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100 episodes of GGW means 100 episodes of hot takes, expert guests, wellness myth-busting, Google Doc chaos, tech meltdowns, friendship, rejection, growth, and just enough delusion to keep building something bigger. 

In this episode, we’re talking about what really happens behind the scenes including our favourite guests to our biggest fails, our business goals, and some fun random questions (yes, we talking about our dating life & aliens) to keep things interesting.


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SPEAKER_03

If you're doing all the right things, eating clean, taking the supplements, following the skincare routine, and you're still breaking out, bloated, burnt out, or just feeling off, you are not the problem. The problem is that the wellness world wasn't built for real women with real bodies, real stress, and real questions that deserve better than vague advice and viral wellness trends.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to Girls Gone Wellness, the No BS podcast cutting through the noise with science, SAS, and Zero Shame. I'm Jeanette.

SPEAKER_03

And I'm Victoria, and we're naturopathic medical graduates who didn't just wake up one day and decide we were into wellness. We've spent the last decade learning the science, doing the clinical work, and graduating with the degrees.

SPEAKER_01

This isn't just another influencer podcast. We're not here to sell you a greens powder or to tell you to balance your hormones with seed cycling and good vibes. We're done with fear-mongering around food, detox teas, clean beauty BS, overpriced supplements that you don't need, and the biggest lie that you are the problem when it doesn't work. No, we're flipping the script.

SPEAKER_03

This is Girls Gone Wellness. Smart, sexy, science-backed, and built for women like you.

SPEAKER_02

That's so crazy. Especially like what? Did you prop? Nope. Neither did I.

SPEAKER_01

Neither did I. What were you gonna say? I was gonna say it's actually crazy. Well, we haven't had like a hundred different guests because we've done like our own, and then we've had some people for repeats, but pretty close to that. Like almost a hundred different people. If we had all those people in a room, that'd be a lot of people. Yeah. A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03

So creative connections we've made. Like, I don't know if we can just highlight for a second that both of us have jobs, clinic jobs, because of this podcast.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, that's true. Who knows where we would be? Jobless, probably homeless. Jobless and homeless.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

See, this is what people don't know about us is actually, I don't know if we've ever said this, but when we record podcasts, we write in a Google Doc because otherwise we constantly interrupt each other.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And people are like, oh my gosh, you guys are so organized. Like, I've been on podcasts where people are just interrupting and no one knows when they're talking. And it's like, if you only saw the notes that were in our Google Docs.

SPEAKER_03

I know. I almost feel like we should do like a carousel post of like just different segments of our Google Docs. Because they're so funny. Definitely. I can't even figure out what you're saying half the time, but I just we just know. Like we're just like, you know, in the start.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh, he's so cute. I'm nervous.

SPEAKER_02

That's going in the carousel.

SPEAKER_03

Anyway. Anyway. Okay, so I thought today we could do like a fun rapid fire. 100 rapid fires.

SPEAKER_01

Excited.

SPEAKER_03

There's some hot seat ones. And we have to, you can't pass. You have to be truthful. And we're not editing a single thing. Okay, let's go. All right. All right. Favorite guest.

SPEAKER_01

It's really hard, but honestly, I really liked Renee Warren's episode. We just released that one this week, like as we're recording it, but oh my gosh, like I just loved her approach to things and the way she thought through things. And everything she said was like a video clip. Like I had a friend that listened to it, and she was like, wow, everything that she says could be like a quote that you could put on your phone screen background or something like that. So true. She's just like the best. And we need to have her on for another episode because I know she's so sweet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Also, when we were doing like, so when we make our video clips, we put timestamps for like which ones we should really make for Instagram. And like the page was full. Like it was like every minute of the podcast.

SPEAKER_01

I gave up halfway. I was like, honestly, just anything that you pull is gonna be good.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, seriously. Um, I think her, I also think we haven't released the episode yet, but Dr. Jody Carrington's episode was so much fun. And I think it was the first time I was actually speechless. I don't remember what she said, but I remember being like, I don't even know what to say right now because I was amazed at what she was saying.

SPEAKER_01

I know. Hers was really good too. We recorded those, like, I can't remember if it was the same day, but within the same week. Yeah. So those were really good episodes, but she was amazing. It's so hard to pick a favorite guest because like I love all of our episodes. I know, but it's true.

SPEAKER_03

And if you think back to like ones ages ago, like those people were also everyone was so good. We haven't really had any episode that we've posted, at least, where they were bad. Yeah. Right. I really liked everyone. Okay, love it. Oh, I also love Beth Fareko. Hilarious.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yes. Hers was, yeah, yeah. I know. There's just so many, like, it's so hard to pick.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Most intimidating guest.

SPEAKER_03

Well, when we first recorded with Jordan Robertson, we were literally, guys, like shitting our pants, which is so funny because now I work for her. But it's just like, I can't even explain it because we started the podcast with the intent of honestly making that connection. So it was just like funny. And then, of course, the audio was so bad. Remember, there was like Wi-Fi issues. And oh my God, we were so stressed.

SPEAKER_01

I remember like I was in clinic at that point, like trying to edit that episode, and oh my gosh, it was like a disaster. Luckily, we haven't had like many issues like that, where it's like you literally can't download the episodes and like they don't work. But of course, I was like, of course, the one person, like the one episode that we were like dying to release was like such a pain. But yeah, yeah, for sure. I think for me, I think it was Spencer Nadolski, just because like once we once we talked to him, like you realize like how chill he is, yeah, and like how like yeah, just down to earth of a person he is. But I think because number one, it was like the first episode we were gonna release, like after we did our rebrand, so there's like pressure that way to like get a big guest. And then obviously someone like that is just so knowledgeable and has so much clinical experience, and like you don't want to say something wrong, and you you want to make sure you're accurate, and you just you don't it like yeah, but he made it a lot like he made it so much easy because yeah he's just so chill and down to earth, but I think he was probably the most intimidating.

