Ep #83 - Macros, Mindset, Menopause — Your Midlife Reset (with Amy Oldfield)

If you’re a busy working women in your 40s who’s eating “well”, training hard and still feeling knackered, snappy, or stuck with sleep, energy and weight—this one’s for you. I’m joined by Amy Oldfield, online health & fitness coach and founder of Body Theory by Amy, to unpack the Four M’s that help women feel strong, calm and in control: Macros, Metabolism, Mindset, and Menopause/Menstrual cycles. 

We talk about why cookie-cutter plans don’t work, what “supporting your metabolism” actually means (beyond “fast” or “slow”), how to use strength training and real food (not restriction) to get your body responding again, and how your daily thoughts + your current phase of life influence everything from energy to patience to progress. Expect straight-talk, practical takeaways and zero guilt. 

In this episode:

• The Four M’s framework and how to personalise it
• Why prioritising protein and eating enough matters
• Strength training for women 40+ (and why it’s non-negotiable)
• Mindset shifts that stop the all-or-nothing spiral
• Working with hormones, cycles & perimenopause—not against them 

Guest: Amy Oldfield, Body Theory by Amy – creator of The Female Formula and a coach specialising in helping women 40+ restore metabolic health so life feels easier again. 

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Website - https://www.bodytheorybyamy.co.uk

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Transcript

Welcome, welcome, welcome, everybody, to this week's episode, where I am…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:43:44 

Delighted to have Amy Oldfield with me. I'm gonna let Amy introduce herself in a second, because I won't…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:43:52 

Do her justice, because I think Amy's incredible. And she has a lot of experience, a lot of value to give us today, but we are going to…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:44:03 

Try and kind of narrow it down to something that you call the four M's, which…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:44:07 

I'm gonna let you explain all about in a second. But basically, the reason why I invited Amy on is because Amy is an expert in what she does. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:44:14 and she has knowledge and awareness and a background in stuff that I don't. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:44:22 

But I love… I love. Her energy, I love how she does things, and so she's been very gracious to come and say yes. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:44:31 

To talk here with us today. So, Amy. You want to tell us who you are? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:44:37 

Hello! Thank you for having me. So, a bit about me then. so I'm Amy Oldfield. My business is Body Theory by Amy, and I'm an online health and fitness coach. So, today's conversation, we're going to be diving into. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:44:54 

Food, fitness, wellness, hormones, all of that stuff. So…. If that sounds interesting to you, then stay tuned for today's conversation. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:45:04 

Yeah, it's gonna be good. So, I don't script, I don't really do an awful lot of planning, I do like to just…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:45:11 

See where the conversation flows. So, I think today is probably just me going to be listening to you and going, oh my god, that's amazing, oh my god, that's amazing, and maybe asking questions. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:45:22 

Sue, are you… are you okay to just…. Start with what you think is kind of the most…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:45:30 

Maybe the most commonly. The most common thing you coach on, or the most common thing you see in working women. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:45:39 

Start with the four M's if you want to. I'm gonna sit in your expertise, so I'm gonna be directed by you as to what you think is most impactful for us to hear. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:45:47 

Yeah, okay, cool. Well, let's just roll, and as I'm talking about things, if you want me to elaborate, something doesn't make sense, something is interesting, then we'll go more down that route. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:45:48 

No pressure. Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:45:56 

Yeah. Yes, perfect. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:46:00 

So, the majority of my work, and it has been for most of the 12 years of my coaching career, is working with women in their 40s. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:46:11 

Who want to look good. They want to feel good. They are pretty into their exercise, they like to feed and nourish their body, but some things. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:46:24 

Off, and they just don't get the results they want from the efforts that they're putting in. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:46:30 

So, my work is about helping women to restore their metabolic health again, so that it now becomes easier to burn fat, it becomes easier to get out of bed in the morning and have energy, and for that energy to last all day, and so that you can sleep through the night. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:46:49 

And so that hormones aren't running the show, when you're not wanting to rip your husband's head off. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:46:56 

Or scream at your kids, you just feel valiant, life is easier. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:47:01 

And you're able to just get up in the morning, feel good, put on the clothes you want to wear, and feel great. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:47:06 

In your skin. So…. Everything I do helps women to achieve that, and there's a few things that I'm really passionate about to help women get there, and we'll dive into that, and you alluded to the four M's earlier, which we will explore, because that's exactly how I achieve this. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:47:21 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:47:25 

For women. one of the things that I'm really passionate about is strength training, so I'm sure we're going to dive into that. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:47:33 women eating real food and not starving themselves and punishing themselves with crazy restrictive diets. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:47:36 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:47:41 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:47:42 looking after your daily thoughts, which is absolutely your world as well, Nikki. and then understanding the phase of life that you are in. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:47:48 

Yeah, yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:47:52 

And that the things that you may have…. Got away with, let's say, in your 20s and 30s? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:00 

Now your body is not enjoying that anymore, so we need to approach things differently. So, those four M's…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:48:03 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:09 

