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The Motherhood Mentor
Welcome to The Motherhood Mentor Podcast your go-to resource for moms seeking holistic healing and transformation. Hosted by mind-body somatic healing practitioner and holistic life coach Becca Dollard.
Join us as we explore the transformative power of somatic healing, offering practical tools and strategies to help you navigate overwhelm, burnout, and stress. Through insightful conversations, empowering stories, and expert guidance, you'll discover how to cultivate resilience, reclaim balance, and thrive in every aspect of your life while still feeling permission to be a human. Are you a woman who is building a business while raising babies who refuses to burnout? These are conversations and support for you.
We believe in the power of vulnerability, connection, and self-discovery, and our goal is to create a space where you feel seen, heard, and valued.
Whether you're juggling career, family, or personal growth, this podcast is your sanctuary for holistic healing and growth all while normalizing the ups and downs, the messy and the magic, and the wild ride of this season of motherhood.
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Becca is a mom of two, married for 14years to her husband Jay living in Colorado. She is a certified somatic healing practitioner and holistic life coach to high functioning moms. She works with women who are navigating raising babies, building businesses, and prioritizing their own wellbeing and healing. She understands the unique challenges of navigating being fully present in motherhood while also wanting to be wildly creative and ambitious in her work. The Motherhood Mentor serves and supports moms through 1:1 coaching, in person community, and weekend retreats.
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The Motherhood Mentor
Embodied Motherhood: Healing Through Somatic Practices with Bridget Covill
Today, I'm thrilled to join forces with the Bridget a feminine embodiment coach
In this heart-to-heart episode, Bridget and I delve into the deeply personal shifts from mindset coaching to the profound healing found in somatic practices. Bridget shares her remarkable journey from teen motherhood to a purposeful life steeped in sobriety and mentorship, illuminating the path for those seeking genuine fulfillment and a 'turned on' existence through tuning into their body's wisdom.
We open up about the cathartic anger release session that revolutionized motherhood, exploring the transformative impact of somatic awareness on deepening the bonds of marriage, friendship, and nurturing connections through vulnerability and clear communication.
Join us as we celebrate the power of relational connection and invite you to embrace your vulnerabilities, dive into 'clearing conversations,' and navigate the dance of expressing needs in alignment with your deepest desires. Let this dialogue be your call to honor your emotional landscapes, communicate with authenticity, and step into an empowered life marked by enriched connections and continuous growth.
Struggling with boundaries? Check out Bridget and I's talk on embodied boundaries
About Bridget:
My name is Bridget and I am a Feminine Embodiment Coach. I am the CEO of Find Her Wild Coaching where I help women connect deeply to her desires, purpose, and to the people in your life! I help women get out of their head and connect deeply to her body so she can feel turned on about life again!
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Podcast: “Wake up and Thrive”
Instagram: @findherwildcoaching
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Welcome to the Motherhood Mentor Podcast. I'm Becca, a holistic life coach, mom of two, wife and business owner. This is a podcast where we will have conversations and coaching around all things strategy and healing that supports both who you are and what you do. So grab your iced coffee or whatever weird health beverage you are currently into and let's do the damn thing. Welcome to today's episode of the Motherhood Mentor Podcast.
Speaker 1:Today I am joined by a really fun co-host. Today I have with me Bridget. She is a feminine and body coach and the CEO of Find Her Wild Coaching, where she helps women connect deeply to their desires, purpose and to the people in their life. Feminine and body coach and the CEO of find her wild coaching, where she helps women connect deeply to their desires, purpose and to the people in their life. She helps you get out of your head and connect deeply to your body so that you can be turned on about life again, which is just your bio is like, perfectly fits you, and those are all topics that just get me so excited. So thank you so much for being on the podcast today. Will you just introduce yourself a little bit and tell just tell us a little bit about your story what brought you to your coaching business and to doing this work?
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, first of all, thanks for having me on here. I have been wanting you to start a podcast for so long, so I'm so grateful that you intuitively did that on your own, because your teaching is just some of my favorites. So, yeah, really happy to be here, I guess. Okay, the loaded question what's your story? I feel like my story really started as a teen. I was a teen mom, so I got pregnant with my husband, with our oldest, when we were 18. And that was my first eye-opening experience into whoa like I just I had been on this journey my entire life of trying to feel good right, always being told like I'm too much energy, I need to calm down. So I found that in different avenues, and part of that ended up landing me as a teen mom.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that began my journey, and then, through being a young mom and just a mom with all the mental load, the only tool I had in my tool belt was drinking, and so, in 2019, I had made the decision my youngest child was three to really choose sobriety for my life, and that's what catapulted me into coaching. So I always like to say like drinking was the key to transforming my life, but coaching helped me unlock it and so I started, probably like most of us, with mindset coaching and immediately was like this is amazing, I need to teach everybody this. Everything's changing by shifting my mindset. So I became a coach and I started teaching women, not not just about drinking, because drinking was really my thing, but everyone has their thing to feel good. And that was what I really resonated with, like I resonated with the woman who was like I just want to feel good, my life looks good, things are good, my kids are healthy, but I don't feel good. And that was my journey.
Speaker 2:And so I went on this journey. I hired a coach, I became a coach and I worked on my mindset until I hit a wall and it specifically was related to sisterhood wounding and just I have like a really wild story on that, but just being faced, full face, like faced, I'm sorry head on with my sisterhood wound of three friendships that ruptured in sobriety. I couldn't escape it with alcohol. I couldn't escape it physically because they were my neighbors and just learned having to really face that head on. What I didn't realize until in the last few years was how much that wound impacted everything. It impacted me putting myself out there in my business. It impacted me, opening my heart and my marriage and like really being with someone that was choosing me. That just felt like so icky, so because I was so married to this wound of I'm not chosen.
Speaker 2:So anyways, I'm kind of going off on a bunch of different tangents. But it brought me to somatic coaching and embodiment coaching, because I remember telling my coach at this time I think I even said it like this, I think I was like she just kept saying change your thoughts about your friends, just change your thought about your business, change your thought about your husband. And I said, lady, if I could change my thought, I would. But I feel like it's attached to my bone and what I know now is it was attached. The issue was in my tissues, right, it was my nervous system, it was. So I found embodiment coach.