SPEAKER_03

You know, when you say something wrong and then you like remember it for the rest of your life and you cringe every time you think of it, that episode I said instead of saying backlash, I said bash lack.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_03

And I honestly like I still think of it sometimes. I'm like, that is so annoying of me. It's okay. Ew, I give myself the ick.

SPEAKER_01

I know it's fine.

SPEAKER_03

I really didn't like that. The funny thing about Spencer too is that at with our male guests, we'll like ask them to be on our podcast, and like nine times out of ten, they're just like, Yeah, sure. Like they don't ask any questions. No, they don't care. We're like our female guests sometimes are like, How many views do you have?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah, and that's so funny.

SPEAKER_03

Episode we were most nervous to release, most nervous?

SPEAKER_01

Maybe Jordan's episode just because we talked about like the naturopathic community a lot in that episode, and we said some things that are like, oh, like we could get backlash, but maybe not ones that we recorded, but when we were a guest on her podcast. That one I was like, oh, like I know. But we had so many people like reach out to us on the podcast. I had people reach out to me personally, like so many students that were like, Oh, we found you, you guys through Jordan's podcast, like we agree with everything you said, blah blah blah. Like, so clearly there's people that agree, but I think that one was like we had the most hot takes and we did not hold back. But no, we didn't, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And you know what? We also got a lot of bash lack. We got a lot of black backlash on that one too, from a lot of entities. But I also think that most of the people who gave us poor feedback or critical feedback, it was people who didn't listen to the episode and they just listened to the clips. The clips the clips are a little harsh, but the episode we explained what we meant.

SPEAKER_01

And I think 100%. Well, that's the whole point of inst uh instructions. Like you're trying to get a reaction, which like is fine, but yeah, if you listen to the episode, you would hear the nuance. But I mean, yeah, sometimes are real some some of them there was no nuance, some we just said it's true.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, okay. The episode we didn't release.

SPEAKER_01

Well, there's a few.

SPEAKER_03

There's a few, and some of them are are for fine reasons.

SPEAKER_01

Some of them were good episodes, and I'm mad that we couldn't release them. It's just like tech issue, like we just couldn't like there was just no way to put the episode together, it just would not work. Okay. Biggest podcast fail. Biggest podcast fail.

SPEAKER_03

Um I mean, we've definitely been like humbled a few times. But I don't know that I call them fails because we've just like, not to be like, you know, preachy, but I feel like every time we've been like knocked down, it's like helped us build better. Yeah. Yeah, we've definitely been like, if we're talking like rejection, we've been rejected a million times. This podcast has made me so good at handling rejection.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, if you talk talk about that, there's been people where it's like we'll reach out and then they ask, like, oh, is this like a paid opportunity? And if not, they're like, Oh, I don't have time for that, which like honestly fair. Like, I get it. I totally get it. Like, we're doing this and we're not getting paid like to do the episode. So, like, I get it. You only have so much time in the day. And then, like, some people that just won't respond or whatever, but respond and then ghost us when it's the time to record. Oh, yeah, yeah, true. Yeah, we have had that a couple of times actually, where we've like had people, and it's funny because like the two people that ghosted us were like the hardest to schedule and get on in like so much backend admin work and emailing and stuff. And it's like you get them in and then they don't show up, and then both times no show, and then like send an email, no response to the email, send a DM, no response to DM, but like get their posting on social media, so that's a bit strange. Yeah, I guess those would be like our biggest fails, but it doesn't happen. Most people are good about it because most people, yeah. But yeah, people are good, interesting.

SPEAKER_03

Aside from that, like we've definitely hit some obstacles, but I don't think we've like really failed at anything.

SPEAKER_01

No, I think everything is a learning experience. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03

Totally. Um, have you ever hated an episode after recording it? Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like it's just me and you have just we have specific personalities, and it's nothing against the other person. Some people are just more quiet or more reserved, and like that's just who they are and their personality. Um, but sometimes it's hard to like when we have a certain energy to match that energy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And it's hard to kind of be on an equal playing field. It's not that it's a bad episode, it's just like no.

SPEAKER_03

Sometimes I think, like, okay, our podcast is called Girls Go on Wellness. Like, this is not like welcome to science 101. Do you know what I mean? And yes, yeah, yes, we of course want to share that. That was like kind of the whole point. But I do think that sometimes, and I'm gonna say this, and I hope that whoever's listening, if you ever go on a podcast, take this as like a nice piece of advice. Talk more than you even think you should. Like, it's okay if you feel like you're rambling. Yeah. Because so many times I think people think they're talking too much and they stop. And it's like people are listening to a podcast because they want to learn the things that they're not seeing in a carousel or a reel. 100%.

SPEAKER_01

And people are listening, people are listening for the guest as well. Yeah. And like for the information that they're sharing. So yeah, it's been like like some of those times, it's been hard where it's like me and you kind of have to like lead the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Which is fine, but like that, those times I'm like, okay, like it's hard. Yeah. But it's nothing against the other person.

SPEAKER_03

It's just no, no, the comfort thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, did you ever think this podcast wouldn't make it?

