Your Heart, Your Brain, Your Move: The New Playbook for Staying Alive

In this milestone episode of The Daily Apple, Kevin and Brian take a victory lap (at a very healthy heart rate, of course) as they celebrate one full year of talking all things health and wellness! They look back on the journey—from early awkward recordings to rubbing elbows with health experts at the Live Long Conference—and share some of the biggest lessons they've learned along the way.

The guys dive into why cardiovascular health is kind of a big deal (hint: it keeps you alive), the scary truth about soft plaque, and why heart health screenings need a serious glow-up. They also geek out over the latest breakthroughs in neurodegenerative disease research—and why early detection might just be the real MVP of health care.

Plus, Kevin and Brian reflect on the power of community, collaboration, and a few mistakes made along the way (looking at you, conference coffee). They’re fired up about the future of health initiatives in Oklahoma and beyond—and they’re taking you along for the ride.

Spoiler: It involves less waiting until you're sick and more actually knowing what's going on inside your body.

Prime Health Associates

Transcript

Kevin (00:00)
Okay, well hello everybody. Welcome back to the Daily Apple. Thanks for putting up with our leave of absence. We were gone off for a week, maybe two.

Brian (00:08)
Yeah,

we're off. We're off for a week, but we've been like on every other week track since the new year cuz cuz

Kevin (00:15)
Life. Yeah, so we just did.

A bunch of a handful of cool ones. So I went to the live long conference and so I met with Matt. He was in town, Matt, Kaeberlein and

so it was good. We had a good time and we went to, I was down in Florida and Hyman was there and a bunch of other people, actually he wasn't there. He just phoned it in from, know, because he was sickly or something, but nobody talked about why he was sick.

Brian (00:41)
So

you're at the longevity conference and one of the speakers is sick. Somebody needs to make that joke.

Kevin (00:48)
Yeah. So yeah. And then there were some other people there was a really made some great connections. There was this guy out of New York that we're going to have on the podcast coming up, but his, does a biotech stuff. And so the idea was really futuristic is about a digital twin. Have I talked to you?

Brian (01:09)
this?

No, let's hear.

Kevin (01:11)
So the idea is that you, I mean there's a lot of wearables people have now to kind of trick everything, but really having that on a new level to where everything is ⁓ really dialed in ahead of the game to where you can pick up on things that are a problem.

you know, before they happened really. So it really took that to a whole new level. It kind of blew my mind, but I don't want to get too much in the weeds because we're going to actually have him. Um, he's agreed to be with us. Okay. Super smart guy.

Brian (01:40)
So this makes me think of something

and we didn't discuss this before, but think back because we've been, we've been, this podcast is a year old. It's a year old now. It was the very end of February. No way. No way. ⁓ so it's a year old. Think back. So at the conference, let's think back over some of the people.

Kevin (01:55)
Yeah. We should start.

Brian (02:10)
Who, like think of the people that we've met over the course of this year. Like it's Mary Pardee. Like was Mary at, she was at the conference. So we got to give high fives to Mary. She's doing amazing things. Like just great stuff. ⁓ I'd be curious, like who are some of the,

Who are some of the people that you've met this year because of this?

Kevin (02:36)
yeah. And it's, it's really, it's just, it's more about me learning stuff. has nothing to do with anybody listening to this. It's really selfishly. Cause I'll be, I'll be listening and like taking notes and trying to learn everything I can. Cause it's really some sharp people and have been gracious with their time.

Brian (02:44)
No way.

No, I think it's great. But think back over this year. It's like, who are the people that really stand out to you?

Like relationships that have been built because of this friendships, like collegial relationships, collegial. It be, you know, I'm not sure which it is. Well, you just said collegial, but you said in there a G in there. Would that be collegial? Is it kind of like GIF's? Yeah, we can say what's your way we want. Nobody really knows. Is it JIF or GIF? Is it collegial or collegial? Cause we're not going to college. We're talking about colleagues.

Kevin (03:07)
Isn't it collegial?

Right.

Yeah.

Brian (03:31)
⁓ Nobody really cares about that, but that's okay. Who are some of the people that have been surprising that you're still tracking with them? You're still seeing interesting things that they're doing. They've become more than guests.

