more that I've learned about myself and how I am created and what works for me and what doesn't work for me, the more life just flows, the happier I've been, the more confident, but not that forced confidence.
Speaker 2:You know there's a difference.
Speaker 1:The less that I care about what other people think, and so many things, so many benefits. You're never going to lose. Learning about yourself. You'll never lose, thank you. Thank you so much for coming on. It was such a beautiful conversation. I appreciate your time. Thank you, thank you so much for coming on. It was such a beautiful conversation. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me here.