That I just mentioned are macros. Understanding your macronutrients, if that word is new to you, that means proteins, carbs, and fats. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:48:19 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:19 

My second M is supporting your metabolism. Metabolism isn't just about…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:25 

Oh, I have a fast metabolism, or I have a slow metabolism, and you're either. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:30 

Lucky in that way, or you're not, and it's not just about your weight when we talk about metabolism. There's lots of elements there. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:37 

The third part is your mindset, so the way that you see yourself, the way that you speak to yourself, the way that you're…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:45 

Daily actions impact your results. And then the fourth, …. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:50 

Two combined, the fourth M, menopause and menstrual cycles. So, understanding where you are at in your phase of life. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:48:59 

And what you're going to need to focus on differently to get your body responding in the way. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:49:03 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:49:04 

That you want it to. And largely, this is what my online program, the Female Formula. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:49:11 

Is based on, and we all know that. Cookie-cutter approaches to diet and exercise and weight loss. They don't work. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:49:21 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:49:21 

Having these four levers that you can pull on means that you can customize your approach to what you need and what you're struggling with, and where you need to focus most of your attention. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:49:33 

So it's a way of personalizing. Your efforts. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:49:33 

Yeah. And I think that's really key, isn't it? Because so many of us get caught up in that, I have to eat this way, I have to eat this way, or I have to eat that way, and then you've got experts saying, go gluten-free, go meat-free, go vegan, go, like, keto, go… oh, go whatever the one is where I think it's keto, isn't it, where you just eat all the meat. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:49:57 

And I'm… and it doesn't…. And I think we try and then fit into this, oh, well, my mate lost weight eating that way, so I must lose weight too. Or, my husband lost loads of weight fasting, so fasting must work for me. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:50:12 

And it really is about looking at the individual body. With those four M's, just remind me what the second one was, sorry. Macros? [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:50:24 

Mindset, menopause, what was the one? What was the second one? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:50:26 

So we've got macros, mindset, menopause and menstrual cycles. And then we've got, …. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:50:33 

Which one have I missed? I've got mine blank, and I was like, oh, we're a right pair, aren't we? [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:50:39 

I know! We're in the… yeah. Metabolism, yes, of course it is. Yeah, of course it is. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:50:40 

Metabolism. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:50:46 

And I think, when you look at…. Like, it wasn't until I started to listening to you and coming to some of your workshops and talking to you more about. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:50:57 

Macros, that I had…. I've heard of protein, I've heard of carbs, but I never really understood it fully. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:51:06 

And then, definitely, my metabolism. I wouldn't have a clue. What my metabolism was like. But you do hear people go, oh yeah, but I've got a slow metabolism, almost as if that's then an excuse. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:51:17 

To not even try anything different. There's no judgement when I say that. Mindset, obviously, I'm an expert at, but it's funny how my mind is just the same bitchy human as everybody else's when I'm not in my life coaching. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:51:30 

Yeah. - [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:51:31 

Hot, and then menopause, and our menstrual cycle. I mean, the menopause is definitely a phase of my life that I'm currently in. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:51:38 so I'm curious, when you have someone in front of you, and they're presenting all these symptoms. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:51:45 

Is there somewhere that you generally tend to start? You mentioned strength training, real food, like, daily thoughts. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:51:53 

But what is there… is there one that you start with more than the other? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:51:58 

Yeah, so for me, there's going to be some general daily habits that are gonna work across the board and help everybody. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:52:08 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:52:08 

So, women getting a decent sleep. For example, getting out into sunlight and walking. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:52:19 

Getting that daily movement in. Using weight training effectively, and eating enough food. So those things are across the board. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:52:21 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:52:30 

But where I like to start is more on the metabolic health. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:52:35 

Because if your goal…. Is to burn fat and build muscle. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:52:42 

It's possible that maybe your metabolism isn't ready for that yet. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:52:48 

And there's some work that needs to be done initially. To get your metabolism working, because when it's working effectively, the efforts that you then put into. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:02 

Your workouts and your food, it starts to work better for you. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:07 

Rather than continuing to hop between the various diets that you've just mentioned. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:53:13 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:13 

Keto, you're carnivore, you're paleo, you're fasting, and wondering why none of those work…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:19 

And it's because your metabolism isn't set up. To allow those things to work. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:53:24 

Yeah, interesting. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:24 

So, you might be thinking, well, Amy, how do I know if my metabolism isn't working very well? [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:53:30 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:31 

Like we said before, people tend to think that. You either have a fast metabolism or a slow metabolism. That's something you're born with. Skinny people have fast metabolisms, overweight people have slow metabolisms. End of story. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:53:45 

Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:45 

But it's really not that way. Your metabolism, it changes every single day. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:52 

Because it is adaptive in nature, depending on what stresses you place upon it. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:53:59 

So, rather than thinking of your metabolism like something which is fixed, it's either fast or slow. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:54:05 

Your metabolism is a stress barometer, and it's constantly adapting and adjusting to whatever is going on in your lifestyle. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:54:15 

