Digital Organizing & ADHD: A Conversation with Shawn Lemon (Part 1)

Shawn is the founder of The Digital Organizer and has spent the last 17 years helping individuals and businesses get better at using their technology. A teacher at heart, Shawn believes the biggest reason people struggle with their tech is because of a lack of understanding of the tools, which isn't surprising because they're constantly changing as technology advances. When not helping businesses operate more efficiently, Shawn loves making pottery, riding motorcycles, and spending time with his wife, Madeline and their 2 year old son, Nico.

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In this episode of 'Organizing an ADHD Brain,' host Megs expresses gratitude towards her audience and introduces Sean Lemon, the digital organizer and recent ADHD diagnosis recipient. They explore methods for organizing digital spaces, such as declaring email bankruptcy, the importance of unsubscribing, and implementing effective systems. Sean emphasizes the importance of constraints and creativity in managing ADHD, discussing systems, tools, and strategies to navigate email and project management effectively. Part one sets the stage for a deeper dive in part two, scheduled for release on Wednesday.

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02:49 Introducing Sean Lemon
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12:19 Digital Organization Tips
16:40 Email Management Strategies
29:37 Concluding Thoughts and Next Steps

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Hey, beautiful people. Welcome back to organizing an ADHD brain. I'm your host Megs and I am so excited that you're here. First, I just want to thank you so much for all of you that have been signing up for the dopamine menu and leaving me little messages. I just can't tell you how much that means to me. I was in tears this last week just with all of the gratitude being sent my way and it's so incredibly appreciated building this podcast and building my business has been one of the hardest things I've ever done in my entire life, especially with ADHD and trying to limit the amount of things that I'm doing on a regular basis. Your little messages and even just saying, thank you. I didn't even know that I needed that and it has meant so much to me. If you haven't grabbed the dopamine menu yet, just go to organizing and ADHD, brain. com. There's a little banner there that says, get your free guide. You click on it, you enter your information and it's sent right over to you with a video, how to, and how to use your dopamine menu. On a side note, I think it was last week or two weeks ago, I talked about using the dopamine menu to not be on your phone as much, to use it in place of your phone. And I feel like that's so much easier said than done. I had this really grandiose plan in my head on how we were going to do it. And as I'm trying to implement this in my own life, It has not taken off so fast. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to continue to keep you updated on how I'm using it, but keep it in the back of your mind. How much are you truly using your phone? And the first thing I would challenge you to do this week is take a look at your screen time. I don't know how to do it on an Android phone, but if you go to settings on your phone and then look up screen time. You should see the amount of time that you're spending on your phone every single day. And just for some perspective, can you imagine if you spent even half or a quarter of that time decluttering your home and getting it into a position where you want it to be, This week in the Organizing an ADHD Brain community, we're having our monthly group coaching session. It is one of my favorite things that we do. If you can't make it, all of the sessions are recorded, and I post those in the group. So if you're ready to join a community who is interested in decluttering and also has ADHD, so some common themes, come check out the community. It's 27 a month. I tried to make it as affordable as possible so that It really made sense for those of you who weren't ready to jump into coaching, but we're absolutely ready to have a little bit more of a reminder in your life of why this is important. In addition to the podcast, of course I'm super pumped about our guest today, Sean Lemon. is the digital organizer. And it's funny because when we first started talking about doing an interview, I had no idea he had ADHD. I actually just asked him on the podcast. Cause I ask everyone and I tell everyone that I'm going to ask them. And he had just found out that he had ADHD five weeks prior to the recording. And we recorded this, I think last month or the month before sometime, but I'm really excited for you to hear some of the insights. I broke this up into a part one and a part two, just because it was a little lengthy and I really want you to soak in some of the incredible information he has to provide to us when it comes to organizing your digital space. I learned a ton from this and I'm really excited about the tools that he's provided us as well. Part two will be dropped on Wednesday morning so stay tuned make sure that you're following the podcast because that'll make it easier for you to Get all of the notifications when the podcast is dropped. I also really enjoy how Candid Sean is about his diagnosis, what his journey has been like his medicinal journey as well. And honestly, the way that people with ADHD are so comfortable talking about their diagnosis, what they're doing, whether they're on medicine or not has been fascinating. And I love that people are so open and honest about it because guess what? Everyone is so incredibly different about what works and what doesn't work for them, making it totally okay for you to figure out what works and what doesn't work for you. And that's what's important. All of our bodies are different. Actually, I was away this weekend and I was with a friend at one point she said, our bodies are like one big chemistry experiment. Okay, let's go ahead and jump in and I'll do a little summary at the end as well. Bye.