Speaker 2:I gave embodiment work, which specifically, is the same as somatic coaching. You know, in a way it's it's learning to work with your body, it's learning to trust the wisdom that's coming up in your body and not making it wrong and not having to necessarily dissect it, but just really honor it. And that is when everything has shifted, everything. My business started taking off my marriage is. I mean, we had every single statistic stacked against us, being a teen mom having alcoholism right, dealing with all the stuff we did, and today that is probably my most prized relationship and that's where I feel the most embodied in everything that I teach. And so that's where Find Her Wild was born, because it was like I don't want women to just work on an aspect, which is the mindset. I want them to have the full range of their experience, and I'm a living, breathing example of like your life can look the exact same and you can feel wildly turned on with these tools.
Speaker 1:I just have chills of like what you just said of your life on paper looking so good but it not feeling good. I mean that I so deeply resonate with that story because I remember finding that's really where I found coaching as well is I was in this place where it was like it looked good and I had the things I wanted and it wasn't like I didn't. I didn't want a different life, but it couldn't I. There was something in me that I was like this can't, why does it feel so bad? Why does it feel so hard? Why does it feel so ooky? And I didn't have any okie, I didn't have tools or comprehension of why it felt so bad.
Speaker 1:And you mentioned that the thought of like okay, it's like attached to my bones, and so often women we want information, bones and so often women we want information. We become consumers of like, logical information, because I think our culture is very mindset based. Even in the healing world, it's all been cognitive and what really what I witness in women and I'm curious of your experience is it's true, it's like. No, this isn't in your head. It's not in your head, it's in your bones, it's in your body, it's in your nervous system and it goes beyond knowing what to do and being able to have the capacity and the emotional regulation to do it. So I'm so curious, when you were in that season of those sisterhood wounds specifically. So I'm so curious, when you were in that season of those sisterhood wounds specifically, when you mentioned that, what was the experiential embodiment of that season and what was the shift that happened from that wounding what shifted in your bones?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, I actually I have a moment, which is incredible because I think so much of healing. There's not always a moment when it clicks. It's just like you know a six week coach or coach program or six months, and then you're like, yeah, I feel better, but I actually do have a moment, so I would love to share that. I will say, though, the embodiment of what it was like before I found somatic coaching it was. It was the hardest season of my life, and I'm talking harder than teen pregnancy, harder than alcoholism, cause I was two years sober into when this, when this all came up. This was the hardest season of my life and when I can sit back and actually tell you, it was like three adult women didn't want to be friends with me anymore. Like that's what was going on for me. It felt I mean I would wake up crying. I'm probably going to cry saying it, because I would wake up crying, I would go to bed crying, I would go out to my mailbox to get mail and I would see them all together and I would cry, and it was just like I was miserable. I was so miserable. My husband was like, is this ever going to get better. I'm like I don't know. I want to get over it. I really want to get over it. I journal, I write affirmations, I talk to people and it wasn't shifting. And so I actually I believe everything is divine timing.
Speaker 2:I was in a very I had started to kind of practice with body work and nervous system work and so again feeling a little bit of shifts here or there in my life. And this is just. I think this is how all coaches are. We find something, we love it, we're like I got to share it. So I joined this very intense program from Elementum Coaching and it was a deep dive into somatic work and it was amazing because every week I got to meet with other coaches and get coached, so be a client. And I specifically remember it was in July, so we're talking like two years of this where it's like can I just get over it? Why can't I just get over it? And I walked out to the mailbox to get mail and they were all sitting there laughing and someone had just gotten a dog and the details are irrelevant, but the fee. I remember the feeling at my heart, like burning heat all throughout my body. My heart was racing, my head, I feeling really dizzy, like literally feeling like I wanted to scream, but come inside and I turn on the and I think it's really important as I'm even sharing this experience.
Speaker 2:I didn't end up feeling better because of anything those women did. We actually did end up having one yeah, one conversation. Like I'm not friends with them today. We ended up did have, we did have one conversation. It was so not fruitful at all, but I was really proud of myself. What changed was this so I got on the coaching call and I said I can't even be coached. I don't even know what to talk. I feel like I don't even know what to say. I need to just scream. She said awesome, beautiful, push your desk away, stand up. I said what? This was my first like anger.
Speaker 2:I've done anger release, but I've usually done it by myself and that was for me, because what I wanted more than anything in the world was for those three women to hear my anger and to impact of what they had on me and what I experienced in that moment with my friend who was coaching me. I actually didn't need them to hear it, I just needed somebody to hear it. So, to answer your question of like what really shifted, it was in the middle of a trigger, which I know we can't always do in real time. I was able to fully, fully express release and be witnessed in how painful this was. I screamed so loud Rebecca, I can't even tell you we live in a small like suburban cul-de-sac. I know everyone heard me. I know those women heard me.
Speaker 2:I screamed so bloody loud and said what I wanted to say, like said the FUs, like really just let it fly, and then I started laughing. At the end I started laughing but like you asking me what changed. That was a really pivotal moment for me because I remember then going outside, not feeling as triggered, and I was like, oh, they're still not inviting me, they're still not making eye contact with me. Yeah, I'm going to be okay. And that was like first inclination. Sorry, I've just like my power.
Speaker 1:Yeah that there's. So. There's so much goodness in that and I just like, I want to dissect so many things in it and, like a beautiful way of like what I'm hearing is like, and I think what I would want other women to like notice in your story, because I think this is where so many women get trapped, whether it's sister wounds, whether it's in their relationships, whatever the relationship is, maybe it's with their family of origin, like in the podcast me and you talked about last time. They're not ever acknowledging, witnessing or alchemizing their emotion. And what I mean by alchemizing is like, instead of repressing or bypassing, because this emotion is so big and overwhelming. Like you had anger that was literally trying to move up and out, and you know you're probably I'm just going to assume you're not someone who's going to go across the street and actually scream at them because that's actually not like you. The old me would have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like there, there's this, there's this self-restraint that happens with women of I can't tap into that power, that anger, that resentment, that strong, intense emotion, because it's bad, because it's harmful, maybe it's towards your kids or your spouse, or there's friends, but that energy, when you allowed it to move up and out in a container with boundaries that were safe, with the intention of this is what I need Just feeling your feeling in your body, allowing it to move in you and through you, gave you capacity. It allowed you to, like, get unstuck from it. And I think this is a very common experience with women. Is they get so stuck in emotions because we're never fully giving them permission, we're never fully giving them space to metabolize through us, and so we start carrying it around all the time and it's deeply impacting us and yet we avoid it. Because it's so big and strong. Because it's so big and strong.