And that has a cascade effect on all… every single chemical process that goes on in your body. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:54:21 

And so, when we think of it like that, it actually…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:54:25 

Has… only to a small degree, an impact on weight loss. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:54:30 

It's all the things. So, if your metabolism isn't functioning very well, your body will be trying to tell you. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:54:31 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:54:39 

By maybe driving down your energy. So, if you're the person getting up in the morning, feeling really sluggish, and having energy crashes at 3pm. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:54:50 

That's a sign your metabolism is struggling. If you're constantly having sugar cravings. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:54:57 

Again, that's a metabolic issue. If your mood is high and low, and high and low, again, metabolic issue. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:55:08 

It can even express itself in your skin. Like, what's the quality of your skin like? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:55:15 

Are you able to recover from your workouts effectively, or do you feel…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:55:24 

Immediately energized afterwards, followed by a huge crash. also hunger. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:55:30 

I think we can…. Sometimes be scared about feeling hunger. Hunger is a sensation which. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:55:41 

We often like to avoid and just get shut down. And so women can…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:55:42 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:55:46 

Think that they're, you know, they've kind of done it. They've achieved the Holy Grail. When they don't feel hungry anymore. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:55:53 

But not having an appetite, that's a sign of a struggling metabolism. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:55:57 

Interesting, yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:55:58 

So, if you can wake up in the morning, and you have no appetite, you can go for hours without food. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:06 

And then you're just eating because you feel like you should, or you're forcing food down, or maybe you can…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:12 

Only have one or two meals a day, and you just don't have those hunger signals. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:17 

That's not a sign of a healthy metabolism. Yeah, it will mean that your body can get through the day on very little energy, but that's not a healthy metabolism. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:28 

If you feel hunger, although it might concern you, because, oh, I've got to eat again. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:56:34 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:35 

Hunger is a signal of a healthy functioning metabolism. We should be feeling that, and have a good appetite. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:41 

So, a lot of the women that I work with. They… their initial goal…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:56:42 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:46 

Is to drop a couple of dress signs, let's say. You know, we get to that perimenopause phase of life. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:52 

And the genes are getting a bit tight, and the fat's hanging out the back of our bra. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:56:57 

And we don't want to put our bikini on our summer holiday. Like, your body is wildly changing, and so your immediate desire is. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:57:05 

How do I get this fat off as quickly as possible? and as easily. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:57:08 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:57:11 

As possible. But if you're also struggling with a lot of the things that I've just mentioned. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:57:17 

Low energy, no appetite. Energy crashes, highs and lows, mood swings…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:57:25 

Skin issues, gut issues, that needs…. Addressing first. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:57:29 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:57:30 

So that your body is set up. To burn fat and build muscle, and get back into all those clothes that you love. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:57:37 

Yeah. So, how do you… how do you actually start that process? Does that look like it's someone doing, like, a food diary, and you're going, right, okay. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:57:38 

That are sat in your wardrobe. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:57:48 

This is roughly what you're taking in or not taking in, like, how do you…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:57:52 

How do you start to know that for an individual? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:57:55 

Yeah, so I use what I call biofeedback markers. So, the biofeedback markers are pretty much what I just described. How's your sleep? How's your hunger? Your cravings? Your energy? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:58:08 

Your workout performance and recovery, and your mood. And there's a cool acronym. I can't take credit for it, this is from one of my mentors, Jay Teeter. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:58:18 

Schmeck, okay? So that's…. Sleep! Hunger, mood, energy cravings. Is your schmeck? [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:58:20 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:58:25 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:58:26 

In check. And I will ask my clients to think about this day-to-day, but they report in to me once a week with their, kind of, 1 to 10 scores. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:58:35 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:58:35 

On their biofeedback. And that is your body's report card on how you're doing. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:58:42 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:58:42 

Like, am I happy right now with…. The lifestyle that you're giving me, or am I not? So we can use those biofeedback markers, and they are really effective. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:58:51 

And there's a couple of other markers that kind of don't fit into the lovely schmeck. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:58:56 

Acronym, such as, like, you'll work at Performance and Recovery. Your digestion. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:58:57 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:59:02 

Like, are you pooing every day? Are you pooing twice a day? are you getting bloating? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:59:08 and then libido, as well. So, a lot of women assume that as you get older, your libido. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:59:16 

Is gonna vanish, and that's just what you deal with. But high libido is another sign of a healthy metabolism. So there's all these things going on that our body is always trying to tell us. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:59:17 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:59:23 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:59:29 

But… it's very easy to ignore, put it down to age, put it down to. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:59:32 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:59:36 being busy, or… or whatever. So that's kind of what we use to understand if your metabolism needs a bit of support. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 11:59:39 

Yeah…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:59:47 

And then…. As and when you are ready. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:59:52 

And your body is optimized. To go for that fat loss goal. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 11:59:58 

Then you can start to get more into becoming dialed in on macros. So that was one of my other. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:00:05 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:00:07 

Ends, that's your proteins, carbs. Fats, and when we add those up, that will equal your…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:00:13 