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Welcome back to organizing an ADHD brain. I am so excited to be joined by Sean from the Digital Organizer. We have so much to talk about when it comes to ADHD and organization, not only in our physical spaces, but of course, In the digital age that we live in, there's so much to organize. So thank you so much for joining me today, Sean. My goodness. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to talk to you. Heck yeah. Well, tell us a little bit about you. Yeah. So, my name is Sean Lemon. I started this about 11 years ago after working at the Apple store for seven years, teaching people how to use their tech. And it was probably ADHD people who are getting this data transfer from their PC onto the Mac. They bought this membership to learn how to use the computer. They sit down with me and their mess from the PC got transferred onto the Mac. And they couldn't even really start learning because of all of the chaos. And all these people just were coming to me wanting big messes fixed. And eventually I started this and, you know, been doing it for the past 11 years. Wow. That's awesome. And I love a good Mac computer. I have to say I tried to go to PC for a little bit because it was cheaper and I was like, this will make sense. And when I tried editing my podcast on it, I was like, What is this world that I'm living in and why am I continuing to try to live in it? And the amount of stuff you have to do to get it up and running to do what you want is just crazy out of the box. And Mac just got almost everything you need. So, yeah, I'm, I'm a Mac guy all the way. Mm hmm. Ditto right here. Oh my gosh. Cool. Okay. Now, did you originally go into the business to be a digital organizer or what did you initially intend when you started your business? Yeah, I saw the need for organization and that's why I started this. It was the moonlighting for a long time. And so then I finally built up my side business enough and it was all about organizing. But when I first started, people aren't as interested in organization as they are. Fixing a broken computer. So I got recommended a lot because someone had a broken computer. And so my in for organizing was, Hey, I've got this machine. It's not working well. And I would upgrade it and do the technical work. And then we would organize when we put the data back on the computer. That's how I kind of get get them on that path. But it. Pulled me more and more into the tech world for a long time. While my focus still was on organization to make ends meet, I had to do tech work a lot of times and got sidetracked and doing all kinds of stuff and then ended up really coming back to only digital organization and stopping everything else three years ago. And yeah, we've just been going full on with this since. Oh my gosh. Well, I feel like there are millions of people in the world that need your services and you can't possibly help all of them. But if you're listening to this, everybody go see Sean to get help with the digital organization. I've got so many questions when it comes to like getting yourself organized in this digital age. But first tell us, do you have ADHD? I do. And I just found out like five weeks ago started the assessment process. So I had that first session and normally there's a lot that goes into it and right away she's like, yeah. we got something going on here. And so she went ahead and, prescribed me Wellbutrin and I started on that. And four weeks later, we met up again and did some more assessments and everything. I guess such an, an eye opener and a relief to me to realize, Oh, there's a reason why I've struggled so hard with some of these things and why I've had to create so many systems. plus the medication is really helping. It's nice. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I can't even imagine what that journey has been like for you. what made you start to look into getting a diagnosis? so I, I started going to a new therapist and, I've been in the past, but haven't done anything for a while. And just hit a point where it's like, I really need to talk to someone, especially about some of the struggles that I've had in business and why it's been so hard for me to execute on specific parts of it. so I started talking to someone and she's like, man, I think you're neurodivergent like so much of what you're describing sounds like exactly how my brain thinks and that's not normal. so she hooked me up with a psychiatrist and it's like, why don't you go in? Get a test and see because if that's actually the case, then some medication can really be life changing for you. And so I've done that and yeah, it's, it's started to make an impact. Oh, that's so cool. Thank you so much for being vulnerable and sharing your journey with that. Because I think For so much of us. I mean, I remember when I got diagnosed, I was like, no way. There's no way. I didn't think so either. It was always my brother. Cause he was the one who was hyper. He was the one like who had more attention issues and I still did. now taking the assessments, like when you were a child, what about this? What about this? I'm like, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And then as the pressure has mounted and more responsibilities have been added to my plate. I've realized, yeah, that's, that's just a, an exaggeration of what I experienced as a child, but mine's more the inattentive, not actual hyperactive. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And you mentioned systems and I love that you bring that up because I think part of us, like we love the idea of systems and working with something that's going to support us living our life. Yeah. But on a completely other level, we're like, no systems. Like we just want to live our life floating in this world of time blindness and living in the void, so to speak. So how have systems and then of course your digital organization business helped you live your life? Better now knowing that you have ADHD, of course. there's a saying that I've heard a long time ago and I've always stuck with it and found it to be so true in my life. And that's constraints breed creativity. so, while I love just going in all different directions, solving problems, time blind, do my own thing, if I have an objective that I need to hit, if I have a goal or things that I'm responsible for, then I can't just do that. the only way that I can make sure that I show up on time is by living and dying by the calendar. And it's setting up a Setting up a schedule in Calendly so that things don't get booked when I'm not available and creating an ideal week so that. Only certain types of appointments are here and I'm, I'm blocking out other time there because without it, things won't get done. I have to put my keys on the ring. I have to put my wallet in the same spot or, you know, I'm not going to be able to find it. And I cling to systems now to make sure that things that are important to me get done and then. I can be creative within that space or that time or whatever is dedicated for that day. Yeah, that's really cool. So when it comes to the digital organizing process, where do you start with people? I'm thinking back to the story you're telling of people taking their mess of a computer full of data and putting it on a Mac. And I'm just like, Yikes, right? Like I could do physical spaces all day long, but that is a whole nother world. Where do you start? You know, no matter what topic we're going to hit, it always starts with discovery and figuring out what is here. Why is it there? How did it get here? and trying to get a narrative behind the whole thing and then find out what's working and what's not because we've all created some of these different accounts, for a reason. So what was that? And is it actually doing its job? so we can know where to pivot from there. discovery and planning after that, it's always consolidation. You got to get everything in one place so that then we can purge. And after we purge, we archive. And after we archive, then we reorganize. And then we rename, you know, if we're talking about files, emails, you know, we need to pick a cutoff point and then be able to focus in on one particular piece that's actually accomplishable. discovery, consolidation, and then we can go from there. So if someone is just feeling super overwhelmed with their desktop or their email or anything that's overwhelming to you, do you work with people one on one? Yeah. We do everything one on one. So whether it's individual or with, an organization. So sometimes it's, you know, a team or something, but yeah, we work with people one on one, a great place to actually find a starting point to figure out what should I tackle first, not just. what's the process of getting something under control would be to go to our website and take the, how organized are you quiz? And so we have the four main categories that we help people with, which is email files, passwords, and project management. and it asks you a bunch of questions of really how effective it is to organize and. Find what you're looking for, whether it's email files, you know, passwords and things like that, and seeing your score can help you figure out where you should start. And if you're still not sure after that, start with email. From there, if you want to talk to us, then, I'd be happy to have a call and see if it's a good fit, you know, to, to actually work together and get some help. That's cool. I love that you tackle the idea of project management too. Just like the lack of executive function that we have, I think it's so crucial to understand how to manage a project and how to be able to break it down into super small increments, things that we can handle versus trying to take it on in one day, because that's what I used to do. Oh, organize my home. Yeah. Easy. I'll take a weekend and let's get this done. Right. My computer is the same. I'll just, I just need to take a, a couple hours and we'll get it done. But that's not necessarily the case. No, unfortunately, it's not. So if you want to take on bigger projects, you got to figure out how to do it. And project management is, a really difficult one for so many people. And it was always a big struggle for me and still is. If anything is the weakest part, Of my system. It's always project management because I want to do everything immediately in one sitting and not pace it out and keep track of a long project and day in and day out work on the same thing. I hate it. even making decisions. I don't love making decisions. So I try and help other people or have other people in my life to. Pick certain things for me and, discern which one should be the starting place for a marketing project or whatever it is. so yeah, it's a big piece and it's part of the big three of what we deal with every day digitally. That's communication, file storage or creation and handling the tasks, managing the tasks that we need to do. that's why email is a good starting place. We're getting communication through there. We're getting files through there. And it's also a to do list that anyone can populate. So it needs to be part of the puzzle when we're looking at our organization system. that's really interesting. I have so many questions to ask you from here. Let's talk about email for a second, in the past, I have also struggled with email and I know that one thing that I started to do is just go through and unsubscribe from everything because. It just gets so overwhelming. where do you start when it comes to email specifically? let me start by saying I'm going to give you, if you want, if anyone wants this, I can give you a series of videos that will walk you through this. So I'm going to talk through it so you can get an idea. And if it's something that you actually want, you can download