SPEAKER_01

Not really. Like, make it. I don't know. I always knew like getting into podcasts or when we started it, that it takes like years. Like, I knew this wasn't gonna be like, oh, in a couple months, like it's gonna be like our career. Um, I just know because even before I started this podcast, I listened to health podcasts all of the time. Like, I loved listening to different podcasts and guests and stuff. And they always talked about like how it's a long game and you really have to do it because you really like it and be okay with like the time and the energy it puts like that you have to put into it and not to just go into it because you think you're gonna make money because it's not how this industry works. So I never really had that thought because I always in the back of my head thought like, number one, it's a long game, and number two, like I would just do this for fun. Like, even if we weren't getting paid or anything, like I would still do it because the connections and like the people we've met is like way worth more than any like financial gain. So 100%. That was like my thinking. Like, I didn't really go into it for the money, yeah. But I mean, it's not like we're getting paid billions of dollars. It's like we're getting paid though, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It is something like if you told us two years ago when we started, okay, in two years, you're gonna have like a bank account that you are getting paid monthly in, like we wouldn't we'd be shocked. Yeah, right. I do think like sometimes it's funny how you like move the goalpost for things, like we're actually doing really well.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But I don't think I even thought for a second though that it wouldn't like make it to even what it is now, or like I think it's just gonna keep growing. I just think it is, it just feels right.

SPEAKER_01

I know. We're about you gotta be a bit delusional when you're a business owner. And if you're not, then you're talking about the most delusional girl on the planet right now.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, have you ever thought about quitting this?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. No, no, me either. Sometimes it gets really freaking annoying, and I'm like, I hate doing this. Like, I wish I could hire someone to help me out. But like, again, it's just kind of like that thing where it's like, I this is just what I'm supposed to be doing. Like, you just gotta keep going. I feel like when you find something, and Renee talked about this in our episode, but it's like when you find something that is so aligned and you feel like it is part of your purpose, it like doesn't feel like it just feels like it's something you're supposed to do. Like, yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03

It's not really an option to quit because it's like she even said there's parts of that work that you love, like tax season, for example, that sucks. It doesn't mean that the job's not good just because you're dreading April, you know. So I think that's with us too. It's like every time we have to edit this freaking thing or do a YouTube edit or whatever, it's like we just want to die. But or like you making the website was like, I thought Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01

Just finish the website halfway and be like, here you go. I'm done. Good luck out there. No, it was honestly like as annoying as it was, it was fun because it's like and now you're functioning. And I was like, I can make the website as I want to make it in.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I had full control. Yeah, imagine me making it. Oh it would be the worst. Oh, excuse me. No, it would actually be so bad. No, it'd be fine. I would have given up for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, do we actually argue biggest disagreement?

SPEAKER_03

I don't think we argue. No, I don't think we've ever actually hit like fought at like texting, like hate texting.

SPEAKER_04

No, joking.

SPEAKER_01

Um biggest disagreement? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

We've disagreed on like little things, but then we always like compromise on it and figure it out.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like maybe like little things about like a guest or like what the topic should be or like what we're post it, like, but little things like that where it's just like again, like when you're running a business with another person, it's like yeah, you have to compromise on some things, and like sometimes the other person knows better than you, and you have to be like, yeah, like you know.

SPEAKER_03

So do you know that when so I went through our texts from when we started the podcast? Yeah, I I said the name, Girls Gone Wellness, and you you actually were like, Do you think that like that's a bad idea to use that name? Like, do you think people will get it?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, like do you think did I really reach out?

SPEAKER_03

I think people will get the oh, I see, yeah. And I was like, oh, like we literally had that conversation where we were like, wait, should we do this?

SPEAKER_01

Right. But then you were right in the end because I was like, you know what? Like you have to be a little on the on the line. And I'm glad we went with that. Because I think that comes from me, like I'm always very like cautious, like I'm a very cautious person. Yeah, but you're good because we're good with that, because it's like you're kind of more taking, you're more risk taking. So yeah, I lean on that a bit because I'm like, yeah, you're probably right when it comes to all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, no, we actually complement each other so well because like even your organization and like having things in order, like, I would not be able to do this podcast if I didn't have that, you know.

SPEAKER_01

I love that. We did we did to have such a wide breadth of like skills to do this on your own. Like, you have to be such a well-rounded person to be able to do all this on your own. Like, there's no way, there's literally no way I can do it on my own.

SPEAKER_03

No. Okay. What annoys you most about your co-host?

SPEAKER_01

There's so many things. So just let me think for a second.

SPEAKER_03

Let me think which one I want to share.

SPEAKER_01

What annoys me the most, and maybe this is a me thing because I'm crazy, is like when you don't answer your text because I'm like, oh, something needs to get done right now, and then like I cannot get a hold of you. But that's also a me thing where it's like, okay, that's really not that serious. Like, it doesn't need to be done right this second. And like that's like again, like a thing that I have to work on myself. So it's not actually a you thing, it's a me problem.

SPEAKER_03

But I feel like usually when you're annoyed with someone, it it usually is more of a you problem. It's because of your own stuff, yeah. So yeah, it's funny though, because you and I are on these different extremes. Like that's what I was gonna say for what annoys me most is like the urgency of like everything is urgent with you. Yeah, I know. And I am the opposite to a fault, right? So, like, I need to come more towards the center, and you need to come more towards the center because I will straight up just be like, fuck it, like I I just won't. Like, you asked me maybe 15 times how many tote bags I had, and like, and I still don't have the number.

SPEAKER_01

Like, how many times did I have to text you about these freaking tote bags?