Total calorie needs for the day. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:00:15 

Yeah. And you said the F word. Fats. So, we… my parents…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:00:19 

- [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:00:24 

When they… they went through that whole period where fat was bad. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:00:28 

So, choosing the low-fat option, which is usually actually full of sugars and toxins and doesn't actually lose weight, because then we're in a. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:00:35 

Society, and so that clearly hasn't worked. But, so, it's interesting, isn't it, how some of us, and I can only talk about my experience, but how. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:00:45 

Fats are bad. You don't want fat, because we're trying to lose fat, so why would we eat it, so…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:00:50 

Can you talk a little bit about that? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:00:52 

Yeah, so those three macros that we're talking about, proteins, carbs, and fats. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:00:57 

Each one of those has been demonized at some point in the nutrition world. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:01:00 

Yeah…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:01:02 

Over the last 30, 40, 50 years. And so, by the time you get to your 40s and 50s, you've lived through all of those fads. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:01:07 

Yeah…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:01:12 

And then we've also watched our parents go through the fads as well, and…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:01:13 

Yeah…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:01:18 

Push their opinion on us. And we need to eat something. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:01:25 

That's why we can add sawdust! Just dust. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:01:29 

Yes. So. Protein can get a bad rep because. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:01:34 

Some people think that it's bad for your kidneys, or you might think, oh, protein is just for guys that want to build loads of muscle, and. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:01:43 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:01:44 

Maybe if I eat too much protein, I'm suddenly gonna bulk up, okay? So we've demonized protein, for the reasons you just said, we've demonized fats. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:01:51 

But I think right now, we're in…. The phase where carbs. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:01:58 

Are demonized, especially for women over 40. We are sold so. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:01:58 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:02:04 

Often, the story. That if we want to be healthy, and if we want to burn fat. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:02:12 

Then carbs are not our friend. So, there is no surprise that everyone's really confused, because those are the only three options we have to get fuel into our body. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:02:22 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:02:23 

And then we're feeling guilty for eating any of them, because we're told that, for one reason or another, they're all bad. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:02:26 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:02:29 

It's crazy! It's crazy. And these…. Fads, you know, they do fall circle as well. They come and go, and they do full circle, and then you see things coming around again, so…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:02:30 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:02:43 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:02:43 

Now, people are talking about the carnivore diet, which is very much heavy on just eating meat. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:02:51 

Well, 20 years ago, that was packaged up as the Atkins diet, but now we call it the carnival diet, so it's like, oh, hi, it's you again. That one's come back around. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:02:55 

Yes. Yeah. Yeah! Slightly different bow on than we all think. Yeah, it's like Superman with the mask, you don't see the same, like, exactly. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:03:02 

Yeah. And low fat was a trend at one point, and then that changed to high fat. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:03:08 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:03:10 

And now I feel that now we're more in a place of no one knows what to do, no one knows what to do with fats and carbs and proteins. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:03:15 

Yeah…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:03:17 

And so, we're then reaching for, well, what else is there instead? Great, there's intermittent fasting. That works for me, because now I can get up in the morning, I don't have to waste any time eating, I can just get straight into my day. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:03:22 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:03:31 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:03:31 

And I'll eat food later. Because in a way, it…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:03:37 

I guess it feels easier to not eat sometimes than to eat. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:03:40 

Yeah. Well, especially if you've…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:03:46 

Worked on be… if you're… first of all, if you're not hungry. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:03:49 

Like, so if you're… if you… if you're the scale that you don't get hungry, or, like, I… I have practiced fasting, and I actually quite enjoy fasting. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:03:58 

But I'm okay with being hungry. So, if you're okay with being hungry, you don't feel hungry, fasting is actually really easy, but. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:04:06 

Again, doesn't necessarily work. Effectively, or healthily, or…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:04:12 

Because here's the problem, I find, is that there is research to prove everything. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:04:18 

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:04:18 

You know, there's loads of research to prove fasting, there's loads of research to prove eat 5 meals a day, there's. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:04:24 

You know, and so, you can go out and find the research out there to support whatever it is. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:04:28 

Yeah, yeah, that works for your bias, yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:04:30 

Exactly, yes, exactly. So that's why I think it's so… that's why I love, I think, your… your 4Ms so much, in the sense that it really starts to make it so much more individual. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:04:42 

For that body that you are living in, regardless of what the research says about those people, the research says about those people. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:04:50 

Yeah, and I do pay attention to research, but I also pay attention to my lived experience as a woman in my own body. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:04:57 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:05:01 

And as someone who has worked with hundreds. Of women over the years, and you get to see what works, what doesn't. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:05:05 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:05:11 

How people's body respond, how their mind responds. And for me, that's actually more valuable than some of the research that you see, because you can also pick apart holes in studies and say, oh, well, you know, there was this, this, and this going on, and actually the sample size. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:05:26 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:05:28 

Wasn't big enough, and all of that. So I think you do have to take a view of what, objectively, is working for you, and also pay attention to. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:05:39 

