Digital Organizing & ADHD: A Conversation with Shawn Lemon (Part 2)

Shawn is the founder of The Digital Organizer and has spent the last 17 years helping individuals and businesses get better at using their technology. A teacher at heart, Shawn believes the biggest reason people struggle with their tech is because of a lack of understanding of the tools, which isn't surprising because they're constantly changing as technology advances. When not helping businesses operate more efficiently, Shawn loves making pottery, riding motorcycles, and spending time with his wife, Madeline and their 2 year old son, Nico.

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DashLane: Password Manager

In this episode, the host continues an engaging conversation with Shawn Lemon, a digital organizing expert. The discussion highlights various strategies to tackle digital clutter, such as the use of password managers and project management tools. Shawn emphasizes the importance of setting up systems rather than relying on quick fixes, comparing digital organization to organizing a physical space. The episode also touches on handling unfinished projects and the significance of planning and breaking tasks into manageable steps. Key resources and tools, including a detailed file organization guide and email drip systems, are shared to assist listeners in better managing their digital environments. Listeners are encouraged to adopt a systematic approach to organization, ultimately transforming their productivity and reducing overwhelm in both their personal and professional lives. The conversation wraps up with insights on the ever-evolving digital landscape, advocating for consistency and adaptability in organizational strategies.

00:51 Understanding Time Management and Boundaries

01:38 Breaking Down Tasks and Themes

02:59 The Importance of Password Managers

04:22 Digital vs. Physical Organization

09:35 Customizing Organizational Systems

15:58 Project Management and Goal Setting

21:17 The Evolution of Digital Organization

27:32 Final Thoughts and Resources

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Transcript

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Hey everyone, welcome back to organizing an ADHD brain and the second part of the interview I did with Shawn Lemon. He is the digital organizer and you can go download some of his free tools at the digital organizer. com forward slash ADHD brain. The tools are delivered kind of like in a drip system. So you get an initial email with a video. It shows you how to do some things and then you'll continue to get some videos on how to do things moving forward. I've learned so much just in this conversation, not only about the parallels to organizing our physical spaces, but also, just the systems that are involved in our life when it comes to this stuff. We want so much to have a quick fix or to have it all or nothing at all. And then because we can't have it all at once, we often don't make the changes that we are seeking to make in our life because we want it done now. I talked last week about your schedule and trying to manage everything. And because we're time blind, we often don't take the time to take a look at our schedule to see if we can fit something else in. We just say yes and assume that we can make it work. I'm reading a book right now called set boundaries, find peace. And there was a piece in it this morning. I read that was about time boundaries and I absolutely struggle with time boundaries because I think I can do it all and I genuinely want to do it all, but when I do that, I burn out. And then I get into this state of feeling like I need a break from the world for weeks to a month, but I can't do that because, I've committed myself to so much. So to build on what we did last week in writing down all of the different things that you're doing that are on your brain, instead of trying to keep it all on your brain, I want you to go back to that list and start to break it up into themes. What are the things that you're doing for your kids? What are the things that you're doing for your home? what are you doing for business? What are you doing for Your job? What are you doing for you? Do you have any time for you on that list? from there we'll continue to build upon that list, but think about where's all your time going? Where is all this time and energy going? And what are those common themes in your life? And does this support some of the bigger dreams that you have, the goals you have for the future and where you see yourself in a year, three years, five years, maybe you've never thought about where you want to see yourself in three years or five years, and that's okay too. Where do you see yourself in one month? Maybe you think about it that way. Do you see yourself a week from now? Something that really helps me break down some of the time management aspects when I have so much going on in my brain is what's one thing I could do right now that would allow me to disconnect for the rest of the night? What's one thing I could do right now that will allow me to be able to be present with my kids? What's one more thing I could do so that I can go on and do something that's truly going to elevate my life and allow me to thrive instead of just focus on surviving. Also in this episode today, we talk about passwords and I love my password manager. I use Dashlane. I'm going to drop a link in the show notes below and Sean uses one password and he said in the episode, as long as you find what works for you, figure that out and go from there. It takes a little bit of work to set it up, but oh my gosh. The barriers that are sometimes in my way from not knowing a password generally speaking I could easily go to a website guess the password. It's not gonna be it and then I say, okay Forgot password, go through the steps, create a new password. Maybe it's the same as my old password or I change it by one digit, but now I have that somewhere in the back of my head, or I think my computer saving it for me, but I probably didn't do it right. Right. All of that. Those steps are so tedious and mundane that it would prevent me from logging in to check something that was important or to do an important task on my list. I would avoid it because the stupid password was in my way. I can't tell you how incredible it has been to have a password manager. It was so incredibly annoying to set up. I'm going to give you that. It was so annoying. I had to force myself through it and sit through the uncomfortable. But as soon as I got through it, Oh my gosh. My life is so much easier on the other side. All right, let's dive right back into this episode. We are talking about being uncomfortable and getting into a space where you do start to make the changes, whether it's the digital life or the physical life, let's jump in.