SPEAKER_03

Like, oh if you saw, if you saw the environment in which these tote bags are, you would understand they're everywhere. The manufacturing facility's at my house, guys.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, yeah, it's fine, but yeah, I agree. I think we both have to that's why we're good because we're both on the opposite side, so we both come together. Yeah, but yeah, we definitely and that's the thing I have to work on too, like even in my own personal life. It's like so many people have told me that where it's like you need to chill, like it's okay if it doesn't get done, but yeah, I think that's like a nervous system thing for me.

SPEAKER_03

But you just decide you're like today, this needs to be done.

SPEAKER_01

Oh and you think I like my boyfriend is worse. Like, I don't know how that needs to figure that out. It needs to be done that second, that millisecond. So, like yeah, yeah, yeah, but it works.

SPEAKER_03

Somehow, some way. Okay, that's kind of the same question. Do you ever get embarrassed or insecure about our content?

SPEAKER_01

Maybe at first, like maybe at first when we were in clinic, and then like when we were in school and like we were around all the people. People. Yeah. But again, maybe that's a me thing where it's like, you think that people care about you, but really they don't. And everyone just cares about themselves. So, like, in reality, no one really cares about you. Yeah. But now I'm like, I actually don't care. Someone actually asked me about this a couple days ago because they are just starting to work or whatever. And they had to open their Instagram page to public instead of private. And they were like, How do you do it? Like with the podcast? Like, do you ever get scared or like embarrassed? And like, honestly, like you have to let that go. Like, obviously, there's photos that I don't like of myself or whatever. And like videos, I'm like, oh, I don't look great in, or like whatever it is that you're insecure about. But it's like at the end of the day, like, no one is looking at you, no one cares. People are so mindlessly scrolling, like, they're not even clocking like what even is on their page anyway. You're your biggest critic. So I'm like, no. And then honestly, I'm like, if someone else wanted to do it, they would do it, and they're not doing it, and I'm doing it, and we're doing it. So whatever. Yeah.

unknown

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I do not give a flying F. I don't. I don't. I share it to my personal page. I had someone, I had someone write to me, like DM me saying, Did you mean to share this on your personal page? Because I guess they thought maybe I meant to share it on my Thyroid page. Oh, I don't care. I totally meant to share it to this page. Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I'm reposting, I'm sharing, like, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

When you launch your merch, get ready. It's gonna be freaking everywhere. And I don't care. Sorry, trying to run a freaking business.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you have to be your own biggest like cheerleader, else who's gonna like you can't expect other people to do the work for you. So it's like, and if people don't like it, they can unfollow and like goodbye. So I don't know. That's how I feel. Oh, they do, and I don't care. Yeah, yeah. Okay. What do you think we could improve on? Should we ask our guests this? Yeah, we have gotten feedback from our editing and everything, which, like, oh my gosh. I try my best, guys. Like, we edit, and it's like, number one, we do all of our stuff online. So that's like one obstacle where it's like when you're not in a studio and you don't have like a whole on sound production and like production company helping you out. Obviously, the podcasts that most people are listening to are like professional, like these people are getting paid to do that, so it's gonna sound perfect, but unfortunately, we can only do so much, so we try our best, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know. That's maybe, yeah, maybe not a question really for us. I think we're perfect.

SPEAKER_01

Guess, tell us, DM us. What's our biggest weakness?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, DM us, tell us, yeah, exactly. Long-term goals for the podcast. What is your like big, what do we used to call that? It was like the B, oh big, hairy, audacious goal, the B Hag.

SPEAKER_01

I have never heard that in my whole life.

SPEAKER_03

I do not know what that is. We literally learned. We talked about this in health psychology when you're doing like smart goals. Clearly, I wasn't there for that class. Clearly, you weren't paying attention. No, it's that very important class. Oh, yeah, it's like it's called your B Heg, big, hairy, audacious goal. It's like, what is that big, huge goal? But like you're gonna do all the little steps to get there, but like, what is that main outcome that you're looking for? Mine's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

You go first.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. I would like someone to like buy us like dear media.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. My heart. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, right. What the heck else? Yeah, it's kind of the whole goal, is like so you don't have to do all this on your own. It's kind of the whole goal for anyone that does a podcast is to get picked up by someone. So yeah, it's definitely my goal as well. So we'll see. Just keep going and we'll see.

SPEAKER_03

All right, GGW after dark. These are just kind of unhinged questions. Okay. Okay. What's the most unhinged thing you've ever done in a relationship?

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, I have so many. I feel like I'm not a crazy person.

SPEAKER_03

You're not, which is probably why you're more successful.

unknown

What?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, in that department. In that department, yeah. I yeah. I don't know, you go first because I'll have to think about it.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. I think the craziest was I was talking to someone who had a flight to come see me. And he was kind of like being a little distant, but like he had a literal flight in the cat, like, he'd already booked it and everything. And my friend and I managed to hack into his Expedia account to find out that he had canceled the flight. So I knew before he even told me that he wasn't coming. Oh, we literally hacked into his Expedia account with zero information.

SPEAKER_01

You just guessed his email and guessed his password.

SPEAKER_03

Mm-hmm. I did have access to an email just through I can't share how, but I found found an email. And then the password, I knew his password. I'm trying to remember if this I don't even remember if we needed a password. I knew his password for like Netflix or something. So I'm trying to remember if we used that or if we what happened. But we ended up literally getting in and finding that he canceled the flight.

SPEAKER_01

Holy shit. Honestly, you wouldn't be able to do that now because like now everything has two-factor authentication. So they would send the per that person like a code to their phone, and like they would be like, What the fuck is happening? But you know what? Listen, this is why everyone should have different passwords for different things because this can happen. Because there's you to all those men out there, like watch out. Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's one of them. But I mean, yeah, it's not the craziest thing I've heard. I mean, clearly my my thought was right. I mean, if men could just communicate, we wouldn't have to go to these extents.