The studies as well. in terms of intermittent fasting, this is a really, really big one that I see. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:05:40 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:05:46 

Being popular at the moment. And I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of it. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:05:48 

Yeah. Yeah, I've heard you say this before. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:05:52 

I am a fan of…. Find what works for you. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:05:57 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:05:57 

But if we just bring it back to what your body needs. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:06:02 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:06:04 

Your body needs fuel. And if you want to support your metabolism, your number one job is to reduce stress on your system. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:06:15 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:06:15 

And as a woman over 40, you've now got 40 years of stress, which has accumulated. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:06:23 

And quite likely, you're now dealing with extra things that you weren't dealing with 10 years ago. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:06:29 

Like, whatever age your kids are now, whatever age your parents are now, where you are in your career. Maybe you've started a new business. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:06:36 

There's a lot going on that your 20- and 30 year old body didn't have a clue was going to be happening. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:06:43 

So, number one job for supporting your metabolism is taking stress off your system. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:06:49 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:06:50 

And eating food in the morning signals safety to your body. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:06:54 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:06:56 

So, the reason that intermittent fasting works for fat loss. Is because you've created a calorie deficit, because you've taken away a meal. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:07:03 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:07:06 

So, I think that it can be helpful for some people, and if you feel great, like, all your metabolic markers, perfect, you have the body you want, like, everything is just great. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:07:16 

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:07:16 

Keep on doing it. But if it's not working, do something different, and start feeding your body. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:07:22 

First thing in the morning, and at regular intervals throughout the day, to signal safety to your system. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:07:26 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:07:29 

Because when your metabolism sense safety, remember I said metabolism was a stress barometer. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:07:35 

Then it starts working again. And you have balanced energy, you have balanced hunger, you can sleep through the night. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:07:37 

Yeah, yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:07:43 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:07:43 

You can burn fat, so you can…. Head into a workout, push yourself hard and recover really well. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:07:50 

Yeah. Yeah. It's so interesting, isn't it? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:07:51 

Now your body can handle it. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:07:56 

Then, let's talk about the menopause, that all menstrual cycle, depending on what phase. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:00 

Of the life you're in, but…. Another thing that I notice is how, …. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:07 

We all… I think a lot of research out there as well is based on the masculine form, because it's been. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:14 

Gen… and I…. I don't… I… this is not a judgement, it's just pure opinion and observation, but where the medical profession has always been generally men. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:23 

They've looked… they only know the male body, and they've looked at. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:27 

Men, and a lot of the sports has been most… a lot of men, so all of this research generally. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:32 

Has been around men. And we're coming into it, especially with the more awareness that we're having around menopause, but fundamentally, our bodies are completely different. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:42 

To a male body. And so, and especially because of our menopause, like, that phase of change. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:51 

I think it's even more important to get, sort of, familiar and comfortable and. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:08:56 

Bring that kindness into that kind of change. But let's talk a little bit about. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:09:02 

About hormones as well, whether it's menopause or menstrual cycle, because. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:09:06 

Yeah, tell… what do you think about all of that? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:09:11 

Well, let's just rewind to what you said about we can find loads of studies for intermittent fasting. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:09:18 

Because that's a perfect example of how women are not included in studies. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:09:18 

Yeah. Yes. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:09:23 

Because we naturally have…. More complicated biology. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:09:28 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:09:30 

So, all of these studies that we have. Intermittent fasting, or whatever it might be. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:09:37 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:09:37 

Are based on how men respond. To these protocols. And then women end up applying them to themselves. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:09:43 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:09:46 

And then wondering when they don't get the same result. That's why your husband…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:09:48 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:09:51 

Lost two stone in intermittental fasting, and you didn't. So, we are very different in that way, and we don't get included in the studies. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:09:53 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:10:01 

So, when we talk about menopause, we have different phases. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:10:08 

Of menopause. You've got pre-menopause, where you're still having regular menstrual cycles. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:10:16 

Then we have perimenopause, which is most of the women that I'm working with. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:10:22 

And perimenopause isn't just defined by what's going on with your periods. There's about 40 different. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:10:31 

Symptoms which can come up that tell you're in your perimenopause phase of life. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:10:35 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:10:36 

And it can go on for anywhere between 2 and 10 years. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:10:41 

Yeah, yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:10:41 

And because of the modern lifestyle we have now. And more environmental toxins, and more stresses, perimenopause is starting earlier. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:10:53 

For women. So, perhaps in our parents' generation, you know, our mums and grandparents. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:10:54 

Oh, okay. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:00 

They were starting to go through perimenopause, perhaps in their mid-40s. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:05 

Now we're seeing women go through it in their mid-30s, so it's all shifted forwards. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:11:10 

Yeah, interesting. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:11 

That can go on for 2 to 10 years. And then… menopause is officially just one day. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:19 

Where you haven't had a menstrual cycle for 12 months. And then the next day, you're in postmenopause. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:11:27 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:28 

So, given that the majority of the women that I help on their health journey are in this perimenopause phase of life. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:36 