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I just got finished reading the book, let them by Mel Robbins. And she talks about that state of being uncomfortable, right? you're uncomfortable living the life that you're living until you get to the point that it is so uncomfortable, but you know, you have to be even more uncomfortable to get to this other side. that's the point at which people start to work with either me or you, you're at the point where you know, you can't live like this anymore. And so now it's going to be even more uncomfortable for you to make that change and get over this hump. is that what you find is, is most of the people that you're working with, they're just like, I can't live like this anymore. Help me. It's very often. there's the rare person. It's like, Oh, I heard you on this podcast or whatever. And, I thought this was cool. So, book a call and see, I'm pretty organized and, we're just looking to get better and optimize those are few and far between. You got to be in pain to do this, especially to pay someone for something that feels it. So simple. It's just email. It's just putting files in folders. No, it's not. It's how your brain thinks it's it's stopping and realizing that we actually need to learn what these systems are and design it because we're living in a digital house that's got 13 bedrooms and you're having to pick which room you want to sleep in every night and you've got your toothbrush in this bathroom and then your hairbrush and another bathroom. And all your products are spread out all over the place. That's how people are living digitally. We have to figure out what the master plan is and then design it around how our brains think. You were talking about designing physical spaces and how digital spaces are so similar. And that's something that I'm constantly trying to get the word out to people is we want to think about our digital spaces like a physical one like a workshop. Where you use a certain set of tools and you go to a certain part of the workshop to do each different type of thing. So I do pottery, there are defined stages and defined tools that I use. So, I don't use a notes app. Because I take notes in context. So if I have a call with someone, say, if you call me, to talk about working, then you go into a document is created automatically in my client's folder under folder called prospects, and it's named appropriately. So I just open it up. And start working I'm not going to take notes somewhere else because when you say yes to working with me and hit accept sign the contract, then I need to save that contract somewhere. I want everything. When I'm working with you to be together so that I'm ready to work on it, and I'm not having to go to 15 different places to find what I'm looking for. So everything is designed in context, so it's very easy to find what I'm looking for, and it's not, is this here or is this there? what's really cool is I, I talk about a lot, asking yourself the question, if I were going to look for this item, where would I go to look for it first? And I didn't even consider to think about that in the digital space until I was actually working with a digital organizer one day, and she had mentioned something along those lines, and I was like. The parallels are like, it's so simple, right? But like, sometimes we're just so focused on everything making logical sense. And for us to already know that, but sometimes it's the simplest things that make the most sense. And so now when I'm working with a client or when I'm trying to work through my own home spaces. Sometimes I'm thinking about, well, what should this be called? Except then I'm like, whoa, what would I want to call it? If I were trying to look for this item, what would I call this folder and what would I look under? And I'm still navigating that space. Cause I'm making it up as I go along. But. I think it's just fascinating to start to put some of those tools in this digital space too, because a lot of them can carry over. Totally. So much of it carries over, and then it's just realizing we've got recurring things, you know, there's just more like departmental stuff, HR or whatever, and then we have projects. So it's figuring out how those things kind of go together and, Part of this, I actually talk about file naming and folder structures and, and how you should really kind of think about this from a conceptual level as well as how should you name your files in the first place. So that download that I was talking about earlier, it's in that file organization guide. So I detail it out and write about this and then I have a video and then demo it in our system of how, you know. This is project based. And this is things that just need to be done every time. And we have got resources. So how do we lay this stuff out so that it's very easy? there's some great resources there. If, it's like a five minute video or something, I bet it helped you to, to figure out how to navigate your older structure a little bit better. Yeah. I love that. Anything to elevate. And I'm curious as you're working with clients, whether they're ADHD or not, do you find that, you know, what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for the next person and so on? As you ask questions, as you understand the way someone works, tell me a little bit about that. Yeah. So It can be really different. There's a lot of common themes, but some people just think differently than others, and