SPEAKER_01

So I wouldn't have to be insane. That's what I'm saying. So there you go. I honestly don't know. I'm just like crazy when it comes to like social media. Like, and like I think every girl, like, I don't think this is like a crazy thing. Like, I just when I was like dating someone, like, I would always check to see like, did they like my stories? Like, did they comment? Did they like I would be obsessed with like that aspect of things? Like, oh, like, why did they take so long to Snapchat me back when Snapchat was nothing, or like, you know, like it's been a while for me, but I feel like that's not even crazy. I think everyone is like that, but like that became like, yeah, and I would get like super upset if people didn't like my stories.

SPEAKER_03

You know what I find really funny about that is now your boyfriend is the worst. I know he like randomly will go on like a spree of liking our content, like and honestly, that was like the hardest thing for me when we started dating because he is like chronically not online, and I'm like chronically online.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and yeah, it was like, why aren't you liking my story? Like, why aren't you like up to date? Like, you know, when you're like first dating someone and you post stories, like and you want like specifically for them, like for you're literally looking for attention. It's like, hello, and then he's just like, Oh, I don't go on Instagram, like like that is the biggest green flag ever, but I understand why. I saw I saw a post the other day on Instagram and it made me laugh because it was like, no guy that I'm dating should be posting like carousel photo drops. Like, if anyone does a photo dump, if any man does a photo dump, stay away. Oh my god, put a song to it.

SPEAKER_03

Bonus points if it's Drake. Stay away. Literally, no, that is not okay. And the other thing, highlights. Get rid of those. We don't need Instagram highlights about your life. Oh, you're a man.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I know. I think the last post that made was a picture of me and him from like 2019. That is the biggest green flag ever. Honestly. Honestly, I love it.

SPEAKER_03

Anyway, um, what conspiracy theory could you be convinced of?

SPEAKER_01

There's so many. I'm a big believer in aliens. Like, I think that there definitely is aliens. Like there, the universe is so big, like you can't even comprehend it. For sure. And how many different universes are within just this universe, and then there's like billions of Milky Ways that have different universe, like there is for sure life out there, but we will never know. But I 100% believe that.

SPEAKER_03

Um I was thinking more health related.

unknown

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_03

I'm kidding. I mean, come on. Yeah, no, I can see why your brain would go there. We definitely don't know what's going on. No. For sure.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, not health related, like something crazy.

SPEAKER_03

Like, yeah, not health related. No, not health related. I was kidding. I think this is like hopefully not gonna get us hate. I think like the whole Charlie Kirk thing that happened, I'm like, there's something weird about that whole thing. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. Like, I don't know. I can definitely go down the rabbit holes for that one.

SPEAKER_01

For sure. Yeah, yeah. Something isn't right there. We'll we'll figure it out in a few years, I'm sure. But yeah, something is not right there.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

What is something people spend money on that you think is insane?

SPEAKER_01

Um, um. Okay. I will say, I will say this because like I've never done it. So maybe when I am lucky enough to get a chance to do it, I will have a completely different idea, and I'm sure I will, but like flying first class, I just can't understand that. Okay, so first class and then also cruises, but I will start with the first class first. So first class, I personally have a thing where it's like if you're spending five thousand to fifteen thousand dollars on just getting to your destination for like seven to twelve hours, you can go on like however whatever much your trip costs, two to three extra trips, full on vacations for that price. Like, yeah, I would rather just like hate my life for 12 hours in economy and like actually want to die. But like now I have $15,000 in my pocket that I can go on more trips for, or I can spend on whatever else I want. Like, and again, like I've never obviously flown first class, but like yeah, maybe once I do and I do a lie down bad, I'm gonna have a completely different outlook. But right now, like I just don't understand that. It's just you would have like for me to do that, like you would have to have such an excess of money that like it wouldn't even make a difference, and you could still go on those like few trips. Yeah. But like in order to give up that just to be like a little bit more comfortable, I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, not if you have to sacrifice then you if you have to sacrifice part of your trip to do first class, then you actually don't have the money to fly first class.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, maybe that's what I'm going for here. Like, yeah, if you if it doesn't even make a dent into your like expenses, then sure. But for me, I don't know. And I think there's a lot of people that don't actually have the money to do that and they're doing it anyway, but yeah, that's decide. And then cruises, again, the same kind of thing. Sorry to all the cruise people. Why are you paying thousands of dollars to be on a boat in the middle of the ocean, surrounded by other people, where you're also forced to spend more money and you can't get off the boat, going to destinations where you can only spend a few hours and you can't go further than where your port is and you can't even explore your actual vacations. Again, I would rather fly to where I want to go for a few hours traveling and then spend all of that time in the actual destination where I am. Yeah. But I digress.

SPEAKER_03

Not to mention cruises are like literally just a cesspool of germs.

SPEAKER_01

I don't want to get norovirus, I don't want to get hantavirus, like I don't like I know.

SPEAKER_03

No, I'm not about it. Not for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

The only time I would go on a cruise is like if it's like one of those smaller like river cruises through Europe, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Those are different. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. No, I completely agree with the cruises. I flew first class by like it wasn't intentional. I don't know how it happened.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, and like okay, to be fair, I'm sure there's planes that their first class is like spectacular. This was not one of those planes.

SPEAKER_01

It was like lie down seats, like, yeah, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03

This was not like that. This was first place on like first class on like a regular business class or whatever. Yeah, it was like great because I had this big comfy seat, a big like the desk was big. They give you like a hot towel. I'm not sure why, but they do. That's great. But like, no, I would never go out of my way to pay that much. The only thing I would pay more for on a flight, and I think you know this about me, I love like room. Like, put me in the emergency exit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I will pay more for that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I just like having room.