Speaker 1:So I'm so curious. Did the mindset and the story shift after the embodiment shifted? Because one of the things I've been playing with in my own life recently is noticing that I believe the mind is a part of the body, but there's also that cognitive intellect that feels very separate from my embodiment, and sometimes I'm now in a space where, when I'm healing from things, a lot of times it's embodied healing, but my cognitive mind will still be stuck in the old story. Does that make sense to you? So I'm so I'm just like personally curious, of like, did the story change?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, I don't know, but yeah, I do know, I do know, and and you know full transparency I don't live around them anymore, so it is very it has been incredibly an extra layer of healing to not be in the same environment, and that wasn't the reason we moved. It was just icing on the cake for me. What I will say, though, is I experienced a year and a half after that incident of still living in the house, so I can very honestly and transparently say it absolutely changed. They became I didn't love them, but they became neutral. But when I say neutral, I don't mean in my head, because I had been saying in my head for years that they're neutral.
Speaker 2:I'd been saying in my head, it's okay that they don't like me. I'd been saying in my head that they're good people, right Like, but I didn't believe it. So, yes, it's not that a new story surfaced. It was that my body actually was like this is the way I describe it. Maybe you describe it similar Until I worked through those emotions and I want to just like give you guys a visual that my screaming episode was like middle school anger coming up. I mean, it was years of hurt and pain. That was really not about those three women, they just were the gift that allowed it to right To to, to over, to come out.
Speaker 2:But I always say like my nerve, your nervous system, like it, nothing will stick to it if it's not open. And I wasn't open, I was totally shut down, Literally. If you saw me out in public, I was shut down. My shoulders were humped forward. I wasn't looking at them in the eye, I was called a biatch over and over and over again, when really I was in complete shame response and shut down, right, and nothing was sticking. So all of those thoughts, they weren't sticking to my nervous system, they weren't sticking in my body. So I didn't believe them. So, yeah, it changed. It also felt more true to me that they aren't that powerful over my experience. I'm powerful over my experience. They didn't do anything to me, Like I really started to believe they've been the biggest gift. How else was I going to heal this middle school wound? It took three women in my cul-de-sac during sobriety, Like talk about divine timing during a pandemic. Right Like you literally cannot escape these, these wounds, and I had to face it full on. So yes, to answer your question, my story. It felt more true afterwards and the constant rumination.
Speaker 2:You know this is an interesting piece about me. I haven't told anyone. I haven't journaled for an entire year and the reason is because I journaled relentlessly during that time. I have like three years worth of journaling and it was all the same shit over and over and over. I couldn't move on from the story and I don't think I related it till this conversation, Rebecca. But honestly, I think the reason I haven't journaled not because I don't I mean, I believe wholeheartedly in journaling but for me it was like I don't need to journal about that anymore, Like I now know the truth.
Speaker 2:I do know the truth. I think of them. I see them occasionally in town there's. It's not that I have love for them because I I'm still working on that, but I don't feel charged at all. There's no charge and there's no power of. I used to feel like I walked around with a Scarlet A on my head, Like everyone I would meet would know that I couldn't hold a friendship and that it was embarrassing. Right, it was filled with so much embarrassment and I don't have that anymore. I don't have those same stories that even they don't even surface. I don't have to change them, they're just not there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what you just spoke to.
Speaker 1:I think this is one of those areas where our culture has gotten it so wrong. And when I'm explaining somatics to people, I tell them I'm like somatics is nothing new. Yes, there's people who gave language and strategy to it and there's, you know, the there's people who are deepening this healing work of somatics. But this is just us returning to our full selves, whereas we've been in a culture that has cut off from the body, that has cut off from the intelligence and the wisdom of our animalistic nature, one like our general biology and the way that our biology impacts our mental, emotional health, like the two of them always coincide. But there's this like we've been cut off from the neck down and so we've just been walking around like these floating heads trying to like cure our mental health, completely forgetting that so much of the healing that we need is in the body. And that doesn't mean the mind isn't important, that doesn't mean the thoughts and the stories aren't important, but if we're only trying to solve problems logically, we're missing a whole entire, like 70% of us.
Speaker 1:80, you can't even say that whole 80% rule that they give you Like it's 80% of your experience is in your body, yeah, and I feel like we're walking around looking for stories and just telling the same stories over and over and over, because so much of the story it's not logical, it's emotional, yes, it's in our emotional intelligence and so we can't just dismiss our emotions or those middle school experiences, whether they were big T trauma or little T, like really hard trauma stuff. Those experiences are wired in us and to change those we have to acknowledge the wiring, not just like the cute sentences we give it.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah so tell me about your experience after that of learning to soften again, learning, learning to change and shift into this new embodiment and how you mentioned that like the sisterhood wound stuff was impacting your marriage. I'm so curious of like where those two kind of collided for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, thanks for letting me share this part of the story because I think it's really common and I think we have issues within our marriage and I'm talking about, you know, man and women being married. But we oftentimes think the struggle is probably from past relationships that I've had with men or my relationship with my dad. But honestly, mine stemmed from my relationship with my mom and the sisterhood wound, and for me I just I struggled from as long as I can remember with feeling a sense of belonging and feeling chosen and feeling accepted, right and started from my mom, and then it translated to girlfriends. And then here I am as a mid-30-year-old woman, sober talk about, unable to escape my wound. And so what that looked like is I would go literally on my front lawn, I would go in my mind, I would go in my journal and I would go in my front lawn and I would be reminded that I'm not chosen.