the free resource. It should be in the show notes. So download that free resource. And then I'm going to send you some emails with videos on how to do this. Cool. The first thing is we need to declare email bankruptcy. You got to realize, isn't that good? We can't organize 12, 000 emails. You know, and go through them and purge them. And a lot of people just want to get in and start organizing. And it's like, Oh no, all this needs to be taken care of. It is not worth it. The amount of time it takes to do something like that. That's a to do list that everyone else is populating. I mean, it's, it's ridiculous. So we got to pick a cutoff date and say. Everything after 30 days, or you choose the day, let's archive it. We're not going to delete it. You can search for it. You can find it. The thing is, you can't browse through 12, 000 emails anyway. You're going to have to search, so let's just get them out of the inbox. So once we're down to, say, 30 days worth of email, then we go in and start unsubscribing and we need to wait for that page to load because you may be unsubscribing from one list out of 12 you've been added to. So we need to make sure we're completely off that list. That's why people don't think that unsubscribing works. In most cases, it does. And in some cases, the company has two different types of email marketing systems. So you got off of one, but they haven't connected them and unsubscribed you from the other one. So it will work if you actually unsubscribe. Wow. Yeah. We want to turn down the noise. Like you're saying, like the, the subscriptions turned down that noise. What I think is so cool is that there's a lot of parallels when it comes to organizing your physical space too, right? Like in some cases, my clients need to declare clutter bankruptcy, right? It's too much. You've got to start making some decisions and getting it out of there. So I love the idea of archiving everything older than 30 days. That's fascinating. And thank you for the videos. Yes, show notes. we will link everything down below. That's really cool. Yeah, so once we declared email bankruptcy, we've stopped the tide or slowed the tide of marketing emails coming in, then we have an accomplishable goal of deleting things that we don't need. Archiving things that are taken care of or don't need a response. And now we're just left with a much, much smaller set of emails that need to be triaged. Which is, what is all this stuff? Can I answer it right away? Answer it. If you can't answer it right away, when can you do it? When is a good time to do this? And snooze it. For the time that it's better. So Monday's my admin day. So if I've got something that needs, administrative and it's just, you know, nothing time sensitive, it gets snoozed for Monday morning so that it pops back up once I'm done with my planning, then I go in and, you know, check and see, what do I need to do email wise? What's on my list in Asana and can just knock some stuff out. That's how people get to inbox zero. If you think that this is. Not possible, you're right in that you can't just answer every single email immediately that comes in at you, we need to talk to our spouse about, you know, do we even want to go to this party, or whatever it is so we can snooze things and some people use a folder system. I don't particularly like folder systems because out ADHD years. Let's have it pop back into the inbox when it's appropriate. I love that too because, I find when I'm working with business owners specifically, it's like the email continuously distracts us from what's actually pivotal in running our business and like getting stuff done. And so we think that we have to always be in our email and answering things because. If we see it and don't answer it right away, and now it's no longer a new email, it gets lost forever. And so with that being the case, people are constantly in their email, getting distracted from focusing on marketing or focusing on building their clientele in different ways. And I know that. at least in the personal space too, we're getting so many marketing emails and inundating with all of this information that it feels like there's not even a place that you can start I have a favorite yoga place that I like to get emails from, but at the same time, I also know I'm trying to cut back on finances. And so it's like this toss up of, do I delete the email and unsubscribe? So I don't see them. And now I'm never going to remember that they exist or do I keep it, but then I might spend more money. I don't know. There's so many, things that we have to work through when it comes to having ADHD, getting excited about a lot of things. I mean, Even coming back to, do we want to go to the party or not? I think something that I struggle with is saying yes to everything before truly analyzing what I have in front of me and, and blocking that time for myself, one of the greatest things and gifts to myself I ever gave was blocking Mondays off. So I love that you do that too. And so if you are someone who has ADHD and needs some time block off your Mondays, because that's going to be huge. Yeah, we have to give ourselves more time and it's still so hard for me. I go in phases where I'm better at it sometimes than others. And you know, the, the best time was when I had a couple of people doing administrative stuff for me and, also creating some curriculum for us. And they got to a point where they were trying to help me get into project management, email files, passwords on lock. Perfect project management horrible and just using it consistently and I would reach out to people in a bunch of different ways to assign things and it was like, hey, got to go back to Asana, got to go back to Asana and then I started using it and then we were blocking out times. So, first thing, check Asana, after lunch, check Asana, then check email, and if you've cleared out the inbox, and you've cleared