This is why I'm obsessed with helping women take stress off their system. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:11:42 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:43 

Because, actually, when we talk about menopause. That's when things have settled down. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:51 

We tend to think of menopause as when the periods have stopped. At that point. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:11:52 

Yeah…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:11:57 

Women tend to have an easier time, in many ways. And it's the perimenopause phase that's…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:12:05 

More concerning, it can be more erratic with highs and lows of hormones. That's where a lot of the symptoms become really challenging, and that's where stress really needs to be. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:12:16 

Addressed for women during that perimenopause phase. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:12:19 

Yeah. Which is why, going back to what you said right at the beginning about some really simple. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:12:26 

Going for a walk out in nature. Instantly lowers our stress. And I've… I've never done it, but I've had a few friends that have had the blood sugar…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:12:37 

Yep. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:12:37 

Monitors, what, figures. And they were like, oh, does it really work? And they've noticed their stress has gone whoosh. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:12:44 

And then I, okay, I'll go out for a walk, and it actually does bring down all those stress levels. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:12:49 

And it's free, and it's easy, and it's right with us, and. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:12:54 

Sleep. I mean, it's things that we all kind of know, don't we? But is…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:12:59 

It seems so difficult to implement, which is then where the mindset comes in, isn't it? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:13:03 

Yeah, the knowing and the doing are two very different things. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:13:05 

Yeah, to…. Yes, very different, yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:13:08 

Yeah. and…. People might say, oh, I know what I need to do, I just need to do it. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:13:14 

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:13:14 

Well, it's not a case of just needing to do it, is it? That's the hardest bit, and if you knew what you needed to do, you'd be doing it already. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:13:21 

Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, which is… which is then when the mindset comes in. So, I'm… I'm…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:13:28 

Curious about, because what I…. Noted. Well, what I've been sort of thinking through in my head. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:13:34 

The last couple of months. It's the difference between. Coaching, mentoring. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:13:42 

Like, counselling and therapies. And it's interesting, isn't it? Because as a life coach, I question, challenge. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:13:51 

Support people in changing their belief systems, but I don't tell them what to do. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:13:56 

I see that as being a mentor. A mentor's like, I've done it, this is what I think you should do, and giving you advice. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:14:03 

But what you do is like a combination of the two, isn't it? Because you look at…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:14:07 

Absolutely. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:14:07 

You look at someone and go, no, you actually need to have more protein, more carbs, eat more often. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:14:14 have the healthy fats, the real food, and here's how you start doing strength training and increasing, and let me help you with your daily thoughts. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:14:24 

So, it's… then I think… so, I would be interested to hear your definition of. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:14:32 

What you think a coach is, because then, like, if you go and hire a running coach. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:14:37 

You expect that coach to tell you what to do. So I'm like, but I'm a life coach, and I never tell anybody what to do. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:14:43 

So what's your… what's your, sort of, definition or terminology of the difference? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:14:49 

Yeah, that's such an interesting conversation. So, it's a blend. When you're a health and fitness coach, it has to be a blend. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:14:55 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:14:58 

And you're a mixture of a mentor delivering the knowledge. To your clients that they don't have, and they're coming to you. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:15:09 

For answers, but also keeping your client in the driving seat of their own journey. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:15:10 

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:15:15 

Because although…. A woman might feel like, I'm just done, I'm confused, I don't go… I don't know where to go next, just tell me what to do, like, give me the plan. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:15:26 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:15:27 

I could give you the most perfect plan, and I can guarantee you will not follow it. Because I used to do that as a young, innocent trainer. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:15:32 

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:15:37 

I wonder why no one could stick with my plans. And it's because that's not how it works. So…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:15:39 

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:15:43 

Yeah, you need to…. Create a beautiful blend of this is… these are the daily habits that are going to really support your body and help you. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:15:48 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:15:53 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:15:54 

But we need you to be in the driving seat of this, so I'm going to let you make your own decisions. I'm going to ask you some questions that are going to get you thinking. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:16:03 

About your behaviours and how you want this all to work, so that you can feel like you're in control and empowered about your own journey. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:16:07 

Yeah. Yeah. And I also really believe that when we…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:16:16 

When we take away society's bullshits of shoulding and the correct. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:16:22 

Diet, and all of that bollocks. We really… which does… that bollocks does help some people, I'm not saying it doesn't. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:16:29 

But… I really believe, and I don't think this is a conversation we've got time to. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:16:34 

To step into now. But, we have got an intuitive inner wisdom. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:16:41 

Like, when we push that loud…. Society shudding, and our primitive brain aside that wants to eat all the chocolate and drink all the wine and eat all the processed foods and sit on the sofa. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:16:51 

Watching Fifty Shades of Grey, not that I would ever do that, you understand? [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:16:56 

But, it's… that inner…. Knowledge, that inner wisdom, is…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:17:02 

Inside us. I don't… I'd be really curious to hear what you think about this. That… that kind of…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:17:09 

That kind of higher spirituality that we very rarely tap into. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:17:14 