SPEAKER_01

Emergency exit, fine in economy, but like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, like again, hopefully I'm successful enough to experience first class sometime in my life, and maybe at that point I'll have a different outlook. But I think for me, like just in general, spending money on travel, like not like vacation, but like getting to your destination is like the I hate spending money on that. Like, whether it be like Ubers or like trains or flights or like I hate that. Like, if I have to, I will like go out of my way just to use transit so I don't have to use an Uber because like I just hate spending $20 on an Uber when I was like, I could use that $20 for literally anything else. Like it's just my thing. Like, I hate it.

SPEAKER_03

That's where we're different. Cause I would rather spend the money on an Uber than tran than transit.

SPEAKER_01

Well, you're also not you don't also don't live in a city, so it's different for like it's you're used to driving like in your own car and like having that comfort. Yeah, but yeah, that's true. I could use the $20 for skincare or something like that, but that's just my outlook.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, let's go down a little bit. Oh, what's the last thing that made you cry?

SPEAKER_01

Getting deep, getting deep here. My bank account balance. Speaking of it's been rough out here. Oh no, uh yeah, it's fine. It's just like one year past graduation, all these board exams, like they add up so quickly. Yeah, and then traveling for them and like all this stuff, like adds up so quickly. And yeah, obviously, we're people that have like big goals, and with big goals, you need to spend money, so it's like a weird time, but yeah, we'll get there.

SPEAKER_03

Definitely, yeah. But actually, I'm pretty sure mine was financial too. I cried, yeah, it was. I cried the other day when I had to go to the bank. Yeah, that's very relatable. I was like, I'm literally such an idiot. Like, I'm why am I so dumb? It wasn't until I left the bank that I actually felt better, which was a great experience. But when I was leading up to that and I was trying to figure out what I need to ask for, I was like, I'm so overwhelmed.

SPEAKER_01

You know, it's so it's like a whole different language. It's like medicine, like being in finance. It's like, I don't know. We're just if we're just basically, yeah. If you didn't grow up in a house where it's like your parents were worked in a bank or accountants or whatever, it's just like, I don't know about you or anyone else, but like I didn't have like that constant like education. It was kind of just like, here's like the basics. Yeah. See, and then like obviously an undergrad, like it's just crazy because then it's like I went away for school at 17 and then I just had like a line of credit and then a credit card, and it's like here you go at 18, and like try to like live your life without any budget or anything, like what you have a budget, but like without any financial knowledge, just it's a lot. And then yeah, being a business owner is a whole other thing because it's like you really have to be financially literate because you don't have company paying you a salary, you don't have anyone paying your benefits, you don't have like anything, like you're a hundred percent responsible, so it's like it's a lot, and like you can go to jail if you f up your taxes bad enough. Yeah, well, we're we're gonna hire accountants so that doesn't happen, but I think about these things. Yeah, that will be a clip.

SPEAKER_03

What is the most unhealthy thing you do?

SPEAKER_01

Unhealthy.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like that's such a subjective term now.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I need to get better with probably like social media and like just like my time management. Yeah, I think is probably like it's just strange, like again, like being a business owner, because like and Rene Renee, I keep bringing her up, but she talked about this too, where it's like, yeah, you make your own hours, but like you could technically be less productive than someone that is working a nine to five. And I definitely feel that where it's like, oh, I don't have to be anywhere at a certain time when I'm not like working at my other job right now, but yeah, I just think I need to be better with that, and like I can waste a lot of time, I think, on things that like aren't important. It's hard. But again, that's like a me issue where it's like that's an easy fix. I just don't implement it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, I would agree. Screen time is probably my worst habit. I was really good for a while at like keeping it really low. I put that little like widget on your phone where you can see the amount of time and like checking my phone. It's crazy when you start paying attention. The second I roll over, it's like this craving to look at your phone. When you try to be so intentional about not looking at it, it's like you get uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01

I know. And like what I've noticed with the podcast is like because we're posting so much, and like obviously it's like we're so excited about things. It's like this constant like dopamine where it's like if you're posting every day, like you constantly get that hit where it's like, oh, these people are sharing, like, oh, like there's people commenting, or like you're constantly like getting like that like dopamine. So when you don't, it's like weird, and I don't like that. I've noticed that recently with the podcast where it's like, yeah, that's but I don't know. Like, I would love one day to hire someone to do my social media, so like I don't have to like feel like I'm on it all the time. Um definitely something that I feel like could go down a very slippery slope.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah. What would you buy if someone handed you $25,000 today and you had to spend it immediately? No, I don't mind.

SPEAKER_01

I want to be bored, like my like logical brain is like, oh, pay off my student loans. No, put it towards my student loan, but like no, you can't. Hmm.

SPEAKER_03

If I had to spend we should have the same answer.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, you say it.

SPEAKER_03

A boop job.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Are you kidding?

SPEAKER_01

We don't have money left over. We will have money left over after that. Okay, so we're both getting that done, and then what the extra, probably a trip to like Italy or something like that. I would like that.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, the boop job we want is $17,000.

SPEAKER_01

Right. We'd still have a good amount left over. Okay, so that probably would get some boat talks done.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

We could just do like some like upkeep, you know? Yeah. Some of that, and then I would take the rest and probably go on a nice vacation to Europe.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like I would get my hair done. I would go to Zara. Okay, I would do a really big shopping spree, and then I would go on a trip. I don't know where.