Kevin (03:53)
handful of them. mean, it's sure it's been ⁓ I can't think of specific. mean, like, I mean, shoot, like, like Tim Jones out of out of, you know, Canada and everything. And yeah, that's an interesting, interesting guy. And then gosh, who will have we talked to? Of course, you know, I

We have had a lot of.

Brian (04:21)
I've met a lot of great people.

Kevin (04:23)
Yeah. And Christen Glorioso with Neuro Age she's doing some cool stuff, which brings us to that project that we're doing, which I, and it will be announced in the future that we're connecting with two other ⁓ practices at different areas of the country. I will talk about that later. This will come out later.

Brian (04:44)
Okay, this can come out later, but I want you to say it. ⁓ we, as in like prime health, like prime health is collaborating and partnering with some of these people. Like in a, it's going to be cool in an established way. It's really

Kevin (04:57)
gonna

be cool because it's um yeah I don't really have to bite my lip but we're um really looking at

neurodegenerative disease and early stage. And, but anyway, it's going to be really cool. ⁓ David short, dr. David short, dr. Tara Scott. Yeah. She was awesome. Talking about, ⁓ women's health and women's hormones. Shimi Kang. I'd heard her talk before dr. Kang. She's out of Vancouver and, ⁓ heard her speak before. And then I saw her again this last year. And so it really,

Brian (05:28)
She was talking about technology.

Kevin (05:36)
make that connection was really, really great. And then of course, mean, Suzanne Ferree is awesome, the Peptide Guru. Love that woman. of course, Heather Emory is always a great time.

Brian (05:50)
Absolutely. You never know what's going to come out of her mouth.

Kevin (05:53)
Dude,

it's so funny. I do get a lot of people saying, I like that Heather. She's really put you on the spot. ⁓ so yeah, then Blake Bergstrom, of course. That's awesome. love that guy. And then Matt Kaeberlein obviously. Awesome. Ben Miller, Brian Piccolo. The story of, him is just wicked. Awesome. ⁓ I don't know. I'm missing people. ⁓ then we did the sauna sauna session. Another one of those.

Brian (06:21)
on that episode.

Kevin (06:23)
Yeah, that was fun.

Brian (06:24)
people loved.

So, so I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to be your hype man here for a second. ⁓ if you're fairly new to the podcast, this is obviously this is, the daily Apple with Kevin white and prime health associates. And really the conversation ends up being for those of you that haven't heard before, I haven't listened before that are fairly new, like we're just trying to have conversations about the things that matter. We're trying to learn together, kind of trying to discover together.

And Kevin always rolls his eyes at everything.

Kevin (06:56)
Easy.

You're just saying cheesy. We're just, we're talking about longevity and the crap that matters. So I do, we do need to just talk about, and we try to make it short cause a lot of my patients and our clients are just, just tell me what matters. Tell me what I need to know. I'll just do it. ⁓ so that's, ⁓ well,

Brian (07:14)
Anyway, and, and at the risk of being cheesy, like for those of you that are just fairly new, like we have a year of content, really valuable, really smart, really talented, really surprising people. Cause it's been a year for me of hearing things that I've never thought of before ideas and thoughts and concepts from. Sour flower vinegar to the hormone guru. And it's like, we have all these people that are

Brilliant.

Kevin (07:45)
Yeah, that's funny. You're making me look back on it. I guess I haven't ever done that. You just get caught in the moment. So I just got back from Dallas, Texas. Did you ever watch?

Brian (07:56)
Sorry.

That

show? Yeah, I watched that show. JR Ewing. Yeah, the bad guy of all bad guys.

Kevin (08:05)
yeah. So, yeah. So it was a great visit. I went down there and, ⁓ talked with the guys from Clear Cardio about this Clearly thing that I won't shut up about because you cannot have a conversation about longevity without focusing on cardiovascular disease. The number one killer, both men and women, right? Yeah. We've known people who've died our age and younger.

Brian (08:07)
ShotJR.

Kevin (08:35)
of course older, women, know, and neverminds, know, guys like Ray Liotta, Tom Petty, Tom Petty was 69.