out the things that are assigned to you for today, you're done. Go take a nap until your next block about something else, and it was, do not do the next task if it's not assigned to you today. If it's not for today, don't do it. It just completely changed my life. yeah, yeah. Something like that can be really great. I, I really love that. And I like for, for everyone listening to, I think that we're at a level two where we've worked up to this point because I think You've got to remember that you've got to start somewhere. I'm trying to think of a good example. like I used to download an app and think it was going to be the solution to everything in my life. and I'm a certified project manager. I was getting my master's degree in project management. And still, when I would download a project management app, it was still a huge learning curve for me because I had to learn the tech of it and I had to learn how it could work for me instead of in the corporate setting, because now I'm working for myself and then I'm also managing like different projects in my own home life. And so that was fascinating for me, but. You know, one thing I think is really interesting about managing your life, not only in the digital space, but physical space as well, is sometimes putting it down on paper first is a good place to start to understand what's going to work for you. And then you can start to find these automations and ways to elevate it and take it one step higher. Because I use project management software now and I'm still getting used to it after a couple months, and it's a game changer, but I would never be where I am without the baby steps to get there without starting from somewhere incredibly simple. So that I could build upon it. I really appreciate what you're saying there, because also, even if we're good at it, we're gonna have days where we totally suck at it because we're dysregulated. We have other competing priorities. We're trying to do everything at once. And we have to remind ourselves that it's okay to just do one thing and just focus on one thing in this moment, because that's what matters. Yeah, because we want to do it all. Yeah. Yeah. Progress over perfection and, and just keep working toward it. I often have to anchor myself with paper, even though I'm very, very good digitally. Sometimes it just feels overwhelming and I need to anchor and just use paper to write this stuff out and it is absolutely, something that you grow into, you know, anyone working with us, it's like, okay, what, what do I start with and Where is project management? So once I start talking about it and how it can be a really life changing thing or business changing thing, people want to jump to it. But it's like, we can't start with project management because we have to get the foundations done right. We have to realize that email is somewhat a little bit project management. A lot of people are using it for long as project management and it's not a great thing for it. We need to get email back to a communication tool. We need to get a good file structure so that we can find anything that we need and stop filing away emails. you get an attachment that you need to save. It goes into our folder structure and we archive the email. We don't need to save that in any sort of folder. I'm actually against those types of folders. And then once we figured out our communication and our files next. Is tasks and we really need to start small because it's about consistency, not features and sophistication and automation. You can't automate until you've figured out the system. What are you automating? Oh, that's brilliant. That's really cool. So after you get email situated and you have rules and, and you know where things are going, what's next, okay, now I'm ready to work on my files or, or do you let people pick or, or do you recommend where they go to next based on what you've learned about them? Because it sounds like you're asking questions, you're understanding their lifestyle, what they need, things like that. Yeah. Yeah, so their needs really drive it, and it's also what's appropriate next. So, typically, I want the starting point to be the area that is driving the most anxiety, and wasting the most time, so we can bring down the level of anxiety, think more clearly, have more time to then snowball into the next thing. we can start with email or files. Both those are a good start. We can even start with passwords. if whichever one is, is causing the most stress and then we move on to the next. Most often it's email, then files, then passwords and project management after that. That's cool. And I, I have to say like getting my passwords in order. it's one of the best things I could have done for myself. I would avoid doing something because I didn't know the password up here. I was like, I don't feel like guessing the password. So I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know the password. I'm just going to avoid doing that task. I got so many other things I want to do besides this. Anyway, I'm not going to do that. And so finally, I sat down and started to input things into a password manager. And it, it was awful at first, it was overwhelming. It felt tedious. I felt like I didn't know what I was doing. And once I did it, it, it was the best thing I could have ever done for myself. And I think sometimes. I've noticed even more that even if something promises to make my life easier, if it's going to put me in this state of feeling really uncomfortable at first, I avoid it. And so I'm like, let me do the harder thing until it gets so hard that I get to the point that I have no choice but to change it. And then when I was trying to get my husband on board too, I saw him experiencing, I was like, I promise you it's so worth it on the other side. And now we function so well now we have access to all the things that we could possibly need that are password protected.