SPEAKER_01

Nice. Yeah. I could definitely use a shopping spree, but yeah, like it's time.

SPEAKER_03

This is ridiculous. I know. I need to shop.

SPEAKER_01

I know.

SPEAKER_03

One day. One day. Okay, if you could do it all again, would you still become an atroph?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I'm not an indie yet. So to be determined on that. We still have time to get out. Still working towards that. So yeah, 100%. Yeah. 100%. I feel like the more we do the podcast and the more like that I move on in life, I'm like more and more sure that that's the career I want. It's like the perfect career. Like, honestly, it's like you get to do medicine, you get to do lifestyle, you get to talk to people, you get to do hands-on stuff, you get to use your brain. Like, it's just like the best.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like, I agree. I agree. Yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_03

I think same. I think if you asked me that while I was writing board exams, I might break down into tears. But yeah, but I do think like once you get out onto the other side of that, it starts feeling a little bit better. Yeah, for sure. Let's go down a little bit. What do people think is glamorous about our career that absolutely is not?

SPEAKER_01

I think on the outside, people probably think that, like, like we get to make our own hours and like we're not as busy because, like, we can just spend all this time with patients, and like it's very chill, and like we just see them, and like we charge $3,000 to see one patient, and like our job is done two days out of the week, and like that's it. Yeah. But like with any business owner, like, you don't see all of the admin and the charting and the researching, and like all of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes, and like being your own business owner and having to pay for your licensing fees and your insurance and like your board exams and your continuing education and paying into your own retirement and like all the stuff where it's like yeah, yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_03

And people will be like, Oh my gosh, natural paths charge so much money. And it's like, yeah, but you didn't see the $6,000 I dropped from my freaking website, the $2,000 for the clinician database, all the C um CE credits, continuing education credits we do every freaking year. Like, yeah, yeah, we spend a lot of money to work in this career. I think that's the unglamorous side of things. It's expensive, it's very expensive.

SPEAKER_01

I know Jordan Robertson was saying, like, at least in Ontario, but probably similar to anywhere as an ND, like the hour, like the hourly rate just to work and show up as an ND is like something like $12 an hour or something like that. Like, even you just showing up without seeing any patients is costing you $12 an hour.

SPEAKER_03

Like you're paying into your registration, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So it's interesting with healthcare. Like, had so many conversations with people. Like, I understand like it can feel icky when people are charging you for healthcare.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And I understand that, but it's like at the end of the day, like we all like this is just a career like anyone else's career that's working a nine to five. Like, we still have to pay for everything that people with a job, regular nine to five job, have to pay for and more. So it's like, as much as I don't want people to feel like I'm charging them too much, like I also have to make sure I can pay my rent and survive and yeah, like yeah, and like try to live my life and enjoy my life as well.

SPEAKER_03

Like, we we all have a right in this world to, you know, enjoy the conversation you have with patients about your cancellation policy, too. Like they're like, oh, you shouldn't get charged if you cancel. I can't stand that conversation because if your boss said to you, Oh, you know what, we're gonna cancel our 4 p.m. meeting today, I'm just not gonna pay you for that last hour, by the way, though. Excuse me? No, that would never happen. We like we don't do this job to get paid, but we work, yeah, because we need to pay for our lives and our families and all of the things. Like, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01

I think I think it just comes down to it being healthcare and it's someone's health, and people have, I mean, it's just the way the system is, but people think that you shouldn't be charging over a certain dollar amount for health care to help people, which I don't know. I yeah, it's a hard conversation. It's tough.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay, what are you currently working on in therapy?

SPEAKER_01

I love how you have a whole section for therapy. Like, this is so real. I haven't seen my therapist. Like, I've only been seeing her like once a month, but um, I recently have like new well, through my boyfriend, I have better coverage. So I'm hoping I can see her more.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's me.

SPEAKER_01

I know. So I want to work through, I guess, like what I was talking about before, like this whole like urgency thing that I have, because that shows up in a lot of parts of my life, like the urgency, the anxiety, like all of that. So I want to work through that. I also need need to work through my relationship with money because that like yeah, I rationally know, but I think like, and maybe people that are NDs or business owners or whatever can like relate to this, but with board exams and expenses and stuff, like your concept of money just like goes out the window. Like, I don't even know, like I do know, but a thousand dollars is just like I can't even comprehend it because when I was in Vancouver doing two of my board exams, like I was there for five days, I did two board exams. It costed me like eight thousand dollars just to be there for five days to do two board exams. Like, yep, like eight thousand dollars, like that is so much money, but it's just like you don't even really think about it because you it's just something you have to do. Yeah, but it's just like yeah, so I definitely need to to work through all of that, but yeah, it's a lot.

SPEAKER_03

It is I see my therapist like once every two weeks now, which is good. Yeah, I feel like that's like a good schedule to be on. Um, we're doing a lot of like mindfulness stuff, like really being like aware of things because I do everything. I think this is a result of CCNM. I do everything distracted. So, like I'll be eating dinner and I'm also planning a podcast episode and I'm posting on my other Instagram and I'm checking who viewed the story, and like it's just like I can never just do one thing and enjoy it. So we've been working on that, and this is the crazy thing. This is so naturopathic. Do you know my digestion has dramatically improved? Nice. I just literally not using a screen while I eat. Nice crazy, like little things like that that I know work, and we tell patients about them, but you just don't do yourself, you know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um so we've been doing a lot of that. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I think everyone can improve on all of those things as well.

SPEAKER_03

For sure. What belief did you have about your life? About what your life would look like right now that you're grieving.