Brian (08:43)
Well, I told you last week, the guy that I met at the big event that I was at, he's in his thirties and had a quadruple bypass surgery and has turned his, it's turned his health upside down. And as a result, he's gone on this journey of a little like Gary, where it's like, gotta get, I gotta get right. And part of getting right for him was learning to balance work, like actually going home.

Kevin (09:07)
So the way we do, and I'm not a cardiologist, but I've seen it before in my time in the hospital and ER and everything, we really need to reevaluate, I think the future of cardiovascular ⁓ screening is gonna be tweaked considerably in the years to come. that's this, this.

CT angiogram seeing the data behind that like we do for for breast we do you know, we do mammographies breast ultrasound's we do Pelvic exams for cervical cancer screenings and all that sort of stuff. we check prostate we do all that stuff So whenever we check for cancers, it's a you know, if everyone's dialed in, you know, you decrease your risk considerably colonoscopies on the regular that's

So what do we do for heart health is, we follow cholesterol, we follow different parameters, blood pressure, smoking, we try to lower risk as much as possible and all that stuff. So those, that's great. And there's benefit to that. And there's benefit to tertiary centers with cardiovascular disease and taking care of people in a reactive way. But from the prevention side, ⁓ there's

you know, take, take colon cancer for, for example, they visualize the area, they see a polyp and remove it. That's a potential, I mean, or saving lives really. It's not sexy, but you that's what's happening. They actually visualize it with, with.

Vascular disease. We don't know like you we don't know Brian's coronary artery status We don't know how much soft plaque you have until we actually look and soft plaques is what's gonna kill you and rupture the hard plaque the calcified score, which is you know Healed plaque essentially. That's not gonna be what kills you generally. It's that it's that soft plaque which ruptures and everything so

doing this CT angiogram read by AI picks up on all the details. And I talked about it with Dr. John Osborne he's Harvard trained cardiologist, and lipidologist. Just a great dude down there. And this, this AI ⁓ reading of the CT angiogram,

levels the playing field where the average, you don't have to be a cardiologist to really look at that and get valid data that's actionable that you can do things about and follow your progress and repeat that scan in a year, two years or three years, depending on where you are on the, on the deal. it was, it was great. there's a, there's the other guy, JD down there, right? So JD is kind of the guy who runs, runs the practice and keeps it.

on the up and upright. So you gotta, mean, doctors are great, but they're terrible at running. They can't run business. Right. Yeah. So JD, great guy, Dr. JD, Enright. So I went to dinner with him afterwards and, um, I didn't know this. He told me his story, which I may have just mentioned to you earlier, I guess in passing, but he had, um,

He goes, yeah, man, this saved my life. And I'm like, what's that story? And he goes, well, my neighbor was a cardiologist and I was having some symptoms and I was, you know, he was unhealthy generally and all that stuff, but had a little high blood pressure and things, but he said, you need to go see, Dr. Osborne, John Osborne. So he goes to see John and he, ⁓

He evaluates them, does a CT angiogram on him, which again is a CT scan. It's all, all you are is laying there on this thing. It's not like a big procedure. It's not invasive. ⁓ and you, you lay there and it takes this CT and they get the images that day and, and reviewed it with him. And he had, ⁓ it was, it was this technology where they were using AI and he had a significant plaque burden. ⁓

soft plaque at the proximal LAD, right? Which is, and it was considerable and he treated it with some lifestyle stuff and some of his protocols there and they rechecked it and it was, it was really reversed considerably over the next year.

JD, you've got to tell this story. I mean, because they have their YouTube stuff. They're putting out their own information and stuff. like, you haven't done this at all. And his wife is sitting there, and she's like, he's right. JD, you need to, yeah. And I'm like, yeah, this is the real deal. So yeah, and he was showing me pictures. mean, he looks totally different.

Brian (13:50)
might have been screaming at him. ⁓

Okay,

so you went doctor on me there for a minute. Proximal LAD No, no, don't be sorry. Tell me what proximal LAD is for normal humans.

Kevin (14:06)
Yeah.

People hear of quote the widow maker and it's, and it's a more common, if somebody has a myocardial infarction where they, ⁓ let me back up. have coronary arteries that let me back up even further. So you have your heart, right? You have your aorta coming off that which supplies the rest of the body. That's where the blood flows. So off

Brian (14:20)
need your heart need your heart. It's got to work.