Speaker 2:I would go in my mind, I would go in my journal and I would go in my front lawn and I would be reminded that I'm not chosen. I would come inside and this man was choosing me left and right, smacking me on the butt like really wanted me Right, and I'm like like I would literally physically repel at his touch. And then I'm like in my head as a coach is this because of a past trauma? Like do I need to figure it? But what it was for me was that I had this belief. So this is why I love that. You said mindset work is good because it is important. The beliefs are in our body. Like the beliefs, they run everything. And I had this belief that I'm not chosen. So here he is choosing me and I was like what do you want? You must want something from me. And I didn't. So I and I didn't, so I would have like a negative experience with the women during the day. I'd be home with the kids we were all stay-at-home moms. He would come home choosing me and what that looked like is I was just like get away from me, I want hands off. And then I also would come at him with all the ways he wasn't enough and all the ways I wasn't choosing him. And so it was my first feminine embodiment coach that really said like I you know, I hear that this is really painful for you with the neighbors and I'm curious have you let him in? And that's like the overarching. Um, like the best advice I've ever been given in my marriage Let him in, let him in. I'm like he knows what's going on with the neighbors. Like you know, he thinks I'm being dramatic and she goes no, let him in. Like, let him see your pain, let him see the insecurities that are surfacing, let him see the wounding and I had never done that. That was really uncomfortable for me. I could tell him those ladies were terrible, but I couldn't like it'll even make me cry again saying it, but I couldn't say, babe, I just don't feel chosen in my own house, like I literally couldn't say that to him without crying. And when I did, he was amazing.
Speaker 2:First of all, like backed off, the like touchy, feely and really like asked me what it was that I needed in those moments. And he said, like just be honest with me. I knew something happened with the neighbors, but I didn't know for sure. I can't help but think it's something about me. And so we just we had this and it wasn't one conversation or one moment, but it was over time, me going wow, I'm actually getting what I need when I soften, when I let him see so if you think of, like a fruit, the outside of the fruit has to soften before you can open and enjoy the juiciness, right.
Speaker 2:So before I could even open up to him, I had to just soften, which required me to slow down and really understand my experience fully, which it was embodiment work, somatic work was so helpful with that because I recognized when I was getting triggered, I recognized where I was feeling when he was walking in the door and it just it gave me so much more insight into my experience instead of staying in my head. When I was in my head, he was the cause of my experience. Right, he was the one that was causing me to be irritated and frustrated when really it was like no, I was just experiencing a quite literally a broken heart and I didn't feel comfortable sharing that with him. So I don't I don't know if that answers the question, but that that was huge for us just softening and this happened in my family too If I had an issue with family and he would walk in instead of just being honest because I didn't have the awareness. So I had to first have the deep awareness of what was coming up for me and what the full experience was.
Speaker 2:So we're talking about you know, when you're just talking about the stories, you're talking about 20% of your experience. What's the full experience, what actually happens in your body when you go out to the mailbox? That's like the story I keep telling, but that's what it was for me. So, sharing that for him he got so much insight into. First of all, he dropped his story that I'm being dramatic and I need to get over it, because he really understood that this was not about those three women.
Speaker 2:This was like years of pain kind of coming up for me, and he also understood that he wasn't the bad guy anymore.
Speaker 2:So during that like, we developed this little I don't know what you call it between us, but like when he sees that I'm upset, my go-to is anger. I'm actually more comfortable in my anger than letting him see me cry and being soft. So he will come up and just give me a hug and just say like I'm not the bad guy and he'll walk away. And that's like my cue and my reminder to like stop coming at him with my words and my anger and spewing venom and like come back into my heart and the truth of like I'm lonely or I'm just sad today or I'm just hurt, right Like owning that and that that's been like one way that we've been able to really shift that. But but yeah, that that's how it showed up in my marriage is like I didn't trust the being chosen because or being chosen, it felt unsafe to me. It felt subconsciously not consciously Obviously I wanted to be chosen my whole life, but it felt I like your word, irky it just felt irky.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and I think it's so fascinating because there's a lot of times these two approaches you know we're talking about like the somatic, embodiment based approach, but also mentioning like the mindset coaching aspect and I think what's so powerful is when you don't have both parts of you online, you don't have the information, and when you don't have the information you go into at least what I've seen in women. They go into this like hyper surveillance of themselves and their partners and the people in their lives and they're looking out for trauma and they're like excavating and digging. It's like they take a shovel and they're like digging up all of the shit and it's like sometimes it's helpful, but most of the time it's like okay, what's actually happening right now, what's present in your body and in your relationships, and learning how to feel that and notice it at a cognitive level, of like okay, what's he actually doing? Saying and then what's the impact? How is it making me feel? Because a lot of times there is that iceberg, but you don't have to go digging and excavating for it of like why is this happening? You know you're lost in a forest and you're like trying to like navigate your way through and you're like you're, you're trying to create all these things in a relationship and like a genie pops up and it's like okay, you have one question. Are you going to ask the genie why am I in the forest? How did I get in here? No, you're going to say how do I get out? And I feel like what you're describing is like instead of going to this like journaling of like what's the story? And these women, you went straight to the source of like how do I get out? Here's where I am, I'm in the forest, I'm here, here, I am. Here I am. Here's this grief, here's this anger, whatever it is, and instead of trying to repress it or hide it, you went into sharing it and allowing it and giving it presence and allowing it to move up and out of you. And even just I love I love the relational dynamics that are coming up here and I want to dig into that so bad of.
Speaker 1:I work with a lot of high functioning women and I include myself in that of. I am so good at not knowing what I'm feeling, at not knowing what I'm needing, and I'm really good at trying to like externalize it or logic it, like it. If it, if it doesn't make sense, logically, why I feel so big. I tend to dismiss it, I tend tend to dim it down, and the problem with that is that then I'm repressing myself for my fullness and my husband and the people who love me never get to love me and I end up creating a self-fulfilling prophecy because they have no idea how hard I'm struggling.
Speaker 1:Because it's like have you ever heard the analogy of like a duck, like your feet are moving so fast under the water, but like on top it all looks so good. I like there's so many women who like it looks so good even to the people close to them, because they're so good at coaching themselves, they're so good at healing themselves. But the reality is that we need other people. Yes, we need their affirmation, we need their validation, we need their comfort, their presence, and we're not only diminishing our own needs, but we're cutting them off from being able to love us. Like we're literally saying you're going to always fail supporting me, because I'm never telling you how I need support and where I need it and what I'm feeling, because it's too messy, it's too much, it's too vulnerable, it's too soft and vulnerability when we're saying it for other people looks really good, but when we're feeling it it does not feel pretty, it feels very uncomfy.
Speaker 2:And can I say something? Just what you, I think. I think what you just said was like a mic drop moment of like we are actually not. I didn't that that. That was my experience with my husband. I had all these stories about him. He's not emotional, he doesn't go deep, he doesn't know how to love me in the way that man has stepped up in ways that I don't think he I think it even surprised him, and it started it didn't start with me coming to him saying hey, so in my coaching I figured out that this is my childhood wound and it's all coming up and right. None of that. I didn't have that awareness.