SPEAKER_01

What? Um, okay, well, I thought that I would be an ND by now. I thought I would have been moved out and been working by now. So my vision board that I made like in December, like I had to grieve that because nothing, like nothing, well, I won't say nothing because we're only halfway done the year, but like majority of the stuff I put on there is like not happening, which is fine. But like that was like a big thing that I had to like grieve and be okay with. And I think because like I had like I like control and I like knowing things and I like planning things out and like having control over what things are gonna look like, it's hard for me to be like to understand that like things aren't actually gonna work out the way that I thought. So that's something I I had to grieve a bit where it's like I'm still gonna get there, it's just gonna be a different timeline. But yeah, I had that was a good lesson for me because I can't hold like such a tight grip on everything because once one thing goes, it's like it's a lot.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, the timeline for sure. Yeah. Um, yeah. I think I also grieve, like not to like sound crazy, but like being like not being with someone, like a partner, because like all of my colleagues, like you, like all of our friends in the program are. And I think that there's like I'm doing such amazing things and I love my life so much. So you want to like have someone there. Um, and I think I just kind of figured I would by this point.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So I would say that that's it's it's grieving, but it's also like it's fine. But you know, just yeah, that you just like didn't expect to not be there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you'll find them eventually. Maybe they're listening to this podcast. Reach out, DM at FedUp Thyroid.

SPEAKER_02

Only if you're really nice, please.

SPEAKER_01

Only nice people. You can't have an Instagram carousel post, photo dump. That isn't allowed. Delete those before you DM. Delete those, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

What are your co-hosts' biggest strengths that you admire? There's a few. I feel like I love that you are always like you always show up. I have never felt like Jeanette won't show up for me in any way. Like you just, I always know you're gonna be there. I can literally tell you anything, can share anything with you. There's like complete comfort there. And I think that's great in a friendship, but it also makes an amazing co-host too. Like I just always trust that the other half of this business has their, you know, their shit together. You don't always have your shit together because that's impossible. Yeah, but but you know what I mean. Yeah, you can always carry it. I know you can always carry it.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, thank you. That's so sweet. Yeah, I would say the same about you. You're very caring towards other people, and I really love that. Very sweet and nice and empathetic, and inspires me to be more like that. Oh, thanks. And I also love how you're more creative because I lack well, I lack in that.

SPEAKER_03

I do lack in other memes for the merch.

SPEAKER_01

I know, but like I have to be like, it takes me a lot. Like you wouldn't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

You wouldn't know. Yeah. Um, okay. If this was episode 200, what would you hope has changed by then? In any area.

SPEAKER_01

My gosh, that would be like two more years because it's taken us two years to get to 100. Yeah. So in a couple years, wow. It's a long time. A lot can happen in two years. Yeah. I mean, from like just a like admin like perspective, I would love if like we had someone that could do like all the back end stuff so we can focus more on like interviewing and like doing fun stuff like this, because all that stuff like definitely takes up time and like we'll be two years into practice. So, like, I'm hoping like we're gonna be busy with our practice as well. So would hope that that's a thing. Um and then obviously just like growing, like continue to get like amazing guests on. It'd be cool if like we could do like some in-person things as well. But yeah, it wouldn't change that much. Like, I'm I'm really happy with like what we're doing, and you know, I agree. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03

Let's end with rapid fire. So this is like you literally just have to answer and move on.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Most likely at the same time, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Most likely to most likely to text an ex. Me. Most likely to get married first. Jeanette. Most likely to move countries, Jeanette.

SPEAKER_01

Me, for sure.

SPEAKER_03

For sure. Most likely to accidentally start drama. I feel like I could accidentally start drama. I feel like you're more accidental. I'm probably more intentional.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Most likely to survive prison.

SPEAKER_00

Me.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I'd be a mad in prison. No. That would be bad. Most likely to accidentally start a cult. Me. Yeah. For sure. Again, maybe intentional. I'm kidding. Accidental. It would be an accidental cult. Uh most likely to get plastic surgery. It's just a matter of time.

SPEAKER_01

It's just, it's happening. It's just a matter of time. Maybe in two years. Yeah. Episode 200.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Most likely to become famous. Both of us, obviously. The podcast. Most likely to disappear and live on a farm. You.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. I feel like we both could like, I feel like we both have the potential.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But like I'm closer to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

In my head, I'm like, oh, that'd be great. But I don't know that I ever like would. Yeah. Most likely to accidentally join a pyramid scheme. Why? I don't know. I just something tells me. Most likely to get banned from a Facebook group.

SPEAKER_01

Probably me.

SPEAKER_03

I would just accidentally say something that like would get me banned or something to say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, maybe. I feel like I could definitely be banned as well. Yeah. Probably both of us. Yeah. Most likely to send a four-paragraph text. Me. You a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01

Or text four, like one word, four text. Multiple paragraphs and multiple texts. And a couple voice notes. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's just what's happened.

SPEAKER_03

Most likely to have a public meltdown.

SPEAKER_02

Most likely to have a public meltdown at Pearson Airport. I don't know why that's fair. Why at Pearson Airport specifically? I mean valid, valid at Pearson.

SPEAKER_03

Um public meltdown. I don't know. If I get to a point, sometimes you just can't you can't control that. I just lose it. Not often. I don't know. I tend to not do that in public.

SPEAKER_01

I wouldn't do it in public. I when I get really mad, I just like don't respond. Like I just won't respond or say anything. I just get very quiet. So yeah. I wouldn't I don't get like angry and like loud when I'm really mad. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well. Till next time. Till next till 200. Till 200. Bye. Bye.

SPEAKER_01

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SPEAKER_03

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SPEAKER_01

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