Kevin (14:30)
that first branch off the aorta supplying the muscle of the heart, the heart has to have its own blood supply. So there's ⁓ your coronary arteries that come off that right off the initial part of the aorta there as it comes off to supply the heart muscle oxygen, nutrients and all that stuff. whenever you have a lot of...

plaque buildup, soft plaque, and we talk about endothelial dysfunction and we talk about cholesterol and ApoB and LP little A ⁓ So you get plaque deposition in those areas. It actually goes underneath the initial cell layer of your coronary artery, but ⁓ that develops there. And a lot of people don't know that until it can be too late. ⁓ Oftentimes guys will come in having

discomfort and chest pain and everything. And it can be, and we talk about this in their podcasts, which will be released at some point in the next few weeks, I imagine. But, ⁓ how a lot of people don't follow the rules, you know, with their symptoms of chest pain or whatever. And some guys come in just with nausea. Some women often will come in. I've seen women and all my ER colleagues have seen this too. mean, you get, ⁓ you know, a female that may just have some nausea and then they have, you know, chest, chest pain. So right.

Brian (15:53)
Yeah. Yeah.

So, okay. So I, so I'm going to ask a question. Yeah. Dumbing this all down a little bit. It sounds like on some level, like heart.

like cardiac stuff was very analog. It's like, Hey, we got to run a line in and we're going to check. That's how we find out. we're like, we got to see it. If we're going to explore it, that's the way we're going to do it. But now it sounds like it's really taking a turn into the digital.

Kevin (16:24)
Is it?

Brian (16:24)
Would

that be kind of a good comparison?

Kevin (16:27)
So absolutely, man. mean, it's just, it's so stupid. It's like, okay, for you, let's talk about you right now. Your dad in, in, the future, when you have 50, we'll call you 50. know you're, you're too old, but 50 year old Brian, if it was, I believe in five years to 10 years, people who have certain risk by the time you're 50 will have

Brian (16:35)
Yeah.

Kevin (16:51)
You should have already had like a CT and Joe read by Clearly or or better yet like these guys down at Dallas they do this clear it's like that but I mean if that was like a Chevy Impala these guys are flying like or spaceships because it's it's the slice and the detail that they have on theirs versus what we've been getting on what what we're getting in our paint is awesome it's very helpful and extremely useful but ⁓

Brian (17:05)
Ferraris. Yeah.

Kevin (17:19)
There there's I mean, it's it's insane. You look at it and they he he can get all this other detail too. So in the future, 50 year old Brian will have already had a CT angiogram to say, okay, you've got, you know, 400 cubic millimeters of soft plaque load. And you know, a certain amount of that is

Low density soft plaque, is a much more risk. And then there'll be protocols to reverse that to where you don't have the problem whenever you're 60. 55.

Brian (17:50)
Okay. Or

so I'm going to, I'm going to ask a question that is probably 10 years old. Cause I can remember when I was younger, one of the things they would talk about, cause they have these, you know, clinics that pop up on Northwest expressway. They do full body scans and the talk about those things is, if you do a full body scan, it's kind like taking your car to the dealership. They're going to find something wrong. That's going to be expensive.

Kevin (18:06)
Right.

Thank you.

Brian (18:16)
So how is it different now as opposed to a decade ago?

Kevin (18:23)
I think that, I mean, when you say full body scan, can mean anything. could, somebody could be talking about a coronary artery calcium score or a full body MRI and stuff like that. Those are helpful. You're, but I guess, you know, this is more, we're looking at those things. won't look at specific plaque load and differentiating hard and soft plaque by the way that, ⁓ and then using AI to really

⁓ quantify that.

Brian (18:53)
Yeah. So for people who have that history like me, which my dad smoked for 50 plus years, he didn't, he did pretty much everything wrong. ⁓ but at the same time, it's like, okay, if you've got that indicator, then you probably need to get this. Yeah.

Kevin (18:56)
Yeah.

Yeah, and I mean I told the story of, and this just happens, I was a guy that was running, he was my patient. Brought him in, he was having a cardiac event, he was unresponsive, he had gone down when running at the park. I think it was at Eldon Lion Park.