Speaker 2:The actual conversation was exactly what you said it was. I was in the forest and I said, babe, I don't know how to get out of it, like I don't know what to do, but I can. What I, what I also did, was I finally for the first time said but it's not you, this is not about you, and when I come at you, that's my call for help, that's my call, for I just need to be loved. Are you willing to do that? Like that was a big thing for him. I didn't tell him what he needed to do or to just need you to like, ignore my nasty words. But I said to him this is literally what's going on and I remember having that conversation with him, which might be helpful for your listeners too. I actually don't teach people to say what you feel, cause I think that gets us back in the head. I don't want to go, I'm anxious, I'm angry. I'll be completely honest, I was all of them mixed up in, like you know.
Speaker 2:Like I said, this was from middle school, so this was like a big ball of energy all throughout my body. I didn't know what it was. Yeah, that's what I said. I just said to him sensationally. I said, paul, I just like I feel heat in my, in my chest. This is before I even had somatics language. I feel heat in my chest and it's running throughout my body, it's buzzing. It doesn't stop until those women go out of town or go to sleep, right. Like I had no control, I had no power, but me just even explaining that to him gave him the insight into that.
Speaker 2:My experience was intense. I didn't even have to tell him that. I just described physically what was going on and that was so non-threatening to him, like I wasn't making him wrong or bad. I also wasn't making him trying to fix it. I was just saying like this is what comes up for me. And here I am supposed to have a good feet, a smiling face on for the kids, I'm supposed to be a happy wife.
Speaker 2:When you walk in and all I feel like doing is going into this deep dark hole and getting rid of this like heat that's running through my body. He's like that makes a lot of sense. I'm like, yeah, so that's what's going on with me. How are you? And he and that's when he was like what do you need? I said I don't know. I don't know what I need. And he's like he'd give me a hug. It's my cue to sort of literally soften my body, like you said, stop being on guard and hypervigilance, and just like let him hold me. And sometimes I would cry, sometimes I would say I don't, I don't know today's a little better.
Speaker 2:And it just yeah, just over time he felt I think he felt really amazing that he was able to provide support without fixing anything, you know, which was really big for us. And I felt I didn't realize how, when my heart was hurting out in the world and this even happened, like in my business, if I would put something out there and no one would sign up, I was such a Royal B to him the next day and I never connected the two. But I do now. I really see everything touches everything and I couldn't show up in a relationship that was choosing me, loving me, accepting, and I couldn't show up in a relationship that was choosing me, loving me, accepting me, when I didn't actually feel that way in other parts of my life, you know. So I don't know, that was like a big, yeah, just like moment for us as a married couple. But I think just me in general because, yeah, I used to always think I was vulnerable, but I wasn't vulnerable, I was just good at calling people out.
Speaker 1:The way I share it now is like vulnerability is actually calling people in to us are often the people we want to have that and yet we're scared because of their response, because in the past we've had people who have responded poorly, and so there's that Some people have the cognitive story, but what I find more often is that women have this like squish. There's this feeling of playing Tetris, of I want this thing, but I'm not actually showing up in action to the way that I want it. So even when we look at relational patterns, of I want this person to be here for me and to support me and I want them to hold me instead of trying to fix it. And it's like well, have you told them that? Because everybody has very different conflict styles, we have different communication styles. Our bodies move differently.
Speaker 1:When, when we're upset right, Like this is where I love Enneagram and even just understanding the like, you know a lot of people understand it cognitively as like the fight, fight, freeze, fun.
Speaker 1:But I even think of it as like, when your body feels anything, it has a tendency to move, move forward and towards something, move back and away from something. Move towards something with like a fist is very different than like moving towards it with a hug Right or like shutting down, Like there's a way that your body and your emotions move and understanding and relationship and having conversations about like hey, this is the way that my body is moving right now. Where can we meet together and bringing that into a open, vulnerable space. Oh, I don't expect you to just know how to do this. I don't expect me to just know how to do this. Coming into a more feminine opening, opening these things as a relational style, versus like we should already know this. Yes, we should already have this down. He should just know what I want and need. It's like well, he doesn't right, he wants to.
Speaker 2:No, and I love your question. Well, have you actually told him that? That's always my thing to my clients and the answer is always no. The answer is always like well, he should, isn't it obvious? I'm like no, not obvious.
Speaker 2:And the one thing when you said the word open, the part that I had to get really good at, and of course we talked about this on on my podcast with you not everybody gets full access to your heart, but for the people that do have access and you want that intimacy, it's really important to be open. It's really even more important to be open in the moment. That is such a feminine quality that if more women could start to embody that, it would save years of resentment. And I mean so much of my childhood wounds was because I didn't speak up when it, when it happened, I didn't say owie, like that, like as a little kid, like ouch, that hurt. I didn't say that, I just said those girls are mean. And then, as an adult, same thing. I didn't actually come to them and say what was coming up for me in my body. I just said you're a terrible friend. And so then I was the terrible friend, same in my marriage. Like, how many times does he go, what's wrong? And I'm like I'm fine. He's like you're definitely not fine. I'm like, no, I'm really fine, right, and I'm not fine.
Speaker 2:So learning to be open yes, learning to be open in, in the moment, that is like next level skill set, but it is so refreshing, it's so juicy. I mean I can't tell you how many times I'm so upset with him and I'm bringing it up in the moment. And then a date is salvaged Like our whole. You know, usually it would like ruin our entire date or an entire weekend, but it's completely salvaged because I brought up hey, when you just said that that didn't land well, and he immediately gets to reassure me or or give me more context for what he meant or, you know, actually openly admit yeah, that was kind of harsh, I'm sorry I said that. And then we move on. It's like it doesn't actually have to be this big, huge thing, but we've got to get really good at A, noticing what's coming up and then, b, right, owning it. But being able to share it like in the moment is so, so powerful.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think what you just shared too. You know, a lot of times we look at people pleasing and I would consider, like people pleasing of someone hurts you and you don't say, ow, like it's, it's not this, oh, I need to be nice, it's. You're repressing your experience and the way that you are being impacted. But oftentimes that comes after a freeze, that comes after someone does something and there is no response. We don't feel a vocal or an emotional or physical response until later, because a lot of women have learned to freeze and fawn so much in relationship and it's not a logical thing. It's not you in your head saying, well, I want to be a nice person, well, I want to be kind and loving, and amazing. It's this Tetris that our bodies are playing of. Am I allowed to say that this hurt me? Am I safe to say that I didn't like that? If I say that I didn't like that, will you even have a response that is appropriate and healthy? And we learn this kind of like shape-shifting and this squish of our bodies and it's not just logical in our heads, it's emotional in our bodies of, okay, feeling what you feel sensationally, even if a needle pricked you.