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And that was part one of this incredible interview with Shawn Lemon. I can't wait for you to listen to part two. part two is even juicier with some incredible nuggets of information. So first go to the show notes, check out Shawn's website, the digital organizer. com. In addition to that, check out some of the tools that he's provided to us, for email management. One of the phrases Sean said today was Constraints breed creativity. And I thought it was so powerful, so cool because there are a lot of constraints that we put on ourselves that are put on us because of how our brain works. But it breeds creativity in the way that we figure out how to work with our brain instead of against it. Now, some of us are still trying to figure it out. That's okay. But I loved that phrase and I just wanted to reiterate it because It's true. Constraint breeds creativity. Another thing he said that really resonated with me is you can't organize 12, 000 emails, even if you tried to, you're just organizing a lot of clutter, kind of like with our homes, we've got to be able to declutter and get things out of there that don't need to be put in a home that don't need to live in our house anymore. Before we can truly organize and get things in a space where we can find them again. And there's no one out there that needs 12, 000 emails. There's not one argument out there for having 12, 000 emails. You cannot convince me. I like how he talked about declaring email bankruptcy. I thought that was a really powerful statement. Thought it was so interesting when he was talking about unsubscribing from emails and that you may have to unsubscribe in multiple places in order for you to truly be removed from a list. That was fascinating to me. And how freaking annoying is that? I've already done the thing and now you want me to do the thing again so that I don't get more emails? That's frustrating. That presents another barrier to us being able to create more room in our lives. And I love that there's people out there that can educate us on some of the things that we need to know about so that we can make more effective decisions. In gaining control of this craziness that can sometimes be our digital landscape. Thanks so much for tuning into this first episode of the interview with Sean. I'm so excited to come back to it on Wednesday. If you're ready to join the community, go to organizingadhdbrain. com forward slash community. It's 27 a month. Like I said, We have our monthly group coaching session this Friday, so I can't wait to see you there. if you are ready for more one on one support I'm starting to book up spots for the month of April. Book a call with me in the show notes below, or go to organizinganadhdbrain. com, click on coaching, and you'll find out a little bit more about the program that I offer. Regardless, shoot me an email if you have any additional questions. If you're not ready to talk on the phone, I'm always just ready to have the conversation. On another note, some of you have been asking about the PDF download for the to do list that I've talked about in previous episodes. That's something I do have available in the community as a download, and it pairs along with an episode on scheduling that I did. Months ago now, but it's how I plan my schedule on a regular basis. I still love to put pen to paper it helps bring clarity to my day and helps me understand How to put things into my project management software so that I know I'm working on the right stuff each day I have considered making it a download on the website for a very low cost. So if you're not ready to join the community, but you are interested in that, feel free to let me know. And when it's available again, I'm so happy to let you know. Thank you so much for tuning in and again, thank you all for your kind and beautiful supportive messages. thank you so much for telling me how much this podcast means to you because it means so much to me. I hope you have an amazing day. I'll see you again on Wednesday.