And they brought him and ⁓ he was unresponsive and it was just a really sad deal. Cause I mean, we did all this stuff, couldn't get him back. ⁓ worked on it for a long period of time. give those guys, you know, and the staff did great. Everything did, everyone did everything the way they should. And it just came a time where it's just not happening. He had just a severe event and we had to declare him deceased and

He had no wallet, didn't know who he was, know, I'm said didn't know who he was. And we, they had the, he had his iPhone there. So we took his finger and put it on there. And then this picture comes up with a wife and two young, young blonde daughters, girls. And the whole room was just like, ⁓ gosh, you know, just guts you. So that, that crap should be, I think that.

at some point, if somebody has familial hypercholesterolemia or other real risk factors, I think this should happen at age 40 or something. There needs to be some protocols set in place.

Brian (20:35)
And we've talked a lot about people being scared. It's like, I'm scared. I would be scared to get Clearly. Because I'd be scared that I've got quadruple bypass coming up. Yeah.

Kevin (20:46)
So yeah, I did mine two weeks ago

when we were at the Live Long Conference in Florida. I didn't have a plan on it. So Matt Kaeberlein was speaking there, right? And so he reaches out and he says, hey, let's go day early and get the Clearly. I'm like, OK. So we did. And it was no big deal. It was fine. We got an IV. You lay there in the scanner.

And it's only like one or two millisieverts, which is, I mean, you get one millisievert a year living on planet earth. It's, oh, the radiation you get. But anyway, it's really minuscule, totally minuscule.

Brian (21:20)
I don't know what a millisiever is. OK, gotcha.

I get that going on my 15 year old's bathroom.

Kevin (21:31)
You ⁓

Brian (21:35)
Yeah, I said it.

Kevin (21:36)
So we,

yeah. so, um, yeah, not a big deal. Got, got, uh, the IV and give you a little, I mean, once they push that, you get a little flush then, um, and then it goes away, but it's okay. But the value is incredible. And if you don't have anything, it is so.

Because we have a lot of cardiovascular disease in my family. So I was worried about stuff and it was extremely, mean, mine was reassuring. I was very happy about that. so we're looking forward to doing some things and repeating.

Brian (22:09)
And I think a lot of people are scared that they're going to find out something bad. But, this is, and I keep trying to remind myself of this. It's like, if we find out something, let's, let's find it out early when we can change the trajectory of it. Yeah. It's like, let's find it out now. That way we're not finding out 70 when the damage is done.

Kevin (22:28)
I mean, would you drive, I know you just bought your cool little Land Cruiser. You're all hip in that crowd. So you got your old Land Cruiser with like 500,000 miles that you overpaid for, but would you drive that if they said, hey, it's great, but there's no gauges on it. So you'll have to know to change the oil when the engine starts smoking a bit.

Brian (22:33)
Yeah, my little Land Cruiser.

Kevin (22:54)
You'll know you're out of gas when the engine just stops. Yeah. And you're on I-40.

Brian (23:00)
Speaking of my 15 year old. Yeah,

that's how they drive. Yeah.

Kevin (23:06)
But so it's just a gauge that you have to just be mindful and just kind of avoid something that...

Brian (23:13)
I think you're scared of being mindful. And, and this is, we've talked about this privately. ⁓ one of the things that I appreciate is sometimes we can listen to podcasts like this, things like this, where there's a thousand things that we need to do. And we have this huge long list of things that we need to start doing and ways we need to live differently. And, it's, it's been kind of nice where it's like, Hey, can we just

Kevin (23:15)
Well, well.

Brian (23:40)
I don't remember who it was. One of the guests talked about, let's like do the 1 % things. It's like, okay, let's just do things 1 % differently. Let's, let's change the little tiny things that we can change the little tiny things that like it tracks over time. Changes their trajectory. And like that, that helped, that helps my head helps my head. And we're thinking about my health. I'm thinking about being here with my kids, thinks about getting older. Gosh. Yeah. So

Kevin (23:58)
Yeah. Right.

Yeah.