they have their own way of going about things and what they do together at the same time. So, you know, we have to learn what that context is for part of the process or your life to really make a better suggestion of how to really customize it for you. So they're very much the same principles, just applied differently. And then, organizing in spaces or creating shortcuts in the spaces that people operate out of most to be able to get to where they need to go, which might be somewhere else. So, yeah, it can be very different. That's why we actually don't do any work for people. We only do it with them because I don't know how you work. How can, how can I make a system, a truly reliable system for you that I built? Knowing nothing about your life or just, or if I interview you and work with you a little bit, you know, an 80 20 rule, there's so much nuance in the end. I did that and people kept coming back to me. So we've got to customize it and go through the whole process together. I, I started out when I was in person organizing more. When I first started, I would go in and organize spaces for people. And as I was doing it, I was like, this feels weird. It's just strange. I have so many questions about how they operate in this space. When I was asking other professional organizers, they were like, yeah, I mean, it just depends on the person. And if I go in and organize the space, the biggest frustration is coming back and seeing that it, it doesn't stay the same. And I'm like, well, of course it doesn't stay the same. You have no idea how they live their life. And so it's asking questions. It's understanding, the different needs of people. And so, I love that you work with people because I've never seen. Where like you can go in and just simply organize for someone and it just immediately makes sense, at least for people with ADHD because our brains work a certain way. I talked to someone months ago now, but they were like, we keep our dresser in the dining room because we don't want to wake each other up in the morning. And so it makes more sense for when we're putting things away. And when we wake up at 4am, we can go get dressed in the dining room. That's just what works for us. your version of getting dressed in the dining room could mean that you have a certain file folder that you keep in a very strange place because that's what makes sense in your brain. You have some sort of neurological connection that just makes sense and that's what works for you and that's how it has to work for you. Totally. Yep. 100%. That's cool. Okay, so what is your favorite thing to conquer when it comes to digital organization? Passwords. Nice. Why? It's just so life changing. When you go from struggling every day, trying to get into logins in and out, if you're working on a team, having to juggle two step verification, text messages, going to, to other people or to contractors you've hired, it's just, it's just really difficult. That's the one thing that I could not live without, passwords wise. seeing that implemented for the first time and blowing people's minds that you can actually save all of this and save the two step verification code. So, you know, it just fills it in for you and you never have to pull your phone out and then get distracted. It's pretty cool. Project management would be a close second though. Cause I mean, when you, when you get serious about organization, that's where it just takes off. Yeah. It's so cool. And it's fascinating what we are able to accomplish when we have a little bit of a plan behind us. And we have tools that support us in getting past those little barriers that have previously held us back. And I just thank you so much for being vulnerable about learning about ADHD and some of the struggles that you have had and like why some of the things you haven't been able to get done. It makes so much sense when you start to understand your brain and we're not broken. It's just that we have to go about it a different way and set up things like password managers to remember all that other crap for us so that we can get through it and pass that. What's your, what's your favorite password manager? One password. Okay, cool. Yeah. Awesome. So it's for you listening. The number one and then the word password right after it. I, most people I talked to use last pass. It is so much prettier than last pass, easier to use. You can integrate the two step verification codes, whereas you can't in last pass, at least currently. it'll probably come around at some point, but, and they've just been hacked so many times. Yeah, I got a lot of people who like, Keeper and OneNote or not OneNote, Dashlane, but I use Dashlane. Yeah, cool. and I think like, no matter what you choose, I mean, like, yeah, check out the ones that have been hacked because that's huge. But other than that, like, figure out what works for you. And I don't think you can go wrong with it as long as it's, As you're feeling comfortable, but I love that that does two step verification. That's really cool. You can do that in Dashlane too now. So it's, it's not nearly as obvious as it is in one password, how to do it. But, it's, it's totally doable and easy once you figure out how it works. just to echo what you said. It's more important getting started and using it consistently than trying to find the perfect one or using the one that I use. Consistency, and then once you get really comfortable with it, you can always export your stuff from one and get it into another if you feel like jumping ship. That's one thing that we really want to avoid is, is jumping ship and trying to chase after the new app over and over again. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You know, I have one thing that, that might be interesting for your listeners. the first five years of my business, I kept all of my projects really small. So I only took on things that I could accomplish in a day because I just, I knew that I wouldn't be interested or would have a hard time keeping track of everything. and I started using. A project manager is using a sauna and actually I had other things before that, but eventually I settled on a sauna and I'm putting all of these things in there and project management and even goal setting just became such a big trigger for me because of the trail. Of unfinished projects behind me, mostly all in the marketing world. And it was just so painful not finishing things and getting so close to the finish line and then thinking, Oh, I've got a better idea or there's something else that that's, you know, makes this irrelevant and it really wasn't true. I just didn't know how to get that last 10 or 20 percent done and it wasn't easy enough. And so I abandoned it, but. Once I started doing project management really well and having someone help me with it, and I only did the tasks that were assigned that day and gave myself some margin, and could breathe and really focus and concentrate and was living a much more calm life, we accomplished in multiples anything that I had ever done in the past by doing less. And just focusing on a few things that we're going to accomplish throughout the year. And they made such a huge impact that it, it just blew my mind. And it's like, okay, you have to do less to do more and give yourself space and stop trying to tackle it all because it's just a world of hurt. You know, it's profound that you say that I, I went to a planning conference earlier this year. Often project managers do that. They'll go to like a PI conference where you sit and you plan everything for the rest of the year. It's great. And when you're on your own or you're just managing your life, your home life, you don't often sit down and actually plan out what you can literally get done. And because we're time blind, we think that we can do everything. And then we start doing something and we keep taking on more and more and more, but this was a really fascinating opportunity for me because I planned out some of the bigger goals I had for the year, started to break them up into smaller but still bigger goals, and then started to plan my day to day. And as I was doing that, I got really overwhelmed because I realized I had too many goals for the year, and then I got pissed off because I still wanted to do every single one of them and didn't want to let them go. it's hard to say no, because we get excited about so many things. I got that feedback in the corporate world. But that is a prime example on how we can burn out on how we can take ourselves a level down. So what a beautiful piece of advice that you've given, and I need to hear it as well, even though I'm preaching on it, too, is that even though we want to, accomplish the world, we want to get so much done. It's about those baby steps. It's about breaking it up into small tasks, and it's about understanding what you can truly achieve in a day. And not like trying to fit it all into a day. It's about checking off four or five things or maybe even three things and saying, I did it. Knowing that that is going to add up to something so much bigger. I even like in my first year of business, I think my family just thought I was sitting around all day, waiting for people to come work with me or like, what do you even do? And I'm like, I'm doing 8 million things, but everything I'm doing now I knew would pay off in six to eight months timeframe. And I think that's about, you know, like just waiting, like understanding that patience is going to get you so much further than trying to accomplish something in a day. So that's, thanks for reminding us of that. Yeah, absolutely. I'm definitely passionate about it and love to share that and just say take a deep breath and realize you can get so much more done if you just chill and if you can have somebody in your life who can help you to make those decisions because It just it still loves overwhelms me to pick and choose when I've got tons of different options I'm the one usually giving options discovering sorting and then saying, what do you want to do from here? I have someone in my life to help me with that. I often go to my husband sometimes when I've made decisions all day in my business, and then I have to make decisions on the kids. I'm like, I would actually really love if you could make this decision for me right now. Can you decide? And then I'll go with whatever you say. Look, that'll feel really great because sometimes it can get overwhelming. I'm curious. you said you've been doing this 11 years now, starting in Apple. How have you seen the digital landscape change over the last 11 years? Not only with the organization space, but just like where we've come from and where we're going. That's a man. That's a big question. I got hired really at the Apple store in 2007 for the original iPhone launch. I mean, the amount of stuff that's happened in those 18 years, or I guess maybe 17 and a half years at this point, it's