Does have a very deep knowing on what is right for our individual body, but we just don't listen to it. We don't… we don't… we don't… we can't even hear it because of all the other. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:17:25 

Conditioned rubbish that's around us, so…. I don't know if you have anything to say about that. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:17:30 yeah, I do, and I've got a few client examples that have come up recently that. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:17:35 

Can demonstrate this quite nicely. So, I don't believe in intuitive…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:17:41 

Eating as a great…. Methodology for ultimate health and transforming your body, because intuitively, I want to get up in the morning, and I want to eat carrot cake all day, okay? [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:17:42 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:17:54 

Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah, yes. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:17:56 

That's… that's not gonna lead to me having good health. I'm not gonna have a great physique, I'm not gonna feel good doing that. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:18:02 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:18:03 

But, yeah, I would love to get up every morning and just eat carrot cake. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:18:07 

Okay, so that's, like, what my intuition is saying, but then you need to strike the balance with what does my body actually need? [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:18:13 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:18:14 

So, sometimes we can't use the intuition. And especially when your metabolic health isn't working, because the signals your body is sending you. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:18:18 

Sue, can I just…. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:18:26 

Aren't what your body needs. So, if your metabolism isn't functioning well, you'll get up in the morning. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:18:27 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:18:31 

With shutdown hunger signals. And that's making the issues worse. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:18:34 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:18:37 

And then you might be thinking, like a client of mine this week, she said, I just want to get up in the morning. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:18:42 

And just have, like, plain toast. Well, I know that's not going to help her. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:18:48 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:18:48 

To restore her metabolic health. But intuitively, she's like, I'm listening to my body, that's what my body wants. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:18:55 

Wow, and I think this is…. This is where I think my description of intuition is slightly different, in the sense… not slightly different, but in the sense that. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:19:07 

What I think you're saying as intuition is what I would class as our primitive brain. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:19:12 

That's used to familiar. That's used to the comfort of toast. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:19:17 

That loves the dopamine hit we get from sugar, therefore wants to eat all the carrot cake. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:19:21 

So when we think that's what our body's asking for, to me, that's actually our primitive brain just wanting all the stuff. That, to me, isn't…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:19:30 

Isn't wisdom. To me, the quiet, deep wisdom is underneath that layer. When we actually sit there and go. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:19:40 

But I know carrot cake isn't good for us. I don't think anybody's accessing. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:19:42 

Yes. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:19:46 

Underneath what we think is intuition. Intuition for me, is very quiet, it's very subtle, it always gives us our best advice. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:19:54 

But we need to go through that layer of. I want to eat the carrot cake, I want to have the familiar toast, I want to stay with my sandwiches, and. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:20:02 

Whatever it is that we're used to, wine on a Friday night, whatever. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:20:06 

We have to go through that, which is why coaching and talking it through, to be able to access that. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:20:11 

That deeper sense of…. But I know that's actually not right for my body. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:20:15 

Yeah, and that was the next example I wanted to get to, exactly that. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:20:20 

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:20:21 

Where I don't make decisions for my clients, I ask them to make their own based on what they truly want. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:20:27 

Yes. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:20:27 

So, when I, phase out a client's transformation journey, we have four different phases where we'll be focusing on fat loss in one phase. We'll be focusing on muscle building in another phase. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:20:41 

Maintenance, and then metabolic repair. And this particular client, she…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:20:45 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:20:49 

Decided that she was going to begin her fat loss phase. It was like, cool, so we've got everything set up, got the wheels in motion. Couple of weeks in, she just started to feel a bit wobbly about it. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:20:58 

And I said to her, is this something that maybe you feel like you should be doing? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:06 

As opposed to something that you genuinely want. And she sat with that, and she said. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:13 

Yeah, I feel like, because I'm working with a coach. This is what I have to do next. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:19 

And I had to remind her that this was her journey. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:21:19 

Yeah…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:23 

And so… I said, what do you really want? And she said, I'm loving the buzz. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:31 

Of getting strong at the moment. And building more muscle. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:36 

And that is feeling really good to me. I was like, great, well, you're in the wrong phase! [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:21:42 

Yeah, yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:44 

And so, once she made a decision that aligned with what she actually wanted, as opposed to what she thought her coach wanted for her. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:21:53 

Yeah. Yes. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:53 

Then she's able to get in the groove. And her heart was in it again. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:21:58 

Yeah, so good. Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:21:59 

So I never feel like it's for me to tell any of my clients what they want, because only you know what you want. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:01 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:22:06 

And you've got to honour that. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:07 

Yeah. Once we… and I think we can only access that once we've addressed the shoulds. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:22:13 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:15 

And the society's expectations, and…. The fact that just because everyone else is eating cake means I have to as well, because otherwise I'll be left out, yeah, so…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:23 

Yeah, I… and it's… it is key, isn't it? Coming back to…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:28 

Like, making those decisions, empowering. Yourself in a way that is unique to you and your desires and your body. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:22:37 