Brian (24:10)
I love it. So, okay. So you found out we don't have to talk about details with your Clearly, but little good, really good. Like, are you the $6 million man? Like, are they going to, are they going to put you on a billboard for

Kevin (24:24)
Yeah. No. So on gosh, on a podcast with Matt Kaeberlein that we did here at, at, ⁓ the Lark down there, so we, ⁓ talk about his review. His mine had, ⁓

I'm a one percenter, so I'm going to get hit by a bus or have something else happen to me. I've, luckily, gratefully, I have zero plaque load of any kind. So it was kind of bizarre. So I was talking to the Clearly folks and said, hey, was this a mistake? But I mean, the images are there and they're great. So I was pretty fortunate.

Brian (25:01)
Yeah. Well, so is it possible? Cause we talk, we talk some about this, you know, Hey, you might have, ⁓ whenever you get your heart stuff, we don't really know. You might have high cholesterol, but you're actually in good shape. You might have. So is it like,

Kevin (25:19)
Yeah. So

yeah, my APO B was a touch high. It's always, I mean, I've tried to get that down as about 80 last time. I like it lower than that generally. But, ⁓ and I was talking to John Osborne when we were in Dallas in our discussion that, you know, sometimes guys will have high numbers and then the plaque load will be minuscule and not a problem and vice versa. so that can be the issue. So I don't know if that answers your question.

Brian (25:44)
No, I think that's great. Okay. ⁓ What else has really got you like excited or jazzed up?

Kevin (25:53)
Shoot. mean, all this stuff happened in this past month has been cool coming up. I mean, we're doing some peptide stuff. This, like I alluded to this thing, my, so we talked at my coronary's are fine. My biggest concern is dementia, right? That's big in my family, even though I'm an APO E three three, but, there's a lot of that going.

Brian (26:14)
How do you know that you're an APO E three three and what does that mean?

Kevin (26:17)
checked

it because I check it on all our people. had it done myself. Yeah. But it's the, it's one of the big risk factors, considerably risk factors for dementia. So if you're a four, so it's a gene test, right? You one from mom, one from dad. So it's either a two, three or four. So ⁓ if you're a three, that's the wild type and ⁓ four is a risk factor. And so if you're three, four or four, four, ⁓

put you in a higher risk category for dementia. That's just one of the most... ⁓

Well, you know, of the most well connected causes, for dementia. Yeah. And the majority of people are it's the wild type. Yeah. So it's two is supposedly protective, I believe, but

Brian (26:56)
And you're a three.

Right.

Kevin (27:06)
So what I'm excited about in the future is this Neuro Age and kind of digging in on that and then this other initiative we have going out with these other practices that is going to involve some real cool management. There was a small study that very small where they followed people who had they got an MRI pre and post and it was just within the course of like four to five months.

Yeah. And they showed signs and the cerebral flow and everything was consistent with early cognitive issues and dementia and everything. So,

And it was reversed within four to five months. It's crazy. But it was a very, very small study. So really low power. ⁓

Brian (27:45)
⁓

some, but it's the least bread crumbs.

Kevin (27:49)
Actually,

yeah, really exciting, exciting things, catching things early. So yeah.

Brian (27:54)
Okay. So in the last podcast, we talked to Gary, which was awesome. ⁓ we talked about Oklahoma's health outcomes are pretty bad.

Yeah, but it sounds like again, I'm being your hype guy a little bit, but it sounds like there's some things that are happening that we're actually contributing. Like Oklahoma, like this practice, what you're doing, starting to move the needle.

Kevin (28:19)
Hope so. I mean, there's some plans and initiatives that we're going to do. And then of course, talking about, and he's a lot of things Gary and Gary and I visited about really exciting. Yeah. So I think that there's a real vision there.

Brian (28:33)
it as your friend, you always kind of like, don't really talk about any of those. That's exciting for me. Like it just is. It's exciting for me. it's like there's, I'll, I'll be that guy. It's like, it's, this is, this is exciting for me as an Oklahoma person. It's exciting for me to hear Gary say, We want to change health outcomes. Okay. Well, one, you know, two weeks later,

you're talking about being part of whatever it is that, Neuro Age is doing. We're going to contribute and the conversation you just had with Clearly we're on the ground floor of some pretty like not cool for Oklahoma, like cool for anywhere. Like am I, am I overstating it? That's cool for anywhere. This is cool for a clinic in San Francisco. Sure.