just, it's just mind blowing. But typically what happens is you get some new technology and it's sent out to consumers. And then consumers adopt it and then they build business tools out of it. And then they just launch it and nobody really realizes why you should upgrade and then. as more and more features are added and you're getting recommendations from your friends for all of these different apps, then it just becomes totally overwhelming. And it's like the frog in the pot. And then you hit this boiling point, like, Oh my gosh, it's totally overwhelming. But there have been a lot of issues that have arisen in. Ownership and in, in the types of accounts that we, have, like Google drive, for example, if you use my drive to collaborate with someone on a project, anything that, that the other person puts in your folder, they still own. So if you hire a contractor and they created an email address specifically for working with people, and then they decide to stop doing it and they delete that account, they delete all the files that they created for you, even though they're still in your folder, they just disappear. So there's stuff like that that has happened that there's education and marketing pushes these solutions so hard of what You know, what's possible and, and this is going to change your life. And, apps don't change your life. systems change your life when you do them consistently. And that system can be applied to anything. and then AI is just, that's the thing that's just kind of flipped everything. But in the end, it still needs to be directed. We still have to know what we're trying to accomplish in order to use this tool in the first place. But then they're still not coming with manuals and you need to figure it out. So instead of what's different, what has stayed the same is. If it's important to you, we've got to slow down, learn it, attack it as a project. And that's what we do is, is we say, we don't need to work with you for a year. It's maybe a month, it may be three, let's overhaul and then you just do it from here. But we have to sit down and figure out what that system is, because it's just the landscape is exploding. And yet people are just more distracted and less productive than ever. What I think is really interesting and what you're saying there too is, is people want a quick fix. People want the solution. They want what they're selling as like, this is going to be. A game changer. It's going to change your entire life and unless you're ready to sit there and learn it and really, truly understand and break it down and be really bad at it at first, it's not going to change your life. And it's the same thing. And I'm going to I love the parallels here. So phenomenal because it's the same thing when it comes to organizational tools. You go to the container store and you're like, Oh, if only I had endless amounts of money to buy all of these containers, my life would be so organized, except that that's not the way it works. If you buy all the containers. What's really going to happen is they're going to sit there in a space in your home until you finally get the will to, put something in a container. But without a system and understanding what goes in the container and how to use it to make your life easier, it's not a solution. I have so many apps on my phone that I've downloaded that I don't use. And when I go to people's homes, they have so many containers that they have in a pile somewhere that they don't use because it's not a solution to the problem. There's so much more that we can achieve when we set up those systems and figure out really, truly what's going to make our life easier. And then those things become a tool that elevate what we have been working towards. But I love the way that you talk about a vision to knowing what you're actually trying to achieve. Like what's not working? What do you want to work for you? And what are you striving towards? So thanks for painting that picture. I think that's brilliant. Absolutely. Cool. Oh my gosh. Well, Sean, this has been so awesome. I could probably talk to you for another couple hours about this stuff because there's so much. That goes into it and, we're so privileged to have you here and to just give us that new perspective on how to handle our digital space. How can people find you? Well, first off, thank you for having me. And it's real, it's a real honor to be talking to you all. the digital organizer. com slash ADHD brain is the best place to start because that's going to take you to the file organization guide. And I'm going to tell you where the containers are, how to use the containers and give you examples so that you can organize your space. And then we'll give you the emails and everything like that. during that you, you can check out the digital organizer. com. You can book a call with me if you want to. There's the quiz that you can take as well. So explore in there, but go get that guide. And, You know, implement it. It is not hard to do. It's very easy. This is something that you can accomplish and it's broken up into bite sized chunks. It's like, okay, here's your next milestone. Go do that now. Celebrate. Great. We've got everything consolidated. You've done your job for today. Now we'll come back tomorrow and do the next part. That's really cool. Awesome. Well, thank you so much. Thanks for the tools. I'm so excited for people to work with you. And, yeah, thanks for joining us today. Thank you.