What's the point in working towards a goal that you don't really want? That feels horrible! [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:40 

I know! Really shit? Yeah. And it's not gonna work. You might get there, but you won't…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:22:45 

You won't follow through, and yeah, yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:46 

State it. You won't sustain it. It would be shit, and you'll give up, and you'll be back to square one, if not heavier. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:51 

Because then you'll judge yourself and beat yourself up, and you're never gonna look after a body when you're not appreciating it, so…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:22:57 

Yeah, so good. So good. Is there anything, …. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:22:59 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:23:05 

That you feel like we haven't quite addressed that is relevant? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:23:11 

What have we not addressed? I suppose relationship with food is quite a big one. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:23:20 

And…. How women struggle to eat more. So. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:23:25 

A big part of my message. Is that you need to…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:23:33 

Eat more food in order to get the body that you want. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:23:36 

And…. Restricting and living on one or two meals a day isn't a badge of honour. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:23:44 

So it's like, how can we flip that script. A little bit. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:23:44 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:23:50 

So that women feel good. About eating food, and about seeing food as a way to. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:23:52 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:23:59 

Nourish their body. Nourish their metabolism. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:24:05 

Fuel their exercise, allow them to sleep properly. Rather than it being a way to just burn fat, like…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:24:13 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:24:14 

Eat less and less and less. The longer your fasting window, the better you are, and…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:24:19 

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, a load of chips. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:24:19 

It's not ladylike to be eating every four hours. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:24:27 

Yeah! [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:24:28 

It's… what… one of the things that I love about you, Amy, is the fact that you sit there and go, I love food! [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:24:35 

And… I love it when food's easy. Because I think that's the other thing, sometimes we can get into, the thing that, oh, if I'm gonna eat. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:24:44 

Real healthy food, that's gonna take for hours to prepare, and…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:24:48 

You know, and that's… that's not your style at all, is it? It's like, no, I love food, and I want it to be as easy as possible, so that it's…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:24:56 

It's all… the whole… the whole process of food is enjoyable. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:25:00 

Yeah, it really should be. People will often say to me, I'm, you know, I might bump into them at a party, and if you're a health and fitness coach, everyone immediately thinks you're going to start judging what they're eating, which couldn't be further from the truth, and everyone wants to start to talk to you about food, and. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:25:17 

You know, about what they've done, what they haven't done. Anyway, people will often say, I would love to lose weight, but I just really enjoy food. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:25:20 

Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:25:26 

And I'm like, great! Great! That's not, like…. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:25:28 

Yeah. Yeah. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:25:30 

It's not either or. It's and you get to have the body you want AND enjoy food. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:25:32 

Yeah, yeah. It's sad, yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:25:37 

Yeah. Yeah, yes, exactly. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:25:38 

It makes it easier if you do enjoy food. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:25:43 

Exactly, I love that. You could lose weight and enjoy food. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:25:48 

Life should always be about and, shouldn't it? -oh. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:25:50 

Yes, yeah, because we always do OR, BUT. It's like, and. It can be one and the other, it doesn't have to be both. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:25:58 

Like, in your world, maybe women are thinking, I can either be a great mum, or I can work on my business. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:26:04 

Exactly, yeah, I can't be… I can't do both, but you can. We can be a great mum and work on our business. Yeah, it's not one or the other. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:26:06 

It's an end, isn't it? [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:26:12 

I love that so much. Thank you, thank you for that conversation. I really enjoyed it. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:26:17 we will put all of your links in the show notes, so if you're listening to this and you like Amy's energy. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:26:23 

Please look her up. she does have a gorgeous body, which she is happy to show on social media that inspires. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:26:32 

Inspires us to move forward, so…. But you do, I think it's brilliant. And, …. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:26:33 

Oh gosh, you're embarrassing me now. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:26:40 

But where is the best place to… there's a really loud helicopter going, or flight going over, sorry, just distracted me. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:26:47 where… where is the best place to find you? [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:26:51 

I'm hanging out on Instagram as Amy Buddy Theory. and Facebook as Amy Oldfield. So, come and connect with me there. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:27:02 

And if you feel inspired to do so, I would welcome you to…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:27:07 

Send me a message, tell me exactly what's going on with you. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:27:12 

And if I've got a free resource, or a little training video or something that I think would be helpful for you, then I'd be more than happy to send it your way. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:27:22 

Amazing. Thank you very, very much. The summer has gone. I mean, we're actually recording this before the summer, but when it goes live, it's going to be September. So, we've kind of been looking forward to Chris, like, looking at Christmas now, which…. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:27:36 

Yeah. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:27:37 

Kind of crazy. I can't talk about Christmas when I'm just going into the summer. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:27:41 

But, thank you so much for coming and talking to me. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:27:44 

And, yeah, it was really, really lovely to have you. [Amy Oldfield - Body Theory] 12:27:48 

It's been great, Nikki. Thanks for having me on now. [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:27:51 

You are welcome. See everybody next week! Bye! [Nicky Bevan, The Working Mums Life Coach] 12:27:59