Speaker 1:I felt that Connecting to the sensation in the moment is such a powerful way to reconnect to all of us, if we're talking about getting out of our heads and getting into our bodies and reconnecting to expression, which I consider. Embodiment and expression are very feminine, and not in that men don't have them, it's energies that all people have that our culture has so disconnected from. Something hurts me. I say ouch. Someone says something mean, I'm allowed to be hurt and still okay and not like. This doesn't have to be triage every time, but I think it builds up to that because we're ignoring it moment to moment to moment, because we've disassociated from our bodies, we've disassociated from our sensations, and what you just shared is so simply getting back in touch with what we're experiencing, both with pain but also pleasure, and then letting other people know, letting other people into. The only way they know what you're experiencing is if you tell them, is if you show it, not just with your words but with your embodiment.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, yes, on so many like different, different things you said there. This is why I'm so happy you have a podcast, because you're teaching. It's so it's so intuitive, rebecca, but it's it's so true. I mean, everything you're saying is you're picking up my experience and you're giving it language to it. And you said something else, like there's a lot of talk about.
Speaker 2:You know, trauma isn't what happened. It's the way our body perceived it, right, or it's the way our body recorded it, and that's part of it. The other part of trauma maybe you're familiar with this, but I don't see it talked a lot about and David Bedrick is one of my favorite teachers on that Same. So the reason trauma happens I could have gotten left out as a little kid and, yes, it might not have actually happened, but it's the way my body recorded it. But the other thing was that I didn't have a mom right At that time. I loved my mom to dearly, but I wasn't open with her, so she didn't know. She didn't know how to best support me. I also didn't have a good friend at the time to share my owies or my ouches. There was no unshaming witness. That's the other thing that causes trauma that people don't understand Like. That's why my example of screaming in front of a neutral party was actually more helpful than if I screamed in front of those ladies because they just would have shamed me even more. It was about finding an unshaming and neutral witness. That is so important that, if you think of all of the traumatic stuff that has ever happened to you in your life, almost always almost probably a hundred percent of the time there wasn't somebody there to come in and just say I see your pain, I see your experience. It's real and I love you and I'm here to support you. That was the missing piece. That's what lands the trauma in your body. So when you're talking about being open with people like it could be as very simple as what you just said Like we touch a hot stove and we go ouch. So when someone says words, why aren't we putting our hand where we feel the hurt and go out? That's all you have to say Like be a little creative with it.
Speaker 2:I've done this to my husband multiple times, where he'll say something and I could feel shame come up and I would normally go like why did you say that? Or that wasn't very kind of you, or ew, that was rude. And now I just put my hand on my heart and I'm like, ooh, that didn't land well and that's all I say. I'm taking ownership of the experience. I'm noticing what's coming up in my body. I'm not even labeling it shame. But then he gets to be the unshaming witness and say like I'm sorry, babe, like that's, that was not my intention, right, like, and it's, it has saved.
Speaker 2:I love how you describe like there's so much fear from women of sharing it because of what might happen. But I have never been disappointed, never. They don't always respond the way I want them to, but I never walked away from sharing openly and then, like I shouldn't have shared that Well, I didn't say never, I should say in my adult life, with the skills and the communication right, because we can communicate it in, in, in wrong, in ways that put people on the defense, and then we sort of create our own self fulfilling prophecy of like people don't understand. But, um, you know, to that point, if people feel misunderstood, I would ask like are you actually explaining your experience or are you trying to explain their experience?
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, and in explaining not justifying, not logically, but just sharing what you're feeling and your experience of it. And to piggyback on what you said, David Bedrick's also like I have learned so much from him around shame and the shaming witness and if we think of so many of our woundings they're relational, have so many of our woundings they're relational and so many of us were doing solo healing work and our bodies and our brains are never experiencing another person coming in and witnessing, coming in and validating, coming in and giving language. I mean it's like we go to the doctor and your hands are tied behind your back and your mouth is taped shut and your hip hurts. How do you tell the doctor if you don't have language, if you don't have a way to say my hip hurts and it's not like a low dull aching of my muscle, it's like a sharp stabbing pain in my hip. If you can't tell the doctor that, how do you get help, how do you get support?
Speaker 1:And so many of us we're living lives emotionally like our hands are tied behind our backs, like there's duct tape on our mouths because we haven't learned the language of experience. We haven't learned the language and wisdom of our bodies of what emotions feel like and then being able to express that and being able to build relationships where other people witness that. Because if most of our wounds are relational, I believe most of our healing is also going to be relational. If trauma is happening from other people, it's also going to be healed with other people, whether that's conversations or you know, I'm a big fan of podcasts and things like that because you're giving your body and your mind an experience that witnesses you in a different way, that witnesses your life in a different way that maybe you haven't experienced before. And even coming back to those women and that experience of feeling lonely how beautiful to have an experience where someone else held that with you and for you, because it gave you capacity in your own body to witness it. And just noticing our healthy, adult selves in relationships and noticing like, ooh, that's a younger part of me showing up. How do we become that unshaming witness of like? This is not just happening to me. I'm witnessing. Let me think of how to say this. So many people are walking through lives with all of their energy outward. Here's what I'm doing. Here's what I'm saying. Here's how husband is acting. Here's how these friends are treating me. Here's the list that's going on in my business. Here's how motherhood is happening.
Speaker 1:And we've completely dissociated from all of the energy that's moving inside of us. And so when we go to do things externally, we're disconnected from what's driving it and we're disconnected from ourselves. We're disconnected from our bodies and souls, and so when we start reconnecting with those parts of us, our behavior changes, because we're no longer just outward or inward, Because I also am someone who's like yeah, we also need to be paying attention to the environment, Right, Like, right, yeah, Just be sitting there journaling about husband and never actually showing up to what's happening in the environment. Like you are a body that's in relationship to other bodies and is being impacted by other people, and so noticing that energy, of energy going out, energy coming in, and how those two play together. And I'm so curious where you go with that of like, when you have a soft heart, when you're being vulnerable, what is, what is the like energy movement of that? I guess is I don't know if that question makes sense, but that's just where my curiosity is going.