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Thanks so much for hanging out with me in this second half of an incredible interview with Sean Lemon from The Digital Organizer. Just reinforcing that message about passwords. If you have not set up your password manager yet, Put it on the list. I know maybe you won't get to it this month or next month or three months from now, but it is absolutely worth it and something that you'll spend a little bit of time on and then it will make the rest of your life easier. So if you can prioritize it, definitely do it. one thing that is, is difficult with our brains is we have all these great ideas and we know we can do it right. Like in general, you know that you can go and set up a password manager and it's going to be annoying, but you can do it. But we sometimes have these things on our to do list and we'll avoid it because we don't always know all of the elements involved and that could be a barrier. So ask yourself, what is the barrier to getting it done? Sometimes it's a money barrier. Sometimes it's a, I don't know how to barrier. And sometimes it's a time barrier and you're prioritizing something else over this. And then we also just genuinely forget, we just have so many other things. We procrastinate doing this. So we forget to do the things that could make our life easier. So think about a trigger the next time you go to log in and you forget your password or you don't have it saved and you have to go reset it. That's your trigger to go look up one of these password managers so that you can have your life feeling so much easier again. It keeps you protected, it creates really strong passwords so you're not using the same one over again, This is something I can totally get behind you spending money on. It is worth it. Okay, let's talk a little bit more about Sean. So I love the way that he talks about a trail of unfinished projects. Raise your hand if you can relate. I bet all of you are raising your hands. We have all started projects that we have not finished before and part of it is because we get so excited about it in the beginning and then our hyper focus is gone. We don't have that same dopamine effect to get us back into the project. So it feels like more work to actually try to do it again. So coming up with a way to break it down into the smallest tasks imaginable to get it done. Is a game changer. if you have something on your to do list that says finish this project, you are going to avoid that all day long because there's so many little tasks that go into finishing that project. When I was working with my career coach, one of her phrases was slow down to get ahead. And I love how Sean says, do less to do more. And it's incredible coming back to filling up your to do list and thinking about all the things that you're doing in a day. People are always trying to figure out like what's the next productivity hack? How could I possibly do more? What's the next thing that I could do to make this easier to do? How could I fit more into my day? How could I be more productive? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're training yourself to be burnt out. Like you're training yourself to be in this go go go mode all the time. I've trained myself to be that way. It's not been until more recently that I've started to put more boundaries on my time and what I can actually get done. And I talked about schedule management in a podcast episode earlier last year and how I plan my day. And one of the things I do is I pick just six things I want to complete and then what does that look like on a calendar and is it actually realistic? And because I started doing that practice, it helped me understand what I was truly capable of and what I was just really trying to squeeze in. And it's funny because even when I would see on a calendar that it wasn't going to work out, I would still try to do it until I failed miserably and then had to move on. And Remind myself you are not capable of doing this. You've got to make the mistakes in order to get to the next step. No matter how much I tell you something You've got to keep doing the things to teach you the lessons that you really need to learn for yourself And that's okay And then the last thing sean said that I thought was beautiful and I couldn't agree more is that apps don't change your life Your systems change your life an organizing tool doesn't change your life Systems change your life understanding how you work changes your life. It's not this magic tool that's going to make it all better for you. And you'll, you're going to figure it out. So if you want Sean's tools, go to the digital organizer. com forward slash ADHD brain, sign up for his email and you'll get a. He describes it like a drip system of amazing information so that you can start to get a handle on your digital organization. And if you want to work with him, go work with him because it's going to make your life a little bit easier. He's going to help you understand your space, your space, not just a generic space, but how to understand your space. in a way that's going to help you run more efficiently. If you're ready to tackle your physical space, come join me in my community. We have our group coaching session this Friday. It's 27 a month. We not only do body doubling sessions, we do digital decluttering sessions. We have group Q and a's, and there's a bunch of PDF downloads that I have created for you to access. And as of right now, I believe I only have three more. slots starting in April for people to work with me. So if you would like to work with me one on one for coaching and you're super interested in taking the next step on seeing how you can declutter your life and your brain, then reach out to me. my booking calendar is in the show notes below. Book a 20 minute call with me and I'll ask you a bunch of questions and see if it's a right fit. And of course, if you're following on my personal journey, I have officially left Facebook. I believe that it's officially going to be deactivated in two days, which is kind of crazy. I've gotten to the point where I've let go of so much in my life that I feel empowered And truthfully, social media has been something that has been such a drainer. I've noticed that it's had an impact on my mental health, and that's not something that I want to incorporate. any longer. So I will continue to let you know what that journey looks like. Download the dopamine menu. If you're looking to stay in touch and also find different ways to fill up your cup during the day, even if you're just transitioning from one activity to another, but give yourself the dopamine that you need. So you can find motivation and energy to get some of that organizing done. And in addition to that, we are moving across. country. My husband and I are making a move from Colorado back to Massachusetts. That's where I grew up. And so if you're interested in having me come to your house and organize for you personally, please email me Megs at organizing ADHD, brain. com so that we can figure out some of the logistics. This isn't set in stone, but I am getting more and more curious as I continue to talk about the prospect of organizing across the country. Have an incredible week, and I will see you next week.