Kevin (29:06)
Yeah, it's going to be.

Yeah, yeah.

Brian (29:24)
This is objectively cool stuff. anyways, it kind of hypes me up a little bit.

We talked some about the RMR like we have, so you have DEXAscans have VO2 max. There are things that are like regular parts of what you're doing here already.

Kevin (29:42)
Yeah.

Yeah, you know what, if you're listening to stuff and don't want to be a client or a patient, that's cool. I would say get some of these things. come in and get a DEXA scan. RMR is just icing on the cake. That's pretty cool.

Brian (30:01)
Okay, so DEXA, I'm gonna read between the lines and say it. So DEXA scans, this is not just for patients here. Like people online can go to the website, they can book a DEXA scan, we got Sam, Sam the DEXA scan man.

Kevin (30:17)
Okay, he'll go over with you and give you some. Yeah, that's one way to kind of move things kind of quickly once you know what the score is. Yeah, it's great. And then then RMR, which is a resting metabolic rate, which is going to be your next question. Yeah. So it's the calories I like, I'm going to simplify and dumb it down. It's kind of the calories you burn when you're sitting there doing nothing. If you did nothing all day, what you do and generally people would be around.

Brian (30:32)
Absolutely.

Kevin (30:45)
know, 1200 to 1900 depending on their body size, lean muscle mass and all that.

Brian (30:51)
Mine's at 34,000.

Kevin (30:54)
So anyway, it's goofball. So it'll show you, it'll give you some ideas where you can think about parameters for what you're eating diet-wise and kind of specify that to you. So it's usually helpful. And how do you increase your resting metabolic rate, increase lean muscle mass. ⁓

and physical fitness and cardiovascular fitness. But yeah, increasingly lean muscle mass will make a difference in that. Which brings me to, well, you can cut this out. We're actually gonna have Vonda Ride on. You know who is? You probably know that is, yeah.

Brian (31:31)
I think I remember you saying her name, but I don't remember.

Kevin (31:34)
Mel Robbins and all those other people, she's an orthopedic physician practicing. but she, has a good message for women talking about hormones, talking about a lean muscle mass and, ⁓ how it really, how it pertains to women. So I'm pretty excited about that. That's another thing I'm excited about in the future. I just derailed your conversation about RMR.

Brian (31:54)
it. That's okay. was bored with it. Yeah, well, and the reason that I asked him and this is the stuff about women and particularly it's like talking about these kind of details because I think sometimes again, it's the 1 % things. The RMR is a 1 % things like we just want to move the needle. We want to get started and these aren't things that cost $10,000. Right. There things that are

Kevin (31:56)
You

Yeah. there are some. there's Yeah. So there's some big announcements coming up. And not only there's some other ones that we're going to be kind of changing our practice considerably. So anyway, it'll be fun. It's going to be a good year.

Brian (32:34)
I like it. I'm excited about it. So.

Kevin (32:37)
What else, brother?

Brian (32:39)
Man, I'm kind of feeling a little excited.

Texas. You'll find out that I don't have a heart. I am the Grinch. Not really. No, I think that's amazing. And it's probably stuff that these are things that I need to be thinking about as well. Like we all need to be thinking about them. It's the, know, we've talked about the reason I exercise is because I want to do something stupid or my son's marriage. It's my son's wedding. That's my goal. I'm going to do some embarrassing. and, and

Kevin (32:58)
Thanks.

Brian (33:12)
We're all getting there age-wise. We're all getting there. So I like it.

Kevin (33:19)
Thanks for having me. ⁓

Brian (33:21)
Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna do the housekeeping stuff too Great for everybody who's listening If you're listening on Apple podcasts listen on Spotify wherever you're listening Be great if you would give us a review give us a five-star rating Give us a follow on YouTube or wherever you pick that stuff up this I think we we don't talk about that stuff nearly as much but it it helps and it helps people to be able to find what we're doing as well. Yeah, so

Kevin (33:50)
Yeah, thank you. Thank you guys and yeah, thanks for listening. See you later. Bye.

Brian (33:55)
Yeah, absolutely. Party.