Speaker 2:What is the energy movement of being vulnerable Like? What is the experience like?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, what is it like? What is the experience when it's with another person?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it's interesting because I had something called a clearing conversation with those women. I went over and this was before I had any language of like, somatically what was coming up and that whole conversation was stories I just focused on. These are the stories that you know I was telling myself and I know they're not true and I'm really sorry. This is how I showed up and it was like it even felt as yucky as I'm even sharing it now Like it just felt I love I'm just going to coin your term irky. It just felt irky and it wasn't received well.
Speaker 2:They also didn't have the tools and the language to receive my vulnerability and I think about explaining, like my experience, like the hot, steaming energy going through my body and my heart racing and it feeling so heavy, like that's kind of like the language I use when I talk to my husband when I come from that place it felt like a weight lifted off of me, Like it was, like you know, with those women I only shared part of my experience, so it was like I was still holding onto the weight and I left feeling very heavy. And again, that was for multiple reasons, but when I'm really vulnerable in the moment, I've done this with my mom recently. You and I had an experience recently on this with my husband. When I'm sharing in the moment what's alive for me, including my stories, but also including what I'm noticing yeah, it's like a, it's like a weight just completely lifts. I'm actually not even like the conversation could end. I'm not even really like needing them to say anything in order for me to feel that weight lifted. It's just, it's the sharing, it's the honesty, it's the. I mean find her wild. Like the whole point of the business was I want women to start shifting or stripping away everything, and anyone that told them no, your experience is not valid, Because that's what I was told my whole life and I freaking thought I was crazy my entire life up until the last two years, Like I'm actually not crazy. This energy is a gift, and so it's the weight, it's the weight coming off, and then I just get to go. Huh, this is me. I felt like me again and I didn't have to hide.
Speaker 2:I'm very much into cycle thinking and I send my husband a calendar invite every time I have my period. He's like, oh joy, but it's important. I'm just so much more open about this is where I'm at physically. This is where I'm at cyclically. This is where I'm at emotionally, spiritually. This is where I'm at cyclically, cyclically. This is where I'm at emotionally, spiritually, Like this is what I'm at. I'm inviting you in if you want, if you don't have the capacity or can't be here with me, like that's fine, I just that's the weight that lifts when I'm like this is, you know the? You know this, the feeling when someone's like, hey, how are you? And you're having, literally you just got the worst news of your life and you're like I'm fine, and then you walk, or the way I describe it as like when you're.
Speaker 2:When I was a second grader and your teacher said, does anyone have anything to say? I was always like this, with my hand up, Like I had so much that wanted to come out. You know that feeling, that like urgent, brand energy that just wants to be expressed. Is that answering your question? That's what it feels like. It feels like I'm getting called on. Is that answering your question? That's what vulnerability feels like. It feels like I'm getting called on, it feels like I get to be seen and it just it feels so good. I, I, yeah, I mean I definitely have like vulnerability hangovers, but it feels really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, and it sounds like that the movement of it, too, allows you to receive, allows you to receive, and I think you know I'm not sure I phrased my question in a way that made sense outside my brain. Does that ever happen? You have, you have these, you have these thoughts that seem so cohesive, and then they come out of your mouth and you're like, no, I'm like something was lost in translation. That, unfortunately happens to me a lot with my brain, where, like, it makes so in translation. That unfortunately happens to me a lot with my brain, where, like, it makes so much sense. And then I hear the words come out of my mouth and I'm like did that even?
Speaker 2:it's your wisdom. There's so much wisdom up there. No, I probably didn't understand it.
Speaker 1:So I feel like you totally answered it, but I think I think I was just wanting to like, really bring down that, like, what is it to be a unshaming witness to yourself, like if someone's not familiar with that work of, what does it look like to hold? I think the word instead of movement, energy was more positioning. How do we so? There we go, there's the word I was looking for. How do we position ourselves with our emotions, with our experience, in a way that breeds health?
Speaker 1:Because I think a lot of women, when we come into healing work, we actually just learn how to high function better. We actually just learn how to repress and distract and dissociate and we're talking like, instead of doing that, let's go into emotion, let's go into experience, which I'm a big advocate for, like coaching and therapy, because it gives you a container, it gives you a healthy space for that. But if I'm wondering, like someone listening to this, when they hear this, like vulnerability, when they hear all this, how do they position themselves to their vulnerability, to their emotions, let's say, in the moment they don't feel like they can express?
Speaker 2:In the moment?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what would your response to that be Like? If they, they're feeling their body, they're feeling this emotion, but they don't, they don't feel like in that moment they can express, or like they're not even, they're not even having that process happening until later.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, yeah, so I can offer two things that might be helpful, but the one one thing just going back real quick, and then this will tie into my answer. You said like trauma happens in relationships, so healing really gets to be taken, gets to take place in relationships, and I love that you said that because there's such a. I think the same thing goes with shame. So much of our wounding it occurred in shame and I can't remember where this quote comes from. But you can't heal energy in the same energy. It was created. Yes, meaning you can't heal shame with shame. Yeah, you can't like outrun it Correct, and you can't heal shame with shame. Yeah, you can't like outrun it Correct, and you can't literally shaming your, you, you, yeah, exactly, I mean that's the like easy answer of like we do end up becoming the shaming witness for our experience. That's what I experienced with these women. I told myself all the time you're 34 years old, like, get over it, it's okay that you're not invited everywhere, right? That's shaming, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame. And so I guess what I would say.
Speaker 2:I have a very simple process that I teach people. It's the three A's, because I love alliteration. When an emotion comes up, right, allow it, become aware of it, get to know it. You want to become non-shaming? Get to know it, because you can't. It's really easy to shame something you don't understand Really easy. So get to know it. How would I know you were sad if I was you for a day? What would I be noticing in my body? Right, so allow it, accepting it. That goes along with, like if your friend came to you and said she was feeling left out, how would you respond to her? If your daughter came to you and said she's experiencing girl drama, would you respond to her? If your daughter came to you and said she's experiencing girl drama, would you tell her to get over it? No, I would sit with her. Right, so allow it, accept it.
Speaker 2:And then the last thing is ask and this, this goes both ways. This goes first, ask internal, like what is it that I need? Do I need a moment to just like step away Cause I'm about to cry and I'm not in a space where I want to cry in public? Right, but it's also asking your body what is it that you need? Like. This is where I found the shaking that we teach in somatic coaching, that I had no idea that was a thing. But when I actually just paid attention to what my body needed, when I was feeling all that energy, it just needed to shake. So when you, if you ask your body what it needs, it will tell you right. That time, when I was with my coach friend, I needed to scream, so I would allow it.
Speaker 2:Start to really tune into. How would I describe this for someone? Sensationally, where am I feeling it in my body? What does it look like? Can you give it a shape? Yeah, can you just full out, describe it? Then can you sit with it and accept it, then ask and part of asking is asking the people in the room like I need space, I need to step out, I'm feeling, I'm feeling unwell, I'm feeling uneasy, like there's ways to say this without drawing a lot of attention.
Speaker 2:But I think the last thing is that, like if you notice something coming up and you really can't address it in the moment, make a date with it. Make a date, finish your work meeting, finish the business call and then make a date with it. For me that's usually in the car, when I'm by myself, and I am not someone who can access emotions very easily, believe it or not. So I use music a lot of the times. I'll be like I was really sad earlier and I said I'd make a date with this. So I'll put on a sad song and I'll think back to that experience and I'll do what I just did. I'll allow whatever's coming up, I'll accept whatever's coming up. I'll ask what my body needs and I'll cry, I'll scream, I'll rock, I'll sway, and to me that's just been like a daily, like I set an alarm on my phone every day at three o'clock.
Speaker 1:How are you?
Speaker 2:feeling, just as this constant reminder. So I think I answered. This is where I'm bad you ask a question and then I sort of go off. But I think I think, yeah, you, you can't always be open and vulnerable, but I don't know. Now that I'm saying it out loud, I can't wait.
Speaker 1:I think it's a practice. Yeah, I think it's. You know, I think of it like a hygiene. You brush your teeth every day, morning and night, and I guess for most of us brushing our teeth probably isn't a hygiene. That's hard to do, but at one point, walking was hard for you At one point. Talking was hard for you At one point. Reading was hard for you At one point.
Speaker 1:Driving a car took so much focus and intention and like, how hard do I push the gas and how hard do I push a brake? The same thing is true with our emotional health, with our relational health. We can learn to create new patterns, new ways of relating we talked a lot about relationships today, new ways of relating to other people, which comes from new ways of relating to ourselves, which at first feels a little wonky. It feels a little hard of like when you're first driving a car and you're always braking way too fast or you're accelerating too fast, like it takes some time to get the hang of it. And then, once you do, it does, it does become easier, even when it's hard. So like even when you're navigating a more complex emotion or there's lots of motions, you have, you have nailed down the way to relate to yourself, the way to do the gas, the way to do the brakes, this way to turn the wheel, the way to relate to yourself, the way to do the gas, the way to do the brakes, this way to turn the wheel. And so I think, in that way, with with practice, not to like, oh, you ever get perfect at it, like you always have to still be driving the car, like it doesn't just auto happen.
Speaker 1:That same is true with our emotional health, with our vulnerability, with conversations, with being open and honest with people. And so, man, there was just so much goodness in this conversation. I absolutely loved it. Where can people find you? Where is the best place to interact with you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you. I love this conversation too. I have a podcast as well, called Wake Up and Thrive. That's on Spotify and Apple podcasting, and then my backend business is sort of transitioning, but I host two ways you can work with me. Right now I host virtual monthly breathwork classes, which I've done for Becca. It's yeah, it's an incredible modality to just get out of your mind and get into your body and then receive the wisdom from that place when you're really present, which is so hard for people to do, and that's it's only $27 to join every month. It's all virtual and then I will. I will have a group membership program opening soon so they can go check me out on Instagram and find my stuff there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I love it. Are there any there? Yeah, yeah, I love it. Are there any? Are there any? Like last final thoughts, or like something that doesn't feel complete of, like a question or like something that goes along with what we were talking about. That just feels good for you to close.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for saying that. I think it's just what you said at the end. I just want to really reinforce it, that it just what you said at the end. I just want to really reinforce it that it is a practice. But a practice requires action to actively be practicing, and so you can work on vulnerability at a restaurant, when somebody brings you the wrong drink, that's just not tasting well. Practice.
Speaker 2:Practice saying, ah, this isn't tasting well for some reason. Could I switch my order Right? Or, oh, I want this cooked a little more, but in really non-threatening ways. Start to make that your new identity, that I'm in I love your word sovereignty Like I'm in sovereign control over my experience. So I have to be able to communicate that to everyone around me, whether they're super close to me or it's the waiter. And and and start in a non-threatening way, start small, and and do it every day. Every day, you're teaching people how to love you and treat you and serve you, quite literally. So, yeah, that's what I would say is just practice. All have grace with yourself, and I mean this work will transform everything.
Speaker 1:So I love that, and even just tying that back to where we started, you're teaching the people around you how you want to receive and how you want to be held and loved, and if you're not opening up what you're experiencing, they won't know.
Speaker 1:They won't know how to support you or care for you. And I've really found with women we're often really good at giving and helping others and giving and doing and not always at receiving, at letting other people come in and help us, support us, and what a beautiful gift we give our relationships when we teach them our humanity and our messiness. Alongside the like I've got it all together, even when both are true, even when you do have it all together and you are okay and also you feel like you're falling apart today, yeah, Well, and and last thing otherwise I'm going to regret not saying this is one of the most vulnerable things you can do quite early, right Like by the posture of receiving.
Speaker 2:You are exposed with your hands out, and so it goes hand in hand. People that struggle to receive struggle to be vulnerable, and so, yeah, I love. I love that it's this endless gift we are giving to the giver when we receive, and it's just this. It's the same thing with vulnerability. I experienced it with my husband. I gifted him something he can't, he couldn't even put into words, but by me sharing my heart with him.
Speaker 1:So, good. Awesome. Thank you so much for being here and we'll talk later. Thanks for hanging out today on the Motherhood Mentor Podcast. If you loved today's episode, share it with a friend or tag me in your stories on Instagram so that we can connect. Take up audacious space in your life and I'll see you next time.
